The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Potential CFB Upset Picks and Brian Kelly to LSU With Booger McFarland, Plus Former NBA Star Turned Boxer Deron Williams

Episode Date: December 3, 2021

Russillo is joined by ESPN’s Booger McFarland to discuss Brian Kelly's move to LSU and make some picks for CFB championship weekend (0:59). Then Ryen talks with three-time NBA All-Star Deron Williams about his upcoming fight vs. Frank Gore as well as his time with the Jazz and the Nets (24:57). Finally Ryen, Ceruti, and Kyle briefly discuss HBO’s ‘Succession,' before answering some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (40:52). Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Booger McFarland and Deron Williams Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and Darren Williams, all-star NBA point guard. He's fighting Frank Gore, and we're going to talk about it. And life advice, a little succession. Friend of the program, Booger McFarlane, ESPN, college football, and NFL coverage, and proud LSU alum. So, Brian Kelly, to Baton Rouge, your thoughts. I like it. I think that, you know, anytime you hire a new coach on any level,

you always – or you tend to go opposite of what you had. And although Coach O won a national championship, just like Les Miles, just like Nick Saban, Coach O was – he was a little loose. I think that's the best way to describe it. national championship, just like Les Miles, like Nick Saban. Coach O, he was a little loose. I think that's the best way to describe it. More of a CEO type. He was a Bayou boy through and through. So everyone talks about fit. There's no better fit than Coach O in Baton Rouge. Obviously, it was a disaster after the national championship. And I think he will tell you he did a lot of

things wrong. So fast forward to the new hire. The new hire was always going to be a ball coach, a guy who was actually hands-on, that could coach a particular side of the football, that could actually do some XO. So if something went wrong on the field, he wasn't leaning on coordinators. He was leaning on his expertise in certain areas. So Brian Kelly fits that.

You know as well as I know, in order to win an SEC, you got to win up front. Brian Kelly traditionally at Notre Dame has had some of the best offensive lines in the country. Just look at the talent that they put in the pros. That's number one. Number two, look at how they run the football. Okay, they run the football at a violent level at Notre Dame. I think overall, when you look at the way he's run his program, he's run his program.

It's been tight. It's been buttoned up. And they win. And so everything that i listed for bk was the opposite of what o was on a scale of one to ten i'll summarize by saying this i think it's an eight and a half uh eight and a half nine out of ten uh me personally uh i was partial to mel tucker just because i wanted historic i wanted different i wanted to go defense uh for a lot of different, but I couldn't be happier once

Mel signed his new deal to pivot and move on to BK. I'm ecstatic. Yeah. I mean, it felt like, and you would know better than I am, depending on who you talk to, but it felt like Mel was the number one choice. And it felt like, oh, hey, look, Mel's going to end up coming here. There's some ties. It's LSU. It's a better job than Michigan State. But once you saw the numbers on what his deal was, you went, oh, okay, wait a minute. All right, so now I don't know the chain of events or the timeline, but do you have more

insight on that and how it all kind of played out where there were targets and then it was Brian Kelly? Well, everyone speculated that the target was Jimbo because of Scott Woodward's relationship with Jimbo. He hired him at A&M. He gave him a deal, the deal that had no buyout, et cetera, et cetera. So everybody connected those dots.

They are friends. I don't know to what extent he talked to Jimbo. I'm sure he did at some point. I knew that early on in the process, the candidates that were out there, Jimbo, Mel, James, LSU would be a fool if they didn't do their due diligence. Now, once it got down to about a week left in the regular season and Mel had his new deal, James had his new deal. I think at that point, LSU zeroed in on their target, which was Brian Kelly. Now, the Jimbo thing kept going on and on because everybody was like, OK, this makes too much sense.

It's just too easy because Scott negotiated the deal that had no buyout. So seemingly they planned this a long time ago. Usually when things are too obvious, sometimes they're just too obvious. I never thought that Jimbo Fisher would leave the Texas money. People out at A&M, even though Jimbo hadn't won a thing at A&M,

they love Jimbo. And I get it. Jimbo's a guy, but he hasn't won a crap. He hasn't won anything. He gets all this talent in the world at Texas A&M, but they still finish four and four, five and three in the conference every year. So Jimbo's going to do well. They are better on the offensive and defensive line. But I do think late Saturday night,

there were rumblings of Lincoln Riley wanting to leave. And again, I think LSU had to do their due diligence late Saturday night. And by rumblings, I mean Trace Armstrong. I think you know how this business works. The agent talks. The coach picks up the phone. Here's what we got. What do you like?

What do you don't like? And they make a decision from there. Once Lincoln made his decision to go to USC, not that LSU was considering Lincoln. I just think it fast-tracked LSU. Okay, we got our guy. Let's stop looking around and let's move forward. And everybody out there just couldn't put their arms around who was it because you knew that Scott Woodward was going big game fishing.

Like he wasn't going to get, hey, let's go get Joe Brady and see if he can get it done. Like that was never going to be the case. Billy Napier wanted the job. Everybody knows Billy Napier wanted the job. But Billy Napier, nothing of his own doing, uh billy napier wanted the job everybody knows billy napier wanted the job but billy napier nothing of his own doing just wasn't big enough for the ad at lsu and that's just his history napier goes to florida i think he'll do great things there uh he's a culture builder etc etc

and so i think saturday night sunday morning was when this thing really came to um came to a head i would only push back on the a&m thing a little bit that last year they were a really good football team and they had a great SEC right. And they were in the mix, Booger. And I think I'm probably considered soft. But what do they have to show for it though, Ryan? I get it. What do they have to show for it?

I mean, but it's the same thing as Brian Kelly. And I said this in my open. I realize the whole point is a title. Even an SEC title. I realize. I realize. Okay. But all I'm telling you is that we are very dismissive of the team that is on the cusp

of it, that is in play for it. And I think ultimately nobody wants to sit in front of the press conference and say, Hey, we want to get real close and never win a title. But you can't be that dismissive of being the 15 last year. That's all. I'm not being dismissive of it, but big guy, listen here. You know and I know. In this world, yeah, I'm going to call you big guy

since you're sitting there with your arms out. By the way, I need to know what you're bitching these days. We'll get to that in a moment. When you get to a point where you're making $9 million a year, you have 100,000-seat stadium where people at Texas A&M say, oh, don't worry about it. We can burn $ 100 million. It doesn't matter. So when you have those resources like the big boys and you're saying, hey,

gig them, we're recruiting everybody in the state, everybody in the country we want. Yeah. You better get something to show for it. Okay. Alabama's got rings. LSU's got rings. Ohio State's got rings. Don't tell me that we just want to get close. Michigan got close for years. Until they beat Ohio State and got an opportunity to get in the playoff, they were irrelevant. Now they're relevant, but they're still not there until they get in this playoff and they play for a title. It's about rings, big guy.

That's what it's about. I'm sorry, but I just don't think 126 teams get an F out of every season. Not an F, but they don't get an A. an F out of every season. All right? Not an F, but they don't get an A.

