The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Todd McShay and Daniel Jeremiah Compare Mock Drafts and Fake NFL Trade Scenarios, Plus NBA Story Line Rankings

Episode Date: April 14, 2022

Russillo talks about Miles Bridges, the Timberwolves, young NBA defenders, and more (0:27). Then Ryen is joined by ESPN’s Todd McShay and NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah to discuss their respective NFL mock drafts, possible draft-day scenarios, the scouting process for draft prospects, and more (15:51). Finally Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (56:00) Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Todd McShay and Daniel Jeremiah Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Alcohol and select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. I have something new that I want to do. Their NBA playoff power rankings. You're thinking, hey, Ryan, are you going to rank all the playoff teams, the power rankings? That's going to get kind of stupid. Yes, that would get stupid.

That's not what we're doing. We're just going to rank stuff because people love ranking stuff. We're going to rank different storylines, different observations because we're only four games in in the technically not playoff portion of the NBA season, the play-in season part of it. But let's run through it. Number one of the power rankings, celebrations, or at least celebration arguments.

Timberwolves went off with their win against the Clippers. Emotional win. One point there. I was like, I think the Clippers might pull this off. D'Angelo Russell was terrific late. Anthony Edwards, little reminders for maybe a national audience that hasn't always watched him all the time. Be like, oh, this is why you guys really like him. Because he has moments where you just go, I can't believe this dude.

And what he does after a very disappointing game for Carl Anthony Towns, fouling out and all the foul trouble that he had. We'll get to that a little bit later. But there's a divide and I know where I stand on it because I've said the story before and I went on part of my take this week and kind of talked about it in more depth. But after I worked for the Trenton Thunder in 2002 and being around baseball players every single day and realizing that they're not as up or down as we are as fans about the outcomes. It's really one of the greatest learning experiences I've ever had

throughout my entire career. I think it actually kind of set a foundation for how I saw sports and how I would talk about them for the next 20 years. Uh, incredible experience. That part of it, I've talked about the rest of it. It wasn't a great job, but the point is, is that originally I used to be like, why are you celebrating a wild card? Like, this is stupid. Wait until the point is, is that originally I used to be like, why are you celebrating a wild card? Like, this is stupid. Wait until the end. As if everybody was supposed to be like militant and single-minded and focused. You could never enjoy any of it unless you were actually winning everything.

And that sucks. That sucks for fans. If you're in that building in Minnesota and it's feeling great and you have this comeback win and Pat Beverly's going crazy, you know, in that moment, why would you tell thousands and thousands of people to not feel that way? Remember, this is a franchise, the Timberwolves, that have won one playoff game since 2005. Not a series. One playoff game. I think it was that Jazz series. They lost 4-1.

So one game, and this wasn't even it, but now you're in playoff so we'll see what happens i'll admit was there a pat beverly element to it where i'm like all right dude you went two for eight with seven points but it was emotional for him because it was revenge he wanted revenge on the clippers because he felt like the contract offer was disrespectful they flipped into memphis which then flipped into minnesota and by the way does that mean memphis he's going to be the same way against them because he's going to want payback, payback revenge

because he didn't actually play for them. But I also think, Pat, the last time we saw him in the playoffs, he was shoving Chris Paul after Paul cooked him, and he was just mad. He was just mad at another player and pushed him because he was mad about it. And I remember the Clippers being like, yeah, we're probably done with you. So I don't think it was all on the Clippers not evaluating the right way or being disrespectful. I think they were just good and ready to move on from Pat Beverly, but good for Pat Bev, good for the Timberwolves. I do think that all successful teams need somebody that kind of lives on the edge. I

think technicals are generally selfish plays by players, especially if you do it all the time. To me, Beverly's for the most part out of control throughout a lot of these games but i do think you need some of these personalities not that everybody's the same but golden state needs draymond's personality they need his personality because i think the other guys are kind of passive generally i think mark is smart when he's not taking bad threes and when he's playing point guard which he has been in this turnaround he's been terrific and great defense on top of everything else even though i think he pushed the line and is at times dirty and i don don't always love the flops. I actually hate anybody that flops. They need his personality. I think Miami, like as much as I don't, it's kind

of funny that a lot of these players seem to fall in the same category for me. Lowry is one of my least favorite players to watch, but I think you need somebody that has his kind of just combative attitude the entire time. So if you have a very passive emotional team, it's not impossible for you to win, but I think that's why a guy like Matt Barnes stays in the league for such a long time. Number two in the power rankings, new defenders. I think everybody got a little sample, a little puff of Herb Jones last night.

Not on Herb. T-shirts in New Orleans. Really enjoyed those. Liking my hands on one. Um, he is dynamic. He is all over the place. Uh, I have them on my all rookie teams, which I'll get to some of my voting. I'm not going to go through the whole thing.

It'll be available for people to ridicule at some point. Um, but Jones, you know, this is kind of the cool part about the playing game is that let's face it. I mean, a lot of, a lot of people, and I'm not blaming anybody for this, but you're learning about some of these players for the first time because they're playoff, whether it's the plan or then playoff games, because you're just,

you're more into it. I mean, there's more eyes on this stuff. So to see a rookie like Herb Jones assigned to top perimeter players throughout and how, how versatile a defensive player is. It's a lot of fun. And I'm even going to give Jaden McDaniels some credit here too,

for the Timberwolves. I know that Paul George's final numbers in that game, I think he's 34-7-7. So you're saying, wait a minute, Paul George had 34 points. If you go back and watch, not that anybody's going to do this, if you watch Paul George try to dribble

past McDaniels, he had a really hard time with it. I mean, Jaden stood him up a bunch of different times. Jaden needs to improve his three-point shooting. It was 36% last year, 31% this year, but his free throws went from 60% to 80%. So I look at like Jaden McDaniels is that just perfect three and D and also a very good example of a young player changing who he is. I was talking with somebody the other day where I said, you know, Nick Claxton was a really weird evaluation because he was a wing guy or wanted to run the offense and play

small forward and dribble the ball up for Georgia. I'm not saying bring it up all the time, but you get the point. And now he's kind of like in that Clint Capella role, although I don't think he provides as much resistance at the rim. But you get it, like dunks and rolls and cuts. Stay active, make it tough to rebound. And you're like, all right, this is cool.

Like, this is not who he was. If you watch McDaniels at Washington, I mean, he was initiating more of their offense he's never going to be asked to do that with minnesota instead of forcing the issue he's found a role and i thought there were some really nice defensive possessions where you saw paul george was really frustrated trying to get past him okay number three in my power rankings vote angst it'll go down after this probably won't be ranked next week i have all my votes in we put it in it was uh like i said a lot of fun to be able to get to do it and talk with Simmons about it

on Sunday's pod. We went through basically everything. It was really, really difficult. I can't imagine if Durant played a full season if you throw him into the mix as the fourth guy deserving of MVP. I'm not going to go over all the Embiid-Yokut shit. We've done it forever now. I had two votes that I still don't feel great about

and it came down to Butler or Siakam for the final forward spot on my third team ballot. I went with Butler. There are great arguments for both. And it's one of those where you put it in and you go, I don't feel great about this, but that's the whole point. There's like 50 things that we're filling out. You're not going to, I don't care who you are, or at least you shouldn't be done with it. Go, yep, nailed it. Nothing, nothing debatable here. And some of the defensive player of the year stuff was really tough because I think there were a lot of worthy guys.

And there's also stats. There's reputation. There's a lot of ways you can go with defensive player voting where you can make mistakes. And I'm just going to trust what I've seen over the course of the season. Not to say I eliminated all these other things.

And the coach of the year, forget it. Coach of the year is a whole nother level. There's like eight guys that I could have put in there and felt good about it, but you had to only vote for three. Number four on my power rankings, Miles Bridges. Oh, does Ursulo have him down because

through his mouthpiece of the guy who's talking shit to him as he went out of the tunnel and he hit a 16-year-old girl in the head with the mouthpiece? No. He's up in my power rankings. You want to know why? I love Miles Bridges. I love how he immediately was accountable for it last night. Was like, hey, look, that's on me. Unacceptable.

We know intent. Intent doesn't get enough credit anymore. Like, what was the intent of what the person said? What was the intent of the act? His intent wasn't great. Probably should be throwing a mouthpiece at somebody and ended up hitting somebody else. She didn't seem like it was going to ruin her night. And he immediately was like,

hey, who is she? I need to reach out. I need to apologize. He'll get fined. I don't know if it gets suspended or not. But the reason I bring up Miles Bridges and the reason I've always liked him so much is that he was asked, it might have been by a local reporter.

He didn't make all rookie first or second team his rookie year. And it was presented as if, you know, hey, how do you feel about getting snubbed? Not making first or second team all rookie. And Bridges goes, quote, I didn't get snubbed. I played like ass all year. As soon as he said that, I go,

this is a guy I would want on my basketball team. So because he said that, it makes me think I get a sense of who he is. He did something he didn't love last night in their loss to Atlanta. So to me, Miles Bridges is actually going up in our power rankings although they're eliminated so

we're not 100% sure of where this is going staying with the Hornets for a bit here I went on local Charlotte television last night yes I did and like any local fan base when the team doesn't do well everybody wants the coach I don't

know that everybody I'm not super locked into the Hornets blogosphere, but it kind of blew my mind. It was like, wait, you guys think Borrego should be fired throughout all this? I went through it. They haven't had a real center in four seasons. Plumlee's a backup. Zeller's a backup. Their last good

center was Dwight Howard. They didn't have Gordon Hayward. He's their highest paid player. That's what happens when you go super max, and it isn't really super max for Gordon Hayward, but it felt like it. And you're like, wait, what are you going to pay this guy to bring him in?

