The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Scott Van Pelt on College Football, Life, and Norm Macdonald, Plus Going Abroad With Kevin Clark

Episode Date: September 15, 2021

Ryen is joined by television’s Scott Van Pelt to catch up on life, the college football season, SVP’s illustrious acting career, and their favorite Norm Macdonald memories (00:33). Then, The Ringer’s Kevin Clark stops by for everyone’s favorite Formula 1 segment, Going Abroad, after Daniel Ricciardo’s big win over the weekend (50:10). Finally, Ryen closes it out with some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (71:40).  Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Scott Van Pelt and Kevin Clark Producers: Steve Ceruti and Stefan Anderson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We are off to a great start football season. We got my man Scott Van Pelt, who is not only a close friend, but we know six plus years on the radio side together. We're going to go abroad midweek with Kevin Clark, Monza on McLaren weekendend, and Life Advice. So enjoy. You may have seen him on Better Days with Mike Greenberg. It is Scott Van Pelt who joins us, also the host of SportsCenter.

How's it going? Right out of the gate. Just right out of the gate. We're good, man. We're good. How about you? I'm good. I don't know where this is going to go today. I think it's going to go all of the gate. We're good, man. We're good. How about you? I'm good. I don't know where this is going to go today.

I think it's going to go all over the place. Good. You know what I want to start with is the unfortunate passing of Norm MacDonald. This doesn't happen very often, but to have almost everybody on social media in the same direction with his brilliance and finding something that he did that they liked. And look, I don't care what the topic is. Eventually there's always a zag. And look, Norm wasn't afraid to probably do some stuff that wouldn't be as well received today, but I was, look, we got to meet him once. I think you probably met him more than I did. We had him in studio one time and he's just that guy. Like he can not be funny and it's the funniest thing

ever, which is so hard to do. I'm going gonna pay you a compliment right out of the gate and say that that you and i didn't know i don't know that i realized it at the time and in this wormhole that i've been in since yesterday i realized priscilla had a lot of norm mcdonald in him and here's what i'm talking about you commit to a bit and you don't care if you're five minutes in and you're like, nope, this isn't getting there. You're going to stay with the bit. Like McDonald would do a joke on Conan about a moth or about, you know, a dog house and it would just get to the point where maybe it was uncomfortable for somebody else, but he was going to get to the finish line and it would pay off. And I think if you're great,

you've got these seminal moments that people will point to and say this performance or that performance. I think the beauty of Norm Macdonald is there's probably a laundry list a mile long of what's your favorite bit. I remember a weekend update thing. It was a throwaway line about, hey, Kenny G did a Christmas album. Happy birthday, Jesus. I hope you like crap. Like, think about how funny that is. Happy birthday, Jesus. i hope you like crap and

there's a 10 second throwaway line in a weekend update thing but i think the the brilliance of the guy and how on how just the whole delivery like so i says to her, I says, just that. His cadence and his comfort in what was uncomfortable. And just the complete genius of the guy. I mean, I don't know. We talked years ago about the Hedberg. I think they were different, but I think Hedberg had this uncomfortable way about him. but you think about what he said later and you go, God, that was really fucking brilliant.

And I feel like McDonald did that over and over and over. And when you see the, when you see the width of the comic community from all the different flavors, right. All just say, that guy was a genius. You know, that guy was, was unique. I don't know man and it sucks like he's been battling this thing privately i guess for for 10 years and you just wake up one day and he's gone i don't know i mean i it's i don't know i just i anytime you lose the the world loses somebody that's like that you just go well that sucks you know yeah because i i mean i go you know i'm with

you i mean it goes without saying and you're like oh wow you know and i remember when we had him in studio and you know he was excited about the golf thing and then he'd even he even said to me it was actually kind of funny and it made you feel good for a second i don't know how we ended up on something i think we asked him about his show because remember they try to do like forever everybody's been pitching hey i want to do the daily show sports and i want to do it and he got a shot to do it and it kind of didn't work out and we talked about it off the air i think and then he's like yeah the show wasn't very good like he just started to go yeah it wasn't very good and then i said you know i'm surprised

somebody hasn't tried this or whatever and it wasn't even that creative idea and he just goes hey i like that uh i'm probably going to steal that. Honestly, you're flattered if you're like, wait, do you actually like this or are you just fucking with me? There's probably more of the latter. No, I don't think so. Yeah, I guess. You know what he also had too?

He had the sincerity about him. I watched a bunch of things like everybody else yesterday. The one that i saw there was another comedian i forget the name because everybody was kind of sharing their stuff with norm when he did the bob saget roast and he goes i'm gonna bomb this whole time okay i'm just gonna bomb and we're gonna see what happens and i think there's uh a thing among comedians where it's like oh so you're to be the comedian that's not funny on purpose? Like, okay.

Like, this isn't hard enough, but you're out. It's going to be, I'm not even funny. And that's going to be, I think there's like a massive, like, push, like the disrespect would be massive. Yet Norm is doing it. And I mean, he's got the one joke about Cloris Leachman, who we lost this year as well. And he's like, Cloris Leachman, they say she's over the hill. She's never going to be over the hill not with a car she drives and it's in the beginning and like stamos in the beginning is kind of like what the hell's going on he's got a one track mind there's not

much traffic and they're in stamos is like am i supposed to be laughing it's kind of awkward it's and then you know godfrey and the other guys are seeing what he's doing and he's building and every joke sucks so bad. And he's so great in his delivery. He's reading a card. He's being uncomfortable. And now at the end, all the comedians are fucking losing it. And people in the crowd, I think, are laughing because they see the comedians laughing.

And he's just, you want to talk, I think it's longer than the seven minute clip that I even saw because it was edited a few times. It was unbelievable to pull that off and then pull it off in the room and have everybody else who's in your industry think you're the funniest guy in the room. You know what that is? That's walking into an art gallery and you look at something on the wall and you don't know what it is, but all the other artists go, oh, my God. And then you go, yeah, what a great painting. You don't even know what you're looking at but all of the other artists like when he hits him with the rintin tin line and then he's just like he got disgusted he's like how do you not get that like he kind of broke character for like a split second the thing that the thing that

that touched me sincerely he told letterman he loved it. The last time he was on with Letterman, and Letterman put out a beautiful statement yesterday about how he was just basically the perfect stand-up. And he got to the end, and he's like, you know, you don't like the mawkish thing, but it's not mawkish or whatever if it's true. I'm butchering the way he said it, but he basically was saying in the end,

this isn't some ass-kissing bit if it's true.'m butchering the way he said it but he basically was saying in the end it's like this isn't some ass kissing bit if it's true and he's like i love you and his voice cracked and you realize that that he really did and letterman was no good at letting people hug him you know i don't i don't mean like literally i mean he was no good at that but um i don't know i just i found that moment to be uh really, really sweet and, and, uh, and it's in a sincere way to see what that venue had meant to, uh, to a comedian like, um, like Norm. I mean, I was on Letterman once. It was, it's not a big deal. Uh, no, no, you were, what was, uh, was there any, maybe we could talk about this now. I would like to think during our days, despite my abrasiveness and frustration, that I always knew where I stood. Is that fair?

Like whatever, whatever my role was on the show, I still knew who you were and who I was. You're not agreeing with me as much as I thought you were, but that's okay. What, that you were some supplicant to me or that you were secondary to me? You were Scott and I was, especially in the beginning. That was always the pushback. It's like, wait, Scott just picking this guy or whatever. You were always on board. But there was always an element of like, I'm pushing and fighting and fighting, but I'm not fighting with my co-host, which could definitely happen in other scenarios. I got the hierarchy of the show and it's what it should have been. But when you went on Letterman,

was there ever anyone that was worried that I thought that I should have been going on Letterman with you because all the other radio shows, usually both guys would go on? No, because I didn't think I was supposed to be on. I didn't think I was supposed to go with you, by the way. It was like Harry Connick, a mariachi band, and me. Who can we get in here it's almost christmas like i i didn't go because i

was some star and letterman didn't know the fuck i was you sure so it was like i'm pretty sure i mean he was kind and all but like i mean i think he did a bit when i left like i don't know who that guy was no did he yeah i mean it was it was kind of goof, but I don't expect he did. I mean, I'm on cable late at night. I don't expect Letterman would have watched me, but I did what I always do. I sent him a note and just said, please never forget what it means for somebody to walk

across the stage and shake your hand. It was an honor and a thrill to be there. Whatever. I mean, no, I never thought that. I had been on TV for a while before when I did our thing. So, but, but you, but in the end, it was always this brotherhood where maybe I was the older brother, but I mean, look, there's a reason that our show was called what it was called because,

and I, I hope that I made it clear to our audience. And they always knew that it was collaboration. And it was more, I said a million times, the best ideas are coming from Russillo. Not my, not my entity. So no, I don't think you thought you're supposed to be there.

I know I wasn't supposed to be there. But you should have been. I mean, look, let's, let's not kid ourselves every now and then I'll throw in a late night show and be like, this guy's on.

So I'll just admit it. No, but come on. You're on sports center at that point, almost 15 years. I just know that despite me knowing kind of where I stood, I also have a pretty healthy ego. I just was always wondering deep down if there was ever one conversation

for somebody behind the scenes was like, Hey, does Rosilla think he's supposed to be going with you? And I knew that I wasn't, I, it was never, it was never, there was not a second where I thought to myself,

Oh, he's going, but I'm not, we're co-hosts. That's bullshit. Not a second. Actually, it was, there was not a second where I thought to myself, oh, he's going, but I'm not, we're co-hosts. That's bullshit. I'm not a second. They actually, it was actually sort of framed though. Like it was, we talked about the radio.

