The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Rare QB Redemption Stories and Harden's Sabotage Excitement. Plus, Julian Edelman on Belichick and Mac.

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

Ryen starts the show by acknowledging the redemption stories of Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff and James Harden’s rift with Philly upon his arrival at training camp (01:37). Three-time Super Bowl champ Julian Edelman joins the show to discuss the high-flying Dolphins motion offense, the development of Mac Jones, and what it's like critiquing players in the media as a former player (22:45). We’ve got Life Advice! Ceruti has a mustache look he’s thinking about keeping, and one guy sulks about missing out on having a real college experience (58:42). The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Julian Edelman Producers: Cliff Augustin, Steve Ceruti, and Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julian Edelman he was great today man telling some stories but also more importantly different things he's seeing in offenses and he does it in such an entertaining way I really enjoyed it so we got nerdy at the beginning there I'm going to talk about Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff and why they're on track potentially to do something recycled quarterbacks never do. And we've got life advice. We also have another live show coming up. And we wanted to do one in LA.

And I was like, I want to do another one in Manhattan Beach and do it in my own backyard. Friday, October 20th, we're going to be live from the 900 Club in Manhattan Beach, right here in town. The doors are going to open at 4. The show is at 4.30. So there's very limited space and there's no tickets. So this is what we're going to do.

They're going to figure out a way and hire security and just get people in a line. And that's the deal. It's a smaller venue, but there's no way to do the tickets any other way than doing it this way. So we're expecting it. it's going to work out. And I know the owner and everybody in town knows everybody, so it should be fine. So we're just going to get as many people in as we can. Again, that's the 900 Club, Manhattan Beach,

on Friday, October 20th. Doors opening at 4. We want to get in and out of there before their dinner starts up. Come start the weekend off with me, Kyle, Saruti, and more. See you there. I have a little maybe on NBA Media Day. I mean, I don't sit around and just go, okay, I'm taking all the content in. So I want to reference something that I was talking about on Monday's pod, and that's about first round quarterbacks. Now I've done different versions of this in the past. We went through 20 years of drafts. Basically the bust rate was like 50%. That was something we did years ago. And I've

referenced a lot. I think last year I started looking at first round quarterbacks on their second journey and how rare it was for any of those quarterbacks taken in the first round on a new team, how rarely they were successful. And I went back deeper drafts. And this year I kind of cut it down. Like I, I put the bookends a little bit tighter to each other to kind of talk about another point. But essentially after doing that one, the realization is that almost all of them are failures on the second stop. Tannehill was one of the rare exceptions. You could talk about Jameis potentially being a serviceable starter. I mean, there was just a lot of stuff that post-Andy Dalton's run of Cincinnati, it was

never, ever the same. And Andy Dalton was actually good enough to have the job for multiple years. So if you go back and look at it, first round quarterbacks on their second team provide almost nothing historically. And yet right now we're looking at Goff playing better than he's ever played and Baker Mayfield playing better than he's ever played and potentially positioning two NSC teams to play in the playoffs, which does not happen. Let's start it again. This time I looked at the drafts from 2014 and just the first round picks. I went all the way up to 2019, but I think it starts to get a little too recent where the numbers are essentially irrelevant,

and it could be too soon with some of these guys. Let's go through it. Bortles, the number three pick in 2014, 73 starts at Jacksonville. He ended up with a Ram zero starts. Three years he's been out of the league. Zero playoff wins after Jacksonville. Manziel taking 21st. We know that story.

Eight starts with Cleveland out of the league. Number 32, Teddy Bridgewater that year. Minnesota 28 starts. Had the nasty injury. He ended up on five different teams. Zero playoff wins. He's actually the backup to Goff now. Serviceable starter in Carolina-Denver.

You can make that argument. But serviceable starter for this run of quarterbacks, and you could even go back deeper years like I have, serviceable starter is a massive win on this kind of transaction. Jameis, 70 starts at Tampa Bay. He's had 10 starts, three years with New Orleans, zero playoff wins.

Mariota, 61 starts at Tennessee, time with the Raiders, Atlanta, now he's the backup at Philly. He had 13 starts with Atlanta last year, was basically just kind of a placeholder, zero playoff wins. Jared Goff, 69 starts with LA, zero playoff wins since then, but 35 starts with Detroit. We're going to get to his numbers a little bit more in depth at the end of this. Carson Wentz, number two overall pick behind Goff, 68 starts with Philadelphia, 17 starts with the Colts, seven starts with Washington, zero playoff wins. I'm still, despite all the Wentz conversations,

because it went in a lot of different directions, who was he as a guy, what was he like as a teammate, all that kind of stuff, the injuries and all those things. And if you even look at that end of you can you can trick yourself after the fact statistically like you know he actually was he was pretty good i guess i'm shocked it got that bad that soon uh that's all i really have i think we've covered once before paxton lynch not a long career five starts at denver out of the league after those two years out in Colorado. 2017 draft, number two pick Mitchell Trubisky, 50 starts with the Bears. In 21 with Buffalo, 22 and 23 with Pittsburgh, five starts there, zero playoff wins.

Patrick Mahomes, I think they're going to hold on to that guy. He was the 10th pick. The 12th pick, Deshaun Watson, 53 starts with Houston. He's had nine with Cleveland. That's a TBD at this point, but his QB rating dropped from 104.5 with Houston to now 82.4. This is the year that I think we'll have the answer

if Deshaun Watson is ever going to show anything again. And there's been some moments, but it's almost just an improvement based on how disastrous last year, but the excuse being hadn't played football in a couple of years. Also zero playoff wins. Baker Mayfield, 59 starts with Cleveland. 22, he's on Carolina and the LA Rams. There's a small part of you that goes, wait, is he going to be good with McVay if Stafford can't stay healthy? Well, Stafford is back and it's his job.

That means he's with Tampa. We realize that. It's a month in, but it's the best QBR Baker's career. And I want to get to some other deeper stats on how good of a job he's doing actually getting rid of the ball slower than Brady did. So he's had 14 total starts post-Cleveland, also zero playoff wins. 2018 draft, we're still on it. Sam Darnold was the third pick. 38 starts with the Jets in three years. In 21 and 22, Carolina 17 starts. Now he's the backup at San Francisco, zero playoff wins. Josh Allen, also another guy that's going to work out. Staying with that draft, Josh Rosen,

Arizona 13 starts one year. drafted kyler had uh some time on miami's roster three starts there was signed and cut by tampa san francisco atlanta he had 11 pass attempts spent time with cleveland minnesota now out of the league zero playoff wins lamar jackson 65 starts i could do the 2019 draft but it's just it's kyler which is tbd daniel jones who's probably still feeling the impact of the other night and of course we lost the 2019 draft, but it's just it's Kyler, which is TBD, Daniel Jones, who's probably still feeling the impact of the other night, and of course we lost Dwayne Haskins. And then it's looking like the

2020 draft with Burrow to Herbert Jordan Love is still an incomplete grade on that, but that could go down as one of the more successful quarterback drafts that we have. So let's look at some numbers. That's 16 quarterbacks. If I go from 2014 to 2018, because I'm not going to include Kyler's class from him being the number one pick in 2019. So

we've got the 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 draft here. There are 16 first round quarterbacks. If you take all of them, including the guys that have been locks, Lamar, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes, that's an average of 51.5 starts among those 16 QBs. If you take out Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson, it's still a close number. And some of this is the limitation of multiple seasons. Some of this can be deemed a little too recent, which means there's just lack of other seasons to add to these numbers. But the first-round quarterbacks that were drafted from 14 to 18 that the team moved on from gave you an average of 45.7 starts. And when you're taking one of these guys, what you think and what you're introducing when you have his jersey and he has his presser,

it's like, okay, we've got a guy for the next 10 years and no one really thinks that anymore that's the hope but it's one out of what three out of 16 from that group that truly are those guys and hell lamar if he'd gotten his way would have moved on but that would have been different it was more contractual it wasn't his ability to play but i'm telling you right now digging in all the lamar stats the mvp season is now showing up as his fluke season um so take that however you want if you're a ravens fan you're probably not gonna like that but it's just true like it is it is a complete spike along the chart of his production where it's like this season is way beyond the other seasons he's only had one other season with more than 20 touchdown passes. However, they always seem to be in a good organization, and we'll see how that offense

looks the rest of the way this year. What we're looking at here is a pretty significant trend of when the team moves on and you have a new starting gig, you never win. You never win anywhere. Now, if we want to go in circles on this, we can. We could say, okay, well, wait a minute. If a team that drafts you in the first round and you start your 50 games and they move on from you, it means you didn't win enough there. So how good could you be? So then if a team is willing to take that on as the recycled quarterback, they couldn't have been in a great spot either. So it wasn't really that great of a team. Okay. All of those things are fair, but it also proves the point that if Goff is winning a playoff round this year,

or Baker is, they're doing something that's completely unprecedented in recent history. That's the point. Because you're still a little excited, especially if that quarterback flames out with an organization that we deem the bad organizations. You're like, okay, well, we can fix him. Again, I think McVay, specifically Shanahan, McDaniel, if he ever had to fix anybody looks like

two was doing pretty well but you get like there's a very short list of guys about okay maybe it happens there right but pretty much everywhere else it's just you're you're delaying the inevitable as we ran through all of these resumes so if you look look at Goff, Goff has the best QB of his career at six in the NFL. Granted, the QBRs are higher now. They'll go down a little bit. He was fifth last year. This year, he's fourth in yards per attempt, but he's also ninth in completion percentage. So sometimes you can see a really high completion percentage and you're like, okay, but what are the yards per attempt? And they can kind of cancel each other out. There used to be a lot easier way of looking at quarterbacks. Hey, this guy's throwing it deeper. Hey, this guy's completing my set. But some of

