The Ryen Russillo Podcast - The Packers' Ceiling, the Contenders' Biggest Flaws, and the Best Play Callers With Ted Nguyen

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Russillo is joined by Ted Nguyen to break down the Eagles-Chiefs Super Bowl rematch, discuss the biggest flaws among the contenders, and share how NFL defensive coordinators ranked the best offensive minds in the league. Plus, Life Advice with Ceruti and Kyle! (0:00) Welcome to The Ryen Russillo Podcast! (1:56) Russillo welcomes in Ted Nguyen (5:23) Where does Jordan Love rank for you as an NFC QB? (7:20) Would Nguyen rather have Jalen Hurts or Jordan Love? (9:30) What went wrong for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl? (12:16) Why the back end of Philly’s defense is good enough to help the pass rush (15:10) Does Nguyen like Dallas throwing deep on fourth-and-3? (16:48) How much does age matter on defense? (22:48) Eagles-Chiefs picks (23:26) Which AFC contender has the weakest unit? (26:57) Do the Ravens have a huge flaw? (28:37) Where do the Rams rank in the NFC? (29:56) Ranking the best offensive minds in the league (33:42) How does Ben Johnson differ from Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan? (37:50) Player that was exciting over the summer and lives up to those expectations (39:02) Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers’s Pittsburgh debut (45:03) Life Advice! (56:30) How do I ruin a coworker's life? (1:05:09) Help me win an argument with my wife about bikers Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Ted Nguyen Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, Mike Wargon, and Jonathan Frias Learn more and join waitlist at ScoutMotors.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's pod, I want to go deep. Tedwin of the athletic. He does all the film work that you need to get ready for a football week. And he did a big time breakdown of this Eagles defense of what they're able to do with their linebackers and a concept. I want you to bring this up next time you're hanging out with your friends. You can steal it from me. Do we round up with youth on defense and round down with age on defense?

I think we do. Maybe we should stop. I don't know if a movement will start. But we're going to go through all the contenders and if there are any flaws. He also talks to defensive coordinators from the NFL and they rank their top six O coordinators. And again, a more in-depth preview of Kansas City and Philly and he'll pick that game. We've got life advice, biking. We've got corporate people reaching out about what to do, what not to do.

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NFL and a ton of film breakdown stuff. Ted Wynn joins us now. What's up, man? Good to see you. Good to see you. Thanks for having me on. Okay. Let's get to it because we start with this Packers D. It was really impressive against a Detroit team that likes to establish the run. They could not run the football. They couldn't protect. There's some interior offensive line stuff. You probably figure they'll get sorted out at some point. And then we see the Packers go up against a commander's offense that put up real numbers last year. And I still think Jaden statistically, I guess it's argued it's his worst game of his career. I still think he was doing for a guy that was struggling and then things weren't going to work.

There were actually some things that I kind of liked about him last night and just being competitive. I'm not even talking about like the late scores that nobody cares about. But we see that Green Bay with this front, they can get there with four. Talk to me about what you think this defense is capable of this season. Yeah, I mean, in week one, we saw them shut down. the Lions run defense. And actually, it was one of the worst rushing performances for lines in the last few years holding them to, I think, 2.1 yards per carry or something like that, which is extremely impressive. And then we want to see if they could do it again. And they

stopped commanders rushing offense, which is one of the most unique in the league. And I think one thing that's pretty interesting about that is defensive coordinators could kind of struggle with a read option because they don't see it a ton. But Jeff Halfley is coming from college where he did see it a lot. So he does have experience shutting it down. So he saw some of those defensive concepts that shut down those options sort of runs. And obviously, when you stop the run,

you can pin your ears back and start pass rushing. And we saw that with Michael Parsons, and he saw him move around the formation. He rushed from the inside a little bit more. I think he rushed from the inside 10% of his snaps and just caused a ton of havoc with those games. And, yeah, I think this Green Bay defense is for real. I mean, I think there's some questions to outside corner,

and they finally got tested against commanders. But Kishon Nixon, I thought, passed that test with flying colors. So I think this Green Bay defense might be the number one defense in the league by the end of the year. Yeah, it looks pretty special. And to have that many options, you know, on the front line and like, man, that's this huge day in week one. And then Cooper shows up. And it was kind of fun to see him as somebody that I started noticing more and more last year. you know, get a couple moments where it's like, hey, point this again.

Then he's making plays right after the broadcast is pointing him out at linebacker and Walker, you know, the versatility with him. Like these guys are hitters. They've got size. They've got mobility. So yeah, we'll see because it looks like if you can get there with four that can solve a lot of your problems on the back end. If I look at love and how he's looked at the beginning of the year, because it was, you know,

we've covered this bit, but it's just comes on to the scene. You're like, wow, they actually were right about this guy. And then we wanted to see the development off of that, and it wasn't enough of a jump in year two. And he's had a really nice start. The deep shots are fun. Like to see the floor, it's just going like, hey, I want to get like five or six of these up. Craft has a monster night. It sucks that Reed got hurt.

But we see the depth of receiver and all these different things. It is interesting after Hertz winning a Super Bowl. And then it's like, okay, where is he? And then some people think it's like absurd because of the resume for him to not be considered like closer to the top five than maybe a top 10 guy. and then Jayden's year and then kind of this unknown. How would you look at love and maybe compare this with where you're at with him now and what you thought of him in August of whether or not this conference is actually his, especially with Stafford aging out?

Yeah, I mean, he's definitely ascending quarterback. I thought last year the injury really affected him. I mean, he just did not want to run last year after he got injured in week one. And I think now that he's healthy, we're seeing him a little bit more mobile. we saw him scramble for 14 yards. Not that it's going to be a huge part of his game, but that mobility does add a little bit more to his game. And I just think, yeah, in his, you know,

just another year in his offense and just knowing Lafleur and building on those concepts that they have. And just his skill set fits so well with what Laferr wants to do. And he's just a guy that wants to attack downfield. And they had so many explosive plays yesterday, and they left a few on. the field too like he just barely missed on a couple so i think jordan love is i mean i thought he was going to send into that top 10 category last year obviously it didn't happen but i think now that he's

healthy i think they figured out some things with the receiving order after adding golden into that equation um i really think he's going to get to that level this year so with that type of defense i think jordan love ascending to that top 10 tier of quarterback this this is i think to me is a they're a real Super Bowl contender. It feels like you're being critical of Hertz if I'm ever like, well, hey, look, I think he's fine, but I'm not sure. I mean, there was a chart from week one, which again, it's just week one. So it's a little unfair to him, but it was like time to throw and not like the time to

throw one, which I think would be misleading if you're running away for pressure, you're just freelancing on your own. But it was like depth of target versus like basically how well you're protected. And Hertz was like a dot on the chart that was so far away from. from everything else. So if I just, like, rapid-fired with you, like, for all things being equal, would you rather have love for a season or Jalen Hertz? That's tough.

I mean, I think Hertz fits exactly what the Eagles want to do as far as just being a read-option quarterback, they have their tush-push. And obviously, nobody could tush-push-push-like, you know, Hertz can. And he could take those deep shots when teams start loading the box. So he's perfect for what they want to do. But I think as far as just being an overall dynamic quarterback, I think Jordan Love can exceed Hertz. And I'm not hating on Hertz.

I do like I've grown to appreciate his game. Like he does make those winning plays and winning decisions in those critical moments. But as far as just being an overall quarterback, being able to attack the field and read defenses, all those types of things. I think Jordan Love has a potential to, exceed Hertz, but I could not put him over Hertz right now. I think the winning pedigree does matter, and Hertz obviously has it.