And the reason you do that is because you're the Hornets and you're not really going to get any of the other guys, the top tier guys, maybe only second tier guys, maybe not even the second tier guys, right? So I get why they've done what they've done, but I don't understand why they haven't been able to get a serviceable center, something that's a bit more of an upgrade. And you can say, well, hey, they had Deombo and now looking at both Phoenix. Yeah, that's right.

Cause he's playing with Chris Paul. All right. There's this pretty common theme here. What happens with bigs when they get to play with Chris Paul? So I don't understand that one. And I also realized how unpopular the Nash hire for theets was in certain circles of the NBA discussion space. If you're going to tell me his rotations aren't good, you need to tell me exactly what it is about his rotation. So you don't like, you got to tell me exactly what it is because it becomes this vague, repeated thing where it's like, ah, I don't know, man, in game adjustments. Okay. Which adjustments that he's made. you not like? Be specific because no one ever seems to be. I'm sure there's some out there that don't like. If you watch your team 82 games,

you'll see some stuff you don't like. I don't care who's coaching. It'd be Pat Riley back there. But if you're telling me Nash is a good coach because of in-game stuff while giving him zero credit for having the disposition to get the Nets through this bullshit of the last two years, which has been a lot of it, you got to give them credit for that as well. Number six, almost finished here. Number six, the under 25 rankings up on ESPN.com. Three guys put this together. Three guys that I respect.

Bobby Marks, Mike Schmitz, Kevin Pelton. This ranking is crazy because I went into it. I'm like, okay, and I'll admit like you, I go, all right, what am I not going to like? Top five, Luca, Tatum, John Morant, four, Trey Young, five, Lamello. Lamello feels a little high for me on that one. But for the most part, you're like, okay,

yep, that makes sense. You keep going. Cade Cunningham was six. Zion still seven. I would put Zion behind a few guys now at this point. Bam's eight. Darius is nine. Shea Gildress, Alexander, 10.

Anthony Annenberg's 11. I guess I'm reading the whole thing. Ingram, 12. Scotty Barnes, 13. Tyrese, 14. Mobley, 15. That feels low. Miles Bridges, 16.

Desmond Baines, 17. Jaron Allitt, 18. DeAndre Ayton, 19. Ayton was 11th on one ballot and not on the other one, which doesn't make any sense to not be on it. I'd be more likely to put him at 11. Tyler Hero, 20. Jalen Green, 21. De'Aaron Fox, 22. John Collins, 23. Tyrese Maxey, 24. Jaron Jackson, 25, which seems ridiculously low. I don't think there's any version of this where I would have Jaron Jackson behind Tyler Hero, but that's the point

is that it's really hard to do when you're going ahead and voting and ranking all of this stuff. So top 25, under 25 rankings, we have sixth in my rankings. The final one. Oh, by the way, I was looking at the preseason rankings because I got in this wormhole of it. They had Bradley Beal. Again, this is ESPN.com. They had Bradley Beal, 11th best player in the NBA going into this season. So these things can get a little weird every now and then. Final thing, Lakers topics. We have them dropped to seventh in our power rankings. They're probably not going away this offseason, folks. Just a little bit of a warning. The Mark Jackson thing to the Lakers, as much as I want to have it happen, just for obvious reasons, I would warn everyone that I wonder if because Mark Jackson is the clutch client in this that LeBron James is doing what he thinks is like

the impressionable power move where he says that he wants Mark Jackson so that somehow another owner would be like, wow, if LeBron wants him, then we should hire him. When in fact, he doesn't want him to be his head coach. Just a theory. Wouldn't shock me. Those are your power rankings.

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Two weeks ago, before the NFL draft gets started, and two of the best in the biz guys we've had on a lot, very fired up about this NFL network, Daniel Jeremiah and from ESPN, Todd McShay. So we're going to have both guys on and run through a bunch of stuff. OK, so looking at the top four now or top five, it appears that both of you have the same top five. So Hutchinson won Walker, the defensive end of the Georgia, who seems to be moving up a lot of the mocks now. Walker, the defensive end of the Georgia,

who seems to be moving up a lot of the mocks now. Number two, Kayvon Thibodeau at Houston. Number three, and the Giants both taking Icky out of NC State. But you have Garrett Wilson, Todd, and then you have Sauce Gardner, Daniel. So I guess just right there, like, are you both starting to feel not so much based on the mock and talent that there's becoming more of a consensus as we get closer to the top of the draft? I want Daniel's mock draft draft i want to i want to redo i uh no i i think i think sauce gardner makes a lot

of sense there i i struggle with this daniel i'm curious with your thoughts like we we all know that they're looking for the jets are looking for a wide receiver yeah do you wait do you wait until 10 to take one and maybe you get the second guy on your list, whether it's Garrett Wilson, Ohio State, Drake London, USC, or do you just take that guy at four, but then maybe pass up a pass rusher like a Trayvon Walker if he's available out of Georgia, Kayvon Thibodeau out of Oregon, or Sauce Gardner if you've had it in your box. I kind of struggled with that.

It makes more sense, and that's why I said I want to redo. It makes more sense to get the receiver at 10 and take a player that maybe is rated a little bit higher. Yeah. The interesting thing is Rosilla gave us homework. So I went back through and was looking through yours and I was like, you know what, the more I look at it, we've been talking about this a little bit over the last week or so, I'm coming more to your side of the table. So you can't come to my side of the table because I'm looking at it and I'm sitting there saying, all right, whoever you take it for, whatever you take it for, you're crossing your fingers and toes at 10 for somebody to get to you. And I just thought with

where they are as an organization, with Zach Wilson needing to take the next step, what would you feel worse about? Would you feel worse if you, if you, you know, take an edge rusher corner at four and then somehow those two receivers, I think we're on the same page here that we, we have kind of those as the top two guys, if Wilson and somehow now Drake Leonard are both off the board. I mean, I think you'd feel sick to your stomach at 10. Um, whereas if you take Wilson or London at four and somehow an edge rusher didn't get you like my guy at that point

in time, probably like Jermaine Johnson, you're probably hoping that he gets to you to give you that edge rusher or some miracle happens in sauce garden or where to get down there to 10. Um, but if you, if you got, if you got picked clean there, you could still come back and get a rusher at the top of the second round or what have you. I just think when you look into the future a year from now, if Zach Wilson takes the next step, and they still aren't winning a ton of games, but he takes the next step, I think everybody stays. If he doesn't take the next step, then all bets are off. All right, so what else did you like about Todd's draft?

Because I'm definitely going to ask you both what you don't like because that'll be more interesting but we'll start here i i just went positive man i i i like that one the uh the chargers one i thought was interesting just because he had zion johnson he had a trade there uh but then after the trade zion johnson going to the chargers and i think you know doing their doing their games i think some people you look at that right tackle hole and it was on display against Max Crosby at the end of the year, but you've got Matt Filer at left guard who played right tackle at Pittsburgh. So if they wanted to, they could take an interior lineman,

plug Zion in at left guard and you could kick Filer out to right tackle. And you could say, you got, you know, you've got a really, really good offensive line there at that point in time. Yeah, I actually went through it last night a little bit too based off our homework assignment. I like Trelon Burks. I know it's down a little bit in terms of the first round, but Trelon Burks to the Cardinals I think would make a lot of sense.

I really like that fit. You lose Christian Kirk in the off season, they've got outside receivers. Now you bring in a big slot who's very different in terms of his play style and his size than Christian Kirk, but provides a lot of the same things in terms of being in, he's most comfortable working the slot. He's a big receiver who yes, can get vertical and can make some plays on contested catches but what he does best is after the catch with his vision his run strength and and his build-up speed you know he's a tough one man i remember listening to you daniel at the um at the combine and talking about like some people think you could run the four threes some people think you could be a four five five guy and he ran a four or five, five. And honestly,

based off the tape, that's about where I thought he would be. But then you get like, you know, the, when he was registered at, uh, what was it?

22.6 miles an hour, whatever the number was, it would have been faster than anyone was measuring. It was on that 91 yard screen pass against George Southern where he took off and he has that buildup speed. So when he gets that top speed top speed it's a little bit faster than 4-5-5 but regardless I like that pick I thought

the Cardinals getting in that offense they really need to have four quality receivers I believe with the tempo that they want to go and how they're rotating guys in and out and just the three and four receiver sets they run. So I think getting another weapon there is going to be critical.

You touched on Trelon Burks. If you watch those games, there's beyond just the measurables and the production, there's some badass in there too. Like, hey, let's go up. You guys need me to make a play on third down? Like, just make sure the ball is over here. It got me thinking about part of the homework assignment, which you now referenced seven times because it was a lengthy text. DK Metcalf was a body. We saw him. Everybody fell in love with

him. And you're like, okay, well, wait, how come he's going 64th? And I think probably the frustrating part of your jobs, and I don't know where you both had him. Maybe I remember Todd a little bit more. It's like, hey, he's a second round guy, a little limited in the route running. It's not all there. And then it's like, Hey, everybody was wrong. And you're like, well, was everybody wrong? Or did he expand or they not, they not use him? Because I keep hearing some of these Berks Metcalf comps.

