The Ryen Russillo Podcast - The Colin Cowherd Interview at Ryen’s House!

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Russillo is joined by Colin Cowherd to learn more about his career path, where he thinks the industry is heading, and how much time he has left in his career (0:31). Then, Kyle and Ceruti join for Live Advice (79:57)! Is it OK to lie about how athletic I was in high school? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Colin Cowherd Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A special edition of the Ryan Russo podcast. My good friend Colin Cowherd at my house, cameras rolling, just two dudes shopping it up. A bunch of different directions we go with this one. So I hope you enjoy it. And an extended life advice with a couple follow-up emails as well. So enjoy.

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I've never done this before. So this is a big deal for all of us. So you guys put up a, so this is not a normal? No, like I'm an adult now. I have a living room. I can't have this. Now I'd say six years ago, I would have just left all this stuff here

and be ready to go. Vince Vaughn wants to come by, done. But now, you know, there's, there's accessories, aesthetics here, furniture. This is a highly furnished. I couldn't tell you the last time I did a podcast outside of the volume. I don't like to do them anymore.

But Ethan Strauss once a year, who's just such an eclectic funny guy. I think he's just such a unique guy. And- I don't see it. Yeah. Well, you know, and then you- I like Ethan. No, he sees the world differently and you're the ultimate grinder. In fact, I think, can I say this? Sure. Okay. It sounds like it's going to be a compliment. So go ahead. Yeah. You've established yourself. You don't need to watch the Washington wizards on Tuesday night anymore.

You need to go out to the 900, have a Pacifico and a, and a, and a, uh, some rice and, uh, you know, shrimp peel off. You work too hard. Nobody cares about the wizards. You work too hard. You outwork general managers. I guarantee you the next team playing the wizards. GM isn't watching the wizards. You break down more film than Rob Polinka.

All right. Well, look, I will tell you this because I actually did watch the wizards nuggets game last night. I know you did. Cause I missed it over the football weekend. I saw two minutes of it and I thought, Roscillo's taking notes for this. Well, you had to.

It was Jokic career high. It was fun to go back and watch it. It was also depressing if you're a Nuggets fan to watch them defensively get eaten up by the Wizards. Although Jordan Poole made just ridiculous shots great third quarter. Um, I'm going to say that, and this is, this is my, this is sort of a cowherd education is that I think

we all give advice that can be very like complimentary or confirmation of how we've done it. And I remember the first time this dawned on me and you were talking about how Joe Buck, remember Joe Buck caused a shit storm. Like this is again, this is easily over 10 years ago. This is just the herd is rock and you still have the posters with the cattle.

And, which I always kind of was like, that's a good, that's good branding. Um, Joe Buck caught all sorts of heat because he was like, I know I'm the number one baseball guy, but like, I'm not going to watch baseball every night. Right. You went on the air after he was catching on

the seat, like as if he owed it, right. It was his duty as the number one baseball voice nationally to be watching baseball constantly, even though I still think he was doing, I don't know if he was doing local games or not then, but he's like, I'm not gonna watch a Pirates game in my free time. And you were like, good, that's right.

I want my guys to have balance. I want them to have perspective. He goes, when I go out to LA, it's sushi and blow. Which I think you may have gotten in trouble for it. Cause you know, again, Mickey Mouse was on all of our checks frowned upon, but then I remember listening and we weren't friends then yet. And I was like, well, of course he's agreeing with that.

Cause he doesn't want to have to watch all of these games either. No, my perspective has always been, I used to have a therapist, Peter Lauderhaus, and he said one time, he said, we were talking about, I said, you know, sometimes I get stuff in my head. And he goes, well, it's only in your head if you allow it in your head.

And I remember leaving, it was like an hour and a half, two hour meeting, it was, it'd be beat you up, you know, you're like exhausted after it, you know? And I remember thinking, that's right. So why am I watching San Diego State BYU? Because if I have one lull, as I am just ad libbing through three hours, I'll go to a game I watched.

And so I became much more efficient that I watched what I was going to talk about, like Georgia, Texas, Penn State, Oregon. I wasn't going to do SMU Clemson. So I'll watch the YouTube highlights, which were awesome. Sean McDonough has always been underrated, but I watch what I'm going to talk about. And my feeling is what makes Joe Buck so good and the great ones good is not just following the action. It's the funny references, it's the timing.

And that doesn't come from watching games. That comes from going out, dating, having a wife, watching a crazy movie, listening to a podcast. The difference between the B plus guys in this industry and the A's are Al Michael's references that you feel like early letterman. Only I got that. And I think that's the difference between the really goods and the greats is the, it's timing. It's not voice. They all have a good voice. It's not knowledge. It's not the ability to follow the play. I think if you go look at your career and Bill's career, Bill's cultural relevance, not just his basketball,

shit, everybody's talking basketball, but Bill's cultural references are the icing to a really good cake and your life advice or your sense of humor or your admiration of me, frankly. It's the icing to a good cake. It took a while. There's a lot of cake. There's not a lot of icing with cake.

Are you saying I'd be a better podcast host if I watched less games than had a wife? What I'm saying is you have gotten buy-in from the audience. Nobody thinks Rossello doesn't do his homework. I'm worried about you as a human because you work harder than anybody. I have a guy in my staff that is you, Jason Tim. And I've told Jason, weekend off,

beautiful, beautiful girlfriend, fiance, they could be married now. Hey, you need to take a day off. You work really hard. So this is a friend telling you, I mean, it's like, we all know, Buster Olney's grinding it, right? That's a long season.

Like I always had this theory about Twitter when it started. Remember when Twitter started, if somebody, let's take a baseball writer, because that is a grind. That's the ultimate grind. I actually am offended on baseball writers' behest when the football media starts talking like August, like, oh, time to say goodbye to the family.

And you're like, what are you talking about? One game a week. What are you doing the rest of the days? I know you're gonna go down to the facility. I'm not saying it's easy, but if you heard of this sport called baseball, they start tossing it around in February. Count spring training to the last game of the facility. Like I'm not saying it's easy, but if you heard of this sport called baseball, they start tossing it around in February. Count spring training to the last game of the series.

So baseball, when Twitter first started, this is hard to believe. If you were a baseball writer and you're around the batting cage and the GM of the Tigers comes over at the time, Dave Dombrowski and gives you something and you write it down. Other baseball writers were offended if you didn't credit them because they had had that 12 minutes earlier. So my take was Verducci was the only smart one. I'm not following anybody. Jay Billis has done that. The idea that I would have to go to Twitter and go, okay, I've got a

scoop. Let me follow 800 local scribes to make sure. And that used to be a big deal with Twitter. Now everybody gets it. Like if Shams has it, Woj has it, they all have it within minutes. But I guess what was my point here at the beginning is, is there is value and Woj just illustrated it in extending your life. I told Bill this, when you get older, it's about quality of life.

Bill has the chops, you have the chops. Sometimes I don't think you give yourself credit for having the chops. That's, I'm not telling you this as a podcast host, I'm telling you this as a friend. You work really hard. Okay, a lot to go through there. I'm sorry people, listen, I see Ryan once a year.

Who do I, where am I looking? That's not true, we just saw each other at the gym the other day. It was an unbelievable start to the conversation. 21 Pump Street. You were like, what are we, yeah, 21 Pump Street. We're saw each other at the gym the other day. It was an unbelievable start to the conversation. 21 Pump Street. You were like, what are we? Yeah, 21 Pump Street. We're like, what are we doing today? And I was like, what are we doing today? I was like, I'm doing legs. Colin's like, we're doing legs. Clearly, I've never done them.

And then I was like, well, I'm using the squat rack. And you were like, I'll see you later. I think people that follow zero people sort of a hard-o move. So do I. Yeah. I think- Trying too hard. sort of a harto move. So why? Yeah, I think- Trying too hard. I don't follow anyone. I don't think Verducci's even on Twitter.

So let me just say, I don't even think he's on it. He may have been at some point. Yeah, Billis is and I don't think follows people. Doesn't mean I have a few friends that I think, but I think the Zero, I'm not gonna follow anybody. Yeah. All right, cool. You're awesome.

Number two, I think if you have like over 400,000 tweets, like there should be an extra exam you have to take when you renew your license or something. You know, like I think that there's, I personally think you start getting north of like that many hundreds of thousands of tweets. It's like, I talk for a living. There's nothing, there's no possible way I could

have that many opinions. Yeah. Um, I appreciate you saying that, but I think we've covered this before. Like my thing was very different. I didn't go to school for this. I didn't start in this. I was, you know, kind of a pretty lost kid for a

while, uh, generally disappointing. And, and even though I had finished school, I just was kind of like facing failure in a really, really scary way. And I think back to those times and thank God I felt that way. Thank God I hated the way that I felt. Thank God that I hated the, like, dude, you are going to be the loser.

You are going to be the loser of your friend group. That never goes away, by the way. Right, but it was happening so much later than it was. And one of the silliest things about comparing yourselves to your friends and everything like in your twenties is the like, hey, those guys are all gonna reinvent themselves a million different times,

but you don't know that when you're younger. And so once I had this chance, and I remember I was just somebody that was listening to Sports Talk Radio, even though I didn't really wanna be on the air, I wanted to work in a front office. I didn't care if I was gonna be on the air. No, you did, yeah.

I would listen, because I was so into it, right? I was so into what I was watching, because I was just a big fan, and honestly, I needed that escape. I needed the Red Sox every three hours, because I was pretty miserable most of the time. That was a little escape for me, but I was so locked in. So then when I'd heard the morning guys on say,

like local radio, where I could tell within two seconds that they went to bed early, because they had to get up. And I'd be like, it wasn't, you know, I'm in the truck going, it's not a two one slider. Like, you know, like, and I'm realizing like, you're so locked in. It's such a stupid like thing. But that's, that's, you're right. That is, I guess this is probably something I should say.

But I'm just, I need to finish the point though. Because then I felt like if you were given the opportunity to get one of those jobs, then you owe it to the audience to be on top of everything. But then you get older and you realize like, it was so cool. You're going to, you're going to know like, Oh no, BYU actually turned it over a ton in those games. Like in 2027, we look back on the season. It doesn't really matter.

Look, and by the way, the bigger picture thing is that was how I started. That's the ESPN stuff of feeling like I constantly was trying to prove myself in a way that I didn't feel like a lot of other people had too. So I was like, well, if I didn't play and I didn't do this and nobody thinks I'm good, then I have to just fucking know everything. And that's kind of like when I have a bad show,

I just go back to the drawing board and that's how I have to do it. And honestly, things have never been better for a bunch of different reasons than right now, but I appreciate your concern. By the way, you're basically LeBron, when he loses confidence in his jumper, he just goes to the rack like 12 straight times.

That's LeBron's whole career. Bill's a lot like LeBron now apparently. Who? Did you hear about that one? Well, oh, we did a live show in Denver and Simmons got up and started demonstrating some of the moves LeBron does. And he was like, it reminds me of in my forties and pick up hoops. And I was like, eh.

I was like, I don't know. But I think he knew. I think he kind of set me up for that one. That was an easy setup. Yeah, so I understand what you're saying, but I just also think that there's people out there that know the wizards better than I do. And I was like, you know, I haven't, I haven't watched a ton of wizards lately.

Again, pool had a great third quarter. Let's start with something like tougher rebuild the Raptors or the democratic party. It's really interesting. Oh, wait, you want to answer this? Yeah, I do. It, you know, it's interesting. So here's what I do after every election, every four years. And I do it after the midterms. I go to the losing teams network because winners all act the same way. Oh, I like this. Okay, well, actually I can't believe

I'm getting something out of this. All right, awesome. So winners all act the same way. Okay. Overconfident, have all the answers, condescending, snarky. Losers in sports and in politics grapple with the answers. And so it was infuriating as a guy who was socially left, fiscally moderate right. To watch MSNBC blame misogyny. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote race.

Obama had two terms would have been three. I told a buddy, I said, they don't have bathrooms at MSNBC clearly because nobody's looked in the mirror for two weeks. That was a good line I thought. Yeah, did you use that on the air? No, not that good. That was a-

You're just doing this, you're just downloading this all on my pod. I'm giving you all the fresh A material. Oh, good. So my take was, if a losing team can't decipher why they lost, they're in trouble. And James Carville since then, and Bill Maher simultaneously have said,

guys, look within, You've lost regular people, fringe groups, weirdos, high maintenance, needy people. Stop pandering and catering. Connect with like Iowa. And so my take is the Democrats have always seen themselves as sort of more curious and more intellectual than we own the colleges, right? And my take is, but the conservatives knew that podcasters now are Carson, Letterman, and Leno. Podcasts now are the late night shows. And those dumb old Republicans figured it out.

And the liberals were doing traditional media, which nobody trusts, and late night shows that nobody watches. Those dummies on the right went, let's go like Theo Vaughan and Joe Rogan. That's what all my friends listen to. I'm 60. People listen to Rosillo.