Okay, listen, I'll make it all about Hertz. Would you rather have Jayden Daniels for a season or Jordan Love? I think Jane Daniels. I just love everything about Jane and Daniels, and obviously, he offers that dynamic running part of the game. But again, Jane Daniels probably isn't quite there yet, but I like Jane Daniels' overall stealing probably the best of any of those quarterbacks. All right, you did a nice breakdown of Philly as we get ready for the Super Bowl rematch this

early. It's almost like, you know, it was funny because I was thinking about it the other day looking forward to last night's game. I think just that Tuesday, Wednesday without a football game, which again, I do think the NFL is going to put this on seven nights a week at some point. I don't, I think it's years away, but I think they'll try. But, you know, you go all summer, you know, maybe you're checking out some baseball. But it's the only like slowdown period for me. So then to get football and to have it Thursday, to have it Friday, to have all the college to have it Sunday, then have it Monday that Tuesday. It was like the first moment of like, oh, I don't have anything going on here tonight.

So here we are after that Bill's win, incredibly lucky week one, lucky enough to have a Super Bowl rematch. When you break down the tape from that game, what do you think went wrong for the Chiefs? Well, the main thing is protection. Like they got pummeled from that Eagle's pass rush. And I think they did, they tried to do a lot of work as far as fixing their protection. schematically and with talent. I think they lucked out getting Josh Simmons in the bottom of the first round, who should have been a top 10 pick.

And he looks, I mean, he did make some mental mistakes in that Chargers game. But as far as a physical ability, I think he's the best tackle that the Chiefs had in years. And then I think Taylor, who they moved to the right side, you know, there's some problems with him. But maybe if he could stay on a right side, he could be a little bit more stable. and if he doesn't, then they might move Jalen Moore, who they got in a free agency to right tackle, and maybe that would solidify their off the line. But I just think with Simmons protecting the blind side,

they're a much better spot than they were last year. So we'll see how that protection holds up against the Eagles, but the Eagles pass rush isn't what it was in that Super Bowl run either. It's not as deep losing Bill and Williams inside was a pretty big issue. We saw what happened when they lost Jalen Carter in that game. didn't have a good, good interior rush. So they're going to have to be a little bit more creative with their rush as far as simulator pressures and blitzing and that sort of thing.

But the main thing was, yeah, that rush just destroyed the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. And the Chiefs couldn't get a run game going. Not that that's ever something that Andy Reid really wants to do. But it's just hard to live when your opponent could just sit in too high the entire game. Like they just ran the same coverage pretty much 80% of the game and they were able to get away with it. So I'm curious to see if maybe they want to try to run the ball a little bit more than they did in the Super Bowl. I feel like they can't just get into a dropback game early and expect to beat the Eagles. Okay, so here's something that I really like in the breakdown because they lose the defensive line talent.

I think through the draft it's been, you know, prioritized to have the. these replacements and now they're getting these replacement reps. Clearly, they've invested at corner with two or the younger guys where you're like, okay, but is there still like, are they still one corner light, right? And Dean being out means they had to shuffle some things, but they take Campbell. The Zach Bond story is insane because he goes from playing one way in New Orleans to what he does with Philly last year. And now it feels like Philly's actually going back to some of the other stuff. So he's just showing this incredible versatility. You did a big breakdown on these guys.

So I guess I'm wondering, do they think the versatility with their linebackers is enough to compensate until the guys up front are seasoned enough to match what they've been able to do in the past or getting pressure without blitzing all day? Yeah, I think some of the things they could do with Jahad Campbell could definitely help the pass rush. Actually, before the draft, my comparison, and I wrote this, my comparison for Jahad Campbell was Zach Bond. because he is a linebacker that has really good coverage instincts when he plays zone. And you could move him on the line of scrimmage and rush him. And he could hold up at it as edge against a run. So now you have two players with similar skill sets. And you have Vic Fangio who's going to draw up a bunch of things for these guys and move him around.

And one of the things that Vic Fangio really likes to do is, like, he'll move the front right before the snap. So he'll move last year with Zach Bond, who was playing back. inside lineback and then right before the snap, they move him to edge, and then it just makes it hard for the blocking scheme to account for him. But now they have Campbell back there, and now Campbell's the guy that's moving to the edge,

and then they have Bond playing back, who's a little bit more experienced, and that works. And they're doing a few creative things, and they kind of unveiled it week one, but I think as we move, we're going to see more and more creative schemes, like on fourth and three towards the end of the game

where the Cowboys needed to get it. They had to read Blitz on where both Bonn and Campbell were at the line of scrimmage, and they're reading the protection. So if the protection turned towards one guy, then they'll drop out. And then the other guy blitzes, and then he gets a good matchup against a running back, and that's exactly what happened. Bonn ended up blitzing, got right into Dak Prescott's face, and Campbell ended up taking away the hot route,

and they had to throw that ugly ball to C.D. Lamb, which he had to die four, he could have caught it, but it ended up getting dropped than that fourth and three. So I really liked the skill set, and I think we're going to see more and more interesting things from them and Fangio moving forward. Yeah, that fourth and three throw to

C, like, part of me like Dax's aggressive, it's like on the whole I just think there's so many quarterbacks that get really comfortable with, like, you know, they're saying, hey, I'm managing risk, and I would just be like, you're not even giving your team a chance. I thought throughout that loss,

for Dallas, there were times where Dak was trying to give his team a chance to move the football, taking those shots. And I think those shots can kind of scare you over the course of the game. You can't just do it once. And again, that's kind of what I loved about Green Bay last night. And it felt like they could kind of do whatever they wanted. There were just so many times where they would drop back guys are just one wide open. And you're like, all right, well, no wonder they're so aggressive here.

But on fourth and three, and this is kind of like a separate thing. Do you like that going, hey, it's CD? Because there's also the default of the huge third down in that spot of fourth down is obviously bigger, we're making this or we're going home. The reliance on the number one option, do you like that knowing that if you could have just found something underneath, you're

moving the chains on fourth and three, but now you're taking a one-on-one shot on a go route? Yeah, it also depends what the defense is doing because on fourth and three, Vic Fangio is not a big man coverage guy, but knowing that the Cowboys only had three yards, he wanted to play a little bit more aggressive coverage, so they're playing man-a-man.

And that reed blitz I told you about, Campbell actually did a really good job of dropping out and taking away a short route that was kind of wide open that would have gotten three yards. So they took away that route. And then you have a one-on-one with your best player against Cooper DeGine, who's a good corner too, but I think that's why they took that shot. And then when you compare it to what happened at the end of the game when the Cowboys are

trying to get the ball back and the Eagles had the ball and they were facing a third and three, and Matt Iberfluse just calls a four-man pass rush with cover three playing, you know, zone. And then Jalen Hertz just, you know, scoots out and gets the three yards on a run. It's just bad situational football. So it depends what the defense is doing. But I like taking that shot when you have man-to-man and you have your best player with the one-on-one. Yeah, right. It's not like Mitchell was on them too, probably.

That's probably another part of it. There is something that is, I think we're all guilty of it. try to check myself with a little bit, but especially on defense, I feel like I round up with young players and then I round down with old players. And I don't know if the age of Washington's defense, like if you look at the overall age numbers that come out before week one, I think Washington's average age across the board was the oldest team in the NFL. I mean, hell, even Jaden in the second year, like I doubt many people realize how old he is. So there's some youth on the defensive line, but then you start looking at corners and linebackers in that group. Is that a

mistake or is it actually the reason we round up is because the chances are these dudes in their mid-20s are just going to stay healthier that they're just going to be in better shape dealing with the combative nature of the sport by like week 12 yeah i mean i think with defenders like when you get up you know because defense is so much about athleticism because you have to be able to react to the offense like it's just tougher to play when when you get older i mean i think playing certain positions like linebacker where you know a lot of it is mental processing you can age a little bit more gracefully but i think yeah i think with defense as you get older like it's just tougher to play the position especially when you're playing you know a position that you have to run a lot like

corner and react and that that sort of deal even defensive line like you know you have to be a great athlete to be able to beat these tackles so as you get older it's just tougher because you don't have that twitch anymore um and there's some power rushers that can get away with it. But yeah, I agree with you. I think as you get older on defense, it's just tougher to play the position. And then on offense, I think offense, like, you can actually get better

with age, you know, even in like a position like a wide receiver. Definitely at quarterback. You know, we see tight ends age gracefully. Offensive tackles age pretty gracefully. So yeah, I kind of agree with you. Like, it's round up for defense and you know, for offense. I don't think

age is as big of a deal. I find myself doing it all the time. And I was thinking about it this week because of the washing matchup and because of all these names on Philly that I like and look, we only saw one game of it and it felt like a lot of the names showed up big time in the second half.