Like he asked, like when he, cause you're going to plug something. They're not going to plug everything. I think, I think they mentioned radio. I don't know. It was a blur. It was dark. It was cold. And then my face was all blotchy and then it was over.

So that's how it happened. And you weren't on anything because i know a lot of guys experiment with pills before they go on the show no i really i would have really i'd have taken anything i would anything if you had it out of taking it what's this do just take the edge off this is make me really are you nervous i mean were you thinking like are your legs weak when you're walking across to say hi to letterman yes it's it's there's no come on who are you talking to you we we we've we've shared this with our audience we all felt like frauds the whole time

like imposter syndrome none of this shit's supposed to happen and then you're standing there on the wings and you're waiting to walk it's a joke and i mean nervous not nervous like i'm gonna go do something dumb uh but just you're sitting there next to David Letterman I mean on a show you grew up watching a guy put on a velcro suit and hung on a wall I mean he's just of course the the that the whole thing was was you know entirely surreal I mean but I was there as a fill-in you know a norm and you know people like that, just going back to where we started with him, whether it was there, whether it was Conan, any show that guy went on, he was just the perfect talk show guest.

I think in my mind, I just wanted to be not the worst talk show guest for the five or eight minutes or whatever it was that I got to sit there. Yeah, I can imagine if my career starts to pick up, if I ever go on anywhere i'll swing for the fences and it probably won't work out but we'll take drugs for sure just take your take some drugs take a cup however however milligram however many milligrams of adderall the kids take just to be super locked in speaking of talk shows how upset were you to find out steven a didn't want you on first take either even though you weren't even on the show. I was gutting. I mean, I gutting.

Took some drugs then, just to try to feel better about it all. No, we're good. We're good. We're just late night. We're good. People don't even know we're on. That's not true. We're just kicking the can down the road at midnight. That's what we're doing. That's not true. We know the ratings are terrific, and I would say

it's one of the shows, speaking of approval ratings like you've been able to i don't know if you brought this up before i'm not gonna spend an hour on it but you have had a healthy approval rating in a way that very few people get to experience because eventually everybody hates all of us well i mean i've i appreciate that idea i i think but i i don't know i i i think we'd make i make fun of myself because i because i know i'm in on the joke you know i don't think i think that there's we've talked about this there's an arrogance that's required to sit down and think anyone should give a shit what you think about anything that's that's really stripping

it down when you say it that way you're like all right well right like especially now especially now because there's just this sea of noise and people talking about let me tell you what i think about this and that so you have to and there's some some level of confidence you've got to have but i also think you you've got to be confident in just clowning on yourself as much as anybody and i think certainly we did that and I do that. And I think that, I think when you're authentically who you are and people know where I'm from and they know, like,

I went to the Maryland West Virginia game a couple of a couple of weekends ago and it's Maryland one, it was, which was yay turps. But I think the fun thing is when you see the other fans, they know, they know why I'm there. But I mean, somehow you can, I don't know, you're not trying to play both sides of it. And I've been guilty of that. You talk out both sides of your mouth.

God knows, like Van Pelt, just make a pick. Oh, this, but maybe that, right? I think as long as people know that we're your allegious lie and you're decent to people, that you'll get the benefit of the doubt on some things, hopefully. What's the number one thing? What would you be leading the radio show with today or this week?

I think the SC topic is fascinating. I really do. And I mean, some of it's what, what you and I used to do or what a podcast, any podcast would do. And it turns into like, what are the best jobs? And you talk through them and why. But I think the USC thing on its own is a legitimately interesting topic because of what are they? And I don't mean to imply that they're not some great gig, but it was really interesting to me when I looked through what their history's been. And I mean, I'm older than you, so I grew up with this.

I don't even know how to explain it other than like, UFC would be on TV late in the afternoon on the East Coast. And it was the uniforms and the song girls. And it was McKay or Robinson or whomever. And they always just, it was California. It seemed like a universal way. And I don't know if I'm explaining it in a way that makes sense, but it just seemed like it wasn't even part of the same planet I was from.

And it was just, it was something mythical. There was an aura about it. And if you look at them from, say, the early 80s till right now, Pete Carroll's the only guy that made him truly transcendent. And they were the giant, they were the bully on the block, no questions. But there was a whole lot of Paul Hackett types and coaches where they were fine and all, but they weren't Alabama or even like Oklahoma. They haven't been in the playoff. So that them as a topic, not like who would want the job.

Of course you'd want the job. But they're not alone in being a fan base that thinks about that era and thinks, well, that's just what we are. And then you think, well, you know, that was 15 years ago. And 15 years now might as well be 150. The thing that makes them different, though, honestly, in my opinion, you'd know better because you live out there, is that brand still trumps everything.

You're friendly with Chip. It's cool to see UCLA get it going, but when I say get it going, what'd they do? They beat LSU. Who's the brand in Los Angeles right now? It's still USC, I'm sure. It is SC. I don't know that it ever would be anything other than that.

I'm not saying it's Rams-Chargers, which is even close. But although, look at the Chargers put together this really nice run with Herbert for a while. That'll at least change the conversation around it. But it's never going to happen. I'm not going to surpass him. I'm with you. I think the way you frame that. And by the way, you went to the West Virginia-Maryland game, not Howard.

So that one was close. That was a nice maryland comeback yeah sure yeah just want to clean that up howard we're very we're thorough on this podcast you know we there you go to our mistakes but the way you described it northeast like i remember those moments as a little kid you're like oh my god like i remember watching you usc and ucla and you're like oh it's still light out i mean you're just a stupid little kid like you don't you don't really get UCLA and you're like oh it's still light out I mean you're just a stupid little kid like you don't you don't really get it and you're like what goes on out there like what what's the deal and so exactly I look you know James Franklin pretty well from his time back in Maryland and I'll throw it to you this way there's nothing more predictable than the fan

base who doesn't want to lose their coach arguing about how great their job is and it's like wait are you the only people arguing that your job is like closer to a top five job than the fan base who doesn't want to lose their coach arguing about how great their job is. And it's like, wait, are you the only people arguing that your job is closer to a top five job than a top ten job? Penn State is a fantastic job. It's not a top five job. You have to be probably the premier program brand in your conference to be considered a top five job.

And Penn State, not only the lack of Big Ten history, but I don't know brand-wise if it would ever be ahead of Michigan. Clearly, they're better on the field and have been for a couple years. I even like Penn State, not only the lack of Big Ten history, but I don't know brand-wise if it would ever be ahead of Michigan. Clearly, they're better on the field and have been for a couple years. They even like Penn State this year. But with Ohio State there, I just don't know that that job's the same. Now, I've gotten a couple chances to spend some time with Franklin. Like I said, you know him really well. I would think that guy has L.A. written all over him if he has the chance.

I would think that guy has L.A. written all over him if he has the chance. He did the thing Tuesday in the press conference. He said, yeah, I've talked to the leadership council. They've got some group of guys on their team to, I guess, kind of say, hey, look, there's going to be – I don't know what the hell they talked about, but he said we talked to them, focused on Auburn, blah, blah, blah. The thing – and this isn't taking a shot at James, it's any coach. Nick Saban wasn't going to Alabama until he was on the plane to Alabama because what's he going to say, right? I mean, I hate that I always do this, but I remember these

things so fondly. I think you and I would just talk honestly about these things when we when we had the time to do it on radio like we ask you to be honest and then you kind of we fault you if you are sometimes but what's james franklin going to say tuesday when the usc thing comes up well you know we got a big game auburn white out game we got probably the number one recruiting class in the country right now los angeles man what's up i mean yeah of course my agents are talking the country right now. Los Angeles, man. What's up? I mean, yeah, of course, my agents are talking to him right now, trying to get a sense of what it is. My buyout's actually pretty affordable. USC could cut the check. It's only $4 million. Yeah, we're talking, but we'll see. Maybe I'll stay, and maybe I'll end up just getting a bunch more money here. I don't know. We're going to kind of see where things land. Anything about Auburn? You could

never have the honest question, excuse me, the honest conversation about it. But if I'm USC, am I interested in James Franklin? Yeah, he's got a charisma to him. He's been successful. I don't even think people necessarily bring up the Vanderbilt thing anymore. You can if you want to. But I think he's done, he's been close at Penn State. The problem for them has been that the obstacle in their way is Ohio State, right?

And that's something that doesn't exist at USC. There isn't an enormous hurdle that you have to get over. When we talk about these jobs, right, Ryan, I think commitment of resources, being in a place where there's tradition, can you recruit, yada, yada. What kind of commitment do you have from your university to make winning football games a priority? You've got that at Penn State. I think it's been an issue at USC to a degree,

and they're trying to sort that out. But sure, I mean, if I'm him, would I be interested? I'd be interested just because it's SC. Wherever it ranks on what job it is, it's one of those jobs that if they have interest in you, you'd be a fool not to at least examine what kind of interest is that.

You're just kicking the tires. You want to sit down and talk about it. Both parties have to at least figure this out because USC, it's always crazy too the way this happens. Look at Florida State. They're like, hey, we're Florida State. Okay, we got Willie Taggart. All right. Then it's like a letdown. Then it's like, okay, now we got Mike Norvell. You're like, hey, we're Florida State. Okay, we got Willie Taggart. All right. And then it's like a letdown. And then it's like, okay, now we got

Mike Norvell. And you're like, that's the best we could do. We're Florida State. All of these programs that think they're just supposed to get Urban Meyer every time, the success rate on that is so much lower. So at least as much as we used to always do this, I'd be like, man, these programs care about winning the press conference as much as they care about winning games.

