The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Putting the Thunder’s Season in Historical Context With Bob Ryan. Plus, Keegan Bradley From the Travelers Championship.

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Russillo is joined by Bob Ryan to discuss Rick Carlisle’s brilliance, the best NBA teams of all time, and the sale of the Lakers (1:53). Next, Keegan Bradley joins from the Travelers Championship to share his thoughts on his early career, winning a major championship, and the difficulties of the U.S. Open (33:54). Plus, Life Advice With Kyle (51:52)! Do I go to an NBA Finals game with my ex-girlfriend? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Bob Ryan and Keegan Bradley Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, Mike Wargon, and Jonathan Frias This episode is presented by State Farm®. Dishing the assists you need off the court. State Farm® with the Assist. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's pod we're gonna talk with Bob Ryan on game 16 NBA Finals, his love for Rick Carlisle, who is SGA, and ultimately how he was a little bit more bullish on the Pacers being competitive. I don't know how he did this. I didn't mean to talk about the 86 Celtics, but we got there. But it makes a little bit of sense on the potential to-do list topics

that you will hear everywhere if the Thunder pulled us off after a historic regular season. We're also gonna talk with Keegan Bradley, who plays golf professionally, and he's from Vermont, and he went to St. John's and his dad's coach in Jackson Hall I guess. So checks a lot of Rosillo boxes there. I'm excited because I've never really spent any time with him despite the New England background. This guy has a major, plays really well in Hartford and we're going to get to that.

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rg-help.com. Game six, the NBA finals tonight. It could be decided potentially a championship for Oklahoma city or the Pacers continuing this incredible playoff run. Joining us now, the legendary Bob Ryan. Okay, Bob, let's start with this. Paisers continuing this incredible playoff run. Joining us now, the legendary Bob Ryan. Okay, Bob, let's start with this. Were you ever thinking maybe the Paisers get game one, they get game three.

Were you ever thinking the Paisers are actually going to pull this off? I absolutely, there's a possibility. I don't think there's that much difference between the two teams, regardless of the regular season records. And I did pick Oklahoma City in six, but that doesn't mean I ruled out any possibility and also Indiana winning and also what we saw early on, you had to feel good about their possible chances.

The thing about is this up and down thing about Halliburton. And now, of course, now we have the whole complete X factor of whether about his injury, but even before the injury, the perplexing play about Halliburton. And now, of course, now we have the complete X factor of whether about his injury, but even before the injury, you know, the perplexing play of Halliburton being this multi-hero that he's been set up with these no shows or the quiet entrances, shall we say, in some of the other games, you know? And everybody was talking about that.

Anyway, I gave him a real good punchers chance. I was impressed with them from beginning of the playoffs. I and I'm aware I was aware enemy in. They had been so hot that I went back and checked their record from January 6th when they were night. They didn't go over 500 until January 6th after they had beaten the Nets. And and they went 19 and 18. So you do the math after that, how well they played.

Yeah, and it's also even more like, it's supposed to like, okay, well, how did this happen? Well, they also get healthy and they went so long without anybody, you know, really their second and third center were down and they had to try to piece that together as the season went out. And I would say that the defensive improvement was something that I wasn't sure was this real

because last year, even though they were a lot of fun and they made that Eastern Conference finals run, they were very competitive against the Celtics in those games. It always just felt like, well, if you need to score a bucket against the Pacers, you're going to get that bucket. And they have at times looked like even the better defensive team in this series, which I think is such a credit to, you know, to have the same guys look that bad defensively one year ago

to be this competitive defensively. It's the same roster. It's incredible. To do some self-examination and do it, you know, also know to what degree Rick Carlile had to do with this particular aspect of their development. We don't know, but I think he would have had to do something. He saw maybe something that he hadn't been doing with them

or whatever, who knows at all. Cause I have enormous respect and admiration. I'm rooting openly for the Pacers because of one reason, one reason, the Carlisle. Which doesn't mean I'm rooting against Oklahoma City. I have nothing against them at all. So I'll live with it, you know, no problem at all. Particularly since we've discovered that we can claim a local boy makes good

thing for Mark Daniel because LeMonster is only 70 miles rest of here. And so we're claiming him, I'm claiming him too. And Presti too. So it's really, Emerson college, downtown Boston. You can't get more downtown than Emerson college. Let's stay on Carlisle though, because I like this. This is somebody who, you know, in the years that I've had any conversations with people in the league, beginning of the year, you know, when he was at the Mavs, I'll just never forget like this one guy in particular

saying, be like, well, the Mavs aren't very good, but Carlisle will probably get him to like 45 wins. And I was like, wow. And then it was something that I would hear over and over again. Let's start with this before we make it about Carlisle. Who do you think is the smartest basketball coach that you've ever witnessed? Well, that's interesting that I've witnessed. It's easy to say pop to a degree, I guess, you know, his record does quote unquote speak for itself. He made something out of nothing particular at all, and bought

them all those championships. I think that I'll tell you who was the master of governing crap and making crap into mediocrity and but couldn't take them any higher because after a while there's always so much. Hubie Brown with the Atlanta Hawks 40 plus years ago was one of the great magician treats of tricks of all time, I think. And now am I biased a bit because I like I've known Hubie for 50 years literally? Yeah. But don't ever forget that when you're talking about coaching jobs. Hubie, the problem with Hubie,

and I speak as a friend as well, is that he was abrasive. He didn't have a second gear and he did rub the stars. He was a little too hard on the stars, I think. But boy was he good. He could elevate teams that didn't deserve to be elevated. So that's gotta be my answer. I saw what you'd be Brown over 40 years ago.

I liked that one. Okay, so Carlisle already has a championship. So we're talking about another level and here he is in this series, getting the Pacers through with all these other teams that we would have thought was going to be better than Indiana in the East. What do you think it is about Carlisle? He has proven to be adaptable. The team that he is putting on the floor has had elements, elements and moments in which you close your eyes, you see the Showtime Lakers.

moments in which you close your eyes, you see the Showtime Lakers. When they ran off those three baskets after made baskets in a very rapid succession earlier in the series, we haven't seen anything like that since the Lakers. Okay. Now, this is in contrast to a more plotting style that he had started out with. And remember, he was a defensive oriented guy. His entrance into this whole thing was Larry Bird, making him his de facto defensive coordinator. And Larry, among his many attributes, always knew what he didn't know. And he knew I want to find somebody.

And he also found a mentor, you know, wise head in Dick Carter. His assembly of his staff was masterful. Okay. So Carlisle comes in in that regard. I think that was basically still his reputation. Defensively guy oriented, et cetera, with Detroit, Indiana. And now look what he's he's governing an offensive minded team that that comes at you that attacks. So he's shown flexibility. He's just a smart guy.

I mean, I've known him since we were marveling at him for the time he came into the league. He was an older rookie. I mean, I've known him. So, you know, we were marveling at him from the time he came into the league. He was an older rookie. You know, he had an old time conventional path, you know, to high school, year of prep school, then he went to Maine, then he transferred, which meant you sat out a year.

So by the time he got out of Virginia and came to the league, he was already 24. And we knew he was a poised rookie. Also, he came in playing the piano by ear. That was always a shocker to us. And he didn't read music, but he played very, very nice piano, which he taught himself. And I guess he still does. Anyway, he's a smart guy. But he's adaptable, he's flexible, he's open-minded. He's got all the attributes you'd want, I think, in a coach. Okay. That was a great answer. All right. SGA is someone who I did not vote for MVP

just because of my default Jokic position. And I know that at times the MVP vote, you should celebrate the season. And I thought Jokic had just as good of a season for different reasons and whatever, even though in the past, I did have the MB vote that one year where I kind of felt like, do I really wanna do this? I'm like, hey, it's more about the year than it is like who the player and their standing is. And then people can accuse you of changing your mind

constantly as you navigate multiple seasons of voting on this award. But for SGA, there needed to be like, I felt like multiple national moments with this many people paying attention to him. And he has done that. He has done it multiple times now. He has had games where he's been in control of everything.

He's had games where he's needed to figure out a way to fight through adversity and all that kind of stuff. Probably game four, closing that one out. So I think he's checked a lot of, is this guy really that good at MVP boxes. He's so efficient. He's basically unstoppable once he gets to his spot. Is there anyone that you think of historically when you watch SGA play?

Well, you know, any guy who's 6566 that has the multiple skills that he has and has the, I won't say swagger. Well, the guy I'm thinking about had swagger, but has a presence. This always comes back to Michael Jordan. You're always comparing people to Jordan. He's the gold standard of the mid-size player, period, that size player. The 5'6", 5'6", 6'6", guard slash forward type, forward with guard skills, guard with forward skills, whatever. It's Michael Jordan. So you think about guys and, and, and the guy, there's a couple of guys in the league that bring that to mind, you know, who brings that to mind? Ant Man. That's, that's, he is closer in terms of, you know, the attitude, you know,

to, to Michael. And, and Kobe, of course, was the Michael light. He was Michael. The visual part of it. Yeah. So he's in that, you know, he's, is he ready? Are you ready to put him in that category? You want to see a little more? You want to see another season of it? Probably. But if you're going to ask about physical ability and, and, and, and range of skill at that, and, and, and awareness of presence and all that, and awareness and presence and all that and understanding of situations and all that. That's the gold standard, Michael.