Nobody comes up to me and says, hey, last night, Fallon crushed. Nobody watches it. And so my takeaway is until the Democrats can figure out why did we lose, which to me, it's all connectivity, that's whoever wins it's usually the pen. By the way, the pendulum goes back and forth midterms, there'll be movement in the Senate for years. You know, you know how it works. But my takeaway in all this is when you lose, you have to first figure out why and I don't think the left is there yet. Wow.

That was actually really, really good. I remember when you, and it may have been a strategic, the contract is up, right? Cause when our contracts were up, or ESPN. What did I do? You were like, wow, you know, some political networks have reached out. What did I do? You were like, well, you know, some political networks have reached out. What did I say then?

I did, I interviewed with MSNBC. Would you have wanted to do that? No, still Griffith and Charlie Dickson, and I was interested. So I interviewed with Jeff Zucker at CNN. I was very interested. No kidding. Yeah, Larry King had,

Larry King had moved off and I told Jeff Tucker, Jeff Zucker and I had two meetings. The first one was great. Second one, I was out of ammo. I told you my story and I said, you can't do the interview anymore. There's like six people in the country for an interview. Now, this was pre-podcasting, but I said, television, I mean, Larry King, how many people can you interview and get a number? I broke down the show.

I said I would do six minutes of sort of Bill Maher. I would do two or three really smart, funny people. And I would end with a couple of pieces of funny video, 40 minutes content, 20 ad, I'm out. I said, this idea of an hour interview, you get down to Phyllis Diller at some point, you're out of people. And so I'm like, you just can't do it. And so, anyway, so I interviewed with Zucker and I really thought, really, really bright guy, asked a ton of questions. I remember he was going through, what happens when you're off a side of your face,

you have, it's almost a stroke. Bells palsy. He had bells palsy at the time. And I remember that he was like, he was laughing about it and he was being very self-deprecating about it. But I remember just thinking how sharp Jeff Zucker was. Just he had an answer for everything. And I'll tell you something that always, I think I've told you this privately. The most impressive thing with any management is if I ask you a question, whether the answer is right or wrong, you've thought about it. You have

a theory or a belief. I mean, Simmons theory or a belief. If I went to Bill and said, Bill, what do you make a blank blank blank blank in podcasting? Bill would have an idea. It doesn't have to be right, but it's respectful. He's thought about it. There's nothing worse than you ask a boss at one of these big companies, right? It's a good question. Yeah, that's not a good answer. So I think Zucker had an idea and a thought for every question I asked. And I was really impressed. Would you have wanted, like, if the number were even,

do you stay in sports? Because you look at the opportunity of, let's face it, I mean, the radio thing's going great, but- I filled in for Oldman once, and Condoleezza Rice on that show. I've had two opportunities to go to politics. My takeaway is it is a miserable life and even more repetitive than sports.

Every night I get a new game. Every night I get a new narrative. Now war breaks out, you're on it for a year and a half. I mean, you are on, like by the way, this healthcare, United Healthcare CEO that gets murdered. Fascinating. It wouldn't be after the 38 straight show. You and I get fresh games every night.

I mean, there'll be times- Deflategate, yeah, was kind of wore us out. I think all of us were like- Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Kaepernick story, you're like, okay, I've given it six weeks. Yeah, T-Bow. I don't wanna give it six months. T-Bow got old. But I thought to myself, I think it would wear me down

and I'm a happy guy and I like to laugh. And I like to, I like new shit. I like new stuff. Yeah. And boy, you get that. I remember Obermann complaining about this years ago. In one of his moves, he just said, you know, sports is fun.

And by the way, every time he's gone politics, he's moved back into sports, and then he goes back into politics. But sports is the toy department. Like we laugh a lot. There's surprises around every corner. You're not just pulling a story. I mean, think about it. There's three days every four years, I wish I was in politics the day before the election, the day after the election, the day after. But now I got four years until we have another, you know, federal election for the White House, two years to midterms. That's a lot of days to fill. That's a lot of topics to stretch out. And I think that's tedious and numbing. I know that I can be stubborn with sports because

kind of back to the original point, like if I'm building a theory or I'm coming to some kind of conclusion, despite knowing if you've watched this stuff long enough, like I've told the story a few times, but I remember like first starting in Boston, I'm on local radio, this is 20 years ago. And when you're young, you just, you're not, you haven't been wrong enough yet to realize you might be wrong about anything. Yeah, sure.

And I'm so like, define it's wrong. I have so much conviction in everything that I've come up with. And I run into Bob Ryan, who of course I love growing up reading him. And he was always like day one respectful. The thing about Bob Ryan that always blew me away. I was like, here's this guy decades, decades, decades.

And he can't wait for the game to start. Like he can't wait to watch NBA basketball and it's still there in a very pure way, which I remember even then being impressed going, well, I feel that way about games. If I end up doing it, you know, who knows? I don't even know that I'll ever do it as long as Bob Ryan does. But the point is, is I said something to him so sure of myself and he just looked at me like, maybe kind of just shrugged and walked away. And he wasn't dissing me. He just had been around long enough.

He had seen enough things. So when I think about the surprises that we're ready for, whether it's the college football playoff or NBA finals or whatever, I know that I can be a little stubborn because it took me a while to come to the point. It took me a while to come to the point. It took me a while, right? Sure. I think whenever I look at some of the moments where you realize like, oh, I have to change my mind here. I'm wrong about this. I don't know that any of us love doing it, but you can't never do it.

I think that's the thing where it feels like maybe as much as not on the table when you're talking sports for a living as it is politics, because I just never see anybody. Like when the pardon thing happened, I was like, Oh, I don't want to hear from you. You don't want to hear from me. I was like, you know what? If you've been tweeting about politics for like 10 straight years, I don't want to hear from either of you about this. I don't because I already know what you're going to say. There's nothing interesting about this anymore. And I'd still like to think despite my stubborn resume of certain basketball and football things, that you still have to surprise the audience a little bit.

And I think political coverage never surprises anyone anymore. No, and they don't admit they're wrong. I mean, listen, the left went heavy into defending Hunter Biden. Probably not a smart call, right? That was like a big thing. Like they died on a lot of, a lot of people died on that hill.

Hunter's had a lot of issues. Even Obama acknowledges the Biden- You look like him a little, you got that? Never heard that. I've never done meth. You did say that. Was that frowned upon? You're like, don't do meth.

I mean, that was a positive message on ESPN radio. That's how I viewed it. Don't do meth. Yeah, I mean, that was a positive message on ESPN radio. That's right. That's how I viewed it. Don't do math. Um, yeah, I mean, everybody dies on certain hills. Like there is climate change happening. Republicans like Phoenix had the worst weather ever. Um, and I went to Iceland with my son and it wasn't political. The glaciers are melting earlier than ever every year. I hiked them interstellar.

It's I went a couple of years ago. Is it great or what? My son and I, oh my God, I loved it. Did you look at real estatestellar. I went a couple of years ago. Is it great or what? Iceland? Oh my God, I loved it. Did you look at real estate? No. It's a quick flight from Minneapolis. I saw a two-bedder in Reykjavik though that was tasty.

Reykjavik's a little- Portland. A little slower than I thought it would be. It is. You take, like you walk down the main drag and then you turn left and it's back to the fishing village. And then you get the rainbow path to the church. You do the Western Fjords?

Yes. I did the whole thing. I drove around the entire thing eight days. Oh, that's too much. Yeah, Arctic Circle, first time. Wow. Pulled into town, I was like, am I gonna reach north of the Arctic Circle

if I go up the street? And she's like, yeah. Wow. Yeah. She's like, do you wanna buy anything? I was like, well, wow, we're here. Why don't we get some dried cod? I tried that, didn't love it. Didn't, worked out and I went to another village

and I joined the gym for two days. I expected just Icelandic beasts. And it was like, yeah, those guys that are in World's Strongest Man, but there's also regular people here, right? There are. Yeah. Did you think everybody looked like Sven?

I kind of wanted to, but I was afraid, like how, but I loved Iceland so much because. Same, would go back tomorrow, my son loved it. Absolutely, and it's a great driving vacation. Like I rented a nice car and just said, I'm gonna do it right. And you wanna stop every 10 minutes. And then you're like, well, eventually

you have to get to the next town. You have waterfalls as big as the space needle, a hundred yards off the road. And you just park and there, because there's something else, there's plenty of room. Like it's not, although the south eastern side, the black sand stuff and some of the pirate footage. That area was tough.

I couldn't find a hotel. Like after I hiked a glacier, I remember I was like, all right, well, I'm just going to skid a hotel. And the guy looked at me and he's like, there's not going to be, you're here. The busiest two weeks of the entire year, like half of Japan's here right now. So, and I drove all the way back to Reykjavik. It took me like 14 hours, but the sun, the sun never went down. So it was actually a nice little road trip.

Um, okay. Well, speaking of, of dying, have you given up on the idea that Ben Simmons is going to be better than LeBron? You know, that's one of those it was hard to move off of. You know, it was funny. Gottlieb said to me at the time, I said, I, I watched him and I at one point said, I'm like, dude, that guy is like magic, but like more athletic. And, and you know, Doug knows his hoops and Doug was like, yeah, is like magic, but like more athletic. And, and, you know, Doug knows his hoops and Doug was like, yeah, he may be the best prospect

since like LeBron. And so I was like, yeah, I mean, you guys, I mean, Doug's pretty good at that stuff. So I really bought into it. Hey, look, I never thought it was gonna be this. I mean, come on. Well, here's the thing. If you go back his first year, actually.

Oh, no. I mean, when he was a confident player, he impacted basketball. There's no question. I mean, the fact that Philly had both him and the guard from Washington, two guys that literally get their games, forget corrupted, their games disintegrated.

Yeah. Of Fultz. Yeah, Markel Fultz. They had literally, if you said, there's three guys in my life with a game disintegrated, Royce White, Fear of Flying, and those two Sixers. It's like, whoa. I mean, you would have, I mean, those guys over the course of a five year period, two guys that just couldn't shoot. Ainge is such a good GM. If I had the number three pick and he called and moved out of one,

and I was convinced I wanted to take Markel Foltz. That would make me rethink my entire strategy. And I remember, and look, I have the receipts for this one, but like watching Tatum that year as you got ready for the draft, because I was doing the draft for ESPN, I was like, how is, how is Tatum not, at least in the conversation for number one, to be in the size and the shooting stroke and the handle, and he's so young. And the Foltz thing was, there was a lot of NBA people when I was asking those questions are like, if you saw him at the under 19 or whatever, saw him at some of the international stuff, like forget Washington.

Cause I think even the Washington stuff was kind of debatable, at least in comparison to Tatum, but there was other international stuff that he'd been doing where the NBA people have been watching for a couple of years and they're like, this guy is nasty. But to your Sixers point to end up with two guys. So I called Mark few. All right. I can tell the story now.

Okay. Let's go on. Zagga played Washington. I said, what do you make of Fultz? This was before the pick. I said, you know, I'll trust your opinion. He goes, we played him. And I forget exactly what he said, but he said he disappeared in the blank half.

He goes second, probably. I think he goes, he he said he disappeared in the blank half. He goes- Second, probably? I think he goes, he goes, good first half, disappeared. He goes, I really was expecting more. And so Mark, and again, I can tell the story now, Mark wasn't banging on him. Mark was like, he's talented, but in our game, it kind of disappeared in the second half, I think he told me. And I really trust Mark implicitly. I mean, Mark, and I try never to bother him during seasons too much, but he's one of those people, I'll just, hey, what do you make of this?

They're playing Loyola just up the street. Let's go, I think it's January 12th. You and I go together. I would go. We'll just tank beers in the parking lobby, rowdy. I said I wanna go and he goes, the seating's not good up there, don't bother. I said, I can throw a baseball to it.

I can't believe I've been here this long and I haven't gone to a game of Loyola. I live right next to it now. Yeah, I might just park my car at your place. I'll probably Uber, I'll probably Uber knowing I'm hanging out with you. Playa is Manhattan Beach with no alcohol and great parking. What are you talking about, Noah?

There's like two epic dive bars up there. One day I docked up the boat and then just like, I'm stopping at Prince of Wales. Oh, I don't know that. I have to see, yeah. I was like, I have to see this first hand. Now where's your boat now? Marina Del Rey. Oh, that is.

You're two divorces away from being a cliche. A boat in Marina Del Rey? I know, I checked. You have a pocket full of Viagra? No, I checked so many like divorced boxes. I mean, it's ridiculous or like midlife crisis ones, but I feel like I already, whatever I went through in the first half of my 20s

will cover me for the rest of my life. That's a great place to dock a boat though. That's a beautiful area. Yeah, it's super easy. And there's all sorts of restaurants and whatever. And I. You know, you'd like to be there more. You know how it is, Colin. You like to be there more, but it's just really an exit strategy for me to just get better nautically. That was always kind of the goal. This is sort of the- Get better nautically.