Franklin would win the press conference. You as they care about winning games. Franklin would win you the press conference. You're right. But what fan bases do, and again, it's because there's so many outlets now for the conversation, whether it's the Times or talk radio or blogs that have podcasts, whatever, the blogs, the podcasts podcast just the tonnage of conversation it's you're not gonna you're not gonna be reasonable about that it's always gonna be well urban minor well he's got an nfl job and they kicked the tires on this before and it

didn't happen for whatever he's been there a week right and they're like well you know he doesn't like the nfl he's coming that's people are adults they have jobs that they're trying to do that they're well compensated for. And you want to talk about ego. You get that shot at that level. You want to see, all right, can I win on a Sunday? Nick Saban, you know what the smartest people with ego do? They set it aside and they realize this ain't for me. Nick Saban did it. You have to want to, look at Pete Carroll. When Pete got the SC job, was he coveted? No, he was a guy who failed at that level.

But he found his lane. And then all credit to him, he did what very few, maybe just him, did. Took that from SC, went to the NFL, and won at that level too. But I think having enough of an ego to set it aside and go back to Alabama, which Nick did. And I've owned this as much as I can. I made fun of you people at the airport. My God, I'm like, look at these fools. Look at these mutants that are out there on the street,

like having a parade when Nick Saban landed at the airport. And I was completely wrong. You guys were, if anything, your greeting for Nick Saban was insufficient in retrospect. Isn't that one woman trying to make out with him? I think she did. Lady, lady, let's rein that in. Miss Terry's here. She's the wife.

But I guess what I'm saying here is the names that will get thrown around, if they aren't that, then even for SC, it can be seen as some kind of failure if you get somebody that isn't the guy that wins the headline and the press conference, as they say, even for SC. so that's and the fact that they do it this early ryan like what's james gonna do he's got a he's got a game a big one and a full season they could have a big the way ohio state looks like you know look i'm still a little iffy on clifford at this point with penn state but this could be a big season for this program yes it could i mean it absolutely could and it's and it will be a big season for eric biannimi and the kansas city chiefs. Adam Schefter said he's a Southern California guy. Maybe he's interested. But it's September 15th, man. Like, who's leaving their gig now for FC? who might really be candidates and really be interested to actually talk about it. You can't, it's just nothing you can discuss.

You're, you're in a committed relationship at the moment. I just, I just, so I just noticed a slight delay there. Do you get it? You get a text coming in. It was important.

Was it a nude? Did it rattled you a bit? The text that you got? No, I just wanted to make sure when I said, miss Terry, I got Nick Saban's wife, right?

I had it. I just was checking. You know, you do that thing where you say it and I'm like, wait, is I said Miss Terry, I got Nick Saban's wife right. I had it right. You did. I just was checking. That's good. You know, you do that thing where you say it, and I'm like, wait, is it Terry? Yeah, it's Miss Terry. I just did it with the West Virginia game because I was like, wait a minute, the Howard game was the blowout.

I'm like, they came back against Maryland. See, there you go. But you didn't belie the concentration, the host-to-host concentration. Try to say it. I had to look down at my phone. As much as you are being self-deprecating here on the Saban thing, I don't think you ever were saying,

because we were starting to hang out at that point, it wasn't that you thought Saban was a bad hire. You thought the people were lunatics. Yes, I thought they were being, I thought, no, of course, if you can get Nick Saban, get him. But look. Your favorite, by the way, your favorite plane greeting is a Gene Chizik greeting.

The one guy behind the fence going, need a leader not a loser and it was like one dude and your chizik take i could never like you looked at his iowa state record you're like you've got to be kidding me you're auburn you're going to be doing better than this but again the lesson throughout all of this is all of you programs let's just say the top 20 programs but when you look in the mirror you see a top 10 but we'll take it out to the top 20. You rarely ever end up with the guy that you're like, Oh my God, like we got him.

This is incredible. And even Bama, you know, pre Saban after Gene Stallings, Mike DuBose, Franchione, who left, who went 17 and eight was like,

no, I'm good. Mike Price did not officially enter the record books. He's got a little, he's got a little sideways there. Roll tide. Mike Shula, who went 10-23. So in the moment, you can sit there and think, oh, man, Bama, Bama.

Bama, at some point post-Saven, is going to have four years where you're like, what happened to this program? Texas, it's happening too long. Florida State, it's happening too long. SC, after Pete, tried to recapture that magic. to this program texas is happening too long florida state it's happening too long sc after pete tried to recapture that magic um and then after lane and then after sark clearly sc was like can we just have a grown-up can we have a guy who is like who's 10 years older i mean helton's only 49 years old i looked at i was like wait what so go ahead and then bone and then bone

goes out and talks about all the things they want and Helton checks every single box. Just say we want to be what we were when Pete was here. Just say that because... You don't always get it. That's the lesson, though, is you don't get to just be who you were. All these programs that do this deal where it's like, we need to get back to a guy.

Like, hey, this is what's important to us. No, you just want to win. You don't give a shit who's doing it. That's all you have to say. And this is where, if there were a prop bet, will the next guy at SC do better or worse than 40 and 22? I believe that's Helton's record there. I bet worse.

I bet the next guy doesn't get 62 games. But I would have bet every dollar i had and every dollar i'd earn the rest of my life on earth if you put the the the prop on nick saban would he win however many titles it's been i mean of course no one no one knew that so it's i this isn't to say like steve and i and steve's like are you saying they shouldn't have done it no i don't give a damn what you do. You want to get rid of Helton now? Fine.

They had to. Feet on the ground out here. I don't know any former players that were upset about this this week. And when the players start all turning on you, man, it's over. And the places have been. Former players, by the way. Right. And they got stomped by a 17-point underdog that lost to Kansas State week one.

I get it. But what I'm saying is that you want to get rid of him. Do what you want. But the notion that every one of these schools sees itself as the best version of itself. You know, Tennessee's still talking about T. Martin, man. That's 1998. Okay? 98.

And, hey, that sounds like I'm talking about the 1930s and some guy walking around wearing a top hat to go to the – I want to go down to see a picture show. It's not that long ago, but 2006 is 15 years ago for usc so i don't know man all of it just is just it's never-ending interesting topics of conversation when usc is awesome it's awesome uh but it wasn't like you sucked you didn't you didn't he wasn't terrible he just wasn't what you wanted to be so okay go okay, go be what you want to be. Okay, let's have a moment of honesty here because we used to love doing this off the air. But we did it on the air too. We did something very early on the show

where we were like, all right, here's the program. When they look in the mirror, they see this and this is actually who they are. I'm not putting you on the spot. We did it with Georgia. If I'm a Georgia fan, I'm like, so what are we supposed to just apologize for a title 40 years ago? Like my big thing, if I'm a fan of any of these, these, these teams that are at the top, like, hey, we're Georgia.

We're in the mix. We're in the mix. All right. That's the best you could probably ask for at this point. You want a certainty like Bama? Sorry. Nobody else is them really in the history of the sport. Nobody has ever been them.

So, you know, we're not going to be them but if the standard is do we have a chance right now over a few year period of competing for a national championship georgia actually checks that box so like when i see some of the georgia hate i just like look man none of that makes any sense like they're at least in the mix who give me a program give me a fan base where if scott's being honest with himself, you're like, if they lose, I'm not so bummed out about it. Because there's always the six years of buildup. People can say, hey, you guys will do this. You don't get it.

If you get the six years of shit that you and I would get over the course of a football season because we didn't buy into one of the programs and then that program thinks it's happening to them for some personal reason, when it's likely that your team just isn't as good and we're pointing it out, then it sort of turns into this chemical formula of this in the parentheses times X2.

And it's like, yeah, I kind of can't stand you guys. So when you think you're back, like Miami would be a good example of like, oh, oh, here we go. Cool. Like you got a guy who understands the culture got it okay now the recruiting lines are wide open all right derrick king is back who obviously was coming off a brutal knee thing where he came back really quickly and they get run off the field

against bama i would think there would be some that would take great joy in that because you're like you know what your fan base is the reason i'm rooting against you. Let's be honest about the time we were on the air and the Florida State fan base. Our crime was that we didn't love them as much as you loved them down in Tallahassee. But they've hit, the whole rock bottom thing is kind of an overplayed card, so to speak. I mean, watching them lose to Jacksonville State the other night brought me no joy. I just was amazed that they were able to basically just run four verts on three straight plays and one of them worked. And seeing that happen, they've been through it.

I think the fan base that still hangs on to this amazing sense of self in the face of so much evidence otherwise is Nebraska you're gonna say like well because you guys when you hired Mike Riley every and we were in the group that looked around and like went what doesn't, what is that? And he's a fine coach and a fine guy. It's just, it was so seemingly out of left field that it made no sense. And he wasn't good enough for Nebraska, according to them. Scott Frost has to go 7-0 from right now until the end of whatever to be as good as you thought Riley was bad. Riley was 500. Frost is 7 under 500 right now. And I see, and I mean, I think we all have to be very careful now how we take social

media or Twitter. And I used to make fun of myself for being on message boards because those were losers and I was one of them. How many hours? Give me just an estimation of peak Van Pelt message board time consumption.

Several hours a day I'd be on there looking around. Hourly. Like at night, just at work. You had the boards up. What do we got? Who's talking?

Give me a bit. Were you under a pen name? A nom de plume? Oh, sure. What was was it i had a nom diploma it was my old dorm from maryland but then people figured out it was me and then it became like a problem but but but hold on see you're laughing hard you're belly laughing right now the world became it became the chat rooms twitter is just the world's chat room that's all it is so when i say people are saying i don't even know if these are real Cornhusker fans,

but when they're like, well, we just need the right coach. You got the guy that you swore to yourselves was it. He was one of you. He's a link to your proud past. He was just undefeated at Central Florida. And you've got him. And it hasn't mattered. And you're a three-touchdown dog, Saturday and Norman. I think Nebraska could compete in that game. But I mean, what does that even mean to compete? So I don't have any dislike towards them. But it's when I feel like there's an arrogance that is so at odds with the reality of the current situation that when that team loses, I just kind of shrug and think, like, is anything going to make people be honest with themselves? Now, there's probably a lot of people in every fan base that are reasonable to get.