And this guy at the present time in this league right now, he is the best at that. Is this Thunder team, like, do it for you as one of the great all time seasons? If they pull this off. Well, you win 68, you gotta enter into a discussion. I covered a 68 win team in 1972, 73, that did not win for a very simple reason.

John Alichek got hurt. That's it. And you know, they didn't win in the next one that their last championship 52 years ago, Knick fans. Anyway, I just wanted to drop that one in. So I've seen and that team was so much fun to watch. I mean, you got to put them in and you know, you got discussions when you're talking about

68. Now you're talking about that team, you're talking about the Lakers, 71-72. And of course, you're talking about the Bulls and you're talking about the Warriors. Okay. I would say that historically, I wouldn't, I don't think this team wins a seven game series against any of the aforementioned. Okay. I, I certainly don't. I think they would have gone down nobly in six and maybe even took him to seven, but I don't, but I just don't. Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I mean, you're asking me a question, give me an answer. I'm not ready to put them in that exalted level. Circumstance, but, but do I want it to track what they've done winning 68? I know how hard it is

to win 68 and, and, and they deserve full know how hard it is to win 68. And, and they deserve full credit for doing it. But I'm looking at the personnel and I know the league has changed and I know we're about we can have all that discussion forever, you know, and the evolution of the game and the three point takeover and the whole bit, you know, but would you take this team over the best warrior team when Durant was there, I wouldn't. For example. No, and I'm actually now doing a segment with you, which will be, if the Thunder pull this off

and close it out, then it's not as simple. Like you've worked in TV long enough to know that it can't just be that a team won a championship. It then becomes because they won 68 games because they have the historic point differential. Well, now what do we do now? Can we, you know, let's get cooking in the lab here. Do they beat the warriors? That'll be all over get up on Friday. If the thunder closes thing out, I would not pick them against the warriors. I think that's the best starting five. I think the game has ever seen. You might push back on that a little bit. So let's just play this out.

Give me the single season best teams. What cutoff year do we want to do? Not to be disrespectful to Russell and that whole group, but let's start it from the 70s on. Give me, you think, maybe four or five of the best single season teams you've ever seen. I mentioned them. Of course, the funny thing is Warriors won the 73, didn't win, you know, right? You know, the Bulls were the first 70 win team. You got to give them, you know, you got to give them their due. Michael and Tippen were phenomenal 1A. Rob Rodman was a force course a unique force. There hasn't been, despite Draymond Green's self praise,

we haven't seen another Rodman lately. To be able to throw in his superior rebounding and inch for inch one of the handful of great rebounders in the history of the game. Dennis Rodman, they guarded you and it was actually a little better on offensive people think. Anyway, the Warriors, you got to go with them as well.

And I'm forgetting somebody. 86 Celtics, which Lakers team? 86 Celtics. Oh, I thought we got to go with, I still think beat anybody. And here's why. If you honestly step back, suspend your anti-Boston, whatever feeling it is, they could play today's game if they had to. If they were told this is the way the game is being played now, they had sufficient three

point shooting. Bird was the early master of the three. He used it strategically. It was a part of his game. It wasn't his raison d'etre. He wasn't set. He wasn't guys to that, but he was a great three point shooter

and used it as a weapon as you used it at the time. Danny Inge led the league later on in three point shooting. Scott Wedman was a three point shooter. DJ could make them. DJ was in the category of, you know, probably would have been if he consistently. And the other thing is this, Ryan, these guys would have worked on it. If the game became the game that was today, they would have gone home.

You don't think Larry Bird would have gone home in Indiana and locked up gym for two hours every day? The damn right he would. And so they, and now here's the problem. None of these other teams could guard the Celtic front line. Now, who's going to guard McHale? Not in your dream mind. Who's going to guard Parrish? Sorry. This team was the best non-three-point mania team of all time. I would still put them up and put them on the floor against

anybody that has played subsequently. Okay. And I'm sticking with that. So if you want to get into that argument, I'm ready for it because I can tell you that team could have adapted to the new game very easily. And these teams today, not one of them could have combated the Celtic front line, still the greatest front line. Oh, and I didn't mention the trump card of Trump cards on all these discussions.

Nobody ever brought a weapon off the bench like Bill Walton. There have been a numerous six men, never one like Bill Walton in 1985-86, that altered games by his very presence coming off the bench, giving them, without any argument, nobody could possibly mount an argument, the best center of combination in NBA history, Robert Parrish and DeWalt in 1985-86. On the sixth man point, TJ McConnell with some momentum into that conversation? No? Oh, I love TJ. I'm a regional president of the fan club. You ask anybody, I'm regional

president. Yoo-hoo, TJ. And by the, when when Peyton Pritchard came along, I said, I hope that God someday he could be TJ O'Connell. Well, he is. And now and he can do threes. But you watch those two guys play defense, doggily, and you watch them get a sneaky offensive rebound every game. And they play with a certain panache and a heart. Oh, I love this. But I love TJ O'Connell. That's a different kind of six man.

There's never been one, look, the ultimate six man was still was John Alvichik. The greatest two position player in history of basketball was John Alvichik. That's still about, I know there'll be pipping fans, but they just don't get it. Okay, because they don't understand John Alvichik. Okay, but in terms of changing the game

and the nature of the way and affecting the game the way Walton did, no one ever came off the bench at seven foot to affect games as readily, continually for the entire season the way Bill Walton did. That's all I'm saying. I'm smiling because I can't imagine how jealous Bill is going to be about this because we did more on the 86 Celtics than I thought. But in the context of what we're doing with the Thunder with the 68 wins and it went away from a championship, this is what is going to happen. So you would take the 86 Celtics over any of those Lakers magic teams or even the three Pete Lakers with Shaq and Kobe?

The great ones, what I said, the greatest series that never was would have been the 86 Celtics against the 87 Lakers. Now, by 87, the Celtics were different. Their bench was shredded. Walton played only 10 games that year and had nothing to give you in the finals at all. They had no chance of beating the Lakers. McHale was hurt. They didn't have the bench they had the year before. But that was a team boy, the 87 Lakers with Kupchak and augmenting the team. Magic in his total prime. Kareem still got something left. Worthy's in his total prime. Cooper's in his total prime. Scott's in his total prime. Oh no, that would have been the greatest series ever. 86 Celtics, 87. So I would definitely put the 87 Lakers. They deserve to be in this conversation.

Okay. Speaking of the Lakers, what did you think of the sale? Well, the number is staggering. It's totally staggering. I mean, here's the thing, the Celtics number is big, it's staggering enough. 6.1 billion they're saying, okay? And that's an escalation, it's the highest that we've ever had in American professional sport. But the jump, almost a 33% jump from six to 10, and it's not the whole thing, it's 85% of it, right?

And we're told that the buses are gonna keep 15%. That's what I read yesterday. Am I right about that? Yeah, I think the 10 is the valuation. So everything's off. All right, well maybe I'm not a financial guy. So what we got is 10 billion. It's staggering.

I understand how valuable a Los Angeles franchise can be. I mean, obviously, and the Lakers, we are the, I think they, over the years,, we are the, I think they, over the years, they've caught the Dodgers as being the team in town. Even the, I think it's, it's certainly it's a good argument. I don't, I'm not going to speak for a Los Angeles person. I'm sure it's a good, wonderful argument. Who owns the town? Or nobody, or they share, they got shared joint custody of the town. I'll go with that. That's fine. But I'm,

I'm blown away by the number of course. and I don't know the finances of why, how you go from if they went to seven, if they wanted to have more, went to eight, ten. Fine. Hey, it's their money. I don't give a damn. You know, man, I'll say this. The bus, I remember the Jerry Bus family custody of the team has been exemplary. People in LA should be on their knees, thankful for what they've gotten from the

time Jerry Buspot that team in 1979. Okay. So they've gotten their money. They've gotten their emotional money's worth out of that, that, that ownership, I think. Here's something I think is interesting though, because we saw when Cuban sold, he was front and center. When the sale went through, it was like, don't worry.

Like nothing's going to change. I'm still going to be calling the shots here. Right. And at that point, you know, Cuban almost 25 years in pretty trusted. He's been a terrific owner. Right. And then I remember when he was saying a lot of that stuff, there's people around the league being like, why is he saying that? You know, that's not true.

As I'm like, I don't, you know, I didn't know. I didn't see the documents. And then we learned very quickly, it was absolutely not true. And then I thought, well, it kind of makes sense that if you're gonna be cutting a check for billions of dollars, usually those people aren't like, oh, and by the way, you get to make all the final decisions. It's not the habit that I've experienced with billionaires. So then when the Celtics deal happens, which with Wick, who again, if you're going through the list of like,

hey, give me the five best runs of owners in the NBA in recent history, Wick is clearly in that group. I think so much of the job that he's done with that ownership group, and yet there was very similar language in that he would kind of be this transitional thing and that felt at least it was different. It was being reported and it felt a lot more secure when that was announced versus the

Cuban transaction. And now here with Mark Walter buying this majority stake, it's the same thing that Jeannie's actually going to still be governor. And so it would make a little bit more sense, I think with the Lakers transaction than any of the ones we've mentioned because Mark owns the Dodgers. He's got the relationship with Magic. He's already had a minority stake

with his Lakers the whole time. So maybe, but this also starts to feel a little bit like the coach and waiting that we had in college football forever. Where it was like, we have the head coach, but we really like our defensive coordinator. So let's give them a bonus and let's put it in that in 10 years you're going to be the coach and waiting. And it was the hottest thing there for years until it just was over because people realized

how dumb it was because you were just giving a raise to a guy that still could get out of the contract. You could become a head coach if it was a good enough program. Will Muschamp is a perfect example of this. I don't know what this means. I don't know if it's a nice way of saying, sorry, we're not going to be running this anymore. But it is now three transactions in a row where it's played out with the same language.