And I think like, well, wait, I understand it from the physical part of it. Even though DK is kind of like in his own tier, the production. And I think that the versatility as receiver, like Berks is kind of like in his own tier. The production and I think the versatility as a receiver, like Berks is shown more at Arkansas than we saw from DK in college, right? I think it's tricky, though. I think it's tricky because with

DK, he had a neck injury. So if he doesn't clean medically, he goes in the first round. A lot of teams had issues with that. So that's why he fell i think he was like my 16th or 18th player or something like that in that draft so that was a big part of why he fell the other thing was i think people got in you know it's easy to do it i do it all the time but you sit there and focus on what a guy can't do it's like okay he can't really drop his weight can't

get in and out of breaks i'm like i don't care you can't nobody can run with him he's bigger and faster than everybody else on the field and you saw that and where todd was talking about with burks where it looked more build up speed which is was evident at the combine he's a he's a mid four five guy that has tremendous top speed once he gets there you felt dk metcalf off the line um he separated he was just a different style of guy. And, you know, Burks, I think, has got the potential to be a more versatile route tree guy to be able to do more things. But they didn't ask him to run a wide variety of routes in that Arkansas offense either. It was a lot of quick hitters, bubbles, you know, get the ball in his hand, vertical routes. You don't see as many opportunities for him to really run comebacks and different things like that. So I love him as a prospect of what he's going to be,

and he had a ton of big play production there, but it's going to be a little bit different in terms of what he's going to be asked to do at the next level. I'll say this too. I mean, as DJ well knows, character and durability are the two things that frighten you in the first round. Cause you can't miss on those picks yet. You know, about 40% of the first round picks wind up not playing up to the level that you would, you would expect.

So the two things that can knock you down is durability and character. And with DK, the neck injury was the biggest thing as you mentioned. And then what you saw on tape as you referenced it, not a break, is he just a nine route guy? Is he just a vertical receiver? And then he runs, what was it, like three cone was like 7-3-2 or something? It was terrible.

And his short shuttle was terrible and it just, so it added to that narrative, if you will, that he's not a guy who's going to do much more than provide a vertical presence and win the balls in the air. So, you know, that's why he fell. But, you know, just looking at this class, and I don't know, DJ, if you agree or not, I mean, there are some questions with Kayvon Thibodeau and does he love ball and where's

the violence and passion in his play consistently? And Stingley, Derek Stingley, the cornerback from LSU, in the last two years, only 10 games played, the Liz Frank injury. And then watching him in multiple plays, just kind of turning down contact, changing his pursuit angle so he wouldn't get in the mix, things like that. But there's not as many major durability issues. David Ajabo, obviously, with the Achilles injuries, is probably the biggest,

most impactful. And then you've got the two Alabama wide receivers who are going to fall a little bit because of it. But I don't think maybe it's, you know, everyone said when John Meche had his knee injury,

he's going to be a third rounder. I don't think he gets out second at this point. I think I might be with you on that. Yeah, and Jamison Williams, you know, everyone's like, oh, well, he'll be lucky to, you know, late for, like, right after the injury. He could fall out in the first, late first.

Now I'm hearing he could go in the top 10 or top 15 picks. So this year's class, we've been fortunate that there's not that many significant injuries or character issues that are knocking guys down. There's no smoking gun. There's no smoking gun. There's no smoking gun. Sorry, Ryan. Yeah, there's just some guys you're like, oh, this is a

deal breaker, you know, character wise or medically off the board. Got to move on. There's some down the line, like, you know, day three guys that I've heard some stuff on, but I have not got anything in

any of my conversations that were like, no, this is a do not touch. OK, perfect segue. You guys are on it because I'll use an example. Um, when I'm doing NBA draft stuff, we're talking different people and you'll ask about lottery pick and I'll hear like every now and then, I don't know, man, like it's not so

much him, but the people around him, you know, it's, it's kind of a warning and I'll keep track of those things. And I swear there's plenty of guys that flamed out cause they weren't good players and it had nothing to do with the people around them. There's players that have had great people around them and they flamed out. And there's guys that supposedly had the worst people around them and they may still have, and then they end up making multiple all-star teams. So when you start looking, and I do think the basketball culture is a little bit different than the football culture because the players are younger, they're coming in. You go through the college part of it three years in, you're probably weeding out some people. I look at

Jeffrey Simmons. We know what was on him at Mississippi State. There's a video I'm getting part of it three years in you're probably weeding out some people um i look at like jeffrey simmons okay we know what was on him at mississippi state there's a video i'm getting the altercation of a woman that was defended as as well wait he was he was defending his mother i'm not debating what the whole thing was he's one of the most disruptive defensive linemen in the entire league and he still went in the first round he would have gone higher i remember you even dj saying at some point like this guy might end up being the best player out of this entire draft. Where are you both with the draft part of the evaluation

and your front office part of it where you go, there's certain things that we don't want in our building, but there's also a lot of success stories on the field from players that have some shit on. Go ahead, Tom. I'll say this. remember with simmons and i don't know that until you got i remember with simmons talking to people at the school talking to other scouts who had done 15 months of due diligence he was like the best guy on the team it was just a bad incident and he he got carried away i think it was his mom or it was a family member

might have been his sister i can't remember um and it i mean and you can't take away what he did but prior to that incident and after that incident he was like he was a model citizen great guy a leader and all those so you have to factor everything in i guess is my point and there are some guys like davanteae Wyatt has an off the field issue, but you know, I'm looking at it right now. I can read the whole thing, but just with an incident that happened. So you just bottom line have to dig into who the person is and figure out what, what you're getting. I think that's the most important part.

And like we said before, there's not a lot of guys, at least in the first couple of rounds where it's like, do not touch, you know, sometimes it's like, all right, off the board, but there's not a lot of guys in this class, which is, which is makes it better. I mean, ultimately what you want to do in scouting and what player to be, but unfortunately so much, so much time has been spent on,

on the character and durability stuff at this point, because that's the biggest concern. Am I investing 15, 17, $20 million on a rookie contract and I'm going to get an asset that is just not going to be there on the field for me because of his character or because of his durability problems? I would say also that I think one of the interesting sides of it when you get into the character stuff

and even the medical stuff is you have to factor in what the depth of that position is in this draft class. You have to factor in how desperate the need might be for some teams. And then the third part of it is you factor in which organizations are comfortable with these types of risks. Some of them, if you've got a coach who's got a lot of job security and it's not going anywhere, you can afford to take a chance on, on, on some of these guys. If you're in a smaller media market where you're not going to get hammered by everybody. If you take somebody that might've had an off the field situation, all those things matter. You could talk to, I mean, if you talk to, you know, Joe Shane or

Joe Douglas with the giants of the jets, and you've got someone with a major character issue, they'll be like, there's no way I get no chance. I can't take him. It's not going to happen. I'll have to talk to the chiefs. They'll, they'll say, well, maybe we'll give him a chance. You know, we can take care of him here. And it's a, yeah, it's a different market too. I agree. So that kind of all factors into it, but I know, you know, Ryan, you're talking about the NBA and how you can find a lot of examples of guys that maybe didn't have the best, you know, I guess you call basketball or didn't calculate enough into the fact that there

was work ethic concerns. It's hard at the NFL level with the amount of studying that goes in every single week in order to be good at your position. If you're not willing to put in the work and you're just going to try and rely off your athletic ability i think of the who was the corner todd from oklahoma state who went like the top 10 that the browns took gilbert right uh yes yeah justin gil justin gilbert absolute freak show athlete absolute freak show but then you found out i didn't find this out till after the fact but like he was missing he was training i think at img and they said he would come one every three days, stuff like that. It's like, man, those are blinking red lights there that should be a good warning sign for you. frame the question this way. I'm going to go through maybe the top three or four guys. Give me, DJ, I'll start with you. What would be the best, forget the value of the draft selection,

what would be the best team, meaning staff, situation, what would be the best for Pickett first? I'm going to go one that I have not used this one before, but when I saw these questions, I started kind of looking at some things. I might surprise you and go Atlanta with picket. And I don't think you can do it at eight. I would try and trade back a little bit if you could, but I look at, at picket and skillset wise, it doesn't have like an overpowering arm where you're playing indoors. You're playing at a division with good weather.

So that's a good fit. You think about Arthur Smith having success with Tannehill. That's kind of a comp for him, very similar type player. So he would know how to use them. Think about going and replacing Matt Ryan. You know, you could say maybe he's a poor man's Matt Ryan, but there's, you know, there's something to like there. And I think with his maturity for a younger guy coming into incredibly, you know, talent deficient roster and it's going to require some patience. i think this is a guy who's you know who's been around the block and played a lot of football and he'd be able to kind of weather that storm maybe more than any of these other young quarterbacks could yeah the tough part is the team i think most likely in the top 10 to

take a quarterback is the team that i would not want my son to be drafted by. That's Carolina, number six. You know, just where they are as an organization, how long does Matt Rule have as the head coach? How long does he want to be there from all accounts? And I'm told that he's not going to be crying when the two sides part in this situation. So it just seems like a bad situation moving forward, at least for the next couple of years with Carolina.

So I think that would be a good fit for Atlanta. I think so. I think Pittsburgh would be as well to a certain degree. But I think they want more mobility. That's why I think to me Malik Willis makes the most sense with Pittsburgh. That would be the perfect fit. Does he get there? I mean, he could be the sixth pick overall.

