The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Todd McShay on CJ Stroud vs. Bryce Young, Life Advice with Paige Spiranac, Plus a Bad Week in Celtics Coverage

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

Russillo shares his thoughts on the media coverage surrounding Ime Udoka and the Boston Celtics (0:36). Then Ryen is joined by ESPN’s Todd McShay to discuss the top college QBs, how many are first round NFL draft prospects, Alabama LB Will Anderson, and more (12:12). Next, Ryen gives out his weekly ranking of the top 12 teams in college football (53:45), followed by Worst Take (59:39). Finally Ryen is joined by former pro golfer Paige Spiranac to discuss her career (1:08:02) before Paige and Ryen answer some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (1:23:18). Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Todd McShay and Paige Spiranac Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Loaded, loaded podcast today. Todd McShay is going to talk quarterbacks. Maybe five in the first round. Maybe it's three. It's just awesome. We were so pumped about it. We did something different, too. We had Paige Sporanek on who you know from social media

on her golf career, but she's going to do life advice with us as well. College football top 12, worst take and an open on the last week in Celtics coverage. I've thought a lot about this segment a week removed from us all learning late on a Wednesday night.

You may be suspended for the entire season. So Rudy would tell you this, but when the segment popped up, when we were talking about how we wanted to do it, I didn't even really want to do it because I didn't have enough information. I didn't feel great about the information I had. And I'm going to kind of go through the timeline.

But I'd say this past week, and this is saying something, has been one of the dumbest fucking weeks I've ever seen on social media. And that's saying something. Okay, that's saying something. Not saying that this topic is more important than others, because it isn't. But the freedom that people had, knowing they had no idea what was going on, being completely uninformed and being like, whatever, never stopped me before. Like, I tweet a lot.

I got a tweet about this. This was an all-timer of thoughts that were shared publicly. I love the crisis experts. I love how good so many of you are at watching the crisis play out that is not your crisis and then having time to think, knowing that this was a challenging situation for the Celtics and then going, nah, should have done it this way. I'm not saying the Celtics situation or the way they handled it all was perfect. I don't think there's a version of this that plays out perfectly. I don't think that exists. But somehow people wanted to hold it to that kind of standard. There are things that I wish didn't happen. There are things that I wish, you know, I'd love to know how you can prevent speculation when it's something public that millions of people care about.

It's just very hard to do that. And it's not fair, but to be realistic, it's also fairly impossible to not have people speculate about stuff. And if you are one of the speculators sharing that, and I'm talking about a real person in the media, then that's more on you

than it is the Celtics. There's just such an arrogance in watching somebody else's problem play out and then suggesting, and again, all of us are a little guilty of it, whether it's you listening or me having this job, but to be someone that is consistently pointing out how, no, no, no, no, now that I've sat and watched for 24 hours, here's how I would have played that. When you know you don't have the information, right?

So the Celtics were trying to thread a very, very, not just the knee, a very difficult needle in feeling justified enough to suspend Emei for an entire season while also trying to not share that many details and be vague, but sort of with great conviction in the press conference. Because when I watched the press conference, I was like, okay, these guys, it was Wick and Brad Stevens. I'm like, they are pretty certain. They clearly feel good about their position on this as much as they hate having to be up there and just, and explain this, but they're only going to explain so much. They weren't going to share everything, um, to be sensitive to not just sharing all of this private information. All right. And that led into, um, you know,

some of the different ways this played out where it's like, wait, it's still somewhat private, but it's a public thing, again, that everyone cares about. So this is what happens. But they didn't want to share everything. So it was almost as if they were going, hey, we know this is a really big deal. This is a major news item. This will dominate for 48 hours. But we also don't want to have to share everything with you to justify our stance because we feel justified and at the same time, respect some of the privacy

in this matter, which is really like, think about that. I had a hard time explaining it, even though I knew when I wrote it down, I was like, this is what I'm trying to explain. That's not an easy thing to do. I think I do look at things differently where I go, okay, what was the challenge here? I'm like, oh man, that was tough. That was kind of tough. So instead of just going on, I'm just going to beat up everybody for, you know, I'm going to go with the Celtics, which is another thing that happens where it's like, we have a pretty clear person to blame, maybe two people to blame here. And now we're just going to try to run to blame somebody else and be like, yeah, I know what happened over here, but let's talk about what happened over here.

Be like, no, no, no, stay on the first part. Keep your eyes on the first part because that's the part that matters. So the privacy part of this came up. I don't know what the perfect strategy was for this, okay? But one that I heard was either just fire him or suspend him and tell us nothing don't air out any of this don't talk about a consensual relationship don't don't talk about any of these elements are you fucking kidding me can you imagine can you imagine the reaction if the celtics in sept, right before media day, right as camp is about to break, go,

hey, just a little tidbit for us this upcoming season. We suspended the coach or we fired him and we're not going to tell you anything and we're not going to hold a press conference. Can you imagine if they tried to do that? That had to be one of the dumbest suggestions I've seen in some sort of controversial thing having to do with sports that I've ever, and I'm talking about like not just real people. I don't bring any of these things up unless I see real people doing this. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

The amount of criticism where it'd be like, if you're going to do this, then you have to tell us something. It's amazing how that turns. So that didn't really make a ton of sense. There's also another reason why, I've mentioned this probably a few times. I know I have a good setup, 20 years of doing this. It's not really what I set out to do, but I have a good life. I'm not going to complain. So, you know, even though I'm good at complaining. But one of the reasons I don't like this job is

I know when something comes up, if I have no chance, and I'm not like a reporter, okay, but I've been around long enough. I have people that I can talk to, but there's still a lot of stories where something happens. I'm like, man, I wish I knew somebody involved in that. I wish there was somebody that I could call. But if I hadn't really developed the relationship and put the time in and then it's somebody who I don't know at all and something happens and it's the only time I've ever reached out to this person,

that other person likely is going to be like, fuck this guy. And I don't blame them. So I have a lot of sympathy when something comes up and you don't know really what's going on and then you're the person that's on the air, especially after doing live radio for as long as I did. I am sympathetic to, in the moment, having to react to something that's sometimes confusing, like this one was when I saw the Wojtree. I was like, wait, what? I didn't know. I've been on the radio plenty of times where something comes down from the wire and it's like a big deal and you're going, all right, well, you know, I did map out a potential trade for Chris Bosch here for this segment. So hold on, let me see how to navigate through this one. So I have a ton of sympathy for people in real time having to react to stories where we don't have all the facts.

And I feel like as much as I try to, if I feel a certain way about something, I think you can tell this if you've listened to me long enough, if I know something or I'm like, ah, you know, like I, I kind of go and it doesn't mean I get everything right either, but there are times that I feel really comfortable about talking about something or I'll hint at something. Uh, and there are also other times where I'm not super comfortable about it. And this was one I wasn't really comfortable about the beginning. Cause I didn't know the first information I got on this story. I was actually, it was totally wrong. It was completely wrong. So I'd ask this of other people that do this. There's plenty that have no contacts whatsoever, but I guess you just tweet a lot.

So you're like, I tweet a lot. I don't really know what the fuck's going on, but let's just hit send on a few of these. Okay, fine. I get it. You know, like, hey, I need to be heard from. But like, say you have a huge platform. Say you are considered somebody, I don't know, that's really plugged into the NBA that can get on the phone with any team, right? Supposedly and, and, and get it just a grasp. Like there are times where I'll go, Hey, I know you can't tell me not with this story. I know you can't tell me what's going on,

but can you at least steer me in the direction? I don't sound like a complete fucking idiot if I have this opinion of this story? And a lot of times people will help me if I know who those people are. And I've put the time in over the years. I can't fathom having hours and hours to prepare to how you want to talk about this story and still having no clue or not putting in any time to make sure that your first reaction is closer to being accurate. And the final thing I'll say on this, you know, I don't know when this will become part of the news cycle again, you know, whatever, I don't know what's going to happen. But let me ask you this question. Do you think the Celtics are just really stupid?

Try to take your fandom away from it. Do you think they just said, hey, we're about to break camp here in a couple days. Let's do something really fucking dumb. Let's get rid of our really good coach who proved himself in a big way. I thought he was a great coach last year. I didn't,

you know, in the beginning, I didn't know it was unknown. I liked the way he handled the team. I liked the way that he spoke to those guys. I liked that he got in, you know, there were two weeks,

two games away from winning an NBA championship. That's not who I thought that team was in January. It was one of the all time turnarounds. One of the all time turnarounds we've seen in season from a basketball team. I think the Celtics were like, Hey one of the all-time turnarounds. One of the all-time turnarounds we've seen in season from a basketball team. I think the Celtics were like, hey, let's make things really hard on ourselves. Let's completely overreact and do something dumb

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So let's get right to it. We love talking about the quarterbacks for the 2023 class. How many first round quarterbacks do you think there are at least today? I feel good about three, Ryan. Good to see you too, by the way. It's been a while. I'll just get right to it. Sorry. You know that. Yeah. No, I know. You're

all business now. We used to be friends and now it's just podcast only. I get it. You're a great return texter. My bad. Alright. Where are you? I think three. I think CJ Great return texter. My bad. All right. Where are you? I think three.