And then it's always that small percentage of people that are saying, no, all we need is the right coach and we'll be right back. No, you won't. Because the way you guys used to be able to recruit and the way you guys used to be able to do the red shirt bit and have like 150 guys and it was just a never ending factory that doesn't exist anymore. But they're a good example of how a great past, a proud past can be really difficult to escape from in right now.

Are they the same as USC? Of course not. Like Lincoln, Nebraska, Los Angeles, California are at the same thing. And there's, there's, there are big obstacles in the big 10 you have to deal with notably on the other side, like the West is pretty much wide open. That's the biggest indictment of them, isn't it? That they can't, they can't even get out of the West. My big thing...

Same way Miami can't get to the... The ACC blew up its whole league so they could get Miami and they could play Florida State every year in the title game and Miami can't make it. No. The only time Florida State annoyed me was after they won the title and it was clear it wasn't the same team and Jameis was

pulling out these wins. And yet they felt like the fan base got really mad as if it was everybody was out to get him. You're like, no, these are the rules. When you are at that level, you are then held to a different standard. It's why we're more critical of Russell Westbrook than we would be Kemba Walker. All right. Because one guy's an MVP and the other guy's like, oh, that's that guy from UConn that scores a lot. And granted, maybe that's not the perfect analogy, but you get the point. So when you were at that top threshold, you were going to be held to a certain standard. So when you're coming off a national title, Florida State-Auburn, and then they're coming in next year and you're like, I don't know.

I don't know about this team. And again, they got smashed by Oregon out at the Rose Bowl. It's like, oh, okay. So they did have some issues. And then it actually turned into a Floridaida state fan fueled thing remember that rolling stone article that they let a florida state alum write about how espn was like it was so dumb it's it was one of the worst art because it was like the guy was like uh the sports anchor said on espn that um arizona beat arizona state 38 28 he goes but Arizona State 38-28. He goes, but then he said, Florida State barely gets by UNC 38-28.

And it's like, see? See the way they framed it? And you're like, oh my God. Like, you don't understand. That did happen. Guys are just on air saying stuff, trying to get through the next scores. You're giving all those updates.

And again, I just made those up off the top of my head. And then when Jimbo poured gasoline on top of it, where he was like, you know uh FCC's with ESPN and uh ESPN and FCC they they get a lot of money involved and you're like oh okay so you're doing it too and then that was the ultimate Jimbo shut me down when I had him in studio I was like hey do you realize when you say that like this this and this and Jimbo's like good to know and he just he it was actually brilliant he just like yeah okay whatever dickhead like slammed the brakes on my whole point that I was going to make. That was a window of Florida State where I was like, this isn't even specific to Florida State. Like this happens all all the time. And honestly, of all the Florida schools, I probably like Tallahassee and Florida State more. Like if they all were in a Royal Rumble, I'd probably be rooting for Florida State. So I don't take there's no part of me that watches watches a Jacksonville State game where I'm like, oh good, I don't even care anymore. And I've never been anti-Florida State

other than that sliver of time where Florida State Twitter was out of control for like a year plus where they thought the world was out to get them. It's like, no, your title winning team doesn't look as good. And now you're being scrutinized because you're in the spotlight

as much as any program in the country. That's perfectly said. Florida State Twitter at its peak was just amazing. And it was everything. It was us in bed with the SEC to which I would always try to say, do you understand it's an orgy?

We're all in bed. Well, now there's the ACC network. Well, it's a whole lot harder to say now that ESPN put a shit ton of money into the ACC network as well. Again, it's what I've always said. It's never true.

We're in bed. But I just went back as you were talking and looked, and I remember they were down 21-0 at Louisville, and they managed to not just come back but come back and they got like a late score to win by 11. So in the end, it was – they just kept, Jameis kept pulling rabbits out of hats. So when they got absolutely trucked by Oregon and Pasadena, that was one where I, there were,

I think everyone in media. Yeah, yes. This is being honest. No one, no one in media had a funeral or had like a second line for the Florida State fan base because you guys earned whatever sort of snickers you got because of how you were convinced that everybody and their mama was against you. But now, like, because he lost to Jacksonville State.

And, I mean, there's been a litany of these things that have happened since. To me, look at what they illustrate. They're not that far removed. They want a playoff in the playoff. USC's never been in it. So Florida State, just like SC, Florida State has a million reasons why they could come back, recruiting base, history, facilities, fan base, yada, yada, yada. But the fact that they are stuck in a place where

they're spinning their wheels is i think illustrates an instructive it should be anyway to big time powers of and it's really it's really hard it's really hard that's why you the point you make on george is a great one they're they're one to a pass away from winning a title in a game where they were better for 55 minutes against Bama in that title game. And they lost in overtime. But they're there. They're right there with a chance. And maybe you feel like you're Charlie Brown running up to kick the football and you wonder if you're ever going to kick it. But I'd rather at least be running up to kick the football and you wonder if you're ever going to kick it, but I'd rather at least be running up

to kick the football than sitting over there remembering what it used to be. Yeah, and by the way, real quick, that was the last BCS game, actually, Florida State and Auburn, and then they lost the playoff. I just wanted to clean that up. Oh, there you go. We're accountable.

That's what people always said about them. We don't like to show in management, but they're accountable. They, we're accountable. We're that's, that's what people always said about him. I do. And we don't like the show and management, but they're accountable. Uh, they don't tease. Well, coming up. All right.

Here's a, here's a, we're going to get real here. Cause we do some life advice. We have a lot of relationship guys. At what point did my friend, Scott Van Pelt say, you know what?

4. AM recruiting guys in a video game. Let's start a family. Well, you know, Ryan, you'll be pleased to know that last night I came home and fired up the game and played a game. I guess what I'm saying to the people out there, find you a guy who can do both.

Juggle three children, early wake-up calls, COVID tests at school, little guys freaking out, ready to fight the world, and take that program. What happened last year was in the middle of the pandemic when Big Cat dusted off that game and played it. I actually said, let me go find that game. And then it's, it's the, that NCAA 2014 is the perfect come down late at night when you come, cause you can sit there in the dark, the glow of the screen, it's sort of a hypnotic. So I guess what I'm saying is, uh, I'm doing both

now, but at what point did I realize that that life was i think when i i think when the clock i started doing the the math right i talk a lot about sleep bath you know when you're when you're up late you know the alarm's gonna go off at seven and it's 3 30 and you go if i fall asleep right now i'll do this i started doing that if i got married right now and had kids i'll probably be dead before they're gonna get married married. And that kind of bummed me out. So I just, I thought, I thought, I thought I should probably start,

start a life before I was dead. That's, that's kind of what happened to me. You did say to me once that you were like, um, you said it was an incredible line. I was like, so,

you know, and cause i am i am head down with a with a neck roll on towards the alternative version of what you have now and you'd said i don't want to be that really old guy dropping his kids off at the dorm that everybody makes fun of and i remember one of our one of our college friends like his dad showed up like why is your grandfather moving you in? What is going on? Yeah, that's going to be me.

But hopefully I'm so fucking famous that the people will be like, oh, that's awesome. I can see that. Speaking of fame, take us through that new truck ad that you have. I didn't think of you as a truck guy. I like that you're expanding out the Scott Van Pelt Experience slash brand Feel free to get a plug in For this new truck and

I don't know if you saw my tweet You were loaded up with a ton of accessories On the belt and there was almost a Fanny pack what the fuck was going on With the outfitting for that Um I do want to say Thanks as always for

tweeting out accessories that's really helpful very few got that one no that was just a little ram 1500 well you know it's a place called trucktopia

this is actually free I'm not even getting any dough for this look these things come down the pike they they're looking for people that can move product and i'm that guy um dude did a little little spot with tony the tiger you did and naji harris as well yeah there you go i mean how do you how do you whether it's like that was almost like going no no just let me interrupt though because that tony the tiger ad that's a lot like avatar so you're acting with cgi involved that was a whole new challenge for you as an actor well i mean i've spoken with jimmy uh it's james cameron uh me and jimmy and jimmy are are you know similar interests watches deep sea yeah we're we're just we're talking about some things down

the road because avatar has got four or five films down the you know in the in the chamber they're just getting ready to spring on people so yeah i mean i was uh working with tony uh big ego tony the tiger like a huge entourage a lot of a lot of handlers i like to work stealth just me i'm in and out uh obviously i'm kidding i was it was good fun but these things pop up whether it's a muscle truck or some kid's cereal. I'm just here to try to move products. What were you wearing? Why did you have to have all that stuff on? Because what were you like? Were they selling it? Because I was the park ranger. See, it's truck-topia. See, Ryan, this truck's coming in and I'm the guy that's there to make sure that you've got the credentials. And then maybe if you're some kind of imposter,

I got the what for on my hip just to make sure it was not actually a handgun. I think it was just like where like a pistol would go or something. But thankfully, you were out there to let everybody know that I had accessories on my belt. That was like it took two days. It was like this full green screen. took two days it was like this full green screen and it was in this like metro bus terminal uh downtown in dc so it was outdoors and it was the coldest couple of days of the winter so i just i i suffered for the art for the craft but i don't think you could tell can you no those ads that's acting but they're they're uh i couldn tell. Honestly, I still feel like after working on a couple with you, that those could be done more efficiently. Am I wrong?

Listen. I don't want to call out the industry here, but whenever you're on a shoot for an ad, you go, wait, what? We were at Dick's Sporting Goods, I think, for 12 hours that day, which was actually not bad. Not bad. My sense of it is this, and is that they could be a leaner outfit. What I mean by that is that there are so many, you wouldn't believe how many people are there on a commercial shoot.