the offenses make it so easy to juke those stats that you're still not quite sure what you're getting out of your quarterback. But so far now, another year of Goff being even better than he was last year in Detroit's defense being the issue. They are positioned in the NFC where Philly is 4-0. We don't even feel like they've been awesome yet. San Francisco's maybe the class of the NFL, but then after that, is Detroit in that group with Dallas? Is Dallas ahead of them? All right, well, if Dallas is ahead of them,

the way the NFC feels right now, I don't know that there's more than three teams ahead of the way we feel about Detroit. How about this number from Baker? So Baker's across the board traditional stats are also really good based on what he's done in the past. It's the best QBR of his career. It's the best completion percentage. It's the lowest sack rate. His interception percentage is half of what it was in Cleveland. Yes, just a month in. But you know I love checking

in with Mike Sandoz stuff on Monday, and I didn't share this in its entirety when we recapped everything on Monday because I wanted to save it for today. But there's a really interesting trend that's going on with Baker versus what Brady was doing last season. So essentially Sandoz presents it this way. Brady last year got rid of the ball in 2.3 seconds. This is another thing with weird quarterback stats where we go, man, that guy gets rid of the football so quick. But can you actually get rid of the ball a little too quickly? Well, you can argue in Brady's case last year, which 2.3 seconds on the release was the quickest that he's ever gotten rid of the ball in any season that's ever been tracked in Brady's

career, that that actually was hurting what they were doing. Now, granted, I think when I watched the Tampa games, and I think I did mention this a little bit on Monday, that I thought they were so one-dimensional and they kind of just knew it, that it was like, is there any way we could just figure out a way to do this and get the ball out?

I think that's kind of what they were doing, but I also think there was some self-preservation stuff with Brady's like, yeah, I can stay healthy because I'm literally never going to keep the ball back there in my hands all that long. But it starts to hurt some of the developing routes. And these numbers prove it. So if Brady were at 2.3 seconds last year, Mayfield is now getting rid of the ball through a month in at 2.59 seconds on average.

go from any time that Brady actually held onto the ball last year over 2.3 seconds in comparison to what Mayfield is doing when he's getting rid of the ball after 2.3 seconds. Here we go. The completion percentage for Brady was under 54%. For Baker, it's 65%. Yards per attempt, 6.9 for Brady, 8.3 for Mayfield touchdown interception ratio Brady 8 to 6 Baker 5 to 1 just straight up QB rating not QBR 76 for Brady 110 for Baker and then there's a bunch of other stuff that is just really good in Baker's favor so it's not always just the traditional things it's some of those other little things and I know the reports are going to start coming out because they have a nice record that, oh, he gets along with everybody.

Everybody likes it. We destroy your personality when you're losing and you have the exact same personality. You start winning and then all of those things become a positive. That's the part from the outside that I always find really annoying. If I were an athlete, I'd be like, dude, I'm literally the same person. And now because we're three in one instead of 1-3, I'm different. But that's what's going to happen. If they keep doing this, there will be like,

man, the guys really resonate. Man, he really gets it. He's fiery. He's never ever going to quit. Well, he's also apparently, by the numbers, just a much better quarterback. If Goff and Baker end up doing this, just winning a playoff game,

it's something that doesn't happen at least in recent memory before we jump into Julian Edelman NBA media day uh I think it serves a purpose but I wouldn't I wouldn't go through it all I mean like I'll admit I probably see a few things and then go that annoys me that annoys me and then it's like why does that annoy you and then I'm like yeah I guess this doesn't really annoy me. I mean, I could put together a segment of the five most annoying things, set it media day, maybe it would do all right, but I'd rather talk quarterbacks to start today's pod. But I have no notes, no notes. I have no notes. I can't fucking wait to see what happens with

Harden. I can't wait. I've retired on my Harden position. I still, you know, sometimes I go back and read this piece on Harden's brilliance of spacing. A Houston reporter wrote this thing about how him not doing anything off the ball was actually genius basketball. I was like, some guys that played with him didn't think it was all that sweet but uh he's apparently reporting to sixers camp it's in colorado i'd want to report to colorado too um and it's on i i don't if he if he had time the weird thing is it's like normally when a guy has less time left on his contract that's this that's the fear factor she's like well you know we don't get rid of him now we're going to lose him for nothing it's actually the reverse for hart because if you had a bunch of time or he had a bunch of money left on the deal you'd be like all right whatever like i'm just not

doing this and then you get to play chicken with him be like how much money are you really willing to lose and we know one of the new rules in CBA that wasn't like overnight, it was actually a couple of years ago that Bobby Marks has referenced in that based on what he's doing, like he would lose his free agent rights going into next year. So I can't wait. No one's ever quit as well as he's quit. He's the best. He's the best to ever do it. And he's also not as good anymore. So that's the thing. But if there's one thing that I know is very true, when you're this special at what you do, and Harden was certainly that, and that's the way you carry yourself, it's the way people kind of interact with you, you still think you're going to get away with everything.

There's very few people that are really special at something that are the first to go, nah, I probably can't get away with this anymore. You're usually the last person to realize it. And I'm sure his reps, I'm sure the people close to him are telling him he's right. Don't worry, it's all going to work itself out. I just can't wait. I am open to the impossible.

I really am. Because here's the other weird thing. How many teams actually want them? So are you demanding something that only you want? At least with Lillard, other teams want him. And look, Lillard's not even in the same, forget boat, ocean is hardened. So this is not a comparison, their journeys, their stories, their predicaments, but can you destroy your own value to a level that the current team has to get rid of you

while also proving that you're worth this money that you feel like you've missed out on and get it from a team when there may not be a team that exists. There's a mistake that all of us make with the NBA historically. We're like, oh, that'll never happen. He'll probably get moved. There will probably be some version of this. And then if you're Embiid, who clearly, at least for me, I should say it this way.

Like I feel like, I don't know if a pass is the right word. Like, Oh, how come you, yeah, there's some players I think have done a better job being professional than, than other players.

But Embiid has the profile now of an MVP winner, which after the NBA finals, I think people that clearly just didn't watch enough of Jokic were like, Oh wait, maybe these NBA arguments weren't that strong. Right. There's, there's all that stuff.

But for him, and I know it said yesterday, like he didn't feel like Milwaukee and Boston had surpassed them. It's like, well, you got to get out of the second round, man. Like you got to get out of the second round and figure out a way to get out of the second round man like you got to get out of the second round figure out a way to get out of the second round and it's going to start getting like

it luckily he has hardened there instead of the normal talk show timeline of like hey is there something wrong with mb because look i just think that there's certain players that don't win in the playoffs and it doesn't mean that they're incapable of it sometimes their situation there's other players i do think are incapable of winning in the playoffs. And it's not so much about their situation. It's about them. But normally, Embiid, with this profile, this many years in, this lack of playoff success,

you start to become way more of a target. And maybe that does happen to Embiid. And I felt like last year was kind of the year where I was like, this could start getting a little weird for him, at least nationally. But the Harden part of it is the fullback to all that bullshit for Embiid. Harden is taking so much of the negative attention, like he should, that the criticism, we just don't have time for the criticism part of the Sixers issue right now. So I'm open for

anything. I don't know what getting his way would be. I don't know that he goes somewhere that's going to win and thinks it's a great idea and wants to invest would be. I don't know that he goes somewhere that's going to win and thinks it's a great idea and wants to invest. I think that ship has sailed. It might be a desperate thing. One year left in the deal. He makes a push for it, puts up some numbers. He might be better off on a shitty team, put up some numbers and then hope there's one owner out there that thinks, oh, you know, a three-year deal and we get to sell hardened jerseys but i'll tell you what i'm not buying one for my kid and i don't even have a kid i may not have a kid just so i can't have them like hardened by jersey get ready to start the nfl week off right because right now all customers can get a

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Refund issued with non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire seven days after receipt. Max refund $5 unless otherwise specified. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Little Home and Home with Julian Edelman uh was on games with names recently uh the season two is about to start those episodes will be dropping soon and uh of course he joins us here on the podcast and doing some tv stuff as well what's up jules good to see you again good to see you too man look at that view i mean looks like uh podcasting's doing you well well it could just be

ai too you know maybe i'm just still back no my eyes my my ai uh dar what is it called my ai dar is uh that's definitely not ai okay all right yeah we gotta get you down here man open invite let us know put together you gotta hit old simsies get a burger it's easy that's easy we have an in there uh look i i want to do a little nerdy stuff with you off the top because i know you did this in the pre-game recently and i admit my limitations and watching what the 22 guys are doing out there on the field, but with Miami, and I know the loss, but I want to talk bigger picture. What are you seeing with some of the better offenses here and how they're using motion and the benefits of this? Because I know you did a big breakdown on it, and I feel like I'm noticing it more and more and what an

advantage it is. Yeah. So you're seeing, like I said, top 10 offenses that are using motion. Eight of them are in top total offensive yardage right now. And it's because you gain such an advantage when you use these things. But the downside of having motion and shifts is a lot of times it makes the playbook that much bigger and it's hard to digest for a player so you have to have a smart team to be able to do these things and and the advantages you get

off of it and like if you watch the niners and you can exclude last week with the dolphins but the dolphins and a lot of these teams in the run game, you see their wise when they're, they're shifting over and they're going to the, the, uh, they're going to the, to the boundary side towards the boundary. You'll see a, a Y shift and then you'll see like a Z motion the other way. like a z motion the other way and what they're doing is is they have impeccable uh scouting on on just certain down and distances usually first and second down and and what they're doing with that is they're gaining a guy over there because they'll see that the safety is not dropping down over there the safety will stay and they'll see that the safety is not dropping down over there. The safety will stay and they'll just transform the defense's responsibility.