I think CJ Stroud from Ohio State's my QB1, if you will. I just, you know, there's questions. Like, is it so dialed down and made so easy for these Ohio State quarterbacks? Are they translating to the NFL? down and made so easy for these Ohio State quarterbacks. Are they translating to the NFL? But C.J. Stroud, to me, the poison's inside the pocket. He does have the mobility when he wants to use it. It seems like he's utilizing it a little bit more this year. One thing that scouts said to me coming into the season is that they want to see more of that. And I think we've seen a little bit more of that. If you put on a reel of his anticipation throws

and the ability to lead receivers and fit the ball in the tight spots, it's better than any other quarterback in this class. Now, in that same breath, there's also some inconsistency in terms of kind of streakiness would be the best way I could put it. So that's something that we're watching with Stroud. But to me, he's the most complete. And the other thing, too, talking to scouts coming into the season and just knowing what we know and what I know, I know size isn't everything.

And we've seen Russell Wilson overcome the 5'10 and change. But he was 5'10 and, like, 214 pounds at the combine. Bryce Young, who's my second quarterback on the list in Alabama, I had scouts go in this summer and say that he was just over 5'10 and he weighed in in front of them at 186 pounds. So that's kind of unique. You know, Kyler's not all that big. I get Russell Wilson's not all that big, but they're kind of tightly packed. Bryce is not just short. He's lean. And so there's concern about his ability to hold up in the NFL over a long period of time.

And I think that's why you're seeing a little bit of distance between Stroud and Young. I even saw the other day my boy Kuyper tweeted out his updated ranking. He has Will Levis from Kentucky, who's my third quarterback. He has him at number two ahead of Stroud. He also has Tyler Van Dyke from Miami and Anthony Richardson from Florida in his top 25, which I don't agree with. And maybe it's because I've had the opportunity to see Anthony Richardson against Kentucky. And he's the most physically gifted quarterback in this class. It's not even close.

But when I saw him, he was making his fourth start. Last year, he started two games, and he completed 33 passes all season. So you see the physical gifts, and you know what it can be. And he comes out in that first game against Utah, and he runs. He has that 45-yard run where he goes through his progressions and opens up on the left side, takes off running and he's this big guy at six, four,

225 pounds that can run and can make, you know, big time throws down the field. But the consistency as a passer is not there yet. And when you have a guy like Mark Stoops, the Kentucky coach has, basically the defensive coordinator and one of the best defensive coaches in all of college football, implement a game plan and get his players to play with the gap discipline and the leverage discipline in the secondary that

they played in, it kind of shut them down. And since then, we've seen defenses try to do the same thing. And AR is still struggling. So, and I saw Tyler Van Dyke two weeks ago against Texas A&M. Another guy, big. He's got a little bit of mobility, but he's a pocket passer, you know, true and true. And he loves, like he's at his best when he can throw down the field and vertical. And when he has receivers that can get open, he doesn't have those receivers. He's playing in a Mario Cristobal offense in Miami that is predicated on the run and conservative passing game.

And so it's just not working there right now. So to me coming into the year, there were big projections on Van Dyke and Richardson, but the projections are, you know, what we hoped we would see is not what we're seeing on the field. So I view those guys as kind of day two quarterbacks that maybe need another year. And especially in Anthony Richardson's case, like his focus should be on improving this year, coming back next year,

starting to win at a very high level of Florida because they're recruiting at a high level. And, and then maybe we're talking about him as the number one overall pick in 2024. But right now, even though he's got the physical tools to be a first-round pick, he's not playing anywhere close to that level. All right, I have a million follow-ups already. Let's start with the last two guys that you mentioned that you have out of the first round.

So Van Dyke doesn't have Restrepo as best receiver. He hasn't had him since the first two weeks. He gets benched this past week in the third quarter. Just not that good. And you're not the first person to say it, but this is somebody that may be flirting with a first-round thing if things were to work out. Basketball, it's always different.

I always feel like don't stay around too long and have them figure out all your flaws. Right, right. But does he feel like a guy that already needs to come back based on the first month? Well, there's that theory of don't stick around too long to have the warts come up. But there's also the more practical theory in this case,

Van Dyke and Richardson's case, like stay around long enough to start playing your best football. The history tells us guys typically that have success in the league are the ones that stay around a little bit longer, play 25 plus games in college football. It's not always the case, but the vast majority of guys that we're talking about in the NFL that are really high level starters are guys that played a lot of ball in college and there's there's it's simple but there's something to that you you have to have experience you're not just going to walk in the league against grown-ass men and like and think that your physical tools are going to

overcome your lack of experience it just doesn't happen it's very very rare so i think in both of those cases like get as much game experience as you can and continue to develop. Van Dyke has the physical tools to be great. He's adjusting to a new offense. Yes, he lost his top receiver. He truly doesn't have a guy who can get open vertically. That's what he does best. It's about developing.

I watched him put together a package i was with uh fowler and herb street two weeks ago doing that that a and m game down in college station and based off the first half he is staring down receivers like you'd see in a high school game and bringing safety like blatantly bringing safeties over to to you know break up passes at the last second that if he just looked him off for a split second and then came back to his initial read he's got a completion and those are like little things but they add up and it's it shows the true sign of where a quarterback is in his development yeah see i love that description because i think back immediately like all the huddle like anything that i'd watch of a high school quarterback in some recruiting video,

and he drops back, waits for the go route to the left side, and he's just padding the ball. He's never once looked anywhere else the entire time. All right, come on. Throws the pop-up. Guy catches it, and it's like, man, this guy's amazing. Richardson, to me, is disappointed, but you did bring up a good point. I mean, I think it's like 64 pass attempts total before this season in his career or just last year uh but i i'm i'm so

frustrated on saturdays with with one read and run guys like it's great that you can run it's right but then when you start talking about somebody being a first round pick and what i saw from utah's i thought i saw the whole toolbox i saw somebody patient, as you mentioned, was actually going through some of these progressions. And I don't know the Florida, like I like Florida's running backs better than the receivers. But then it was like, okay, maybe I'll burn you with this run here. I'm going to change my arm angle here. I'm going to roll out, but not to run. I'm going to just move outside of the pocket and get a passing lane.

I was like, this is really impressive. Because when I saw him projected as a first rounder, I was like, man, I don't know. Again, I hadn't seen enough. You were going on some of the tool stuff. And since that point, it's been a disaster. And so you're saying they've just changed the way they played him off the Utah tape. Well, Utah, typically we think of Utah, it's a big defensive lineman, really disciplined defensive structure, good linebacker play. Utah is it's a big defensive lineman, really disciplined defensive structure, good linebacker play. Utah is not Utah on the defensive

front seven this year. So I think we all kind of assume, but wait, if you can do this against Utah, Utah is always so buttoned up on the defensive side that he's going to be all right. Then Mark Stoops and that whole staff, I mean, they'll tell you, they were pissed. I mean, I was on the sideline during that game.

I can't even say half the things, obviously, that I heard. But, like, Heisman, my ass. Like, this guy's a Heisman? You're talking about him as a Heisman? Uh-uh. Like, every player, like, it was Heisman, Heisman, Heisman. It drove them nuts. And that's what Stoops did to motivate them.

Because he knew what to do game plan wise. It's one thing as a coach to know what to do. It's another thing to get the buy-in from your defensive players. Like we're not going to get a lot of sacks today. That's fine. But we're going to take this Heisman guy. Everyone's saying like in our, in our division of our conference is going to be a Heisman trophy winner. We're going to ruin his career. We're going to ruin his season today. Like that's our job. And if you buy into what I'm telling winner, we're going to ruin his career. We're going to ruin his season today. Like, that's our job. And if you buy into what I'm telling you, it's going to be over by the end of the night.

And the focus was pretty remarkable. And I've done 100 games in the sideline. But to hear every defensive player coming off the field, like, punching each other, elbowing Heisman. Yeah, that's Heisman over there. It was really interesting to watch. But when you take away that run element from him, he becomes pretty ordinary because he's still learning as a pocket passer

and he's forcing things. And everything, like when you watch the true, like when you watch Trout, when you watch Bryce Young, when they're in the pocket, it's easy. It's fast. It's efficient. It's distributed like a great point guard. With Anthony, if things break open and he extends a play

and there's a receiver open down the field, you've got huge play potential, like chunks. But the easy stuff is not yet easy enough, if that makes any sense. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Okay, so you've got Levis this week. I feel like I should like him more. And I don't know what the hesitation is. And again, all this is...

Well, first of all, I'm going to jump in here. Because he's your kind of guy. You know, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn, like weight room fanatic, bench press, squats, you know, big chest, big arms, like all that stuff. All the stuff that I don't have, that Brady doesn't have. It's the only time in my life I'm ever going to put those two names together.