Yeah, yeah. Because who knows? Podcasts from St. Bart's, why not Starlink? Shouldn't be a problem. Let's talk more about something that you said though, that I really like. And I think we even touched on this years ago when we were doing this, but you were mentioning like the late night hosts. And I don't know, this may be the least relatable part of the podcast, but I just think it's from an industry standpoint, really interesting. Because like, look, when we were at ESPN,

and you were in a much better position, I was totally understand it. I like to think I have some good self-awareness when it comes to like professionally certain things, but the point was always kind of like, Hey, we like you, but we could also put somebody on in your slot and it's because it's us, people are probably going to listen. And I know that that was the thing with me, you were more of an institution. So there was a danger and I still think that they'd probably admit they probably should have just figured out a way to keep you.

Um, but now because of this shift and some of the stuff you were talking about with the power of podcasts in comparison to like the late night stuff and like every now and then, like, maybe I shouldn't admit this, but I'll be like, what does that guy make? What do you make now doing late night stuff. And like every now and then, like maybe I should admit this, but I'll be like, what does that guy make? What do you make now doing late night TV? And there's still astronomical numbers, right? There's still huge numbers. And then I'll be like, okay, but what are the ratings?

And then you're like, man, that's, I mean. Well, comparison's the thief of joy. So I wouldn't do that. There are certain people that are grandfathered into, you know, like nothing against Kimmel. I think Jimmy's great. But, certain people that are grandfathered into, nothing against Kimmel, I think Jimmy's great, but if you told me he made 20 million a year or 25, I'd be like, yeah, probably. So, let me pivot to this.

I would say, I don't think like that. What I think is there are traits going forward. I'm just changing the whole goddamn question. There are traits going forward that are really valuable. And I think you have them and I have them. So when I look at late night hosts, that's the last, when you get that job, it's the last job. It's also a very hard job, kind of back to the everyday.

Much harder than people think. Like network execs are there with like microscopes and pliers every day on every word. And you're dealing with Hollywood people who you're not really interested in. So I have total respect for that. I mean, how many- Hey, I'm not knocking the salaries.

I'm just talking about the math. I don't think the math has caught up, or maybe it has. Like maybe you look at, you know, the Stephen A. Roomer number or the McAfee deal or knowing how Portnoy has done or how Bill has done. Like you're looking at these things going, okay, wow, these numbers are kind of taking off. And then you think, well, doesn't that math make way more sense? If you look at some of these products with these built-in audiences that aren't watching a station,

they're not listening to it on the radio, they're not turning on TV, they're looking at it and they're clicking a button specifically for that person. I think that's a value that I think we had started, you couldn't even theorize that that would exist. Like I'll be able to actually do this on my own. And when you look at some of the numbers kind of taken off and I look at this, the segment, the idea, and this isn't even a segment, I didn't ask this question to be like,

how come late night TV still makes so much money? But there's a lot of math. If you dug into it, you're like, is this, is this part of a greater transition? Yeah, I think it's dead. I think, you know, I think newspaper was dead 20 years ago. I think the athletic models still hemorrhages money for the New York times, but they did it because. But I love the athletic. So do I. I'm on it every day. Like I used to love reading the national. Len Pascarelli's got a new piece on dot com.

You know, whether it was more, whether it was Clayton, Stark, Kirchian, Buster, Chad Ford, all those guys. Like I couldn't wait to get my hands on that stuff. And now I'm like, is there that stuff? And like, again, I thank God the athletic, the college football coverage and everything. And I just, I wonder, like it's kind of your base. This is actually really good. Like everybody wants to fix baseball

right now, right? Right. Was there ever a way to fix newspapers? No, there wasn't, you know, this idea that, well, I don't think this helped, but people often said, well, they all lean left. That's not why it died. The bottom line is we live in an urgent, the phone changed a lot of things. And once I got the phone and I could get stuff immediately, it's the John Stewart piece on Comedy Central when he went to the New York Times and he opened up the paper and he said,

oh, that's two days old. It was the New York Times. And he kind of made fun of the fact that everything in this paper is a day old. And that's the problem. Now, if you want depth newspapers, you know, the Times, the top of the chart is always going to work. I mean, it's British Airways is always going to do fine. So was Emirates. So was the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and Southwest Airlines. Again, you got to find a slot in media and airlines and hotels, Mandarin or Hotel Six.

If you're in the middle, you're in big trouble. It's the same with media. Top of the food chain or the New York coast. It's funny, as I remember, like Will Kane, when I first started getting to know him, I was like, tell me, like, because he's immediately impressive. Yeah.

You just sit in a room and you're like, uh-oh, I think this guy's a good one. Smart, good-looking, thoughtful, funny guy. Yeah, full head of hair. I was like, god damn it, ESPN grabbed another one of these guys about the same age. He's definitely smarter than me. And I was like, what did you do before this?

He's like, you know, love Texas, love local community. I love, you know, I wanted to figure out a way. He's like, I just started buying ad rights to small town newspapers because everybody still read them. Yeah, they still do. Yeah, and I thought, is there, you know, I'm like, is there a lesson in there? I mean, it's not like you want to become a newspaper man,

but- You may be thinking, so I think eventually- No, it's your slotting thing that you were talking about. Like if you're up here, okay, but you can still be down here and still be doing well. I think the overall part of it, like when I think about all of this stuff, because I just think all of this stuff is moving so fast.

It is. And whenever anybody asks me like, hey, where do you think this is going? I'm like, I could lie to you. Like I could sit here and tell you a bunch of theories, but I don't know. I don't have an answer. I don't either.

I think I do believe that podcasts are the new late night hosts. I thought that was a fundamental mistake by one political party going to late night shows instead of podcasts. Podcasters will now make what late night hosts did. That's a shift. So that's a big, to me, that's a big shift.

I have a podcast company. So I think podcasting is in the fourth inning. I think it's just gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger. I just saw a story the other day where Lachlan Murdoch is thinking about buying stuff like Ben Shapiro or top podcasters. So I think the big shift for me is late night hosts don't have the cultural relevance

over the last three to five years, podcasts has replaced that. So to me, that's a clear move. But then I think we're in agreement, because I mean, this is sort of what I was laying out where I would look at some of these numbers going. Yes, so your point is the pay doesn't work, and my thing is-

I mean, I wasn't sitting here being like, oh my God, these guys are making too much. But it's shifting. I think the relevance is shifting. I think Rogan was the first one where you're like, wow. And then Dax Shepard, whoa. And I think increasingly you're gonna see, I mean, Shapiro could sell his company now

for 900 million to a billion dollars. No question, he doesn't want to. I don't, I can't. That's what I was told. I cannot challenge those numbers, I don't know. I think he could. So, um, yeah, I think we're, I think we're moving, you know, and I don't know if the audience is interested in this at all. I always had this theory that simplify everything because it's all very, uh, convoluted and confusing. I worry, I have a radio show. It's about two hours after commercials, maybe hour 50.

I try to give you five different angles on the stories everybody's talking about. And that's all I care about, all I care about. That radio became a simulcast, became a podcast network. It's just, but it all goes back to five rants a day trying to be captivating and interesting. And for you, it all comes down to your nights become your days, watching at night, breaking stuff down,

taking notes for stuff that only NBA GMs do become your day rants. And that's really your job. There's plenty of other media guys that are taking notes. But I think it's specific to you. You're very good at that. And not a lot of people put that time and you have a personality beyond just being, you know,

doing that. But I look at you as like- Sometimes I'll get a little box score heavy, but I appreciate you saying that. No, but I think, is that it all really comes down. I mean, there are about like one Elon Musk in the world that can have six companies operating.

But most of us, you can really simplify what we do. And the question is, I've described my show, my career this way. I'm imagine if you were an attorney, I get paid by the jury, the DA, the prosecuting attorney, the judge, and I charge the state of California to televise it. I just do one thing, but I get paid by six different entities. So, the question now becomes with podcasting is you do that. Will you get paid for the digital? The podcasting, will you catalog and archive it and eventually sell it like Carson's sold his tapes, which my mom gave me, I remember, as a birthday present. So the question be, how do you monetize

this certain simplicity multiple ways? It won't be doing more things because as the market gets wider, people who are established, you know, I complimented Jimmy Pataro the other day on my policy, I said, for years, it was, hey, let's create, let's create shows and they have chemistry. It's like, no, the market's too wide. Just go buy it inside the NBA. Go

buy Buck and Akeman. It solves your Monday night problem. I know. I'm with you. Like they're- The market's too wide. Shit, you and I are competing against TikTok, Netflix, IG. And so I think finally they have figured it out. And by the way, I'm seeing other people doing this. Amazon's figured it out. Let's get the NFL. Let's get the NBA.

It's Netflix. Like we're gonna do true crime. We're gonna do NFL on Christmas. We're gonna get a Tyson fight. This idea, when the market goes wider, Disney figured it out, Eiger, Avengers, no more niche films, Mission Impossible, John Wick, so I think that's what's happening to the world. Is it wider?

Well, that's exactly what happened to film. Yeah. That's exactly what happened to film, and it made sense when Disney was going through all that. Okay, so they're buying up Marvel, they're buying up Star Wars, and it's just, I mean, it's the same as signing Soto. It's like deciding that, okay, enough of this, Joe Buck and Troy's the same as signing Soto. You know, it's like deciding that,

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Do you consider yourself a sports elitist? What does that mean? What do you mean sport elitist? Well, I think you had a rant recently where you were like, good. I'm glad Soto's in New York. Yeah, totally. Like everybody else. It's not Fox's responsibility to worry about the raise.

That's major league baseball's problem. Once the regional networks died, the bottom eight team are triple A baseball teams. I cannot believe what baseball allows to happen at the bottom end. And I don't know if that's why it's a decline in the product nationally. There's like 18 major league teams and like 12 triple A teams with some major league players. Because I know that the argument is always, well, if we have a floor, we need a cap. And you're like, well, with some of these penalties, you've basically created a cap, other than the Dodgers, who then can defer a lot of this money.

And I don't know all the calculations of the baseball CBA the way I would know it like 20 years ago. But to have teams that just don't do anything and don't spend any money and they're playing major league baseball. But I don't really want to do like the baseball timeline thing with you. So go ahead, just cut me off and go where you were going. Okay. The 10th richest owner in baseball, Bob Nutting. The Mariners owners third, the Fishers used to own the giants,

sold it to buy the A's, tanked so they could move it to Vegas. Also the Polad family, twins, billionaires make choices. Okay, now the Dodgers and Yankees have 550 million plus revenue annually. I think the Yankees are at 675, the Dodgers at 580. Nobody's saying the pirates can get there. But Juan Soto is available to any billionaire. They all make choices. Six of the 10 richest owners, maybe it's five, are like Detroit, Mariners, twins. Do you think Juan Soto to the twins would fill the stadium? Absolutely. So my take is I don't want Joey

Votto or Joe Mauer hogging everything up. I wanna turn a baseball game on. I wanna see Betts batting second, Otani third, Freddie Freeman fourth. I'm not changing the channel. Max Muncie fifth or sixth. My take is Lindor, Soto, I'm watching. I believe that billionaires make bets

and there's a lot of different people, if they wanted to, like ask yourself this, the pod race have made a conscious decision, in a small market, we're gonna have Tatis, we're gonna be active at the trade deadline, we're gonna outbid people for Manny Machado, now they've drafted well, they have that rookie. Yeah, but they're honestly,

this is one of the most aggressive stretches of any professional sports team and what they've tried to do. In a small market. Right, but every year they're reinventing themselves and I actually have a ton of respect for them. I'm super into the Padres Dodgers in a way that I wouldn't. I loved baseball when I was younger, but being out here I just respect it way more. I mean LA fans are so much better than the East Coast people would think. Until you live out here you don't really understand way more. I mean, LA fans are so much better than the coast coast people would think. Until you live out here, you don't really understand it. So I guess my point is people complain about the

hierarchy in baseball. These guys could almost all, and I don't think Pittsburgh is ever going to have 400 million in revenue, but they would probably add 70 million in merchandise ticket sales parking with Wonsodo. So you'd pay for a salary. So I just don't, I don't have any sympathy for small market teams.

They're all owned by billionaires. You make choices, you make bets. You don't really care about the baseball team. The Fisher family was like, well, the Giants, go look at the Fisher family's history. I don't know a lot about the Fisher family. They're just loaded. After the show. Yeah, and it's now. I don't know a lot about the Fisher family. They're just loaded. After the show.