The crew, the number of people who are there is unbelievable and i mean that that ram ad was like a movie set it was it was rather involved and it goes on and on but hey people have money to spend they're going to spend it make sure that they get all the shots and the takes exactly the way they want them i go back to the very first this is sports center ad that i ever did with rich beam who had won the pga championship i remember that rich beam yeah nickname was beamer and the gist of the joke was he was driving this little bmw convertible he had the wanamaker trophy in the front seat and i was in the trunk and i was actually in the trunk for how long and i got i how long were you in the trunk for the longest stretch of time? This is a sports center, right?

Yeah, it was brief. I wedged myself in there. I had to fold my legs in, but I was actually in this trunk. They drive, pop the trunk, and I get out. And I did it, and then I did it again, and then I did it again. And finally, I had done it eight times, and it didn't feel good to be in there for two seconds. And I just said to the director, this is my first one. I was so excited to be in one.

Those things are iconic. I'm willing to do whatever. I just said, look, whatever shot you need, whatever cutaway, different angle, you need to get it on this one because I'm not getting in the trunking. And they're like, got it. Yeah, I would think. Got it. And then, punchline, they used the first take because it was sort of the most authentic me kind of moaning and grunting and getting out of there if you google it kids you'll

see two things number one i believe i'm wearing a very uh handsome blue joseph abud shirt you'll see that i'm pretending to have hair and you'll see I'm wearing a very chunky square-toed Kenneth Cole as I recall. Kenneth Cole did not make a non-square tip for about a decade. With like the big lug boot sole. So it's like they had like the Timbo soles

with the square and the tassel. I'm actually smiling at the memory. But yeah, that's I guess what I'm saying, I don't even know what I'm saying anymore, other than that the ads are very involved. I'm out here, folks. You want to move product, get it your boy.

That's what we do. Sell trucks, cereal, whatever. Okay, we're going to finish with this. It's a new segment here on the podcast. We ask all of our guests this last question. Who have you muted do i have to tell no like a real like a like a real person i've never done this segment before that would just be awesome if everybody just started

like yep kind of got sick of this guy's leans i just mute people that say hateful stuff because if you i met people you follow like i'd because if you, I met people you follow, like I'd love if you were like, you know, you're like, Hey Ravitch, I get it. Baseball's picking up,

but no, I think I, I'm just going to pass on this one because there, because there's people that you follow cause you kind of have to, but then you realize if I unfollow, it's just way easier to mute and i'm like oh i missed it now to see i saw the accessories tweet i just chose not to i chose not to engage you're the best i want to let you get on with the rest of your day say hi to the wife and kids

and we'll do it again soon all right i look forward to it hope life's beautiful in your part of the world always good to catch up thanks man we may be number three in overall categories but we are number one when it comes to international sports I don't think there's any debate about that the growth of going abroad

has continued throughout the season we're going to keep look with Kevin Clark in my schedule we can't guarantee you're going to get going abroad on Mondays. It's probably never going to happen,

but why not a little Wednesday love for you? Fresh off the Italian Grand Prix, Monza, a McLaren podium, 1-2 Ricardo Norris and Botas, who, again, we can get to him, starts last, ends up third. What a day. This is the kind of race, Kevin,

that I think if you knew nothing about it all right if you hadn't watched any of the netflix shows which is the only reason i'm into it because you're into it uh because i know the characters now there's there's an element of drama as you know anything you pay attention to after a little while it's kind of like reality tv i hate some of these shows but after like four episodes i'm like are they going to break up so um this is the kind of race if you were just to sit and watch this For the first time ever you would probably go Wait this happens This is what it is

I don't know where you want to start with this But I just think the overall Entertainment level For this specific race on Sunday Was about as good as you're going to get So I want to start with shout out Danny Rick Great We made fun of him on Friday Good timing I would say It was a good take I stand by it so i want to start with shout out danny rick um great we made on friday you did uh good timing i

would say i was it was a good take i stand by it we were slightly wrong it happens now i actually want to kind of peel back the curtain here for a second so the the max and lewis accident to me is more significant than the first one um i'm stealing this take from Joel and Palmer on the BBC coverage. Shout out BBC Formula One coverage. But he said, we've reached the point now where these guys clearly would rather wreck themselves out of a race than give up, than give an inch. And part of it is that Max knows at Monza

where Mercedes has an advantage because they're just a faster car in the straights. Part of it is you don't want to give up out of the turns and that creates some problems. Max now is known for complaining as soon as there's a crash. Lewis was a little bit upset that Max didn't even check to make

sure he was okay. I mean, the car was on his head at one point and Max kind of got out of the car and left. Kind of. He just left. But kind of. He didn't even. He just left. I mean, just so people can understand a little bit, too. Here, Ricardo off of the off the pole makes the line because he's inside.

So the way it's set up again, I don't understand this stuff that much. But it's like if you get a good start, you actually because you have the inside get hits. Ricardo immediately takes P1 off of off the start. And then Max is behind him him max has a horrible pit 11 seconds all right and it's amazing just a second here or there how the butterfly effect effect of this whole thing is incredible because then later hamilton pits he has a bad pit over four seconds and as you're coming out of the pit you've got to stay inside of the white line and as soon as he has passed the white line

he veers right in front of max into the chicane where it's really crowded we saw people having trouble with it all the time you can't really make any move in there depending on your line and so part of it it's like hamilton veered right in front of him which is fine because it was defensive and he was clear of the pit line and then max's argument was he doesn't give me any room and if we if for all the new people right now, every time there's an accident, the other guy always says the other guy didn't give him room. That's just automatic. And so Hamilton is outside.

He still has the edge. And as Max goes into the sausage curb, which these curbs are different at Monza, it bounces his car up, and it lands on top of Hamilton, and they're out of the race and as you said max just gets out he's so mad and he walked for what felt like 20 minutes back um back to what do they call it very angry i've never seen an angrier walk and he's just stuck there right Right. Shout out to the halo, which is the little thing on top of drivers heads that kept Lewis

Hamilton from having a car on his skull, which is important. That was only installed. I think three years ago, there was a lot of debate about it because I don't know. Traditionalists didn't like it because Michael Schumacher didn't have it. I don't know, but it's a good thing.

The 11 second pit. I just want to address that really quickly. The reason that happened with Red Bull is apparently i did not know this until this weekend if you put a wheel on there's a computer that sort of tells you what's going on and you have to press okay on like an ipad or something and the guide is didn't press okay so so it never released that was the problem so it's like a little a literal like middle management problem from what i understand so it's like rock in the skyscraper where it's like we just reset your phone yeah so but then i want so i want to go back to the max thing because everybody says that now max complains about everything you complain obviously silverstone

he complained about this like it's clear that max thinks that anybody who hits him is in the wrong. So I was coming on this. I have a literal half page of notes here ready to destroy Max. But, but, this morning I watched the new Michael Schumacher documentary on Netflix. Okay, it's out. It's good. I enjoy it. I recommend it.

There's a moment in there where Dave Coulthard, who was one of Schumacher's contemporaries, wrecked with Schumacher. And they got out of the car and it was clearly both guys were at fault. And Dave said to Michael, OK, you know what? Obviously, you have to take some responsibility. We both kind of screwed up there. And Schumacher was like, no, I don't accept that. And Dave goes, well, you must be wrong at some point ever. And Schumacher, without a hint of joking, said,

not that I can remember. And so in that moment, I realized that to get to this level, you have to have 100% confidence in every move that you do. This seems like an uncontrollable, fluky sport. I was watching George Russell's head cam the other day during the sprint race, and it's just such a... You're bouncing around way too much. There's a reason. I don't know if you've

ever seen it, Russell. A lot of the exercises these guys do are neck exercises. They put weights on their neck because it's just bouncing around all the time. It seems like such a reckless and wild sport, but these guys think they have control over it every single inch of the track.

And you can't get to the Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton level without having that level of certainty. And so I get it. And that's why I think now, even hearing this anecdote from Shumi, is that these sorts of accidents are A, going to keep happening because both these guys are wired like that. Lewis dares guys to crash. Max is going to crash in that situation.

This is going to keep happening. We're going to keep having fluky results like Daniel Rick and McLaren being the first one-two of the year for any team. It's McLaren. There are so many things that led to this, but this was an amazing race, and it's going to keep happening because of the mentality of the only two guys who can win the championship.

Really well said. A little surprised with the Shumi reference, but again, I'm new to this, so I'll allow it. This is setting up between Verstappen and Hamilton, though. Like, this would be like having... I don't know. I don't want to compare anything to Jordan,

but it'd be like prime Kobe and LeBron going at it and us never knowing i mean max is still in the points lead which is incredible considering the bad luck at baku where he crashes in the lead lap um silverstone as you mentioned that ended up being a 10 second penalty for hamilton but it wrecked for stopping so he's out and hamilton still ends up winning the home race um i've gone back and watched a lot of different stuff like Silverstone, everybody was all over the place with that one. They're like, actually, it was Max. No, it was Lewis. If the axle's past the rear axle, if the front axle's past the rear axle, it's still yours. This one, I don't have a problem

with Hamilton coming out and being defensive out of the pit exit. That's exactly what you're supposed to do there. But you said something I think that was one of the most resonating facts for me when I watched the Netflix doc is I think it was Vettel. Here's Vettel who's won a bunch of championships. He's with Ferrari. You know, now he's with Alpha, right? He's with Aston Martin. Aston Martin, excuse me.