But you know what I mean. Find me a quarterback in the NFL who's like a weight room legend that's a real success. Jalen Hurts. All right. Yeah, he's more lower body. He's more like the 600-pound squats. Yeah, he's a big squat guy.

The point is, remember we used to always talk about it, and this is when you and I were hanging out a lot and talking about it, but Tebow was too pumped up. And the short throws and the layups, not for you, I know. I saw your head nod. And Brady Quinn was a perfect example. When you can rear back and just drive the ball down the field yeah there's like there's accuracy there but when it comes to

like touch and finesse levis is missing inside the strike zone too much and and taking away from yards after catch and sometimes missing just outside the strike zone and it's leading to incompletions so that's like a little thing that he has to work on. And I've talked to scouts and the people in Kentucky, and they all say like, hey, yeah, it's great. He's a legend in the weight room. And it's great because it gets everyone else involved and he's leading by example. But they have to reel him back in at times.

And because it's like, we can't get you too pumped up where you're not able to make these easy throws. And so I just think his short accuracy suffers from his obsession with weight training. So that's going to be something he has to work on. It's not going to get solved in the next few months. But hopefully when he gets with a quarterback coach and with the right training regimen leading up to the draft and into his NFL career, he'll rectify that. But on the flip side, the thing with Levis that I think people kind of don't know yet and hopefully will continue to get the message out, this guy's work ethic, leadership, personal

character, football character are exceptional. I've got two points from scouts. I rarely write things down that scouts say, but when they stick out, I always try to write it down so I have it for the draft prep. One guy said, if you find a single person in the building or on campus that hasn't been won over by Levis or isn't just absolutely heaping praise, please let me know because that'll be the first. And I've spent months trying to dig on this guy. Second one said, what do you say?

Whatever your grade is on tape, when you're done studying the tape, that grade is only going to go up. So that's the baseline. But I promise you, it's going to continue to rise from the second the season ends to the day of the draft in late April, because he's going to absolutely murder the pre-draft interview process. That's how good he is. So he's a really talented player. He's a better athlete than people want to give him credit for,

maneuvering inside the pocket and all that stuff. He's got a big arm. He makes throws down the field when given the opportunity. He's in more of a progression read offense this year, and he's excelling with his reads. But what you get from a character standpoint and just a willingness to work and grind through it. And I was talking to Todd Blackwood today because I'm doing the game with him and Sean McDonough and Molly. and Molly.

He was saying that he talked to Peyton Manning, and Peyton sent him a voice text saying that of all the quarterbacks they had there, in terms of everything intangible-wise, including Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, all the other guys, he stood out the most because of the way he works. He's a pro already. He's a fifth, sixth-year pro. Okay, the top two guys then.

Bryce is probably my favorite when you combine what you watch in a college game. This is somebody I've seen now multiple times go, okay, and this is what I love about the really good quarterbacks. Like, alright, this isn't working out. Our guys aren't getting open. The O-line

isn't holding up. I'm missing somebody. Our tight end's on the sideline i i need to kind of step up my risk here i need to start figuring this out on my own and i've seen that from bryce multiple times but there's a point of no return on the size qualifiers and and i'm glad you brought it up because like the russell wilson part of this like it started with breeze a bit bit. And then it's like, well, if Breeze is small, that means that, you know, Russell Wilson can be good when he's small,

but Russell Wilson is really, really thick. And he's, he's a terrific athlete. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, is everybody small?

Okay. Now. And when I watch Kyler, who I think is probably the best athlete in the NFL, him being small is showing up to be a detriment more on Sundays than I think people want to admit. And I remember watching Luka before the NBA draft going, God, this guy's amazing. He's this young. He's played against men. He's one at this high level. But I don't know if he's that quick twitchy perimeter thing that I need out of all NBA guys.

And guess what? He isn't. And it doesn't matter because he's so damn big and he knows all the angles and he puts his hip right on you and dribbles right past you and it's super easy. But it doesn't mean then moving forward, I go, hey, this guy's not athletic and he's a perimeter player. Okay, well, Luka worked out. And I think there's this trend now with quarterbacks where we think all small guys, it doesn't matter anymore, when I think Wilson and Breeze are still the exception. For Murray, you can see he has problems sometimes seeing past his own offensive line that I wouldn't be in a hurry

if Bryce Young's really 5'10", 180-something, even though he might be my favorite personality on the field with the way he commands a college game. That still would scare the shit out of me when we're talking about a top five pick. Yeah, he's going to be the most interesting player to evaluate. And there are going to be guys that are like, I don't care about the size.

And then there are going to be guys that are like, he just doesn't fit the prototype. And it's going to be from team to team. I can already hear the conversations that I'm going to have in March and April with NFL GMs. And again, it's just like i'm not worried about it we're you know like the way he moves in the pocket and then there are gonna be other guys like i just you know my job's on the line like we can't we can't use a top five

pick on a player who doesn't come close to me meaning the prototype and let's face it the prototype used to be six four to twenty five now25. Now it's like 6-1, 6-2, 2-10 with more athletes. We're all adjusting to that and that's great because that's how the game's changing. It's more in space. It's more about distributing and speeding things up. There's something about Bryce Young, though. It really comes down to your instinct and your experience evaluating. There's something about Bryce Young, though, it really comes down to your instinct and your experience evaluating. There's something about Bryce Young that makes me think he can be the outlier.

Like the guys you just talked about, like they're the outliers, right? Russell has definitely been the outlier. Drew Brees was definitely an outlier. I think he has those qualities, like maneuvering inside the pocket to find passing windows, playing in the biggest games and find passing windows playing in the biggest games and playing his best football in the biggest games carrying his team when when they need him to pick him up and just throwing him on his shoulders and doing whatever it takes to win the texas game was a great example late in that football game i also love the fact like it's when you have first

round wide receivers when you like even last year with Metchie, I know it wasn't a first-round, but it would have been an early second-round pick if it wasn't for the injury. Jamison would have been probably the fifth or sixth overall pick. Jamison Williams, had he not got injured, he still went high in the first round with Detroit trading up for him. Now he doesn't have that. And we can get into Alabama recruiting, and I hear everyone,

it's just not the same, And Alabama doesn't have it. They're not the same team. And I don't tend to agree with what a lot of the stuff that's being said. They don't have the speed and experience on the outside. But for a scout, for an evaluator, this is gold. Like, all right, now you don't have all the stuff that you bought, all these great toys around you. Now show me what you really are. And if he keeps playing at a high level and keeps, like,

raising the bar for Alabama and making them, finding a way to win, then we're finding out who he really is as a player. Because it's not easy, but it's not as hard as, like, Will Levis has it at Kentucky to go out and throw for 320 yards and put up four or five touchdown passes. Now he's got to grind to earn it. So this year is going to be huge for him. And if he continues to find a way to win and to get it done,

then to me, he's proving right in front of our eyes against the best competition you can play in college football that he's capable of overcoming that size at the next level. Also, people are super spoiled about this Bama run at wide receiver. We're talking about four first-rounders in a very short amount of time. Mechie was a terrific

player. People forget, it wasn't always with Bryce Young, but it was Sherry Judy, Jalen Waddell, Henry Ruggs, Devontae Smith. Then you get a transfer. Jamison Williams comes in from Ohio State.

I still argue the best player in college football last year, the most impactful player in all of college football was Jamison. And you got Metchie, who does all the dirty work, on the opposite side. It was like the perfect combination. So you're talking about six receivers that are absolute superstars in college and five of them that are first rounders so that's what you've been dealing with at alabama for the last what five years now four or five years and now it's different they don't have those guys yeah and i also think it's a mistake too to just write off this entire core they didn't have any experience

really with the receiver and I felt even now granted it's Vandy but looking at some of that game I'm like you know a couple of these guys are probably going to pop are they going to pop where you're saying this guy's a certified first rounder a couple years from now no that run is unprecedented but almost only challenged by the next guy

that I want to talk about in Stroud because physically Stroud I like him better than Bryce. I got to see Stroud throw in person. It was really impressive. I mean, the ball is a projectile out of his hand with a really compact. I mean, it's like just a rocket launcher on the kid's shoulder and seeing it in person against other, you know, top college guys and the best high school players at the position.

And you're like, man, when Stroud throws it, it's a little bit different. Ohio State's the only other program that can argue about all the first-rounders are going to put in because they still have a couple guys right now that are studs after Wilson and Olave. So I'm going to ask you this about

the Ohio State quarterback situation. It's not entirely fair. I don't like making assumptions of like, because we've had runs before. Remember the stupid, like, don't take a running back from the Big Ten. Like that went on forever because a bunch of them flamed out.