Let me go in this direction. Go ahead. No, no, stop right there. What are we bitching these days, by the way? All right, so you're going to laugh. You're going to laugh. I had a buddy who was teaching me about some of the pin stuff, so taking it off the pins to then get your overall up. And I haven't just maxed out to max out to see what it is in forever. All right. Cause I'm actually afraid

of, of what it feels like. So I was doing, you know, off the pins, you can put a ton of weight on there. It doesn't matter, but it's still a little weird. Cause when you're holding it out and you're holding up three 50, three 70 or something, you're not bringing it down. I wouldn't get that rep off. So then I went back to do 225, and I got 21 reps for 225, and I have been a fucking mess since. Whatever I would try to do now would be so terrible, I can't even tell you. So I had a good day a month or so ago,

and now it's like gone. Hey, so Rudy, it took him two minutes to give me a number all i asked for was a number sir rudy it's max forever yeah i mean just give me a number i'm not in high school i don't max bench but you're wearing but you're wearing a vest with no sleeves okay that's what kids in high school do so come on i again who makes vests with sleeves this is the third time this week that we've been on this topic it's all right who makes vests with sleeves? This is the third time this week that we've been on this topic. It's all right. Who wears vests with no sleeves?

They make them for a reason because they want you to put something underneath. You know who does it? Guys that work from home that live at the beach. All right. All right. Recruiting. Yeah. Now, it's a free-for-all now, which is good because it feels like nobody can get in trouble. What do you think Brian's approach is going to be to hanging out in a state that he has really no history with?

So here's where I look at it. Anytime you go to a new home or a new city, what do you do? You get a realtor. Hey, show me the lay of the land. All right, show me where I need to be and where I don't need to be. And you kind of talk to a couple of people you trust. It's no different than coaching. Yeah, okay. I've never been to Louisiana as yet, I'm assuming you're going to get your a couple of the best recruiters on that staff. Corey Raymond, Mickey Joseph, Kevin Falk, Brad Davis, guys that have been there, guys that can coach positions that you need. And you're going to get them and you're going to have them take you around the state of Louisiana because you're named Brian Kelly. The one thing about Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley that's been good for USC and LSU, this has been on every sports channel in America. So right now, LSU and USC are getting all the buzz, whether it's good or bad. Like every kid in America wants to know, what is it about the buzz? Why is a coach that won 11 games, that has a chance to go to the playoff, why did he leave to go to the Reds? So the buzz is there. Now what Brian Kelly has to do is to go in and show off the shiny new toy.

And if he gets the right realtor, i.e. the right assistant coaches, I think he'll be fine. Everyone is making a big deal out of this whole fit thing. Ryan, when Urban Meyer went to Gainesville, Florida, the first time Urban Meyer went to Swamps, you think he knew who to talk to down there? No. Okay.

Nick Saban. The first time Nick Saban went to walk-ons, do you honestly think Nick Saban knew what a po' boy was? No. So what does that mean? That means when you win, you get the fit. When you coach the X and Os and you make the players better, yeah, you fit. As a player, all I want my coach to do is this. Shoot me straight.

All right? Prove to me he can make me better. And let's win, baby. That's what he needs to do. Now, initially, again, he needs the realtor. Once he gets the realtor and shows people he knows what he's doing, it's the Nick Saban model and the Urban Meyer model. I don't need to know about the place I'm going.

I just need to show him that where I come from, I know what the hell I'm doing. And I think he can do that. Do they ask you to kick in as a rich alum when they do these deals? Well, a couple of things. Number one, I'm not rich. I am an alum. Secondly, they did not ask as far as the money part. They did ask my opinion. So I was privy on some level, which I will not divulge as a part of this process. And I'm ecstatic about it. When you give a guy 100 million, Rosillo, here's the thing. And I was discussing this earlier. If somebody calls you and say, hey, Ryan, I know you're out in Manhattan Beach and you're out there, you're sleeveless vest, you're bench pressing, you're playing pickup ball with random dudes at the rec.

But I got a hundred million for you to come to Slovakia. And we want you to be the male model for this Russian Slovakian strip club. All right. We want you to come over and do this. All right. Here's a prerequisite. You got to be buff. You got that taken care of. All right. You got to be bald to some, some, some sort. So you fit in, but you want, you're going to have to be naked in front of strangers for 300 days out of a year, but we're going to give you a hundred million. You know what your ass is doing? You're getting on a plane and you're going to Slovakia and you're going to be naked 300 days a year. So when they give you a hundred million, you take the money and you figure out everything else later,

Russell O. Where is the Slovakian nude? Are we talking bottoms as well or just shirts off? No, no, this is not the gold club where you put the little stars over the... This is full. This is full nude. That's the this is full this is the right this is this is full full news that's what this is how did this analogy how did you come up with this analogy i think i'm more worried about that

than any answer to this because everyone seems to wonder around america how could brian kelly leave his team on the precipice of the playoff how could l Lincoln Raleigh leave right after they lost at Bedlam? You know why they left? Because they gave Lincoln Raleigh $110 million in unlimited private jet use. You know why Brian Kelly left? Because he gets to go to Baton Rouge, where he's the only Power 5 school in the state that generally has 40 to 50, four to five star kids in it every year. If you just get those, you're going to win.

And they gave you $100 million. Oh, by the way, they're going to give you the ability to bring your own staff, bring whoever you want. Oh, by the way, you can use the LSU jet. I don't know. Whenever you want to use it. That's why you leave Notre Dame. And Jack Swarbrick, I love Jack. Jack is one of the most stand-up ADs in the country.

But for Jack to stand up and say, yeah, I didn't really get any heads up. Listen, Jack. All right. I know you love Cerruti. If they offered you $100 million, you'd be yeah, I didn't really get any heads up. Listen, Jack, all right? I know you love Cerruti. If they offered you $100 million, you'd be sending Cerruti a text message from Slovakia. Seriously.

Yeah. No, I mean, hell, when I was done, I mean, I talked to Cerruti about it, but I was, well, actually, I think I did. I think I did fill in Cerruti. I was like, hey, just so you know, you're here for me, I'm probably done. Let's talk a little ball then while we have you

in front of the weekend here. Do you have any upset matchups here for Conference Championship Saturday? Well, let's just go through them all. Let's start Cincinnati-Houston. I think Houston can win, but that's not an upset. Houston won 11 games in a row. Should have probably beat Texas Tech, but that's neither here nor there. I think they can win.

Again, I don't think that's an upset. Let's go to the Pac-12. I guess it would be an upset the way that Oregon got, like, dump-trucked by Utah. But I think we all got to figure that game's going to be closer. Like, Mario Cristobal has got a lot of pride, even though, by the way, just a little insight. I think if the University of Miami job does come open,

make sure you keep your eye on Mario Cristobal. I've gotten a couple of feelers he wants that job. As far as the SEC, Alabama has pride. Alabama has talent. Alabama has the best quarterback in America, Bryce Young. Yes, I said the best quarterback in America. He'll win the Heisman. And let's just paint a scenario, Rusillo,

where he has his Heisman moment against that defense. And by Heisman moment, I mean they go out and put up 24. Would it be a shock if Stetson Bennett went to bed? I don't know. Like, I'm just like, Stetson Bennett hadn't really had to do it against that level of competition yet. So would that be an upset? Yeah, because Georgia's defense has been the most dominant unit in the sport

that we've seen in a long time. But Georgia's offense doesn't scare anybody. So I can see that game going either way. I think Michigan dump trucks Iowa. In the Big 12, is Gary Bohannon going to play for Baylor? If he does, I think Baylor can get a little revenge against Oklahoma State. And Notre Dame doesn't play.

So when it's all said and done, if you ask me to bet some of that Manhattan Beach money, I say Georgia's one, Michigan's two. I think Cincinnati wins three, and I think Baylor beats Oklahoma State, and then Notre Dame gets in at four. Then we have a scenario where who coaches Notre Dame in the playoff? I think that, to me, that's the most intriguing thing because Notre Dame wants a coach who, in my opinion, is going to be coaching Cincinnati.