So it'll be a cover six. And so that guy will stay. So they're getting an extra guy or they're getting an angle. And so that's what these motions and these shifts are doing for the run game. You can gain an edge or a number with these motions. And then they also have a guy in the box with these motions, and you see in the run game, you're seeing more reverses now than ever. It's because it's being incorporated into the run game,

and you got a guy in the press box when they use these jet motions and the defensive end doesn't play it. You got a guy saying, hey, Shanahan, hey, McDaniel, the D end didn't widen, let's get the reverse in. So there's so many counters with the counters in the run game with these motions and shifts. And then the pass game, we used to do this a lot as well. When you motion from stacks or bunches and you're going into those, what's it make the

defense have to do? You have to communicate. And we all know defenders are the most athletic guys in the world. They got to do everything backwards. They're fast. They're elite. They got great instincts. They know bodies. And there's nothing more a defender wants to do is just line up right across the guy he has to cover and say me versus him that's that's what they want to do when you get them over here and they have to communicate into a stack or a bunch and then all of a sudden you see on a third and six Tyreek Hill's wide open down the middle of the field like that should never happen but it's because of the communication with these these motions that like defenders like they have to communicate and if one guy's not on the right

page the you know you have to have a quarterback that can identify that and that's what the strengths of like the tuas and the purdies where they can see these things because they're easy reads you know what i mean but if they see a guy like if they they communicate their guy guy drops off they didn't combo it or they didn't ghost it meaning combo two guys are using guys in and out ghost is where the outside guy has the inside guy if they don't do that you get these wide open plays and you're getting advantages and then another thing with the motion is you allow the receiver to have a free access to the route. Because you see a lot of times offenses, what do they do on early downs?

They condense the formations. What's that do with the defender? It backs them off. So then you get free access throws. You get the quick outs. You get these double hooks where this guy's out and he's reading from the the hook over here to the inside hook that guy sticks then you know you hit here to the tight end and you're getting these free axis throws you're doing the same thing when you motion when you motion a guy

you're backing off a defender so you're letting a guy like Tyreek Hill get two yards of instant separation right at the beginning of the play so he can get into his route right away. And then you're seeing now also, you're seeing these U motions or these zoom motions, the OOM meaning they're going out. So you'll see like a Y and he'll go out of the formation towards the sideline. And what's that do? It backs off the defender instantaneously,

and it also gives you a formation indicator. So there's so many little things that you get with motions, shifts. And, you know, honestly, I think the reason why a lot of these teams are doing it because it makes the read so much easier for the quarterback. You know, you're getting a guy like Brock Purdy who, who he's thrown a lot of footballs in college at Iowa state and he knows how to run an offense,

but you're, you're giving them ultimately like, Hey, it's right here or right here. It clears the picture for these quarterbacks. And, and my example was last was, look at Atlanta. Now, I know they got killed in London, or they got beat in London, but there's no way

Atlanta should be 2-2 right now with the quarterback that they have, if we look at it. So these offenses, what do they do they give you an advantage it makes the read a little easier Ritter hasn't been playing that well but it it designs the offense where you can give them one read or you can you can get guys the ball like Bijan Robinson put them in different spots move them give them separation get the ball in his hands and it allows teams to get the the ball to their playmakers a lot easier. But you have to be a smart team to do it. And you have to be fundamentally sound because if you're using these motions and shifts,

I mean, you can get the shade. There's been a couple of shaving penalties. You know what that is? When they start in their motion and they start going towards the line of scrimmage before the ball is snapped, you can gain a couple of those, which is a drive killer, five yards, you're in first and 15. Now, now the offense is changing, you know, so you can, you can gain so many advantages with motions and, and, and shifts programs, whether it's, you know, in the passing game or, or the running game. So when I would watch, you know, during the glory years with you guys in Gronk,

like every now and then, usually felt later in the game, there'd be some deal where it's like, uh-oh, they got Gronk on a linebacker. And I remember like one time in a playoff game where you ended up, I think Gronk isolated on one side and the linebacker ended up on him. Is that all?

Because I mean, it's very simple and this would be the mistake the person so that's how come they don't do that more and it's like well because it because those those those opportunities don't happen all the time so go ahead so that that comes in the category of of down and distance situationally how a team can find matchups with guys and then also that that a lot of what miami and san franc that, that a lot of what Miami and San Francisco and a lot of these teams, what they're doing is that's through personnel groups. So that's when you start seeing a 12 personnel group, two tight ends, two receivers and a running back or a 13 personnel group, three tight ends, a receiver and a running back. When you see that, what's that do?

a receiver and a running back. When you see that, what's that do? That traps a big personnel group on defense on the field. So on first and second down, if you throw out those personnel groups, like the 49ers, for instance, they're using these 13 personnel groups with Uzchak, two tight, backup tight end Kittle and just Debo, you know, they'll have a big person, personnel group out there, and then they spread them out wide. And you got a big, you got a big defense on there. You spread them out wide and then you get to pick your matchups. Then you also get formation indicators as well. So if you put ooze check or you put Kittle all the way to the outside, you see a linebackers over them. You know, you have man you have man coverage. If you see a corner over there, you know you have zone coverage. So that's a lot of what these teams are also doing

that are in this crazy motion shift program. They also have these personnel groups that they're using where you can gain an advantage because of the film study you do. You see on first and second down, this team loves to use the four shell with their big group. And if you go to a two by two, it stays to the four shell. If you get it and you motion over to three by one and you put that line, you're tied in all the way out on a zone, three by one, they'll come down to a six.

They could check into a man zone match kind of man coverage. So you're, you're, you're, you're seeing with personnel groups, you know, it clears the picture and it also, it makes a team show their cards because you can't go out and do all this crazy disguise.

And with, you know, your, your, your base personnel group there on defense, you're not going to have a linebacker going out here doing this. You know, when you, when you trap a team in with the personnel group, you start to see, and it clears the picture, you know, you got, you get the formation indicator, who's all the way out there, who's covering them. All right. We, we know we

have zone, we know we have man. So like, that's what they're doing as well. That's a really good point on the personnel stuff. Cause whenever you look at like, Hey, the better teams are running more 12, they're running 13. And I think when you first look at it, you're like, is that because they like their tight end depth? And it's not really about how great the third pass catcher is at the tight end position. It's about keeping the defensive personnel in. Although you'd wonder, okay, well, if you're trying to match big personnel for big personnel with a three tight ends, like, wouldn't you rather just give up the four-yard run with the way defenses are playing? I wonder if the counter that I don't see yet, or maybe if you're seeing, is that teams are going to just not give in to match it. Well, if they don't match, then you have numbers. So if you're going to go

in there with a nickel and you can't run the ball with your 13 or 12 personnel, I mean, you're taking a linebacker out and you're putting a star in. And if you can't run the ball with your 13 or 12 personnel, I mean, you're taking a linebacker out and you're putting a star in. And if you can't run the ball there, which these teams that are using this, the 49ers, I mean, the 49ers, they'll jump into 13 personnel, spread everyone out and throw a screen to McCaffrey on the outside. And you got three, four linebackers out there. There's no speed on there. And with the versatility of the

49ers with ooze check i mean he can run routes you got kiddle out there i mean it just it expands the playbook and you can manipulate what the defense is going to give you because of it okay this is i actually want to stay on it because i know this wasn't part of the plan but i think you're into it too or the other thing and i've gotten gotten in arguments with this about my friends, is look at the efficiency of the first 10 to 15 plays when they're scripted. There was even a graphic this weekend that showed the best coaches and who's the best on the first 15. And it's all the coaches you expect. It's Shanahan, it's McVay, it's McDaniel. But I think you're going to agree with me here. And honestly, I can't even believe anyone would argue the other side. It's like, we'll just script more plays if it's that efficient. I want to hear your version of the right answer of why that is basically just, it can't be done in the NFL. they're notoriously known to having their script. They're going to have their first 12, 15 plays scripted.

And when you do that, the defense kind of sees what they're trying to do. So then when you know you're playing against a scripted team, the defense has, they have to adjust. So when you say, why don't they just script the whole game? Because the defense is adjusting to how the game's being played. know once you see what the script is and what it unlies then you know how to play the game and the defense makes adjustments so like that's the thing that's what you'd always hear

bill would talk about that all the time these guys are you know they're on the script first 15 just be ready we're gonna have to make our adjustments we'll see what they're doing we'll see how they're on the script first 15 just be ready we're gonna have to make our adjustments we'll see what they're doing we'll see how they're playing the game because how they're playing the game right now is how they want to play the game you know and then you make your adjustments to that and then you you play the game how business is business is being done well i'm glad you answered it because maybe now they'll listen to you and i just was like do you really think i mean script 60 plays it's just it's'll listen to you. And I just was like, do you really think I can script 60 plays? It's just, it's just, well, you could, you could script them.

