The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Rob Gronkowski Talks Belichick in College and His Favorite Young Tight End. Plus, Freddie Gibbs on His Biggest Rap Inspirations and More.

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

Russillo is joined by Rob Gronkowski to discuss why Bill Belichick will be appealing to younger players, explain why we shouldn’t write off the Chiefs, and share the young tight end he says reminds him of a young Gronk. Then, rapper Freddie Gibbs joins the show to reveal his rapping inspirations, explain what he has left to accomplish, and talk about life. Plus, Life Advice with Ceruti and Wargon! (0:00) Welcome to The Ryen Russillo Podcast! (0:28) Russillo welcomes in Rob Gronkowski (5:26) Would Gronkowski have wanted to play for Coach Belichick coming out of high school? (14:30) How many people have asked Gronkowski about his relationship with Mike Vrabel? (20:05) What was it like starting a season after losing a Super Bowl the year before? (22:35) The Chiefs are still going to be a problem for the AFC (28:37) Tyler Warren reminds Gronkowski of a young Gronk (32:29) Freddie Gibbs joins the show (39:35) Biggest rapping inspirations (48:14) Strip clubs have the best food (1:10:05) On the Aaron Hernandez show (1:30:37) Life Advice! Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Rob Gronkowski and Freddie Gibbs Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, Mike Wargon, and Jonathan Frias Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode, we're mixing up a bit. Gronk for football. That makes sense. Freddy Gibbs at my house. One of the best guys going right now. Love his stuff. So we talk music and other things. So Freddie Gibbs, live for my living room and life advice.

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What's up, man? Good to see it. Yes, good to see you as well, Ryan. Always a pleasure to be on your show. Were people close to you excited that you were re-elected as ambassador, T-Mobile? Yes, they were definitely excited, especially my friend who gets 10% of the cut as well. he was the most excited about it because it keeps everyone going. But Friday night 5G lights is back,

and I am so excited to be a part of the action again this year. And T-Mobile is taking Friday Night 5G lights to a whole new level this year with its second year in the works. Obviously, you've got to always upgrade every year that you do something. You've got to make it bigger and badder. And we've got more winners. We've got more prizes and ultimately more ways to showcase hometown pride and empower communities.

And this year, we're giving 25 finalists, 25 different schools out there will score $25,000. $450,000 will win $5,000 through 5K Fridays. And then the top winner this year will be a million-dollar makeover towards a new field. Also, upgraded weight room by Grand Fitness, which is my family's company. tickets to the SEC championship game. So we're going big this year. It's an unbelievable program what T-Mobile is doing.

It gets these high school kids motivated as well, and it's just cool to be representing T-Mobile in this campaign once again. Are you going to be at the SEC title game? No, I won't be at the SEC championship game, but it's just a cool prize that they just add in there. And if you guys, these high schools that want to enter, you can get your teachers to enter. student council to enter

your gym teacher can sign the high school up whoever it is, you go to Friday night 5G lights.com Nailed it. Thank you. There's a lot in that. I don't mean that just because it's a sponsor.

Congrats to all you guys. You brought up something real quick, though, that I think it's kind of interesting because I was like talking to you about your story. When you were first on the scene, granted you've got a bunch of brothers it's an entire it's a small militia this family but were there people immediately trying to figure out how to like cash in on you because you just said hey my friend's making like the 10% so imagine it's a good standing long term working relationship

but when you're not just great at such a young age but you also have this stark quality to you what was it like navigating that my friend first off my friend deserves a 10% actually He deserves more. There's no doubt about it. I just like to throw jabs in. I'm a ball buster. So I just thought that would be a great way to kick it off. But what was the question again?

Yeah, a lot of marketing commissions are 20%. So you're doing well on that. I'm doing great. You're right. No, but you, it had to be crazy in the beginning because like when I think about these rookies that are drafted now and the guys with huge profiles, just of trying to, I think the Patriots and Belichick and everybody would probably do a good job of shielding you from that a little bit. But just deciding like, hey, this is actually a good opportunity between this is just the next

opportunity and I'm too young to understand how to filter through all of this bullshit. Yeah, actually, you're hitting it right on the point when you're a young buck and you've got opportunities coming your way. And here's the problem as well. You don't know how to say no either and you don't want to say no because you want to take that you want a piece of all these opportunities because it's new and it's presenting to you. don't know the difference of, you know, a good one or a bad one yet. And you have to go through the process. It's just like anything else. There's a lot of things out there that I represent

and I'm like, whoa, like that did not work out for me. That did not work out for the company. And then there was times as well where I pass on things. It's like, dang, like that would have been a great one. I should have never passed. And there's other times where I get overloaded with yeses. And I have too much on my schedule and it starts affecting your game on the football field because you're so worried about what's going on off the field. But you learn and you learn as you do it. You know, you learn as you go through the process of it all, of all the marketing and, you know, representatives of companies throughout the time. So I got it down inside and out now. I understand how it all works. The whole process works. But as a young

buck, you know, I was definitely thrown around a little bit. But I came out on the other side strong. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Good, good answer. Here's another young, wrong question. Do you think Bill Belichick, the college coach, would have been somebody you wanted to play for being recruited at high school? And another thing about the other question, though, is I did learn this as well, is that it will always be there if you take care of your business on the football field. And I've learned that right away, actually. So at that point, once I noticed that, I said, okay, let me just keep making sure I'm a great football player as well. I'm making big plays and I'm doing what I got to do on the football field. Then I don't have to worry about those marketing deals. They will come.

And with Coach Belichick at North Carolina, it's a mystery this year. I'm excited for college football. He kind of has that Dion Sanders effect right now. Everyone's interested in what the Tar Heels are going to do this year. But it's also like what are they going to do? Like no one knows, no one knows how Coach Belichick is going to be as a coach there. I mean, yes, he's the greatest NFL coach of all times. But no one knows what he can do in the college ranks.

and also with all of these different headlines going on and so many distractions, how is he going to come out on the other side of all this? So I'm very interested in it. And with all the marketing deals going on and everything, too, it's definitely new to him. He has to have a team underneath him that's dealing with all that because I know he doesn't really like to deal with that type of stuff. He's a guy that wants to just focus on the X's and O's and teach the game of football. So he has to have a team there that's dealing with the NIL stuff with these kids.

at North Carolina. Great answer. I think Gronk in high school is like, I don't want to play for that guy. Oh, okay. I just started going off and kind of forgot exactly what you asked. But no, I loved playing for Coach Belichick, and I would play for Coach Belichick if I was in high school going into college as well.

First off, just his resume as being, you know, one of the greatest coaches of all time in the NFL. Well, I didn't say one of the greatest coach of all time. in the NFL. And I like that structure. I'm a guy that likes to, you know, get, you know, get yelled at if I'm doing something wrong, just to put it easy, just to make it easy like that. I like to get corrected. I like to, you know, get put in my place, you know, what I have to be. And with a guy like Coach Balochek, who was in such, you know, a legend and so high in the ranks and knows how the discipline players, I like that personally and it's good for me

and that's why I felt like the fit in New England was great too because I can take punishment but at the same time I like to be myself as well and it makes me be myself more because when I do get punished I like to amp up my play and show hey you're not going to punish me again because I'm going to dominate we all need to get yelled at every now yeah exactly you know I don't know if there's a service to sign up for that

Now that you're part of the Fox team here, you know what I mean? Like, this is, this is, I know you've been on the show and everything. What's surprised you about yourself about this job and how you've gone about it? Oh, the preparation of it as well. You know, just being a football player, you think you can just talk football anytime. But it's a whole different ballgame. It's like, you know, when the camera is on, you're not used to it.

It, like, kind of messes with your mind. And you can freeze up very easily. It's live TV. It's not like it's tape, recorded, and then they're going to show it later, and you can have five different takes, you know, like a movie. You get one shot at it because it's live. And you've got to be prepared. You've got to be quick on your feet.

And you've got to make sure you're on top of your A game. Just kind of like the game of football. You want to make sure you're feeling your best when you go into it because it's alive. It's like you only get one chance at it. So I always make sure I prepare going up to it. I know like when I should work out and not work out because if I go in with, you know, go into Sunday sore, it kind of messes with your mind. You feel slower.

You don't feel like you're on top of your game. So I don't work out the day before just so I don't have the lactic acid, you know, going through my brain and my body. I'm not lying. It's a whole entire process. I don't, when I work out hard, I get slow and I can't think on, you know, like that, like on the dime. So I like to work out like Monday through Thursdays and chill out and then be full speed on Sundays. And that's kind of what was my routine as well, being a football player too.

In Tampa, I got off Fridays and Saturday and then I was full go on Sunday. That's incredible. I didn't think I was going to get that kind of answer that you don't lift before the, the Sunday pregame show. Yeah. I don't want to be sore and heavy. Dude, I'm like 36 now, and it does blow as you get older.

And, you know, you can take care of yourself and still feel young, but the recovery time is just not the same. When I was 22, man, I was just tossing up weight left and right, you know, and you just go, you don't even notice that you're sore. And now 36 years old,

took a big beating in my career. You know, I can feel a little bit the next day. I make sure I don't have to be talking, you know, the following day after a big workout. Oh, I love this. I love this. I love the info. You know, now I'm starting to think about my whole approach to everything. Don't you wish you'd just go back in time and tell your early 20 something being like,

you have no idea how gifted you are. Well, I guess you became a Hall of Famer in the NFL, so it worked out for you a little better than me. But I just think, like, I wish I'd played in every single pickup game imaginable. You know, I just wish I did. I mean, it sounds so stupid for a regular person to be talking about a row athlete about this. But when you're in your early 20s, you cannot comprehend how just gifted your body is in the recovery part of what you can put it through. And there's guys right now, like, when I look at guys in college or early 20s, and I'm like, you don't even work out now.

You don't do anything active now. Like, what an absolute waste of what your body is able to do right now. It's really hard. I agree with you, man, and just to comprehend right now what I used to put myself through when I was, you know, young 20, mid-20s and was able to just wake up and just go again back out on the football field and just do a full speed. I'm like, yo, if I try to match that right now, I would be on the IR in the first 10 minutes of the practice. Like, it's incredible. You got to really, really, really be tuned in with your body and take care. of it in order to maximize uh like like how how much you want to be in shape and all that type of

stuff once you get older do you find yourself you because i think certain people now with the platform at fox with your career you know some guys i mean this is always kind of a delicate thing and i promise i'll make the point here but some guys are like hey i'm the old head now and like i got to reach out to all these guys you know if i'm a receiver i got to reach out to the receivers like i've seen this done on TV. I'm the quarterback. And then I could also see some current players, active guys, not being receptive to that whatsoever, being like, hey, nice career, nice job on TV. Like, I don't actually need to hear from you.

So how do you handle that? Do you talk to anybody? Do people reach out to you when it comes to this group of tight ends that we have in the league? Every once in a while, I went to tight end you this year. It was just cool to talk to some of the guys. They do such a great job there with George Kettle, Travis Kelsey, and Greg Olson putting it together. I'm talking like a fabulous job that they do. And it's not just learning football. It's just coming together as a group of tight ends as well. And you do learn the game of

football. You get some points, some great talking points, you know, in the film room from players that go up and just talk about, you know, what they do to get off of the line of scrimmage, what they do in the blocking game. So you can learn a lot as well and pick up, you know, some, you know, qualities from these, from other tight ends. And but, you know, not really like that. Every once in a while, I run into more college kids. Like one of my coaches in the NFL is now in the college ranks. And they're like, hey, can you just talk to my, you know, my tight end here?