Yeah. And it's now, I think the Giants are now owned by the Templeton people, the funds, but it was like the Fisher family, they own the A's. They could have spent money. They didn't want to have a team in Oakland. Now that I podcast and I don't do radio, like you still do, three hours a day, five days a week,

how many years are we on with you right now? How many years, five days a week? A lot. Do you know the answer? It's over 20. I don't. Well, let's do the math. Well, local too? So no, count the last, when did you start local? Okay, I've been eight and a half to nine here.

11 ESPN is 20 and then six, seven, eight, almost 30 years. Five days a week. What are you like on the days where you wake up and you're like, I don't have it? It's like Nolan Ryan, I'll still throw a hundred, you'll just hit the shit out of it. Or I'll walk you.

Yeah, that's a good question. What do I do? Cause you're kind of not as somebody who's had the job and did it for 10 years and was on five days a week in Boston and then the filling gap years, but a good 10 year run. And now that I do this, I can't believe I did it. And I think the lesson is, is you, you're not allowed to wake up and say, I don't have it today.

Yeah, not really. I will say my employers are very gracious out of the football season. They will come to me and just say, hey bro, take a couple of days off. Like there's nothing going on. So they were, in fact, this past year, it was funny. I went to, I had, I don't remember when it was. I don't know. So I was sitting with a, some manager and I said, um, I said, Sean McVeigh killed the preseason by not playing any starters and going eight. No. I said, and that killed August.

I used to be like, it's slow, but I got stories. No, you could get, you used to be able to get some August numbers because of preseason football. Right. And like now, I mean, you know, people are still in the cars traveling and they're gonna have a- Now it's like, can he pick it? Four more rants. Like, I remember that year, I'm like, oh, August is dead.

So it used to be July, you took vacation and then you came back firing in August. And I was talking to one of the managers over there and I just said, I've never done this. I need about three weeks off. I said, this is going to be a Superbowl year for Fox. I need three years, three weeks off. And I went to watch Hill and I played golf every other day, 17 straight days of a cocktail. It was glorious.

Anne and I had so much fun and it was, and I was ready to go after that. But I do believe, um, going believe going forward, the calendar's changed. Football's going to extend and add another week. So football is going to now, it ends like February 9th, and then you and I talk about it two or three or four days, whatever we do. And then like, then you'll take a week off and then you have free agencies been moved up, March Madness. Football is now going to go to like the 19th and then you'll talk about it till the 27th and it's like, and then you'll have two weeks till free agency. So the front part of the year is getting better, the summer is getting drier. So the good news, which is fine actually,

I'd rather travel, but two things are helping. Let me throw this, I haven't talked. A, Caitlin Clark's a real story. I watch every number. I watch every minute of every show in the summer just to see what works, because almost nothing does. She moves a needle. Her and Angel Reese is a thing.

I did 15 Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark, and they were all, I loved doing all of them. They were fun. It was like bird magic. It was like, there's hate, there's animosity. It was like bird magic? Well, I mean, you magic? If one of them wasn't bird or magic. The point. The second thing, I believe baseball is going to have a Renaissance because unlike the NBA where the stars are in San Antonio, OKC, Minnesota, Denver,

the stars are all Yankees, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, Padres, and Braves. Like they're all in the perfect markets. If you could select markets, you'd be like, put them there. They are. And so I started noticing it last year. I tend to think, what is the public? I'm gonna go with what I feel.

I couldn't wait to watch the National League playoffs. I mean, I would go home, work out, go home, order. I was like, Padres, Dodgers, I can't wait for the games. I saw the numbers, I would go home, work out, go home, order. I was like, pod raise Dodgers. I can't wait for the games. I saw the numbers. I wasn't alone. So I think baseball has got a really cool thing going where they just got, I think it's the death of the regional networks. It's like coastal teams have more money.

Atlanta, Philly, New York, LA. I'm surprised the Giants haven't become more, haven't been more aggressive, San Diego is. But I think baseball's gonna have a run here and it's gonna last a while and there's gonna be a Renaissance and you saw it this year at Fox, the numbers were like, wow. Look, I love baseball obviously, you know, I've talked about my background on it.

I'm never gonna have the same relationship with it that I had 20 years ago, cause it kind of speaks to your time deal. Like I could not do, I could go the entire year and never do a baseball segment on any episode of the podcast and the podcast would be fine. So kind of where we started this whole thing is like, you have to start to figure out like,

I don't actually need to do this. Now, if there's a game on and it's a couple guys I wanna watch, like it's kind of fun to watch. It's like why I love the UFC, because I know I'm not super educated on it and I just sit there like a fan and I'm a couple of guys I want to watch. Like it's kind of fun to watch. It's like why I love the UFC. Cause I know I'm not super educated on it. And I just sit there like a fan and I'm not thinking of angles. I'm not thinking of takes. I'm not taking a woman to a UFC fight and loved it.

Oh wow. She was like, yeah, it's two even fighters. It's not a pit bull and a beach ball. It's like 280 pound guys kicking the crap out of each other. I love going to UFC. You ever taken a woman, what other, what would you say the other lady off the radar dating options would be for a guy

that's out there in the game, battling the battles? You're asking me? Yeah, well, I mean, you just asked, you said, I never had thought, I mean, like it's not like Vegas isn't a great couples weekend. What do people like you do? Like tonight, I go go out I go see my friend David Slay. I'll have one cocktail I'll do a little. Maybe two. No not on

game night. Not at a school night. No I don't. Used to. Can't anymore. I may go home and just smoke a cigar. Sometimes I do that. What about the in-season tournament? You're not gonna watch that. Is there a game a good game on tonight? There's two games tonight. What's the big one Tuesday? Let's build the schedule. Well because they had them mix up the start times for tonight because there's technically different time zones but the teams are in the same time zone. We're taping this in the reasonably early afternoon. Yeah Magic Buck starts in a few minutes and then we get Mavs Thunder two and a half hours after that. I'll watch Mavs Thunder.

Yeah. Well what if the what if something historic happens with the Bucks? It's The Black Buck starts in a few minutes and then we get Mavs Thunder two and a half hours after that. I'll watch Mavs Thunder, yeah. Well, what if something historic happens with the Bucks? It's called YouTube, I'll figure it out. We're going to Slated together, we're going to dinner. Oh, tonight? Yeah, we are, that was part of the plan is I'm gonna have you do this and then I'm gonna take you out to dinner.

That's very thoughtful. And we're gonna be really social. You said you didn't wanna go over an hour and my take is can't you do two and then just cut out the boring stuff? I would say one of the things that's different about me and other podcasters is I think radio people have this internal clock that is constantly clicking in their head and it's not so much like how many minutes I've gone, but knowing and I really think it's a skill.

I don't want to call it like Jason Kidd point guard stuff because I think you're born as Jason Kidd. Like you're just gonna see certain things a certain way. But I noticed that like, at least with me, the radio stuff when I'm doing a podcast or somebody else who has no radio background, I'll be like, this has been over. This has been over for five minutes. Not us right now, but I'll think of the topic

and we haven't gone to the next thing. And I'm like, it's over, it's been over. And I think people without the radio background don't necessarily always have that. Yeah, let me guess how long we've gone. 42 minutes. Wow. Eight minutes off.

Wow. No, that's pretty good. Lost my fastball. Well, maybe it was a ball. Just back to your Nolan Ryan thing. The, what were you talking? You just made me think of something and I lost it. No, that's what happens with gray hair.

You just lose stuff. What, how much longer do you have? An hour. I don't care. I could, this is your, this is my day. No, I meant professionally. Oh shit. 40 minutes.

Same thing now and forever. I got 40 minutes left. I think I probably I'll go, I have 10 really good years. 10 takes you to 70. Oh, no, no. I'm, I'm taking stuff right now. Like healthy stuff, brain stuff. Yeah. I'm not just talking Trident gum, brother. I'm going, I am. What kind of brain stuff are you on? Look at, I even drink this. This is all I drink now.

Oh, you're just a straight ginger boost kombucha guy? Yeah, like I now care about, you know. Digestive system's a lot better? Well, I just, I'm really into that stuff. I am not a neurotic guy except with what I drink and eat. I literally have, I'm so regimented, it's laughable. Okay, so here's what I would ask. I won't be doing just this though.

Things are going to look different. You think you're going to go 10 more years, five days a week. I think I'm going to do 10 more years of the grind. It probably won't look like this. It will be, it will manifest itself in other ways and other platforms. Not that I'm, you keep looking at me suspiciously, like can I just say something without it being a- Right, yeah, no, I know.

I'm giving you the business here and I feel- No, I don't mind the business. Well, look, I'm an interviewer first, friend second right now, so you know. I, okay, but I think this is actually a good transition is kind of the reason I would even ask that. I think that's a lot, but if anybody can do it, you can do it and you've already proven that you can.

Do you need it? Do you need to be on the air talking? No. Are you sure? Yes. When I took that three weeks off and I say this- But you knew you were going back to it. I did.

It wasn't gone. And I like golf. I don't live for it. But I have now, I used to feel guilty taking days off. I have all my vacation booked for next year. Like I have flights purchased. I know where I'm going. Like I really love hanging out with friends and Anne

and going, seeing the world. Like I could, I mean, I already know how it's gonna look. I'm gonna spend my, you know, certain time in London, a lot of time in Watch Hill, more of the East coast than people I think would, you know, when my career would suggest. I don't, it's not that I don't need to talk. I saw there was an artist named Chuck Close.

You ever heard of that name, Chuck Close? And he used to always say, the ego of the artist is, you believe that your art needs to be seen. There are days I'm driving to work thinking, this is a better take than anybody has. That's my ego. Now I may not have 12 of them, but that still exists in me. Like-

The math is impossible to have the 12 a day. Right, right. But there are days I absolutely believe, and you do probably too, watching a game, I'm spending time on this, I'm seeing something, I got a theory, I need to talk about this. And I think that's healthy. That's what keeps me going. The belief is, I think I've got a smarter take on this, and I need to get on the air and say it.

I may not have it every day, but I really, is I think I've got a smarter take on this. And I need to get on the air and say it. I may not have it every day, but I really, Philip Rivers once told me he liked the process more than the game. And I gotta be honest with you, the hour 40 process in the morning, the guys are funny. We've got funny people. I really enjoy it.

And I don't think if I didn't enjoy it, then it would be corrosive to the show. But I love walking into the morning and thinking it's a Wednesday and it's June. And I got one NBA playoff game and every day, hour and a half. And I'm like, that's funny. That's smart. That's different. You like walking through that door as much as you like being on the air. Oh, absolutely.

I love the architecture of the show. I love it. When Philip Rivers said that, I'm like, God, there's a lot of days I like to prep better than the show. And I think it's, I respect who I work with. I love, you know, the thing about the volume that I'm, I'm, I really naturally like. In my twenties, I was very selfish, almost bitter. Give me an example. If I thought somebody wasn't as good as me and they were on the air, I was very selfish, almost bitter. Give me an example.

If I thought somebody wasn't as good as me and they were on the air and I was in a town, Indianapolis, and I'm thinking, I'm making nothing. That guy's no good. How's that guy doing so-and-so? And he's the voice of this. That goes away? Yeah. And then I don't know what it is. Maybe it's kids, maybe it's, you know, your perspective change changes. I have no bitterness or animosity and I can spot it instantly. You don't have it when I see it from people. I really like seeing people kick ass.

Like I'll text people, I'm like, that was great. That was funny. And I think whenever that happened, where I'm genuinely happy, and maybe it does last forever, but like the coolest part about the volume is you find something and you're like, hey, let me call him.

He may have listened to me as a kid. And I remember calling like Danny Parkins. And I said, give me his number. Cause I knew it was a radio junkie and I call up. Hey Danny, this is Colin Coward and he just stopped talking. I'm like, Danny? He goes, why are you calling me? I said, hey, I want to hire you at the volume. I've got this thing. I don't think I can afford you.

So on, so on, so on, so on. I just said, I just think you're great. I think you're way better than I was at this age. You're great and I wanna hire you. I could not afford it. The radio station outbid me. And then FS1 came back a year later. Eric Schenck said, who do you think we should hire

as a new guy? And I said, there's a kid in Chicago. I tried to hire him. I couldn't afford him. When I went to Chicago, I made a point of listening to his show. I think he's really talented. I love that. It's like, you know what it's like being, I think you like this. It's like being a baseball scout and you go to Kalamazoo and you're like,

shit, there's nobody here. And you see Jeter and you're like, this is fricking cool. And you've always wanted to be an NBA GM. Kind of like that. Yeah, that was a while ago. I'm totally like, and, and a script writer. I don't have the talent to do either, but I would be an NFL GM and a script writer. I'm, that was a while ago. And by the way. I'm totally like. And a script writer.

I don't have the talent to do either, but I would be an NFL GM and a script writer. So I think there's a certain ideology or the way we see things. My dream job is to write a movie and be a GM. But this was an easier path. I would love you to be a GM just for the press conference. Yeah.