You could script them if you wanted to. And then all of a sudden it's like, these defensive guys, they're smart, dude. I mean, they're sitting there and they're waiting and you kind of, it's kind of like poker with that script. You're kind of showing your cards, what you're trying to do, what you're trying to establish for the game in that script. And once you you see that then the defense can start dialing and you got to stay on you got to stay on track so like say your script you have this and and if the play works a lot of coaches they'll go back to that play on first and ten all right well in the first drive

you know you had six yards on that first play of the script and you tried it again and you got stuffed and then it messes up the down and distance going forward. You're not staying ahead of the count, you know, so then things are adjusting. Then when you get into third and nine, then you get these exotics from the defense and that's when the game starts getting into the defense's hands. It took us 15 minutes to get there, but what do you think Bill's talking about this week with the team after watching that Dallas game?

Yeah, that was bad. That was bad. You know, the team played hard. It wasn't great to have Christian Gonzalez go out in the first drive. That kind of ruins a lot of things for the defense offensively you know last week they tried to play the game the right way it how is playing the game the right way for the Patriots all right let's let's let's stay ahead of the count let's keep our team in third and manageable because when you have third

and manageable the the stats go out the roof on converting these third downs third and manageable because when you have third and manageable the the stats go out the roof on converting these third downs third and 11 yeah you see like these teams that go out and they connect on these third 11s like statistically speaking there's like a 10 chance of you converting a third and 11 because of these defensive ends and what these defenses dial up for those types of plays so they tried to do that last week against the Jets, and they took care of the ball, but they couldn't execute on the third down. And then they play this week against the Cowboys, and everything went completely out of the door. I mean, we got sack fumbles in the first couple drives. We got a pick six. And ultimately,

it comes down to mac jones and i and you could put a lot of it on the offensive line that he doesn't have time but like you know you can't go out and do what he did that that was that was bad football you know you can't throw late across the field twice in four plays you know the first time he got away with it i know that's why i was like is that why he went back to it because like hey this is working you can't do that and he's also you could tell that max a little he's feeling it right now because he's missing open reads early he he's kind open reads early. He's kind of tunneled into guys that he feels comfortable with,

but he doesn't know what he feels comfortable with. He's very out of sync right now, and it was bad. You've got to take care of the football. Bill's going to preach that. Guys, we need to take care of the football because once you start doing that, and that team's not designed. The Patriots aren't designed to play from behind they just can't do it that their whole mantra is all right let's keep the game close let's take care of the football let's convert on third down let's convert in the

red area let's let's let's hone down the team for specific situations let's do let's score touchdowns in the red area. Let's convert on third down to keep their defense on the field, to tire them out. Where's the run game? We got to get the run game going. They have a lot of things that they have to dial up to get better. I'll tell you right now, there's a whole lot of coachable film out

there. I mean, every play, there's something you can coach and there's nothing better. There's nothing more Belichick likes than coaching up a film. Let me tell you that right now, especially if it looked like that. I, uh, you know, we spent a lot of time on this, the, you know, the divorce we've already talked about it before Brady moves on. What's Bill going to look like? Does he actually want this opportunity? I mean, I've already shared my thoughts a million times on this. And, you know, I know this is part of, like, this is something you still care about, you know. And as bad as the record has been in three of the last 11 wins against Skyler Thompson, Colt McCoy, and Zach Wilson,

you're like, okay, what is this team right now? This is like a two-year stretch of what is this team. It looks like Mac's regressing. Last year, I can't believe what they did with the staff and all these different things. But I know enough of you guys that have played there where I've talked to you where it's like, man, Bill's different. Bill's different. So I refuse to believe because of the access to the conversations I've had with so many of you guys that have played there, being from there myself, that all of a sudden he's just this bad coach. I refuse to believe that because I've heard too

many stories that tell me that he actually was at another level of game preparation and different things. But this is starting to get to the point where I wonder what he feels like because the last time this was even close to something like this was 5-11 in his first year with New England. So I don't even know if you know what it's like week to week in that building when they're playing like this because this has been two decades since they've actually felt helpless. So what's the question, Ryan? There wasn't one there. You're very smart. You're very good at this, but you're not playing anymore. So I was just kind of letting you go. Yeah. It's, uh, I don't know what it, what it's like in there because I think until my 12th year was the first time we weren't supposed to win a game.

And I think it ultimately comes down to this is a quarterback league. You want to say what you want to say. This is a quarterback league. You have to have a quarterback that fits your system to win games. I mean, look at all the good teams. They all have good quarterbacks. And right now, Mac hasn't been developing at the rate that they want. And you can say last year whatever but you know billy

o'brien is guarantees looking at everything that mcdaniels did he's looking at everything that mac is comfortable with and he's still having rookie type throw throws like you can't that's tough to regardless of of how the team is i mean because you can look at the defense the defense is has been there these last three years it's just the offense they haven't found the right group of guys i feel right now you know they could be in there but they're not playing the way they should be playing to win football games and it comes down to the quarterback i mean you got to execute uh in gotta have it type situations and he's had the opportunity last few weeks to have these

opportunities to go out even when the game wasn't played necessarily the way you guys want it there was still an opportunity to win the game like before this cowboys game they had the you know the the kid didn't get his his feet in on the third down you know the week before they didn't they had an opera like you gotta as much as anything comes down to anything coaching can only go so far you got got to have the players. Players win you games. Players making plays wins the game. And they just haven't been making plays.

Okay, moving on from that. CJ Stroud has been terrific this first month. I always have a really hard time with the new guys because we've seen some younger guys put up big numbers and then you're like, oh, remember that? I'll still never forget the Sam Darnold time at the beginning with the new guys. Cause we've seen some younger guys put up big numbers and then you're like, Oh, remember that, you know,

I'll still never forget like the Sam Darnold time at the beginning of the jets. It was like, Hey, the jets have their guy 10 years, like 10, 15 years. Uh,

so I'm certainly not saying that's who Stroud is. And I'd rather see that than some really good quarterbacks who have a terrible rookie year, you know, statistically it's kind of all over the place. So he is building something. He's building something here early. He's not making mistakes.

What do you look for beyond just the numbers, the winner or loss? what do you look for beyond just the numbers the winner or loss what do you look for for the young guys for you to go you know what i think this guy actually has the it factor is figuring things out quicker than others i like to look at like a like just the how this guy handles a drive or or a play because as much like all these coaches, you can doll up these plays, but they're all the same. A curl flat read is the curl flat read in every offense. So how is he going with his eyes? Does he feel comfortable? How is he in the pocket? Does he feel the pressure or does he keep his eyes downfield and slide? And I've been really impressed with Stroud. I watched him in the preseason and he didn't look this great.

And what it tells me is with these young quarterbacks, you really want to look for how are they improving each week? Are they making the same mistakes twice? cj stroud hasn't and that's what you want to see that's how you develop that's how you improve it that that's what they're doing with him they're they're gonna start you know they they throw out the offense there and then they're gonna see what he can handle by design all right let's throw a couple more plays in his way let's see if he if he can digest it. Let's see how he works in the work week at practice, how they take the classroom to the drill, to the team practice. How is he digesting things? And he clearly is digesting things very

well because he's going out and he's making crucial plays like you watch him on third down he's he's converted a bunch of third downs with guys that we have no clue so i mean he's taking the coaching that's all you want to see from a young quarterback you want to just see if he's improving you want to you want to put him in the same situation of when he made a mistake say he threw a pick on something it's almost like they want to put him in that situation see how he reacts again you know what i mean and and when quarterbacks because you're gonna make a mistake as a young player you're gonna make mistakes mistakes are all are made by everyone this league is the best league you know when it comes to parody and all that and having dogs on all side so it's about how does the kid handle mistakes? Does he learn from the mistake? Does he make

the same mistake twice? And CJ Stroud's been doing a great job by not making the same mistake twice. I'm going to touch on this as I already did on today's episode, but I wanted to ask you about it. The first round quarterbacks that don't work out and then move on, the success rate for that is, if I've gone through it, it's like way less than 10%. I mean, there's a reason. If you were good, they wouldn't be moving on from you. And for Baker Mayfield to go through the Cleveland stuff, the Carolina stuff, granted he was on the rims, this is his fourth stop. We're a month in, and I don't know how much you've gotten to deep dive

into him so i don't want to put you on the spot but we're looking at somebody statistically who is now off to the best start he's ever had uh i think there was some injury stuff especially at the end of the cleveland thing where you know he was he was to blame for some of it but you also could just see him walking around a little bit um are you seeing anything with him that feels different is it weapons is it health is is there something that you think is different from him? Because the results are definitely different. I think he's healthy. I think he's, you know, we all saw the image of him at the end of Cleveland.

It didn't look good. You know, trying to make tackles, hurting his shoulder. Then his knee or ankle went down. He was battling a bunch of stuff. And you can say what you want to say about Baker Mayfield. The kid's not scared. You know, he's going to go out there and he, he, he flirts with that line of cocky, confident. And, but the thing is he's, he doesn't back down and, and he's gone out and he's, he's taken this challenge on. And that's like half the battle a lot of guys get scared a lot

of guys put their tail in between their leg baker mayfield he knows what he has with you know the buccaneers you have chris godwin you have mike evans you know you have some players that have played with the best of all time and and so they're kind of like oiled a little bit and and when tom leaves they were they didn't then have the healthy line the line's getting healthy they their defense has gotten a lot healthier at the buccaneers so like they're playing this complementary type football and you know he he's performing on third down he's learned from his mistakes that he can't run around because he's not fast you know he's doing it but he's getting rid of the ball he's learned from his mistakes that he can't run around because he's not fast you know he's doing

it but he's getting rid of the ball he's keeping his eyes down the field and he's not doing it as much like i remember you watch him late in those cleveland games it just like it seemed like he was trying to run around and you're like bake you can't really do that you know like you're not that explosive now he's he's shed off a couple guys he's converted a third down where he's he's he's gotten squirrely inside the pocket but he's he's learned from those mistakes he's playing smarter uh you know a new environment he had a little success last year when he came in off of off the jet and started for the the rams then it kind of dwindled away because they lacked the talent.