And it was like, do you really think they're doing something with their running back specifically that prevents success? You're like, no, there's weird runs that we have. I know I've talked to you in the past about different programs, like which programs run stuff

where it makes sense. You've talked about Oklahoma and what Lincoln Riley does where you go NFL people like what they do and they find it applicable. We've talked in the past about Baylor, how it just wasn't. Is Ohio State so good in their system and with their wide receiver? And here's Stover now looking like a stud who switched over from linebacker, defensive end, tight end. This may have a little bit of a fields thing in it, and it's just a theory.

I could be wrong. You'll know better than I do. But sometimes I wonder if they set it up where it's so easy for the quarterback that the NFL becomes more of a challenge for an Ohio State quarterback because I feel like guys run wide open with what Ryan Day and all those guys do in Columbus. And on top of that, how much more talent Ohio State has in comparison to the rest of their schedule

than, say, even an Alabama does against other teams in the SEC West. I totally agree. There are multiple layers to this onion that you have to peel back. There's a lot there. I threw a lot at you. I know, but I think it's worth it real quickly. I think, first of all, we have a perception of Braxton Miller and some of the other quarterbacks. They were more athletic guys that didn't work in the NFL because their skill set didn't work in the NFL.

Braxton wasn't an NFL quarterback. Right. But there have been quarterbacks that come out that just didn't have the skill set. And remember, Ryan Day hasn't been in Ohio State forever. They didn't have the skill set. And remember, Ryan Day hasn't been in Ohio State forever. But recently, with Ryan Day there as coordinator and head coach, I do think they do as good a job as any team.

I'm not saying better, but there are some teams on the level. But they're as good as any team in college football at getting their receivers open and making the reads kind of easier for their quarterbacks. And I think with Justin Fields, we all said it pre-draft. I know I said it, and I know a lot of scouts I talked to said the same thing. He gets stuck on his primary. And I think a lot of their offense was predicated on, you know, make this read, and if the quarterback winds up sitting,

then you're going to go to the high the quarter if the corner you know is dropping back in 3d zone or whatever it is then you're gonna take that underneath like make it a one read and then if not take off running or then we try to get to the the second read but it was a lot of one read and getting stuck with justin fields and we've seen that become a problem. It has been a problem in the NFL, but he's still adjusting to that. I don't see that with Stroud, though. And with Ryan Day, and I haven't asked him to talk to him about it specifically yet, and I'm sure I will leading up to the draft, but it seems like they go through more progressions. I watch his eyes. I watch his helmet. I watch the all-22.

You can see what the receivers are doing. Then you watch the end zone copy, the tight copy, and you can see his eyes going from right to middle to left. And he does it as fast as anyone in college football, probably outside of Bryce Young, in terms of how quickly he diagnoses what they're throwing at him and gets to the next read. So, yes, I understand the history, but I think this guy's different.

It's probably the short version to the answer I want to give you. I really enjoyed Hartman, Sam Hartman from Wake, this week in the Clemson game. I don't know that that's the best offense, that long mesh, where you're like, wait, does my quarterback supposed to read the mesh or the defensive lineman? I'm running up two yards.

Yeah. However, that dude can freaking ball though. Okay. Kuyper doesn't even have him in his top 10. I don't think I've got him at like 11 or 12 right now too but like there's something about can he stay healthy he's undersized he doesn't have kind of a popcorn kind of arm like

i just i don't know if he has the tools but like it won't shock me if he's in the league for a while as a backup or number three for you know like and then just climbs his way up he just finds a way. He's going up against defenses that are so – Clemson's so superior athletic. We're talking about two guys in Murphy and Brzee that are going to be probably top 10, top 15 picks. You've got the linebacker.

Not the corners though, right? Not the corners this year. But I'm saying in in the offensive line, yeah, they're a veteran group and all that, but there's always so much playing together and playing hard and technique that's going to help you against top 10 picks. He's one of those guys you just want it to work out for

because all he does is win. They have to score 40-plus every game to win. And I just picture, like, he's smaller than me. I just picture, like, me standing behind my, like, modest offensive line looking at, you know, number 11 and looking at number 5 and being like, oh, God, we're in for a day. But he's not phased. Just like, yep, here's what we do. Here we go.

Mesh it up. Put green ball here. He just finds a way to get it done. He's a day three guy. He's probably a six-round pick in that range. I'm interested to see him in a camp, in a pro-style system, learning things. Smart guy. I'm interested to see if he

can hang around. The thing that jumps out, and you'll hit me up after you do the full breakdown, is he has some of that. I love how you've done a more full breakdown than this. I know. Well, look, I'm here to help. That's what buddies do.

These guys have these big powerful arms and the velocity and we get all semi. And then it's like he's he is just throwing like oh i need just a little bit of touch on this one i need this one over here i need i don't know i felt like his accuracy it almost jumps out now more because it's it's a bit like basketball where you're like oh wait this guy actually knows what he's doing it's not just the physical gifts this guy actually knows what he's doing. It's not just the physical gifts. This guy actually knows what he's doing a little bit. Again, I'm not saying he's a

first-rounder or something ridiculous like that. It's funny every year. Basically, after the first three guys this year, maybe, or in some years, it's five, whatever it is, but you reach that line between two, three, and five quarterbacks. After that, you're really just talking about backups, right? Like who are going to be good backups in the league. And they have to be smart. They've got to be able to do the starters homework. They've got to be good and productive and helpful in the QB room. I think people, people are always like, well,

why would you take him so limited? It doesn't have potential to develop. Like, because my starter is going to play almost every game and almost every snap. And so I need a guy. Yeah. Come in, light a fire, come in, kind of hang on.

And mostly, like, it's about the prep work during the week and giving you the looks that you need and doing all the intelligence things. But you get past, like, the five, C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young, Will Levis, Tyler Van Dyke, Anthony Richardson that we talked about. Then it's a bunch of guys like that one. Jaron Hall from BYU. Jake Hayner looks like a rec league point guard, right? But the dude just balls at Fresno State. Hendon Hooker's playing a lot better.

He's continuing to develop. You love to see that at Tennessee. Tanner McGee, smart kid, not very athletic, good arm, but he's got some potential. Cameron Ward from Washington State is a player who's played really well early in the season. Devin Leary, not a great athlete, but kind of can cut you up with his arm. NC State.

Keaton Slob is from Pittsburgh. I mean, there's a lot of those guys that you love in college, and they're great college players, and you just want them to have success at the next level, but there's a cap on like the physical tools you know you've got to have a certain amount to even develop in the nfl as a as a starter you know davis mills is a perfect example what is you know what what is he going to be in the league like he's played well enough last year he's played well enough at times this year does he have the supporting cast around him those these guys are

all kind of in that, they're not as good as Davis Mills. Davis Mills is kind of right in between what you really think has the starting potential and what you just know, even if he has his best career, he's still going to be just a really good backup. Yeah, he's going to be somebody in this group, like, hey, they're on a team, they're on a roster, they survived.

Because when I look at depth charts for quarterbacks like i'll notice that the i feel like the league kind of kills its own depth because they'll draft guys the third fourth round they bring them in they've spent that pick on them so they have to keep them on the 53 the guy never gets any fucking reps ever and then he just gets replaced by the next guy so like he never right so there's some of those lifer but there's less lifer backups in the nfl than there are the next new guy that you're either hoping gets an opportunity which you're not really rooting for because it means your starters out or surprises the hell out of you by going like a dac prescott pick where you're like wait we actually have a real thing here somebody that went later that we didn't expect. So

it doesn't, the way it's set up with backup quarterbacks, it doesn't really lead to any kind of development. And if it's like a Davis Mills who you're evaluating going, Hey, this guy's a pro, like he's better than, you know, 90% of the people that we're going to be talking about over the course of a season. But if he's your starter in the NFL, you're going, we can't do better than this. And that's kind of the curse of it all like yeah you're good enough to be one of the 32 guys to start and your franchise is going to want to replace you every single year all right let's say honestly I don't think he would be a good starter and his him being a backup no I'm not saying that I'm saying I'm just saying like in general how good of a life does that dude live? I'm totally taking it in a different direction.

Like 13 years. I can remember you and I were on the sideline from game day years ago. Do you remember? Do you remember I turned to you? I watched the split drops with all the – and then he doesn't have to move on his drop back in that Missouri system. I had to do the short stuff. And I turned to you and went –

I just turned to you and like as a prospect i'm going no fucking way no way because seeing it live i'm like i totally agree like he's just a shortstop gets it pivot turn to and he's been in the league 13 years the tackles are outside the hash marks i i want to say i've heard something ridiculous like. If you broke his salary down by snaps he's taken in the league, he makes $300,000 for every snap he's taken in the league. Something crazy like that. Get your research team on it. We'll get them on that now.

Okay, a couple more things here. You're the GM of the team of the number one pick. You need a quarterback. Do you take one from this class or do you take Will Anderson from Bama? I take C.J. Stroud. If I need a quarterback, I take C.J. Stroud. You got to have one.