And the other thing that's interesting in this class, the way the draft lays out, Atlanta at eight, I think we all agree, it's too rich to take a quarterback at that spot. I know they want to address other positions, wide receivers specifically. Maybe from 43, they trade back up to get a quarterback, like it does Britter from Cincinnati late in the first round. But at eight, you've got Atlanta. At nine, you've got Seattle.

After six, we talked about Carolina. But once you get to 10, between 10 and 19, there isn't a team that I'm sold on that's going to take a quarterback. Yeah, I mean, New Orleans could, but I don't think that that's their MO. I think the reason for that trade is they want two position players, whether it's wide receiver, offensive line, defensive line. They want to fill that gap with what they think is like the richest part in terms of value of this year's draft class.

And I wouldn't disagree. There's a lot of good players in that 12 to 20 range. So I think you get down to 20. So if Pickett goes six, Malik, theoretically, if no one traded up, could fall to 20. And vice versa, if Malik goes six, Pickett could fall to 20. That's a huge difference. That's like a $14 million difference in their rookie contract for starters.

But also just thinking about being a top six pick in the draft versus sitting around waiting until the 20th pick overall. And the expectations when you become league two. They're different when you get picked at 20 than they are when you're the number six overall pick. Okay, so wait a minute. So Malik Willis for you, Todd, was Pittsburgh. What about you, Daniel? Yeah, same.

I mean, I don't really have more to offer there. It's just they've been connected to them since, I believe it was at the Senior Bowl, where everybody saw Mike Tomlin kind of with the hard eyes, just kind of watching Malik Willis. And all the talk, as Todd mentioned, about them wanting to get more mobile, it just gives them a little something different. It's kind of like the, I don't know if it's like this in the NBA,

but usually you hire the opposite of what you just fired. It's kind of like that with quarterbacks too. No, that's true. All right, Matt Corral. Maybe, I don't know if I'm making this specific enough for it, because actually maybe there's a better version of this question. This is my old Spurs thing, although maybe it's fallen off a little bit. But when the Spurs would draft a player I didn't like, I was like, I guess I'm wrong.

I was like, all right, whatever. Is there a team, a front office, where if they take a quarterback that you don't like, you're like, okay, then I'm probably wrong if they took him. So I'm essentially asking you which front office you trust the most when they take a quarterback, when they make a quarterback decision. Well, the crazy thing is, you can't say that though, right, Todd? Because if you're good at drafting quarterbacks, you only do it once every 20 years. Yeah, so we don't know. I mean, I would say Seattle would be interesting for Corral.

You know, what do they pick, 40 and 41? Somewhere in that range, in the and 41, somewhere in that range in the second round, early in the second round. And, you know, obviously, they got Russell Wilson

in the third round, targeted him. Corral has some similarities, not all, but some similarities in terms of the quick twitch and, you know,

he's so, so good with the RPO and getting the ball out. He has probably, I think, fastest delivery and just, it's just a snap delivery with the RPO and getting the ball out. He has probably, I think, fastest delivery and just snap delivery with the football. His deep accuracy needs improvement. He's undersized. Can that body hold up with his aggressive play style? That's probably the biggest concern with him.

But I think, I don't know, there's something about Corral to Seattle that would make some sense to me. And I'm told that they really like Drew Lopp. I don't know what you've heard,. And I'm told that they really like Drew Locke. And I don't know what you've heard, DJ. I'm told they really believe they can develop him. But to bring in another guy just for competition, if Locke doesn't work out, then you've got some backup. And still have two other picks in the top 50 where you can try to replace this roster

that has dwindled down very quickly. Yeah, I wrote down the exact same team so i wrote down seattle as well and sometimes you're trying to connect the dots and and i was like look this is a pretty simple way to do it but i'm like between lane and his relationship with pete like there's a there's an easy line of communication there if he's if if you get that strong of an endorsement from lane i think it would go a long way uh with pete i think the seattle again i know there's a lot of these teams that want to get out and trade down i don't know who you can find partners to come up but they would be a classic that would be kind of a schneider move to be able to take nine and even turn you know turn that into some more picks even some

more picks in the next year and then you get some of the freedom and the liberty to go ahead and take a flyer on somebody and corral if you're just talking upside um you know you could put his upside on malik willis i think we'd be on the same page has the most upside but corral if if if he can kind of no pun intended corral him and keep him from you know playing so reckless with his legs so he can survive he throws it really really well he's got quick feet he's got quick delivery everything he does he's got a lot of twitch to it a lot of life life to it. There's a lot to work with. The offense is tricky to evaluate out of because it's Lane Kiffin card-flipping shot plays with hitches and goes and

sluggos and all that kind of stuff. Just in terms of working through progressions, I think that'll be a work in progress. Scenario time. Are you ready? that'll be a work in progress. Okay. Scenario time. Are you ready? Yeah.

You're sitting there at number 37. You're running the war room for the Houston Texans and Cleveland calls and they go, hey, Baker, number one overall pick

for the 37th pick. DJ? I'll say no on that one. I think with Davis Mills, I saw him play live last year against the Chargers for one of his better games. But I think he's just getting started

and I think what he's shown is enough to get me excited about him. And I think some of the difference between those two guys in terms of maturity I think would lead me in the direction I'm going to roll with the guy I got. I completely agree. And Houston has so many holes to fill.

The good news is they have five picks in the top 80, 313, 37, 68, and 80. So they've got some capital to bring in quality players and rebuild this roster. But, yeah, and and with baker you're getting all the other baker stuff with it too you know i mean it will become a media frenzy and you know and and you're going to completely stunt the growth of davis mills so i just i would stick with davis mills and see where it goes and again you're building this roster basically i don't want to say scratch but pretty damn close so if he doesn't work out in the next couple of years and continue to grow, then at some point you can try to upgrade that position.

But I would try to build all around the quarterback position on both sides of the ball in order to get a real sense of what you have at quarterback. The other thing I would add real quick to piggyback that is I think about last year in every single practice where you had cameras on the, on the quarterback who was off to the side. Um, and now you finally have, you're finally got a chance to be kind of drama free and now you're going to have a quarterback competition. And I don't, I don't think they'd want to sign up for that. Wow. All right. So it almost, almost makes me think you guys would hang up. I didn't think 37 was going to get it done, by the way, but I was wondering if 80 was going to get it done. And I think I already have the answer to that one. So, okay. All right. Scenario number two, you're running the Kansas City Chiefs. Brett Veach is so into F1 that he retires. He's like, look, I've already won. I've already proven everything I need to prove. I'm just going to lock into F1, maybe become a team principal at some point. So you're running the

war room for the Chiefs. They're sitting there at number 29 and 30. The seventh pick is off the board. Atlanta calls with number eight. Now, I think the value chart for the draft is one of the dumbest things ever for years because it's a number associated based on the number value without taking into account ever of what the actual draft is that year is it a deep draft is it a weak draft what's the positional strength well the positional weaknesses so that would mean hey atlanta goes we want to just add a couple pieces at the back end give us 29 and 30 and you can take the eighth pick in the draft. And 30. I think I'm trying to give you a two and maybe a later pick. But I'm moving up.

Let's just get to the point. I'm moving up if I'm beached in Kansas City. I'm not sitting back and waiting for Garrett Wilson, Drake London, Jamison Williams, Chris Olave, maybe Jahan Dotson and Trey Long-Burks all to get drafted ahead of me when I need a guy. And listen, I've got 12 picks if I'm Beach and Andy Reid. I've got 12 picks. I don't need 12 players. There's not roster spots for 12 guys to come in and compete. And to me, they've got four picks in the top 62, six picks in the top 103. You've got to package some of those picks and go get aggressive and get a guy.

I would love to see Jamison Williams. I know the injury, but he's ahead of schedule according to what I've heard. There's a chance that he could be close to 100% as a rookie. Maybe you miss out on the first four or five weeks of the season. But for a potentially Super Bowl-challenging team with the roster they have, after losing Tyreek Hill, Jamison Williams, where he's 100%, is the closest thing in this draft to Tyreek Hill.

And to me, it's not even really close. So I would pick a spot maybe eights too high. But wherever it is, I would try to move up and get Jamison Williams or one of these other receivers to fill that void. Yeah, look, Ryan Rosilla was put on this earth to eat weights, shoot jumpers and do podcasts. Jameson Williams was put on this earth to play in the Kansas City Chiefs offense. Like no, no, that would, that would be the target for me. And I don't think you'd have to go all the way up there to that eighth pick. I would kind of try and see if you

feel out the wide out thing. And maybe that puts you up in the early teens. I would want to part with both 29 and 30, but I wouldn't mind parting with one of those picks and one next year. I mean, I think if you get Jamison Williams, that might be the 32nd pick next year. So I wouldn't have any problem parting with next year's one if that was your target. All right. Speaking of Rosillo, when I met Rosillo, it was over 20 years ago, right?