What is Notre Dame willing to do to get that coach? Are they willing to let their defensive coordinator, who wants to be the coach also, be the interim coach, as the AD has already said that the interim coach is not going to be considered for the full-time job. So if you understand all the layers that's going into this playoff at the back end, to me, that's the most fascinating thing we can hope for come Saturday night.

Yeah, I mean, that's the Cincinnati part. In a way, I want Cincinnati to get in for people to realize, like, look, it's stacked against the non-Power Fives, but if you're there at the end, then you want Cincinnati to get in for people to realize, look, it's stacked against the non-power fives, but if you're there at the end, then you're going to get in. By the way, Cincinnati being competitive with Georgia and probably should have won that bowl game last year helps. It helps as a carryover. Now, if you're a Cincinnati person telling me, hey, they hung with Georgia,

well, look, we're a year later. Georgia's a little bit different now this season. By the way, who's your favorite defensive player on Georgia? Because I feel like N'Kobe Dean is behind a couple of the other guys as far as I know, and I love Dean. I love him. I like Dean. Obviously, Jordan Davis, everybody says,

just because he's the nose talking, and he can move like a freak of nature. But to me, the guy that makes the whole show go is N'Kobe Dean. I think him being in the middle, Nolan Smith. Okay. He's a pro, but Dean is a guy that I see getting everybody. He's barking orders. Yeah. That guy's a pro. You know, it reminds me of,

he reminds me of a, of a younger version of, and he's not on that level, but go back and look at Devin White or Levante David when they were at Nebraska and LSUSU like the guys that could run they weren't 240 250 but they could run in the head and they didn't miss tackles that's what he reminds me of I just feel like he's in on everything and um you know I think Tyndall is somebody that always stands out every time I'm watching as well but I feel like Dean is always like the third or fourth mention as far as a pro. I'll ask you because that's where you played.

Your system was a little different, especially in the beginning for you because you were okay as an undersized, essentially, D-tackle, but you weren't over the center. Jordan Davis, is he a little too one-dimensional? It's almost like, hey, Heisman, it's fun, he's huge, you can move, look how sick of an athlete he is. Is he actually a little less versatile, though, as a pro prospect than maybe people talk about?

No. Here's what I would say, think about Jordan Davis. Think, obviously, he's not fat. He's probably a little heavy to play every down. He'll get in better shape. I mean, he's 21, he's not fat. Uh, he's probably a little heavy to play every down. Uh, he'll get in better shape. I mean, he's 21, 20, 21 years old. Like, I mean, go back to when you were 2021, you didn't even have a cut on your body. Uh, so yeah, he'll get better. Yeah. I know you love that one. He'll get better. I think he is a,

he is a version of a Richard Seymour S with a little more power. He is long. He is a version of a Richard Seymour-esque with a little more power. He is long. He is – who else? I'm trying to think. The guy that plays for the Steelers, Stephon Tewitt. Like, he's that big. So, he's going to be a 3-4 guy. To me, he's a 3-4 end in that 4-I that can lock out and just dominate and take

up one side of the football. That's what he is. He'll be a top 10 pick in the draft, though, I think. Yeah, I don't doubt it, and maybe I'm wrong about it, but I guess I feel like

maybe he's one of those guys, too. If you're going to play, you just don't see that many nose tackle guys, and you just don't see enough teams lining up. They're just loading the team with safeties anyway, so I don't know. Maybe it's a first and second down thing, or maybe some teams feel like system-wise this doesn't really fit what we do anymore in the league.

He's more athletic than you think, like if you watch him run. Oh, I know that. He can move. Any final thoughts before we get ready for this last weekend? Like if you watch him run, like literally. I know that. I know that. Like he can move. Yeah. All right. Any final thoughts before we get ready for this last weekend? Yes.

Give me the feel out West from your perspective, since you're out there walking around shirtless. What has, what's the feel about Lincoln Riley been? Home run. You know, the Pac-12, I do think things are very cyclical. I think Larry Scott did an almost criminally bad job out here. He had as much to do with that as I think the lack of big guys.

The big guys, when you watch Pac-12 games, you're like, you know what? We're all the big guys. We're the big guys. Even the Big 12, you see more big guys in Big 12 games than you see Pac-12 games. This whole area needed good news because Cristobal, I think, was the only one that actually, as disappointing as the Utah loss is, had a clear vision and higher-end talent.

I still think Oregon's more talented than Utah. I was not shocked by what happened there because of the way Utah had looked through different times this season. But it feels like a Pac-12 brand amount of news that's the first good news in the longest time. So maybe it doesn't work. We've all been surprised before, but there is nothing leading up to this point that tells you this wasn't anything but a great success. They're not all about football. It's hard to get all the people and decision makers on the same page. They don't really want to spend the money that everybody else is spending. And then they blasted that perception out of the water.

So everybody out here is pumped about it. I would imagine the only person that isn't thrilled is my guy Chip Kelly. So we'll see. He probably doesn't care, actually. No, Chip doesn't care because Chip is Chip. He just does his thing. Yeah, there's absolutely no question. Last thing I'll say is this, because I listen to the pod. No, Chip doesn't care because Chip is Chip. He just does his thing, right? Yeah, absolutely no question. Last thing I'll say is this, because I listen to the pod,

and I'll just ask the question like this. Does LeBron or do LeBron and the Lakers win a title in the next two years? I don't see a pad based on Milwaukee getting younger, based on Milwaukee getting more experienced. At some point, Kyrie's going to come to his senses, and you look at what Harden and Durant are doing. Steph, plays coming back. I mean, the Warriors look amazing. You got Phoenix.

I don't see a path for a LeBron title in the next two to three years, and by that time, I think it's too late. Yeah, I mean, it might be too late in two years. I mean, this is now another time where he's down, but this isn't an injury. But we've now had a couple seasons here with some injury issues, which is normal because he's passed this minute threshold that almost nobody is at. I hate doubting LeBron. I hate doubting him. AD has been a mess. I don't know why his shot selection is what it is. I know

he's always a little softer than people want him to be, but I've always defended him. But now he's not only settling, he's missing everything too, which can't be who he is. So I don't like doubting AD and LeBron. I hate doubting LeBron. But the rest of the roster doesn't make a ton of sense. I think Westbrook's a disastrous addition for them in a playoff series. I know what he's capable of in regular season games.

So I feel like even though I'm afraid of ever saying anything against those guys, the window may have closed and we just don't want to admit it yet. I still think to this point, the 20-plus games, because of how inconsistent the rotations have been and who's available, 25% of the season that we've already played, I can't look at this

and then say this is how I'm evaluating the Lakers because much like the Warriors without Klay, I think a lot of what we've seen from the the Lakers is pretty irrelevant it just hasn't been great yeah my only thing is by the time it becomes relevant they're going to be too far in a hole like this whole idea that they can be the six seven eight seed and all of a sudden LeBron can win anywhere anytime like I think that's done and over with at some point you have to take the path of least resistance by actually just waking up at your own home and driving to Staples Center and playing a game. So either way, I'll end with this. Super Bowl is in L.A. I'll be there.

We need to set an appointment up. You and I are going to bench and do a pod while benching while I'm at the Super Bowl in L.A. I want to check out this. I want to I want to check out this whole pin theory. to check out this whole pin theory. Rudy, however you have to do it, we're recording a pod in LA during the Super Bowl. I get up early, so I'll be on East Coast time, so we can do it at 4 a.m.