They didn't have anything. I mean, this is a talented football team he's playing with, and he's allowing his playmakers to go out and make plays. So, you know, I think it's a great little mixture for the Bucs and Baker. You're doing the media thing now. And as we said, season two, Games of Names, part of the Fox NFL kickoff.

I'll use the example because Rodney Harrison's getting a ton of shit now. I didn't see it. I heard about it. You didn't see it? Well, what do you say? It's funny because you go into it and everybody's killing the video.

And at first, it kind of starts off with just Rodney going like, Hey man, you know, you watch the tape of Zach Wilson, like can't imagine it was all that impressive. And then he just, Chris Jones like nails the response,

like super mature going, Hey, you know, everybody's talented. He can be special. And then Harrison jumps on that. He's like special. He's like,

well, look, I think he has special attributes, whatever. Then he's basically like, he's garbage. Like, and it kind of felt like agree with me that he's garbage.

And people are not fond of that. People are not fond of that postgame. You're sitting there. What is it about that transition? How have you felt about your transition with trying to be honest, but also feeling like, you know, I don't want to be the ex-player that just goes out there and trashes all these dudes and are just playing with them.

I think it's a very delicate thing for all you guys. It is tough because, you know, when you sit in a meeting for, you know, as long as you sat, if you've had a long career, you hear the deficiencies about players all the time. That's what you're listening to as a player with the coaches. They're saying, well, this guy is, you know, he's, he doesn't have long speed. He quicker than fast he's not this he's not that so you naturally have heard that for so long but i try to deal with it where you know i've been in every situation as a player i've been the player that was trying to fight for a roster spot i was i've been the player that has tried to earn a role. Or when you have the role and you become the starter, the expectation. Regardless of where you are in your career, it's hard as a football player.

And I understand that. I understand guys are fighting for jobs left and right. So I try to understand that when you're talking about players because the kid wouldn't have been drafted second overall if he didn't have something uh you know there there are times where you have to bite your tongue because you know you don't want to be that guy i guess so it's there's a right but you also don't want to be like and i'll see some guys like and sorry to interrupt but you also don't want to be, and I'll see some guys, sorry to interrupt, but you also don't want to be the guy where the player's never wrong.

But I'll listen to the broadcast. There was a Justin Fields game where I think it was Kevin and Greg Olson, and it was a disaster, but they were still trying to be positive. But I understood what they were doing, even though for the three hours we're watching, we're like, Fields is a mess today.

I thought we're fairly positive with Mac on Sunday, or at least tried to be. There was another game of collinsworth recently and i go you know it's probably what it would always be because they're in the nfl business they're going to be meeting with that same staff in three weeks or when they're doing one of their games and down the road so there's there's a delicate balance to get the audience to kind of buy into you for keeping it real but at the same time there's just no way you don't want to be the guy that just decides he's going to rip everyone all the time because that would feel unfair and you just you know that becomes your brand and there's a way you can you can your wording can do a lot as well and your tone you know like

if you know zach wilson knows he can't make that throw he's probably watching the film and saying he has to play better instead of saying you know zach wilson what the hell are you making that throw for you know there's different ways of doing it i i think uh yeah look collinsworth actually did do that twice in the game because he missed the touchdown to the tight end. He missed it on the go route on the right side. And Collinsworth very delicately was like, you know, Aaron Rodgers probably has 14 points right there.

You know, so that's a good example. That is, you know, it's but it's tough, man. Like. How old is Zach Wilson? 25, 24. He's in New York. Guys. BYU, he could be older but yeah i think so he's been humbled uh you know and a lot of it it's tough when certain guys act like for rodney rodney's been a guy that was he i mean, he was he ate nails. He went out there. You never heard so much about practice and how Rodney practice more than when you heard

Belichick talk about this guy was dead ass serious all the time. He that's what he was like. He was fighting at practice, hitting guys in practice like and that's what made him play his game. You know, a lot of guys there's different guys in the league and you know he's from that older generation where you know is it regardless of what year you're in you come in you always think that next generation and they're a little softer you know and he's what three out now so it it's, it's tough, but you know, that, that's kind of

how Rodney, you know, Rodney's a tough guy and then that's why they got him on there because he, he doesn't have a filter and, and you know, this is a big boy league. If you're a quarterback in this league, you got to understand one thing. When things go well, you're going to be Superman. one thing when things go well you're going to be superman when things don't go well you're going to be the reason that's just how it goes ask every quarter ask ask all the quarterbacks from the past you know it's a it's it's it's a hard bit this is a multi-billion dollar corporation okay i understand you know people have feelings but the bottom line doesn't by the way zach wilson 24 same birthday as tom brady i knew that i think i think i knew that you three should get on a text thread yeah i don't know i don't know it's jet table it we'll table that one we'll table that one you know it's uh

i he he made some good throws coming up with ideas he made some good throws he also you know it you gotta be it's a it's a 60 minute game you know and it's about competitive stamina and that's what you're seeing. You know, like these guys, guys that are great, guys that are good, they have competitive stamina. You could put anyone on. Anyone that's playing in National Football League has a play, has 10 plays that are good. Like everyone makes a play in this league.

It's about making them consistently. And at that position, you're under a microscope especially in that city so you know especially with the expectation especially with how the jets were saying super bowl before the season started and then all of a sudden you know we bank on this and this is what's happening so i you know rodney i don't take i don't think that's that crazy i know and i know we've gotten to this world now where everyone, you know, like, hey, this. And I understand it's tough, but it's the National Football League, man. Not for long. Julian Edelman.

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LifeAdvice rrr at gmail.com. It's good to see the guys, Kyle and Saruti, on our video conference here. And right out of the jump, Kyle jumps in and notices Saruti's got a new look. Steve the stash. Yeah, I got a little bored, but everybody's done this. So last night, I'm trimming the beard, and obviously, you know, I went way too low and just just buzzed side of my face. I'm like, all right, I got to get rid of it. And you obviously do the stash last.

I'm sitting there and I'm in the bathroom for my wife and I'm like, kind of dig this. Like, I don't hate it. I don't hate it. So we're going to try it out. She approved. And then you then you left the bathroom. I think I asked her three times. She didn't respond once, but I liked it so so we'll see how long it lasts but i usually back in the day i wasn't like a good stash guy but i kind of don't hate it right now so yeah do you have like

so let me let me get this straight you've never done a mustache before i've never like really uh i've had one but and i also like really hate my face kind of without a beard but i think with the stash like i kind of i kind of don't hate it so i'm gonna try it out for a few days and see what people say kyle likes it so there's one we're one to know definitely like the idea of it yeah you had a stash like a couple months back you were well i don't know if it was intense was it intentional or not no it was the same thing it was the same thing and i actually hated it my my wife is like she's always like i always wish you would do that and i'm like this is the worst i've ever looked there's no way and she's some you know i've heard that she wanted you to this is yeah mine like this is where the age stuff

blows me away because there was a stretch where there was nothing worse than a mustache the idea that mustaches are like choices and people are into it and i know this isn't new it's been going on for a little while the hipster thing you know no shade november's been a thing i've done that yeah right i mean this is this isn't new but the fact that it's lasted this long like i'm just telling you there's going to be a picture of this and a picture of you and then years later you're going to go i can't this isn't this is also not like the greatest revelation anyway. It's just fashion, everything cyclical and all this kind of thing. But there was a decade plus long stretch where guys were like daring each other to do it. And nobody would do it.

Nobody would do it. And you're into it. And you don't look terrible. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. I think you'd look good, too. I do the handlebars every now and then. I've seen you do the Fu Manchu.

Oh, yeah. It's not a Fu Manchu. You do the Fu Manchu. Oh, yeah. I saw it. It's not a Fu Manchu. I'll go handlebars once or twice a year, but then I go too long with it, and then I'll forget I have a meeting. And then this year, I took my driver's license picture with it and didn't think, although I really regret. They just let you fill it out, and I was like, why didn put down like 65 248 right just as like a joke but then you know you get some hard-o door guy be like oh is this really you and be like well do you think i'm actually 20 and have somebody else's id but sorry dude can't do it i tried to get pizza in burlington the guy wouldn't let me in because my license

had been expired for like three days so you never know um but yeah my my license picture like i may be on a watch list now because of that picture so yeah anyway i i like the handlebars every now and then may even do it now that we're talking about it but i just did it last august so go go for it sruti i'm no i was just gonna ask like what because you know you were saying growing up like yeah mustaches were weird i remember when i was a kid mustaches were super weird my dad had one for like most of my life and it was really just like the high he had like a a mole on his on his lip that he ended up getting removed but he just he just basically had a mustache to hide his mole for like 20 years um but it was weird growing up but now yeah now it's

totally normal i almost feel like the what like what's the weird like i think i think a thick goatee is kind of the weird like the move now. Yeah, the closer goatee. See, the thing is that goatee was very in for my generation in college. I did it numerous times. System of a Down guy. Yeah, all those rockers back in the early 2000s. Heath Bell. It was basically like, is this guy a closer or a seventh, eighth inning guy?