Ultimately though, with two different, like the Cuban thing, clearly he was not in charge of basketball operations because he would have never traded Luca. I can't contradict the syllable. You're saying, I don't understand. That's how these people work. Fine, I don't get it. When You're saying I don't understand. That's how these people work? Fine, I don't get it.

When I heard, read about it, I didn't realize the Cuban, old Cuban thing. Okay, Ryan, I'm certainly well aware of what the Celtics are proposing. And when Wickram Roussbeck wants to be the governor to, to, to the, right, 2080, 30, 28, 28, talking about two more, six, yeah. So I, this is news to me. Oh, I don't get it that there's a look this is high finance people that are living in a world that we will never understand or know. I don't understand it. I don't know. And then the same thing with

the Lakers. I don't know at all. So I can tell you this is the that sounds weird to me as a layman, financial layman, and good luck to him. So I can say, I don't know. I might open up a can of worms here on this one, but you've talked about this league for a really long time. Is there anything present day that annoys you in the way we covered the NBA? In the way we covered it?

Well, no, it's nothing important. There's certain discussions which I call our talk show and talking head generated phony topics which you need because the world, you know, you got to occupy their time and we all that, you know, and it's always so much, apparently there's so much meat that you want, you now have to talk about dessert and more, which is, for example, the face of the league nonsense. Come on. Well, this is a completely manufactured topic. It has no meaning whatsoever

in the real world. It's ridiculous. Okay. But yeah, you want to argue it for 20 minutes someday. Fine. Okay. It's like in football, the elite quarterback thing that suddenly took root a few years back. Elite this, elite that. You know, I mean, you know, oh, and now we're back to, and it was generated by Tyve Saliburton's strange deformances that we've been discussing earlier about one night great, one night, you know, where is he?

Superstar, you know, where is he? Superstar, and what constitutes a superstar? Ultimately, it's a personal judgment. But anyway, does this is annoying me? No, it amuses me. By the way, hey, I've been a part of talk radio and at some point as far back as 1971 when I filled in for Johnny Most for five, for a weekend, summer of 71, he was doing an off season talk show in Boston. And I had 36 years at ESPN, which has now ended because we are off the air with Round the Horn.

So I've been part of many of these type discussions. So I'm part of the problem too. But now that I'm out of it, I'm going to sit back and say, you know, how stupid. It's not harmful to anybody, you know, it's harmless, you got to do it. But that's all. So I'm not angry. I'm trying to think of maybe you can throw something at me that I have forgotten to talk about.

But other than that, I'm just amused by some of these manufactured discussions. Yeah, look, I mean, I've probably taken part in every single one of these things that we've talked about. So I like how you said amused, not annoyed. That shows real growth as a person. But maybe the, like who's good and who isn't in the way we qualify who is good and how often it becomes the counting part of this. Okay, here we go. It's not angry. I mean, somewhere in the middle,

although I'm closer to being it's not fair. Come on people. Judging the eventual worth of a player by championships only and saying, yeah, that, or in football, you got to win, you know, multiple championships or like, oh, the other one, you push the button, you got me going now, because we have to happen here in Boston. And now they're having it in Kansas City. And they've had it many places over the years. And that is championship robust nonsense. I've lived in Boston now 60 plus years and we're championship driven and you talk about and of course the Celtics spoiled the

world, you know, 11 and 13 years at that point. And that, and that you, it's not easy to win any specific championship in any sport, any year, you need a combination of circumstances, which ultimately may include who's and it does include more and more now. Very simply, who's healthy and who isn't healthy and that determines the finals at the championships in in any sport and in a particular sport like basketball, we only have five on

the floor at the same time, you know, and you know, and as few as seven people can determine a game and at the highest level. Hockey, you know, you got four lines, you got 18 people, you got four lines and you got the two sets of defensemen minimum plus a goalie, that's 19, you know, and that's a lot of people.

And one guy missing, I'm sorry, cannot have the proportionate difference that missing a key basketball player will have. Or even missing a key football player unless it's the quarterback. So anyway, that championship thing, that's not, I heard already this morning, okay, about Kansas City and whether it's going to be a failure if they don't win this year. Oh, stop it.

Tell me, tell me who's going to be in the lineup on, you know, when the playoffs start and we can have this discussion. So that angers me a little bit. That's not fair. That's stupid. Stupid discussion because it doesn't pay attention to the reality of what goes into the making the championship team. And you need so many factors.

Thank you. I'm going to ask this last one. You're welcome. I'm going to ask this last one for my father. So non Red Sox people, just don't be upset that we did this during some NBA finals conversation. The Devers trade on father's day. So a lot of dads in the Massachusetts area didn't didn't want to hear that.

But, you know, this is a really interesting ownership group because I would imagine if I'm in the room and I'm a part of this group, like these people were losers for 80 years. And then we come in here and win all these World Series, turn this thing around. But there's something to be said of when you're an outsider. And hardcore New England, Massachusetts people probably still look at this group as outsiders.

And for the Mookie trade that was abysmal and their arguments forward at the time didn't make any sense. And then for Devers to have this happen where it felt like, well, was this an open market? Like how many teams were you talking to about potentially moving him for the haul that they got back? And you know, who knows? We're surprised all the time with prospects. But do you think the Red Sox ownership group understands how incredibly unpopular they're becoming with their momentum away from what they were for such a long time?

Not the extent, not to the extent that they should, I think, uh, uh, I don't think they do. And, uh, that's a very good question. Uh, this is this, they don't operate the same way that they did once upon a time. Uh, it's the other thing when I keep coming back to, and I think this is central to the whole issue, which is that when this group, when John Henry and company came in in 2003, that the Red Sox were his, he was the minority owner of the Yankees, and now he's the owner of the Red Sox, and that was his only

sports property. And they were the priority. They were the focus. They were the 24-7-365 focus of the sports business. Now, we have a thing called Fenway Sports Group, which includes, among other things, I can't even enumerate all of them. Liverpool, a very important franchise, far more important in the world than the Boston Red Sox are in the world. Liverpool, Benway Roush Racing, they're involved in golf, they're involved in betting deals, they're involved in, and I'm leaving some stuff out. Are the Penguins? Are the Penguins. Thank you, thank. So, how can you begin to think

that the Red Sox are anything more than just another part of the portfolio? And not the primary focus, not the, their heart and soul are not, are no longer with the only with the Boston Red Sox. And this has to factor in to finances. And I mean, it's only they're not their resources are very extensive, but they aren't finite. No one's are not even Elon Musk. Nobody's finances are finite. There's always an end to it. So I think this is part of the deal.

It had everything to do with the with the the crude, the incredible folly of the bets trade. They're still paying the price for that. And so yeah, I think this is what's going on here. And so that being the case, fans have every right to be angry. Well said. What do you got going on?

Anything you wanna promote? I wanna make sure you have the floor here. Oh, thank you. No, I'm kind of a free agent. So, you know, I'm usually just advertise my services. Because I have my own podcast, you know, I'm using this to advertise my services. Because I do, I have my own podcast, not mine, I'm a part of two podcasts. And I still write every third Sunday, which is basically once a month for the Boston Globe. Otherwise, you know, I'm out, you who, I'm available.

We'll have you on anytime you want to grace us with your presence. So thanks, Bob. Appreciate it. Enjoy the summer. We'll have you on anytime you want to grace us with your presence. So thanks, Bob. Appreciate it. Enjoy the summer. Thanks for being with me, Ryan. when life hits you with a full core press. Get a game plan that helps fit your life and talk to State Farm today. State Farm with the assist. Coverage options are selected by the customer availability and eligibility vary by state.

Okay, we've got Keegan Bradley here from the Travelers Championship, TPC River Highlands, the only PGA Tour stop in the Northeast. There's only one. Keegan, before we get started, some quick facts on myself. I went to Vermont. I have family who lives in Woodstock. One's a postman. So if you have any issues with mail, I grew up a huge St.

John's fan going back to Chris Mullin and Walter Berry and then on and on. I was arrested in Jackson Hole. Wow. This understanding. And my grandmother worked for travelers for 30 years. So this is what's up, man? How did it take this long, right? You got all the connections there.

Yeah, so anyway, I just couldn't believe, like I think we almost met once at a wheels up thing and then it didn't quite, I think we almost met once at a Wheels Up thing and then it didn't quite, I think Russell Wilson's security got in the way. I would, yeah, there's not a lot of UVM grads that grew up St. John's fans. That's a strange combination. So what's your combo to it?