It doesn't matter. Let's do it. Done. No problem. Just have your outfit ready, because I might do work boots and cut-offs and a vest again. Yeah. If you look at me, I'm shirtless right now cutoffs and a vest again. Yeah, big guy. If you look at me, I'm shirtless right now, so I have no problem. Thanks, Booger.

Anytime, dude. Coming up on Saturday, December 18th in Tampa, Darren Williams and Frank Gore. It's the undercard of Jake Paul, Tommy Fury. It's going to be on Showtime, Pay-Per-View, and it all starts at 9 Eastern. And Darren joins us out. So how did this all get started, man?

Give us the origin of you getting into the ring with Frank Gore. Well, I was walking into Target. Nikisa Bedarian, who I hadn't talked to in about five years, who actually might have been like seven years uh since he was with the ufc kind of the last time i talked to him um i knew he had got out of the fight game and he called me out of the blue and he was telling me you know he's what he was doing and it's like i got a frank gore's looking for an opponent and you know kind of gave me the rundown.

I looked at the calendar to see how many days I had. Called my business partner, Saif Saud, at Fortis MMA and, you know, decided, why not? Let's do it. Okay. Had you ever trained, you know, in any kind of mixed martial arts or boxing? Had you done anything really other than prior to getting ready for this thing? Yeah. I mean, I'm part owner of Fortis MMA.

I've been training for a while. I actually was preparing for a fight in February right before COVID for an MMA fight. The guy ended up backing out kind of good Cause I had a torn tendon in my wrist. So I have to get through that. But, um, you know, I've been training for years. I've been training pretty consistent. Well, I was training pretty consistently up until COVID. Um, uh, you know, done a lot of, a lot of boxing, a lot of stand-up, a lot of jiu-jitsu. My first sport was wrestling. I wrestled for nine years. Kind of history of combat sports. I've always loved watching boxing, watching MMA. Definitely a student of the game.

Okay. Were you a tough kid then growing up? Wrestlers are always the toughest. You guys are brutal. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I was. I won state twice in Texas, 67 pounds and 112 pounds, which I don't think is easy to do. But basketball was my true love, and I had to stop wrestling. But yeah, kind of tough. I remember, did you ever, did you ever, because, you know,

whenever we see, like, stuff that happens at NBA games, you know, like the Isaiah Stewart-LeBron thing, right? And LeBron just straight up cheap shot at him. I mean, it's not even debatable. And then Stewart looked like he wanted him, and then he wanted him more a little bit later on. Were you known the guys in the league know that like hey maybe you know you can't get as serious with there

i don't think so and i didn't really give off that vibe i was never a shit talker and i mean i've i've been around a lot of a lot of fighters and you know i know a lot of i've known a lot of ufc guys for a lot of years and most of them are the most humblest you know guys you ever be around um i don't know if that's a word but they are they're humble they don't really have to act tough because they know they're tough and um i just knew guys weren't really trying to fight in the nba for the most part i mean why would you i'm not trying to lose money and so there was no reason to even pretend, you know. I'm trying to play in the next game. I'm not trying to be suspended and miss games and miss money.

All right. What's the training been like for you for this one? It's been fun. It's been tough. It's different, you know. It's a different grind. You know, it's just you by yourself for the most part. When you're doing rounds, when you're doing conditioning, a best you're not feeling 100 you got some guys you can pass the ball to and then get it done it's not it's not like that with boxing and so um you know it's been a grind but i've been enjoying it you know it's uh i think mentally it's something i

need uh you know it's something like i just like i just needed to compete in something and you know this gave me a kind of a reason to do it. Do you have any understanding of where Frank Gore is as a fighter? I know he's trained for some years. I know he loves it. He's an explosive athlete. One of the most durable, if not the most durable, running backs of all time. I know he's going to be tough. I know he's going to work hard.

He's always been known as one of the hardest workers in the room so you know definitely expecting that so i'm more worried about me you know just getting into physical shape um and uh you know i'm ready is there i don't know mean, I know the answer to this already. Um, whatever that anxiousness is, I doubt it's fear, but what's the mindset like for you going to be like, you know, 48 hours, 24 hours out waking up that day.

Like how do you, how do you think you're going to feel? This is my first time doing it. So everything's kind of a, it's a, you know, it's a feeling out process. It's learning.

The good thing about it is I got, I mean, we have at our gym, we a, you know, it's a feeling out process. It's learning. The good thing about it is I got, I mean, we have at our gym, we have, you know, about 15 UFC fighters, guys that have done Muay Thai fights and boxing matches, all types of stuff. So I've been leaning on them and getting their opinion and talking to them about preparation. And, you know, so I'm getting a little understanding of, I think, what it's going to be like.

And, of course, there's going to be errors. I get nervous for a basketball game, so I'm damn sure I'm going to get nervous to go in there and potentially, you know, wake up wondering what the hell just happened. So, you know, I'm sure there's going to be some nerves. I'm sure from what I understand is most guys are nervous up until that bell rings or the first time they get hit. And then it's like,

Oh, here we are. Have you knocked anyone out in training? Um, no, I haven't knocked anybody out. I don't know that that's a thing that has to happen. I mean,

I'd imagine you're, you're just trying to get your rounds in, right? You're not. I'm pretty, you know, live rounds, you know, so that you get, you get touched, you know, we're training with, for the most part, you know, 16 ounce gloves. So it's a little different. Yeah. I mean, actually like defense wise, you can kind of get used to it, right.

With the bigger gloves and feeling like it's absorbing a lot of this stuff. And then once you get in there, it's like, okay, wait a minute. And I got to adjust a little bit. Yeah, no, for sure. You know, you definitely get a, you have some big pillows that you're hiding behind. So, uh, you know, you gotta be, you know, you gotta be conscious of that, knowing that, that, that six ounces, six ounces of each gloves, you know, that, that takes away a little bit of, of that, that cushions, that takes away a little bit of that.

That cushion's, you know, a little bit different. But at the same time, you know, same thing for him. You know, he's got the same things to worry about. Do you know Frank at all? Did you know anything about him? Because I watched some of the videos. You guys just kind of staring each other down, and that's about it, right? Well, that was my first time meeting him.

We're about the same age, so i was always a fan of his work you know he was phenomenal you know especially when he was in san fran um you know he was a beast and i definitely watched him one of those guys watch even if i was a killer from one of my teams, but he was just one of those guys that seemed like a good guy. And you root for him. Do you miss hoops now? It's been, what, four years for you now? Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

Definitely miss it. Miss being out there, miss competing. You know, I feel like I definitely left a little too early, but, you know, it's a little felt like I definitely left a little too early, but you know, it's a little too late to go back now. So, um, you know,

there's, there's no, um, there's no way to do anything about that. You gotta live with the decisions you make. And I definitely missed it though. Well, at the end of the last year in Cleveland,

what, 17, I know, you know, health probably played as big of an issue into the last year in Cleveland, what, 17? I know health probably played as big an issue into the whole factoring of what you did anyway. But was there – I mean, did you feel like you could still stick around, though, if you wanted to, or were you just frustrated? There was a lot of things that played a part in me not playing anymore.