And that I, you know, give more advice, I would say, to the younger, younger bucks, like the college level types, even the high school kids, well whenever I run into, you know, a coach that's in high school or somehow my friend knows someone that's going to be a tight end in high school. So it's the young bucks that really reach out and like to get advice. How many people have asked you about Vrable and realizing you just missed him in New England? Everyone thinks I'm like best friends with Vrable and everyone thinks like we won championships together. But I've never even met Coach Vrable ever in my life. Actually, one time real quick at the NFL honors, and it was for five seconds. So I don't really count that as

truly meeting someone. So it's like we just missed each other in New England. I feel like we would have been great teammates together. I feel like we would have loved each other. We feel like have the same mentality out on the football field, just get the job done and go full speed. But I really love what he's doing here in New England right now. And he's just turning that program around. He's demanding discipline, which I love, but at the same time, he's also like a player's coach, like he's breaking up fights, you know, he's getting players to laugh. He's, he's getting hit, you know, in drills and doing the drills. But he's jacked. Like, this dude is jacked as well. Like, to be able to sit there and put put the pad around you and then have a lineman come off of the line of scrimmage

and just, you know, jack you up with their hands. And he just takes it. Like, that's impressive for being a coach, you know? Wow, I didn't even know that. I didn't even know that he was, I mean, I knew he was pretty, pretty well put together guy. But look, I've even have to, whenever I'm doing interviews of guys and guys careers, I think I know pretty well, I'll have to look it up every now and then. And it's like, yeah, he actually just missed him.

And then I've seen you be asked about it so much. When you're back in the area, though, do they want you to come back and watch practice? I'm great friends with RKK. and he says whenever I want to come by, I can come by. But I'm going to be honest, like, I'm a guy that, you know, once I'm done, I don't really, you know, like, I don't really like to go back right away. Like, I was still too, I'm still too fresh, you know. So I would say I can see myself doing that soon.

And in a couple years, but I've been invited plenty of times. But I would have to be really feeling it to go back out to, like, a practice. or something and check out ball. But I love watching the games, following up on everything that's going, but to go out to the practice field, it's just not in me yet.

It just isn't. Like, that's why I haven't been back. I think that's a great answer, okay? I wonder if there's more to that. Because, like, right now, you're less than 10 minutes away, right? And so, is that because is it because you saw older players

like hanging on? Because I do think the Patriots thing, and I wouldn't even say specific New England, any team that has that kind of run, that kind of history, I think they want that history to be around to remind the active guys. So I think that there's a program like motivation behind the whole thing. But I also can see where you're coming from because it'd be so convenient for you to do it like today, if you wanted to. But your hesitance, I don't know if it has, like it feels like there might be more in there. Your hesitance of like, I don't know that I want to be a guy that the younger players are looking at being like, hey, dude, nice stats, but like we're trying to do work here.

Yeah, that could be, you know, a little bit of it. It's like, it's like I'm trying to hold on, you know, and for real, I kind of am sometimes over the last two, three years. It's thoughts in your head like, man, you know, can I still play the game of football, you know? And it's like, I just don't want to go to a practice then and be sitting there and having those thoughts in your head yet. That's why I said it probably in like two, three years when it's like, when it's not so fresh, then I could see myself like going back to a practice or so hanging out, chit-chatting. I mean, I was there last year. They didn't go to any practices. I just went inside the building for a couple of things I had to do. And it was so great to see so many old faces that I haven't

seen in a while and catch up with so many great people that I met throughout my time there. and I was supposed to go there for 15 minutes to do a gronk spike thing in the Hall of Fame, the Patriots Hall of Fame thing over there so that anyone can walk by and they can, you know, a gronk spike of football

to see if they have the same power as I do with a gronk spike. And then I ended up cutting through the cafeteria and I was there for an extra two and a half hours of chit chatting with everyone. And also, you got to be on point. Like, you got to be on point. If I go back, like I'm going to be talking

for three, four hours straight, you know, and reminiscing so many times. And I tell you the truth, I'm not a guy that likes to sit there and talk for four hours straight. Like, I'll be like, come over to my house, like one person at a time, like Jimbo, the trainer there. Come over to my house. Let's hang out.

But like it's overwhelming when like everyone's coming at you and everything at once. So just never really been my thing to go out back to a football practice. Like we had the Super Bowl last year and we were invited out to go to the chief practice and the Eagles practices. and I was just like, ah, you know, it's just not my thing to do yet. Yeah, no, I think that's cool. And if you do go back, when you do go back, clearly you won't be able to lift for like two days prior to that

because you're going to have to talk and you're going to have to stay fresh. Well, in that case, I'm not going to be on air. So that's fine. I can lift the day before. Excellent, I have to be on air and super quick with it. A couple more years. I don't know. I'm just, you know, just planting the seat.

the Chiefs coming off the Super Bowl loss what was it like coming off that Eagles loss and and gearing up and finding a way to get back and win

the next year against the Rams like I feel like I want to ask you a lot of the playoff history stuff but that's specific is I think anybody writing off the Chiefs is just I don't know how many people

are actually doing it maybe it's just because people feel like it's not new it's not as exciting I've heard some of this Mahomes talk that I frankly find kind of surprising but coming off a playoff loss.

And granted, that one of a few guys against Philly is like down to the last, you know, possession. It's disappointing. Kansas City got to put on them. So what is it like that whole offseason and building back towards winning it? Well, it was kind of like that for every single year in the off season for us. Even if we lost not in the Super Bowl or we just lost in the playoffs, we would hurry up and rebuild and know that we're going to get back to that point to have a chance to win a Super Bowl. So it was like that my whole entire career, my whole 11 seasons in the NFL, it was Super Bowl or

bus basically. It really was. I went to six Super Bowl in 11 years, which is just out of control. And every year, if I didn't make it to the Super Bowl, I was either in the AFC or AFC championship game or basically in the division championship game, which is just absurd to just be able to say that. But like after that Philly loss, I mean, it was a debacle here. I mean, I remember that season. And that was when I got traded to the Lions and because I was just, I was just being out of control as well that offseason. You know, there was a lot more to it. But then I just rejected the trade. Obviously, there's that whole story.

It's out there already. Talked about it plenty of times. And I knew like, no, like I ain't going to the Lions. I'm going to stay here. I was just, I was just causing problems just to cause problems because I wasn't really happy at that time. But let's get back at it. I'm over it. I'm over the loss.

Let's rebuild. And I think we have another shot at a championship. I got another year or two here in New England. And then we ended up doing it. Then we went to Atlanta and we beat the L.A. Rams in the Super Bowl. And then I retired after that year here in New England. So just always knew, even after losing a Super Bowl or losing the playoffs, that when I was on New England, that we were always going to have a chance again the following year. and just to learn from the mistakes that we made the previous year.

So I would put you down as somebody who believes Kansas City still has a chance then, obviously, right? Oh, well, they definitely still have a chance, especially with Patrick Mahomes at the quarterback home. You got Andy Reed, you know, one of the greatest coaches, you know, to ever coach in the NFL. He's definitely top three for sure. But, yeah, the chiefs will always have a chance. They've been running that division for a long time. But it's just like us with the Patriots. Everyone was like, ah, you know, they just lost.

Are they not going to have a chance? Well, we had Tom Brady at all times. You know, we had so many greats around him as well. It didn't matter how the season ended. There was always going to be another chance the next year, and they're always going to be in that position to have another Super Bowl run. And the Chiefs will have that chance to have another Super Bowl run for sure. I mean, they might not make it to the Super Bowl this year,

but they're going to be in the mix, no doubt. Can I ask, though, because you said about that off-season, because we've kind of talked about it, and I've read all the stuff about it, but I don't know that I've ever asked you directly. Was there a moment you're like, what the fuck? I just got traded. Yeah, it was out of control. I mean, I was ready for it. I knew it was going to happen because I was being a little absurd over here. I was a little out of control, and I wasn't answering calls or anything.

I don't really want to get too far into it. I'm not asking you to get it all in the way. It was absurd. I was literally like, I was literally like, there it is. I just got traded and I was like, it ain't happening. I'm done. I'm not playing. I'm only in that I was like, I'm not playing anymore.

And then I was like, I'm only playing for the New England Patriots, you know, at that time. So it was a pretty crazy situation. It really was. Was the Jets loss early in your career, the playoff loss that maybe pissed the room off the most? You'd just beat him 55, or excuse me, 4. 45 to 3, week 13 of that season, and then you come back. You may have experienced it differently because you were so young, but that of your entire playoff resume of the playoff losses,

that always feels like the one that you're like, how the fuck did that happen? Yeah, I mean, I was so young, you know, I really was. I was 21 years old. I was a rookie. We lost to them, I think week two, lumped them like week 13 that you said, and then lost to them in the playoffs.

And now I go back and realize, like, whoa, that was one of our best teams where we didn't win a Super Bowl. You know, at that time, like, I didn't know, like, what a good team was because you're just a rookie, you know. You know, you don't truly understand the game inside and out. But it was a tough loss. It really was. And that offseason, you know, I remember like, okay, I got a grasp of the playbook now. I got a grasp of how the NFL works and operates as a player. And I knew going into that, you know,

into my second year in the NFL that we were going to be dominant. I was telling my agent, I was going to be the best tight end you will ever see going into that year. And he literally was like, and that was Drew Rosenhouse. And he's all positive. He always is. And he goes, grack, grack, I love you. I love you.

You're going to be a great player. But like, you know, there's ways. in there's Antonio Gates and Gonzalez I was like, no, I go, I understand. But this year, I am going to absolute dominate. We were in my backyard running 200s together. I was like, no, I'm going to be number one. I'm telling

you, I'm going to be number one. And he just couldn't believe it. And then it happened that season. And he's like, you call it, you call it. He goes, I was wrong. I was wrong. You call it. I mean, I knew you're going to be good, but not that good. So, but as a rookie with that loss,

you didn't truly understand, like what it meant, but then going into that offseason, seeing Aaron Rogers win the Super Bowl as well, and seeing like, you know, how much joy that looked like, that was like, okay, it's time to turn it up. No more losing. Yeah, and you followed through on that. Last couple of thoughts here before we let you go.

As you gear up like your own preparation for television and, you know, I do it for all the sports that I cover. Like, all right, here are the real contenders. Is there a team, is there maybe an offense that you really like what they're doing in particular that maybe is a little off the radar as opposed to just the normal four or five teams that ever was like, hey, these two teams, or these five teams can win a Super Bowl? Is there a team that's outside of kind of that accepted group that you like a little bit more than others? Oh, I really liked the way that the Miami Dolphins were playing, but like two years ago. You know, it was kind of like a new scheme. and then all of a sudden like everyone caught up to it like right away and they didn't know how like they don't know how to make any adjustments and able to you know take that style that they were having to a whole nother level I mean they were putting up 70 points a game they went Denver like 75 to like 10 that game and it was just absolutely wild what they were doing on the offense side of the ball and I was literally sitting there like if I was the tight end in that you know in that situation and that offense

it would be absolutely wild and amazing to be because they just got so many fast guys and then I would be the guy that knows how to work middle of the field and they didn't have that at the time. So I was watching them like two years ago, like that would be so cool to be playing in that offense if I was in my prime. We would be truly, truly, truly unstoppable

because you got Tyree Hill going, you know, full speed down the field. You got the other guy, Waddle, going full speed down the field too. I would have been able to work middle of the field like versus a linebacker every single time. I mean, it would have been great. But then they took a shit a little bit. They have.

They're not caught up the date. Everyone else caught back up to them. But there's a player I really, really like, who's a rookie this year, who I thought was going to be the first tight end taken. And it's Tyler Warren. And I watched him in his first preseason game. He played the first 20 snaps.