He was this young guy, young guy from Martha's Vineyard, you know, just trying to make his way in the big city in Boston, local radio. I looked up yesterday. I was looking for a podcast to listen to before working out. I was looking up yesterday. He's got the number four podcast, the number four podcast in sports. And the beauty of Russillo is number three. I saw number four yesterday. sports and the beauty of priscilla is number three i saw number four yesterday so maybe you slipped a little but i was just gonna say priscilla is he's gonna tell me why the numbers are cooked and he's really number one he's not he's i'm definitely not number one no there's a lot of people with cook numbers uh part of my take and bill do not have cook numbers i don't have cook numbers uh but yeah, I'm number

three. So you caught it on the wrong day. So it depends on how it cycles. We could do what do podcast rankings really mean? Podcast? We'll do that maybe after the draft. By the way, we've got to get you some more. What do you think? Do you have some more wall art or something back there, Ryan? Like what are we working with back there? I want to be

able to leave like that. No matter what. We own two homes in Manhattan beach. You know, you want all the stuff to put on the walls, right? We're down to one. That was just a real estate transaction. Uh, Todd just, I knew it actually took a little late at 33 minutes in. I'm like, all right, now Todd's going to wear me out a bit. We need to catch up. Dinner dude. I stay in there. I stay at that West Drift. It used to be the Manhattan Beach Marriott.

I stay there on Monday nights. We got to do dinner. All right. Done and done. Todd, I got rid of the other house because Todd hadn't come to visit yet. All right. Let's stay with us because you guys have been awesome. I love doing the scenarios and throwing them out there. Hey, you're the Buffalo Bills. You're

in their war room. We've had some weird fallers. Can't figure it out. Number 25 in the first round. Devin Lloyd from Utah, for some reason, still there. Derek Stingley's still there. But you do want a running back. That always seems to be the to-do list.

My philosophy on running backs is different. I'm not running the war room. All right, Daniel, go. Yeah, I'll take Stingley there. I'm not running the war room. All right, Daniel, go. Yeah, I'll take Stingley there. I think he'd be punished enough. That would have to end right there. That's a team that's going to be playing with a lead darn near every game with as explosive as they are. So who benefits from that?

It'd be somebody like Stingley who could sit there and take the ball away a bunch. If you're going to be playing teams, playing catch up, I think he matches them better than anybody else. I do love the idea of them taking a running back with the side, you know, side topic, just because, you know, the whole running back discussion, you know, don't take running backs in the first round. To me, it's a little more nuanced than that.

If your team's done like completed and you just need a running back, then every single one of that running backs carries for the next four years is going to matter. I'm against taking a running back when you have a bad team and you're going to waste running back carries on a bad team. That's a poor investment because of the shelf life. But if you're a team like Buffalo and you're ready to go right now, shoot, I'd have no problem with that. But in that particular scenario, I'd take Stangling. Yeah. And Breesall would make sense there. I mean, I think Walker actually catches the ball better than people think based off of his numbers.

But Brees Hall catches the ball really well. And they obviously want a back that can be involved in the passing game also. But, yeah, Stingley's there. Even Andrew Booth from Clemson would make sense. I think the cornerback is their number one need. But running back certainly would be a good fit there. I would argue it's up there with wide receiver and guard tackles. But they have one position that they, in my opinion, they need,

and then running back would be next. They're solid, but they really haven't committed to running the football with their running back as much as some people would like to see. It'll be interesting with Buffalo, but but stingley would be an absolute steal okay last one here uh on the scenarios and i got a couple final questions here because we know we have other duties as you guys are busy all right you're the jets we've already taken somebody at number four probably feel pretty good about it right um a lot of different directions it could go but you're sitting there with that 10th pick, which came over

from Seattle, which turned out to be a terrific trade because I still don't understand giving up that much for Jamal Adams, and it wasn't seeming like Jamal Adams was a great hang if you were the Jets at the point. End of history lesson. The Washington Commanders call you up, and they go, you know what? We'll do Chase

Young right now for number 10. Todd. Yeah, hell yeah yeah i mean okay so there's no let's just sign off with that see you see you or so good catching up my first my first move on that when that phone call comes is I would look down at my phone and make sure that it's not April 1st, that it's actually April 28th. And then once I had that confirmed, I'm all in. All right, so still both very high on Chase Young is what I'm— I know last year was what it was, but that dude's a freak, man.

I'll bet on him. What about number four, then? What if they called and said, we'll give you Chase Young for number four? Yep, I'll bet on him what about number four then what if they called and said we'll give you chase him for number four I would I would I would at least uh I would push back and see if I could get him to 10 on that one but if they were haggling and they said no it's four nothing I think I would I think I would do pick four all right okay all right I like this though I didn't know I was trying to make it a little harder and clearly that was not challenging whatsoever. All right. So we have a couple more things here that are challenging.

Give me the guy that you've had in your own projections as a second rounder. Todd, I'll ask you first where it just, you don't, the 32 slots fill up. You're talking to teams and this guy's going in the second round and you already regret the fact that he's going to be projected as a second rounder knowing that he doesn't deserve to go in the second round. We're going to say the same guy. We're going to say the same. Hold on.

I'm going to write it down on my paper so that they know that I think we're going to say the same guy. Okay, go ahead. I've got like six guys here. Boye Mafe? Boye Mafe? A good one. That's not the one that I picked, but I thought I really misjudged our connection on this one.

Who would it be? Give me another guess. He's a guy I think we both think is a top 15 type player in this draft. Oh, Devin – I mean, N'Kobe Dean. Yeah. I still don't think he gets out in the first, but he could. He could. I think you and I are the only two people on planet Earth

who think he's a great football player. I mean, I don't know the conversation. Show me the tape. What tape do I put on where he doesn't make a zillion plates? I'm still trying to find that. You've got eight guys on that defense that possibly could get drafted, and several of them in the first couple rounds. He's the best player on the field every single tape.

He's two steps ahead of the other linebacker. Listen, I really like Quay Walker, and I get it. He's longer, he's faster, and he's got the traits. But there was one elite linebacker on the field every single week and that was nicole b dean i and i i said it recently and and i put it in a tweet like i'm gonna die on the dean hill and i'm totally fine with it i got you know he's gonna he could go 35 and but i'll like we'll talk in three years i just don't see that guy busting the way that like his pass rushing instincts and the way he works the edges of guys

and stays on blocks. And everyone's saying, well, his arms are about the average in the last five years of off-the-ball linebackers. And, yeah, they're not as long as some of the elite guys in the league. But I go back to Zach Thomas, what he was able to do with his instincts and how he could get off the blocks and stay on block. And Jonathan Bill was another guy that keeps coming up. And I think that's a good comparison as well.

I'll take N'Kobi Dean every day of the week. Yeah, that was mine. I just think if we're talking about a photo shoot, are we talking about a football game? Because this is what he, that's what he is. That's what he does. It's every single game. He's two steps.

As you said, he's two steps ahead of everybody on the field. And I, you know, I think he was probably would have ran in the mid four fives. He's not, you know, Devin, Devin White's a low four, four. I think Devin Bush was low four, four. You look at some of the guys that have gone up there in the top 12 or 15. Yeah. Most part, they're all guys that can absolutely fly. He's fast enough.

And it doesn't matter if you're going to put a four, five, five linebacker next to a four, four, four, four linebacker. And my four, five, five guys got two steps before you four, four, old linebacker at my four, five, five guys got two steps before you even see where the ball's going. It's all negated. So, but I talked to, I,

you know, like you're doing, I'm making a bunch of calls and talking to guys. And I would say more teams than not have Coy Walker over him. It is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see.

Maybe, maybe we'll both look like idiots in three years. Very good chance. Throw me into the N'Kobe Dean hill. Not only will I die on that hill, I will chop my own arm off and scream at the opposition. One of my questions was going to be, why are you guys both going to be wrong about N'Kobe Dean? I can't fathom.

I can't fathom. Although I liked ernie sims a lot too um but i'm not saying he's ernie sims was fast ernie sims was super explosive he was little he was different he's very little guys instinctive like total different instincts the instincts where it's like oh the play's already there why is fucking nicole b dean already in the play like oh there he is Okay. Two quick things then as we close. Give me the top 10 pick then that you know is going in the top 10

where you're like, I really wouldn't want to have to pull the trigger on this player. But he's just in that. Go ahead. Go ahead, Todd. Who you got? I would say Torres-Bross

if he goes in the top 10. Same one. Is it? Same one, yeah. Yeah. I keep mocking it and the two tackles, Evan Neal from Alabama and Ike Ikuonu from NC State wind up going they could go five or seven. Obviously the Giants could take an

offensive lineman. I don't think the Jets will, but there's other spots. They're both off the board that I think Houston at three is another team that could so I I think that that Seattle could take cross and I keep writing trying to write that in and I struggle with it yeah I was the same one for me and I look he's a good player I think I have him like in the early 20s so I'm not I think he's going to be a functional starter but there was there was no time when I watched him where I thought man this is the uh the type of explosiveness or dominance that you would expect for a top 10 tackle. There's a lot of times where I thought he got kind of knocked off his pegs a little bit.

And that kind of worried me. So, again, I think he's got a chance to be a functional tackle. And I think there's probably an Andre Dillard wound somewhere back in there of having overgraded a tackle on that offense in the past. So maybe that's me being unfair to the kid for that reason. But yeah, that would be the one I just wouldn't feel great about all the way up there. Last thing,

who would make a better GM of the two of you? Easily DJ. It would be Todd because there's no chance in God's green earth. I've, I've seen both sides of this thing now, and this is such a better gig, man. This is such a better life. So I'm going to let, I'm going to let Todd make that mistake when that offer comes, I'm going to try and talk him out of it and tell him, don't do it.