Because it sounds like the Wyoming part of it was connected to your father, but like, I know you went through the skiing thing and you know, I've gone to college with a lot of kids that were in the ski academies and like Southern Vermont and stuff. So what was it, what was it like for you, your path to becoming a professional golfer? Yeah. So I grew up in Woodstock, Vermont and you know, I grew up playing all sports, but my two main sports were golf and skiing, ski racing. And as I got older, I kind of had to sacrifice soccer and baseball because I couldn't, the season was so short

that if I played one of these sports, I literally would have two months of golf. So, but I played all sports growing up. And then in the, in the winter time, I put my clubs away and I was just as into and just as excited for the ski racing season to start as I was golf. And then when it started to become spring, I couldn't wait to get my clubs back out. I always loved golf more than skiing, but I had this really cool, both the sports were important to me and I couldn't play both at the same time, just physically from the weather. And I was always a better golfer and I always loved it more,

but skiing was a huge part of my life back then as well. So when you're a Northeast guy, and you're right, I mean, there's almost no spring in Vermont. It's cold, it's muddy, and the next thing you know, it's summer. And that transition is not a very long one, and then it's over. It's like hot for a week in September

and then it's like now you're gonna be freezing. And so when you're thinking about like, all right, can I do this? And you're good enough to play in college, but were you at any point thinking like, should I move? You know, was the family ever like, he has like a chance to be really good.

Should we move to a more year round climate to play the sport? Well, that wasn't really an option for us. I mean, both my parents were hardworking people. And I moved to Boston my senior year of high school to my dad was a club pro at a course called Hopkins and Country Club. And they had a really good high school golf team.

So that was sort of my version of version of moving south was moving to Boston, which basically was Florida from growing up in Vermont. You could balls on the Cape all year long. Like that was, people would talk about the winters and hop can in mass. Like, and I'm like, no, these aren't winter spread of Vermont. But I went to a high school called Hopkins high school. And there was another kid on the team named John Curran, who became my best friend and played on the tour with me actually for a handful of years. And, you know, that was, I met John, John was the first kid that I had ever met

that was into the sport like I was. And I had this partner that I could go play with in the sleeting rain and in the horrible New England weather. And so that move did help me a lot because I had never met anybody. You don't meet many people in Vermont with the same passion that I had for golf

and the drive that I had to play the tour. And I met John at the same dream and grew up in the same, you know, New England, Northeast. And that was a big moment in my life. I got way better. He was better than me. He was one of the best juniors in the world at the time. And it was a big moment in my life. I got way better. He was better than me. He was one of the best juniors in the world at the time. It was a big moment in my golf career. So why St. John's?

The only school that gave me a scholarship was St. John's. I didn't get recruited by anybody. I was a pretty good player. I won a lot of tournaments, but I won a lot of tournaments in the Northeast. I won one AJGA, which is high at that level. But I remember I got a recruiting letter from URI, which was like University of Rhode Island, which is if you're going to the school in New England for golf, that's it. They had a pretty good team. So I go down there, I go on the recruiting trip,

the campus is beautiful. I was like, D1, this is unbelievable And we sit down and it's finally time to talk about the scholarship money. And the coach said, we're going to give you 15% scholarship. And I'm like, dude, I can't, we can't afford, we, I was either a full scholarship or no college. Like that was like, you know, or I got to figure something else out. So I went on my recruiting trip to St. John's, which is the only other school that asked me to come to their school.

And I went to schools in Queens, New York, way different than URI. You know, I'd never spent much time in New York and Queens is, it's a real tough, that's a tough place. Going up in Vermont and Boston area. And we get to finally, it's time to talk about the scholarship part portion. And my coach, Frank Darby said, oh, we're gonna give you a full scholarship. And my dad and I, we played it all cool.

And then we left the restaurant. We were like high-fiving and like jumping around. And I remember the coach called me the next day, or shortly after, he's like, what are you thinking? I'm like, full scholarship, I'm there. What are you talking about? I'm in, and that's how I ended up going there. And look at the benefits now.

We're back. I feel a little guilty about going to one school and then rooting for the other. And I feel like with football, I'm justified for just making a team and falling in love with LSU down south. But the St. John's thing, it's just, it's very hard for me to remove that

even though I feel bad doing that to John Becker. But now, you know, Patino's there. I was a little, little worried at first, but I think, you know, this was fun. It was fun to care again like this. There's, there's just something about basketball in New York. It's just like going to a game in Queens or in the garden is just, it's so special. It's so different. There's a buzz about the basketball in New York and there's a buzz about taking the train into Madison square garden, Penn station and going to a game.

And I had never had any good teams. And I graduated in 08. So like I was there from 05, 04, 08. They were all terrible. Like we went to a couple NCAA tournaments, lost in the first round, that type of thing. Here comes Patino and I always have to be careful to get my hopes up. Then he comes in and it's just like a fairy tale.

Mike Rapoli, who's a St. John's graduate, has been a big part of the success there as well. It's so fun to be in the national conversation, turn on ESPN and hear them talking about St. John's. It's just been great. Yeah. What do you got? I'm trying to think. You got Darryl Hill? They were ranked the number one transfer school in the nation this year. They got all the top guys and they're saying, top five, top three pre-season ranking coming up this year. Hey, look, it's the most I've ever paid attention

to the transfer portal because it took me a little while to buy back into it. And then, I don't know, that Arkansas game, it kind of made sense that too. I went, I was there, I brought my son, we flew up, like it was devastating. But I do remember when Patino, earlier in the year, said he's not even, wasn't even gonna recruit a high school player.

Not one high school player, it was just only Portal. So it's pretty tough, but it's, if you get the players, it's great. Your career, so you tied for seventh, do I have this right, you tied for seventh in your first ever event? Second event. Second event, right? You tied for seventh in your first ever event? Second event. Second event, right?

So that's out in Hawaii? Cause you were rookie of the year, right? I was. Were you like, yeah, I got this. No, I never was. I was terrified the whole time. I had this singular goal my whole life. Like I was just a savage about this.

This wasn't fun. It was fun, but this was as serious as I could. I had no backup plan. I didn't have a family business to fall back on. This was it. And I came out on tour. I was frothing. I couldn't, I didn't wanna make any friends.

I didn't wanna, this was my chance to, to make my mark, to make money for myself and my family to, you know, fulfill my dreams. And I was ready to go right from the start. And that for a rookie, that your West coast swing can really determine the rest of your career, even just your first, your first West coast swing. And luckily I was at a good one. swing can really determine the rest of your career. Even just your first, your first West coast swing. And, uh, luckily I was at a good one. Yeah. Cause that's, wow, that's actually really interesting.

So you feel like that, that first start, the way the calendar starts going all the way out there, it could, like you feel like you've seen multiple examples of kind of make or break your introduction there for the confidence part of it, the mental part of the games that we're saying? All of it. And they have this thing called the reshuffle when you're a rookie. So you get slotted into these categories,

and that's how you get into tournaments. And they reshuffle after about seven, eight events, every seven, eight events. So you can start the year in a great priority area. If you get off to a bad west coast swing, you shuffle way down, and then you stop getting into tournaments. And I had tons of friends that had bad west coast If you get off to a bad West Coast swing, you shuffle way down and then you stop getting into tournaments.

And I had tons of friends that had bad West Coast swings. That's it. You're getting into an event here or there. And then all of a sudden you're in one event this month and like this, you have to play well in this tournament or you don't, you reshuffle lower. So you know, that a lot of times as a rookie, you're not aware of how important this is, but I've seen it a million times. It's, it's, I think back on it now, I'm more stressed thinking back on it than I was then. I didn't realize how important it was.

This is a weird question because you're still young. Um, cause I know some could frame it as like to have that one major, you know, like you did it once. But then if you answer like, Hey, at least I can say I did it once. And it's like, Oh, is he mentally checked out on the rest of this stuff? Which I know is not the case with you. And you've, you've put together a nice run again here. You, and you won this event just a couple of years ago, but having that one. Just to be able to say you did it.

Is it still too early for you to appreciate it? I, over the last, I'd say two or three years, really two years of my career, I've started to really appreciate it. I've actually made a conscious effort to try to appreciate things more on my career. Like my last one at the BMW, I was trying to take a second

on the 18th green and look around and look at people's faces and like burn it in my memory because I won the BGA. I didn't even, I had the trophy in my closet for two years. I didn't even look at it. I didn't like, I, it was like, all right, I won that time to move on. And I really regret it. So I, like, I took a moment on the BMW to look around and remember the sounds, remember the way it smelled. I did it at the last round of the President's Cup this past year, not knowing if it was gonna be my last team event.

I went out and I just closed my eyes. I listened to the crowd. I listened to the first tee and I try to appreciate that more. And now when I look back on winning that PGA, I appreciate it a lot more now than that than I did back then for sure. Do you appreciate it, especially after having to get through this past weekend? Yeah, my goodness.

That's just so brutal. I, I think that's just so brutal. I can't even. How bad is it? I mean, let me just, I'll start with this. I do think fans like to see you guys for four days struggle. It's just so brutal. How bad is it? I mean, let me just, I'll start with this. I do think fans like to see you guys for four days struggle in a very selfish, entertain-y way, which is kind of fucked up, right?

But you know, like, at least there's one tournament that's a mess, but then you add in the weather, you add in everything else. I don't blame, and this is the part where I would defend the players, it's like, hey, leave these guys alone if they're going to be pissed and throw a club because this is a mental beating. Like give me a break. Who cares? For sure. So the way I describe Oakmont is every major championship golf course has a characteristic of what makes it hard. You know, Torrey Pines is super long, it's got rough. Shinnecock's got crazy I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T.