And he was so good on all levels of the field. And he kind of reminded me of myself. I watched him at Penn State. I really fell in love with him. He had three catches in the first quarter for like, I don't know, like 50 yards. He ran my play action over route. He knew how to get open and get away from the linebackers. He knew the Zach target, like where to go because it's a feel route, you know,

depending on how much the linebackers bite. He also ran like a Julian Elliman route where you go up five yards and you come back out. I never ran that. I was too slow. I was too big for that. And he ran it to perfection, a whip route, it's called. a whip route and i was like damn he's doing that at that size and then he ran a 12 yard out kind of like myself back in the day and i was like this kid's big and he can move and he made the

guys tackle him and and punish him uh you know for tackling him but i don't know how he's going to be in the in the run game i didn't see any of that but i really like what i saw in the past game from him yeah i loved him loved him in college and uh it wasn't like he was surrounded with a ton of weapons too like there's a lot of games uh especially you go back a couple of years where it's like we don't we have to keep going to this guy because it's the best option they moved around all over the place so i love the actual i like the actual the detail the extra detail on the route stuff i also want to give your boy jules a shout out because i know dudes on dudes is is still going strong yes it is checking it out this morning get the podcast uh so you'll have that

cranked up again throughout the season right yeah yeah um whenever i'm out in l a i go to the nut house and that's our studio where we've been there podcast. Yeah, the Nathouse, baby. Have you ever been on games with names? I have. I love his crew. His crew of guys are hilarious. That's why I did it, man. I went on games with names,

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favorite rappers going right now it's fredi gibbs what's up man hey man i'm here and chill i appreciate you having so the album is everything i'd expect uh because i didn't know what to expect uh feeling makes me feel lonely and I'm not even lonely. This shit, Larry June is doing on that. I just, I would ask, like, really simply, when you're thinking of an album, you're thinking about what you want to do, what did you want this to be? I was really, you know, I just really was trying to make something different than the first one, because, you know, I made the first one with Alchemist, and then, you know, when we decided

to work again, I just was really just trying to just, I'm just improve. you know as a rapper and just uh get better at putting together albums and you know voila i think i just want to just add a piece to the um to the you know the series that we kind made really to be honest yeah i i wonder about that process especially with somebody like alchemist where like your ear his ear the combination the different styles that you've had over your career like what is it when you hear something or he brings something to you or you bring lyrics to him like how does that work when you're getting through something like this honestly i think that's the easy part you know um the music the music is probably the easiest part of this to me um

you know aside from like you know letting all the emotion out in the music and you know and displaying like the pain and the music other than that like the actual process of making it that's the cool part um you know really with this album i was more focused on how we were going to come across with it like what the cover was going to look like um everything to like what colors we were going to use you know what i mean the whole like just bringing it across you know visually um i knew the music i knew the alchemist was going to take care of the music i wasn't worried about that like i really just wanted to just come with a different idea that's why you know like with this when we took the japanese theme type of stuff and you know implemented that into the

idea of bringing the album across because we wanted to you know get people an experience, not just, you know, some songs to listen to on Friday, you know? There is something, though, about, I think, your style, and again, I don't know if it gets back to your ear or not, but, like, even, you know, again, the piano and feeling, and then I was watching the tiny desk concert the other night, and it was like your piano guy was just supporting everything that you were doing. And as much as I love hip hop, I would tell you, in my experience of going to, like, live shows, it doesn't feel musical. You know, it doesn't feel like it has the melodies that i think whatever your approach has been um they they support

each other in a way that i think is pretty rare in the genre right i think um like especially like when i'm working with like live band and live instruments and stuff like that i mean i know that i'm gonna go you know it's like jordan i know i'm gonna go score 30 when i go perform you know what I'm saying. It's like, really, it's just picking and choosing how I want to do it. You know what I mean? Do I want to dunk? Do I want to shoot threes today? Do I want to, you know, how I want to, how I want to score today? You know what I mean? That's how just how I approach, like, performing, how I approach rapping, period. You know what I mean? I know I know I'm going to do good at it? I'm not worried about that factor of it. It's how I'm going to do good at it that sets me apart from everybody else. You know what I mean? Like what I'm going to do, my method of it, you know? Every time my rap, I try to make like a new flow that nobody ever really did so you try to copy you know like oh yeah that's freddy gift flow you know what i'm saying so that's what i be trying to do you know because there is anybody that's listening to the catalog like when i think about thugging you're coming out and you're like all right and it i it makes me it makes me laugh a little bit just because i've been paying

more attention to some of your interviews and the the lyrics and that are like i'm never going to change and now i feel like you've started talking about how you're going to change a little bit Black is in the room. I would have one complaint is that I wish it were like five minutes longer once you got into it. And then some of the slower stuff. So you are, it feels like constantly challenging yourself to change this up and not being the same predictable type of flow that we have from a lot of other guys. No, I definitely want to, you know, and that's what I love about Alchemist because it's like he,

every beat he presents like a new challenge, like a new way that I got to like adapt to make, you know, make the song, you know, enjoyable. You know, him and Maddley, they're the best at that. You know, Madly would probably trained at that because he was giving me a lot of, like, weird-ass beats that I was like, man, what in the fuck? How do you rap on this? You know what I'm saying? And then I was like, all right, once I, like, you know, rap my mind around it, I figured out what he was doing. And he was, like, challenging me to become, like, you know, a better rapper.

Like, if you figure this out, nicked, then you, you're crazy. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, he wasn't going to get a beat to nobody else, and they wasn't going to do what I was going to do to it. So like when I got like a beat like thugging, it was just like a little loop. And I was just like, I don't know how I'm a rap on this shit. And then, you know, sometimes you got to go like draw inspiration. So I like went to go like listening to like some like Rayquine, some ghost face and shit like that. And I was like, hmm, I'm going to approach this as if how they would approach it.

And, you know, just put my own flavor on it. Some of the mad libs stuff. My brother, who's younger, introduced me to him because I have, like, some gaps where I would get frustrated. So I was like, I think I'm out now. And, I mean, that's just another level of just how he's, like, I was just so fired up for you to be doing anything with him over the years just because they give you, like, Madlib, you're just kind of a different guy. Yeah, I agree. I didn't, I wouldn't really hip to Madlib until I started really like, till Lambo put me in tune with it and had me started working with him. And then, you know, then we just got super close like that, you know.

And like I said, working with him made me a better rapper than I was before. So, you know, it, like, sharpening me up. It, you know, I think, you know, that's the reason why I can, you know, do this, you know, Alfredo 2 now to this day and had a longevity that I got, you know, because I got sharp during those days. It was like training. The other thing, the other thing I really, you know, I was, you know, it seems like there's a whole generation of people that didn't listen to De LaSoul, right? Because they weren't available in any of the streaming. and then you just get flooded with it and you're like a hope like I'll put on stakes as high and if it came out last week I wouldn't be surprised right right right that's probably like the best compliment you can give to some of stuff like how long has it been out and then it just sounds this good that's kind of how I feel about with you where if somebody had said hey have you ever heard freddie gives before I maybe the first time I would hear it I'd be like what year did this come out and then if somebody said this came out last week right that again it speaks to your originality and everything that we're talking about that you're trying to do because I think it's really simple for me being old

and going like oh hey i hate all of it across the board now like what the hell's that guy doing that doesn't even sound real like that's not even a verse i don't know what the fuck that was he rhymed the same word 12 times um i i don't know if it's your influence over over your years like what was the first what was the first thing that you heard we were like i'm doing this um the first thing that i heard that made me be like i'm gonna rap well i guess there's probably like a gap between inspired and then actually making that decision professionally. The first rapper that made me be like, yeah, I'm a rap was 50 cent. That's when I was like, yeah, I'm a rap.

I love what he's doing. I'm going to do that too. That's the first person that made me like, be like I want to rap. The first person that made me like fall in love with rap, period, as a child, Scarface. You know, when I heard like Mr. Scarface and like, we can't be stopped, that was like, you know, it clicked because it was like I could relate to everything. Everything they were saying, you know what I'm saying, everything that he was rapping about, I was seeing when I walked out the door. So it was, you know, that click for me.

So if you think about, like, it's funny that you brought a 50 cent because I was thinking about in preparation for this and that, like, it wasn't just that he was so different. Go ahead. I admire this whole, this whole hustle about the game, like with the G-Unit mixtapes to from the G-unit, everything that he was doing, like the business side of. It was, you know, it was, it was impressive to me. That's, and that, that was real inspiring. Okay, because this is going to sound really stupid, but I'll share it with you. There's an authenticity part of it that you have to have, I think, to be taken seriously. You know, depending on, like, which lane you want to be in.

You know, I mean, it's funny for De La Sol, like, they didn't have to deal with any of the shit from the jump. They're just themselves. I think, I think overall you just got to be yourself and, you know, who you are is going to, like, shine into your music automatically. I think you could tell when somebody's faking. You know what I mean? You might be able to. Like if I was in high school, I didn't know any better, right? There was no way to even look at any of this stuff.

You could look. I listen back to old stuff and I'll be like, damn, yeah, he was definitely not doing that shit that he was rapping about. But was it your own background that once you learned about 50 cents that you were like, okay, like this actually might be possible? Because I know that this is 20 years ago, but I remember me and my friends from. started listening to him and it's really stupid but it's kind of the rule of consumer as they were like oh and he got shot too and it's like you know there's a reason to the mystique you know what i'm saying like but it's bullshit but it's how we felt you know it's stupid but i'll admit it it was just like an underdog story to me you know and that's what made me really interested in it you know what i mean

like everybody was going against him trying to stop him from being getting signed and stuff like that and then they shot him all that like i said you know i mean he made a song about hate the love of the underdog so top i mean it was a real underdog story so i think america love that when you told your friends you were like i think i'm gonna rap how did that go over uh they was laughing at me a little bit someone was laughing at me someone supported you know what i mean um and you know the ones that did they're still around and the ones that didn't you did you did you kind of know though like was there somebody because you're also coming from an area where it's not like you're, you know, exposed to all of this stuff.

Correct. So there has to be this, like, moment where maybe even you don't believe it. It's like, well, I've got to go out here and do this. I'm always kind of curious about, like, that phase of convincing yourself, or was it pretty evident immediately that you had the talent to be able to do it? Um, I think it was pretty evident immediately. Like, I think that I was always, like, the best rapper in every room I walked in where I was from, like, immediately.

Like, it wasn't no question. You know what I'm saying? It was like, you know, if you was going in there and I was doing the session and he was getting on a song with me, you know, you had to, you know, I was known for that. You know what I'm saying? I was a killer from the junk. I don't even know how it came about or would it, because I didn't, like, rap in high school or anything like that.

I never, like, practiced it or anything of that nature. It's, you know, God just put it in me. You know, and I just, and I, you know, I know, I know rap very well, you know, from, studying and being a fan of it. So, you know, I just looked at a lot of like do's and don't, what not to do, what to do, things that I would try. What didn't you want to do? What didn't I want to do? That's a good question.

I didn't want to rap bad. You know what I'm saying? I didn't want to, you know, how to have a, had a worse verse on a song. You know what I mean? Because when I started out, it would be songs. it'll be like eight guys on it or something like that. You know, it was just all about just not having the worst verse or having the best verse, you know what I mean, on certain things.

And, you know, I don't know. The fact that I always looked at it as a competitive thing, I think kind of made me better at it. You know, it really made me hone in on being, you know, a good rapper, so to speak. You know what I mean? And, you know, and just listening to, like I said, great rappers like Scarface, Tupac, J.Z.