Because I don't know how you would play it. Like I blame Theo Epstein for this. I have about as much respect for Theo as I probably could have for anybody that has made a living in sports, considering, well, I'll fix the Red Sox, then I'll go fix the Cubs. Like, where's, who's on the other side of the first take desk going?

Actually, you know, like, I don't, you know, there's, there's like a few unimpeachable guys. And so when I think about Theo's whole deal was, it was just boring. He was going to be boring because he, that was his personality. And then every single new young kid that came up to run a baseball team, I felt like they were doing Theo impressions.

You, sir, you would not give us that, but I don baseball team, I felt like they were doing the impressions. You sir, you would not give us that, but I don't know. I don't know how you would be. I'm trying to think like, all right, so the team isn't doing well. All right, Colin, I'm, you know, from the daily bugle teams dropped eight to nine. Your second best player has hurt your best players tweeting emojis that may mean he wants to trade. Like how do you feel about the mental health of your basketball team right now?

I'm worried about the basketball health. I'm not a therapist. So I'm going to worry about the basketball health. I hire coaches. We have therapists who deal with that. I look at our economy. I look at my roster. I look at our injuries. It's a work in progress. I think to your question, I would be succinct. I would hold press conferences infrequently. I've thought about this.

Would you be a little Belichick-ish? No, because I don't like treating people like that. I would want to get along with people. Because part of it with Belichick, and you're not wrong about Bill with more and more success just was like, I don't need any of you people. And when he was challenged on his draft record, which was a completely fair thing to do, and then he was almost pissed that anyone would suggest

his draft record was bad. But there was part of Bill's approach that I respected that it was like, all of the white noise will not exist, all of the nonsense. It will not exist. Like it's just not going to exist here, but trying to like man, Jeannie, who you know, and it's funny because I only knew him through the public lens and I kind of didn't like him. And then I got to know him and he's turned it out like he's just so likable.

And he'll admit he was like, I was basically kind of trying to be somebody else in the beginning when he got the Jeff thing because he grew up under Belichick. So I think, I think, yeah, I know what you're saying though. Like you want to be like Brian Curtis called me. I don't need him, but he seemed like a nice guy. Brian Curtis from the ringer. Yeah. If he called him, but he seemed like a nice guy. Oh, Brian Curtis from The Ringer? Yeah, if he called me, it's not like- Highest approval rating.

Yeah, no, I'm not saying those, but if he called me, I'm like, oh, I need an article, but I would be gracious because I think he's an interesting, curious guy and really good at his job. So like to me, if I respected you and thought you were good, I would just treat you with that respect. I don't like Bill, I don't like- I know you're not saying you don't like Bill. You don't like the approach.

I don't like the approach. I just want to help you on that sentence. Because I know that you like him. You know, I think he's brilliant. And I think his family history is mom speaking seven languages. But I don't think, you know, there's the old cliche is it speaks well of a man if you treat people well that you don't need to. And I think I think sometimes Bill was a bully, and I didn't like that.

It would be funny though, I don't know if this North Carolina thing is real, I think he was almost campaigning for it the other day where I thought- Well, he met the chancellor for five hours. You don't meet anybody for five hours without talking about contracts. Five hours?

What imagine? Like, there's no way day one Bill with UNC would be the last or last season bill with New England. Like he would have to like you watch the early bill stuff. Well he has to sell himself. Yeah because players choose you. Right right. It would be it'd be kind of funny to see there would be a definite pivot although you know I don't know that it would be. I would go hire Lance Leopold. What are you doing with Belichick?

If you gave Lance Leopold that job. I would hire Belichick to be my head coach of an NFL team. I just wouldn't let them be the GM. We agree. That's right. I don't even know how that's debatable. I, I, I do think there'd be somebody I'm actually shocked that he doesn't have a job because I would have thought some owners like, Hey, you get to introduce

the greatest coach perhaps of all time to be your head coach, but you, you've, he's the draft thing. It's like, it's just hard to hand him the keys. Do you remember the mistake when McVean less need on draft day had had a couple pops. And so they were asked after like day two or day one, not before the draft. You mean after, no.

So it was at the end of day two. So day one and day two are in the books. Okay. And they were in the Malibu house or wherever, and they'd had a pop or two. And it was several hours after the media came in. And somebody asked him about this interior lineman New England drafted, and they inadvertently said, we thought he was going to be available in round three. And they laughed. Now McVeigh called Belichick to apologize.

But Bill basically drafted a guy around early. And so I called somebody in the NFL that I know, and I'm like, and he goes, yeah, that pick was not what New England should have done. I mean, Bill had the slowest receiving core in the league and drafted three interior linemen and two kickers. Like, he got really tone deaf. I mean, you and I, 10 years ago, were questioning it.

At the end, it was pathetic. Like he just- Well, I remember in the beginning, even questioning it and people couldn't believe it was almost as if, how dare you even question because we're talking about an impossible run for a franchise. So I'm surprised that we got on Belichick here, but here we are.

I'd imagine he's gonna be a head coach again. I can't imagine. I actually always thought after reading, I think it was the, uh, Haberstrand book about, you know, the relationship with he and his father. It was the education of a coach. Is that what it was called? It's really good. And I like reading about people that are successful. I like reading about their fathers, you know, the Saban book that was funny. Cause Saban, I asked him when he was in studio,

I was like, can I ask you about that book? He's like, well, you know, I didn't really have anything to do with it. I was like, I didn't really want him to write it. I was like, well, I gotta tell you, Nick, like it was really good. And it helped me understand you even more that it was kind of like nothing was ever good enough.

Nothing was ever good enough. I grew up kind of like, you know, a very blue collar deal, but I think they owned like a gas station or something. Like I don't want to get any of this stuff wrong. So I should probably just stop myself. No, I remember that. Right. And it made you appreciate Nick that he was almost fighting this ghost, right?

And Bill's thing was way different. I think Bill's father embracing him the way that he did. And just the fact that three generations get to live this football life. You know, you get to see like the version of life, I'm not actually choking up, I just need a glass of water. You get to see the version of life that people can execute. As I get older, I start thinking, you don't know this when you're younger, but you're like, man, there's actually all these amazing things that you can do. Now granted, we're talking about somebody very specific,

this line, coaching and all those things, but I was like, why wouldn't he just want to coach Navy? Be the head coach at Navy and be like, what an unbelievable final chapter. But competitively, I don't think he's ready for that. And he probably- I think that's going from the NFL to Navy is like a bridge too far.

Like that's Naval Academy is a different level of sacrifice, whereas Carolina, it feels a bridge too far. Like that's Naval Academy is a different level of sacrifice. Whereas Carolina, it feels a little like pros. They've got NIL, Transfer Portal, and you're in a major conference. You're recruiting, by the way, NFL athletes. But nobody's expecting you to win. Well, I mean, look, Navy had a nice year

until they ran into the gold teams. Army had a great year. Army had a good year. All right, you said something that I think was kind of funny off the GM detour that we took there. Creatively, are you totally satisfied? God, I don't think I ever would be. I think, you know, I started doing something on Sunday mornings.

I write a piece every week with a guy named Scott Holmes who I work with and I put them on just on Twitter on the Sunday mornings or like two minute little vignettes. And I'm working on something. I can announce it. I can tell you off this podcast, I have an executive producer role on a show an executive producer role on a show that I'm not writing, but chose with my friend, Eric Tannenbaum, a writer. So I also at dinner, I'm gonna pitch you something and you, I really am interested in your opinion on it. So I'm working on some writing projects right now. I think you know, when you do a three hour treadmill,

you get, I have to read so many periodicals. Three, when you do a three hour treadmill, you get, I have to read so many periodicals. Three hours? No, a three hour radio show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Three hour radio show. I was going to say on top of the radio show? No. So when you do a three hour radio show, you're just periodicals. I was like, I'm going to have to see some. The athletic. I'm going to have to see your ring. I don't get to read as many books as I want. I don't get to do as much writing as I want. Sure. And so that's why I'm doing these little Sunday sermons.

That's why I'm doing this project with my friend, Eric Tannenbaum, where we found a really gifted writer, is that I need an outlet because it is a treadmill and I don't wanna live my life just on a treadmill. So yeah. Right, but I know that there was like even a Colin based show going back. Wasn't Rob Riggle going to play you? Was that the plan? We pitched it to Les Moonves and they took

a show that actually did very well with two young women that did pretty well at sustained for about five, six years. Two broke girls? Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, that one did all right. Yeah, yeah. So that beat us out. We tried to get Will Arnett, we couldn't. Oh, that would have been good. Yeah, so we tried to get Will Arnett and he was busy and then we tried to get Greg Kinnear and he had a project. So it was actually, it was an interesting pitch.

This is about the NFL and the Patriarch dies, his son takes over, and the sisters are smarter than the son, and the dad was really close to the son, and the sisters legally find a way to wiggle themselves into the power structure of the NFL team. And they hire a very interesting general manager, which I won't give it away. But, um, we went there and couldn't finalize the deal. Um, so I guess you're to your point is. I think you like the adventure of maybe it happens, which you have to understand when you try to get into this stuff.

Like in the six years that I've been here pursuing it, when I got off the plane, like we already had a deal with a production company and I thought like, man, I'm just that good. Like I've got it and it's like, nope, this is how it really works. It's like you're closer, closer, close. And then I'll have days where I'm like, what's the point?

What's the, you know how much easier your life would be if you didn't want to do any of this stuff? And I just can't imagine like in downtime, Like, what's the point? What's the, you know how much easier your life would be if you didn't want to do any of this stuff? Right. And I'm, I just can't imagine like in downtime, not wanting to do something else. I'm the same way. Like I like my leisure time and I try to find it when I can, but if there's not something else

that I'm working on, like in the back of my mind. Well think about your life. Think about, think, I think about this all the time. I can get Matthew this way. So everybody in this room, 24 hours, I sleep six and a half an hour for eating. I'm a fast. This is down a little Navy sealish, but let's go. Our 15 for working out.

Um, I give myself about an hour a day of music or podcast listening. Just thought three hours of work an hour before and an hour after, prep and then drive home. Whatever those hours added up to, you got about seven more and I'm not a social animal. So the point is when you say, well, I got this thing on the side, not really. I mean, if you're reasonably time efficient, you have room for projects. Like you sitting right every day, like you should, you're too smart not to be doing something. And you start breaking down your life

and even throwing in an extra hour here, hour here, you're like, yeah, I'm at 17 hours. So to me, I like to stay busy. So a lot of times I'll go out, smoke a cigar on the deck, take a notepad and I'll just write whatever comes to my mind. It can be a funny line, a funny rant, a podcast thought. A lot of times I'll go out, smoke a cigar on the deck, take a notepad and I'll just write whatever comes to my mind. It can be a funny line, a funny rant, a podcast thought. I can't just look at plants and smoke a cigar.

Like I think people have more time than they think. If you really break it down. Yeah, well, I don't think I'm a good comp because I don't have kids running around. And if I had kids, some of the stuff that I try to do, I'm like, okay, this is why like you have to, I almost owe it to myself without having kids. I mean, like if you're not going to have kids and then you're not going to do anything else, like what's the point? Um, look, I want to finish

here because I do mean this and I mean it sincerely is that you and I have known each other a long time. I think it was cool that it wasn't like immediately hitting it off. Again, that's my Massachusetts thing. Um, And then we become, you know, somebody I can trust, somebody I can talk to. We don't have a lot of people in the business that we can talk to. That really ended like you can love your wife, you can talk to somebody in your family, but it's just, there's not a long list of people. And I would say this because I think we both know who the good guys are. We know who the bad guys are and you are, and have always been one of the good guys. And you actually want other people to win and you root for other people that are the

right people to root for. And you know, look, we're not inducting either the lifetime achievement award here, but I always wanted to say that to you because I don't know that I ever have. So thanks, man. Oh, that's a nice thing. That's a great thing to say. No, it's a, I feel, I said this to somebody the other day. I'm like, I may have been J-Mac. I looked at him before the show

and I'm like, it was like last Monday. I'm like, we get to sit and talk about that crazy ass weekend. I'm like, and I just told him, never forget how lucky we are. I would have just, if I would have ran into a guy at Starbucks, I would have said, Hey, let's talk Georgia, Texas. I want to get this. I feel I'm so grateful. And maybe in my twenties and thirties, I thought it was like, Oh, to me. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like I'm like, now I'm like TV finally figured out the only interesting thing is sports. And then we have streamers and that we have a lot of interesting stuff and we all like it, but like I used to be-

And scripted TV shows. Scripted TV shows. But it's like, I feel like I drive to work and it's just like, I'm gonna create a funny segment and a funny line and I work with smart people. I feel so lucky, you know? I know it's cringey and- No, it isn't cringey though,

cause I don't think you can get there. And I don't know who in their 20 or thirties would be that appreciative. You're right. Yeah. I don't, I'm not even blaming anybody. Like if you're cutting the line in a good way and you're just so talented and you already, you know, you're not worrying about money the way that, you know, I'm sure you and I were worrying about money for a really long time when you get started in this whole thing,

because I do think that the path to success can be so much quicker now, which is kind of good. Like I think in the beginning, maybe older guys have resented a little bit. And you're like, you're already asking for this, you're already doing this. And now when I see younger people just kind of crush it.