Yeah, I didn't really love – I didn't love the role that I was in. And it wasn't even the role that I was in. It was just that I was kind of – I wasn't used to that role, and I was kind of thrown in the last half of the season and tried to adjust. It worked well for – you know, at times, but it wasn't just – it wasn't a lot of fun at times. And so, you know, that was part of it.

But then health was a big issue for me. It was just frustrating because I felt like I was just so injury prone, just little nagging injuries at all times. I felt like I couldn't take another season of getting hurt. I felt like I couldn't make it through another season without getting i just didn't know if i could take that you know it's mentally i've taken a lot out of me because i just felt like i could never never get back to myself do you watch your league pass or you not any interest i watch you know when they come on i'm not watching every game um i got kids i got you know i'm always doing stuff.

It's tough for me to watch a bunch of games, but I tune in here and there. I watch highlights and stuff like that. You've always been attached to the Chris Paul part of the story. You guys come in together head-to-head. What's it like for you watching him do this still? Man, it's crazy. It's incredible.

I talked to him. He called me as soon as as soon as uh he's one of the first calls i took and we talked and yeah man he's doing his thing out there it's it's impressive to see um i talked about it a while ago i think at the press conference where i said i was jealous you know jealous that he's out there at his age, you know, still doing what he was doing at, you know, at 28, on the 18 win streak right now. Yeah. Man, he's, he's defying time. He's, he's, he's playing as, as, as well as any point guard in the league and, you know,

doing an even better job of leading that team. I know I interviewed you a long time ago. I doubt you remember it back at ESPN. And that was kind of when it was at its peak of you. It's like you had to say who you were aligned with, you or Chris Paul. If I ask you if you thought you were better than him, I think you're going to say yes, because that's what guys do.

But how much of that did you care about, pay attention to the you versus Chris Paul stuff at your peak? I mean, it was hard not to pay attention to it because it was just the narrative that was pushed so hard. I don't think it was like, I wanted to be the best I could be at the best point guard in the league regardless. I think that most guys feel that way. And so, you know, it wasn't like, oh, I'm trying to be better than Chris Paul.

But I was trying to, you know, lead my team the best way I can, win as many games as I can, and hoping that would take care of itself, but it wasn't something I woke up every day like, oh, I got to be better than Chris Paul. Yeah, no, you're right, and that would be a waste. That would be, I forget where you were on recently, though, and you talked about the exit from utah because you always you know look um you got crushed you know like people crushed you after that and your explanation of it was was i think the first time that i'd heard the version of it

where it was like look i may not have been always the easiest to deal with but they just decided like we're moving on can we revisit that because i just thought it was like it was kind of you you know you don't talk a lot you've always been a guy that's a little bit more buttoned up and then when you told your version of the story i was like oh shit i've never heard it this way before yeah i mean that honestly that that took a lot out of me mentally um when that happened in the media coverage and the backlash I got, you know, it fucked me up a little bit. It took me a while to get past that. But, yeah, I mean, it was what it was, you know. Like I said, I wasn't, you know, with the times.

I was so damn competitive. So I just wanted to win. And sometimes, like, I felt like, you know, just wanted to win and sometimes like I felt like you know the things weren't going the way I thought they should be going I acted out you know and I was young stupid uh I could have handled things a lot differently than I than I did um and as a result of that you know what transpired transpired and so um you know, what, what transpired transpired. And so, um, I'm glad that I'm glad that I was able to talk to Coach Sloan, you know,

um, before he passed and was able to, to apologize, um, you know, say what I need to say. And he was able to get some things off his chest as well. And so, you know, I'm definitely, definitely glad I got to, um, I got to experience that. Did you, going through it, I'm always trying to figure that out. It's so easy for us to assume, oh, who cares? Money, I'm good at basketball, it's cool. But when it's a daily thing where you're just being trashed, how does that wear on you?

Oh, it does. I mean, especially when someone like me, I've suffered from depression my whole life and runs in my family. And so, you know, it was definitely tough. And then going to New York and dealing with my injuries there, it was tough. And I even got a little bit of blame when Avery Johnson was let go because of some comments that I made that I – sometimes I just speak the truth, and I guess people don't like that. They asked me, like, when my best years were in Utah or Brooklyn. And I said, Utah was a – and it's not a no-brainer.

If you look at everything to that point, that was the truth. And somehow that came off as me bashing, you know, Coach Johnson. And then he got let go and called as well. So at that point, I just, I just, my, and there was a lot of stories in New York that kind of just came out of nowhere. And a lot of them were not even true. And I just, I just lost a lot of trust in the media and stuff. I didn't even like to talk to media. And so I would be really rude, really brash, really became really protected.

And I would just, whatever I had to do to protect myself and my way into that was being an asshole and yeah I mean that was the word to be like yeah he's an asshole and then it was well I was I was I didn't I wasn't in a good place but let's just say that for a lot of a lot of my career and so I've done a lot of work since being out of the NBA. I think mentally that's a big reason why I didn't play anymore. I just needed a break mentally to reassess life. So I think it's actually been good. I've been a lot happier. Well, hey, man, good luck.

I'm looking forward to this. Frank Gore, it's the 18th show time And Darren Williams has some time with us Thanks man Thanks Fred You want details? Bye I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet

What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork I have every toy you can possibly imagine And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Before we get to life advice, again,

lifeadvicerr at gmail.com, we're just kicking around with the guys because we're not going to be doing any previously on Yellowstone. We're not going to be doing any of that because Prestige TV, Chris Ryan and I do Yellowstone episodes almost every week. We'll be doing that.

I know they're doing succession stuff too. Are you guys all the way in? You're all caught up where we're at right now? Yeah. Watch the midnight. Kyle, thoughts? You were talking earlier and you were just like, I don't know what this is anymore and I'm kind of squarely in that group, I don't know what this is anymore. And I'm kind of squarely in that,

in that, uh, group where I don't know what I'm watching anymore. I mean, I've been trying to get my parents to, to watch it. And I'm just like, it's just dialogue.

And I actually makes me feel like I'm smart when I'm just like, it's just a dialogue. You'll never find anything like it. So, um, I actually feel smart saying it now. Just good dialogue. What can you do?

Yeah. I don't know that I can ever think of a show that is just people talking the way this season has has gone and i thought it was a little slow um which is fine i don't mind slow like i like kind of slow builds uh i don't i don't need everything to be a card chase you know five minutes in to everything but that last episode for kendall's party was i loved that episode like i'm watching i'm halfway through it again and I don't even know why I like it so much it's just so weird to me that I could be because the storyline is kind of stalled but there's just these scenes in this like you said this diet like there's never really been a show that I can think of that is carried this way um and I don't know I don't know if I'm just

all in the bag for succession that I can't even point out times where I shouldn't be I don't know. I don't know if I'm just all in the bag for succession that I can't even point out times where I shouldn't be. I don't know. It's in my head and I love it. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that it's like a transition period in the show, which it clearly is. I think, you know, what the beginning of the season was billed as like Kendall versus Logan. And now the Kendall stuff is obviously losing a ton of steam as the case seems to be done. Although maybe they're like setting you up for like, actually, it's back. Who knows? Like maybe there's some, you know, the DOJ is going to come in and everyone thinks they're safe.

Like, you know, spoiler alert, but Tom thinks he's not going to jail, which was incredible when he goes into Greg's office and starts fucking shit up. But yeah, I think the only thing I can think of is that it's leading towards

like the political campaign stuff. And that guy who I forget his name, like the younger dude who like shit, who? Yeah, something like that. Is that what it is?, like the younger dude who like Shiv hates. Who, yeah, something like that. Is that what it is? Yeah, the candidate. Yeah, and he's just a complete shithead and Shiv hates him, but obviously Logan loves him.