And I believe in him. I think he's going to be, I don't know that he's going to be a superstar, but I think he's going to be a damn good starting quarterback in the league. And I would take, I mean, I love Will Anderson, don't get me wrong, but I would take C.J. Stroud and feel really good about it. And I should say this, Will Anderson, I can't say definitively that he would have

because Trent Baalke kind of has a different, you know, set of standards for picking players and went with Trayvon Walker over Aiden Hutchinson because of the size and he fits the mold that they're looking for. But if Will Anderson was the first was in this past draft, he wasn't eligible, but I would have taken him number one in this past draft. That's how good he is.

So I want to ask about Micah Parsons because he's turned into probably one of my like, I don't watch any NFC East games anymore unless it's the Eagles. That's my new rule. I've put the Eagles back in. But if it's Dallas and New York, I'm going to do something else. The NFC East has fucked me over for years.

I'm not wasting time with that division. Other than the Eagles, though, obviously. Did you watch him last night? No, I did not watch the game. I did not watch a second of that game. There was a play when he was working like the B-gap as a rusher, and they reduced him down. I forget the offensive lineman.

It's classic. It was like Glowinski. Yeah, it was Glowinski, I think. He got him on his heels, quick first step, and just flattened him. And then just launched at the quarterback. The ball got out, but he just blew up the play in like 2.2 seconds. It was remarkable. He's a freak.

I mean, he's different, man. How much better is he now than what your projection? A lot of people, I mean, he went 12th. If you knew he was this, now we're talking about a potential number one overall pick so what was your parsons breakdown compared to who he's become i loved him i want to say i had him as like the fifth or sixth best player in that draft he was an off the ball linebacker though who was great at blitzing i didn't i knew that he was going to be employed more as a blitzer but he's 6-3 and changed 246 i knew that he would be used in that way but not to this level and he also can cover don't forget that part like he can do all three sideline sideline run

best pass rusher in the nfl right now probably right i mean you can make it i saw a graphic last night on the game in terms of pressures per snap, whatever it was. He's almost a third better than the next guy. Although, I'll tell you, Nick Bosa had a move against the left tackle on Sunday night. That was gross. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Where he scored inside of him? Yeah, I watched the whole game. I just love Bosa. How low and long is he in his stance? Oh, my God. He looks like every time I look at his stance, I go, no one's ever been longer head to toe or hand to toe in their three-point stance in NFL history.

Someone in TV needs to do a close-up from-up. But from the eyes to the fingers, or even when he's, like, standing in a two-point stance, of the offensive tackle that's about to go up against Bosa. Just to see, like, the nervousness level. Like, is he pale-faced? Is his hand shaking if it's sitting in the ground? Like, I can't imagine,'t imagine rolling out of bed that morning and being like, I'm going to go up against this son of a bitch

for 60, like 50 something snaps tonight. Parsons, Bosa, they're fun to watch. Yeah, right. Garrett's in the conversation. It turns into you don't want to leave guys out, but Parsons just feels like

he's at a level right now. And you add in all the other stuff that he could do, that that feels like it's the right choice. And even though I make these NFC East jokes or whatever, like, I'm going to watch Parsons. Like, he's just, he's like. Parsons is the most interesting player on the field every single time. I don't care who's the quarterback.

I don't care what receiver's out there. Parsons, to me, is must-see television because he does stuff that very few people have ever done. Von Miller was really unique. He was smaller. He's just always been special. In Texas A&M, they could drop him into coverage. He looked like

a strong safety. Comes off the edge with the first-step quickness I don't think I've ever seen. The anticipation and first step. He would be on offensive tackles don't think I've ever seen, the anticipation and first step. He would be on offensive tackles faster than anyone I'd ever evaluated with Vaughn. Parsons is so unique to me. I remember standing next to him. It was a warming-up Penn State game.

It was like a noon kick, big 10. I think they were playing Illinois. I don't know why. Illinois or Indiana, which is a bad game, bad draw we had that week. But I'm watching him in drills, and it's like, you know, it's Penn State. They've got a bunch of dudes that look the part, and, like, you could be dropped on this planet

and not even know what football was. I'm like, who's the guy that's different here? And it's Parsons. He's only 6'3", 246, but his arms are down to, like, between his ankle and his knee, like, to his shins his arm like he's just different like his muscle like he looked different and the way he moved like exploding up the field and drills and then dropping into coverage it's so smooth he's i mean i'm not

saying anything that people don't know but i'm telling you i've done this for 20 something years now like they're they're all there are only a handful of guys that you wash tape and you're like that people don't know, but I'm telling you, I've done this for 20-something years now. There are only a handful of guys that you watch tape and you're like, oh, shit. That is different. Think about it. I watch 425 players a year, probably 200 or so defensive players a year. You see a player and you're like, okay, that's different. Von Miller, different. The Boses, different. I know they didn't run fast and all that, but the way they played the game is different. Miles Garrett, physically, just different than everyone else.

And Micah was different, but also so unique that he can retreat almost as well as he can go up the field. And what he does up the field is better than what anyone in the league is doing right now. So who's better, him or Will Anderson? Him. And Will Anderson's different too. I mean, I didn't realize.

Will Anderson, did he lead the FBS in tackles last year or was tied or something like that? And everyone's saying, well, he's dropped out. Teams are running away from him, double teaming him. Get off. The tackle for loss sack stuff, man.

I mean, just all you have to do is go, is he destroying everything they're doing on the offensive line? Like, is he screwing up everything? Like Khalil Mack, I think Prime Khalil Mack is in this conversation

a little bit there too. Yeah. You were just like, wait. That game came against Ohio State that to me was like oh okay I got it now you know you know I don't want to name another name here because it's just now I'm naming names to name names and this this needs to be a very sacred group here so let's let's not add to it um what do you got your Kentucky Ole Miss this week and what what's that? It's a noon Eastern kickoff, right? Yeah, I'm fired up, man. I mean, Chris Rodriguez is coming back.

We're running back from Kentucky. He's been on suspension. You got, obviously, Will Levis. We'll see if Evans, the running back from Ole Miss, is going to play. But most of, like, Kiffin versus Stoops. I mean, one of the best offensive lines in the game versus, I just already said earlier, one of the

best defensive minds. It's going to be fun to watch. And the series is always tight. This is going to be like overtime or like last second play. It typically is that kind of game. You know who's not afraid? Jackson Dart's not afraid. Say hi to my guy. No, he's not.

I just can't wait to type, like, Dart and Dart or some kind of nickname. Flickin' Flacco. Flacco's dialing him up right now. Is he? He's throwing a lot of passes. All right, my man. Todd McShay, great to see you as always.

Let's catch up again later this season, all right? All right, brother. I'll talk to you soon. Okay, it's week two of our college football top 12 rankings here on the podcast so let's get to it number one is Georgia they're number one in both the AP and the coaches poll I have Ohio State number two I love their offense I love their weapons Stover the tight end who's converted defensive player we mentioned earlier McShay really quickly both their tackles like one of them I think is a top 10 pick the other tackle is really good as well

and you know I don't know how you put Bama ahead of them right now but the coaches pull and the coaches pull historically is a mess you know it used to be part of the BCS formula the AP removed themselves none of this really matters but if you really like we used to really lock into some of the coaches pull stuff here and we would would just laugh realizing how much they give benefit to the doubt more than the media does. But they have Bama with 26 first-place votes. That's 26 coaches voting Bama number one. AP is only four voters voting Bama number one.

And again, in both polls, they're ahead of Ohio State. At this point, I would go with Bama. They are number one in defensive yards allowed per play, so that means they could technically be argued that they're best defense. I don't like using stats still. It's going to get a little bit better as we get into more conference play

and some of the schedules start to balance out a little, not always. By the way, the number two defense in yards allowed per play, James Madison. I have Clemson fourth. The AP has him fifth. I'm not going to do this every single time. Michigan's kind of the standard number four. I like the Wake win by Clemson better than Michigan's win against Maryland, even though Maryland's pretty good. I think Maryland's going to be a good team. I think they're great. The other, Tunga Vailoa, was terrific in that game. He got beat up pretty bad as well, but he's a baller. So I would get Clemson ahead of Michigan.

Not a huge deal there. I have Kentucky a little higher. I have them ahead of USC. I dropped USC from fourth to seventh. I'm worried about that defense. I'm worried about some of the tendency stuff with Caleb Williams, despite the insane talent from him.

And the defense is like 51st to this point. And we don't have a real signature win from them. Although, yes, I understand the history with Oregon State. That's always been kind of difficult for USC. I don't know. If we're talking about you being a potential playoff team, we are going to grade you with a harder curve on this one. All right.

Eighth, Penn State. I feel like Penn State's resume is just a slightly bit more impressive than Oklahoma State's. Oklahoma State's just always hanging out in that kind of 7-8-9 range. It's just unbelievable. You look up and you're like, hey, Oklahoma State's still undefeated and they're in the top 10. I have Tennessee 10th. That's a little lower. Again, still some of the stuff is guesswork. This is where it gets a little interesting because NC State's 10th in both polls.