And a lot of dudes rocked it. And it was totally normal during the 90s and you're right that is that is now the one it's like you're still doing that yeah not like a not like a thin one like because kyle kind of has you i mean you kind of like you're a little patchy on the face right but you mostly have a goatee but like a big thick like goatee yeah it's just that that streams kind of i don't want to stereotype anybody, but you're putting out something. Some people like what they like. You know, I heard this years ago that the height that you are determines the angle that you see a person.

So, like, you know, if my wife was taller, she might be like, I'm not into that guy. But because of the angle, which I always thought I would look better being looked down on the top. But I think it's really, it's interesting that the height you are determines the angle you see someone like all the time and I guess I've got peak mustache angle for for my wife people just love looking up at a good stash you know yeah can I just push back on that a little how often do you think you're standing up when interacting with your wife I imagine there's a lot of couch time in there but she's still probably looking up though still looking up dude yeah cows back on the pushback i don't know i i see you getting deep in the couch though yeah we actually have separate couches because i like to go long ways and stare at the tv and she likes to be sideways and so it works out it looks at you it's the key to a happy marriage right there yeah never mind okay uh let's go here

my neighbor's kids suck all right let's go 35 57 165 nhl comp is carl haglin blazing speed but can't finish i don't know the pronunciation we could work on it but i'm not worried about it uh my wife and i have two kids, ages two and four, and been living in our neighborhood for three years. We've gotten pretty close to our next-door neighbors, which is pretty good since my wife and I work odd hours and don't have much time to see other friends. She's, okay, well, they actually have pretty cool jobs

that are like all over the clock. So he said don't read those, and I almost did, but we saved it. It's been awesome for us to have another couple to hang out with however there's just one problem their kids suck. They have kids there's three of them nine five and two we've had them over recently after three hours my two-year-old son looked like he got in a fight with a cat because their two-year-old claws his face. Also my four-year-old was pushed off a scooter twice and had a bad cut in his ankle and their nine-year-old Claus's face. Also, my four-year-old was pushed off a scooter twice and had a bad cut in his ankle. And their nine-year-old requested to see every room in

our house, including our master bedroom. We did not oblige this and everything was settling down until their five-year-old threw a window cling decoration at our ceiling, causing them to stick. When we tried to remove them, it stained our white ceiling paint. My neighbor attempted to repaint it, however, and will probably need to be professionally done since it's a textured ceiling. I understand kids are kids, but their parents never discipline them. They give their kids a half-assed, stop doing that. However, there's no authority in their voice. The kids listen for four minutes and then continue their behavior. When we were at their house, I watched my kids like a hawk to ensure they're not ruining my neighbor's home or misbehaving. My wife's had enough and does not want to have them over anymore uh-oh this is okay by me

since i do not like hosting however they invite us over often i fear if we do not reciprocate we'll start to get invited less also my four-year-old loves hanging out with their five-year-old son despite the abuse he receives from him my question is what do i do yeah right i mean that guy's awesome he beats on me my question is what do i do do right i mean that guy's awesome he beats on me my question is what do i do do i never invite them over again only to go over their house and see if we can maintain the friendship invite them over but only hang out outside uh this would be fine for summer however we live in a cold weather city and will soon not be feasible or should i just give it a few years and see if they finally instill discipline in their children any advice would

be appreciated since adult friendships are difficult um yeah you know look i'm on your side because there is really nothing worse than when it's a little kid and then their kid is doing whatever he wants and you're kind of looking at the parent going are you going to do anything here like i had a recent interaction where i was like hey like am i in charge now like what's what's going on here like we need and then i Hey, like, am I in charge now? Like what's, what's going on here? Like we need. And then I was thinking like, wait, am I being uptight? You know, am I being a little uptight? Cause I'm not around kids every single day, which is also a possibility. Uh, and then I was like, I went through it and went, Nope, it's not me. Like this kid's just kind of, kind of wild right

now. So when you were talking about your ceiling, like there's a good chance your kid could have thrown a clingy thing up on the ceiling, right? Clingy things are fun when you're little, you're not thinking about textured walls. Uh, the master bedroom, I think most people would say, Hey, that's pretty normal that you wouldn't want kids running around. I don't even want adults in my master bedroom. If you will come over to the house, but you know, kids again, kids are kids. There's a door and there's a mystery behind there they're going to go in there so i don't know that that's the most egregious thing but clearly you're over it and you really are annoyed that the parents don't do anything the parent it's a really fine line like my on my mother's side with the aunts because there was a

lot of cousins and we were all around the same age and we just had a blast together whenever we get together but if one of us fucked up there were there were plenty of other adults that would just let us have it now granted that's family even if it's extended family but everything was on the table like there was never a moment was like you can't say that to my kid now granted there's no relationship here you're not uh you're not related so you can't really get away with it that much so you're oh so you think is the adult here kyle he should be able to just yell at these kids because he's in the house yeah i'm definitely not suggesting beating these kids but i am suggesting being a little bit scary no i'm just saying i think that

you like there's nothing wrong with being like oh she doesn't fuck around he doesn't fuck around i had i uh my mom's friend aunt nancy that's what i call her she's not my aunt but i knew not to fuck around i was there often my mom worked I would get dropped off there sometimes, hang out with the kids. She had a bunch of cousins that like she would take care of their kids and stuff. And I just knew like, you don't fuck around with Nancy. She screamed. She screamed a couple of times. You know what I mean? She never hit me. Didn't think it was definitely out of play, but she didn't. But I'm just saying, like, I think I think there's nothing wrong with being like, oh, we're going over to his house and he doesn't fuck around. Like if the parent has an issue with it, like, I think I think there's nothing wrong with being like, oh, we're going over to his house and he doesn't fuck around.

Like, if the parent has an issue with it, then then I think maybe you can have a larger conversation. But I don't think there's anything wrong with like, this kid needs to know that, like, he's not the boss of this of this side of the fucking street. Surety. Two year old gets a little leeway, but I think the other ones put the fear of God in him. Yeah. One of my biggest fears as a parent is having like the shit kid that everybody doesn't like and i think you know so far like her temperament i think we're gonna be okay with this one but you know how is she doing by the way everybody says it's just easy yeah we don't we don't check in

enough well it's it hasn't i've been sick for about a month straight i just started taking antibiotics so the daycare germs i mean that like they could take down a rhino. Those things are freaking insane. So that hasn't been great. But her temperament is great. She's about to be a year this month, the 27th. So all good. But she has like a really good temperament.

Like sometimes I just think kids like like one of my buddy's kids is just kind of off the wall. And like that's just kind of like I don't think they're they're doing anything wrong. It's just kind of like, I don't think they're, they're doing anything wrong. It's just kind of, he's a boy. Like they're kind of insane. I think kids go through phases like that. So I know it sucks. I would just kind of say,

wait it out. Like how do you really like these people? Like you want to lose the friends? Like I, I just think when you parent, especially now, like Kyle, I think when we were growing up and Ryan,

you mentioned like the, the cousins and aunts and uncles thing that to me was way more prevalent back then. I had the same thing. I don't know if it's the same now. I think everyone's a little bit in their heads about like their own kids and everyone's like really protective and i don't know a little bit sensitive about it so i i i kind of think i just don't think you can like tell a parent one that they're doing anything wrong and to discipline somebody else's kids i just don't i don't think that's ever gonna fly so i kind of think you gotta wait it out what about a strong hey that works yeah that's fine especially if the guy especially if this guy isn't used to that think that's ever going to fly. So I kind of think you got to wait it out. What about a strong, hey, that works.

Yeah, that's fine. Especially if this guy isn't used to that. If that's not in his repertoire and like a really solid, hey, that might stop him. What I think you have to do is you have to do something like that in front of the parent that's not like super aggressive, but it lets the parent know that like, hey, this isn't cool. And then that should click in their head. They're like, hey, I got to kind of clean this up. Maybe they get embarrassed instead of being upset with you they're just like oh

shit we're gonna have a team meeting huddle up how are we gonna fix this but i wouldn't like you're not like taking this kid by the hand like disciplining yourself it has to be something really small you could say hey maybe can you leave the two-year-old behind and not have them come over and scratch our kid like that could be the way you get into the bigger issue that the kids are out of control and be like hey look we love the kids our kids love your kids love having them over which we know is a lie but you know your kid your kid went like gash city on our youngest and we just we just can't have that now who knows like reasonably you'd like to think reasonable people be like hey that's totally fair um fair. Um, but if they have, like, they may be like, Oh fucking, he's a two-year-old what's wrong with them. You know? Cause it seems like we're trying

to, we're trying to juggle a bunch of different things. I also think it'd be a little weird as a parent to be telling your kid who loves the neighbor's kid, like that's not happening anymore. Right. So there's, there's a few plays one one they never get to come over anymore your kids go over there all the time that's probably going to come up it's probably going to be an issue if they're super easy going or they're not that smart maybe they never figure it out i mean that would be kind of weird if they haven't worked on for three years on the house i don't know it's like never done yeah just say hey we have as a bet be like hey our kids are used to it we have asbestos over here but i just think maybe we just have them go over there all the time.

Yeah, they're immune. Yeah, that's weird. They got a shot. So I think I don't think you should just – like your wife has had it, had it, apparently ready to go to the nuclear option where she's just okay with the neighborhood kids never being in the mix anymore.