Don't do it. Um, but there's a chance you would add a zero chance. I'm doing that. We're welcome to be sitting where we are. And I'm reminded of that just about every time I talk to people in the league. Is it more so now than ever before? Every time. It's crazy.

It's like a wild, wild west. I would switch with you right now. I get that all the time. I loved when Todd first started kind of blowing up about it. I'd be like, well, do you get offers? And he'd go, yeah, all the time. Like, what are you? Of course, I'm getting offers to work for teams.

He's like, and then I tell him how much I make. And they go, what? If you're going to, you know. Like a 29-year-old area scout. Yeah. Look, you guys are terrific. Thank you so much for finding some time for us here. And I'll bug you again after it's all done.

All right. So thanks again. Daniel Jeremiah, you can listen to him on the Move the Sticks podcast and, of course, NFL Network. And you can see Todd all over ESPN and also host of the first draft podcast, the ESPN Draft Podcast. Draft's two weeks away. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.

What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible possible let me tell you what's required life advice on a thursday like advice rr at gmail.com we always have follow-ups we appreciate him kyle sent a few through uh follow up on the gary player guy we had a few handicaps chime in but it wasn't overwhelming and uh you know we know, we'll just leave it at that.

So appreciate the participation on this one. My parents belong to the same club as Gary Player. Gary plays to like a four handicap, occasionally shoots even par 72 from the member's tee, so that's 6200 yards. While he typically takes a car, I'm sure if it was a competition, Gary could play the back tees and kick Conor's ass for 18. I think more people agree with you.

So I think we're good there. Did we have anything else? Okay, this follow-ups. There was some verification done on this follow-up on the Memphis gym fight-up between Suave Guy and Man Bun Guy. Maybe it's true. i don't know entertainment sake we'll we'll see i i think the guy does something here that makes me think this is real so uh here we go long time listener i heard the gym fight life advice yesterday i thought to myself who in the hell throws hands at the local uh okay he names the gyms. We'll leave that out on a Monday morning before work.

Fast forward to tonight, one of my longtime friends calls me to catch up. And right before he hangs up, mentions he's getting into an altercation at the gym. Lightbulb immediately went off. I didn't want to ask too many questions, act like I knew the story. So I played dumb and got a brief rundown. So his friend, a suave guy who got punched in the face that's what the emailer is claiming here he goes uh man bun guy who i do not know did punch him in the face multiple times he said it was insane unpredicted behavior will be pressing charges against him getting ugly he said going into the full context details would take at least

30 minutes so he'll fill me in this weekend. I will report back after I gather more information. Wow. You pulled off a two-parter guy. Good job. Pull off a two-parter life advice update. Good for you. Now we have to come back.

If true, you're a genius. You're a genius. No. If you're, here's the thing though. If, if this guy's going to press charges,

he better make sure he wasn't, he's clean. Right. Here's the thing, though. If this guy's going to press charges, he better make sure he's clean. He wasn't actually taking pictures of this guy's girlfriend, though. Well, how's anybody going to prove that? I don't know, but if I was, then I would definitely not press charges. So that kind of tells me something. All right.

Well, here's the thing. It's the guy named the Jim, so maybe we'll follow up with the original Jim employee and be like, was it this Jim? Yeah. And if it checks out, then we'll read part two's the thing. It's the guy named the gym. So maybe we'll follow up with the original gym employee and be like, was it this gym? Yeah. And if it checks out, then we'll read part two of the email because I don't want to turn this into a, you know. Some guy making shit up. Yeah.

Right. From Daniel Steele. He said he was taking pictures, but he had a man bun. All right. We do have real ones here. Although we did have somebody ask us if we should do an F1 QB stock game. So F1 stock game. We haven't done any F1.

Kevin having his own F1 pod. I'm really happy for him. But it sort of fucks our whole going abroad thing which didn't like I was like oh man that's awesome congratulations can't wait to come on and now I'm like yeah kind of fucking sucks for us though so I'm happy for the company I'm happy

for Kevin before I am upset about our fourth best segment those are all nice things to say but yeah I believe it because if I were really pissed I just wouldn't say anything I'm not really pissed but it was dawning on me that i go yeah we haven't had kevin on for going abroad we're three races in oh that's so funny if i was if i was really pissed i'd do the manly thing and suppress my anger and not talk about it yeah we would have started 10 minutes late we just talked i'm

telling you i am telling you right now if i I were pissed, I would, I would just, yeah, internalize all of it. I wouldn't. I'll say it. I'm pissed. What version of this would I not be having for Kevin Clark? Right. Like there's no version of anything that he would do. I wouldn't be happy for the guy.

So, all right. A stock update though on F1 would be much easier to figure out. So, yeah, but I got to figure out a way to make it like, all right, who's undervalued? And you're like Haas, obviously. But how do we calculate the value? Because we were using QBR with a win. I like the formula for QB stock because it's very easy.

The problem for it ever being turned into like a real applicable money making thing is I think it's actually if you put your work in you're kind like i don't know that anyone's ever ended up in the red when we've done it i think i was i think i was real close no but like i i pitched it like i think i pitched it like five years ago there was some guy that i knew and it's how this shit works and he was going to try to get his slice out of getting me in a conference call with somebody else he didn't even understand it

he just thought oh risolo has yeah he gets it he must get it right so i pitched it to not fan duel but it was something in its infancy of going all right how's this work and then all the guy did was poke holes and everything i did and And I just went, Hey, super easy. We just get off the phone. You know what I mean? It's a better segue than a business. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like I would like to figure out a way to maybe have this, this be something that would work and partner with somebody on it. But it wasn't that there weren't flaws because there are, it was that it was like getting notes on a script where somebody is like, well, I have to tell you all the things that you wrote wrong or what you've done wrong and what I don't like about the story. And you're like, yeah, no, I get it. I get it. Right. Cool. So, all right. It does exist though. There are,

they've tagged us and stuff. Yeah. I've been getting things. I think it's kind of hidden though, the formulas of how they figure out what these stock prices are. So it's a little sketchy. I don't know. I'm not telling people not to do it, but I'm also saying be careful. No, we've gotten a ton of people saying, oh, this place ripped this off or this. But first of all, it wasn't the most original idea ever to begin with. And people have talked about this fantasy sports stock market thing for years. So I know that A-Rod's actually trying to figure out something. I mean, I remember reading something about this years ago.

I was just trying to figure out a quarterback thing that made it a really easy segment, and it was a lot of fun, and then Cannell fucked it up. Didn't Spencer Dinwiddie do something where you could literally buy stock in him, like in real life? Yeah, he wanted to do that. I almost did that at a bar once when I was leaving for Trenton. When I was leaving Vermont, there was

a guy that was going to float me 50 grand for the next 10% of my earnings, and even though i was worth nothing i'm like that doesn't make any sense he's like i'd seed you like 50 grand towards your future earnings and i was like what am i fucking lightweight take that money and run memphis dude yeah sounds like a good way to do that to me imagine are you serious though that that would have sucked but it's 10 it's 10 forever or it's 10 for like five years like what is it well he wouldn't have done well the first eight years

yeah you would have totally recouped yeah you would have been you would have been a-okay with that yeah but i probably you know i don't know that i would have been like okay i'm gonna set this aside all right i i do think that that should be like in the future or some some sort of show some concept of like united states in 2075 like all these different elements of what you would have like people trying to figure out how to solve things which we're not very good at but um where you just start like going all right yeah yeah, no, I'm going to invest in this person. Buying low on Will Smith. Right. But then their wages are garnished. So there's no way of getting around not paying the person back is that the market starts trading people and prospecting their future and everything. I love it. Great script idea. Are you guys up to date on the

WeCrashed? Because that's basically what the investor that Adam Newman did. He was like, I'm not investing in WeWork. I'm investing in you as a person, as an entrepreneur. And he gave him $4.4 billion. And that didn't work out super well for him. Yeah, way up to date on it. Slightly different transaction. But I get your point.

You're betting on the point. It wasn't... He's like, I believe in you. So I'm giving you money. I don't care about WeWork. I just believe in you. Stop poking holes, Steve. Stop poking holes and shit.

There you go. Moving on. It's almost Friday. Okay, but what's season three? Never mind. Alright, here we go. There's probably already a show like this. Dude, they did it on the CW. Seven seasons. Check it out. Free soda refills.

How many is okay? Hi, all. Please settle a dispute between me and some work colleagues that dates back many years. Our office building was right across the street from a Qdoba. It had the kind of soda fountain where the customer filled up their own cup, as is in the case with many similar places. Clearly, the policy was free refills. All right. cup as is in the case with many similar places clearly the policy was free refills all right at the time my position was that if you bought a soda cup that entitled you to literally however

many free refills you wanted you could not only refill in store on that trip but come back later in the day or even subsequent right subsequent days and refill your cup if you're willing to clean out your cup between days there was nothing stopping you from taking advantage of this policy my view is that the store made the decision to outsource. Outsource? They're selling fucking sodas, man. Decision to outsource both the work of refilling cups and the control over refills to the customer. Yeah, that's what they thought they were doing.