We'll find out this week against Clemson. I can't wait for NC State Clemson. This is weird. Back-to-back weeks where I can't wait for the ACC Clemson versus another ACC program. Non-traditional program in the matchup, but I'm really looking forward to that one. I'm going to go Oregon over NC State over Oklahoma, who I had 11th in the spot., caught some shit for that. They lose to K-State. Win for the Ry guy. Whatever. I'm going to have plenty of these that are wrong as well.

I don't even like that sentence. So let's go with this. I'm going to go Oregon over Utah because there is an element of like, wait, who do I think would beat who? Like if I had to watch Oklahoma and NC State at this point, it's that balancing act of your resume and the cost of a loss and how many times can you say, well, I still think this team would beat this team. Okay, but when does your resume make you no longer eligible for that being the tiebreaker?

You know, all of these things kind of change, and that's why I just don't understand why people get so upset about having to do the polls all the time or what their reaction is to it, even though sometimes I do it as well. But I have the last couple, again, Tennessee 10th. I'm going to go Oregon 11th. Just because of the win for BYU,

I think it's more impressive than the wins for Utah. And I don't know, you could compare the two losses. Utah was more competitive in their game against Florida than Oregon was against Georgia. What do you think about Florida and Georgia right now? Blind. 12th, I'll keep Oklahoma because then it starts to become a matter

of would I pick any of these other teams against Oklahoma? I don't think I would pick Ole Miss. I don't think I'd pick NC State. So Utah is out on this one. At that point, that's the win there more for Oregon. So there you go. Georgia, Ohio State,

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Availability and eligibility may vary. Worst take, submissions. Again, the podium is still what? Arenas? Gilbert won on the Giannis take. Bart Scott, too, on his many Chiefs takes. We kept Perk in there

on the Lakers having the best defensive backcourt with Russ and Pat Bev. That's our three. We might have a contender this week. I do. The Lakers propaganda this week was all-time immediate. Maybe we'll do a little media week wrap-up at the end of the week,

maybe on Friday's podcast. But I didn't want to get that into the open. Okay. So I had a submission that Kyle also has. And because we need to improve the vibes on the podcast, I think... Throw me a bone. Shucks. I think... Throw me a bone. Shucks. I want Kyle to have this one.

I don't even have one now then because we have the same one, which is okay because off of yours, I think I can add to it. So it's the same topic. It could be different submissions on the same topic. So the floor is yours.

Okay. Wow, thanks so much, man. Really appreciate it. Yeah, things are turning around now. Yeah, I feel great. So the floor is yours. Okay. Wow. Thanks so much, man. Really appreciate it. So things are turning around. Yeah, I feel great. Great start to the day. So it is football season. I think it's bad that we have two NBAs on the podium. I just, there's enough time for that. We'll get there. So this, we will Charles James, the second yesterday morning said that Daniel Jones is just as good as Josh Allen. He just don't have an offensive line.

Good night. I guess it was yesterday night. I don't know what it was. But he, I mean, I think that's knocking one of these three off. That's just a fact. And I love that it's football. I love that it's insane. I love watching Daniel Jones run around the field on whatever day of the week it is.

So I just don't see how you can look at that and be like, that's just Josh Allen with the worst line. Charles James is everybody's hard knocks guy, right? There with the Texans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You liked him a lot, Cerruti. I wouldn't say that.

I think that was the last hard knocks I watched. He was an enjoyable guy. It took me a second to realize who it was at first. He's got a decent amount of followers. He's firing off some hot takes, trying to make some impressions. I get it. I agree with you, Kyle. I think that's going to be a contender here.

I thought this was a mean segment. I thought it had mean undertones. I don't think it's mean. Obviously, we're all joking. But this was the first time I was like, oh, I get it. I'm in on this one. I got this. I think it could be mean at this so oh i think i think it

could be mean at times yeah but i don't i don't think it is and look at my my two a thing i think that could be nominated again later on if you know i don't think he was great against the bills necessarily but that's not really the point like if the dolphins really do something and we're talking like big time two is tough week 11 week 12 i would go ahead and submit i had another football quarterback take that because of the 201 because i don't want to do every week something i'm afraid to say and then say it because then it becomes the breakout video and it's kind of like those old sports center days we're like hey do you have like a really bold bold prediction and you would just be like what something that's definitely fucking going to

be wrong so you can play it on dot com, I don't really want to do that. I don't mind being wrong, but if you're telling me that you really want me to say something stupid that also ends up being wrong, and then I come back next week and you're like, hey, look at this.

Look at this idiot. We let him back in the room. And you're just like, what the fuck, man? So I have another quarterback one that's pretty dangerous. Not dangerous, but dangerous. So to add to the Charles James one,

the reason why I think we can do it together, because then I saw some New York media members suggesting that because Josh Allen got off to a slow start that Daniel Jones is ready to turn the corner at any point. You're three? Which is, it's seriously one of my favorite things that happens in quarterback evaluation

and it goes back to the old Peyton Manning thing because anytime your favorite quarterback throws a million interceptions everybody just goes well Peyton Manning had 28 picks in his first year and you're like cool and then what happened? So Daniel Jones now we are what what, in year,

year four. Wow. Yeah. We're in year four now with him and I didn't think Josh Allen was very good the first two years. I think it's pretty clear. Those fans seemed to really get upset

about that argument too. Like, who gives a shit? You have arguably the best quarterback in the NFL. So, still some work for Jones to do here in year four.

Good one, Kyle. You too, right? Yeah, man. High five. You guys are Kyle. You too, Ryan. Yeah, man. High five. You guys are back. All right. We're just people helping people here. I'm going to piggyback. I've got two small ones from people who I think will probably be multiple-time offenders

on this segment, but they're not candidates for the podium, but I'll just say them real quick. Ryan, I sent this one to you and I was arguing with Kevin Clark about this. Feinbaum said on GetUp, and Fe uh and fine bomb again is going to have more in the future so this isn't even he's got yeah he's got some human torch tendencies well he's the guy that you know he likes to be he likes to get out in front of takes like where it's like hey this is kind of maybe brewing maybe not but i'm gonna be the first to definitively say it on get up or on you know and that's kind of like his thing now.

And a lot of people do that. So it's not just him, but it is what it is. He said that Georgia looks like a better program right now than Alabama. And I know he's even said this on his own show. Like he's basically insinuating that Georgia is the premier college football program over Alabama. That may prove to be true, but he's just trying to get ahead of this because at the end of the day, like we're going to need to speed more than

one title. Were we doing this when Clemson won two? We were saying that they were equal at Alabama, but didn't pass Alabama. I don't know why. And again, this isn't an anti-Georgia thing, but I don't know why we're so quick to be like, Bama's lost a step and now Georgia's the it program in college football. It just annoys me.

You know who else tried to get ahead of people? Jesus. Think about that. There's that. Look how that turned out. Did I combine or compare Feinbaum to Jesus? Maybe. I remember Cal Heard doing this take nine years ago.

I think it was nine years ago where he was basically like, Auburn has taken over the state of Alabama. He was like, you know, Malzahn, it'sabama he was like you know malzahn he's got like it's futurist you know it's like it's tech it's future it's planning it's scheme it's this bama is this and it just was like i don't know that i want to i want to start now and here we are nine years later didn't exactly play out that way uh suggesting that gus malzahn had figured things out and saban was like it was passing them by whatever like you want to tell me Georgia is heading in that direction fine Bama's number two in the country okay uh the

recruiting classes are still off the charts and however long that baton handoff is from the greatest run we've ever seen in the sport to the next team, I think that handoff takes a long time. That's not something that just, hey, title, couple weeks into the season, yep, it's you guys. I don't think you can safely, you can predict it, but I don't think that happens this quickly. And it doesn't mean Georgia isn't better right now. We're talking about the transitioning

of the greatest superpower in the history of the sport to the next team. And that takes longer for me. Yeah. Real quick, other one is Mike Florio tweet and listen, he's going to be on here as well. He said, could Jacoby Brissett win enough games to keep Watson on the sideline once he's back? Spoiler alert,

Deshaun Watson's going to be the quarterback when he comes back. Yeah, most money ever to a quarterback, most guaranteed money ever, guaranteed every single dollar, never has happened before in the history of the sport. I like Jacoby Brissett, too, but yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. All right, let's vote.

Man, that Deshaun Watson one, though, that's up there. Does that replace one on the podium? No. I mean, I think that's Florio. I don't know. We'll save him. Deshaun Watson and what he did. But I think he's extra bad.