I'm like, that's great. How would you have done with TikTok, IG and YouTube? Like I tell people all the time, I'm like, you know how lucky you are? Like we didn't have those. Like if you're talented, I've literally hired people off X, I'm like, she's funny, we gotta go hire her. Like it's amazing now,

like there's all these virtual and digital resumes. It's amazing to me. Like I scour stuff all the time and I'm like, oh, that's really good. And I put- How did you get your first on-air job? Because we, again, we're not the same age,

but from the first yes for when we got started, it can build resentment to a younger generation and be like, you know how hard it is to get the first person to say, I will pay you to be on the air and talk and be seen. And I'm going to have that leap of faith in you despite the other thousands of options that I have. Where now you're like, I can just turn my phone around

and now my content's out there. And I can, it was a bit like the writer, the daily baseball guy on the grind, doing the gamers, doing the team notes, 162 for 162, and then somebody starts up like a pretty good fan perspective blog, and there'd be an immediate resentment when that blog would all of a sudden get credentialed. And all of us just had to get over ourselves being like, hey, the dues are going to be paid in entirely different ways now. So like you can sit around and waste time being pissed about this or just move the fuck on.

Yeah. Yeah. My first job, I basically. Like, how did you get it? I got a job. I went to the baseball winter meetings. I called the Seattle Mariners announcer, Dave Niehaus, and a young guy named Rick Riz. Did you study it in college, broadcasting? Yeah, broadcasting.

Okay, so did you have a school resume tape? Yeah, because I just did, I was on air on K89 and I had a bunch of tapes and they weren't very good, but I had them. Then I would go to a Mariners game and take a cassette and go upstairs. I had like eight credits to go at Eastern Washington. I called the Mariners announcers. They said, go to the baseball winter meetings. Peter Ubroth was the commissioner.

I drove down, I'm telling you, scary. Drove down, no money, $800 in my pocket, stayed in the Circle 8 motel chain, went to the meetings and there were like four jobs and 400 guys. I interviewed with Larry Kentop and Don Logan and had a line of BS. I just said, I'll do sales, sales, sales. If you just give me one inning, I'll play by play. They're like, yeah, yeah, sure. Then I got in there and I did better than I thought and they give me one inning of play by play and they're like, yeah, sure. And then I got in there and I did better than I thought. And they gave me an inning of play by

play and it became, and then next week I got an inning and then the next week. And luckily a guy named Hank Tester, who was a reporter, was a baseball fan and listened. And he said, hey, why don't you come over and try to get it? I think you're really talented guy. Why don't you come over to our TV station and do an internship? We don't love our weekend sports guy. And so I said, okay. And then I called and then luck has it, I ran into the sports director at an ice cream shop on Sahara. It used to be an ice cream shop

next to this restaurant called Ellis Island with this fake Statue of Liberty. Anybody in Vegas knows exactly what I'm talking about. And I ran into Scott Reynolds was his name. He's now an anchor in like Louisville, gracious, smart, looked like a local anchor guys, chiseled guy and really gracious. He taught me how to edit.

It was like a mentor and he didn't love the weekend guy. So he put me on, that's a sweaty mess. And there you go. And then it was, and I was raw and doing a bad Bob Cost doing a bad Bob Costas, but it just worked. And, um, you know, total, and I was just lucky. I, I had either mentors or very patient people. And I, you know, it was like you, people would view it as off-putting, but I think you and I both had self-belief that can be viewed as a little confrontational. I actually liked that, but I, I was a little confrontational and like, I think I'm good and probably a little confrontational. I actually liked that. Totally. But I was a little confrontational and like,

I think I'm good and probably a little much for people, but it didn't turn off the right people. And the truth is, when you're willing to work 60 hours a week. For nothing. People will basically say, yeah, he's obnoxious, but you know, he's a hustler and he's getting better.

And I think both of us, we could probably go back and look at that story. It's funny, cause I started in play-by-play too. I wasn't very good. Were you good? No, not really, no. Did you want to stay in play-by-play or were you like, hey, get me on TV?

You know, my dream was play-by-play. And then I started listening. There was a guy in our league named Ken Korak, who's been the voice of the A's forever. Ken's really good. And I remember all these names cause I used to have to read their credits when I was doing baseball highlights on game night, like 18 years and like, I work

with enough really good guys and I heard enough and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be doing the fifth inning of like an Astros game. That's the top. Like I identified myself pretty quickly as, but I do think I'm a good storyteller. I think I have a sense of humor and I really opinionated and there was no sports talk radio. So I knew that I could work. I just didn't know what platform or how,

but I thought it would work. And I was hostler. And then HBO, a producer named Frank Belmont, watched me on local TV in Vegas. And he said, I need an English speaking overseas feed on all these fights. I have Lampley for the American version. And he goes, have you ever done boxing? And I'm like, no. He's like, I'm going to give you a fight. And I ended up doing like four Roy Jones fights and a couple of big fights. And that I will acknowledge. I was better than I thought I would be. I'm actually really proud of how good I was.

Do you have those? I don't and there's probably 15 and I will tell you, I was an okay sports anchor at best. I've done well in radio, not a great writer, not great at a lot, but in boxing, I'd listen to my tapes and I was like, I don't know what's happening here, but I'm okay. So there's no, do any of those exist?

Frank Bellman, I'm sure had one, but I remember. You gotta play one of those on the show. 30 years in the business. I don't know where they want. He was a wonderful man. We need a 30 year. When you're coming up on it, we need to celebrate. We need to make shirts.

We need to get those boxing tapes. Merch. And just think, 10 more years to go and you'll be done. Isn't that crazy? It'll look different, but look at your career. Look how different it is now. Yeah, I mean, I needed, I don't like to use the tech term disruption, but I wasn't even thinking of the term disruption

when I was doing what I was doing. You moved to what was available. I needed to disrupt whatever it was I was doing. And I probably need to do it every 10 to 15 years. Yeah, I feel the same way. I needed something different. And now we're neighbors. Look, let's go eat some dinner.

Let's have a cocktail. I will tape the NBA game. I will watch it later to show you how well-rounded I can be socially. So let's do it. All right, buddy. You want details? Fine.

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We have Life Advice, we have Kyle, we have Steve, we have Wargon mic'd up here. I think there are a couple cleanup items maybe before we get to the emails. I guess the cliffhanger was the Wargon tattoo situation. So Wargon is dialed in and ready to go. Kind of take it wherever you want. I just trust your instincts more than ever before,

so go for it. What a mistake. I don't know, I feel like there was a lot of talk about like lion tattoos being bad. I got a lion tattoo. No. I didn't know it was a lion. No.

I don't know what to say, man. Is it a friendly lion? No, this is an aggressive lion. It's a lion king tattoo, so it's very friendly. Oh man, so it's, okay. So you really liked the movie. Very on brand for me, yeah. Mufasa or Simba?

It's like... Don't tell me Scar. No, it's kind of like, you know the painting? Oh, yes. Yeah, it's like a watercolor tattoo of that, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, okay.

You just a big Disney guy. So a faceless lion then. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Okay. You just big Disney guys So faceless lion then faceless All right, it's like more art than anything else. I guess. Yeah. Yeah, let's go with that up to you Yeah, are they looking out over on the the horizon is that I don't know what it is Did you take a shirt off for us? No. Oh.

Oh boy. Okay. Yeah. That is. That's like right there. Yeah. There's a lot of, a lot of real estate for Lion King. Yeah, that's a big one.

Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah, so go ahead. I think the backstory would be awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Saruti's instincts for right on that as well. Basically it was like growing up, me and my mom and my brother would play like a Sega Lion King game.

That game was awesome. Yeah, and so it's like the extra life and like the save icon is what they are. Wait, I thought you couldn't save in that. Oh, that was a Game Boy Lion King game. It's not a save, it's like if you died, you would go back to that point. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So it's basically those two icons, so what I got.

That game was sneaky hard. It's tough. Yeah. And Aladdin. Aladdin was good, too. Yeah. Yeah. Do you still like the tattoo? Yeah. Nice. I'm saying that, too. Good for you. Yeah, no plans to get. Nice. I'm saying that too. Good for you.

Yeah, no plans to get it anymore. I'm still saying that about Mike. Good for you. Not a full lion king sleeve though. Not with a sleeve. That tattoo's huge. It's big. That was a big one. Can't say with a shirt on that, which is nice.

Is that Garfield on the shirt there? No, it's like an Ed Sheeran tour shirt. Big Ed Sheeran guy. Blowing people's minds. Would Garfield's have been a better answer? Totally. Who doesn't like at cheering? A lot of people do, I guess.

But yeah, the tattoos, I'm just freaked out by the tattoo because it's massive. Yeah, it's big. There's so much color to it. And I was wrong, I was totally wrong. But you know what? I think we're learning more about Wargon throughout this entire experience where you can't make assumptions, you can't.

I think he's a non-assumption guy. Yeah, we assumed there was no tattoos. We assumed he wasn't a big theater guy. And he was like, are you talking about, am I gonna see Wicked again? Yeah, probably, the answer is yes. I thought, okay. Speaking of performance, the Markle thing made the rounds because I said it on Bill's Live Pod

because we were talking about Blake Lively and I just felt like to the live audience. It's funny though, it's just always a lesson there. I knew the Van Gundy part of the story would be funny because I hadn't told that part and I don't think you'd care by the way, but, um, you know, the live audience, you can feel that they're enjoying the story or whatever. And then once page six picked it up, it was, it was all over. And for people that have listened, like I've told the story. I, I feel like it's pretty straightforward. But then it turned into a page six thing, um, which is just always a nice reminder,

like where you are when they don't use your name in the headline. They didn't even use Spotify. They just like ESPN, ESPN host. And then the funny thing is it got community noted. Community notes totally on my side. To give credit. Yeah, but no, they were just like, he never asked her out. He simply asked her if she wanted to come on his radio show to promote suits, which

she declined. So about that photo you posted, did you have the options to buy the rights to that? And you were like, I'm not a sucker or is that just all you could find with the watermark on it? With YouTube, chatted up? About the Getty? Yeah, up. About the Getty. Yeah, it wasn't even Getty. It was like a lesser firm, whatever it was.

Yeah, there's a picture of us talking while we're in between plays or something like that. I just thought it would be funny. I just thought it would be funny to put to the page six thing. And that was simply it. But this story has lived on far too long for how insignificant it actually is. Although we had some emails saying

that it was actually a lead story. Lead story's not accurate. It couldn't have been a lead story, but in Australia it made the news. I love that somebody in her life is just like, hey, do you remember a guy named Ryan Rosillo? She's like, no. She's like, well, nevermind that don't read it.

It's fine. I can't imagine. I don't know. There's a lot. She has a lot going on, but you just wonder if there's still no on the PR team that goes, did you see this thing that popped up and she is going, what I worry about this? Yeah.

What is this? Do we have to put out some, some denials here? No, they don't, they don't have to because I think the story was, was pretty straightforward. So anyway, I think, I think for people that had never heard it before, it's funny, but I think there's people that have been listening for a long time that would be like this again.

I mean, it's kind of how I felt. All right. Let's see here. Let's do a tattoo lawyer follow-up because I thought this was really good. 56, six, seven, 255. No real gym stats by Walker Cardio. Do push-ups and light weights at home.

NBA comp is a guy you'd think would be good because of his size, but isn't. I feel the lot of so you play ball questions, sigh. Yeah, six, seven, 255, you're gonna get that. In follow-up to the football guys, yeah. Six, seven, two 55. You're going to get that. Uh, in follow up to the football guys getting out of law school wants a sleeve. I've been a trial lawyer for nearly 30 years, several years ago, during multiple sessions, I got a back piece that takes about two thirds of the surface area of my back. There's a tiny part that peaks up at the center of the nape of my neck.

If you look carefully, um, I'm wearing a tee shirt. Nothing shows if I'm wearing a dress shirt. I would tell our guy, unless you intend on office only practice, you're going to want to keep tats out of sight for work purposes. If you're going to go to court, be advised, there are still some judges that are old school conservative types who will look askance at your ink. No matter how smart your arguments you're making in your case otherwise are, the last thing you want to do is compromise your client's case by exercising your right to make a statement with ink on your arms and give the court a reason to take you less than 100% seriously. I like the

idea of being in court knowing that my back is covered in tats, but that no one and certainly not the judge has any idea. My tats are for me not to stick in anyone else's face and my first duty is to my client. So I can't screw that up by showing off ink to the wrong judge. Just my two cents. Love the show. Thank you. I think he kind of nails it there. Right?