I was kind of waiting on some guys to play. Like Bonn was kind of making plays throughout the entire game. But I was like, man, I feel like I always kind of default to hope for young defenses figuring they're going to think it out or thinking they're going to figure it out. But yet whenever it's like an older depth chart on defense, I just kind of assume the worst.

And it can't be that predictable. but I think just the athleticism and some of the stuff you were talking about plays into that. The Ryan Rosilla podcast is brought you by Fandul. NFL Sunday's coming. You've got your crew, your couch, your snacks, your slate,

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incredible moments here, where are you on their momentum? Like, pick this game against Philly and give me whether or not you have a declining view of this group or, you know, just expecting them to win the AFC like we have now for years. Yeah, I mean, I think seeing what we saw, what happened with the against the chargers. I think this defense is going to struggle early on. I have faith in Spagnolo in figuring out eventually. But, I mean, there was just a ton of coverage bus, mental mistakes from secondary. I think losing Justin Reed was a huge underrated development that happened in offseason

because he was such a stabilizing force in that secondary as far as communication, tackling an open field, which is huge when you blitz as much as they do. And I think they missed that stabilizing force in the secondary. We saw just guys running wide open in man coverage because they couldn't pick up the right guy. And I don't think that's an issue that's going to get fixed in one week or two weeks. I think that's an issue that might need to get fixed as we go along and maybe it happens later on in the season. And I also think Spagnola is not going to slow down or really simplify his calls for a young defense. I think that he's going to keep calling what he does and make them figure it out.

So I don't know if they're ready to stop this Eagles offense just yet with all the mistakes they're making. I think it's going to have to be on their offense to keep pace with the Eagles because there's just too many mistakes happening right now. So you like Philly here? I think it's going to be a high scoring game. And I think I'm going to say Casey pulls it off. It's a factor, but I think it's going to be a high-scoring game. I don't think that Casey's going to go in there and shut down that Eagles' offense. You know, it's going to be a shootout.

Okay, let's stay with this contenders thing. Because if I was looking at Fandals' odds this morning, the bills are plus 170 when the AFC Ravens plus 550. That feels like great Ravens value there. Casey plus 700. The Charter's actually close to them at plus 800 there. If you were to talk about flaws, you know, whether it was expected flaws, based on summer, you know, maybe it's

overreacting a bit after just week one tape here. But is it the bill's secondary? The bill secondary is pretty bad. I mean, they have a six-round rookie starting for them last week. And then they're counting on Chredaubias White to come in and fill that corner spot. But Traddea, Davies White hasn't been good in three years. So I feel like we've been waiting on that for a while.

Yeah. It's going to be rough. And they just announced that Ed Oliver is going to be out for a few weeks. And he was by far their best run defender. He was their best pass rush too. So they're missing a huge part of their defense. They just gave up 238 yards rushing to the Ravens. And then they're playing the Jets who just rushed for 182 yards against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

So Josh Allen is going to have to put on a Superman cape for a few weeks because this bill's defense is rough. And they're depending on Bosa staying healthy for 16 weeks, which doesn't happen. So it's a lot of holes in this Bill's defense. Did you like the Bosa tape, though, from that first game? Oh, yeah. I mean, he'll agree. I mean, anytime Bosa's playing, he's one of the best edge defenders in the league. It's just the problem is he's going to miss five, six games a year.

Yeah, and he's going to play in five other ones, or he's probably not even close to 100%. Then you're kind of watching going, like, what happened? I mean, even the replay on that Lamar, you know, it wasn't even a mesh decision. He's just out in the open against Lamar, and it was like week one early in the game. And it looks bad, but it's like, you know, sometimes you have to just acknowledge, like, what's supposed to do in that spot? Then I thought, you know, again, I'm not watching it the way you are, but I find myself like going, all right, I want to see. I want to see how he's doing.

And I was like, I thought he played well. So I'm glad you said that. Kansas City, we covered here. Are you a Herbert guy? Because there's, I don't know if there's a fan club for us or a secret handshake, but it's almost more unpopular to still like him. I'm a big Herbert guy All right We can move on

Herber's elite guy Anything with Baltimore that you think is a flaw I'm not really concerned With Baltimore Their offense looked great Right guard It's a problem

Daniel Flele He's a guy that He's a 6-8 tackle They tried to move the guard last year He was a problem early in a year And they kind of figure out Ways around him last year But I think they're hoping

He took the next step in offseason but he looks pretty rough. So that's a spot they might have to replace. Corner depth is a little bit, a little bit concerning because Jire Alexander had to come in at a game after Wuzet got hurt and he got. I thought it was terrible. Yeah, yeah.

And he used to be, I mean, you know, whatever. He used to be one of the premier guys. And there's a reason he's kind of bouncing around now and you're not 100% sure of speaking to some of the health stuff. But like that pass interference in the corner, like just being out of position, he just didn't even look athletic on that. that and maybe I'm being too harsh on that but there was another play too where I'm like what's going

on yeah I mean he's just like slipping all over the place it doesn't look good but I mean they survived with Brandon Stevens playing corner last year and he was pretty bad too I think if a Wusez healthy and Marlon Humphrey's healthy then the corners are pretty solid but if Jair Alexander has to come in a start you know that's going to be another Brandon Stevens type of issue yeah I was looking at the NFC this morning. Green Bay is plus 270. Do you think Baltimore is a better football team than Green Bay today? I think

the Packers are a better team, but I think Lamar Jackson's on another tier from Jordan Love, and that makes a difference. So I would put Baltimore over the Packers for now. But if Jordan Love is playing like a top 10 quarterback,

as a season goes along, then I would give the Packer's Edge. Yeah, I think I, everything that I've seen from that first week, I know it sounds crazy considering they blew the lead, but, you know, what I like about the work that you do and talking about the guys, you know, that really understand this stuff is that is there an answer for everything, you know, or there are times where it can feel a little unsolvable? Like when the Niners are healthy on offense, there are times where it feels like, hey, they're getting their 28, 31 points today. And now with the Niners, like the gap between the elite talent and then this kind of reset year, perhaps, around some of the names that we're familiar with.

And then it's like, okay, but if they lose a couple of these five or six special player, and it's like, here we are. It's week two, and the quarterback and the tight end are already down. So, you know, the Niners are still kind of alive in this conference race here when I was looking at least the odds part of it. So Green Bay's plus 270, the Rams are plus 700. I've got to be honest, Detroit's now plus, let me pull it up here again. They're plus 1,700. They're in eighth place. Vegas hates them after week one.

That feels a little harsh for Detroit there. Since we've talked, Packers, we've talked, are you surprised, like, would you have the Rams as the third best team in the NFC? I mean, I like the Rams a lot. Their run defense and their secondary concerns me. but, I mean, they play pretty well against Houston, but they kind of just dominated that Houston offensive line, which is just terrible.