I mean, he just wants to... He kind of tries to prove a point. I don't know. Oh, okay. I didn't pick up on that. I think that's the angle there. But no, I think the first one, though, I would say... Listen, if I'll take the first vote,

I don't think it quite passes the Bart Scott like no one's afraid of Mahomes anymore. So I'll say I think it passes Perk, though. I'll put it in the third spot. Me too. Absolutely. Wow. Let's all be on the same team here. 3-0, unanimous. All right. Here we go. You know her as a golfer, former golfer her youtube videos uh i was watching some of them this morning a lot of good instructional value there don't play much golf anymore um she's a major presence on social media and she was named maxim's 2022 sexiest person alive

which is a super high ranking considering how many people there are. It's Paige Speranek. Thanks for doing this today. How are you? You still got the last name wrong. It's Speranek. Yeah, I sure did. I think we'll just leave that in there. Speranek. No, leave it in. We have to leave it in. Yeah, we have to leave it in.

I was like, wait, that Maxim line wasn't that funny. And then it was like, no, I got her name wrong. All right. Other than having a complicated last name that nobody seems to know how to pronounce your background is, is really interesting. You're a big time recruit. I know you've been an athlete your whole life, family, big athletes. Um, I think the interesting part of the transition is, is after college golf and trying to figure out like what you're going to do and who you're going to be, you know, that's weird for everybody, but you're a little bit in the spotlight. Can you take us through the timeline of events of when you're just this

anonymous golfer trying to find her way to one post on, what was it? Total frat move? Total frat move. It was just on. What was that like? Yeah. So kind of a crazy background. So I was actually a competitive gymnast before I switched over to golf. And I wanted to go to the Olympics and do national team. I ended up fracturing my kneecap twice and having a couple of really bad injuries. And so at the age of 10, I was in the gym seven days a week, eight hours a day. And that was my whole life.

And so once I decided to quit that, my parents actually forced me because they were like, you're unhappy. This is not good for you. It's an unhealthy environment. So let's find something that you can be good at. And so I always wanted to be a professional athlete. That was my goal in life. And that's what I always wanted to do.

And so my aunt, she's a professional tennis player, used to be a professional tennis player. And so she went through like a little boot camp with me. And I was like, it's just not for me. I don't love it. And so my dad took me out on the golf course and I fell in love with it. And so that is why I dedicated my whole life to, and I was being homeschooled at the time because I was a gymnast. And so I just continued to be homeschooled.

I put all of my effort into golf and, um, was a top rank junior golfer and was going back and forth. If I wanted to turn professional at 18 or go to college. And everyone around me said, go to college. You need to mature. You need to grow. Because I didn't really have any interactions with people my own age from the age of 10.

So that's when I started being homeschooled. And they're like, it'll be good for you to just go and grow. And so I went to college, had a bit of a tough college experience, went to University of Arizona first, transferred to San Diego State. And by the end of my college experience, I was like, I don't know if I want to play golf anymore. I don't really love it. Put the clubs away for two weeks when I was done with my senior year. And two weeks later, my dad was like, you know what, let's just,

let's give it a go. You know, we'll support you. We'll help you out. One thing that people don't realize is how expensive golf is. And you see the guys on tour and they're making so much money. And it seems like such a great lifestyle, but for the girls, it's really different. And so I didn't have any financial backing. Um, I wasn't in a good place financially. My family wasn't either. And so we're like, we'll figure it out, but I want you to try to play professionally. And so I was caddying. I was running junior golf clinics. I was doing anything I possibly could to get money to pay for my golf career. I ended up winning this tournament in Colorado and I was sitting at this

frozen yogurt shop with my mom and I'll never forget this moment. Literally the moment when my life changed. I was looking at my phone and everyone was blowing me up. And I was like, that's weird. How did they know that I won this like random Colorado tournament? And it turns out that total frat moved. They wrote an article about me and I went from having like 500 followers to 100,000 followers instantly overnight. The article went viral and my whole life changed within that moment.

So all these brands are reaching out to me. And I was having to do all these interviews. I ended up getting an agent like a week later. And I started to leverage the attention I was getting into just deals that I could get golf balls and clubs and money to pay for my golf career, because that was still the main focus. And I never really wanted to do media. It wasn't something that I felt comfortable doing being in front of the camera. I remember taking public speaking classes in college and my professor was like, sat me down. He's like, never, never speak in front of the camera. I remember taking public speaking classes in college and my professor was

like, sat me down. He's like, never, never speak in front of people. This is not for you. Like, don't do it. So I would get so nervous and I'm a bit introverted. And so the only reason I started to pursue that was to pay for my golf career. Okay. Can you take me, like, I want to go further into, like, it must've been crazy. Now, granted, with the sports background, like, you were recruited, so you've got people interested in you reaching out. But, like, you say you signed with an agent. Now you're doing sponsorship deals. How crazy or how dumb were some of the suggestions or the people just going like, oh, no, I want to rep her, like, have meetings with you? Like, were you able to filter that out or do you look back? I'm sure there's moments of it where you're like, I can't believe I took a meeting with this person or whatever. But just people jumping on the train and trying to figure out a way to build the momentum that you'd picked up in a very short amount of time. Yeah. I think it's funny. Everything happens for a reason. And there were so many mistakes that I made along the way, but I felt like that humanized me. And it really connected me with my audience. So people who've been following me from the beginning have seen all of the mistakes that I've made, maybe the bad brand deals that I did,

just being overexposed and doing things that didn't feel really comfortable to me because there was no path to do this. And I don't think people realize that there was no Instagram golf world back then. I was the OG, I paved my own way. So there was really, no one knew what to do. And even when I was talking to agencies, they're like, you either play golf or you do modeling. There was no kind of this in-between that I was doing. And so, yeah, there were a ton of people

who were confused with what I was doing. I didn't know what I was doing either. And they're just like, let's they're just like let's try this let's try this let's try this and see kind of what sticks and that's just kind of how i started doing this so you get an exemption right to play in dubai yeah okay the look on your face immediately is like i mean i know you've talked about all this stuff already uh this is i think maybe when we first because i'd been on espn this whole time and like we didn't we didn't talk much men's golf you know we'd have like van pelt when i was co-host with him we would do a lot uh canel's a big golf fan but it just was you know it was basically the majors and and whatever um but then you know you're getting all this attention. And then I was like, man,

she gets dragged for everything she does. And then I started noticing a little bit too. We'll get to it. But it goes from, wow, this is a great opportunity to now it feels like the overnight viral thing is being countered by overnight everybody being super pissed off at you. countered by overnight everybody being super pissed off at you? Yeah, it was hard to say the least. So I remember when I got the call to be invited to play in this LAT event in Dubai, and I hung up the phone, got in the fetal position and just bawled my eyes out because it just was happening so quickly. All of this happened within a span of like six months. And again, being very introverted, I didn't really know what to do, but I knew that I had to do this to be able to continue to play golf professionally. And that was my main goal.

And so I talked to my parents and they're like, you know what, Paige, you're going to Dubai. It's an LAT event. No one's going to be watching. No one cares. It was my first professional event. I get there and it was a shit storm. Like it was insane how much press this got. The tournament director, who has now become like a really close family friend, he said it was the number one red sports story in the world. it was the number one red sports story in the world. And we got more hits and more engagement than when Tiger Woods played in the male equivalent of that tournament in Dubai. And he's like, I didn't expect this. And I didn't expect it either. But yeah, you, I was in Dubai.

And I just remember sitting there being like, Dwight, is this the life that I want to live? Because you check your phone and it's just like the most horrible, horrendous things that people can say about you. And I had no media training for this. I wasn't like bred to do this. It just, I was a normal 23 year old college kid who was completely clueless and really was just, I wasn't ready for that moment. I truly wasn't ready. And I think looking back, you can see that now too, where I, after the, my second round, I was crying in my press conference or the interview after. And then the next year I came back, I was crying again. It just was so much for me to handle. And I did one, I didn't handle it well, but again,

I think this goes back to like mistakes in my career that people have said that I've made. I'm so glad that I did that. I'm so glad that I cried. I showed that I am human because at that time in social media, it was all about being perfect and showing how great your life is and never failing. And I felt like I was one of the first people to be like, I'm depressed. Like I have a lot of anxiety. I can't handle this. This is really fricking hard. And I just want to like crawl up in a ball and die, like actually literally die. And that's how it feels. Cause it's just all of a sudden you go from nothing to having the entire world, which it feels like on you constantly

judging every single thing that you do, what you wear, what you say, how, what you post, how you live your life. And it was, it was exhausting and it was highly overwhelming. And it took years to be able to handle that. And I look back at like the person I was when I was 23 compared to who I am now. And I'm, I'm a completely different person. I think I've hardened a bit because you have to, to survive in this industry online, but I was super vulnerable and it was, it took a toll on me for sure. Yeah. I, I, you know, it's very easy. And you know, when I'm younger and I think about like how I would feel or how I would say things and I don't care, like, you know, I'm not, I'm not a jerk, but you're just, when you're outside of it, you're just so much more, you're just, you're just quicker to be like, oh, you know, I'm going to just hate on this person or whatever.