Tough weekend for the Alphas. Haas, though, not bad. But Vettel was supposed to let somebody pass. The Haas drivers openly hate each other, by the way. Yeah, they crashed each other this week. It's really good. And they're in the back. It's also, they both have absolute job security

because Nick Schumacher is A, a Schumacher, but B, good. And Mazepin, his dad is funding the team. So they're just good. They can just continue on like this yeah they never have to worry about any of this stuff and this is the dynamic that i would i would tell people like you have to understand how frustrating this is because at your core if you're one of these 20 guys you are wired a certain way and max and hamilton are like times 10 and in the best cars but i think there was an episode with Vettel when he was still with Ferrari

earlier on the Netflix series where Vettel is supposed to let somebody pass. Yeah. And he's like, oh, okay. Next lap. They're like, let him pass.

And he's like, oh, he's just, he's like, oh, I'm picking up my pace. They're like, okay,

but you got it. Can you, and then they go back afterwards and they're just like, look, if you don't have some bastard in you, then you actually can't win an F1. You can't even get here. These guys that have won

the championship for the season, they have some bastard in them. I think that's what we're seeing with two incredibly talented drivers in the two best, I would say, cars right now. I don't think anybody's, even though we could talk about Mercedes not being what they were in comparison to everybody right now i don't think anybody's even though we could

talk about mercedes not being what they were in comparison to everybody else i don't think anybody's going to argue that there's a third car even after a great weekend for mclaren and hell even with lando norris who some people think look is quicker than than ricardo and could have overtaken him on sunday and even lando's like hey tell ricardo to go faster and they're like ricardo go faster he's like well i can't because the tires. Like, no, you can go faster. And then he's like, no, I'm good. And then they never at any point were going to tell Ricardo to let Lando pass him, which is what I think. You would probably know way more about that than I would.

Okay, so two things. Number one is that we mentioned the Danny Rick thing and the NBA thing. Danny Rick gave an interview to the BBC midweek and said that he actually took inspiration from the last dance. He's an NBA head. That's why I'm surprised. Maybe he heard the Dwight Howard comp said that he actually took inspiration from The Last Dance. He is a NBA head. That's why I'm surprised that maybe he heard the Dwight Howard comp. Maybe he heard it. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just saying he's an NBA media consumer. Okay. But he said that he'd watched Last Dance and one of the things he took from it was to use anything as fuel. And so when he was getting off the line against Max, he said he remembered a time

three years ago when Max beat him off the line and he was miserable about it for days. And he decided to use that as the fuel. This is a race nobody remembers from three years ago. And I thought that was interesting. And I think that sometimes we forget even Danny Rick, who is an all time vibes guy. He looks like he's just hanging out sometimes. Like that's a guy who really still has the motivation to be a top, top draft. The Lando thing. So Lando radioed in when he was second. He's quicker than Ricardo.

And also, by the way, at that point, people were worried. The broadcast said Botas was going to win, if you remember that. Yeah, no. There was like a lap 30 as Botas just cruising through everybody. He went from 19 to 3. I think once he was fourth. And again, he ended up third in the podium because of a penalty for Perez. He went from 19 to 3. Botas it's a totally different race but he got a five second time penalty um so Lando radios in to the McLaren HQ and kind of just pokes around and it's like so uh you know what do you want me

to do it reminded me Ryan of the tone and you know this we talked about it on Sony's day of the day the tone when people call you to book themselves on your podcast you know that you know I was just thinking you know I was just thinking about this and just wondering if you you know just wanted to talk about it that's all like it was that kind of probing call um and so mclaren correctly said you cannot race because that would just increase the chances of a wreck and it would ruin the chances of a one-two and so i i understand why that happened i understand understand why Lando, I was listening to some of this stuff this week. Apparently Lando was just like Mr. McLaren.

Like he, apparently he's like involved with the like actual like loading of the dock and the car like afterwards. Like he's just really all in on McLaren. So I understand why he took one for the team, but I also understand him wanting to win his first damn race, which he had an opportunity to do.

There's no version of this where if Lando's one or Ricardo's two that they tell him to ease off. There's other teammate setups where you would feel that way, but as far as the point standings go, they weren't going to do that to Lando if it were the other way around. Correct? I'm asking. What happens in these situations is you, A, prioritize who's winning and who can win, and you prioritize the one and the two.

And so I think that there was never going to be – I mean, we've seen so many horror stories of teammates trying to go straight up and race, and it ends really badly. So I understand for McLaren, who just needed a W. I mean, this is a huge thing for McLaren. Everybody's talking. It's so funny. Or McLaren, who just needed a W. I mean, this is a huge thing for McLaren. Everybody's talking.

It's so funny. Because the formula changes next year, everybody is doing the college football thing now, where it's like, uh-oh, McLaren 2022. Maybe they figured something out. Everyone was talking about how Daniel Rick took this August break and had a think. That's what he said. And now he's in tune with the car. And it's almost the exact same discourse, Ryan, ofyan of like oh this guy's finally comfortable in the offense this is it's finally

comfortable in the offense like here we go he understands it he gets the car and so now i think mclaren just emotionally this is a big thing they're probably going to become a little bit overrated for 2022 because of this um but i loved it. And I, I'm, I'm happy for everybody involved. I'm not going to tell you it's the reason, but I can't ignore it. McLaren sent me a big gift pack right before this weekend. And I guess not the reason some quarters. You can't rule it out.

No, you can't. What, uh, what's your, have you worn any of it out? Yeah, but live it in it. Worked out in it.

Like, oh, look at McLaren. Look at McLaren. McLaren guys just doing chest today. Like, yeah. Just biceps tomorrow. Why? Focus. Breathe through the muscle. Feel it.

By the way, I'm waffling on house on house I don't know man now you are where were you before I don't know I was I decided I was going to be a fan of the most American thing and that's one at all times because

America has been written out of the history of F1 and it shouldn't we had Americans in Ferrari for God's sake, 40 years ago. We're going backwards. So I decided I'd become like American F1 guy, but now I don't know

if I want to be involved with Haas, man. Has our emphasis on improving American soccer hurt our chances of an American in an F1 seat? I would say on podcasts, certainly. I mean, think about

going abroad 10 years ago would have just been about Didier Drogba, you know? No, it's true. It's totally true. All right. So, by the way, Max is still five points ahead of Hamilton. And again, Silverstone, Baku, where he's going to win, and then this one.

I mean, well, I think that's three retirements. I don't think there's another one that I could be missing. So it's actually been an unlucky stretch for Max, who's still in first, if you think of it that way. But Max was given a three grid penalty to start Sochi. Yeah. So, I mean, three is not. And this is, again, my remedial understanding of this and just reading everything else that's available. It's just that that's not considered that much of a penalty.

So we'll see what happens with him. But this was an incredible, incredible race and the Botas part of it too, from what, 19th to third. And you're right. Like if it wasn't for those other elements, his times, you're like, he may have won this whole thing.

And he actually, for a guy that knows he's gone, although I thought it was funny last week when he was basically complaining throughout the pitch strategy. And it's like, this is a guy that knows he's gone, although I thought it was funny last week when he was basically complaining throughout the pitch strategy that's like, this is a guy that already has left the job and they're asking him to stick around for a little while. He was I think, you know, he rarely

as we know the Finns keep it very close to the vest, not to generalize, but for somebody that rarely is happy about anything, you can almost sense some joy from him. And I don't know if it's like it's not because his teammate crashed because they're still the constructor series but he in the post-race deal i thought showed a side of him of like yeah i know how impressive that was

what i just did and by the way i thought it was hilarious because of haas they were like did you not attack on the first lap because of haas he's like yeah i just want to get it out of the way he didn't say it but that was basically like, I was going to let everybody screw with each other for the first lap, and then I was just going to cut through everybody, and that's what he did. So this was, I'm telling you, if you've never watched a race or anything, you can go back on ESPN and watch it. Look, that's asking a lot in football season.

Anybody, I doubt many people do it. It's an hour and a half. And there's no commercials. This was one of the best examples you could give somebody if you were like, hey, if you're on the fence about checking out an F1, watch the Italian Grand Prix. Because it was, you know, there's other races where you're like, all right, 30 laps. It's kind of been the same thing here. There's a little bit of a lull.

You can get into the pit strategy, which I still don't understand all the time. It's just like, why don't you just pit ahead of them then? That seems to be the thing that everybody wants to do. But again, I understand the tire part of the whole deal. But this was 90 minutes of start to finish locked in the whole time. I thought it was funny. There's so many back in my days from broadcasters that are always kind of over the top or ridiculous.

So there was obviously when Verstappen was on top of Hamilton on top of his car Brundle was told this little anecdote and he was like you know uh I'm glad the halo's there because in FP3 Senna one time uh his tire was on my shoulder and he was still revving the engine I was like that that's a back of my that's a very relevant back of my day that does suggest a little more toughness from from those guys back then yeah that's scary because i mean at one point he is revving but then he didn't he had lost it and you know verstappen's trying to get off of hamilton's car and you're like is the tire hitting his head but you're right i was terrified when i saw it yeah you're right because you're

thinking like hey can i still stay in this race and then he doesn't realize he's he's taken out the entire right side of his own car um with that here i gotta ask you now that i've i've been a little bit more locked in this season crofty the main guy on the call what does he do with some of these pronunciations does he just decide to say stuff this way because it's you can't just say it's his accent and where he's from instead of hungary during that one he was like oh here we are hungary and where he's from. Instead of Hungary, during that one, he was like, oh, here we are, Hungary. And then he actually will say Hungary later on. There's some words that he'll just say, and I'll go, what's going on? Now, I understand our fascination as an American culture.

We love to be judged by people with accents, specifically the English. We do not feel complete as a society until we have English people telling we're doing something wrong on television. But I'm picking up some things with Crofty. Okay, so easy answer on the Hungari thing. Hungaro Ring is the name of the track. So it's possible he's conflating the two sometimes or he just gets a little bit too... He just molds those two things together. I defer to him then.