But if Stafford could stay healthy, and that's kind of a big if with that back issue, you know, I could see them being one of the best teams in NFC, but I still have some questions about their defense, but, I mean, I feel like that offense is going to be, you know, flying pretty high if Stafford's able to play 18, 17 games.

there was a running joke years ago when it was the McVeigh tree and there's a lot of stuff said about that hiring cycle and if you look around most of those guys are still working and most of them are considered the best offensive minds in this sport so congrats to the McVe tree whether or not it's actually the Shanahan tree which again if you go through if you have the family tree of how offensive football works Mike would be up there and then Kyle and then McBay and the rest of it you on the athletic, and I would encourage people to read this, talk to defensive coordinators and ask them to rank the guys that are the best. So let's go through that ranking because I was reading it

this week as well. Who's number one? Who's the guy that everybody thinks is the best at doing this? We're talking about just designing an offense and then execution. Yeah, number one is Kyle Shanahan. And there are some flaws to Shanahan's offense when it comes to protection. That's one thing that did come up a few times. But as far as just his ability to attack weaknesses in your defense, understanding the rules of your defense, the completeness of that run game and how they're able to attack with different personnel and that hybrid 21 personnel, they just get a ton of respect from defensive coaches, his ability to create explosives, his ability to, I think one huge

thing is like he's able to make average players look really good. like he's Jimmy Garoppolo looked like a Super Bowl quarterback in that offense and then he gets out of that team and all of a sudden he's a backup quarterback you know so he's able to get the best out of his players and he just understands

the weaknesses of every defensive player on the field the rankings and I have these up in front of me here again I just want to pull it up to make sure so it's Shanahan one it's McVeigh two who you had defense supporters essentially say like it's one A and 1B

with those two. Number three is Ben Johnson now with the Bears. Number four is Andy Reid. Number five is Kevin O'Connell with the Vikings and then he finished it out with Matt LaFleur from last night. Let's try to figure out the different things that maybe, you know, that were shared with you that you thought were really interesting. So what's the biggest McVeigh thing? And it's not, maybe not even McVeigh's system, but McVeigh's own development. Yeah, I think, you know, we all remember the Super Bowl where they lost at a Patriots. They only scored three points and he couldn't adjust to that 6-1 defense that the Patriots ran. And I think as he's grown as a coach, he's gotten so good at adjusting and just coming

up with stuff on the fly, you know, having to change his game plan completely. That's one thing he got a lot of credit for us, just like he has his roller decks in his head that he could go to whenever he needs to. He's one of the best in-game adjusters. I think Andy Reid still gets credit for being the best as far as adjusting. and coming up with the answers during the game. But I think McVeigh is second in that respect. But I think overall, people like his system better

because of the completeness of it. Andy Reeves, surprisingly, didn't get any first place votes. But I think because he just is so dependent on the dropback game that some defensive coordinators don't give him as much credit as a play caller. Yeah, what I really liked about McVeigh, I mean, the one quote was that essentially they feel like in-game he can change the most is that is that different than the praise of shanahan where the praise

for shanahan was like he understands our rules better than everybody else and tries to break them and he's running the same stuff out of like the same formation like that used to always be like a big chip kelly's thing it's like it's going to look the same but it's actually not going to be the same and that can be more confusing than trying to make everything look different all the time but i really enjoyed the one defensive coordinator just saying like mcvay from the beginning a game essentially to the end of the game, he'll deviate the most now of anybody that's installing an offense in game, which I think is probably one of the hardest things to do, and you've got to obviously trust your guys. Yeah, I agree. And I think part of that is,

you know, he has Matthew Stafford, too. You got to have a quarterback that's able to kind of execute your game plan when you're changing things. It's not always easy. So having that elite quarterback that is a veteran quarterback, I think that definitely helps with the adjustment too. Yeah, the Ben Johnson thing. Any hope for us Caleb Williams guys? Yeah, I mean, I think Ben Johnson, and we saw the lines really miss them too.

I mean, we could talk about the lines, but they really miss his play calling. They really miss his attention to detail. Let me interrupt you, though. Like, what is it about, because it did feel like the descriptions of the defensive quarters was like very different for the praise for Ben.

And whether it's marrying, run past stuff, We know the play action stuff with Jared Goff, although sometimes it's like, okay, but we can't just play action every single time. Like, we have to have the other part that they're afraid of. But, you know, there are certain routes. There are like routes that look like golf routes. Yeah. And I felt like there were Caleb throws that reminded me of golf throws. And then there were a ton of throws that looked nothing like golf throws or even the peanut guy.

So explain to me like what is different about the way Benjohn. and attacks than maybe a McVeigh or Shanahan. I think it's similar because they like a lot of play action. But I mean, obviously when you're working with the Lions group of skill players, which arguably is the best in the league, you know, it's going to look a little bit more explosive. I also think one thing that Ben Johnson gets a lot of credit for is his ability to just play to the strength of his guys. Like when you look at the Lions, they're very talented, but their players have very specific skill sets. Like Amman Ross St. Brown is a slot player.

He's very good at what he does, but he has a very specific skill set. James is a fast explosive player, but it's a very specific skill set. Jared Goff has a very specific skill set. And he's able to just create plays that's able to take advantage of those skill sets. And it comes together in a coherent system. system, which is hard to do. And I think right now, the lines have to kind of get back to that. And even though the offense is a little bit siloed, I think they're not doing what Ben Johnson did.

So I think for Ben Johnson, he has to kind of figure out what the skill sets for Caleb Williams is, Roma Dunzee, and kind of create that coherent system with the bears. And they're kind of figuring it out right now. What's special about O'Connell? O'Connell he loves going downfield like we just talked about the Jared golf offense where there's a lot of yak crossing routes and stuff like that but O'Connell likes to attack downfield so he's going to create these play action concepts where you're throwing down to seam you're throwing corner routes you're going and I think what O'Connell does really well is he's able to like create he's able to you can't

take away justin jefferson because of the way he he draws a place like he knows what your coverage is and he knows how to high-low them if you try to cloud jefferson um and attack the quarter side if you're putting too much attention on jefferson so just i think that kind of gamesmanship with knowing what you're going to do against his best player and just creating all these counters for it is what he does well anyone that was left off the list in leflurigan was six that you were surprised No, I don't think there was any surprise. You know, I thought maybe Kingsbury had a chance to get on the list. Maybe Joe Brady for his work with Josh Allen.

But I could see why they were left out of the top 10. But I think, you know, if Kingsbury continues to do what he does, he might end up being on the list next year. Not enough motion for the football nerds from Kingsbury. So I don't know. I don't know if that may be gotten in the minds. of some of the defensive coordinators here. Okay, last thought, because I think this is kind of fun.

Like, if there's a guy over the summer that you weren't thinking about and he pops up on film and then it's like, okay, week one, I have. So it could be a name. It'd be fun if it's not a name. Is there a summer guy from the film study that you went in with like all this excitement about it? Maybe that was paid off a little bit just one week into the season. Yeah, he's not like an unknown guy because he was the seventh overall pick,

Armand Membu, the right tackle for the Jets. man, he looked phenomenal against the Pittsburgh Steelers and T.J. Watt. Like, he came in, zero pressures, zero sacks allowed, was dominant in the run game. And, you know, like sometimes you have those games where you can look really good against an inferior opponent. But he's going against T.J. Watt. And T.J. Watt isn't what he used to be as far as, you know, a top elite pass rusher. But he's still a very, very good pass rusher. And there was a couple times where he panicked him.

So Armand Benbush came in, looked like a top 10 right tackle right off the bat. And like it's hard to do that at a premium position like that. So, you know, like he had some jump off the jump out of your seat moments in that game. So I'd be highly encouraged if I, you know, I was a Jets fan. Okay. Well said. I also thought your breakdown of the week one stuff. There was an Aaron Rogers thing where it's like, all right.

four touchdowns, the three off of play action, but then also it was, was it a bit of a warning how often the third down throws are short of the line of scrimmage? Because that's probably not something we're thinking about with him, right? Yeah. I mean, I think it's a good thing that he's allowing Arthur Smith to run the offense that he wants to run because play action and bootlegs and motion is all stuff that he did not like and kind of wanted to get away from when he left Green Bay and obviously it didn't work out for him. So it's a good thing that he's running the offense as is and he's kind of playing within the system.