And let's outsource the refilling. They just wanted you to have maybe an extra diet Coke with your fucking tacos. All right. So all's fair in love and soda refills. If the store wanted control, they should just put the fountain behind the counter. Like some other places too. There's plenty of places that actually leave it not behind the counter. And they,

they don't think that you're just, it's a free for all. By the way, I put the above paragraph in past tense for a reason. At the time I was in my early twenties, maybe a little dumb, more importantly, was legit addicted to soda,

which probably clouded my judgment. If you ask me today, I'm now 37. This has been debated for a for a long right this guy's getting drunk on soda yeah i think i'd say there's probably some implied cap on refills oh do you think so do you think there's some implied cap on refills uh that it's okay to leave the store and come back later that same day but probably not okay to come back the next day. Even writing it out now, I can't really explain where this implied cap comes from. Societal norms, I guess. Yeah, we're not fucking psychos. And I have to admit that part of me still thinks old me was right.

And I've just been swayed by years of argument thoughts. Now you're wrong. No one should agree with you. This is insane behavior. If everybody did this, this is the free sample thing at the food court deal. You know, we used to joke, roly-poly, check it out, Google it. They dice up these little, I don't know what the hell, they were sort of calzones,

but they weren't, honestly, didn't look all that complicated to make, but they just sort of looked good. College guys would go there, they have free samples, and guess what? If you were the free sample guy, like if you just took the tray

and dumped it into your hand, you're an asshole, you know? Because if everybody did it, the reason we all pay more for insurance because there's people that fuck with insurance all the time. So if you're going through life thinking, yeah, you know, sure, you can talk yourself into a lot of stuff if you want to. Most normal people do not feel this way. Thanks for listening to the podcast, though. Yeah, I appreciate it. You're not owed anything. I mean, really, what does it cost? I mean, even if you're a broke college guy, you can probably scrounge up $2.15 or whatever it costs. And then if it's really important that you get the most bang for your buck, you're going to have to sit there and drink a bunch of sodas and try not to feel bad for yourself. But once you cross the threshold, it's a new day for you. Once you cross the door threshold, it's a new day. You can't, you just can't like once you, once you cross the threshold, like it's a new day for you. Once you cross the door threshold, it's a new day.

You can't leave. You basically get, you get one fill up and then like the move would be when you're done with your meal, you can get another fill up on the way out and you leave and you get two cups and that's it. That's the rule. I'm sorry. Like it logically, yes, you're right. It probably cost them 10 cents for a, for a soda refill.

It's not a big deal in their book, but you're right, Ryan. If everybody does it, then that defeats the purpose and you're ruining it for everybody. So stop. Not much to add to that. I just, I think there's like, whenever I see people kind of think this way about certain things,

like, all right, you know, hey, Russell, do you want to tell a bartending story? Thank you for asking. But like, there's just, there's always like a person and there's multiple of these people but they'll say something there'll be some sort of interaction where you just go who raised you what the fuck like how did you you know we've all probably had like one of those roommates where you

go you know five guys are going in the same direction that six guys like oh what about this you're like what are you talking about and it's not like oh i don't want to go with the mob or i don't like to go with consensus it's not even zigging while people are zagging it's just that you're like what are you talking about and i remember bartending and every now and then you'd have somebody come up and you know they'd usually be by themselves be like oh i'm the dd you know you're like all right what do you want like uh coke can i'm coke and i was always like free soda guy i just didn't care and honestly i didn't rip the place off so i just always felt like all right here's a coke the guy would come up you know hey can i have another coke

and depending on the vibe i might go like all right yep here's another coke and then you know the guy'd be like hey can i have another coke and he's not tipping you know throw two bucks in the first coke and most bartenders especially if it's you know not like some corporate thing our place is pretty divey so nobody cared the owners didn't care by the way and you're like all right dude you know like this isn't just free soda all night like i understand it like hey it's your responsibility for a designated drive that you have to provide free soda free beverages you're like yeah i don't think like, yeah, I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. I think you made that up.

I think it sounds good in principle that everybody's like, hey, thank you for taking our responsibility, making sure everybody gets home safe, that you're not going to make any bad decisions. That's all great. That's three sodas. I don't think it's four. I don't think it's four. It's like, no, no, no, you have to do this. I don't have to do shit. I don't know that this bill was passed.

do this be like i don't have to do shit like this i don't know that this bill was passed and the person that comes off that way like demanding that these are the like you don't what are you talking about you might doesn't feel like a winner but you're a loser and we all see yeah yeah like uh what'd you do last night got four free cokes at what ails you kind of fucking awesome guy was giving me a fucking hard time bartender was chirping me about some fucking cokes believe that yeah didn't want to give me the fourth one but guy gave in like hey here's your here's your eight and a half ounces of soda over ice all right thanks for listening once again just want to reiterate it thanks for listening yeah wow yeah oh by the way yeah thank you thank you for listening it's been a tough run for some of these

email guys oh you know we appreciate you sharing. It's content, dude. We do. Thank you. Okay. All right. This is a good one. We have a strong one that's actually relevant here.

Could argue the first three weren't most relevant. How to negotiate a raise, 25 years old, six foot, 190, mostly pull-ups and dips. Do high reps with decent weight for legs, not jacked by any stretch, but I look just fine. I love that about you. I love that you look in the mirror and you feel good about it all. All right. Big fan from back in the day. I remember watching Ryan's monologue when he shaved his head.

Yep. With my buddies. Missed that show. Yep. Suck. Little background. I just passed the two-year mark at my company, which is the only place I've worked since graduating college in 2019. We're a general contractor in probably the hottest sector of construction and have grown considerably in

the past few years. So I'm trying to figure out if he's the GC. I don't, I would doubt he's the GC at 25, but, uh, maybe, maybe he is, or maybe he's part of general contractor group and he's underneath another guy. Anyway, I'm a project manager. I could have kept reading. That makes more sense that he's not the GC. He's the project manager, which still has a lot of responsibilities, uh, much further along than I anticipated at this point in my career. Part of it is due to the company growth, but I believe part of it is because I'm competent as well. The nature of the company is a lean operation, relatively low salaries, but typically great bonuses. My first year I made a good bonus, but last year's bonus was three times the size of the first. I am now managing an $11 million project with three other

smaller jobs. For context, we'll make about $350,000 in profit on this job. My bonus will pay out about 25% of the $350,000. So we're looking at a bonus here of like, I don't know, $80,000, $80,000-something. Sounds good to me, pal. Here's what I don't understand. If it's an $11 million project, how's the profit? $350,000. That's what I don't understand. If it's an $11 million project, how's the profit? $350,000.

That doesn't make any sense. I'm imagining that as being maybe his division or his team. You know what I mean? It might be their profit. There's no way that an $11 million cost project, the only profit would be $350,000. All right.

So, my superiors have enough oversight to avoid catastrophe, but they're extremely busy as well. And I'm trusting to manage the budget and all day-to-day operations. All right. So this guy's got a serious job here. My salary has risen by a few percent each year, but it's still much lower than it would be if I was hired with experience from another company instead of being hired straight out of college, which brings me to my question. I'm hoping you can draw on some experience for a good way to frame, to ask for a raise. I'm truly grateful for that treat me. And I want that to come across. I don't want my boss

to feel that I have an entitlement attitude around bonus time when bonus time comes around this year with the amount of work I'm managing and inflation on top of that. I feel like a raise is going to do your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Okay. Totally fair question. Let's not get bogged down in some of the profit numbers and everything. Because I think he's probably hearing me say to me like, no, no, you guys aren't getting the point, which is fine. I don't want to get caught up in that. This is a really tough one for a lot of people because people are either wired to ask for raises or you're not. There's people that will work at places for the longest time and never ask for raises. And it's funny because then people will be like, oh, he just puts his head down, his work and on and on. Employers love that,

love that person. Here are their favorite. Okay. If you do your job and you never ask for a raise, you're the best. Like, yeah, let's keep this guy around. And then you can kind of get walked all over and then you kind of screw up your own raise timeline. You know, if you've been at a place for five years and you've done good work and you know it, I mean, some of us don't have the self-awareness to know whether or not we're valuable. There's plenty of people that have no value that are walking around telling you how valuable they are. And there's other people that don't realize their own value that never say anything about

it. So it kind of gets down to kind of the fundamental, like the squeaky wheel thing, which, you know, growing up, I remember being told constantly, hey, squeaky wheel gets the grease. And then you get a little bit older and you're like, yeah, sometimes the squeaky wheel thing, which, you know, growing up, I remember being told constantly, Hey, squeaky wheel gets decreased. And then you get a little bit older and you're like, yeah, sometimes the squeaky wheel just gets replaced too. Um, you can't be the guy that crosses the line and starts, you know, six months in going, where's my raise. So not asking for raises over a long period of time, almost screws yourself over. If again, you're valuable and worth it to the company uh and there's no perfect answer for this in that if you never ask for one for like five years that means

there's been probably two times you could have asked and now like you haven't started the process of like if you're staying with a company this long of getting raises down the road like you've prevented probably a couple bumps for yourself because a a lot of places, it'd be great if places go, it's hard to find the right person for the job. Let me make sure I take care of this stuff. It's just not how business usually works. It's nice when that happens. Some of us have had that happen to us, but for the most part, it's kind of like, hey, here's what you get paid and then that's the deal and thanks for the work. And if you do extra work, that's great too, but we're not going to compensate you for that. So if you truly are valuable to this place and all these things, and you feel like you're

being underpaid, even though the bonus structure is coming in here, I don't know if they're going to go, Hey, this isn't about your salary, dude. It's about the bonus structure and the bonus structure tripled. So that's your raise. Like this isn't about a baseline thing. If it's all about bonuses in this version of the job that you're doing, I don't know that they're going to be in a huge hurry. Or you may be using a bullet on a raise when they're like, yeah, fine, here's a five to 10% cost of living raise over the year. But it's not even that big of a deal because your base salary isn't that much. So now you've asked for a raise, you've used, I say bullet, because it's like, all right, do I want to waste this fight?