I know those, you know, are cliche names, but I mean, you know, they, up their names are up there for a reason, you know. Yeah, that's a good point, too, though, because I don't, like, whatever anybody puts together their top five or whatever, like, rarely is anybody like, hey, that guy's super popular, but he actually sucks. I think it happens in other music where some of these. It kind of fluctuates, I think, you know what I mean, because it's like sports, man, with every era, you know, things change with rap and things of that nature. So, you know, I think a top five, top 10 could kind of like fluctuate, you know, I think. Yeah, I think so. And obviously there's a little personal taste, but it's usually like the same collection of names, you know, like it's hard to, it's hard to crack the top five FTA ever. I agree.

That's true. So maybe in that six to 15 range is changing. Yeah, it does change, I think. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, everybody always talks about like, hell, I want to go see Delafunk, Homo Sapien for, Eltron 30-30, the anniversary for that. And, like, everybody laughs at me because I'm like, he's my favorite. He's my, just because of his ability to put all these different things together.

And then I get kind of the reaction I just got from you where it's like, oh, that's an interesting one. Right. See, I got like, I got little Wayne in my top five. Maybe I didn't probably like 10 years ago. But I do now, I think, over the overall body of work, I would say, you know, I think the hit top five rapper of all time, I would say. Do you think you look at it differently, though?

I mean, because you're doing it? Yeah, I mean, I know me doing it, you know, really, I kind of like stay out of those conversations about like who's the best rapper. You know, you know, sometimes I can step back as a fan and look at it. But like me doing it, you know, I could really look at another rapper and be like, and listen to him and technically be like, oh, shit, that was impressive. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, I need to work on that. You know what I mean? If I want to do that or if I want to, you know, rap like that or, you know,

take something from that you know we all as rappers you know listen to each other and compare and contrast you know i'm saying and i know when some shit is impressive and i know when some shit is not you know i'm saying so you know i know somebody's a rapper i'd be like yeah yeah he can really he really doing what he's supposed to do i grabbed you that water and then i forgot to give it to you okay all right well it's there in a liquor in there is it we could do that for you oh man i'm trying to you know what i'm trying i'm going sober for the month before my tour so we only got what a couple more weeks yeah man sober august you don't hear that a lot you know what man i went so hard in fucking april may june july like i feel like bro i've been going

hard like because i knew this album was about to come out and shit so i just been and my birthday came up i just been like partying and shit i always get fat during the summer i got fat this summer and shit so i was like all right let me get myself back right ready for tour and shit because i got all in shape for the movie and shit for the alfredo shit doing the karate shit and sores i'm like man fuck this shit i need to take a break so this summer i was just doing bullshit i was eating whatever the fuck i want to eat a lot of strip club food wings and shit you know what i mean just fucking off not really working out so now i'm back on my routine before the tour start i got to admit i don't know if it's a cultural thing i've never been super hungry at strip

clubs and yet i feel like i'm missing out yeah you are yeah you are they got some of the best cuisine in america like i just came up here and asked you do they have good food around here i will take you to some strip clubs or they have great food not inglewood in englewood yeah no okay no no see then the checks out i have to leave a state have to leave the state yeah i don't know when i go to Atlanta now it's not the first thing it's usually going to stop over for me now i ain't been in Atlanta in a while but i you know i could definitely take you to some strip clubs with some good food all right i don't know i can't All right, we're going to put that out of the two lists, definitely for sure.

So are you in Miami now? I'll be here, I'll be, you know, I'll be back and forth. Where do you like it the most right now? This summer, man, like I was like, let me really take a break because I've been living in L.A. so long. I was like, let me like live in Miami and live in Chicago. That's because you were like on vacation from normal. Yeah, I've just been like chilling.

It's been floating. I don't really live nowhere. I just live where wherever I laid my hat is my home, man. I don't know where I live. You know what I'm saying? I was shit. I stayed in Europe so long this summer. I was like, damn, do I live here?

I was in Europe from like June to like fucking the end of July. Like, so shit. What place overseas loves you the most? That's a good question. I don't know, man. It seems like you haven't answered a big smile. I can live in Paris and I don't even need to speak French. They just do everything.

They love me over there. I can live over there. Shit, man. I don't know, dog. I just came from Morocco. They were showing me love. I don't know, dog. I just, you know, I just love traveling, man.

You know, being from Gary, Indiana, man, and just being able to experience all of the stuff that I experienced, man. It's a blessing, man. I don't take a day of it for granted. It's got to be wild, though. Like, I'm just trying to imagine a little bit, like, where you come from and then to just, like, run through Paris, and everybody knows that it's you.

Yeah, I'd be in Paris riding bikes. People be like, Freddie. I'm like, yeah, I just beat each other. I like going places where I could just be normal and just chill, you know, ride a bike, go get a cup of coffee. and so you can just leave you can actually leave your hotel yeah i can leave hotel yeah some people i mean people gonna fuck with me for pictures a little bit but i don't get a fuck about that that's what you do it for right yeah i mean i'm not worried about nobody like fucking fighting me and no shit like that so i just

be i be chilling you know what i mean i like you know mixing amongst the people i'm just i'm i'm one of those type of guys man i asked somebody about you um that it works in the industry and i was like what you know why like i think he's so much better than all of these these dudes right now um what what is it about him that there feels like yeah i don't know maybe it's like deciding on the market i'm only going to be this dude and i'm going to just be the biggest self-promoter ever i mean look hip hop is there's a lot of self-promotion and he and he gave me like a really good example of it he was like look to be honest he's his own guy like he's not caught up in a lot of the bullshit and because he's his own guy it's not necessarily that he doesn't have like

alleys and he's also from gary indiana so he's not like from a hotbed of hip hop that you know you've i don't want to describe you i you know look i met you 20 minutes ago but i thought it was a good explanation i don't know if that makes sense to you that you are just kind of doing it the way you're going to do it and um i think it makes it awesome for us but sometimes you wonder like is is are you getting everything out of it that you want uh yeah i say so yeah i was I'm getting everything out of it that I want. I love it. I love my job.

I don't, you know, there's a lot of people that wake up every day and complain about what they do. Like, I kind of, you know, I'll do what I want to do, you know. It's kind of cool. I like it. Yeah,

then it's not like I'm trying to hint at your managers to get you on a game show or some shit like that. I would love to be on a game show. Well, all right, never mind then. I would love to be on a game show like fucking Wheel of Fortune or some shit like that. Hosting it?

Hosting it? Hosting. Five night, all that's taping? I would do that. Like Steve Harvey do family feud, I would do that. Really? Fuck yeah.

Hell, yeah. That's fucking some shit doing being on some shit that my mama watched. That'd be tight. I wonder what the lyrics or the inspiration would be after a couple seasons. You know what I don't want to do? Well, yeah, let's do the list of things you don't. I don't want to do a podcast. Not that it's not cool to do a podcast.

I just don't know if I'd be good at it. and for a rapper to do it I feel like you kind of got to like not be rapping anymore it's like it's like when basketball players that still plan

do podcasts and stuff like that I don't really fuck with that I'm like man focus on the game I feel like I'm like I gotta focus on being the best rapper I could be before I do something like that you know I mean

in my opinion you know yeah no I hear you on that look when Because I think that I'd be just like If I decided to do that I'd just be Tarnishing my like rap legacy It's still you know

Got shit to add to it You know what I mean So you think doing a podcast Would tarnish your legacy More than hosting family feud For a couple seasons Yeah I'd rather for a host fucking family feud Well the seed is planted

Steve Harvey's not gonna be around forever He's not gonna be around forever They're gonna need another bald nigga to do that shit It could be me I definitely take that job I would love to do that I can tell you as a podcast host, I wish I had done some other things, but things have worked out. Hey, man, shit, it's working out good.

This is fucking beautiful over here. I told him this is a very white neighborhood you're in. This is great. This is fucking amazing. I don't know what the demographics are. We could take you over to Bruce's Beach a little bit later, explain some of the history if you want. Probably like black people I see over here is like a dockweiler beach. Yeah, there's a, you want to know what the line is, is parking.

There's no parking in this town. So it can be July 4th, man. It's beautiful. It can be July 4th out there, and you would think it's an off weekend because there's nowhere to park here. And then as soon as you get a little north and there's parking. I like it. You can walk your dog over here and shit.

You can't. Yeah. You can't bring him on the beach, but around sun down, they're a little lenient about it. My dog will be shitting all over this beach. They'd be right on you. But then you might get away with it because you're Freddie Gibbs. I mean, I'll pick it up. As long as you pick it up.

That's all the community is asking for. Yeah, just pick it up. I hate motherfuckers that got no etiquette with their fucking dogs. I used to live downtown L.A. motherfuckers of the dogs just shit. One of the day I stepped in some shit. Fendies? Fendys.

I'm just wondering what kind of shoe you had on. Oh, no, I don't fucking Fendies, no. I was just trying to guess. I guess wrong. You think all black people wear a designer from head to toe? I thought you did. You think I wear designer clothes from head to toe? Fendi's shoes?

Have you seen some of your album covers? You're not dressed down. I got fendi shoes on. I was guessing, and then there was the one graphic. I don't think I got a fendi shoe in my closet, maybe one pair. Then we're going to send you, they're going to send you some after this shot out. Damn, I hope they do. Fuck with you.

Yeah. Fendi shoes. That didn't go well. That wasn't even in the notes. I had a fendi belt. All right. So I'm not totally like out of left. I had some stuff from them.

I'm not out of line, but some fendi shoes. I didn't have the shoes. A little out of line, but I think you're selling it a little hard right now. Shoes is crazy. You did an interview with Cal. I saw the clip you were talking about the lyrics. It got pretty deep, man. What lyrics?

And you were talking about I would rather not rap about some of the shit anymore. No. No? That's how I felt that day. I like rapping about bullshit. Okay. Yeah, fuck it. So what was it about that day?

Because that was pretty... Pretty deep. Just going through one of those days. Fuck that shit. I like rap about all this. This shit is fucking fun. There's no way to recover from that question with all my follow-ups, because now it appears that that was just the wrong day.

I was just a bad day. They just caught you on a fucking bad day, man. You know what I'm saying? You catch me on any other day? Fuck it. Yeah. Balls to the wall. Everything.

Anything goes. When I saw you, explaining it I was like man that that makes a lot of sense you got like certain like you know you got certain people that like watch romance movies you got certain people that like horror movies you got certain people that like action movies you got certain people that like you know bullshit-ass drama movies I just you know I look at my shit like a movie I don't know sometimes it's a horror movie sometimes most of the time it's like some action movie type shit to me you know what I mean I just feel like that's just what I just what I bring to the

game I think you know what kind of response did you get after the movie from a few years ago um a lot of mixed reviews I was just a nigga on a farm motherfuckers didn't really understand what the fuck was I didn't understand what the fuck was going on the premise is a guy goes to get away from it all correct correct it was some mental health shit I think that uh that was a good uh start for me um acting while I was getting my feet wet and things of that nature, it helped me to, you know, just be on set because, you know, with, you know, with a crew for an extended period amount of time because I hadn't really done that yet. So, uh, that was good for me, you know, and then when I advanced and start doing it a little

more, and like, now I'm very, very, like, comfortable with the whole acting thing. I love it, you know, um, sometimes I shit. I want to take auditions and take roles more than I want to, like, do an album someday, you know. Yeah, I think that makes sense, though, because it's kind of like a new challenge for you yeah i love it i just love you know being on film i love cinema period i just love film period so i mean you could i mean shit i made a fucking short film with this album just you know let you know you know so if i do it like i don't even think i'm gonna do a album unless i make like something like some kind of film with it every time so if i can't do it then i don't even think i'm gonna do any more albums if i can't do it that

way yeah but i mean at this point don't you think you'd always be able to do it what do a album the component the video component the film component to an album yeah if they don't let me do it i just won't do the album yeah so i think you're i think you're good now yeah i think i can say no to you now yeah i got to do it if there's this see that's the only way i'll do it did you get like did you get kind of like you know this this is this is something i talk about a lot um with anybody but like i they typecast actors typecast they typecast me a lot but they type we kind of typecast everybody like we kind of you know whether you're working in an office it's like oh you can only do this we can never give you the opportunity to do this have you found that film tv or anything

have been receptive to you trying to do some different stuff or do they go all like well freddie just played a rapper so like how much how much range could you possibly be trying to ask me to like play a rapper now i'd be like i immediately like turn that shit now i'll be like no man i'm not doing that shit certain like street shit i don't even read i'm like nah i ain't doing that either You know what I mean? I kind of want to challenge myself in the art of it all. You know, I don't just want to just play Sinequah's Big Brother and shit that got a gun across the street that's going to shoot you. Did you read for that?