So it reminds me a little bit of... remember john miller on sunday night baseball oh yeah he would just go way over the top and like ask these guys what their pronunciations were and then he would which is good and noteworthy and admirable but then he would just really ham it up. Really ham it up. I remember he would just go full steam ahead with Juan Uribe. And that was his big thing. And he would just let everybody know he'd nailed Uribe and that 29 other announcers

had failed at Juan Uribe. So I think Crofty takes a little pride in that. It's a good way of putting it. It's kind of like in veep where all of a sudden like julia uh louis drives is out yeah and she has to be at the inauguration for president montez and she just she does it like they really sell it a lot anyway and if you haven't seen veep this is irrelevant does not make any sense so we're gonna move on from that um what uh what else do we have i think that's it that's 20 minutes i think we i think we got it all

we got sochi in two weeks um that would be something to watch but this season's heating up and you know i know that during football season it's tough to juggle lord knows i got four sports that i'm obsessed with but it's an hour and a half on sunday mornings and as long as it's not too early in the morning where you live, uh, I recommend it highest recommendation. All right. Well said. Thank you. They say money can't buy happiness. Look at the fucking smile on my face. Ear to ear, baby. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari. 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house

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64200. Don't know how many Taliban members I could take one-on-one, but I definitely could take a couple CrossFit guys at a pull-up contest. They pull up stuff just never-ending. There's nothing I can do about it. Sorry. I apologize. I had a couple guys sending me Instagram videos of guys doing terrible pull-ups, asking me if I was great to grade their form. And I mean, all zeros across the board, just swinging. It's like a kid on the monkey bars at the park. It's videos of guys doing terrible pull-ups asking me if I was great to grade their form and I mean all zeros across the board just swinging like it's like a kid on the monkey bars at the park it's ridiculous right but if that's the crossfit the kipping thing then we've discussed that's fine it's just not the same that's that's the only statement this podcast has made no one's knocking

anything it's just it's not the same and most people would agree so we're not worried about it anymore so anyway uh this past weekend my wife and I went on a weekend trip to Vegas for the Raiders game. Longtime friend, let's call him David, was there for the game as well. So we met up with David and his wife after the game to grab some food and hit a casino. David and I grew up together, although we don't live in the same city now. We talk weekly, live in adjacent states, so we do see each other somewhat frequently. You guys live in different states and you still see each other all the time. That's pretty good.

Our wives know each other through us although not best friends. They get along pretty well. Alright, so sounds good. So back to our post-game hangout. I went to the casino with the expectation that it wasn't going to be some unforgettable high stakes night on the casino floor. No one's ideal gambling scenario involves their wife hanging over their shoulder and I'd be back at work later that week. Plus, David and I

both live close enough that we can hit up Vegas so it's not like a one andand-done thing. They have family there, so this wasn't a huge amount of pressure. I plan to get a few chips on red, play some blackjack, and be in bed by 2 a.m. That's still a pretty good night, though.

I'm not going to lie to you. That's a Monday night 2 a.m.-er. But again, casino time, that's like 8.30, so you're right. I get your point. All right, here's where things get awkward. Bold font. David clearly had other plans for how he wanted this night to go, and I don't really have any other explanation for his motives other

than he really wanted to piss off his wife. He kept making huge bets that were unlikely to hit, going back to the ATM for more cash and seemed unfazed by his wife's pleading with him to stop. At one point, he was telling me how much he hates his gambling after she made a scene at the blackjack table, when he lost another chunk of change, he seemed amused by it. Despite me trying to not give his annex any oxygen. He was also giving some not so subtle commentary on,

uh, other women, other female casino patrons right in front of his wife. Is this guy wasted? It was really weird situation for us to be in. Look, man, I've been in a relationship long enough that there are good days and bad days.

Unfortunately, this isn't an isolated incident that I've observed with him doing stuff like this, even if this was an extreme case. My wife and I now find ourselves in a pickle for the four of us because we've been tentatively planning a vacation together this winter. And after feeling how uncomfortable they made us in a three-hour shift in Vegas, we don't really want to go and subject ourselves to being in the middle of their unhealthy relationship for a whole week. What is the move here? Do we just come up with an excuse and fade out of the picture for this group vacation and keep postponing indefinitely until he forgets about it?

Or do I shoot straight with him and tell him it kind of sucks being an observer, him being a dick to his wife? If I go with the latter, do I give him advice on how to improve his relationship? Let me know what you think, man. Tough one. Not easy. Some people would just continue to delay it. They would try the Don Draper route where he keeps telling Pete Campbell and Trudy he

will not come to their house in the suburbs. And if you remember that episode, he tries to cancel one last time. And Trudy's like, all right, we'll just reschedule. She's like, you're coming. And I already checked with your wife and you're not doing anything. So this is happening. So she was super determined. And then Don finally just had to give in. So the long, hey, we have something going on that weekend, that's going to get exhausting. I know most

people would do it because most people aren't as confrontational. It's just a pain in the ass. And if it's still your friend too, like you want to keep lying to your friend about why you can't do something every single time. So in a weird way, I mean, usually I'm pretty much taken on, you know, head on here, but that's, this is absolutely one of those cases. If he's this close of a friend, which clearly he is based on the resume you provided us here, why can't you go into it, not in an attacking mode, but just say, Hey man, what's up with you and the white? All right. Do you want to talk to me about it? what's up with you and the wife all right do you want to talk to me about it um because if it were the other way around you would notice things too and i'm not saying and you could do it this way

too so maybe his feelings aren't hurt but again either he will or won't care i don't know the guy clearly you know if you said to some people like hey man you and your wife fight all the time i don't want to be around it um i had a terrible terrible college girlfriend relationship and my friends were like, everything about you is great except for her. And when it's one of those nights where something's pissing you off or pissing and it just turns into a thing, you suck. You suck to be around. And the thing is, and that was when we did our, hey, what do we say behind each other's backs? And that I do not recommend doing that with your friends because there was some serious damage that

was done that night. But I felt like I was like i was like oh really that's the only thing you guys say about me okay i can handle that because it's accurate it's accurate you're right yeah no i was just like look sir rudy i cannot debate this with you you're right i think it sucks too and i actually with some of the other shit other guys are saying about people i felt like i got off. So I was like, I can handle that one. That's not that bad. Although there's probably something else you guys aren't telling me.

I really, you know, again, I just think people avoid confrontation so much. But I would say this. Be like, hey, it's not that I don't want to hang out with you. You know I want to hang out with you. Okay? like hey it's not that i don't want to hang out with you you know i want to hang out with you okay but now that we've got the wives situation here um like where are you at right now to like are you do you not want to be with her anymore because if you're going to fight the whole time like you did in vegas like we can't do that now yes there's another part of it where he goes and

tells her and then she's mad at you and your wife you're like oh fuck them and you know what i mean like there's very little accountability, I think today. So I don't know if they'll own up to it, but that's pretty bad. That's a pretty bad scene. If your wife is begging you not to go back to the ATM and you're like, fuck it, hit me. Oh, look

at this hot girl at the blackjack table. That's a problem. Unless it was just a one-off and he was wasted. And I'm not saying it's an excuse, but there are times you can be like, hey, that's a problem. Unless it was just a one-off and he was wasted. And I'm not saying it's an excuse, but there are times you can be like, hey, that's not normal. And it sounds like this is normal.

And you're not mentioning at any point that he was just drinking so much that was the catalyst for this kind of night. So I would tell him and be like, it's not that I don't. So you kind of keep yourself like the line of communication. You don't want to be like attacking. You just want to be straight up because I would personally find it exhausting to keep making up lies for why I couldn't do something. And maybe he'll, you know, maybe I don't know if he's going to change or maybe he opens up about the relationship, but at least

gives you some kind of like default thing where he maybe stops asking you until he figures out his own shit. So I think everything you said is spot on. And I think guys, a lot of the time, are uncomfortable obviously talking with their friends about their feelings and stuff that's going on and problems in their lives. I know with my group of friends, we are not the most emotionally competent people. We're trying to get better at it. But clearly, I think this guy, your friend, it's almost like a cry out for help, right? He's, he's, he's like a toddler kind of making a scene because he wants attention. I almost feel like he, maybe he's afraid to ask you or tell you or open up with you. So he's kind of making a scene because he wants to talk about what the problems in his marriage or the problems in his life. And he'll probably, I think, appreciate

you noticing and actually caring enough to mention it. And I think if you ignore it, you're right. Like, it's going to be a huge pain in the ass. And here's the thing. You could ignore it. And then if he actually confronts you on it, you can say, hey, man, here's the real reason. So you can kind of get out of it that way. But I think you just kind of rip the Band-Aid off because it kind of feels like this guy is crying out for help, man. So I think you should help your friend.

Stefan, you got anything to add? Yeah. I mean, I'm not married, so I can't go that far. But I would. Hey, it hasn't stopped me for a year. So don't worry about it. But I will say that, yeah, he should have that conversation with his friend because it's like it could go really bad. Like say they actually do want to go on a vacation.

His friend goes like to the next level and does it somewhere far away from home is like, damn, now we're here. It's awkward. The house is silent. Everybody's eating, like not saying anything to each other it just feels weird like i am ready to go home so yeah he probably should just take him to the side or just call him one day and say hey what's going on at home like clearly something is wrong you want to talk about it if he doesn't then hey it is what it is at this point yeah this would be the best way to just like if i said to you what if you in a year you have to tell him yeah i've been lying and making excuses because my wife and i don't

want to hang out with you and your wife like think about that version of this instead of instead of just now going hey you want to talk a little bit here like next time we're in town let's talk it's not a huge deal just want to talk with you or you can just do it over the phone and get it over with, whatever. But I personally, if I were the other end of it and be like, so wait a minute, you just lied for an entire year because of something that I'm doing, I'd be way more pissed than you saying to me. And look, I'm telling you, I think more people would probably go down that road. Like, oh, parents are in town. Oh my God, we got soccer practice. Like soccer practice? You don't even have a kid. I'm like, no, no, it's my soccer practice.