If you're going to be a trial lawyer. Yeah. If you're going to be a trial or maybe don't have the thing creeping up to the back of your ear from like your back piece. Like I got it a trial lawyer. Yeah, if you're going to be a trial lawyer, maybe don't have the thing creeping up to the back of your ear from like your back piece. Like, I got it. Makes sense. Yeah, but I mean, that's like a really, I don't know, I just really like his way, maybe him being older. Right. It was less about firms. It's more about the judge who's like, is the person who runs shit and you, it's kind of a roll of the dice who you get.

And he's like, there's still, you can still roll that number where that guy's like, Oh, I hate this tattoo guy. It's just how it is now. Yeah. This is the classic, like you're free to do whatever you want in life and whatever legally, but like people are going to look at you and judge you different ways based on the things that you do or the stuff that you put in your body.

So like being self-aware about that is important. Like cool, and if you want to get a face tap, great, by all means, but like it's probably gonna hurt parts of your life, you know? I don't know, it's probably gonna, people are gonna ask about it. Yeah, right. Is that the one with all the shit in her face?

Right, which Kelly are you talking about? Spiderwebs, tattoo Kelly or regular guy. Speaking of crazy back tats. Uh, the Affleck one is always the one that just blows my mind. That one. Yeah, that's nuts. That woke some dudes up. I'm still not even sure. Like what was the decision process in that it's, it takes up his entire,

it's colorful, his entire back. And he also doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would have that. Just take a look at it. He doesn't, but I don't. I mean, you want to talk about non-assumption guy, you know, I, I, I love them. Like I just, I love them now. I don't know that I've ever liked them more. I'm a fan.

That's a weird tattoo. Why? Had you not seen it before? No, I have. I just, I guess I never really That's a weird one. That's a weird tattoo. Why, had you not seen it before? No, I have. I just, I guess I never really zoomed in on it. Cause I mean, the part of the funny part of that picture is that he's like standing, like looking, looking like the, you know, Ben Affleck does sometimes.

Just like, I don't know if it's defeated or what. Yeah. It's so good. Like that's, that wasn't the headline of the photo for me. It was just his kind of foot stance in the whole thing. It was just like, man, I guess I've been there too. So I guess I never really zoomed in other than that.

I think that's on some form though. Like the cigarette photo, that's good for him. Right, if you're self warm enough, then everybody just kind of catches up. All right, 59, 175, no special gym stats. This guy's asking if 41 is too old for Tinder. Former high school all-conference, second baseman, and now lift in my basement, free weights, lightweight.

Heavy reps, sauna to sweat, no cold plunge, just a cold shower, basketball comp, Ohio State Aaron Kraft. Loved Aaron Kraft, pesky defender everyone loves playing with and hates playing against. Yes, I play defense and pickup. I live in a small town in the Midwest and my dating options are limited to say the least. I've been divorced for over six years.

Nothing nefarious at the end. We were just different people, grew apart. She's seven years younger than me. I follow that up with a four year relationship with an even younger woman, 15 years younger than me. I hesitate to use any app to find a comparison. I'm old school. He said, well, striking out.

Anyway, I focused on my career, but since I am contemplating a shift in strategy, my two brothers have cautioned me against it. They're both married with kids and given up all hope in life. Oh, I recall Rossello dabbling on Raya. Um, not accurate. I talked about being, no, I was invited by a guy to join it and he was, he was selling me on how amazing it was and I still never did it. Raya's kind of crazy though because there's the definition of famous, like I thought it was just like for famous people, it's kind of not, like it just, it is, I think, yeah, it's just like if you have some money and you want to, I don't know, be, have that sort of like cool prestige about you, I guess, I

don't know, it was, it's very weird. Yeah. I remember a guy got busted on it very early. Um, because I was, I was just friends with both parties and I think his argument was, well, no, they had just sent me the beta. I was, I was helping him out. Like this episode. It was an app development.

Yeah. It was a beta test, which isn't an unbelievable excuse. I actually, now that I think about it again, I kind of respect it. Um, what's, what do you mean? I kind of respect it. I have no clue where it's. What do you mean? You think? You.

Why are you in Cancun though? In the pic, did you have to upload a picture? Yeah, it's just testing the beta, the pixels, just impressions amazing. I have no clue where to start or even if I should get on another app. Any thoughts? Appreciate it.

Love the pod. Would love to join Kyle for a heater if he makes it near Chicago. Okay. That's from Bob who changed his name. I'm just telling you as you get older, you should just have less apprehension about all this stuff. Like think of all the things you're still going to do wrong. Like sometimes I think navigating life, you're led to this belief that you're just going to not make mistakes.

Right. And I think the gravity of the mistakes, it would be nice if the gravity lesson and you stopped making mistakes because you've learned your lesson and all these different things. But I mean, if you go on Tinder and it doesn't work as a 41 year old guy, then cool, you'll have had this six month experience on Tinder where it didn't work. And then what happens now? What's the problem?

There, there is no problem. I think people need to have, I don't know if apprehension is the right word. Maybe it is, um, about all this stuff. Like I just, you know, it's really up to you. If you're lonely, if you don't feel like you have many options and you're kind of going through this extended period of time where you need some change for yourself, like what's wrong? Your brothers who are married, giving you a hard time, like who cares?

They're still going to be your brothers and maybe they're right. Or maybe you like, how about this part? Maybe we even think that there's a chance that a positive ending where you do meet somebody that you like, and it seems like you like to trend a little bit younger here. So, you know, it, it might be a fit for you. So I think this is a very innocent approach. It's, it's part of, you know, I actually think you're kind of young to even be that worried about it, to be honest with you.

So, you know, it's, it's one thing to tell your brothers or your friends be like, Hey, I'm on Tinder as opposed to being like, well, there's this. Twitch streamer with huge cans and I sent her a humidifier from her Amazon list. So we'll see how that goes. You know, like this is, I'm in favor of, of people doing this for themselves. You know, it was on her wish list. I, you know, right.

Yeah, sure. It's pretty practical here. Somebody else isn't going to get her. You know, it was on her wish list. I can, right? Yeah, sure. Practical here. Somebody else isn't going to get her. I think if 50 is a new 40, that means 40 is a new 30. 30 is fine for Tinder. That's okay. I think if you want to find younger women, Tinder is probably the pool to be swimming

in. That's okay. I think if he doesn't want people in his town, his small town to know he on tinder. Yeah, there you go. You got to consider what's important to you It's not sad that you're doing it But if you don't want this, you know, however many people that are in this maybe 2,000 person town. I don't know what it is Again people think about you way less than you think they are But if you're if it's gonna bother you that you're there and you're, you know, your shirtless profile picture is out there and you know, people

are going to see it and talk, then that's maybe a valid or you could have a shirt. Yeah, you could have a shirt on. We need to all collectively like be less repressed for stuff that is not bad. Sure. Seriously. Like, okay.

So what happens? I mean, play it out. Oh no, you'd go to the local pharmacy and they know you're on Tinder. Now Okay. So what happens? I mean, play it out. Oh no. You'd go to the local pharmacy and they know you're on Tinder? Now what? Now what happens? The hair salon my daughter said, Tim.

They charge you extra. They don't. No, you're right. It doesn't. It's fine. It really is fine. I don't even know if any of these things exist the way that they do. And if they do, those people are far more outdated than your reservations about it.

So, like I said, like what's the worst that could happen? You don't like the experience. You learn that you don't like that experience and then you change your approach after this experience. Yeah. Maybe try eHarmony. I always think once you get up in the ranks there, maybe do something a little more serious.

I don't know. Those ads haven't seen it in a while. I wonder if they're even still around. Yeah. Did everybody die? Yeah. They're a fucking eater today. That's a little old, I think, for our boy here. Match.com? eHarmony feels old.

eHarmony. He feels old. He harmed me. I'm getting all these sponsored things now single and over 50. Date my age.com. He doesn't want to though. I know that's that's not no one's not for you. Yeah, I think the riot thing is simply a recommendation. So and again, it was years ago.

I was with this guy in New York. He was he was a riot guy. He was like he was shocked. He's like you're not on this. He was he was a riot guy. He was like, he was shocked. He's like, you're not on this. I was like, no on TV. Then you hear Ben Affleck's on it. John Mayer's on there. So, I mean, listen, there's no shame in that.

It's fine. Maybe, maybe I can, you can imagine Meghan Markle on there. You can afford a country come to, you know, why not? I think we're going to leave the Meghan Markle ones alone. She doesn't seem to care about hair. No. Yeah.

All right. All right. Uh, I think I have a, I think I have one here that I was, I was saving for a little bit. Let's see what we got. Saving it for a Wednesday. Um, want to do a statue limitations on X. We have that one. Got another bartender deal here.

Uh, I'm always interested in bartenders. Like what do I do in this situation sort of deal? No, I think it's a move thing. So we'll hold off. Maybe we'll cue it. It's there. This one's good. It's unique. It's quick. Maybe we can do two more. All right. Hey gang, make it quick. I work at a tire shop and caught some fellas stealing my tires. My boss, her son and I were watching the camera footage and my boss's son said, damn, looking a little flat on that speed as he watched me go after the thief. I panicked and said, well, yeah,

but I used to run a 4-2-40 in high school. He was mind blown. I'm 28, I was quick back in the day, but certainly not that fast. Am I a loser? That's not a scene from Gillis, right? I don't think so. No, I don't think so.

I was making sure. But the old, I was good in high school, check tape is always a great line. 4-2 is like four twos. Legend. Come on. It's world-class ridiculous. That's a good cause jumping out of a plane, not doing a four two.

So I don't, I don't know. I feel like you get drafted alone. Just running a four. Anyone that runs a four two just gets drafted. Yeah. It's stash. It's that special. Kicks or something.

Yes, I think you're right. I think if you're a four two, people are making you do stuff. Like here's some pads. Just we'll see how it goes. See if this guy can catch. Four two, man. How did you get to four two where you, he said he was panicked. So there you go. He got to four two. I think you just have to hope it never comes up again, but to four two where you, he said he was panicked. So there you go. He got to four two.

I think you just have to hope it never comes up again, but a four two is so fast, he may be bringing people over to meet you. I think I'm more interested in the footage of you chasing after a guy stealing your tires. Yeah. It's just like, it's like in the same category of like lying about a movie you've never seen. If it never comes up again, it's like, cool. That guy thinks I saw this movie. If it does comes up again, it's like cool that guy thinks I saw this movie

If it does come up again, not only like is this weirders like God, what else do you think? He's lying about that's so weird Why would you are we like 40? What's I don't know the age, but I mean you get a certain point where it's like You know don't lie about what you did last summer. It's not fucking cool. You learned that you know, so I Probably lied about my 40 time though I've definitely lied about my 40 time. Yeah, that you know so I don't know. I probably lied about my 40 time though. I've definitely lied about my 40 time. Yeah like you know you get to college and like oh yeah I went to high school would you know yeah I ran a 4-6. I think you get out of college in that whole like I can be anybody who's gonna know and then then you go back to being a normal person right so yeah after post college though you're being honest about your 40 times.

Yeah at that point I don't think if, if you care, it's a little, you stopped chirping guys in bars and you started telling them the truth about your 40. Yeah, you know, you're playing, you know, the intramural flag football and you want to impress the guys. Yeah. I mean, I was more laterally quick than I was lying quick, but you know, that's what people with slow 40s say. That's true. Yeah. You're right. So that's why I lied about it. Yeah. That's what I used to always say was like, you get the ball in my hands.

I'm just, you can't clock it, but yeah, just straight line speed. There's pad speed and there's track speed, come on. Yeah, game speed. Honestly, why can't anyone figure out with your 4.2 background, if you're not a 4.2 now, how you couldn't catch guys running away with tires? Well, did he want to?

With tires, it's funny. He definitely saw you down. Can you imagine? What's your 40 with a tire? That's slow. Yeah. That's gotta be, the tires are tough to run around with. Look at the little flat there, so funny.

That's so funny too. Yeah, I think Kyle's right. You just hope it doesn't come up again, but that's gonna be a tough one. I lied about my 40. If a guy tells you if he's four, two, you should be able to Google that guy for something. Like there's some piece.

You should be able to type his name in his state. And just there's something. Come on. The kid next time you see him is like, can we pull up your huddle? Because you know what's funny is one of my wife's friends, her husband, like we hang out periodically. He played soccer in college and he,

he played soccer with this kid that I went to high school with who was like legendarily fast. You always remember the fast kid in high school. Like, you know, like it could be however many years later and like, yeah, I remember that guy he ran, you know, he was that dude, a soccer player. Like he was unbelievable. You just always for the rest of your life, remember who the fastest kid I feel like you grew up with was. Uh, it's like a universal dude law. And so if you, so you better be that guy.