And that actually is, I think that could be a really fun lane to go down. So that's what I assume they're setting up for. But this, like this Kendall episode is just kind of like a one-off to show how depressed he is. It was funny that it seemed like Kendall falling on the ground

was the absolute most action that has happened this season. Like when he hits the ground and like trips by like a playful Roman shove, I was like, holy shit, something's going to happen. And then nothing happened. He just kind of slunk out of there. But I mean, in terms of like action, really not much in the show, period. Yeah, I love the party.

I thought it was hilarious kind of the way that it was set up um and that if you look at the scenes from next episodes which usually i don't like to do but with them i'm just kind of i want any of it that i can get so it's pretty clear that the deal that he pulls off with the tech guy like it didn't go as smoothly as uh as Roman thought it did and all this kind of stuff. But Greg and Tom, Greg and Tom, Greg and Tom. And you're right.

I don't know. Are they really going to just do this where they're setting us up for Tom potentially going to jail again? Which would be weird because you can't really take him out of the show. Is this going to be Tom? I would love Tom in jail scenes. And then is going to be tom i would love tom and jail scenes and then people going to visit him that would be incredible greg stopping by with a sub

forum or something yeah so i i know we always joke about spinoffs for everything but i mean greg and tom could have a spinoff and i could i'd watch every second of it no one else would have to talk just those guys talking when they're talking so i did ask somebody with the show nicholas brawn who plays greg because now i'm doing a really annoying thing where if greg has a line i try to not predict necessarily but like i think of five other lines that he could have had that are greg style lines and um i asked somebody with the show about i said what's what's the story like how much of is it improvisation you know what do you do there and he was like uh maybe 20 and the analogy the person used was unbelievable this is so good so i don't think it's wrong that

i'm i'm not saying who it is but i'm sharing it it sharing it. It's like a hitch in his shot. A hitch in his shot if you were a shooter, a basketball player, and it goes in every single time. And I was like, God, that's brilliant. That's a brilliant way to describe his cadence, his delivery, and just the number of times where he says something and the way he does it. I don't know.

It's just so weird. I can't think of somebody. It's not just that he's funny because he is, but it's not like he's trying to be funny. He's just so different. And I don't know. I love him. I agree. I was outside Friar Group talking to this guy yesterday and I did the if it's to be said, then so.

I mean, I bungled it but like i i said the guy was like what are you talking about i was like i don't know sorry so you didn't see succession he's like yeah but i don't know what you're talking about all right we'll just pretend i never said it but now i say his weird shit in real life sometimes yeah um good job greg that's that's pretty good the guy didn't know what you were talking about no i know i was googling the other day greg line succession because i just wanted i just wanted stuff from him um and you know i don't know we'll we'll uh we'll see i guess we're done here i guess i'm up for greg going on a date though that's uh good for him you know he needs and he needs uh oh yeah de-stressor in his life.

And it seems like a fun time. Even if it's kind of a pity date. Well, it was Kendall, basically. She basically only accepted the date because Kendall said she wouldn't. Right? So, good for Greg. I didn't love the girl he was so attracted to. I just didn't see it.

Definitely a big little height mismatch there. He's got like two feet on her. So, that's a little weird a little weird she's always looking at her phone and i don't know she's kind of like monotone and she doesn't seem like greg at all for me but what is greg's type i don't know i think greg is like whoever's available i'll i'm interested right well she's not my type that's all i'm saying if it is to be said so be it so it is yeah so it is that's what i messed up so it is to be said, so be it. So it is. Yeah, so it is. That's what I messed up. So it is. Ah, I ripped the shirt. I'll tell you this about Greg, though.

He's not afraid. He'll ask somebody out. He's not going to worry that he's the least liquid of any of the Roy clan, that he's being cut off, that Greenpeace has all his money. He'll just show right up to a party and go, I'm asking her out. When he was buying the watch in one of the earlier episodes this season,

he says something about like, I have something, he says something about his wrists that they're either like, I have weak wrists or I've always been ashamed of my wrists or something. And he's like shaking the watch around and he has this stupid smile

on his face. He's I don't know. There's nothing else I can add to it because I'm just sitting here fawning over him. So there you go. We good? We just go to life advice now? Yeah. Life advice. I like a TV character way too much

and talk about him for eight minutes on the show. All right. A couple things here. Your chicken thigh take sucks. Okay. I'm sure you get a million messages saying the same. They're tastier and juicier, but you're entitled to be wrong.

Still a fan. It's from Andrew. Still a fan. I appreciate you fighting through. I hate your chicken takes, but I'm gonna quit the pod thanks you know i listen to the pod three times a week for last few years but your chicken thigh thing i'm out that's what i always used to love that like when you get like feedback on the radio show like i listen to you every day for eight years but and the last drop yeah but but you know you've not if you even watch the jets no you just go like

um not really actually not a ton not start to finish much uh i am so tired of hearing from jets fans they've now replaced the bears group it's like look how bad we have it the jets just it's no one like you guys at least the bears have done good things right you know the jets are like i don't know i don't really bags yeah like i yeah it sucks they're not good and that's your team that's it that's that's how it works all right um this one sucks our guy checks in 5 10 150 decent shape the other day i was sitting with my girlfriend on the couch and she wanted to show me something on her phone when she googled whatever she wanted to know or to show me one of the suggested results from a previously viewed website included the words relationship doubts i didn't see more than those two words and haven't asked about it because honestly i don't

know if i want to know we've been together for just over six months it's been the healthiest relationship both she and i've had on one hand i can see myself marrying her a couple years on the other hand i've dated around enough to know that if this didn't work out i could find someone else okay yeah he's cool with it i figure if these doubts are real and persistent the relationship will end regardless of whether i ask her about the chrome suggestion if they are fleeting i don't need to worry about it anyway because of this i don't really plan on asking her about it though i know it'll stick with me a little bit am i being a coward um i think coward's a little harsh i get it like you don't you know how like you could be in a relationship and it

could be really weird where you know it's not working out but you just would rather be in it and so you don't want to rock the boat you don't want to have anything that leads to that moment where the person can now get out and that's just an awful thing to be in though like saying that out loud and going hey i'm in this relationship where i don't want to press the other person because i know that they're going to dump me at some point like you can't live that way right i mean just constantly on eggshells the whole time you can't do that but i do think that your perspective on it's pretty interesting that you're like if it's fleeting then it might be better not asking her about it right like if the relationship is good and you're still going six months or whatever it it could have been a fleeting thing i mean i gotta tell you that like what would you the results be like would

you be on the fence like kyle would you be on the fence and google relationship doubts and then read for 10 minutes and go all right i'm out of this now like i could probably guess every single thing that relationship doubt page would say right yeah it would be more of a WebMD situation if I'm trusting Google Chrome on something like that. Not necessarily doubts. And I just looked up, unfortunately, if you type in relationship, doubts doesn't like populate next.

It's not even on the first page. So she probably did Google it up. And I went on Google Chrome, right? Yeah. That's what we're using. Even you type in relationship D, it's definition dynamics, deal breakers, deal breakers, development,

and development intervention, but no doubts. So that was a full type out. Sorry. All right, here we go. We got Gary. He's a doctor. This is back in April 2021.