But, you know, like if you look at the numbers, you look at, oh, it's four touchdowns. You think Aaron Rogers is back, but a lot of it was short passes, D.K. Metcalfe, creating after the catch, play action, getting guys wide open. One of his touchdown passes was basically a tap pass, which is kind of basically a handoff. So he played well through really quickly. through short of the sticks, that formula isn't always going to work week after week. So it still kind of remains to be seen if he could execute on third and long and that sort of deal. But it's a good sign for the Pittsburgh Steelers that he can run the system at a high level.

I just don't think that, you know, he's going to be the Aaron Rogers. People think he is just going to through four touchdown passes in week one. read ted on the athletic uh it's outstanding stuff perspective and then again his film breakdowns which i find are actually easy to read and then have better understanding as you prep up for another week of football uh thanks man talk soon no problem take me on okay let's talk fanduel we last year went sharp money couch um and it was a bad year for the sharps bad year for the house although anybody that does it for a living and then how much resentment they have towards the betting public When they do well, it's a little annoying.

So we tried to do something different. And then last year, I still think the Sharp number ended up coming in better than couch money research because fading the public wasn't really working last year either. I guess, again, I don't know a ton about this stuff, but friends of mine that do this were like it was a disastrous year on kind of fading the public on some of that stuff. So last year, the Sharp pick was the Browns for week one winner. This week, Sharps, because it's just an ugly-ass line. the Jets plus six and a half at home against the Buffalo Bills.

So you could always play bills. You know, the great thing is, as good as the Packers look and as good as any team, you know, the two or three, they're going to look great the first four or six weeks. Chances are these teams are still going to end up like four or five losses. So there's going to be some awful week in there, is just trying to figure out whether it's a matchup, whether it's an injury thing that people are a little bit more educated on that are paying closer attention to that stuff or just the momentum of the week-to-week survival of this league.

So the pick right now from the Sharps plus six and a half Jets at home against the bills. I'm going to give you three other picks that I like because they're all gross and you're just not going to like betting it. Atlanta opened it plus four and a half at Minnesota. It's now three and a half. I like Atlanta. The bears are plus six, plus six and a half, depending on where you're going to find it. I think it's plus six and a half right now on Fandul. So let me check that out as I scroll through.

Yep, six and a half looking at it this morning. So I like Chicago. We could talk about Ben Johnson going up against his defense, but it's a difference defensive coordinator. You could talk to Chicago and how bad it actually looked over the entirety of the game. So you're not going to like doing that. But there you go, Bears. And I like Carolina plus six and a half, opened it plus four and a half at Arizona.

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So, you know, the follow-ups have been so good lately that I feel like I've been starting. We have a little time, a little room on today's show. So I'm just never going to hesitate if we think we can be helpful here. So it's almost like community slash life advice. How are you guys, by the way? I'm back on track. If anyone was wondering, I was totally back. I was even able to wipe that fucking food off.

of wargons thank you note clean the office did my little three and a half miles today showered uh yeah i was showering at like four o'clock really threw my whole day off but yeah i'm back on track you're swearing a lot lately though what's that have you noticed i'm not necessarily like saying hey clean it up but you're i'm swearing a lot yeah like wednesday there was a while where i was on top of mind and i guess uh all right i'll add it to the list thanks way to take me down a notch If that's going to rattle you, you're softer than I thought. And I don't think you're soft. Noted.

Yeah. Right? I'm not even going to ask how Surrity's doing after that. Okay. Half-fish solution, we had a lot of these. Now, my least favorite content is probably we bathe something around for 10 minutes. And then somebody comes up to something super obscure. It's like, you know, I usually like the pod, but I cannot believe you.

And it's like, you know, somebody the other day was asking me if I'd read this book, And then they were like, I thought you were into history. And I was like, I am, but I have not read. There is a lot of it. Yeah. That's quite expensive. How far you want to go back. Yeah.

Like, you're North Korea, South Korea stuff sucks. Like, I agree. Because there's a lot of holes. I write to have a running list. Yeah. Your Ser Mary and the house is not out the date. Yeah. No, totally.

I've got a whole list of like, I just have a timeline starting from below zero and then up. And I just go like, okay, this is a massive gap. And then I just, you know, it's like a life to-do list. It's not like, hey, this week, I got to pick up dry cleaning. It's by the time you're 70, have better understanding of this. I just decided to know all the history. I just decided that. Yeah.

You know, like people think, like I know I think about what I would say in my deathbed a lot, which I know a lot of people do too. Huh. And I'm, I think I'll just be like, there's so many books I didn't finish. You would say that? Yeah. I'd be like, do you regret not having kids? of like I regret not finishing

all the Atkins and stuff whack. That's whack. It's a whack thing to say on your deathbread. It is kind of a douche comment. Noted. I'll put that on the to-do list. Got that down. The life.

I'm going to pen right here. Okay. You guys may have taken that a little too seriously. Anyway, yeah, probably. What do we got here? We got somebody from Target checking in. Now, look,

shout out to Target. I shop there. I don't know that they've ever been a sponsor. I don't know if they're going to love this email, but we just want to help everybody because we did have somebody kind of just chime in and, you know, like the karma police. Although sometimes when I think about karma,

I'm like, that guy's doing pretty well and he sucks. So I never know. Not a hundred percent hit rate, but, you know. Yeah. They're more like guidelines. It feels a bit like drafting quarterbacks in the first round. Great, great points, Rudy. So anyway,

Huge fan never miss an episode. I wanted to give some perspective as a long time target employee. I've run stores for a long time, and I can tell you that in this situation, again, we had somebody who picked up a TV, ordered it online, picked it up in person, had a bunch of kids, but they did the whole transaction, brought the TV home, set it up, and realized they never processed it right, and they refunded them for the TV. So he's like, what do I do? What do I do? and I think most people kind of knew what the move was. Even if you feel a little guilty about it. I do think if it's Dan and Debbie's home audio, that's where you have to step up and think about the small business.

So again, I'm not trying to sound like I'm running for mayor, but I just, I think everybody knows what the rules are, even if we don't like to admit it. And I'm not even saying that I'm admitting, right? So here's a guy who works and manages stores, and he's telling us basically the easiest thing for everyone is just keep the TV and pretend nothing happened. Target system sucks. And what happened here is an employee just didn't process your order correctly. Unfortunately, if you went up there to try to do the right thing, it would create mass confusion. You'd end up spending 30 plus

minutes explaining the situation of multiple people all the way up through stored management, but nobody would know what to do and you'd leave extremely frustrated. Literally, the only solution is just say you wanted to pay for a TV and leave it at the store. There are similar situations that happen all the time, similar to what Oregon, aka Wargon, described with Callaway. We've had people bring in their duplicate items. There's literally nothing the system can do. If the person just leaves it with us, we have to destroy it or donate it because it's a system

limitation. My advice is do exactly what Wargon said. Sometimes life works out, and sometimes you have to charge it to the game. Take the win. Side note, I wonder why all these massive, like it'll go into a Best Buy Target, whatever. I mean, Models was way down that list, too. It's like, why are all the computers like a full generation behind what everyone's using? And you have to, you have to do complicated stuff. And, you know, how many times have you heard like, yeah, the system's not cooperating

today? Like, well, that's all the system is supposed to do. I mean, you need a new system. Everything is like, you know, those big old clickety-clack keyboards. And it's like, how? How? Windows 97 is down again. Chick-fil-A's got iPads and you guys are using, you know, dial-up, basically. It's crazy. And the keyboard is literally like beige from just like years of staining on it. Yeah. It's like cigarette. The loudest thing you've ever heard.

It's like, how is this what you're doing to process of, you know, I'm supposed to return a basketball hoop? What the hell is going on here? Yeah. It feels like it feels like the same maybe excuse for the like the McDonald's McFlurry machine not working. Is it like is it not working or you just not want to really deal with the hassle of using machine?

Maybe that's the return. Yeah. I feel like Jimmy in it today. I know a lot of people talk about culture with those ice cream machines, but I was at a family farm in the middle of nowhere, Vermont this summer, just driving around. I went, you know what? I'm going to get a little soft serve. Mom and pop shop, locally owned, family.