Some bullshit like that cab across my desk. But, you know, I mean, I like, you know, more challenging stuff. I like comedic roles. You know what I mean? I'd rather do some funny shit than do some corny-ass, you know, fake gangster shit. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I just, you know, I got some shit that's coming soon. You know, I did a vampire movie and shit.

That shit was cool. That's kind of like part comedic, part serious. That was kind of fun. I love doing that. So how did you get into that then? Because you had to have had somebody, you know, trust enough or you explained everything you just explained here. How they would fuck with me, man. Thought you knew.

No, I'm just playing. My boy Ryan, shout out to Ryan. He, you know, wanted me to be in this movie. And I was just like, all right, fuck it, you know, I loved it. YG was in it, you know what I mean? So, you know, that's one of my homies. So that was cool. It was just, you know, like I said, it was a real cool experience, you know what I mean?

Doing that. The movie's called a Night Patrol that's coming soon. All right, so that'll be out. Yeah, it's going to be out soon. Can you tell your agents, like, hey, I want to read for a sitcom or if another drama comes through, like, yeah, we get to say it and shit like that. I mean, they're going to pick your black ass. you can read all the fuck you can read all the fuck you want you know when they want you for a role

i know i mean so when they really really want you for some shit then you know it's gonna come to you you know what i mean my mom always told me man what ain't for you god they'll give it to you so it's all good you know whatever comes my way whatever they think i'm qualified to do you know i do it and i do it to the best of my ability what's it like when you go home back to gary man damn i was in gary a lot this summer too man um it's it's cool man you know i mean i love being home uh we got a new mayor that's my homie eddie melton he's doing some you know make some strides in the city trying to do some big things in the city i love what he's doing um you know of course i love seeing my mom every day you know so this you know my nieces and nephews and stuff i had my son

out there for uh a long time this summer so that was real cool you know i love being back home Does that mean Hoosiers is your favorite movie? No fucking way. What my favorite movie is? Teen Wolf. The first one. Yeah. The first one.

Yeah. I think you're going to play a team one. It'll be a black teen wolf. Rema? The team is going to be like middle-aged wolf. But we can do it. CGI it? We can make it work.

I love Teen Wolf too. I want to be a werewolf in a, movie that'll be hard the wolves vampire thing was on a run there it was it it's it's i think it's about to come back a little bit you think it's coming back around never goes away man yeah it's it's it's gonna it's gonna come back a little bit man so you like horror movies the most i like horror movies for sure i just seen a great horror movie i wish they would have put me in it weapons that shit was amazing everybody's raving about that i haven't seen it yet amazing go see that shit it's a good date movie good date movie yeah you married though no you know at this place oh

fuck well this was a good movie to take a date she's gonna be all on you she'll be clinging to you you know what's a good date movie what dramas do you like hmm i like um what's that shit i just watched hopperheimer okay that shit was fired and then he built a bomb he fucks a lot of people up man that's fucked up good at math good real good at math albert Einstein wasn't fucking with that nigga They'll let you know. Albert Einstein's like, you know, he's just how you know, man. You walk in the room. You're smarter than these motherfuckers.

You're better than these motherfuckers. They don't want to fuck with you. That's how it is with me. We're a rap. They know what so. That was like Oppenheimer. Albert Einstein. Gary, Indiana's Oppenheimer.

Some shit like that. That could be a whole concept album. I don't want to blow no motherfuckers up. But just blowing up the opposition, though, in the game. He blew up more than the opposition. I read a book about the big one. one. The big debarved up about that, Nagasaki.

Yeah, yeah. And then I was at the World War II Museum in New Orleans. You should check that out. My great mommy and my grandfather was in World War II. Mine too. He was, what did your grandfather do? He was a tail gunner in Sicily. Oh, my grandfather was a nigga.

They wouldn't let him touch the guns. He was a cook. He was a cook? Yeah. He made sure your grandfather ate shit. That's fucked up. Yeah. The story I was told.

told is that any woman would sleep with you in Sicily for a Hershey bar. Yeah, my daddy told me that my granddaddy was fucking with the bitches in France and shit like that. That's tight, though. At least niggas got something for foreign pussy. I have to think that if you came back from WWI, I and you were like, hey, I cheated on you in Normandy. It's like, okay.

Yeah, you can't say nothing, bitch. We've got seven kids at home. What the fuck you're going to do? I'm coming home from the military and shit. You could live a good life back then. You come home from the military, get a job in a steel mill and Gary. both my grandparents have like eight kids

you wonder there's just the big families yeah my granddad is slain slain the thing man so you're me I got a lot of kids

how many kids you have I don't know yes you do like three plus do they like hoops as much as you my kids yeah

my oldest daughter does she plays Irish she's good she's good she's playing yeah yeah she likes She likes who.

She likes LeBron James. That's our favorite player. As an NBA guy, I can tell, like, when, you know, like there's some dudes that just throw out. My son don't give a fuck. He likes video games. He's like, man, whatever. I think once he starts playing, like, 2K and stuff like that, then he'll be more into it. You know what I'm saying?

But, you know, he younger, though. He likes seven, so. Yeah. My daughter, my 10-year-old daughter, she loves basketball. Yeah, well, you want to get the ball in the hands at seven, I think. That's when you're... He likes football more than basketball. I say that.

Does he play? He played flag football. He played football more than basketball. He more into that. Did you play hoops? Yeah, I played it all. Is that why Teen Wolf? Yeah.

You were like, shy could do this. I love Team Wolf. Teen Wolf's way better than fucking Hoosiers. I tell you that. I think they was out around the same time. I think my dad was trying to push Hoosers on me. I'm like, man, fuck that.

I would watch Team Wolf, nigger. I don't even love the offense. Hickory runs. That shit's boring. Yeah, that shit was bullshit. I don't know how the fuck they was winning. Hickory, dickory, dog. Is Hickory nearby?

Hickory? I think that's like a fake school in Indianapolis. I don't know. I think it was outside of the Indianapolis. When the Paces did the bullshit Hickory jerseys, I was like, what did the fuck? I didn't like that. You really don't like who's, I didn't think it was your favorite movie. I was, I didn't like that shit.

That shit was trash. Nah, it wasn't true. I like Gene Hackman. He's a great. Yeah. Tough to work with, though. Gene Hackman? Yeah, like legendary.

Didn't he just die? Well, I think the. statute of limitations is okay post death for me to say it was tough to work with oh okay but he he just died he did it was weird too because that was he died on like a i la shit in arizona like a yeah rest of a piece jean hack but man he was great but yeah was that nigger jean i i fuck with you man i don't i don't know who came and got you they got you absolute power when he plays the president what's beast clean eastwood what an opening scene one of the best two of the best clen eastwood like 96

he's still acting. He's like a good guy, bad guy and high planes drifter. Yeah. Which is a really, really intense Western where, you know, he's always done kind of a good job with a Batman role, the man with no name movies. At least they let niggas back to end of his era. They let niggas that was really Western to be the Westerns. Like now they get a British nigga to play a nigga from Texas.

Hey, don't even get me started about the British and the Australians. They're taking all of our lead roles. They take every fucking thing. They take it all of her. deserve the shit. Well, Tom Hardy. Well, Tom Hardy deserves whatever. Everything.

Yeah, I love Tom Hardy. That's my favorite. He is so good at looking cool on a TV screen. He fuck you up, for real, in real life. Warrior? Yeah. I seen him in person one time, and I was like, yeah, I think that white boy whoops some ass.

Can you go up to Tom Hardy? Would he? No, I wouldn't go up to fucking Tom, and do what? No, I'm not saying fuck with him. But he likes rap. Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah. I'll talk to him about some rap.

I'm like, I ain't motherfucking know. you've just seen havoc you've seen that shit warrior i mean warrior i was i wanted to get him fighting the parking lot what's the new show uh that he just did mob land my man is fucking crazy so i can't wait to them that they do another season of that yeah i love shit like that did they do another season of gangs of london do you like that i don't think i uh i got on that one oh you should fuck with it it's good what's that on on like amc or some shit like that I'm trying to remember if I watched some of it. It was the pilot.

There was like a fixed boxing match or something, the first episode. I don't know. I think so. There's a bunch of ladies of the night. Also, no, it's so much shit now with streaming us out, but like so little good shit. Does that make any sense? Makes a ton of sense. It's hard to find it.

It's hard for me to find a good show. I get in front of my TV and I'd be like, fuck, my fucking end up watching fucking Sports Center 50 times in a row. This shit is fucking whack. I'm like, damn, I can't even fucking pick a movie. Who's your favorite sports center anchor ever? Stuart Scott It's a good choice

For sure Definitely Him and fucking Kenny Maine Kenny Maine Kenny Maine shit You know I worked there For 15 years

I know Yeah It's a good job to have It was a good job It was time to move on Yeah I know Some shit be like that man

Like I want to cause family Food but I ain't complaining Yeah but you would get to live in L.A I was having to live in Bristol Connecticut That sucks boss Yeah people from Bristol

visit Gary for vacation Damn, Bristol, yeah, damn, that's crazy. You was real close to Aaron Hernandez. Just down the street. I used to play pickup hoops. He could have fucked you up. Yeah, he probably would have. He would have tried to fuck you up.

I think he wanted more than I would in a fight. I think he was gay, man. Well, that's not what I was getting at his desires, but I just mean like whenever I'm sizing somebody up in a fight. I thought he wanted, you know. No, I don't think what you did. Yeah. I thought you was trying to say he might have wanted you.

I didn't mean it like that. No, I think whenever you're getting an altercation, you probably go back to your day. It's like, okay, well, I think I might, but if this guy wants this more that I do. I watched that nigga movie, and I was like, damn, with the shit on FX. Yeah. Yeah. They really, they should have focused more on football, man. Because he was a great football player.

You would have liked to see more Aaron Hernandez's highlights on the field? Yeah. As opposed to the murdering. They made him just, he's just making love to everybody, you know? He hooked up a lot in that series. Yeah. And I was just like, damn, man. There's a lot of more hooking up than I wanted to see.

I was almost a writer on that show. You should have wrote some football scenes. I lost out to a guy who played in the NFL. Oh. So when I found out, I was like, I'm glad he got the job over, I did, over me. Oh. That's how good of a friend I am because I actually knew the guy. Oh, did he write in those?

My guess is no. Trainer scenes and all that? My guess is no, that he was not. I'm cool with not knowing that he fucked the trainer. I was cool with just doing... You didn't want the full scope? I didn't need that trainer part. Yeah, but they could have kept that part.

It could have been some more football. Did you like the Belichick impersonator? That was tight. It was overall good, good series, good thing. It wasn't good as OJ. Which OJ? The doc or the TV show? The FX OJ.