That seems a little drastic. And if none of the kids have any discipline, like part of me was thinking like you could pull the nine-year-old aside like nine is old enough to kind of understand when you're fucking doing something wrong where you go hey to the nine-year-old hey you're in charge of your of your siblings you're on notice now right you're on this is a warning yeah right and maybe you could do a kind of jokey in front of the parents make it a game yeah right like okay if you have less than two infractions over the next few hours but the thing is if they don't have a ton of discipline and you were trying to do like a jokey to the nine-year-old but you're really talking to the five and two-year-old that aren't even listening or that the nine-year-old's in charge of five and two like they may take that

the wrong way like if there's one thing i've learned is that people like to Suri's point, like rational thought kind of goes out the window when there's another adult talking to your kid. And if this is a newer relationship, it's probably near impossible to pull off. So I would not, I just, I wouldn't want to do that to my own kid, even though I feel you like it sucks that when you're in your own house and there's other adults and their kids are in there and you feel like you're responsible for all of them because their parents don't give a shit. Like it sucks. It's like unsettling.

Your kids are stressful enough and now you've got to worry about this war going on. Unless you have a basement with nothing that's valuable and you just go, okay, fenced in here's, here's inflatable balls and padded goals yeah there's nothing to actually touch um you know go for it and let us know you know just hit a bell if somebody's somebody's in trouble down there that's interesting

deputize the nine-year-old just like uh be like hey listen it's a new day you're starting off with five starbursts and uh every incident, you're losing him. I don't know. Just try to – he's the sheriff. You're the new sheriff in the basement. I'm saying that knowing it's not going to work. It's not going to work. Because if he's nine, he's been less disciplined

for even a longer amount of time. He's a veteran. He's a veteran of the chaos. Yeah, right. He may have self-awareness of like, hey, I know I shouldn't do this, but nobody says shit to me most of the time, so even though i know i'm not supposed to do it i'm still gonna do it anyway uh do you guys remember ever being disciplined by your friend's parents i have yeah

because there was like we used to get a little rowdy in my friend shane's basement and you know even like late into the night we play like we do like madden drafts and it was a low ceiling so like if somebody's got a touchdown they jump up and pop a ceiling tile out and like so what would happen is like you know they like the mom or dad walked to the edge of the stairs like shane could you come upstairs and then you knew shit was kind of down because he was going to get yelled at because you were being an asshole so you could kind of do that sort of angle of it we were also teenagers at that point so a little older but uh it is i don't know like maybe you do have to be older to like kind of feel that pressure but like if you yeah if if i don't know like there's it's almost like side of side

embarrassment i guess yeah we used to have uh it was like a i think it was a junior high sleepover deal where we all would sleep over this guy's house for like a long stretch it was really weird like we were just going over all the time and the problem with that was we get yelled at by the dad, but you always get yelled at for something you didn't do because whoever wasn't there was the one that was blamed. So if there was a stair railing, we got pulled out or something was missing in the garage or whatever. Like just any,

any list of things you could think of, like 13 year old guys fucking up. So you'd go over and then you'd be at the dinner table and it would just be this buzzsaw of accusations like did you and he would just like lean into it he was kind of intimidating he was kind of scary and you it was never you like that was the point is whoever wasn't there was the one that was blamed you're like oh that was ryan he did it last week mr what like i'm sorry and he'd be like he did it when's he coming over here again and then he'd be like oh he's coming over friday and he'd walk in be like what's up dudes what's going on you know let's get on the phone and start making it happen and

be like hey i need to talk to you and you'd be like what about what like you can't believe you broke because i remember this specifically like you broke the steel rail stair railing and i'm like i wasn't even here then i was like i didn't break it he's like well all the guys said you did i'm like you've not figured this out yet like whoever isn't here i mean it sucked it sucked uh but we never stopped going over i think he there may have been a kicking incident once i'm not sure we'll just we'll just leave it at that statue of limitations yeah yeah like we'd get rowdy and then he we'd all play dead we'd sleep in the living room on the floor and sleeping bags and then we'd never go to bed and then he'd come down and everybody'd all of a sudden be quiet and play dead and it wasn't like he didn't know what we were doing

but it was just don't move don't move don't move i think he i don't know if he went to kick his son and he kicked one of us by accident but we deserved it and it wasn't like you know a debilitating kick I think it was just pretty simple like a boot to the hip and you were like oh go to bed he was just constantly yelling I can hear his voice right now being like it's time to go to bed go to bed and then he had like an older brother that was obviously a musician and walked around in tighty-whities and took karate and told, I mean, he was right out of Central Fasting.

Mustache, was in a band, called us losers all the time, said he could beat up all five of us. Then there'd be like, hey, he's going to fight us today. It'd be three of us or something. It'd be like, okay, we're silly. You need to do this or whatever. And then we'd be like, what's the deal? And one guy's like, dude, he's got a glass nose and be three of us or something and be like okay we're silly you need to do this or whatever and then we'd be like what's the deal one guy's like dude he's got

a glass nose he's got a glass nose like just get him in the nose first and then we realized like you get older you're like that guy was a fucking loser right like to be going hey i'm gonna fight you guys today in the driveway because he was like in high school it's like put some fucking pants on and go on a date all right we covered that all right um all right let's do this one regret missing out on the college experience 27 years old 6 5 2 15 turned down d2 offers for basketball player comp michael porter jr uh but five inches shorter great shooter great. Great shooter that Michael Porter Jr. Long time listener. Let's get to the point. I missed out on the college experience

and it bums me out way more than it should. I went to a mid-sized college in the South. Please leave out the name. It was the same town that I was born and grew up in. It just sort of made sense at the time. I got a bunch of money for staying in state. Was there a groan there, Kyle? Oh, same town.

I mean, it's just a little different. Yeah, it's tough. I would have never done that. But here's his point. He got a bunch of money for staying in state. So my tuition was only a few hundred dollars a semester. Jesus. Nice.

That's to you. My parents wanted me to stay at home, save money on renting. I had no desire to go anywhere except for notre dame but knew it'd be too expensive my girlfriend of two years was also going to the same school fast forward four years towards the end of my senior year i actually started going out more hanging out with friends more regular but only a handful of times before graduating then going out to grad school so wait um you break up you lived at home he lived at home too that's tough yeah that's that's tough man although it's kind of like i think it's fun in another way i was kind of jazzed for dutchess

community college i mean i i got i got yanked out and went to potsdam like a week before classes started but i mean i was ready to meet the girls from other high schools i mean he's dating somebody but that's like it's still like it's another, it's still like, it's another, like, it's still like first day of school. It's still kind of cool. Not the same, but it's, there's, you could be, there's exciting elements of 13th grade. Yeah. But the commuter thing is pretty brutal.

Cause you're just, the commuter thing is right. The commuter thing is on top of everything else. And you're, you're living it. Yeah. I mean, you're living with your parents. Like, okay, you save some money on renting, you know look everybody's financial situation is is there as long as you don't have a curfew it's not terrible terrible right it's bad like well look it depends on how much you like your parents depends on the town that you're living in i mean again i would

have never ever i mean commuter school i would join the fucking military i'm not doing this sergeant rizzolo let's go all right so um he started going out towards the end i hated most of colleges i was in a hard major i didn't go to random happy hours i didn't hang out with friends in the dorms i didn't have crazy stories or go on fun dates or pick up girls my ex-girlfriend was very school oriented so life was pretty boring with her honestly for years i just thought this was what college was. If you had a harder major, you know, it's not like, I remember our senior week, we're like, who are these people? Now granted our class is way bigger outside of the social circle, but you'd start meeting like, you know, attractive girls. And you were like, who, who are you gonna be like, Oh, I've been an engineering major. Like, I'm like, did you

never go out and be like, yeah, you know, Oh, I was pre-med you know and he was like wow like who are who are these people granted their priorities actually were far more buttoned up than ours were at the time um so he said that he thought it was just a deal you study you do your stuff you go on with life it sucks in the moment but i get over it until present day i engage i'm engaged to my wonderful fiance i met in grad school in another state. So he went to grad school too. I'm overall very happy with my life. I've made tons of fun memories in the last few years post-college. However, I'm constantly reminded of how I missed out on what seems like a golden age of a time that I can't get back to now.

No matter where I turn, every one of my friends who I'm now close with, you know, wait a minute, let me pick this up here. Sorry. No matter where I turn everywhere I am with friends with now, I know who let loose, didn't care about responsibilities and had this amazing and memorable college experience are all starting to have families settle down or just want to go out, hit bars every few months or so. Every time we were out with friends, old, crazy college stories come up people, uh, in just as hard of majors. Every time I'm watching college football and wishing I was there and ready to go out of the bars after. Every time my fiance mentions all the things they do in school that no one is up to doing anymore.

And even when Ursula brings up the old college days watching Seinfeld, it fucking sucks. I feel incredibly lame admitting any of this. I even went to speak to a therapist to try to figure out why it bones me out what i can do she basically didn't understand me and just said just said to try to do more things at this age again this guy's 27 uh which like i said i do i've done more in the last three years than my whole life it's been great but no matter what i do i'll end up bummed out wishing i could have had that experience back in college i'm about to finish school, be an optometrist. I know I have a lot to look forward to with a good career and a future wife, but need to get over this hump.

Can the crew please give me some insight on how to move on and think about this differently? I'm so tired of feeling down about it. All right, man. Well, fuck, sorry. Should we go downsides? Should we go downsides of college? Yeah, just start talking about all the parts of it that suck.