They had a little car out in front of the farm. I'm like, look at me giving back to the community. I don't even care how much this cone costs. I'm like, I never get soft serve. I'm going to do it. I rolled up. She's like, it's not working. And I was like, you know what?

Another data point right here. Right. Extrapulate that. I do think department store keyboard beige would be an awesome crayon color. Whatever that is, it is, you're so right, Sir Rudy. It is a very specific with speckles of dirt and age. So look, the message here is an F for everyone. I hope that's clear. But, you know, we have a guy on the inside going, feel less guilty about that TV transaction. You ever buy something off of Amazon? And yeah, usually they're lower. We love Amazon. They're sponsors.

Yeah, but usually they're lower on the rung of like cost levels, but they'll just just be like, if you want to return it, they'd be like, yeah, just keep it. You know, like that. It's more of the hassle for us to take it back than it is for you to just, just take it. I bought a pair of sunglasses. Didn't really like the way they fit on my face. They were like, they were like, you know, under 20 bucks. And they were like, yeah, just keep it.

It's fun. Yeah, but it's, it's not always because my wife ordered this. I mean, I don't even want to say what it is. It was like a stupid thing. It cost like $4. They sent an empty, I'm not going to do it. They sent an empty, like, pack. There was nothing in it and the thing would only have been like, I don't know, like a couple of ounces in weight so I could see how it slips through the cracks or whatever, but they sent this empty package and I went to go like, say I never got it, but I did get the package and there was like no option. They were like, what do you mean? They're like, so just send it back. Like I'm saying there's nothing in the package and it was just like does not compute. And I was like, wow, Amazon who I've returned stuff to Amazon many times. But when they give you the package that's empty, no one knows what to do.

So there's an Amazon guy out there Let me know for next time And I wanted to leave it alone And my wife was like, no, no, no I'm not, we're not taking this $4 loss I'm like, I don't know where to go from here They're talking about maybe calling me And I can't I can't do that

I just don't like the clear SIM card cases, Kyle Yeah So um Hat solution should have thought of this one It's great So easy solution Take the guy to a sporting event Where they sing the national anthem

Saw that one. Has to take the hat off unless he's in the military. That's the kind of one where you're like, we need to do better. But that's it. I mean, again, iron sharpens iron. I don't know. I feel like we've got wax on the hat thing. But what do you mean?

I don't think, I feel like people don't always take their hat off. Yeah, I've been at the Dodgers seat, a couple caps still on when everyone stands up. I think that's accurate. I don't know if that's a generational thing or what's happening, to be honest with you. But sometimes you just forget. Like, I've had one on and just in the moment kind of forgotten. Just becomes a part of you after a while. Yeah.

Somebody taps you and you're like, oh, and you know, you generally feel bad. I mean, it is, I think, a very easy mistake. But the thing is, you've got people out there looking for it. Like they didn't even care. They didn't even notice when they had them starts. Like Tony Soprano in the restaurant. Right. Yeah.

Thank you. Like, I'm just cursed again. I'm making, I'm going to, these three hours are going to be awesome once I find like three guys. Right. that have hats hey you know and he just there's a way to handle it or whatever but if it's your date and he doesn't do it although you know no like if he served i don't know i mean uh unrelated unrelated did you guys see friendship yes loved it not yet paul rod tim robinson

have you seen the outtakes of that anywhere i saw the one the long one the guys like were Tim is in front of his drum set but that's the only one I saw yeah I think I've seen four of the outtakes from the drum set scene it was a Connor O'Malley's the other guy who was in Troiters with him and he's also you know I think he should leave he has one outtake where he's wearing a Vietnam vet hat and Tim is like hey what's that that hat he's like are you a vet he's like no I'm just a huge fan I think I have seen that he's like that's stolen Valor. He's like, it's not. He's like, guys think it's great. He's like, I bought it. The guys think it's good. Yeah, he's like, it's my favorite. It's so good. Anyway, shout out to

Connor. All right. A couple emails. What do we got? All right. Ruin new co-worker's life. 315, 10, 170 can bench 225, but rarely go that hard anymore. Well, if you have that mindset, will you ever go hard again? Just a thought. player cop is wizards paul pierce i rarely do anything but i still like to take the last shot i think he was still a call game box score plus to be honest with you it's after that wizard's run is when it started the old winshare 48 numbers took a pretty steep decline those last two years i started a new job in an investment firm last week i work in a mid-sized firm and there were eight other new hires that started with me as we wrapped up our first week of new hire training our hr rep hosted a fun game of company

Jeopardy. The HR rep is a young, energetic person who clearly hasn't had the life sucked out of her by corporate America yet. She was excited to introduce Jeopardy as this was the first time she had tried it out. The game, HR rep would ask a question. We would all click a buzzer that showed who raised their hand first. The game started and a 28, 29 year old man named, let's call him George, answered the first three questions right off the bat, not wanting to win, but not wanting zero points. I buzzed in during the next question a few seconds before the HR rep was done reading the question. I got the answer right, but I opened up Pandora's box.

George took my idea to the extreme and proceeded to buzz in as soon as each new question was clicked into. He proceeded to buzz in first for 19 of the next 21 questions. Boy, you really kept track. You hate this guy. An answer to them all halfway through George's personal game of jeopardy, the poor HR rep tried a quote, I hope someone else gets a chance to answer, but George was not deterred. You could see as George proceeded to squeeze the life and energy out of everyone from the group and from our HR host, the game was ruined and I've now decided to make George my mortal enemy.

Training will continue for the next few weeks, so I'll have plenty of time in my hands to annoy George as he annoyed me. What can I do over the next two weeks to make this guy's life hell? It appears he's married, so calling him a virgin won't work in this instant. Although he is married and still a virgin, it's probably going to sting double. Double whammy, yeah. Yeah. They're like, dude, I know. So he just gives you this stare of emptiness.

I'm thinking classic stuff like Steal and Lunch, shoot down every idea he has an overall undermine him in any way possible. Thank you for the many years of laughs and joy. Wow. It hates this guy. I think my question is, what if he got, did he get 19 right? I feel like he would have said if he got him wrong. He was keeping track. So it sounds like maybe he did.

I think don't do this. Usually those HR questions that are like pretty, you know, they're layups. It's like below you, you know, yeah. Should you punch someone at work? No. You're going to have plenty of time to hate this guy. Like, you're not even really in Gen Pop yet. There might be somebody you hate way more, and then you've got two enemies at work.

I mean, really, you should only have room for one guy you really hate, and I would just wait on this. Everyone else in that room saw what you saw, too. They might not be as fired up as you are. But, I mean, there might be someone when you're in the regular workings of work that you're like, wow, this guy's way worse, and now you've made two enemies. I don't know. I'd wait. Yeah, somebody sent me a training question. because we used to have to do this at Disney a lot.

It always turned to this classic, like, honor your guys never wanted to do it ever. I think some dudes even paid people to do it for them. And then some manager come running in and be like, you haven't done your last eight compliance things. Like, my job is to have takes, right? My job is to walk in. And when that light goes on, be ready.

It's like, not really you need to do these. So I would do them. Somebody sent me one from a recent training thing they had. And it was like, should you say this at work? Hey, you cause these problems yourself from what I can tell. It's crazy that anyone's qualified to write those questions. Like, every job needs it. It's like, you know, the highest of the highest managers are making sure this stuff gets answered.