I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T.

I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to say that I'm a fan of the T. I'm not going to make at least bogeys. Like you're, you're, you're so, you know, they're standing on the first hole. It'll, you can't see the fairway. The fairway is 15 yards wide. It's straight downhill. So winds off the left. You know, if I don't hit this fairway, I'm probably going to make five, maybe six, cause the green is insane.

And then, and then if you do hit a perfect drive and hit a perfect shot on the green, you could have 30 feet at Oakmont and you are screwed. Like you're, you're looking around to see how we roll it down this hill. So it only goes six feet by, or how can I, how can I roll it? I have to get this ball past all, cause I don't want three feet coming down. If I miss that, it's going 15 feet by. So it's, it's a, you walk off the golf course. Like I always tell my wife, like I can't,

you could ask me what two plus two is sometimes. And I'm like, it's hard to, my brain, it's your scrambled. Um, and I think Oakmont of all the major championship golf courses, I think that's the toughest. Yeah, that was, uh, I didn't know much about JJ spawn. You know, I'm a very casual golf guy, but as I was watching that last round playout, it's always my favorite major. It just is, you know, because it's a little bit more challenging. I know the open is, you know, the kind of golf purist way to look at it, but I just love what JJ was doing and whether it was the drive on 17 where it's, it's just like, what, do you find yourself now? I'm not expecting everybody to get along,

but do you think you guys are more forgiving towards each other because you know how hard it is to stay locked in in this game? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think also this generation has a much better outlook on life on tour. I came out, I thought everyone was against me. I used to like make up stuff in my head

that they thought about me, like I was sick. Wait, wait, that's being from the Northeast. Yeah, it's demented, I hate it. I hate that side of me. But that's part of what made me me. But these guys now, they're proper friends. Like they go, when they go on vacation with families, they go with their friends out here.

They, they genuinely care for each other. They want each other to do well. I didn't feel that when I was out in Tor, like I would get pissed if like one of my peers beat me here. And I, I really have learned a lot from them. Oh, uh, I feel just in the past like five, six years getting to know them, they have such a better outlook on their career in that they genuinely feel good for their friend and for their,

for another player that they've seen work their way up and work hard and win. And I think that's one of the reasons why I've, I've had a better time out here is because I've sort of tried to take on that, that little better outlook. And I And I envy that about these guys. 06.05.00 Okay. It's not the same thing, but you get the Tatum injury, the Devers trade that happened after Bill and I taped on Sunday. So we didn't even get it in there. Do you feel like you are ready to turn things around for the region and put together a nice weekend here, the Travelers?

06.05.00 I would love that. Speaking of the Devers trade, my son Logan, it's his favorite player. And I texted my wife, I said, you better tell him that Devers was traded. And she said, she's seven. He said, she said, you better, you better lose weight. You better tell him.

So yesterday I take him down, I sit him down and I tell him, and he threw a temper tantrum. I've never seen him react like this, crying, running around the house. So the Devers topic is a touchy subject in our house, but I would love to anytime I come to the Northeast New England, I feel an obligation to represent the people and the kids that are growing up here that have to do winters and then they get beat by all these kids from the South. And I do feel an obligation to represent them properly

and whether that's the way I carry myself but also more importantly, the way I can play. And I take a lot of pride in that. Totally, man. I mean, and that's when I first learned about you. Those are even back to the Van Pelt days. So like, oh, there's this guy from Vermont. What are you talking about? Like, and then when you say Woodstock, you go like, oh, they have a place there,

which is the same thing for me. Like where I'm from, it's like, I don't know. He's from there, from there. I'm like, they, they chose to live there all 12 months. And even when I started the interview being like, do you think about moving anywhere else? And you're looking at me being like, Hey dude, this wasn't like some, yeah, dad, we're moving to South Carolina for Keegan's golf career being like, Hey dude, this wasn't like some, yeah, dad, we're moving to South Carolina for Keegan's golf career.

Uh, rooting for you. I always am because of the connection and you're right about that Northeast. And I granted, I knew your schedule is usually packed during the summer. If you need to get on Williston just outside of, I have guys, just let me know. I'm always looking for guys to get me on Williston. I've been looking for the guy and you're the guy. Done. Thanks, buddy.

Cool. Thank you. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you

what's required. This is the part of the episode where we do life advice. LifeadviceRR at gmail.com. That is the email. We get Kyle and Wargon quick show announcement. This is big news. We have an extra show for you tomorrow. So we didn't have it open today because we have game 6 the NBA finals So we'll see what happens, but tomorrow we have San Basini Deep dive on the draft stuff and Steve Michael and coach Rutgers who has not only Dylan Harper the number two pick But ace Bailey who? Will see

See where he goes doesn't seem to want to go anywhere right now At least to work out and visit ahead of time. The only American prospect that hasn't visited anybody. Or maybe there's been a secret visit. Who knows? Okay, so just a little show announcement. Because today's pod impacted by tomorrow's pod. How is everybody? Good, great. Yeah, my verner's in the in the mail shout out to that guy who sent the $20 Amazon I got the, uh, verners in the, in the mail. Shout out to that guy who sent the $20 Amazon.

I got the stones to open the link and I added it and, uh, yeah, it should arrive today. Did he ask for any feed picks or anything? No, no. I mean, you, you forwarded me the thing. So, uh, you know, as far as I can tell, it's no strings attached. Okay. Famous last words. I don't know.

We'll see. Oregon, you feel a little left out right thing? That was totally on me to connect you with the guy. Totally on you. Yep. Yeah. Wow. There was some... That was answered in a way where there had been daily anticipation of when is the show going to... We got a side text going, me and Mike.

So, yeah. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. Yep. Yeah, wow. There was some, that was answered in a way where there had been daily anticipation of when is Ursillo going to. We got a side text going, me and Mike, so, you know. We're fully up to speed on who's supposed to do what. It's like, how long can we wait

before we bring it up to him again? Have you debated whether or not you can bring it up to me and be like, hey, what's going on with those free, nice TVs, Ursillo? No. I wouldn't blame you. Would not blame you at all. Uh, I'm going to say, I'm going to get to it right now, but

checks in the mail, huh? All right. Checks the mail does eventually get there. I'd like to, I'd like to think I eventually do. I think you're right. I say I'm going to do golf clubs. Thank you. Just takes some time sometimes, you know,

makes the payoff really even better. Honestly. Yeah, really. That's to my golf clubs. Thank you. It just takes some time sometimes. Makes the payoff really even better, honestly. Yeah, really. That's why I do it. It takes longer. I just want to build the anticipation. All right. Let's go with some girlfriend situations here. This guy sent it in multiple times, so maybe tonight is the night.

I don't know. All right. So get this. I might be going to the NBA finals with my dad and my high school ex-girlfriend. That's not a joke, the actual guest list, me, my old man and the first girl, whoever saw me naked and didn't immediately call the police. So here's how it happens, out of nowhere,

years of no contact, she texts me, says, you and Coach wanna come to the finals with me. Coach, just like that, like it's totally normal. No how's your wife, how's the baby, no remember when we dated and my mom drove us to prom, just full confidence, like this is a thing people do all the time. All right, yeah, years of no contact.

What's up now, adult lives? That's a little aggressive. And apparently she's dating a thunder player now, whatever that means. I didn't ask too many questions. I don't want to end up in the credits of an E60 episode. Very theatrical cat we got here. Now, for background, this girl's a few years older than me in high school,

big time baller, my dad coached her, total stud. Meanwhile, I was this 6'6", 230 pound loaf of bread with decent footwork. Like if someone taught a vending machine how to hit a pick and pop three. Good writer. I had zero athleticism, couldn't jump over a phone book. I was basically Markisol. Markisol had asthma and still get nervous around substitute teachers. Anyway, somehow we dated. Wow. Because of the 6'6". if she was good at hoops and you were six six, you

know, sometimes that's all you need, brother. I had zero athleticism. Couldn't jump over a phone book. We recovered that. Um, and by dated, I mean, she drove, she paid and she taught me how to drive and how to not breathe through my mouth in public. She's the one who taught me the big leagues. If you know what I mean, it was less of a romance and more of a

basketball themed internship. Fast forward to today. I'm married to a guy named, uh,, if you know what I mean. It was less of a romance and more of a basketball-themed internship. Fast forward to today, I'm married. I got a one-year-old kid. I do things like compare interest rates and say, quote, let me check with my wife first. Life is good, peaceful, safe. I'm not a Thunder fan really. I'm a diehard Lakers guy. I grew up worshiping Kobe.

That was my guy, ruthless mama mentality. Every shot was life or death. Felt like he was trying to avenge his ancestors every time he got to the elbow. And now she pops back into my life, like quote, you and coach want to go see the thunder with me. Oh, and apparently I think what happened to this email?

Did he just repeat it? Yeah. That part was already in there twice. So there's some serious copy and pasting going on here. So I lived in OKC for a bit. I liked the Thunder great young team, Chet Hongrim. It looks like an air conditioning duck came to life. This guy's really, really laying it on here.