I love the FX OJ. I love everything about OJ. Well, I hate that that happened. Yeah, there's probably a couple things you don't like, but. I mean, I hung around some NFL guys from the area, and they all say OJ. Innocent. Do they? I'd have heard niggas lie, be like, he was with me that night.

I'm like, you lie, motherfucker. I can also pull up my phone and see a UFO from last night, too. Like, for real, I got a head, motherfuckers in the Hall of Fame in the NFL. So OJ was kicking it with them But OJ didn't do it Swear up and down Oh wow OJ didn't do that shit

They should start an NBA podcast Now that he did Do you think he did it Yeah I think he did it His hands were cut He had blood on the Bronco He left He had a gun in like a wig

He headed to the border And then he pulls over They said he threw the knife In the airport trash can I do love that FX show though yeah i love that it was fucking amazing man that was the greatest crime in american history where were you for it hmm you watching the nix i was watching when my dog was watching the nix all of us were yeah getting their ass beat by the rockets thank god yeah i was watching that

and then hey boom o j it still doesn't even seem real and i remember like even the verdict like getting to leave work early it's tragic event it was crazy yeah it's awful stop oh you know what some shit i didn't do some real tragic events that i didn't sleep through like i slept through 9-11 well if you were on the east coast i was in gary you were yeah and i woke up and then everybody was just like sad as fuck and i was like damn what the fuck's going up and my mama got mad And people got mad at me because I was sleep. I'm like, I didn't hear the explosion, bitch. Yeah, I mean, I was asleep, but I had worked late the night before.

And then somebody called me and they were like, hey, you know what's going on? The night before, but I would sleep like a motherfucker through that whole shit. You were at your mom's house? No. Oh, I thought you said she got mad at you. He was mad at me for not knowing the tragedy. Yeah, if you're asleep, I'll give you a pass on that one. I don't know what you were supposed to do.

And motherfuckers was like, how can you sleep? some shit like that. I said, bitch, I didn't hear the crash. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? What other things do you not feel bad about? I feel bad about this shit. I think you do. I think you do. I was asleep. I feel bad about a lot of things.

This country's going through a lot of bullshit right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, so are you your place by yourself yeah is that pretty rare being a single black man with well-to-do black man no is that rare i think i don't yeah i don't think it's as rare right as it was back of the day but yeah i don't think that was the angle i was going with I just meant like, you don't, I mean, there's a certain age that north of that age. You're like, I don't want roommates anymore, but. No roommates, no.

No. But like there aren't people with you? There'll be women with me. All right. Sometimes. How do you do? What's Freddy Gibbs dating life like? Date.

How's that work? Are you on the apps? No, I don't work. Rapper? I look at porn on Twitter. And they just DM them? Sometimes. not really but yeah yeah what's the hit rate on that uh probably like 30% 30 seems high that's the

right that that's the better than a nigga bad than average that's hall of fame if i go up that 30% of tony fernandez that's Tony Gwynne Tony Gwynn's hired 30 tied in three anybody bad about 350 yeah something ridiculous that's about my bad and average on that Tony Gwynne never strike out. Now, he never struck out. He'll walk a lot. Because they walk Barry Bonds a lot, too. Yeah. Yeah. Fear, though.

Yeah. You don't want it to be about that. No, I don't want a bitch to fear me. No. That's what I was. No. That's predatory energy. Right. No, I ain't got none of that. I ain't never had none of that type of shit. I don't even like, I'd never like,

like I know this dude, he was like, like last week he was like riding around his girlfriend house at like six in the morning to see if she was at home i ain't never did that i've never been like clingy to a woman you've never had your heartbroken i ain't gonna say that but i ain't never like acted on it if that makes any sense i ain't never like uh the over text call or it's like once it's done it's done it's like i kind of want to be as far away from the situation as possible. I don't even, I don't know. I don't, like, send messages or anything like that.

I just, like, kind of let it go. I did it once. You did that you stalked somebody? No. Oh. I showed up in my ex's house. Oh, that's stalking. And then, uh, that's stalking.

I didn't, I didn't knock on the door. You didn't knock on the door. No, I just kept walking. But you showed up unannounced. I walked, I walked past it, and I thought about knocking on the door to see if she could talk. Oh, that ain't that bad. No, it wasn't bad. If it was really bad, I probably wouldn't even admit to it.

But that was the worst. And then I realized, I'm like, this is, I think almost in a way you have to go through heartbreak and realize how much time you're wasting on it and that you're going to regret all the time that you spend on it to be more efficient in future endeavors. Yeah. I put a bitch all her belongings out of the hotel rooms in the hallway. Yeah. what happened it wasn't working out you wouldn't even call like a bellhopper anything

no i wasn't about a tip him to take her shit i'd figure that was that was probably part of the reason i think clingy clinging rapper wouldn't be great branding that's what we got a lot of guys that i like that i'm sure but it'd be like hey cling as fuck they get mad they a lot of the disputes and shit like that it started be a lot of times it started over girls you know what i mean i guess that's kind of fucked up i don't get that's why i don't get into that but it just seems like the opportunity for any of you guys that are famous and are in this world that like aren't there just endless amounts of women like why the hell would you be fighting over the same ones all the time that's what i be trying to figure out sometimes you know you intersect

be like that sometimes you might mess with somebody that mess with somebody else and it just happens yeah Tupac is that video song remember that what I get around 95 now everywhere I go everywhere I go to the same hole yeah that's true I started trying to pay attention to it on the video so I was like is he telling the truth that's true is that the same one yeah he's fucking truth I don't know a bitch to be at so many basketball games you'd be like damn

bitch pussy got league pass like damn what the fuck is you traveling with the team bitch for real like for real it's like bitch was in Cleveland I was the bitch was at the whole playoffs different teams I've seen it all man

it happens man I watch a lot of hoops too Freddie and I'll notice there's certain women that I'll recognize from different like behind the benches oh yeah I look behind the bench yeah to see the holes when I go to the game I be like

Oh, bitch. Oh, bitch. He was here with me last week. Now you're here with Ben Simmons. He has a lot of free time. No, I'm joking about Ben Simmons. I don't know. Oh, so now we can't do Ben Simmons jokes.

That was just a joke. All right. He's in Boston now. You probably don't have to worry about it. He in Boston? Yeah. Damn. He on the bench, so he'd be having a lot of bitches on the bitch.

So I don't blame him. Yeah, Michael Porter Jr. I'm familiar with his story as of late. Yeah, I've been seeing that shit He needs to stop talk about that gambling shit Or any topic Yeah, he needs to chew Yeah, no, that's back to your original podcast

His brother went to jail, right? I don't know where that case is right now But he's done He should go to jail He's done So he fucked up my over and under one Now that I think about He fucked up one of my bets

You had the other Porter brother On an over point total He fucked something up for me I look back at my prize picks We're a fan dual company Oh, I fuck with Fandu Cool I rapped about the niggas

Tell the niggas to give me a deal I'll put it in the works I put it on Alfredo too I'll ask them mention it Yeah bonus edition Give me some bonus Yeah give me some bonus points I like that

I like that Gamblin's taking shit over man Yeah You bet on anything I still be living in Connecticut it. Hey. I'm honest.

I mean, I love doing it when I wasn't doing this as a job. I loved gambling on stuff. Yeah. It was fun. It was fun to have. I'm not a big gambler. Sometimes I'm not, I just play with Air once in a while. Casinos, nothing?

No, I don't folk casino. I'm looking for a lady of the night. Oh, not the buffet. What do you do then? What is your, what's your, what's your, hobby that we don't know. What's the thing that Freddie Gibbs does is... I ski.

Downhill skiing. I'm good at skiing, man. Where have you been? I've been to Aspen. Aspen's the best, is it not? Yes, there's a lot of bad bitches. Rich bitch. It's like Dubai and snow.

Yeah. It's out of control, like, but it's still... I've been to some other shit in Colorado. Reck and Ridge. Vail? I forgot the name of that shit. It was very... It was a very white experience.

Well, I went to Utah. I was the only black dude there. Park City? Yeah. But see, I could see you hanging out in Park City. It's dive bars. I like it. Artsy.

I like being an odd man out. You want to rent a room here? Have you, give me an idea of how much. you've accomplished of what you set up to accomplish. Wow. I would say about like half of it. I still got a long way to go. Like I said, I still want to do a lot in like the film world, things of that nature.

You know what I mean? I want a host family feud. So I got a long way to go, man. It takes Steve Harvey job. He got hosed in that Mr. or, well, it wasn't Mr. Universe. I don't think he hosts that. He did.

He did like Miss America. I want to do one of them. I think you'd be good at that. Oh, shit. You got damn right. Yeah. Really good. I want to do, hey, listen, the ladies will never be more comfortable.

I got to be honest, there is something about your look when you're in the tucks by the piano. Yeah. Where I was like, there's just something, and I'm not bullshitting you here. Thanks, man. I'm swank with this shit. You have a look to you. that I was like, I could see this guy, you know, Vegas, performer, you know, all of that shit. I mean, you're kind of doing it now.

I want to do a residency in Vegas. One day. Not now. Every night there, though, having to live there? Oh, shit. I'd be drunk as fuck. Yeah. Yeah, I do it.

Of course. We'll promote it if it happens. Yeah. I'd be like Elvis. That'd be sick. He did that shit. I just don't know that you'd want to do with the rest of your life, though. No, no, no, no, no.

I do like a little two-year run. Mel Tourmet, you know, are just like going to do this for 20 years? You know, you don't want to wear it out, but I do it, though. I don't want to be there like that goddamn carrot top or no shit like that. Yeah, that's what I see those billboards. And I just go. That motherfucker. I know he's going crazy to wake up in Vegas every day and be carrot top.

I've seen him in the MGM grand. I said, damn, they're going to fuck a little crazy as fuck. That's probably why he's swole as fuck. Yeah, that's probably why I get so jack because he's like, I'm like, I wouldn't fuck with carrot top. No way. Hell not. He'll whip your ass.

Vascular, too. Yeah, yeah. He just looked like a fucking super villain out of a goddamn Marvel movie or some shit. I'm scared of him. I ain't say I'm scared of that white boy. I didn't say you were.

Fuck this ass up. But I don't advise the average motherfucker to fuck with Caratop. No, and there's probably a lot of people that think they'll be funny and they'll make fun of Caratown. Yeah, they should leave him the fuck alone. Is he still Jack, by the way? He is.

My kids is looking at that nigga like Hey, dude, the fuck is that? I said, leave that nigga alone. It's carrot type. And he's a prop comic, which makes you think. Yeah, he might pull out some shit that'll fuck you up. Right. Yeah.

Like, is this a whistle? Nope. Yeah. Before, you know who I used to like in that lane? I used to like Gallagher. The watermelon hit. Yeah, when he'd fuck it. Yeah, smash a watermelon and just fuck shit up.

Fuck people up in the crowd. I used to love here to do that. I never got into that. I always thought it was stupid. Yeah. He'll fuck. See, black people wouldn't go to his shit.

To Gallagher? I don't think I ever thought. They fuck up their hair in the outfit. It's all, they used to put tarps on people up front, but that just wasn't good enough. They don't mean shit. There had been people still be fucked up.

I used to watch that shit with my dad. On VHS? Yeah, we had a VHS. Yeah, remember? That was, like, huge. He had one of the first VHS tapes.

Yeah. That's why that Gallagher thing was enormous. Like, I didn't know what it was. He's like, Each guy just smashes watermelons. I miss VHS. Why?