The relationship imposter phenomenon occurs when someone feels insecure, phony, or worries that the relationship isoster phenomenon occurs when someone feels insecure phony or worries that the relationship is a fraud oh that sucks do you have a good relationship you can't help wonder should my relationship be better should I be happier all right I'm not going to read this yeah um yeah I mean all this yeah I kind of like normally i think we've always say just address it you know take it head on but i kind of like again i think coward is way too strong here i think you're almost giving her a chance to get through whatever it is she's working through on her own and i don't know she could have also been talking to somebody else who wants to break up with her boyfriend

she's like hold on just do some research for somebody else i just really agree with his outlook i think that's good i think if he's like well if this all falls apart i definitely will be okay and uh boy i hope this isn't uh i hope she's not really reading into the relationship doubts thing too much and then just you know continue to be you maybe just make sure the dishwasher gets run maybe that'll help things or you know just be the best you but don't don't you know don't freak out see i was gonna play it the opposite way i think you could take more risks now because if you think that she's heading towards this being over and you're maybe in that what do you say six months you're still kind of in that like honeymoon

it's not really the honeymoon period but like you're probably still you're making it a little bit right where you're still trying to be the best version of you you can kind of just let it all hang out and then if it goes wrong then you're like well it's going to end anyway and if it doesn't and you guys end up becoming closer and ends up working out then you know the relationship's probably better for it so i actually think you start taking some more risks that's an amazing way to look at it too just like when you said risks i didn't know that's what you're talking about yeah just saying being you i thought you were like being kind of cold and calculated be like dude take that trip for a week and a half well yeah i mean

your buddy's like just go man why not even know what she says she breaks up with you then it was probably gonna end anyway and she's like yeah for some money see if she's got any money all right uh we'll do another one here something that i thought might interest you guys having me earlier this week all right um me my long-term girlfriend two years of two years broke up about three weeks ago i broke up with her though we aren't seeing eye to eye on certain topics we're about to move in together so i pulled the trigger on the whole thing now i took my three weeks to grieve and i'll honestly probably not long enough then i downloaded an app not tinder but a more sexually positive one one that

i didn't even know existed until I downloaded it. Any guesses on what that one would be, guys? It's not my thing. Sex positive? So does that mean more sex than Tinder? Yeah, I guess so. Right? Is it like one that's got no users and it's just a startup?

What's the most sexually active app? Blanks. Because everybody on this pod is in a healthy relationship. Yeah, I mean... Oh, I'll say it. That's okay. I thought Tinder was. And then there's some other ones out there.

But I thought Tinder was. Meat Shield? Is that one? How is meat spelled? I'm kidding. That's a good question. Oh, okay. You want Meat Shield?

There's a lot of these I haven't heard of. I just Googled it. There's H-U-D, Tinder, Pure, Hornet, OkCupid I've heard of, Field. That sounds pretty sexual. F-E-E-L-D. Oh, wow. Yeah, that way. I've heard of field. That sounds pretty sexual. F-E-E-L-D. Oh, wow.

Yeah, that way. That's I mean, that might be the one. That's why I asked how meat was spelled. You know what I mean? This field is spelled. It's just pictures of field Yates. I would check out that website with his shirt off. He's just yeah.

He's like, hey, I would. I don't know who to start with. Baltimore. All right. like hey i would i don't know who to start with uh baltimore all right um okay so he's on an app sex app i'm very much uh so not usually into an app like this but i thought what the hell right i'm single i swipe for a while but everyone is pretty beat to be quite honest except one girl that's a nice outlook um which i swipe right on i check back the app a week later and me and one girl matt she's 34 i'm 25 but you could tell but she could tell you she was 26 you believe it she's hot and good shape tattoos soft smile remember soft smile will be important down the road so i set up a date during

the week to a little cool restaurant that me and my ex had been to once before and loved it. Yes, I made the rookie move of booking that place. Me and my ex had been to and liked for a 34-year-old woman. I'd just been on a sex app and me. Date night rolls around. I'm already having second thoughts about this. I don't know if I'm ready. Why did I do this to myself? But there are worse problems in the world than having to go on a day with an attractive woman. I like that. Yeah. All right. So I show up a little late due to stomach complications. Oh, man. She's not there.

I'm only five minutes late. So I sit down at her table. My stomach starts acting up again. I go to the bathroom. I'm in there for 10 minutes before I come out. When I open the door, I see my date at the table. I stop and watch her talk to the waitress, but something's off. She's not a catfish, but she is.

She's really good at angles, I guess. And that soft smile is because her smile is 90% gum. Something I'm not about. Something I'm not about it. Some guys look past this, but not me. Yeah. Some guys with the big gum line thing just freaks them out. To make matters worse, I can't book it out of there. My jacket's on the back of the chair. Oh, it gets better. I see my ex's cousin who she lives with and is a very judgy model walking directly towards me to use the bathroom i hope um i'm stuck the cousin walks up to me says hi i say i was there with some friends with waiting outside mentioned nothing about the date she leaves to go to the bathroom in that moment i have a decision to make i decided to forego my jacket hopefully pick it up the next day i follow behind a waiter through the kitchen, out the back, delete the app,

block the quasi catfish. I'd love to hear Kyle's thoughts or Ryan's on if I move too quick. And Steve's reasoning why I show up to the date's house with a boom box and ask her to marry me. Ooh. All right. Wow.

So there was no advice in that one. But maybe just it was a way for this guy's just didn't give a shit at all didn't care would you do that kyle no i would have wrote it out i and i've written out catfish quasi catfishes before it's just like well the angles were good there have you ever catfished anyone i don't know nobody told me i have i'd like you know what i'm saying i may be quasi but i mean you know anything that you see is just stuff that i put up there so i don't know but i don't know i would have done it and i've done it before i've been in the situations like wow wow all right let's do this power through we're at least we're at least gonna sit here

for the bill you know i mean we'll at least going to stay here for the bill. You know what I mean? We'll at least have the dinner. I will say the idea of Kyle using like Facetune to capture people is an entertaining idea. But yeah, I love that idea. Probably not. Not a thing that's going to be done. I just kind of respect the guys.

He knew it was over. He didn't want to be embarrassed. And he just got out of there. And honestly, it's kind of no harm, no foul foul because you never really actually met this girl and i'm sure her life will go on being just fine you met on the dating app so who cares i mean you know it's it's it's a tough thing to do but you did it and you both move on you're cold man you're cold no i think it's pretty i think it's pretty tough i mean i know everybody thinks that i would do this in a second i definitely would have when i was younger i But I mean, I wouldn't be on an app now anyway.

But there's really no repercussions for him. He's never. And I know it's cold. That's why you're cold. But he made the decision in the time. He's never met her. She clearly, he thinks that she duped him. And he was like, I don't need to deal with this.

Yeah, but think about it. His jacket is on the chair. A guy brought them to that table. He's been sitting there the whole time, and then he's got the stomach issues on top of everything else. So she knows that somebody was there, left his jacket, and then disappeared. So is she going to put all that together?

Like, there's a 50-50 chance she puts it together and realizes, wait, this guy must have seen me, and then he left and snuck out. But if you've got stomach but if you've got stomach issues you've got stomach issues and you know that part you kind of got to give him a little bit more of a pass because you're combining all that stuff in but let's face it if she were more attractive he would have gotten through you know maybe a little little beam and ginger you know something to settle the old stomach.

I don't know. Yeah, it's cool. You don't have to lie either. You can be like, yeah, I said I was having problems on a balance. And you can tell her that. And then if she asks you to hang out again, you just say, you know, actually, I had second thoughts. But he blocked her, right? He blocked her and deleted the thing.