Yeah. And of course there's SGA Superstar. I love the guy, but man, the foul baiting. It's like watching someone try to sue Augusta Nguyen. I would say as an editor, this is too many metaphors. I loved it early on. You'd write back, pick four, and then get back to me. Yeah.

Yeah. He'll go full Broadway, flails around like he gets shot in the spine of someone, looks at him sideways, and the refs are like, yeah, that's a foul. And I'm at home screaming, he wasn't even touched, but I digress. So now I can explain this whole final situation to my wife, hey babe, gonna be out of town for a couple days, going to OKC with my dad

and the woman who broke me in like a pair of Jordans. What could go wrong but it's the finals. You don't say no to that, you just start thinking about what kind of apology flowers you'll need on the way home. So yeah, I'm probably going unless you all tell me not to. Basically my marriage and life is in your hands. Dude, there's so many things at play here.

I think you have to ask her rather than tell her. Just because of the dynamics of this. Like I think, A, yeah, your dad being there, if you guys are, if she's tight with your dad and you're like, they feel like they have a relationship or if he's just a guy that she sees twice a year, you know, maybe he wouldn't feel like such of a chaperone if she doesn't know him that well.

But if you know they have a good relationship, her and your dad, your wife, I mean, not the person that he coached, because it sucks that she also has a real relationship with your dad, this person that you're gonna possibly go with. But I think this is totally an ask and not a tell. Like, it's not like a, you know, forgive me, please, with, you know, some fucking daisies from Trader Joe's. But like, this is like, you and not a tell. Like it's not like a, you know, forgive me please

with, you know, some fucking daisies from Trader Joe's. But like, this is like, you have to have her say yes to this. You know, it would help if she had a family of her own. It sounds like she doesn't, she's dating a guy on the thunder, which maybe you could say that. It's like, come on, I'm not gonna outrank this guy in her mind.

But this is certainly, the fact that your dadrank this guy in her mind, but this is certainly, the fact that your dad has this relationship with her where he spent a bunch of time with her, I don't know, even if the relationship is good between your wife and your dad, this is totally an ask and I would probably expect a no. God, I don't know. I would think it's an ask too,

but there's no way she wants to do anything with our guy, right? Like he's got a little Mary and she's dating a Thunder player. Yeah, suddenly She's like better pick up that prom date. It just doesn't make any sense I wonder if this was more I'd love to bring my coach to the things sort of like me I'd like to bring my dad to the Masters and it's just like yeah Plus one I don't have his number anymore. And this is the way to get to him. I have no idea. But yeah, it doesn't sound like she's been like yearning to get you in a basketball seat, you know, in an arena. It might be like she just wants

to reconnect with the coach and she's like, I can do this really cool thing for him and you're the conduit. I don't know. That's a good point. All right, just for the housekeeping part of this, the email's been sent multiple times. It was sent again this morning. So that's when we finally flagged it. So this would be game seven. Game seven. If you're talking about going to OKC.

So I don't know if it has anything to do with you. I don't know if it's someone, because like you. I don't know if it's someone, cause like, pardon me, what if the Thunder player is really good? And then his girlfriend is sitting next to a six foot six guy. Is this guy good looking? Does that mean Pacers plus nine and a half? You know, I don't know.

Cause the, hey, she's dating, like there's one way you could look at it and be like, she doesn't care about you. She's with the guy, the thunder, who knows? Like size is size, clearly she's into it. This has nothing to do with how you feel. It really has nothing to do with how her relationship is going with the player. It has nothing to do with any of the dynamic, even though I think the master's dad thing is like,

yeah, that's pretty cool. If she cares that much about the father and wants to repay the favor and all the guidance and all the wisdom and the little life lessons that she's appreciating as she ages. And all that stuff. And like. Maybe she clicked with this Thunder player with all the basketball knowledge she gained from this guy's dad.

Right, right. But the thing that, the real thing we should be asking is what's your wife like? Yeah. What's your wife like? Because there are wives that are very cool that would go, yeah, I don't care. Girl's a beast anyway, you know?

Like, not worried about it. Like, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don very cool that would go, yeah, I don't care. Girl's a beast anyway, you know, like not worried about it. She's already with somebody else. That's fine. Maybe your wife's like that. There are many that are not like that. That would be like, absolutely not. Even if it was the safest thing ever. Like, wait, you talk to your ex? Yeah, we work in the same business. We check in every three or four months. How dare you? So look, I think this is basically you understanding

the scattering report of your wife. And if you're gonna go to the finals and not tell her and handle it afterwards, I mean, who would ever think, yeah, that's a good idea. Unless you just in one of those relationships where you are a bit like early talk radio days, where it is. Beg for forgiveness instead of asking for permission. That was one of the first things that was ever told.

Like, and what can we do? What we not do? It's like, I would rather you beg for forgiveness and ask for permission. Because if you're asking for permission, then you're not going to be as good at this job. That was my grounds crew philosophy. That's for sure. Yeah. I got to tell you, I don't know if there's many people walking down the aisle where they're exchanging vows and going, I want you to beg for forgiveness instead of asking for permission. I think that's slightly different in a marriage than it is grounds crew,

wargon, you got one for us, summer stock maybe, you know, just improv. You haven't done improv? No, do I give up an improv on? That was improv right there. Maybe it's the shirt today. The shirt today tells me maybe you did improv. I don't know. Okay. Today is a shirt that says maybe.

Yes, pal. I like that, I think. Wargon, you could say literally fucking anything at this point, and I'm just gonna go, oh. I like that, I think. We're gone. You could say literally fucking anything at this point and I'm just gonna go, oh. Fuck yeah. So if you would said it, I did improv. I would not be surprised if you said that I didn't,

it's not for everybody. But what I do know is that you're probably gonna avoid doing any kind of improv. Like how's your wife with a one-year-old not gonna know that you're going to the NBA finals for game seven? How are you gonna pull any of that off? So whatever the dynamic.

Did he, he didn't say that. He was just like, he was like, I'm gonna tell her that I'm booking flights. Like, I don't think it was gonna be a, if she finds out after situation, he was just like, I'm gonna come home with flowers and lay the news on her that dad and I are, you know, wheels up tomorrow. I mean, yeah, this is an overnight trip.

Right. Yeah. So you're right. Hey babe, going to be out of town for a couple of days, going to OKC with my dad and the woman who broke me in, again, like a pair of Jordans. So, well, just ask, I guess. Just ask. Just ask and prepare.

Save those texts. Show her it came out of nowhere, but. If it's game seven, this might not even matter, so. The dad element is huge. Like we cannot apply the same standard to my ex-girlfriend from high school wants me to go to a game with her and it's gonna be the two of us. I don't think anybody would even send that email.

I think everybody can figure that one out on their own. The fact that the father has the history. And she called him coach. So I think Kyle might be onto something there. Yeah. Well, look, it depends solely on her. If she says no, what are you gonna do? Go.

Can you even do that in a marriage? Kyle deferring to you here. You have to kind of, like if she says you can't go, then you can't go, right? I think so. Yeah, that's what I'm hearing. I think so. All right, good luck. Good luck.

All right, where should we move? 6-1, 165. Quick aside, I hear people make player comps like Steve Nash, but if he couldn't pass or run our tests without the tenacity, it's like saying, I need a shot of whiskey without the alcohol. Got some real Twain's on our hand here lately. I am in the Navy and finishing up school here in Connecticut. Six month old twins and my wife currently is in military housing and relatively enjoying the New England vibes. I'm from Alabama. She's from Philly. twins and my wife currently is in military housing and relatively enjoying the New England vibes. I'm from Alabama, she's from Philly. So we see her side of the family more often. I'm not really

bothered by it, but she loves being close, but not to where, but not necessarily where we would move would be a deal breaker. So he's saying it's not, they don't necessarily have to be close. I was presented with a dream sheet. So I can't just list the top three cities I want to be stationed in. The tricky part is that some cities require a six to nine month deployment versus a couple of cities requiring a one to three month deployment, but the cities where the shorter deployment are pretty shitty in regards to growing a family and buying a home

for future real estate investments. So here we go, boys. You get your pencils? The list of options are San Diego, six to nine a home for future real estate investments. So here we go, boys. You get your pencils? Yeah. The list of options are San Diego, six to nine months. Bangor, Washington, not Maine, one to three months. Kings Bay, Georgia, one to three months. New London, Connecticut, six to nine months. Norfolk, Virginia, six to nine months. Hawaii, six to nine months. Guam, six to nine months. What six to nine months, Guam six to nine months. What would you all choose in this scenario? Well, I'll just jump the line here. Norfolk

six to nine months is a complete non-starter. Really? I was going to be on my list. What's going on there? I used to go to Portsmouth Invitational. I don't think you want to live there, man. Um, with these other options, I don't know Kings Bay at all. I definitely don't know Bangor, Washington. Uh, I know New London and it sounds like, you know, you're already there. Yeah. That's cool.

I imagine that's probably where he is. Yeah. Right. So if he's in the Navy and he's down there, no London's cool. You're close to a bunch of different things too. I mean, would I wanna move to New London full time? No. So I should probably, shouldn't even say like, hey, New London's cool.

Look, I don't know what's wrong with the Hawaii experience. If it's six to nine months, then just do it. And you're gonna be back. And you're gonna have this really cool experience that, one of the things you start getting older, like how many it and you're going to be back. And you're going to have this really cool experience that, you know, one of the things you start getting older, like how many other things am I going to be able like, well, I ever live here? Will I ever do this or ever I do these things?