It doesn't suck. It doesn't suck. I mean, that would be lying. It is. Sometimes I think college should be longer so that you can get over it, you know, because it's four years and it's so awesome for most of us that if it were eight years and sure, they'd love fucking charging us for eight years of tuition that maybe by like year seven you go okay i've had enough of this and then you get through year

eight that you don't spend the rest of your life going god that was fucking awesome i will admit right now i can hear a song and i miss college i will i will smell a smell and miss college i'll get a text from somebody about something and I will miss college. I had a great experience. I love the town. I love the school. I love my friends and all of that stuff. And yeah, we have the crazy stories. And yet I was still there for a long time and we've covered all this stuff and it was like, all right, it's time to fucking go. But once I was there and everybody else was gone, it wasn't like, I was like, Hey, what's the plan tonight? Um, cause I knew it was like this kind of line of demarcation.

So what you're feeling is different because you feel like you missed out. But I still miss it at times to a point where like, hey, and I'm old. I'm 20 years older than this guy. Like I'll miss it and go, is something fucking wrong with you? Is something wrong with you? Now, I think specific to my situation, if I had a family, if I had kids, I'd have new memories, I'd have new stuff and it would just get in the way. And like, if I call a buddy on Saturday about some dumb story and look, I know my friends like me calling him, but every now and then it'll be like, Hey dude, I'm going to flag

football game right now with the two daughters. Like, yeah, table this table, this, and I'll call you later, you know? And then I'll think like, oh, wait, maybe I have my own issue with it because I haven't replaced any of that stuff. The only thing I've replaced it with is a career, which is essentially the only thing I really cared about. So I feel you despite feeling you for different reasons with this um whatever i do when i go down that road of like missing it and going well this is what it's supposed to be though i'm not supposed to have that kind of fun for the rest of my life that's what fucking djs do okay uh get into dj college dj i i'm just telling you you're you're you're not alone but But the simple answer here is there is no real solution

other than you getting over it. And I don't know when that'll happen. A lot of times you just go, hey, I'm thinking about this less. I'm thinking about that. This doesn't really bother me. Or sometimes when you're bummed out about something, you can forget the thing you're supposed to be bummed out about. And then I'll remind myself, hey, what was that thing an hour ago that i was like oh that kind of sucks and then i'll be like what was it what was it what was it it's like well if i've forgotten it can't be that big of a deal so why am i forcing myself to remind myself to re-bum myself out of something that i've already moved on from now this is different it's longer lasting um there there was a time where a couple buddies and i were like we we should start, uh,

like a fantasy thing, but it's just, you get to pretend you're going back to college and you just pick a, pick a small town. And then old school, the movie came out and they were like, oh, you mean like old school? And again, the whole thing was stupid. And obviously we get really creepy because it was like, well, so what's going to happen? Like, why is it going to just let these guys go to this small college town and just get drunk and skip classes that they're actually not in and then golf a little bit and sit around and like that's what golf trips are for like it doesn't it does that whole thing was stupid um i feel for you on this because i understand it you're you're hearing this stuff and you feel like you missed out but really a credit to you is you made the most mature decisions when none of us were making

those mature decisions you saved money you saved your family money you got good grades you got into grad school you met your fucking wife in grad school and you know you're about to start a really good career so yeah there's a window that you're going to miss out on um you know for me my window ended up being from 27 to 48 That window of working on relationships and working on friendships being a priority and then the other stuff. So your window was the window most people don't miss, but you're setting yourself up for better windows. There's a lot of people that are looking at you going, oh, I wish I had done it that way. But there's no story to tell. There's a lot of people that are looking at you going, oh, I wish I had done it that way. But there's no story to tell. There's no crazy story that you're going to share after a few beers.

You're like, well, that's when I took 18 credits that semester. That's not a crazy story. I feel you on this. I'm sorry that you had to go to a therapist. But understand that the window that you missed, you took advantage of it in ways most of us never did. So whatever like the new awesome window is going to be for you, because this thing that you're missing is un-fucking-obtainable. It's un-obtainable. It can't be fixed. You are still going to wish that you had those funny stories and all that stuff. But what you need to do is give yourself credit for the

fact that moving forward, you've set yourself up better than like most people i'll ever talk to at 27 years old yeah and like yeah you did miss out uh and you missed out on a bunch of good stuff but like here's some things you missed out on that i i did my toilet five dudes one bathroom clogged for a month. We had a duct tape and shut. It was when I got the, the, the, like the town, uh, like safety involved that they finally got that fixed. Right. Uh, driving up to court five hours from home, uh, for an off seat, like out of school court session when no one's around, like there's a bunch of shit, like being broke all the

time, just all the time. Uh, stuff like that. Uh, trying to find out where you're gonna live whatever all that stuff uh you also missed out on too so i'm not sure i know that's not gonna make you feel better but um there's some like everyone's it's not everyone's not like happy all the time in college sometimes there's some shit that does feel like the end of the world and you're also like away from home and you're in this you know fragile setting that maybe won't if you fuck this up it won't be there and now you're you'll be

stranded in a uh you know a home away from home and stuff like that too so uh there's there's some there's some downsides too it wasn't all we didn't all have fun all the time that's a good point because you you do really only remember like the good things from college like obviously you're hanging out and like it's like this like four-year window of your life that isn't even real life you know for most of us which you know we're lucky enough to do that but uh well first off i you need a new therapist because i feel like your therapist shouldn't be telling you like that this isn't an issue or like you know or you shouldn't worry about this like their their job is to i've never been to therapy but i would assume that their job is to to help you out in that way so that's number one number two is uh off of ryan's point i think

you just you need you it's already an l so you like obviously it's gonna bum you out it's probably gonna bum you out forever but you need to make new memories so like can you do like i've always you know you brought up like the the adult college thing like i've always thought like adult camp you know you go there and you just like do something why like you you're gonna probably have money you have you're setting yourself up for a good job why don't you just you just need to do like a boy's trip every year and you know if you're like the head of it and you're planning yourself up for a good job. Why don't you just need to do a boy's trip every year? And if you're the head of it, and you're planning it, and it's your thing, and you invite

all... You need to do that every year. And that's how you make these memories that makes you forget that you missed out on college because you've been making these new memories and these other stories that you'll have with your buddies that you'll be talking for the next 10, 20, 30, whatever years. So that's an L. You missed out on it. But there's plenty of things outside of like, you know, you're getting married, you're gonna start a family, potentially, there's plenty of things you can do with your friend, you're still young, like you still do a bunch of stuff with your buddies in at least in the next 10 years or so. So I would do that I would, you know, I would just plan a bunch of stuff, at least a yearly thing that you guys could always kind of

go back to and talk about. And it's not gonna be the four year college experience. But it's gonna be something that's, you know, at least kind of close that's great be the commissioner of the boys trip group because nobody's going to want to do it really so if you know you take on that but then you also get the payoff of actually getting you know yeah pick a new city pick a sporting event picking of whatever like just do do that and that's going to be obviously it's going to be super fun but it's also something you could look forward to in the future not always just look back to although the cops with the always just look back to. I love the college with the guy to feel better because he wouldn't have a court date.

No, I'm just saying, I was just saying specific to me, there was a bunch of not so great stuff in college. What was the court date? Got knocked down to a misdemeanor though. It was grand larceny, but it was a huge misunderstanding.

Huge misunderstanding. Oh, I really did. I found something in the street. I told you this before. It was a black box. I would pick it up again. I would pick it up again. If there was a black box i found something in the street i told you this before it was a black box i would pick it up again i would pick it up again if there was a black box in the middle of the street could be a million dollars in there but um belonged to the fire department so what could you do well they have a tracer somebody tell on you no somebody was they

searched my room for something else and they found it and it just it was a black box that had a wait your room was being searched for something else yes they have a warrant um no it was like they searched a bunch of dudes room on our floor they thought somebody had a gun um and they found this box and it had a piece of masking tape that said pots and fire department on it that we just never took off and they were like oh this was reported stolen like four months ago and i was in court and you're like big misunderstanding yes i was like you're not gonna believe this um and it was a gas part of your defense was like hey you were looking for a gun you found a toolbox like right everybody's some sort of law about that yeah uh but i don't know apparently it was 1200 bucks so that is technically grand larceny damn i would also say

to our email or final thought here that once you have a kid you're not going to care about any of the stuff nearly as much as you do right now. So, you know, I think that's the blessing of having children that the stuff that consumes you, like you're just not going to have any time for it anymore. You're just not going to. So I am sorry that you feel that way because there are certain moments like at times I can be like, hey, I can feel that way about missing. But there's what's what's going to happen, you you know because i was looking at getting a house there um if i hadn't done some other things i was like would i ever get a house back in vermont and like some of the guys were like you know it's not going to be the same i'm like do you actually think i think it's going to be the same like do

you know how fucking insulting that statement is that i think it's going to be the same like i still just have a million friends here and i I know it's years and years removed, and it's not what it was. I just still really like the area. That has way more to do with it than I think like, hey, guys, it's Friday, softball, and then we're going to – 50 Cent Waves later. Yeah, recap stories on my couch around noon Saturday.

What do you guys think? Got a new Frisbee. Right. All right. What do you guys think? Got a new Frisbee. Right. All right. We're ending on that because that's the most college thing of all time. Like, what are we doing today? Kyle got a new Frisbee.

All right. Stop everything. Stop everything. Let's throw it seven times, have it get lost, get beers, and then we'll do that for 20 minutes. Do something else. All right. We're back on Friday.

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