And anyone can write those questions. It's crazy. I think I'd like to see a debate show where they go over HR training questions. And then there has to be a guy zagging and be like, okay, it is harsh, but it is to the point. And what if you're right? right make this work from what i can tell this is all on you 100% um well look if you got them right i almost think you got to leave him alone but for the sake of the email here um you have to bring in somebody else somebody else that you trust like whenever we used to have

to do anything related to any kind of corporate stuff and again on here people didn't really have to do this all that often but every now and then every now and then they load us all into a room And usually just Van Pelt and I, again, we were aligned because I'm on the same show, but we would have a lot of fun in those with eye contact. And then after like 30 minutes, I would usually tap out because it was just like Mike and Mike is the best. And then Colin would be like, I'm the best. And Scott and I would just sit there. And so I would just be like, are we sure? I would just get to the point of like 30 minutes of it

where I would just start asking stupid questions only to entertain Scott. So I think what you need to do here is you need to figure out a way it is not so much that you're ruining George's life because that seems a little harsh especially if he's just great and he understands his history.

Maybe there's no gaps whatsoever in his timeline. But if he's an annoying like go-getter, which maybe again maybe he deserves praise for that you probably need to invite somebody else in and just start asking ridiculous follow-ups to see if he'll answer those or something like that like i think you need to make this more entertaining for you and one other person because it's kind of psychotic to do it by yourself yeah and enjoy it and stealing the lunch you know i mean that's that's crossing a line like you know how bad it is when you're going you have this anticipation of this thing that you're about to eat in three or four hours and then it's not

there i mean that's a form of kidnapping really yeah it's it's really it's a little psychotic and no fun not as much fun to hate a guy in silent if then if you have like a partner so i'd wait and i'm to my earlier point i really think there might be someone else once you actually start working with everyone and you're done with training like you might hate that guy more and now you put all this energy into hating a guy that now hates you and now there's a new guy i think you should try to keep it to one mortal enemy so i just play slow slow play this i'd like to think that like our guy because there's a version

of this that's funny to me like where this guy just starts to rip it off 20 straight answers and takes this game so seriously like my first instinct wouldn't be to hate that guy he's a nightmare at softball yeah like I don't know like there's something kind of funny about it you know maybe there's something a little off about him or whatever and he might be

kind of a good dude to be around because he just doesn't really understand these cues I so I don't know maybe this guy this guy obviously knows a situation better than we do and maybe he has a huge tool and was just taking way too seriously and ruining everyone's fun, but I'm kind of with Kyle. Like, I don't know that you, I just, could he just leave it alone? I don't, like, what else?

I guess see if he does anything else that's more annoying. Like, you're still so early in the game that, like, maybe he's, maybe he's actually like a sick worker and, like, it's just looking to make friends. It could help you out down the road. Like, I don't know. I think I think it's going to be a Jim and Dwight situation, and that was funny, but I mean, this is real life. And there's probably other things that come from that that you're not thinking of.

But at that point, Jim, you know, Jim had other people that were kind of in on the thing. Yeah, and like, yeah, like, you need to do that first. agreed the meatball cold open wasn't that funny what just thinking about the office when jim would make meatballs and put him in dwight's desk and then stanley and dwight were like ha we're getting free meatballs yes all week you know like that's excessive i don't think anybody would make that many meatballs um yeah i mean look maybe maybe the email or we're I'm not giving enough credit here, just because if he's this worked up about it to send

an email, like maybe this guy, because there is a version of this guy who absolutely sucks, and this was the clincher for him. Like, there were other things that he didn't like, and then he goes and he does this, and he takes it super seriously. But, you know, a lot like a really great basketball player who decides it's beneath him to try heart, maybe that's what you are. Maybe you're amazing. You know, maybe you're in the pickup game of life. And you got these georgias trying really hard and boxing out and stuff. And you just know that you're more talented than him. And that's the win.

That's the win you take home with you every day. And you don't need to steal his food. Okay. Tone of today is weird. I don't know. Is it me? I'm getting a little of it. I don't know what it is.

Can't put my finger on it? Yeah. What do you think it is? Can we? I don't know. Is it bad? Do we need to turn things around? No.

Hey, it's third down. Let's try again. All right. I like that. Okay. Big third down here. Big third down. All right.

Let's go for it. Big third down. What do you do? I don't watch the game, but I tweet constantly. There's a big third down. I mean, like usually third, seven, third, and eight, fourth quarter, one score game. Those are pretty big. So I just want to make sure all 1,200 followers know.

What's up guys? He's checking in at 510. NFL. 510, 155. No gym stats. pickup cop to share, but I play a decent amount of golf and fluctuate between a 10 and 12 handicap. All right, man. The reason I'm emailing is I'm getting out on the links myself today, but the reason I'm

emailing is hoping the gang can settle a debate between my wife and me. We live in Columbus, feel free to use, too late. And we have what I would say is a fair to above average number of bikers, both recreational and those using their bike as a primary mode of transit. These bikers drive me nuts for a host of reasons. My wife believes that I have an unhealthy obsession and hatred towards bikers. I believe they've taken a seemingly innocuous and healthy hobby and completely ruined it with their disregard for others and our basic rules of the road, hoping you guys can help us out and settle this debate. My complaints are as follows.

We've got bullet points, buddy. The major loves dots. Complaint one, bikers think that the rules of the road do not apply to them. They love riding their bikes in the street like they're any old motor vehicle. You'd think that if bikers are going to pretend that they're a motor vehicle, they'd follow the same rules every car buys by. Well, I'm here to tell you this is rarely the case. so far I'm aligned with you and I've biked but yeah I mean stop sides lights and that stuff sidewalks doesn't apply to them but then as soon as they're on the road with you like I don't know

man stop size drop me a load that's what bike yeah if cars are lined up at a stoplight bikers love rolling past the line of cars to get to the front of line what's worse I don't know that he's supposed to like stay necessarily right in line on that one maybe I give him a pass on that what's worse most bikers arrive at the red light they look for cross traffic and if no one's coming they blow the red light and pedal right through the intersection I agree Bikers also slow down traffic because they rarely exceed 15, 20 miles an hour. Couldn't they use the uninhabited sidewalk

that is literally right next to the road? Well, no. No, you can't. I don't think you can. Like when I see, there was a car the other day. I mean, again, I don't know how this stuff pops up. There was full 10 speed going and he was on the sidewalk and a truck pulled into a gas station

and the biker slammed into the truck. It actually looked a little bit too like the bike. like wanted to hit the truck. It looked like he had plenty of time to slow down, but I don't know. I didn't have a radar gun on it. But, you know, that'd be the first thing as you would say, well, I didn't see you, but it's like, well, you were on the sidewalk. I'm sure that's the first thing a cop would say.

Bikers love to throw up their arms in dismay like James Hardin. What is is going to foul call, anytime a car passes them. Are we supposed to be late for our engagement because bikers want to get a little exercise in a nice sunny day? Complaint, too, a lot of biking enthusiasts dressed like they're climbing the Pyrenees. I'm totally for getting a good workout wearing appropriate attire, but did bikers really need to dress up like they're in the late stages of the Tour de France? Sound a little laterish year.

Sound a little laterish here. This could be an example of like make the one point and we're on your side. And then it's your own points are diminishing the impact of the overall point. If a college student or delivery driver can bike in regular everyday clothing, why can't other bikers? Well, look, I'm not telling you, I've got a ton of biker gear in the closet. it but if they want to wear it you know whatever when resistance ever heard of it before i rest my case i'd like to present a photo of a biker going 17 miles an hour and a 35 mile an hour road as you can

see in the picture there's an actual bike path right next to the road but this phil has decided not to use it yeah that's what i was going to ask columbus i would think there's bike lanes college town a lot of stuff going on i would think there's bike lanes and like you know 70% of the places tell you where there's bike lanes now boston i cannot believe what they did with that city. Really? Not my city. Unbelievable.