And rarely will you have the flexibility in your life to do any of this kind of stuff, granted the military, um, some would call it the flexibility. So we call it predetermined consequences of what it is like to have a career in this. Like I have an uncle that's now retired, Border Patrol, but they lived all over the place and it was kind of an adventure. Yeah, well, you know, you're wondering

where my sourcing's coming from. So I don't know, any of you guys have any favorites, least favorites from this group? I think my personality would have taken Hawaii out of it, but that's certainly the coolest option. Like just me, even when it comes to like- Not Guam? Definitely not Guam. Even if like, also I heard things are more expensive there. I mean, you know, talk about the price of eggs. What does that cost in Hawaii? Cause I mean, I don't know if-

Dude, no politics. I don't know if it comes- Chickens everywhere in Hawaii though. I don't know if it comes with more money no politics. I don't know if it comes. Chickens everywhere in Hawaii though. I don't know if it comes with more money going to Hawaii or if it's just like, hey, those same paper towels. I mean, have you seen the price of bounty lately? I mean, they're talking 24 bucks for 12 rolls. You do the math.

I wonder what that is in Hawaii. But like outside of all that, I think it's just more like one of those things where it's like, ooh, that seems like a lot. So I probably wouldn't do Hawaii, even though if you are that kind of guy who's like adventure guy, fuck yeah. I think Hawaii is certainly the the move San Diego's sick. I honestly I'd probably stay in Connecticut be like man Seems like a lot of work going everywhere else on this list

I would probably stay in Connecticut, especially if my wife was like, you know, it'd be great to Continue to see my family, you know on a semi regular basis I would have stayed in Connecticut, but if we're, this seems like a bit of an adventure guy and I don't know, it's his young family. So it's not like a big deal if it's like we're taking him out of school, right? He's got like one-year-old twins or something, he said. So I guess everything's on the table.

I think Hawaii is the coolest. San Diego would be my second choice, but I would probably stay planted in Connecticut if it was me. Yeah, I think I'm Hawaii one, San Diego two. This is just the perfect time to do this. If you're trying to do like a West Coast swing, like now's the time before the kids are going to be in school and then it's sort of, you know, you're pulling away from their friends,

which might happen anyway based on you being in the military. But I would do this now, you know, get that adventure out of the way. I'm also curious about like Georgia, just one of those cheaper to live states. Especially if it's like a, this is totally temporary. I got a buddy who used to be a teacher in Georgia and he's like, man, I didn't make much, but it didn't cost much. So, uh, I've always wondered about that, but I'll probably never do something like that. I don't know Kings Bay at all.

Uh, my experience in Georgia wasn't necessarily my favorite. I had a friend who lived outside of the city, it was right after school. We went down to visit him a couple of times and then I took his car. I was like, I wanna do some exploring. I like check this place out and take it easy Georgia folks. You're not gonna like this, but it was just town after town.

I was like, ho, all right. Ruby Tuesdays, Marshalls, Home Depot, Coles, Barnes and Noble. What's the pet supply place? And then it would be all this like scrub brush oak. And then 15 minutes later, stoplight. It was like the same fucking thing. I thought I was lost.

I was like, did I just go the wrong way? It was like, no, this is a completely different town. I was like, is it? A completely different town. So totally unfair to Georgia because that was my very limited experience to it. But I've spent time and- Go ahead, sorry. Go ahead.

I was about to say, I tell you what I wish was on this list. Cleveland, Ohio. I am a stand for Cleveland, Ohio. The one and only. The one and only dude. What has you so hot on Cleveland right now? You know, maybe it was the buzz of the finals. It was 2018, but man, uh, that was, that was some good living there. I was checking out, um, some of it like on the main strip there sort of by, I

think it's Flannery's is the Iris Bar, and then you got Quicken Loans, and you could see that casino just teasing you and the lights down the street from the Flannery's, and you're like, should I? I don't know. And then I was in that main strip of apartments, tall ceilings.

I was like, let me just pull up apartments.com real quick. We're talking $1,400, two bedrooms, high ceilings. I don't know, man. I just, I liked it except for that last day that was a strong wind from, I believe, the West. And boy, it smelled like manure the whole day. And there was like, yeah, sometimes you can't help that. But small price to pay.

Rock and roll Hall of Fame. I don't know. I like the- I gotta tell you, I'm just checking out this Bangor base right now. I mean, you were in it. I was not that far away from Victoria right now. I was looking at the Georgia one. You're basically on the Florida border.

45 minute drive to Jacksonville. Florida-Georgia line? Yeah, there you go. There's so much better live. Guam, I got nothing for you. That seems a little too adventurous, unless you're an adventurer. So what kind of guy are you?

Educated votes, San Diego, it depends. If you're spending a lot of time in the city, you're probably not gonna be spending that much time in the city. So I think you'd be fine. I think the city of San Diego leaves something to be desired. I think the surrounding areas are incredible. Check out Del Mar, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know that you're gonna be able to afford those. Norfolk is a no. New London's a meh, but you know. It's easy. It's easy. It's easy or near kind of other places that you can go to. I vote Hawaii. You'll probably never ever do it again in your life.

Although this Bangor base and the proximity to stuff in BC and Seattle, like there's a lot going on here. There's a lot going on that I like, and I don't know anything about it. Wolfman territory, huh? Where, over there? Did you see that movie? Uh, Teen Wolf? No, no, no, Wolfman, dude.

This was 2024. Didn't see that one. Good one. It's on Peacock now, I think. All right, well there you go, shout out to Peacock. Those of you who have not canceled your subscriptions after the Chiefs playoff came two years ago. Should I have my much wealthier girlfriend help pay rent?

What's up guys, 25 years old, 6'3", 250. We got some fucking beasts chiming in today. 295 squat, still got the bouncer thrown on our fast break, Dunkin' Rec League. I live and attend law school full-time in a big Midwestern city heading into my second year. My girlfriend and I have been together for two years. Her lease is up at the end of the month, and while she's been searching for a one-bedroom apartment in the same neighborhood, prices are just above her budget. Her target's around three grand a month,

but everything she's looked at is coming in above that. That's quite the three grand a month in Chicago. I guess you're kind of looking at like the hotter, I'm not gonna share everything here, but one of the hotter areas. So we agreed it's not worth rushing into a lease just to overpay, especially since it's, since in about 15, 16 months when my current lease ends, So we agreed it's not worth rushing into a lease just to overpay, especially since it's

since in about 15, 16 months when my current lease ends, we plan to move in together officially. Yep. This is a yes. So I offered Kyle doesn't need any more facts. You're making it official in 15 to 16 months, let her pay you. So I offered a short term solution moving with me and my roommate, lifelong best friend, and his girlfriend, essentially fourth roommate, two dogs, got a great setup, no tension, everyone gets along, bunch of professional people all on the same page at a very early age.

I like it. I'm impressed with all of you without knowing you. The girls are becoming best friends. She'd stay with us temporarily while waiting for rates to drop and restart the apartment hunt around Halloween. Now here's where I need help. Should I ask her to split the rent? Should she cover the utilities or neither? Some numbers I paid just over $1,900 total right now. So a split with her would be a thousand bucks each.

With utilities, it's about a thousand dollars all in for her. For show purposes only. Okay. So he's throwing me some more math here. For show purposes only, okay. So he's throwing me some more math here. Relationship is strong, money talk isn't awkward, but I'm conflicted. I'm the one who encouraged her to move in. I want her there and I never even considered

splitting costs idea until initially she brought it up. Great, dude. Whoa. Kyle's like, picks. But as the date approaches, I thought more and more about it. She's extremely generous when it comes to dinners, drinks, activities, tickets, all the stuff we do together. That's just kind of the person she is.

I already know once she moves in, she'll feel the need to pick up the tab even more often. She's more than generous. She works remotely full time and makes solid money, but there's more. Okay. She's loaded. Loaded. I don't know if the inheritance number, it's a number that it doesn't mean you can never do anything, but there's some other numbers this guy's throwing at me that I cannot share that get pretty big. She also pulls in, she pulls in a lot of money. She makes a lot of money. I want to be fair, but also tuition student loan interest are real and the extra cash I could save would be immensely helpful to put towards school in our future.

She's got resources. I know she'd gladly contribute. I just don't know what the right move is. Appreciate any insight. All right. I think it's kind of cool that you would, you would look at it as like, Hey, we're going to be together.

It seems like this is very official. Like this is your person. We want to move in together. So this isn't really an accounting thing. Yeah. It's a half and half. Yeah. This isn't money in versus money out because it's

all going to be both of yours money, depending on who knows, you know, sounds like she should probably. Don't fuck this up. What it sounds like. It's like, I didn't want for you to suggest she should get a prenup with me, but yeah, the extra thousand bucks when you're a student and you're putting this stuff together and you're living in a place that's, you know, on the pricier side of things. Yeah, it'd be nice.