Like, wait, what? And then it's like, how many relatives do you have? Like, wait, you're going to the Poconos again? I just, Poconos geographically doesn't match up with the email, but you get the point. Right. Yeah, well, that's why they're busy all the time. They keep going to the Poconos. All right. This one is, this one's a little tougher, but we're going to do it because it's serious and it's also something that I had to deal with as well.

But I wanted to read it. All right. Former D1 baseball player, 5'11", 200, living in the Northeast. I calculate macros. Oh, great. Cool. You weigh your food. Anyway, as you may have noted in the subject

line, my girlfriend is dealing with a gone guy situation. Terrific movie. Haven't read the book. Kind of want to read the book. Not a huge nonfiction or fiction guy, but you know what? You probably didn't care about that part of the email, so keep it moving, Rosillo. Jesus. Over the past year of knowing one another, we have discussed our paths of how we arrived single to divorce in our mid-30s. Not that there is anything wrong with that, of course. And this time she's mentioned that she had, has a stalker who pops up in the DMs of whomever she is dating at the time.

Sweet. Before Amanda, not her real name, knew me, there have been a number of instances where the stalker would send pictures to either her or the guy she is dating or one or both of the residents. Wait a minute, what? The stalker would send pictures to either her or the guy she's dating or one or both of the residents. Wait, what? The stalker would send pictures to either her or the guy she's dating of one or both

of the residences while they were inside. All right. Well, that's scary and it sucks. So guys taking pictures, the stalkers taking pictures of the girl and the new boyfriend while they're inside their own houses. The stalker would also send her and her boyfriend's extremely frightening text messages from random numbers, which caused her a great amount of fear. Amanda, using a fake name, again, did not confide in many people about this,

only her close friends who did not live in the area and her on and off again ex-boyfriend. Given that her ex-boyfriend was in close proximity to her, he would always call her, text her, and sometimes go to her residence console. Or while she was hysterical, it got so bad to the point where she had to move. She did not tell many people about her new residence in fear that she would be found by the stalker. Yet, lo and behold, the stalker would send pictures of her new residence along with extremely creepy messages. All the while, she was afraid, ashamed, and embarrassed about the situation, never got the police involved. Probably a mistake. That's his term, not mine, the police part of this.

This would ebb and flow for a while, constantly updating her friends and her ex-boyfriend about every instance. Amanda doesn't have many friends. I've met a few of them over the past year, and I've only heard her speak of her close male friends, Frank, who's a police officer, Tom, and Jerry. And Jerry's the ex-boyfriend. All right, so Frank, police officer, Tom, and then Jerry, who's the ex-boyfriend. I'm not the jealous type. And she's free to talk to whomever she pleases. And she

stayed close with Jerry about a month or two before Amanda and I started dating. Jerry had invited her to a wedding and she accepted. However, after she started dating, she told Jerry that it would not be a good idea for her to go to the wedding. And Jerry had a major outburst. Then about two months after that, I received a scathing text message from what seemed to be her stalker. I quickly took a screenshot, sent it to Amanda. Luckily, this time she contacted Frank, the cop. Frank was able to find that the message was sent from a scrambler, so the location wasn't easily traceable. Frank and her then started brainstorming to see how they could catch the individual. She's always been suspicious that it could have been Jerry, but in the back of her mind,

she kept thinking, why would one individual who always was there for me do this to me, especially while I was so fragile and scared? Ever since I received the message, her fear started to come back and she's been heavily weighing. It's been heavily weighing on her. So she decided to go for it. She sent the text to Jerry this past Monday and it read, quote, I think the stalker's back and they sent a terrible message to my boyfriend. I decided to get the cops involved at this point. I'm sick of this BS. They ran the cell number and it was scrambled. So now they're trying to trace the IP address. I showed them the previous message of screenshots and they think they can get him wherever it is on multiple accounts of harassment. This is so annoying. You know how much this affects me. And the dramatic climax leads to this. Not even five minutes after she fired off that text, Jerry called her, admitted to everything and begged her to not get him arrested. Here's where I need your help. I've been pushing her to give this guy what he deserves. She's afraid that if this guy Jerry has nothing left,

he might be bound to do something incredibly horrific. What should the appropriate next steps be? Because I feel like this has to be her decision, but at the same time, people like this should not be left off easily. All right. You can probably do better than just me as a guy hosting the podcast for the advice here. This is infuriating.

And I think what you said is the most important thing. It has to be her decision. It absolutely has to be her decision because she's the one that's dealing with this fear. I can only tell you from my one experience with it, and we've already talked about this publicly on the podcast a few times. you from my one experience with it and we've already talked about this publicly on the podcast a few times when I live with Carissa Thompson my dear friend in Malibu and she was gone and I came home after a very early dinner watching some warriors hoops and I walked in and there was this fucking guy standing outside of her house waiting for her who lied and said that he was invited to stay there and the story slowly fell apart as I asked every single question. Um, and by the way, this piece of

shit listens to this podcast, you fuck. And you also posted my sister's home address and my father's cell phone number to fuck with me on Instagram. So I know who you are. Um, that's all true, but you know, I can't really do anything about it because you know, it's not know it's not it's not my fight um so i get it i mean it's it's the kind of thing it's like well if i if i totally go after this person does it start it all up again um maybe he's so scared now i mean i'm not gonna have a great answer for you here now other than i think your head is in the right place because it's ultimately you can't go around her back and be like hey actually this is all these are all these things i did and then now she's living i mean it just sucks man it's just a reminder you know whatever differences we have male female um that was a moment for me not that i was

oblivious to it but it was a reminder of like, you know, thank God I was here. Um, because if you're a woman, you're especially in my case, you know, a woman that's in the public spotlight, um, you know, you're just dealing with stuff that you don't even think about. Like you don't even, you don't even realize it sometimes as a guy, you just don't. So, I mean, it'd be great if you could talk to him. I don't know if you want to get involved with that. I don't know if you'd be able to restrain yourself. I don't know the size of this other guy or what his background is. It'd be maybe great if you could have Frank, who is the cop here, handle this in a non-cop way where there's a sit down where Frank, the cop, who's very close to your girlfriend, goes to Jerry and just says, hey, man, here's the deal. We've got you dead to rights.

How do you want to handle this? And hope that's enough to scare this guy. I think the good news in this is that once she called him and then he admitted to everything, you hope that's the wake-up call, right? You hope

that's the wake-up call. None of us can guarantee that. You don't know. Part of me just wishes like, yeah, you wish you could go after all these people and that would be the best way to handle it. But there's always kind of that fear. If you're willing to go this far, like this guy has been for years, or in my case, some guy that showed up to someone's house. like this guy has been for years, or in my case, some guy that showed up to someone's house. And, you know, we had the video evidence of him checking under plants and doormats and trying windows. It was all in the security cam before I even showed up to the house,

which was horrifying to watch the next day. Um, you know, there's, there's, there's fear there. So, um, at least, least you know who it is now. I think the cop, you know, as I'm talking this out, I think maybe the best thing would be to ask the cop if all of you guys are that close and he cares about your girlfriend enough. And you're like, is there any way you can just kind of talk to this guy and try to get where his head's at? But I mean, there's no guarantee with any of that stuff. So I don't think there's a perfect answer, but I think everything you've said here is the foundation of having like the right, you have enough common sense, like your heart's in the right place.

I think everything you've done to this point is spot on. I wish there was a great way to solve this without it. I mean, look, we could just all go meathead and be like, oh, just kick his ass. But you don't know what that's going to do. You don't. Maybe you get in trouble. Maybe it motivates the other person to want to fight back even more. You don't know the solution here, but if he's this scared that he admitted everything

once your girlfriend started talking about getting the police involved and that they'd be able to track this guy down, I'm hoping, and again, maybe that's false hope, but hoping that that would be enough to kind of shake him out of this pattern of being um a guy that's messing with people's lives what these stalkers don't realize is like oh again sometimes there's some mental health stuff with it too which is not absolving the blame but you know you you can absolutely ruin people's lives with your obsession with other people. And I don't know if people can understand what that's like, especially to be a female, to live in that kind of fear because of these kinds of incidents that I saw firsthand.

I don't know if there's really much to add to that. So if you guys want to lay out on that one, no problem. No, I think you summed it up well. I think it just, I think the overarching theme is, you know, it sucks that women have to go through this. And, you know, I think your answer about, you know, getting the cop involved probably makes the most sense. And maybe that scares this guy, Jerry, into just going away. But, you know, the other end of that spectrum is that it kind of sets him off too. So there's really no right answer. But whatever you do, she has to of that spectrum is that it kind of sets him off, too. So there's really no right answer.

But whatever you do, she has to be comfortable with it. That's the most important part. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. So. All right, that's that's the end of the podcast. This was a good one. So we'll be back on Friday with Danny Connell and we'll do some football stuff as well. Maybe a little NBA facts with this John Wall deal, which we did not get to today because I'm not sure what the hell's going to happen.

I always leave out like a little bit of percent of hope of a deal that nobody could see coming happening. But 91.7 million left on that deal. That's going to be a tough one to move. Another untradable contract that's about to be traded though, right? I feel like there are no untradable contracts. There really aren't there really are there really are but this one smells a little bit more like a bio but again i don't i don't have a ton of intel on this right now so hey thanks to stefan and uh stepping up for kyle i'll be back on friday and it's really please subscribe Thank you. you