Rewind it. Better movies, man. You had to go buy the shit and wait eight months for it to be out of the theater to get it. It was just better quality. You just like the anticipation. Yeah, I love the anticipation. I mean, it's just having a movie in a theater and being like, I can't wait until I get that shit at home.

Now this shit is in the movie theater and two weeks later it's on streaming. I might as well wait for the shit to be on streaming. I don't know if, if we'll I think there's something about things being harder that did make you appreciate it a little bit more yeah right like you wanted to go to the theater and if you missed it in the theater it was like if you didn't see Jurassic Park in the theater and it also made the quality of the work better I think that people worked harder on the films on the music when they knew it was you know it wasn't so much of the shit you know what I'm saying like just even even with rap like you know like when I first started rapping like I would say like being a rapper was more of a prestigious kind of thing now anybody could be a fucking rapper you know what I'm saying or a podcaster

you said that shit yeah I'm telling I'm just it is a lot of fucking podcasts I'd be like yeah damn you got a podcast too shut the fuck up I don't get what you think it's ruining for the rest of us it is man I introduce myself I introduce myself as a podcaster

they're like cool now you got it man you got this shit down to the science you know what I'm saying everybody don't though so you think rap is similar like obviously the technology like you can figure out a way to do it like a i don't even believe nobody that right they were that that i don't even believe if you really even make it anymore because motherfuckers is i'd have been in studios when motherfuckers and motherfuckers is chat gp t and this shit and i'll be like i'm like what and the fuck and i'm like damn how long am i going to be able to do this shit because i'm really actually

making fresh shit how long i'm gonna be able to do it when this motherfuckers in the studio typing into a computer getting their lyrics yeah i had somebody asked me on like screenwriting they're like are you using chat gpt now screenwriting i was like god no like it's hard enough as it is like why would you why would you want to put yourself through the process of doing something like then they just be like hey pump out some just generic dialogue people lazy man you know what what I'm saying? We're in a lazy day and age, man. Art is dying.

You know what I'm saying? You got to ask the computer to shit to write your lyrics. Shit is whack. Do you, when you sit down to write, like, what's, do you just go old school, notepad? Are you just sitting there? Are you typing up on a laptop? Like, what happens?

I go to sleep. And you dream in lyrics? Then I wake up and it's ready to go. It's a good thing you're a rapper. That's an awesome ability. Yeah, I couldn't work. I couldn't, like, drive a fucking. Forklift.

Like, you know, it's got some good rhymes. Freddie. Forkliff, Freddy. Um, I really appreciate it coming down here, man. Appreciate you all having me, man. This is prestigious. And the thing I would say about your work, which speaks to what we just kind of talked about, is like, when a tape came out when I was a kid, like, I knew.

I would listen to America's Most Wanted for over a year. Right. Right. And it was going to be until the next site. Like, well, whoever it was, the number of times I listen to it takes a nation of millions to hold us back. Like the staying power of an album. Right. And that's gone to the same to your movie point.

And your albums have staying power in a way. That's the feeling that I received from albums like that. So that's what I want to give out. You know what I mean? I don't want to just, you know, microwave, do this shit and just like give a motherfucker 30 songs because a label paid me for. it, you know, that's kind of whacking me. Well, you're doing it, and you're doing it a big way, and I want more people to appreciate Freddie Gibbs.

So, thanks, man. Yeah, fuck, Chad, GPC. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari, 355 cabriole. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine.

And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. Life advice, R.R. at gmail.com. Sir Rudy Wargon. Kyle free today. That's all right.

We'll get through this. We've got a pre-nup one. So I don't think he has a pre-up. So. I don't either. I don't think we'll need him. No pre-nup for either of you guys. Nope.

I have buddies who have it, but no. I have no assets, so nothing to protect. What are you talking about? Look at all those comic books back there. I know. That's true. All right. Here's a pre-up one.

27 years old, 5-10, although I did walk on. for a single D1 college basketball game. My ESPN profile will tell you I'm six feet. I make it to planet fitness four or five times a week now, but I let myself go a bit in my post-collegiate career and weigh in around 205. No real gym stats to speak of, although I did put 130 pounds on the Smith Machine bar and manage 30 reps. Some interesting weight math on there.

sidebar how many i just think it's a strange thing to do but you know how we feel about anybody that's out there lifting good for you you know it's not about 130 pounds i just think it's a strange thing to do to be like let me combine this on the smith machine at 130 but look it and felt great and got a nice little pump out of it just look smith machines easier and um that's like the squat rack right yeah but it's on it's on yeah basically sliders or you know how you want to described of it, but I think squatting on that Smith machine is terrible because I think it puts your body in more compromising positions. I used to do that when I was younger. I wish I never did. How many reps of 225 in a regular bench would that, would you translate that to if any? I don't

know. I don't know if there's a calculator for 130 pounds on a Smith machine 30 times. I would tell you some of the bench calculator stuff is just wrong. Like if I have a really good 225 rep day, see like, hey, what can I do today? And then I will go to look at the calculator and it'll see what my single rep max is. I'm like, there's just no way. There's no way I can do that. We should do a show, Combon. Has anyone ever done that before?

Only because I don't even know what numbers I would put up. Do you want video of you not benching 135? Of me benching one? Yeah, I do actually. I'd have to, you asked. I'm so much smaller than all you guys. I think you might be able to bench more than me, though. I don't know.

I don't know. But if you never bench, not being able to bench 135, like, it's embarrassing. It sucks or whatever. But if you don't, if you can't, if you've never done it, your body's going to be like, what is this? What are you asking me to do? I got to lie down. And then so I don't even know that it's the greatest representation of someone's strength if they've never like actually lifted weights before. and then you were like, hey, go do like $1.35, everybody should be able to do.

Seriously, I'm just, I'm deceptively strong. I'm, I'm, I'm more than what my, my bench press would suggest. I'm giving both of you guys credit. Thanks, man. We got off to a bad start a couple days ago. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, positivity this time. No, I just think it would be funny, like, maybe let the audience figure out, like, you know,

to have set some over unders, like people guessing what we would do. But, well, I think after the McShay 40 thing, and then I said that that's ridiculous about me. And then I mentioned that I think I have a torn ligament. and then Sir Rudy's just gasp of, oh, here we go. So I think this is about Sir Rudy hoping that I'm slower. I think that's what this is. No, it's not because I think I'm sneaky slow now too. What would the categories be?

Skiing. How are you sneaky slow? Do you walk by and people think that you're fast? Well, so I. Yeah. Incredible question. God damn it, Wargarten. Shit.

God, that guy, I think he might be slower, but Jesus, he moves. He's so slippery. I only say that because, like, you know, in my day, like, you know, I was, I was, like, laterally pretty quick, you know, I was, you know, I could run decently, and I can't now, so I feel like, if you walk by me on the street and you'd be like, hey, could that guy, like, you know, could he hold his own in a three cone drill? I think most people would say yes, but I don't know that I could. okay but you played you overestimate this every time you give me way too much credit for this you put on pads and you went out there

and played high school football how many years I played all four years but I and you were captain no Jesus okay Jesus no God I broke my ankle right yeah I was gonna walk on at yeah okay but what did you weigh

what did you weigh your senior year oh man like 1 45 I was tiny, man. But I'm telling you, like, that that's why I don't think I overrate it. It takes balls to put on pads and play high school football and know you weigh 145 and now we're finding out you were slow, too? No, I wasn't slow.

For the record, I am slow now, I think. I was good in high school check tape. No, I just think people would be like, oh, he's, I expected more from him at this point. Mostly because I just, I think I said this, I joined like a pickup men's League and I was disappointed in my in my in my efforts not my effort it was just my

output I guess it was just I expected better for myself coming to theaters this fall the sequel sir Rudy all right what think what brings me to you guys is a predicament with my current girlfriend four and a half years isn't that I jokingly insist on being six feet tall and pull up ESPN whenever it's this disputed okay yeah I mean that's those just facts are six feet. If it says you're six feet on ESPN.com, you're six feet, dude. Things are great with us, so much so that I bought a ring and plan on proposing when we leave in three weeks for a trip to explore the national parks of California. I'd love to get there one day. I'm not concerned about her saying yes or not, but more so whether I should bring up a pre-nup after the

engagement to provide some context. I'm currently working at finance at a publicly traded company, making roughly $120,000 a year while she earns about $50k a year in a more, and a more level role in the legal field. I brought up a pre-up before and mentioned I think it's a good idea, partially because my own parents divorced when I was younger. I know my dad got burned financially by it. This is something she is always pushed back against, saying she felt it indicates doubts about the marriage and going into it. It's also the fact she's an only child and her parents are set. Her parents are set to inherit some serious cash. So you'll be like roughly equal to what the bucks are paying dame to not be on their

team next year. Lou. Damn. That's a big number. My parents have done well for themselves, but not at that level. I feel great about my relationship with this woman, which should I bring up or push for a pre-ups still? I'll hang up and listen. So she's going to inherit some cash.

Well, look, man, I don't know what kind of protections they have on an inheritance stuff. You know, does it mean it's actually going to trickle down to her? Would you be in that divorce window after the bliss of those early years of marriage. I think it's smart. You're also telling us you work in finance,

so maybe you're expecting, again, no salary cap, no luxury tax, and yourself. So maybe you're like, look, and I do think it's kind of ridiculous for somebody to not understand where you're coming from to see the financial ruin that it can put.

You know, some parties are equal parties. a lot of parties are not equal parties in a marriage. And, you know, once kids are involved and all the stuff, because there's just not a lot of sympathy on when you talk about it publicly, like how some men get absolutely destroyed by this. So I appreciate you being sensitive to it because I know what it's like. But look, it sounds like if I'm just being like just talking here, it sounds like you're probably better off not getting it.

So you can push for it and she can say no and it's still kind of a win for you unless, you know, like I think your head's in the right place, but right, like isn't that the thing that we should probably say out loud if we're being totally honest about what dudes would say, considering the scenarios? Her family assets aren't her assets right now. So theoretically, like you, if you got divorced in like two years, you know, hopefully it doesn't happen. But obviously, you know, this is what we're talking about this for. Like, she only makes a certain amount of money.

We don't know what's even in her name. All this stuff could potentially be in her family's name, even though she is going to get it at some point. Like, you're still going to have to maybe pay her some sort of fee or alimony or whatever afterwards. Like, you're right. The kid's thing, I guess, you know, how many kids that doesn't complicate it. Obviously, you have to talk about it. I think the one thing about this whole conversation, though, is you can't do them close together, right? You got to propose and give it a good amount of time and then bring it up, right?

Maybe like halfway between the wedding and the proposal, right? Because then there's enough time to like, if she really doesn't like that, then like you can decide what the future is, but also not ruin like, you know, for the next like couple months, she's going to be excited about getting engaged. So you don't want to ruin it with being like, and by the way, here's the pre-nup talk. So I think that's my only advice is just give it some time after you propose. An open marriage on our wedding night. I think if this is important to you, you should do it. But you need to come at it understanding her perspective and be empathetic about that. I would sort of do it in a sense of like, this is sort of my childhood trauma that this happened to my parents. And so obviously I'm worried about it. You hope that it's never going to happen. But because of what happened, because of my family history, I would like these protections.

And, you know, if that doesn't work, you go from there. But if it's important to you, I think you should do it. You just have to sort of realize that she's not going to be happy about it. at least initially. Maybe she'll be pumped. Maybe she agrees with you. You know, who knows? That's not going to happen.

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know what to do about any of the stuff. Really? You know, is there a way, like your points to Rudy is, is really good. Can you work the angle of this is what I grew up with? This is what I saw. But yeah. Thanks. Oh, it is wargons.