I follow, I don't know, I don't follow this guy, but I keep seeing, I think it's the same guy who basically rides around in the bike lanes in New York City with a GoPro. And New York City, I think like bike lanes are no, it's just like a free-for-all. Almost cursed to, I stop myself. But it's just a free-for-all. And he just, he just does a super cut of him in the bike lane and just, you know, old ladies with a little grocery cart, like getting ready. to step off the curve and he's like wow that's a great place to stand and it's like a

you know it's like 10 minutes i've seen it i don't fuck that guy people i know yeah i don't i've seen that guy's content and it's like you know you're going i mean good for you if you could pedal fast for that long but i've seen his stuff and and look the motorcycle stuff is like the all time we've already covered that but like there's these biker pages where they're constantly showing how the people driving cars are at fault and like they may be at fault but if you're splitting lanes where it's legal and it's traffic, do you know how much trust you have in hundreds of people to be able to just think, hey, I wonder if as I change lanes here, if somebody potentially be splitting traffic. And if you're a biker, you're like, well, hey, if it's the rule,

then it's somebody you have to think about. But you're just, you're denying like the human nature element of, am I going to remember to think about this other layer of traffic that is not always something I'm thinking about. So that biker guy that I've seen from New York City, like, clearly the content is him fucking with everybody. So I think he kind of knows what he's doing. But yeah, look, I think the overall point, I'm with the emailer here. But, you know, have you ever been on a bike where somebody doesn't give you a little bit of room to pass? It's a horrifying feeling. Like, when somebody's just a foot away from you on the left, like you think you're going down. Yeah. When I was on the live scooters before I got the stang. What happened to those?

Anybody get any stock? What do you get a stock price? there's way i think something must have happened there must have been some sort of cap put on at least in los angeles there are way less or maybe the demand went down um COVID probably you know those are the ones you just like leave wherever and you leave wherever and old people like to knock them over in protest and there's just then there's just there's just like fucking scooters all over the street in these there are there looks there looks dumb it's dumb there are that's had to that had to have been the deal because it's over it's already over i was in austin in 2019 for like peak lime scooter season and it was like locust it was it looked like scenes from like the terminator of just metal everywhere

right when they jump ahead on the timeline and i'm thinking like what is there's a junkyard over here be like no it's just all the scooters and then there was that awesome long form people i don't know if it was the LA times or what but it was just about these guys that go trying to find there's like rewards for the ones that are left like a non normalized drop-off areas and so there would just be these vans that were just these bounty hunters except two in the morning jump in your fence yeah yeah like this world like these dudes just hunting down these scooters and then however it would work for the compensation you're like four bucks a scooter it was it was wild so i don't know if that had something to do with it but i'm i don't know man it's you kind of feel like was there a short

potential on this one because it's like what city's going to be like yeah it's cool there's just scooters a strewn right yeah strewn across it was a classic like there's not a law against this yet so it's like let's get in now you know pedal to the metal and then i think eventually you know local governments we're like all right we got to do something let's put something on paper here because like west hollywood i think it was either west hollywood yeah it was west hollywood was the first like borough or whatever you want to call it first little city in la to ban it so it would like you you get if you're going to west hollywood you just crossed that the city limit and it just your scooter just stopped.

And so there was a bunch of scooters on the city limit of West Hollywood because they had something on their little map. But it's like, you know, I think it was like one town at a time sort of deal, less a state got together and did it. Yeah, it's a perfect example of kind of like the Chipotle, you know, stealing a hot sauce. Oh, bringing that back. Yeah, like you want to trust people to like put the scooters like at least on the side or stand them up on a fence somewhere out of the way and then it just never ends up.

Everyone ends up seeing that they're just in the middle of the crosswalks and something. Well, they did. Well, they did. And then I would, I mean, I saw videos and even in my own neighborhood. I just see like, it was always an old person who just couldn't understand it. And they were like in protest of the scooter being on the sidewalk, I'm going to knock it into the street. It's like, wait, so we have, it's like a two-tiered screw up here. It's like people are riding like a-holes and leaving them all over the place.

And then the old people who hate those people are now throwing them into the street or like knocking them over on the sidewalk. So it was just a bad system. I'm looking up a bunch of stuff right now. It seems like a bunch of places past laws. And then it may have been a bit like Uber in the beginning. Remember, like the first time somebody introduced you to Uber? They're like, yeah, it's way cheaper and the cars are here. And you don't have to tip.

And it was like, just give me a taste. Just give me a little bit of taste. We'll give the entire world a little taste. And then we're going to hit him with the real price. So I don't know if that was part of it too. I guess the company, I don't even know if any of this is true. But there's no stock price, by the way. I never went public.

I will say, too, off of the, the GoPro dash cam thing. It does, it does feel like some of those videos, like the people are just looking, like, it's content. So the people are looking for a reason for someone to hit them or to, you know, to create bullshit. Call up Morgan and Morgan. Yeah. Get that thing going. Yeah. You know, like, there's some dash cam stuff where it's just like, okay, you're like, you know, like this doesn't, this feels like it's too convenient to be actually

true, you know, so I don't know. I know dash cams are good. I mean, people say to get a dash cam because you never know, like, you know, if somebody hits you and there's no, there's no witnesses, like obviously you'll have evidence, but it does feel like people just use those sometimes to, I don't know, just create good content for whatever fee they're trying to curate. War God, I don't know, I know you don't have a ton of square footage, but you got a bike on the wall? You bike around New York? I can see that. I'm too afraid to bike around New York. Oh, to be a good person. Very nice. Just like people are running red lights all over the place. There's people jaywalking.

Like, I have some friends who have gotten her. Like, it just doesn't seem worth it. Yeah. Did you see QuickSilver? You need some exercise. Go run, dude. What was that? Did you see the movie Quicksilver with Kevin Bacon when you were a kid or something?

No. Like, man. Don't know what that is. Notting. Notting. Get to perform me. Eighty-five. Yeah, but it's Kevin Bacon.

I think that'll do it. I don't know. I don't know what the tone was today. I don't feel like it was bad. I just settled for a field goal. It's all right. You'll take it. Yeah, but see, that's on me.

I'm the one calling place. I'm the one dropping back. I'm not going to blame my receivers. Nice. You're the offensive coordinator and the quarterback in this scenario? Yeah. Okay. Anyone who wanted to dispute it?

No. No. We did see the war. tackle video. Holy shit. How does that win an Emmy, man? I did. It won a Mid-Atlantic Emmy. Oh, Mid-Atlantic. Collegiate, collegiate Mid-Atlantic.

Really? God, there's a lot of Emmys out there. I have no idea. There's a lot of them. He wouldn't, Wargon would not lie to us. He's a lot of things. Did you get the statue? It was, no, give me a statue. You'd pay like a hundred bucks for that? I don't think they sent me an email

about it. I don't think there was like a statue or anything. Yeah, okay. You have a sticker? this is kind of crazy though wargons got an Emmy yeah the only Emmy on the show we should have to do an episode yeah I mean I don't I would never be nominated for anything

stuff I've done come on a webby something nothing now whenever I've seen like any awards for that stuff it's usually like I would say there's a very consistent pattern of if somebody from a magazine or newspaper writes about their favorite like radio shows or podcasts you'll see the list the best sports podcast list yeah and you'll go it's like i haven't

heard of most of these okay yeah bs pod won an emmy arrow webby right before i got on and i was like well i definitely missed it tate has the statue in his in his uh in his uh his house and i was like damn definitely missed the train they're probably not going to double back i think i got an email once about, like, hey, you know, fill out this form. Dude, those webis. They are. Yeah, for, Bill Simmons has been nominated. Fill out this form, whatever, blah, blah.

I think I asked Bill about it. It was like, it's like four months. It's four months of last chance to pay 500 bucks to be on the list. And they're just like, you know, it's almost like a collection plate. It's like I've just unsubscribed and somehow they keep getting at me. Last chance. Like, I thought you said the last chance was four months ago. Like, yeah, but if you do want to pay 500, we'll squeeze you in.

That's the thing. If you have to pay money to win an award, at what point is that just like a participation trophy? Well, I don't know. Mr. Olympia, there's probably an entry fee. All right, that's fair. But I don't know. Got to keep the lights on, I guess. You're saying webbies are different.

You probably will. Yeah. I think we end on that. No, we found a way. We found a way. All right. Thanks to Wargon. Thanks to Sirudy.

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