I've heard that before. That's good. Yeah. I lied about it once at this bar in Boston. I don't know why I did it. I don't even know why I did it. Cause I did it in front of, I think the guy who ended up being the Bosa Brothers trainer, this awesome guy from Boston college. And he just called me right out. He was like, you would be in the NFL if you ran that fast.

And I went, yeah, maybe I would be. And I don't even know why I did it. And I was talking to this girl. It didn't even make any sense. It didn't make any sense. Like she would have been, she was either gonna like me or not like me. And it was going to have nothing to do with my 40 time, but I don't know.

I was just, uh, I actually remember the spot and the scenario leading up to it. It was kind of like this last ditch effort thing as you were leaving town. You'd be like, let's stop there for last call. And it was like on your way out of town and then we were together and whatever. I actually think I lost, he lost all respect for me pretty quickly. I think as that happened and called me out immediately in front of everybody. And, uh, I just want to let him know that I appreciated that I learned from it, became better and respected it. And then he went on to try to boss us. Yeah.

I mean, the guy was just an absolute stud of human being. Um, so thanks for that. If I never thanked him. Yeah, that's, that's sort of weird. I don't know. I have four twos fast, brother. Four two is really fast. So you may become the four two guy in your town. Yeah. Okay. Uh, let's do this one.

Cause I like it. It's a unique 23 years old, six foot three, one 85 bench one 80 slot, two 20, excuse me, two 55. Don't want to cheat them. Hang clean two Oh five. All right. A couple hang cleans in the mix. Pick up comp, 10th grade JJ Reddick, Ken and Will, bold font, all caps, shoot it from everywhere on the court,

all while talking a ton of shit, all in the spirit of competition. I'm freshly out of college where I played D2 golf for four years, love the golf talk, by the way. Lot of requests for a full Pinehurst recap, not sure that it's been a couple months, I'm not sure we're going to do it. Where I also met my girlfriend of two and a half years. I started listening to you guys a couple of months ago as I started my corporate career and I enjoyed the in-depth MBA talk as well as life advice. Thanks.

For some background that will be relevant to the rest of the story, I grew up in a small rural town where everyone knew everyone. Small town in it today. Small town America life advice. And if you're a good athlete and you were the best in just about every sport or activity, I realized that being the best in a small town is a great way to get advice. And I think it today, small town America life advice. And if you're a good athlete and you were the best in just about every sport or activity, I realized that being the best in small town

doesn't reflect in larger cities all that often, but I've naturally very competitively highly motivated and was lucky enough to play higher level AAU basketball under our under armor circuit during my high school years. I recently asked my girlfriend of two and a half years to marry me. She said, yes, super pumped for the future.

She's a, okay, this is a lot of information. So let's just, I don't. Fresh out of college, maybe give him a break. Yeah. Maybe not thinking this one through. Her college basketball resume is incredible. Let me just say that for the audience and for you too, but he gets a little specific about it and maybe it doesn't matter. Um, because this isn't that big of a deal, but.

You know, I always like to try to make it as, as vague as we can without the specifics is I think if I explain her entire resume here, people figure out who it is and maybe it doesn't even matter. Um, anyway, so the resume is incredible. Back to the email. She is better than me at most, if not all competitive stuff we do together. Hear me out. It first became apparent when we were dating as I would use my rebounding

passing skills to help her with her basketball workouts, shooting drills. At the end of these workouts, she would always challenge me to game a one-on-one and then a free throw competition. At first, I want to do the chivalrous thing, let her win, smile through it, even though my competitive side was burning. As we did this more often, she started to call me out on this and gave me a pass first I want to do the chivalrous thing, let her win, smile through it, even though my competitive side was burning. As we did this more often, she started to call me out on this and gave me a pass to play her normal without utilizing my physical advantage too much.

Our main rules, I can't block any shots if I am out of defensive position. Okay. Um, yeah, I would imagine that she would tell you, I don't want you to not trying here, let's go. Uh, long story short, she kicks my ass in the regular and at best I can beat her about 40% of the time. I know I haven't played competitively outside of weekly pickup, but I also know I'm not washed up. I mean, yeah, dude, you're, you're 23.

As my skills aren't completely gone. Washed up. Yeah. And there's nothing that bothers me more when somebody's in their 20s. I'm like, I'm just getting old. And they're like, fuck you. On the other hand, it only gets worse. Every single card game, board game, crossword dominoes, any other competitive event, she will beat me.

And I've recently found that even in the games I'm initially better at, she will play until she gets good enough to beat me outright. For example, I played cribbage. I know old man's game. We will not, we will not talk shit about cribbage. There was these guys at one of the places I used to work a long time ago. They got together, they get their bud bottles and they play rounds and rounds

of cribbage and I'd be like, man, those guys looked like they got a nice simple, simple time. You play any cribbage, Kyle? You ever get to that? I'm Googling it right now. What the hell am I looking at here? Yeah, honestly, I'm my Christmas gift to you. I'm sending you a nice cribbage set.

So text me your address. Is it a board game? Is it a card game? I don't know. It looks kind of like make Kyle. I can Is it a card game? I don't know. It looks kind of like a card game. I can tell it's not, but I don't know. No, it's a card game where you, you keep track of the point system or whatever, and

you get a little bored and then you have the things and you move them around. Um, honestly, I can't believe you don't play it because it's going to be your new favorite thing. Kyle's going to be a huge cribbage guy a year from now, he's going to be entering tournaments. So he played a lot growing up, whereas I just taught her how to play and she

already found the skills needed to beat me on a regular basis, less than two weeks after the first learning. Uh, that's quick. It's now to the point where I feel like all I have is golf and I also get internally frustrated by the constant losing, even though I love the genuine competitive aspect of our relationship as a man, have I lost all respect? Do I embrace the fact that I'm marrying one of the people who just have the it factor?

Should I utilize this to dominate other couples and team related activities? Do I start practicing more in my free time to level the playing field? What would you guys do in this situation? Call off the engagement. Can't be losing for the rest of your life. No, uh, I think you're just gonna be psyched

that you found somebody that is, I get it. Like it could get a little old, but it might be one of the rare marriages where iron sharpens iron. You know, and I don't know if you're about to take a knee here in a non-proposal way on the whole deal and kind of give up, because it certainly doesn't sound like you want to do that.

But I think this is such a great part of somebody's makeup. You know, I think this- Your greatest rival is your wife. That's so good. Yeah, like nobody's sitting here and be like, hey, this is going to be awesome. Because if you reverse it the other day, and be like, I just dominate my wife

in every single category, it's just amazing. She's taken L's for seven straight years. Keeps her sharp. She knows, right? She knows. Although the competitive nature thing, whenever there's a broadcast, like that gets, that gets like, we were talking before about how, like when somebody takes a knee before running into the end zone for the extra score, where I think sometimes the extra score would, would be fine, but then everybody just freaks

out because you're like, man, this guy gets it. He took a knee right before the, the other one that announcers love is like some backstory, how competitive like they were playing shoots and ladders and he assaulted his seven year old cousin, this guy, you don't think he wants a first down like, ah, I gotta

get dreams about winning. Right. I gotta tell you, Dan, the coaches said the same thing. He's just got to tell you, Dan, the coach has said the same thing. He's just got an edge to him. Did you see the Jamar chase thing, by the way? Somebody, I think somebody asked him like, Hey, did you think about going down? I guess to like, and that was the Monday night football game against the Cowboys.

He was like, nah, I just wanted to score it. To be honest with you. And he just laughed it off. I'm like, that's yes. I want more of that. Like that Ohio state one was ridiculous. Like don't be like, you went on this ramp, but like he's selfish. It's fine.

Well, the Ohio state one, I get it. Like there are times where it's like, Hey, it's run the clock. They don't have the game is now over. I mean, cause there's other times a guy gets a pick and they're up only one score and he starts running around. You're like, dude, go down. Like, what are you doing? But there's other times where I wonder if you're doing it because you actually are going to get more praise than the actual touchdown.

I mean, the Jamar chase one, like get to the end zone. That one, I mean, that score was tied. Um, I don't, you know, whatever. All right. So look, I don't know that I would have liked this at 23. You know what? Now that I think about it, trying to remember back, but if I were going to start a family with someone and this was a part of

her personality, like something that she would want to instill in our children. I think it's such a win. I think it's such an advantage to grow up in a competitive household. You know, it was funny because my father and I were just at each other's throats, not like in a, in a, like the way he raised me and that we didn't see eye to eye.

I'm just talking on the competitive stuff. It was nasty. Like it was just all the time, everything we did was a competition and I was the oldest, you know, so I'm just, I'm his first kid. I'm his son and you know, he's got the athletic background and, uh, I would say my whole thing is fairly disappointing, but leading up to it, it was

everything. And my mother did not understand it and she hated it. Like if we were playing miniature golf and it'd be like a little family thing or something. And then my father and I would be like, okay, we'll get, what are the rules and like, let's figure this out.

And this is what we would do. And she would just walk away. She was so uncomfortable around it. She didn't understand it. She hated it. It made her uneasy. And she was like, if you guys are going to do this, like, I'm not going to be part of it.

And we would just be like, beat it. No, like fine. Um, the fact that you are somebody that played college sports, you certainly have this in you. If you're good enough to play golf, you obviously have some mental toughness there. I think the long term payoffs for this are going to be so much better for you, especially if you want to have kids together, than how annoying it probably is right now, 23 years old, to lose to your wife and everything. And I would say start blocking her shot. blocking her shot. Hmm. Yes fair game

When you said that thing about your dad, I was just thinking like wasn't there somebody who said his biggest hater was his dad It was job around my dad's my biggest Yeah, he's got that quote saying like my biggest haters my dad so you can't do anything to me quote, say like my biggest haters, my dad. So you can't do anything to me. Cool. Yeah, I would say this, the problem with this though, is like, it kind of can't get to the buddies cause you're never going to hear the end of this. So it's all well.

And I agree with you. Like the, think about the, you know, having kids and like the athletic background that your kids are probably gonna have, there's a good chance that you're not going to be paying for college. There's going to be some scholarships in your future, which is great. All good stuff, but you can't kind of get around in the group chat and the core group of guys that your wife is beating you at most sports. Like that's, I know it's 2024.

It's just not going to fly. It's not going to fly. Yeah. Have a kid. You can beat that guy for like 20 years. That's cool. Whoa. 20.

Yeah. Right. 18. I can't imagine what it's like to be a dad and then lose that first time you lose to your son and like one-on-one basketball in the driveway. And it's real proud. Yeah. Right.

Probably. But you know, the dynamics have just changed in a way. You know what I mean? Yeah. Cause I remember there was a who this kid's going to start feeling bad for me in a couple of years. God damn it. We were, I was back for the summer.

We were doing a summer job and I think it was the first fill out stage post 18 or whatever. And there was a hoop and there was lunch and my dad was like, yeah, he was looking at the hoop and he was like lunch. I was like, yep. And I, and it was a little low too. And once I realized I could dunk on it, I was like the worst fucking staring him down and yelling dude. And he was like, you're going to play right here. Yeah.

He was like, if you're going to play like this, the, you were just not going to play and I was like, oh, you don't like it, huh? Respect the game. Yeah. Your bony elbow into my Adam's apple from age seven till 15. Yeah. I actually that every time I hear it. I really do. Yeah. It was bad. Apple from age seven till 15. Yeah, I actually hate that every time I hear it. I really do.

Yeah, it was bad. It was really bad. He was like, this is, you just can be an asshole yell stuff. I mean, Chris is once I could dunk on this thing, I was like, Oh, I got this from the side. I was like, I'm going to put this guy in the fucking blender.

Hey man, just, just has to happen. It has to happen. You know, he respected it. I think deep down he respected it. Yeah. Well, Dave was only half over though. Couldn't like go home. It's not like, all right, see you tomorrow.

I'll sleep on this. He probably regretted buying my meatball sub that day. That'll do it for life advice. Thanks to war gone. We've got to get that picture up. This is a watch the YouTube watch it on YouTube. It's a good idea. You go for you. Watch it on YouTube and subscribe to our YouTube page. Hope you enjoyed today's episode. I'll do a big I owe you a big NBA open but I just didn't feel like we had enough with the two games. So we'll do some kind of the stuff that's picking up.

Jalen sucks, you know, just put on a show, no big deal. But it's a good night. You don't, don't love that second to last ISO three though. Didn't love that. I would agree, but there was a lot more to like than dislike. Yeah. The Yanis off ball cuts are just so filthy and ridiculous.

It's actually more dangerous than him getting downhill with the ball. So they've done a really good job with him. All right, that's talking NBA. Please subscribe, as we said to the YouTube page and you can download the Ryan Roussela podcast from our podcast. Must be 21 and older, present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in DC gambling problem.

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