Oh, my God, I'm just not getting an appreciation. But it is a good point. You're right. Yeah. Serrudey had said it would have been even, well, it would have been slower. Thanks. Deceptively, though. That's right.

Yeah. I also think there's worth, well, see, this guy actually isn't being as devious as most people I think would be. Okay? Because there's also something that you would have to check because I know about like one divorce. you know just friends of friend type of thing where one party had all this money in the family and that person didn't have the money yet and then when the divorce happened the other side was like well you're going to be worth all of this and like the lawyer was fighting it was like hey none of that is mine none of that is mine it may be mine one day but you know you don't you don't

get to like pre-tax me for earnings that I don't even have yet. So, but that's not even where this guy's head that. He's not, he doesn't seem to be wired that way at all. He'd just be totally fine going separate ways. Maybe they should just make it a law. The thing too is, everybody has to have it, like optometry. Yeah, maybe that. You're reading about big uptonoptery the other day? What's that where you're catching up on that? Yeah. Sounds exciting. A lot of questions. Well, yeah, the last thing I'll say, too, is he said she was like an early career lawyer. So chance are she's going to be doing all right in like a few years, too.

So I don't know. You might just wish symbols of love were like, hey, understanding, being supportive, having my back, making sure I don't doubt myself. You know? I do think, like. getting older with relationships is, it's not stopping the fight, it's just stopping like the pointless arguments about something, or something accepting that you don't understand, you know, the difference between men and women, where, you know, say, you know, like I have a, I have a couple friends, right, went on a golf trip, and one of the friends had to call his wife

every night. I had to call his wife every night. And I'm like, why do you have to call every night? he's like i don't know but i just fucking do it man because you know what calling saying i love you saying good night saying how are the kids it's not that big of a deal it's not that big of a deal i don't understand it if she went away on a trip with three of her friends and i didn't hear for her for 24 48 hours i wouldn't care at all i would never ask where were you how come you didn't call me

because guess what we're all old now we're not even doing anything that much fun. We're sitting here and we're golfing and, you know, it's just nice to check in. So I do think, I don't know if it's evolving, but growth, at least, because I can only give you the male perspective, the growth in a relationship and having it be healthy is at times, like, just stop asking why you have to do something, especially if it's like minor. I mean, I'm not talking about like major things. I think a pre-nup is far more major than just a night can check in but I thought it was really like interesting it's like actually as I got to a certain age I stopped wondering why I had to do this stupid thing and I just did it because it wasn't

really that much of a derailment from my day and if I don't understand it I'm never going to understand it but why even try to understand it just do the thing there you go that's just we weren't even pre-nuff in there just do it there you go yeah Nike all right good luck uh what else do we need here is this the fantasy football ones just aren't super interesting what's it in relation to like a i don't know this guy did that that guy did this oh like we're talking about like who got picked where yeah i know oh man does anybody want to hear that show wrong show no we're got some fire today okay um blind one 6 3-260 around 120 kilograms.

I'm Australian. 120. Dick boy. Not really a weights guy, but more of a low intensity elliptical guy, very polished footwork and post game, but with my short arms and obviously unathletic NBA comp, Kelly Olinick, and his canter. I'm 33, moved back home to live my parents a year ago

after ending a four and a half year relationship. Four and a half years. Could they be connected? Have delayed finding my own place, not because I'm comfortable with the home amenities, but because my parents are actually a great company, and I get lonely easily. Parentheses, teach me, question mark.

Just build different, man. Yeah. You get lonely easy. Can't do this, man. You cannot do this. I'm telling you right now. Recently started dating again and gotten ghosts a few times for living with my parents without a valid explanation

since breakup was now a year ago. I'm sorry to laugh. but this is helping. These guys are like, great. Any idea of potential backstories to come up with to justify living at home that aren't blatant lies that can get me in trouble down the line? P.S. Andrew Roberts DePolline is one of my favorite nonfiction books of all time. I have the Churchill one as well, but haven't touched you yet,

currently reading Fukuyama. All right. Let us know that goes. An easy answer here. What is it? Sick? Yeah, you just, hey, I'm taking a parent. You don't even have to say sick to say I'm just taking care of my parents.

My dad's slow. Hey, they just need help around the house, and I'm a nice guy. I don't even know what else I could be besides that. Like, yeah, my parents needed some help, so I'm sticking around here for a little bit. Yeah, then you bring the girl over and your mom just out. She's like, yeah, he's been living here, but we've been trying to kick him out for two years. He's like, oh, man, mom. But you cross the bridge when you get there.

You know, you get on a couple dates first. you say that they're sick and then it develops they come over and your parents are just outside Wylan playing pickleball like yeah they've really turned the corner

they have good days and bad days yeah that's so wrong well come on what else what else could we come up with I mean we could say

that he's starting to save for a small business women like entrepreneurs but then she'll be like what's the small business idea. Yeah. Then you're a project.

Well, no, that's a secret. I can't just fucking tell everybody I meet. Yeah. It's not public.

Yeah. I think I'm just telling you. I'm going to be made out. Saving money to buy a house, you know,

something like that. In between landscapers? Hmm. Saving money to buy a house for the right audience is a

great call. The problem is much like college football, I think people think short-term, although there's a lot of long-term thinkers, but they're making assessments on short-term decisions. I don't know if that made any sense. It did to me. So it's not going to be cool. Like, would you, would either of you date anybody that lived with their parents at the stage of your life? Well, that's the problem is, because I have done this. When I was in my early,

I was, no, I was in my early 20s. So when I was working with, when I was first working at ESPN, I was working overnights and whatever, like I didn't, I lived at home because like I didn't go out anyway. So like might as well save some money and hang out. So I lived there for two years and I dated this girl who also lived at home who was going

to school still. She was in her grad school situation. And like we were kind of like bonded because of that. But if one of us was kind of not in that, in that situation, I think it would have been a lot weirder and probably wouldn't have worked out. This guy's 33. That's a tough sell.

I thought Australians are more laid back about this. They are. Maybe I know nothing about Australia. When I was there, they were telling me they don't call each other girlfriend boyfriend. They think that's like really childish. They just say partner, which I was kind of into. I don't know if that'll catch on here.

Maybe it is. It means a whole different thing here, though. know, partners. That's what we were trying to tell them. Yeah, but I don't know. I think it's actually kind of crossed over into all kinds of relationships. Like, I've heard it before, then expecting, I think, what you guys are hitting at. And then it's like, oh, okay, life partners is what I'd like to say. But I don't think that's going to catch on a ton. It's a mouthful. Really, you're going to have to find, like, anybody that's deciding that this is a deal breaker and that you're getting ghosted for, I mean, we could get anything.

into it and say that, hey, that person's kind of shallow, but I know full well, like north of 30, if another girl were 30 and living at home, you know, walking up to like pick her up and stuff, like, hey, how's it going, Jeff? You know? And what is? Is she staying with you for the weekend? Dropping her off on Sunday. Yeah, that's tough. Also, what does this guy's plans for like getting out of the parents? Wait, what work on? What is this guy's plans for getting out of his parents' house? It doesn't sound like he has any.

Right, like maybe, maybe work on that before coming up with the lie about why he's lonely. He gets he can't. He's lonely, you know? He's lonely, dude. Maybe get your own place. Have you heard of the male loneliness epidemic? Come on. Yeah.

I guess, yeah, I think it has to be, you're helping the parents or it's like, hey, it's a financial reason and I'm like just really savvy financially and I have all these goals later in life. Those are kind of your two options. yeah lie yeah yeah well both of them are lies

really but maybe you can make it a mental health thing so it's not a physical update like hey how's your dad doing he's not seeing people anymore hallucination stop but again

you're gonna run into problems if this becomes a serious relationship you have some explaining to do six months from now a follow up on the male loneliness epidemic that I've read so much about no one's asked me for a quote yet but because you're doing great you know uh no content hits

like shitting on the other gender that is just auto auto engagement now i don't know when it took off i'm noticing it a little bit more now maybe that's because i read one and now it's like oh this guy loves this stuff but it's just like some woman had one the other day it was like men today ain't shit they don't do this they don't do this they don't do this 15,000 retorts and it was auto and then you can just be a dude and be like women today stuff that they want and then what what they want versus what they're bringing the stuff they won't do 10,000 dudes just being like hell yeah brother that's not going to help solitary I saw I see I don't know what's real anymore online but I did I was reading this thing

where this, I think she was a TikTok influencer who was married with kids. She had this, she posted this video about how she doesn't cook breakfast for her husband. She only cooks it for herself and her kids because she's like, he's a grown man. He could do it himself. And apparently he like saw the video and filed for divorce a couple days later. I'm with, I never believe any of those. Like whenever it's here's what I do or don't do for my significant other and it's just like the most atrocious thing. And then everybody freaks out and says a terrible.

the person is, I think that means that that person's winning, uh, that they did the entire thing. Is there any way, is there any way you could build a fort on their property? Yeah, I got this place in the tree behind my parents' house. Come check it out. Is that worse, actually? It's definitely worse. Yeah. Now that we're talking about it. I still think we were super helpful today. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, See, I'd want to live by myself, so I can't relate to this guy.

I'm the opposite. Yeah, but if you have to, like, stuff happens, right? Stuff happens in life. Guy just got out of a relationship, you know. I'm not thinking I wouldn't live with my parents at some point. I would just, there'd be an endgame to that. Let's end this on a positive, and I mean this. It sounds like this breakup hasn't been awesome for you.

There is nothing like the mental reset of going home. I don't know that it helps. I mean, some people have this incredible dynamic with their parents, where they're not just their parents, they're their best friends, and it can be this recharging thing. But I think for a lot of people, and I would include this, and when I had to go home because I had no other options, it was awful. Okay? It was a reminder.

I felt like I was going in reverse, you know, and it was. I was like, I'm older, but I'm kind of still like their kid. And now I live here. And I've had this taste of freedom for seven years. And now, like, there's things that are expected of me when it's still like, hey, man, you're going to live in this person's house. You're probably not going to pay any rent for a little while. You know, I do, I last only a couple months.

So it wasn't like it was like, hey, you didn't kick in for water in November. But it can be really tough. All right? And I think a lot of people would agree with that because it just feels like, you know, you never want to be like, you know what I want to do is, well, I guess maybe sometimes you get a little bit older and you start reminiscing about going backwards. But going home is usually not this mentally uplifting reset. And you're kind of in that mode right now. But the fact that you are trying to date because you don't want to be lonely. There's so many other people that would be completely shutting it down, like, oh, I'm at home. Nobody wants me. I'm not even going to try. I don't know if you struggle to that. I don't know that you thought about it. If you did and you're here, great. If you didn't, even better and you're here, so that's great.

You're not finding the right people. You're not finding the right person that's going to understand your situation. You're not finding the person that cares more about who you are than what your current living situation is. And sure, on the surface, if you introduce somebody and be like, hey, he's bald. Or they don't even like, hey, you're going to meet my friend. Oh, what's he like? Oh, he's bald. Oh, he lives with his parents. Oh, he hasn't worked in three years. Like, that's just not a great headline for anybody. Yeah. Unless it's ESPN.com.

But you are actually in a better place than I think a lot of people would be ending the relationship, having to go home and not even wanting to get back into the game. A lot of our emails about guys, but like, how do I get back out there? So if you keep throwing enough innings, you'll probably find somebody that understands where you're at in life right now and does not look at your living situation as a barrier. But I would, if we're going to come up with a lie, you need to emphasize that everyone how right around the corner you're out of there, even if it isn't true. Yeah, I don't answer and go, you know, I'm pretty content. cost her down I could do this another five free sandwiches yeah

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