I mean, the chances are based on everything that you just said, the fact that she is so generous, she's probably gonna make it really easy to have the conversation started where you're not suggesting it, she's probably going to bring it up. So let her bring it up and then say everything to her that you said to us, you know,

minus some of these financial stats probably, but just go like, look, all of this, we're still aligned here. Like whatever I'm saving just allows me as I finish up school here, just to have a little bit more flexibility. I mean, as we all know, different stages in our life, there's just nothing better than just a little,

a little bit more cushion, right? And just a little bit more cushion, you know, bit more cushion, it just sucks when the money stuff is fucking with your head all the time. It's getting away and it ends up influencing other decisions. It doesn't even make any sense. You're like, well, I can be broke, but it doesn't mean I have to do this wrong. It's like, yeah, it does. I'm broke and I'm just going to do everything else wrong too. So I think she's probably going, Kyle's dying right now. She's probably going to suggest this split of a thousand bucks, add to that little monthly cushion.

You know, you're only looking at like a year here. And if she's adamant about doing it, don't feel bad about taking it. Knowing that it's not necessarily cutting into her cushion all that much. But yeah, I mean, look, I say it all the time, maybe I'm a little, it would depend on where I was financially, you know, if this was somebody I wanted

to marry and all that kind of stuff, then maybe I'd be like, hey, it's my role to provide and all these different things. But right now, she is the provider. She is making serious money. The extra- Well, she's got the stash of a provider. She's not necessarily a provider. Yeah, right, right.

But the thousand bucks a month for her is not even going to come close to even denning her annual salary. So I think your head's in the right place. If you can convey to us an email, the same message to her, it's probably still going to be a win for you because you're going to be so honest and straightforward about it and be like, I'm not going to lie, but I don't want to actually do that to you and then she's just going to pay you anyway and straightforward about it. Be like, I'm not going to lie, but I don't want to actually do that to you. And then she's just going to pay you anyway, because it sounds like she is.

When I have a friend and she does pretty well, she refuses to let anyone else pay for anything. So it's maddening, like maddening being like, you can't be the person that's always paying for everyone. Especially when you're with me, when there's other people around, fine. But she will, she'll go ahead and give the card. It's like when you're with me. When there's other people around, fine, but she will, she'll go ahead and give the car. It's like a real thing with her.

She doesn't want anyone to ever pay. Go ahead. Like, just gotta go to the bathroom real quick. If she comes back, you're like, you just did it, didn't you? Didn't you? Yeah. And then you gotta like get in front of it. Cause sometimes it's, it's, I mean, she's gotten

hammered on some tabs, man. So, uh, maybe that's who you met. And she has the financial backing to carry herself this way. And it's pretty clear that it's not just because of the financial security of what's coming to her down the road. It's that annually she's bringing in a lot of money here too.

So sometimes it's really great, man. If two people really get along, they're aligned, they have the same hope for each other future-wise. Certainly this stuff can be disrupted, but I think it's really cool when you can be at 25 years old to be this mature about the whole thing and just go like, look, let's just lay it all out and I'll tell you where I'm at. My preference is you don't give me any money, but if you're going to be adamant, yeah, I

mean, I'm not saying like you want to reverse psychology here because it doesn't seem like you need to do any of that stuff because she's so caring and you guys are in it for the long haul at least on paper here so i'm sure you'll be fine yeah she's talking if she's talking about moving november 1 you know that's we're talking five six months i don't know how long she's been there already uh it's not like a quick stopover you know so if you if you were just like you know not come not coming at it with all this awkwardness it sounds like she's already asked you you may have like you were just like, you know, not coming at it with all this awkwardness, it sounds like she's already asked you, you may have like, you know,

just changed her whole headspace about it. If you were like, no, no, of course not. And the more you think about it, you're like, maybe I should, but you could just be like, you could low ball her and be like, what do you think, like 500 a month? And then either she'll be like, oh yeah, totally. Or she'll be like, no way, dude, how about eight?

How about a thousand? Like, how about we just split it in half? Then it's her idea. But if you come with a lowball offer, it's better than nothing. If you're considering, should I just, you know, keep my mouth shut and suffer or or ask full? Maybe you just maybe you cut knock that number in half. And it's if she accepts it graciously, then five hundred bucks just came out of nowhere.

And if she and it sounds like she then 500 bucks just came out of nowhere. And it sounds like she'll more be like, how about a 50-50, huh? And then you're like, oh, shucks. And then it's the greatest thing ever. But I like a reasonable offer, because it sounds like you're not hurting, right? It's the same. You're just like, this could actually, I'm helping you with a place to live in a fun environment, whatever.

So 500 bucks would be kind of money from the sky. So I think that's probably what I would have done. Money from home? Yeah, war gun. I've been in this situation where it's the roommate bringing in his girlfriend and I've been in this situation where I'm the one bringing the girlfriend in. And what we've done is- Yeah, you have.

You don't split the cost of the room you split the total cost of the apartment Because the girlfriend's not just staying in the room the whole time. She's gonna be in the kitchen She's gonna be in the living room. And so you're all roommates now You should all be splitting the total cost of the apartment So your rent will be lower her rent will be lower and the other roommates rent will also be lower Yes, that's the way I feel like this should be done depending on how this girlfriend was handled that his roommates got It was just like hey, dude I'm just still covering my half of the whatever so it doesn't matter how it happens if that's how it is now It's time to change that now you bring it up to the roommate and be like hey we got four people living in

Potentially a two-person apartment. We should all be splitting. Oh house meeting style. Hey, man. You could bring I don't like this I don't love it either, but it depends on how it is. If they've been in this cohabitation situation for a while, where this guy is... I mean, it amounts to the same thing, but that's the way that I believe that something like this should be handled. Okay, that's fair. So tactical, Wargon.

I don't like it at all. I'm just gonna tell you you're wrong, because what we have here is we've been presented one of the nicest Potential scenarios there's no conflict There's no well her dog and this guy's dog or this girlfriend doesn't like think of all the emails that we've read that start with The this is what the potential living arrangement could be in all of the potholes along the way. They don't have any of them I think I think all this from the beginning from moved in. He left that money on the table.

What if he just- I just think that's the way that this should be handled. You know, this actually happened to me. Obviously I didn't move a girlfriend in, but I was living with a buddy. Your boy was looking for housing there towards those lean years in Vermont, towards the end. And they were like,

hey, there's a room available with this guy. I was like, oh, cool. And then his girlfriend was there the entire time. And then somebody after months, one of my friends that was visiting was like, how do you guys do the rent? Like we split it. It's two bedrooms. Like, what are you talking about?

And he was just like, yeah, but his girlfriend lives here. Shouldn't that have been three ways? It was like, yeah, I guess I could have, but he actually had the room. He offered me like, I don't give a fuck. And he's like, I can't believe you, you know, that's hundreds of dollars every month great easy for that guy to say he doesn't have to bring it up yeah unstable as his housing situation by the way it wasn't even that significant amount of money over the long haul it didn't really matter I really like my roommate I liked the girlfriend we all got along actually really well went on paper nobody thought we would get along at all but

it was great and so um there's something to be said. I think maybe that, I didn't mean to do it this way, but if you're in a living situation where everyone gets along and you're helping out your girlfriend and it's somebody that you wanna marry, then why disrupt any of that? So, and I also think to Kyle's point,

although Kyle made it a little bit more like you still, like Kyle just can't leave the game. He can't leave the game. He's sitting there being like, why don't you throw a five, probably close it. See if she counters. The hustle is on with Kyle still at the stage of his life. I don't even know that you have to do any of that kind

of stuff. You just go, hey, what do you want to do? How do you think it works? I mean, granted, if you wanted to, you could maybe blame the roommate and be like, is there a way we can make this all work? But it sounds like because of her incredible salary and a huge financial windfall

that she's going to experience later on and her habit of being generous, where you said extremely in italics, okay? It was italicized. There is a very good chance that she will not feel good about staying there unless she is helping you out and she's just going to go over the top with it and then you're not going to feel any guilt because it's going to be something that she actually feels better. There's something about when you have a little bit money and you love to make sure no one ever thinks you're taking advantage of it, especially for like somebody like, who was always like, I hope they pick up this dinner tab. Are they gonna ask me to kick in here?

What's the security? All those years where I didn't have any, then when you actually have a little, and it's not gonna hurt you to pay for dinner, it's not gonna hurt you to do some of these things, you may like, you know, Kevin Spacey, although not great to use him, pay it forward, where you are then later on going,

I wanna make sure I'm never that person. And she may have from a very early age, never wanted to be that guy. Rich people are different. Some people that are rich are the worst. They never wanna kick in anything. And then the joke is that's how they stay rich. But there's a lot of people that are incredibly,

incredibly jealous because they realize their position and their head start in life. And it sounds like based on everything you've said that your girlfriend may be one of those people. So I wouldn't stress about this at all. This sounds like it's already solved and it's just gonna be a number and then it won't really even matter.

Even though it might be a little tight for you for the next few months of law school, it might be worth it dude, if all of these numbers are real and you marry her. All right, I think that marry her. All right. I think that's good. All right. Thanks, Jonathan Frias.

Thanks to Wargon. Thanks to Kyle. Again, a reminder, we have an extra episode of the Riders of the podcast tomorrow, so we're going to do a lot of drafts of Sam Bazzini and Steve Michael from Rutgers. And then I will have an open for you on whatever happens tonight in game six of the NBA finals, you can check us out on YouTube, You can see us on the video portion of the Spotify app. Ryan, this little podcast.

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