So there's nothing. It's not even like he could have been like, I just feel like absolute garbage. And, you know, even said like, hey, man, I was just in the bathroom for 15 minutes before you even got here. This just isn't going to happen for me right now. I'm sorry. None of that. He blocked, deleted, whatever. Maybe they even moved over to phone numbers and that sounds like it's blocked too. So it's just, I don't know. I just got to say I'm a little disappointed and you might even have a better story if you continued with it i don't know i would have definitely stuck it out when he says all gums he doesn't mean she has no teeth it just means that she has large gums right now she because the no teeth maybe i might that might affect my decision

making she had teeth i think it's safe to say that she had teeth i think what we're talking about here is an exposed gum line that some people the way their smiles crank, you can get a healthy dose of gum in there. No, I get it. Some people just can't rock with that at all. I didn't realize you can get that fixed. I don't know if you guys knew that. I had no idea. Shave it down?

I think they basically somehow remove that high line of your gum and your teeth get moved up. It's crazy. I saw it on Instagram. It does sound crazy. It's too too bad it's too bad he blocked the contact i know could have heard this podcast and given her a heads up all right uh one more one more a lot of a lot of breakups today folks a lot of breakups today, folks. A lot of breakups. Let's do one more. 6'4", 235. All right, big dude. Kind of long. I met a woman, 41, off a dating app.

I'm 39. We plan to meet up for our first date. I live in Texas. This is relevant because cold weather is very uncommon here. That night it was 60. I ended up wearing a nice hoodie. I just bought it for the first time. Being my height and having long arms, it's hard to find good quality hoodies that

fit. When I see her, she's wearing a dress, just a dress, nothing off of that since we'll be eating inside. But after we finished, there was a noticeable drop in temperature. Being the nice guy that I am, I gave her my hoodie to wear. She keeps it on when we say goodnight. We went on two dates after. Sometime after the third date, she let me know, hey hey we should just be friends no hard feelings knowing that i say we should get coffee thinking this is a good way to get my hoodie back when she called to confirm i said hey don't forget my hoodie which she replies i knew what this is about of course i deny it she tells me that she wasn't at home to get it fine while at coffee shop i bring up the hoodie she looks offended reminds me i said she could keep it what i actually said was

i don't mind her wearing it. She tells me she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. We finish coffee and leave. Question, how should I go about getting my hoodie back? I don't think you're getting it back. Now, the fact that she doesn't want to see you but wants to keep your hoodie is lame. Like she's and I'm assuming she's just remembering it wrong. I remember one time.

It was a long time ago but i had a like a uvm lacrosse shirt for my roommate and it was like a sick shirt it was you know one of those things in the 90s you would kill somebody for and this girl was like i'm stealing this and i was like well can you not steal it she's like well i want this she said she'd gone to some other school and i was like yeah i don't i don't really love that idea can you not just steal my my hoodie or my my long sleeve look car shirt that i'm never gonna be able to get another one of she's like no i just love it it's good and she was just so aggressive about it um that you kind of were like all right you know and i don't know why i was so passive about it because i was annoyed and i didn't really even like her anyway and i don't think i ever saw her again but um people can like the the clothing thing i think there was a pack that the women made i don't

know how many years ago it was maybe 50 years ago where they were just like hey take their hats take their awesome shorts take their hoodies take their zip ups and never relent. Never relent. Never. Because imagine if I were like to a woman that I was dating was like, oh, this blouse, I'm taking this. I'm just taking this. Oh my God, those jeans. Those are great. I'm taking them. So men have been losing this battle for a long time time um and i think she's lame that you know honestly dude if you like the hoodie that much and your body's so difficult just buy another hoodie put the whole thing to bed like you had to go on a third fourth date with her and you don't even seem to care about that part at all and you were gonna meet up with her again you're gonna get

coffee again to go get the hoodie like she doesn't want to give it back to you. And I mean, I guess you could show up to her house, but then it starts getting like really fucking awkward. And it's probably not worth it. What if it was a John Elliott hoodie though? If it's a John Elliott hoodie, I'd break into her house. Yeah, I'm going to say, I mean, maybe it's like the guy's super pumped about this hoodie.

Like, I don't know, maybe. I get why he's mad. This is a sad one. This is a sad, because I think we're all thinking about all the cool stuff we've all lost. I think everybody, probably everybody listening to it

is just like, man, I just, I remember my shortest one, my shortest little relationship that was like a full summer. She was so hot. She's like a model. And she like- Model where?

Whoa. Like a model for hire, I guess. I don't know. She's like a- Aspiring model. Yeah, aspiring model is a great way to put it a great way to put it i know um she spends like you know weekends in new york city and then does like a photo dump of like a brand you never heard of that's like you know

whatever but she's got a 15 off discount code whatever anyway she so anyway she's very active on instagram and we'd had like a summer it was great. And then I left for school and she had so much of my stuff. And then I start to see it in her like modeling things, her aspiring model things. And so I'm looking at all my jackets. I had a great Orlando magic Adidas like pleather thing. I mean, it's not expensive, but you know, for me it was. And I like see it and it's like, fuck. And I see other ones and it's just she stole, and I see other ones. And it's just, she stole all these things

and just never acknowledged that she had them. And then there are like, they're like a main piece of her Instagram content. And that just drives me nuts. So she's using your clothes. Yeah, me too. That story sucked. So many of them.

Yeah, so many of them. Probably like five good ones. No, she's, I just, she's using your clothes for content. That's amazing. That's incredible. I mean, listen, I,'s incredible i mean listen it was years ago it's still by the hoodie still here it is on the pod yeah awful give me your name let's see if we can oh no this up i'm not gonna you can type this yeah oh man i'll type it just type it in the

chat so i'll type it in the chat right we're not gonna say it on the pod um and then we'll see wow it's interesting good name right yeah all right oh yeah really good name this is so intense right now everybody feels left out uh five two um my god she's got like three of them on here that's wild multiple whoa because one with this is uh this is um impressive but do you guys got along she liked you yeah dude how long did you date for uh a full summer and she was like known around the town for being like hot. It was like my one successful DM thing that went anywhere besides like, you know, a couple of times.

And I was just, I couldn't believe it. I was like, you know what? I'm coming home. And God, you know, I've just seen you forever.

I've seen you around town a couple of times. And, you know, I never, I feel like I'm never going to get the chance to run into you because of, you know, I'm away for school so much. And she was like,

yeah, actually, that's great. Let's do something. Then it was like three months. I found this magic, baby. Yeah, I saw something. Who's this white guy? Who's this other dude? That's what everyone in the town would say. I was in a barbershop once. He's like,

you date that girl? I'm not going to say her name, but I was like, yeah. Is this guy going to punch me? Do I have to get out of this barbershop chair? But yeah, she had a bunch of my stuff still does she the two follows uh that i have that are that we share are you and an nba player too so i think that's the kind of surprise the kind of stuff that we're uh that we're dealing with not surprised one of those out of your league situations so i guess it's probably if what it cost was some of my favorite outerwear, what can you do? It's a great way of looking at it, Kyle. Great perspective. Way out of my league.

Great perspective. Okay, that'll do it for us today. Thanks to Booger, Darren Williams, Kyle, and Steve. Please subscribe to Ryan Rosillo, Ringer Podcast, Spotify, and Denver. Outro Music you