Cause if I later on, if there's a bigger picture thing for me here, do I want to waste it over the ego of saying I asked for a raise and then I got it when it doesn't even seem like it's 25% of your salary. So what are you really asking for a raise here? And the other part of this, which is very common. And I hear from younger people all the time. It's the same mistake that I made when I was younger, the whole idea of like, well, if if i went somewhere else i would make way more dot dot dot then fucking go somewhere else all right because a lot of us say that shit and then you're like i'm not gonna take it anymore and then guess what happens you don't have this tremendous value elsewhere. Now, you may, specific to you, know for a fact that you can get paid more somewhere else.

So now you've got to time that out because you're going to be willing to leave the place you're at right now. You seem like you're happy. It seems like they're taking care of you. I'd have to know all the real numbers on what the exact base salary number is versus the bonus stuff. But I think the way we've explained it makes a little bit of sense. Why are you that worried about a raise thing when that's not really even how

you get paid? You know, bankers on wall street aren't fucking worried about their every two week take home. They're worried about the bag at the end of the year. So I would, um, I,

I would, I would find, all right. So if you feel like you're being underpaid, you can make a ton of money elsewhere and you're okay with leaving your current situation, then go find that out and go ahead and get an offer. If you know, that's what you're interested in doing. And then if you want to, you can bring it back to the other guy, but don't, you have to be very strategic. And it's, it's, there's no perfect way of playing this out because you don't know the attitude of your bosses.

Everybody's different. I don't know your attitude. You may be great. You may be delusional, but I'm always big on the timing of things. When I was at ESPN, I asked for full-time employment and I asked for three months after Van Pelt and I had started the show and it didn't go well. I, to this day, know I'm right. I was an afternoon guy full time, five days a week, and I was filling out fucking time sheets.

And I was told, you know, dot, dot, dot, do the show, see how it goes, and then we'll revisit this. And I was like, okay, great. So I waited three months. I thought that was fair. Hey, the show's going to be really good with Scott and I. I went up, I said, hey then we'll revisit this. And I was like, okay, great. So I waited three months. I thought that was fair. Hey, the show's going to be really good with Scott. And I went up, I said, hey, the show kicks ass. Can I become a full-time headcount? I wasn't even asking for that much money. I was the least paid of anybody that was regular on the radio, not even close.

And I went to the guy and my position was strong. I'd been at the company four years. I'm named Van Pelt's co-host. The show's been on the air three months. It's going really well. I'm pretty upfront, which isn't always great. It can be a big turnoff for a lot of people, especially when they're older than you and have been around. And the guy that I went to talk to, he did not have my back. He didn't like my attitude. He didn't like my personality. He didn't even want me to be Scott's co-host. And so I go in and I'm like, hey, you know, the show kicks ass. Can I become a full time headcount?

Can I have 401k? Can I have health insurance? Can I have benefits? And he's like, when's the show going to kick ass? That's what he said to me. So I was like, I was like, all right, well, I'm fucked. And guess what happened? I had like this stupid subcontractor deal where, again, I'm filling out time cards and I'm the co-host of the afternoon

show in the country. Like, think about that. It's insane. Like, I don't know that that has ever happened at a national network, but that's how they felt. And so I guess because I had a little bit of an attitude in that meeting, I restarted the entire clock and they rode my ass out as a part-time guy for the next year and a half. Cause they were like, fuck him for even asking. Now I'm right. I was right then and I'm right now, but it didn't matter if I was right. It mattered how I was perceived. It mattered how the person felt about me. So we can all go around saying, oh, right. It's been 12 months. I'll ask for a raise. Like don't't go five years without asking for a raise. But, you know, hey, it's been six months. It's been 12 months. The timeline of it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because it's really up to that person.

just kind of eat shit when you're younger. Like I know for a fact, like in media, that's what everyone, the people in media have some of the best stories, but like in the firehouse, if you're working as a teacher, if you're working most places, like you just kind of end up eating shit. It doesn't even really sound like you're eating shit. It sounds like you're getting like decent bonuses. It sounds like you kind of get out what you put into it. So that's positive. And I remember he said he's young, but yeah, I think there's definitely a difference between going five years and going two years. And like you said, yeah, if you went somewhere else, then you would be given all these other things. But you can't just have this imaginary place that can't wait to hire you.

You didn't start from that place of anybody coming to get you. You were happy to have the job and you're still happy, but you're just not super happy with the thing. So I think saying like, yeah, inflation, I think that's probably okay, but it'll be okay. I'm just wondering, like, you know, I'm just crunching the numbers here. And I feel like, you know, if it's like the inflation is 11%, my race is 3%. I think technically I'm losing like 5% here, but like, but yeah, the inflation though, inflation isn't like a, people are talking about inflation left and right right now. And I'm not going to tell you i'm some economist that understands it perfectly but if you go to your

boss and say inflation's eight to eleven percent then i need an eight that's just not how it works yeah it's not how it works don't happen like i know that and well it's also not across the board and all there's a formula for for how inflation is calculated based on cost to each person. Again, somebody else will probably debate me on this. I mean, the company could also just be like, that's all right. Take it up with the White House. Dude, what do you want me to do? Whoa.

This isn't political. I'm just saying, whoever, no, anybody could be in office. But like, sorry, dude. Like, I don't know. Are you a Trump guy? No. Let's not even go down this road. I don't.

We've already. Here we go. It's going to be taken out of context. Somebody's going to post go down this road. I don't... Here we go. I'm going to take it out of context. Somebody's going to post it on Twitter. Like, Saruti, here we go. Anyway, I just think like if you're... If they're the boss, I just think that's... Inflation is an easy thing to just be like,

dude, okay, man, everybody's going through it. Sorry. Like, it's just a tough time in general. Like, us as a company, we have to deal with inflation. I think it's an easy deflection for the guy to make. My thing would be you have to... I would bring your personal

happiness into this. I would say, hey, I've been working hard for this company. And I like my job, I like the people I work with. But I just feel like for the effort that I put in, the work that I put in, my happiness partially is dictated by what I'm making. And I feel like I could be making more. I'm not looking to leave necessarily, but I just want to put it on your radar. Because I think if you come in too hot, you're right. You risk the Rosillo of, even if you're right, like the guy's going to say no

just because he doesn't like you. Whereas if you just kind of like... The Rosillo. If you talk about your happiness and your future and why you like being at the company, don't talk about how much you like working there

and how much you see a future for yourself there. But like, you know, you still are interested in kind of looking out for yourself. I think that's like the safest way to do it. And then it's kind of in the guys in the back of your boss's mind.

And then, you know, because you can't ask her to raise like every year and be like, hey, I'm underpaid. I'm underpaid. I'm underpaid. Pick and choose your spots. Talk about your happiness.

Talk about your life. And then if it doesn't go the way you want, then I think you should actually start looking for other things. And then you need actual leverage. Yeah, you got to have the real leverage and you got to remember that you got to eat shit on the way up a little bit. Like,

congrats on working your way up there. Yeah, you've been at it two years. But Cerruti brings up some good points there. Look, I had one negotiation very early on at ESPN where the stock market was just down that week. It wasn't the housing crisis. Stock market just had like a bad week. And the guy who was doing my deal, and again, it wasn't like I had, Skipper wasn't exactly going, where are we on Rosillo's new extension? That was not the level I was

at. He didn't care. He didn't know what the hell I was making. And the guy was like, ah, tough week for the Dow. I was like, wait, that's how we're opening negotiations? He was planting the seed in my head because the Dow had had a bad run of three or four days that you're off. Don't even think about it, pal. Right.

And I'm like, what? The more I'm thinking about it, the better it is. No. It's an incredible line. You'd have to know the guy, too, that did it. I'm not going to explain any greater detail but i just was like wait and then i i heard that i got less than i wanted because the guy didn't want me making more than him no yeah what a shit show what a shit show that place i have

i have so many fucking terrible contract stories uh so we'll leave it at that. That's our contract podcast offshoot. We're going to go back and forth with F1. I might have to be retired for that one. This will be the tell-all book. Yeah, I'll just be like, all right, here we go. The literal, I'll never work in this town again situation. Yeah.

There we go. I got my GC license. We got the insurance. I got my belt and all my new DeWalt stuff I'm not going to use. You just hired this guy? No, I'll look at trucks. There's this truck that I want down the road, and then I'm like, I'll put a lumber rack on it.

I'll be like, well, that would have come in handy a long time ago. Not sure you're going to be hauling too much pressure treated around. Like, I don't know. It'd be fun to switch on the street cleaning days fun to try to wedge that into a little spot yeah that's the other problem is i have street cleaning two days a week and i'm like if you do that where are you parking you got a dually you're getting clipped every wednesday but i've got just scraping up against your extra wheel. Dog people are just keying my dually because there's less space on the sidewalk.

Your trunk's full of dog shit and green bags. Tons of dog shit. The bed's just full of dog shit. What a fun time this has been. Thanks to Kyle and Steve. As always, enjoy the start of the NBA playoffs. Bill and I will be ready to go after full action four game Saturday

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