And granted, I didn't grow up with social media the way you did in that, you know, I could just go and post and, and dump on anybody in the public spotlight, but it's so desensitized, you know, it's so desensitized. That relationship is very weird because I do think fame feels like it's more obtainable than ever before. So I don't know if the resentment builds because before it was just so there was such a gap. It never felt that obtainable. Like you thought you'd had to do all these things to get there. So maybe you weren't as resentful. I don't know. I'm working on this theory, but the point of what I remember when you did the golf digest cover and you caught all this shit for that. And I'm like, okay, wait a minute. They've had actors like Jimmy Kimmel was on the cover of it.

The SNL guy was on the cover of it. They do some pretty provocative covers with other female golfers. And what are we talking about? It's a magazine. They want people to pick it up. They want people to look at it. And instead, it becomes, oh, Paige isn't good enough as a golfer. And they're putting her on this to sell it. It's like no shit.

No shit. They're a business. I mean, it's why some people get to be on TV and other people don't get to be on TV. Like this is a pretty simple formula here. And the idea that you're supposed to just stay indoors the rest of your life to pretend you're this altruistic person not taking advantage of the attention. I just thought it was incredibly unfair and it was really disappointing. I think even, you know, I felt like a couple of my colleagues were going at you where I was like, all right, like, are we pretending this is not the way the world works?

You may not like it, but are you pretending this is something new, which it certainly wasn't. Yeah, there's something really polarizing about me that I have one of the most loyal fan bases there possibly could be. But I have people who really, really hate me and hate what I do. And the hard part is that I don't have the women and I don't have the men on my side. being like, this is feminism, you know, a woman building her brand and building her empire. And let's just be real. Like you have to use what you have to get ahead in life. You just have to. And I don't shy away from being sexy. I don't shy away from my image. And I use that to my advantage. And I think that rubs people the wrong way, but I become really unapologetic about who I am and what I stand for. And I think it's empowering being able to be who I am and to make money for it. Yeah, look, I know people like the content my NBA takes, but, you know, I know part of the success of this podcast is my body. So I don't, I'm not going to apologize for it.

It's such a burden, isn't it? I was like, man, I hope she laughs at this. Okay. All right. That's the thing. That's like, you have to have such a good sense of humor to be able to handle everything. And when I first started this, I didn't. And I was really sensitive to all the criticism.

And now I'm like, who cares? You can say whatever you want to me. If you look at all the comments that I get on anything that I post, they hilarious and you just have to laugh it off so yeah i will never take anything the wrong way even the wikipedia picture oh my god that's rough though that is rough we so i it's one of the most unflattering pictures that has ever been taken of me i It was like after a five-hour round of pouring rain, I look like a wet dog and I'm like half talking and someone snapped a picture and put it up and we've changed it like five times

and someone's fucking with me because they keep putting up like a minute after we try to change it and it's just, you know, it's there. It'll never leave me. No, I was convinced that ESPN was determined to not let me become too famous because the PR pictures

they would use of me, not that I'm the most photogenic person, I'd be like, you guys have to be kidding. Like, are you sitting around in a room going, use that one, he looks terrible.

And then I'd be like, can we update this one? Your Wikipedia picture, I'm almost, my theory going into it was maybe this is the way to counteract DMs where it's like,

oh, maybe I'll, oh, who's this? And then it's like, oh, I'm going to DM, and then they look up the Wikipedia and they go, ah ah nah don't worry about it um but anyway anyway uh i'm gonna change that immediately after like change wikipedia page immediately good luck are you messing with me are you the one that keeps changing it i hadn't seen it until today and i was like do I bring this up?

But I'm like, I'm sure she's aware. It's rough. It is rough. And so anytime I post a picture, people put that picture up and they're like, you don't look the same. And I'm like, nah, I look bad. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.

What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Okay, let's get to life

advice. We have some really great questions here. Lifeadvice.com Okay, here we go. Alright, this is a really wholesome one. Six foot 230. Guys, just chime in with that. Just don't worry about it. Writing in for thoughts or advice

about getting the girlfriend and her daughter, she's got an 11-year-old daughter involved in golf. For context, I'm an avid golfer. I take it seriously. I'm a seven. I don't think he means looks. I think it's

his handicap. My girlfriend and her daughter have expressed interest and wanted to go out for a round with me. I know where this is going, but we've done the Topgolf thing. We've done a few range sessions. They're not exactly hitting it straight or far. Where you'd expect beginning golfers to be at skill-wise, taking them out on the course makes me anxious.

Pace of play, golf etiquette, my sanity would all be tested if I take them out on the course. They for sure don't want to spend the hours it would take on the range to get to a skill level where I feel okay playing 9 or 18 with them. What are your thoughts? Is taking them on the course just a pipe dream and we should stick to top golf? Or do I need to suck it up and allow them, for lack of a better term, hack it up out there and take the consequences? I mean, he's a 7. So he's probably giving them shitty advice

and that's why they're not improving. So I would say that the best thing that he could do is get them lessons with a real pro. One of my biggest pet peeves is when like the boyfriend or the husband who's not a good golfer to begin with is trying to give a new golfer tips and they're just messing them up. They're like,

no, no, no. Your grip needs to be this way. And I'm standing there listening. I'm like, don't listen to him. Don't listen to him. So I would say the best key is to get them lessons with a real professional who can teach them the game. And also there's different courses. Like you don't have to go to like a top golf. You can go to like an X golf, which is a simulator. And it kind of, it literally simulates real golf and you can buy out the time. So it's not like a real golf course. We have to keep pace of play. There's also executive golf courses that are shorter. You go to par three golf courses. They can just pick up. Um, chances are the seven handicap is probably playing from the tips where you should be playing from about two tee boxes up. And he's the one that's actually slowing everything down.

So I think that he needs to check his ego and realize that you can go at certain times during the day that are less busy and have it be a more fun experience. And it doesn't have to be 18 holes. You can play nine holes at twilight. You can do six holes. It really doesn't matter. But just be patient with them. nine holes at twilight. You can do six holes.

It really doesn't matter, but just be patient with them. If they're asking you to get out there and they want to play, especially the 11 year old, you don't want to pay for college. The best way to get a full scholarship is to get in for golf. So I think that it will pay off in the end if he invests now. Okay. We got another one here.

Uh, what's up here. The details 31, six, six, one 85. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot for a swing.

Alright. Only body weight exercises I've done. I've dad biceps from carrying around the baby. We had a debate earlier on this life advice segment where some people felt like your arms do get stronger when you have a baby from holding it all the time. Other people said that's just not true. Scholars are still

arguing about it. So just to keep you up to date on what that reference meant, he's from Texas. All right, let's cut to the chase. Father-in-law is a member of a golf club not too far away and has always invited me to play. Super tough life, I know. The catch is I think what he does on the course is cheating and it's starting to bother me. He's a good golfer, around a 10 handicap, but without fail, he improves his lie every single time he goes up the hit. I mean, every single time he spaced that out for emphasis. He's a serious golfer and logs his scores and is openly admitted to adding strokes to good rounds to keep his handicap higher. This comes in handy when he's playing member tournaments at his club or his buddy's club,

like a tournament he just won two grand at last week so what do i do just by my time let him do his thing thinking he's hot shit and get to play free golf all the time or do i joke that it's a stroke every time he uses his club to improve his life or distance myself from the situation play less golf but with people i enjoy uh page are there any times you've ever turned out around a golf because of the group you'd be playing with, I'm sure you get asked to play all the time. I've heard so many people doing that where they'll add shots onto their score so their handicap stays at a decent level. And I don't actually mind that because most people, when they're playing a fun round of golf, they're not following golf by the real rules. And so they'll give themselves three footers. They won't,

if they lose a ball OB, they're going to take, you know, like just drop it there instead of going back to the tee. So in a tournament, they're actually probably playing around the same amount. So that doesn't bother me. I will say that once I stopped playing professional golf, if I have a bad line, the bunker, I'm fluffing that bad boy up. I am making my life better. fluffing that bad boy up. I am making my life better. I don't care. I am improving my life. So I am all for the stepdad here and the son-in-law just needs to suck it up. I mean, it's free golf. Who complains about free golf? That's ridiculous. Okay. We got a million questions about just transitioning from the attention to influencing and figuring out strategically where you want to be. Now, for somebody who's at the entry level of this going,

all right, how do I... Because I don't feel like I have the one email page that nails it. So I guess I'll just ask the broadest version of it. When you're giving people advice about how to make that transition and to make it work, it doesn't mean it works for everybody. But what do you think the most valuable things are that you learned from looking back at that time for you? From transitioning from just getting the attention into actually having a sustainable business? No, I guess like maximizing the presence, like making it a career. Because I know we handled

some of it in the beginning when it first blew up for you. But the business side of things are things that you're still learning about it that you could share. Again, I wish there was one that was more specific, but they were all kind of like different versions of it where it's like, hey, if I'm this person and I'm trying to figure out how to have a better social media impact to maximize it. And again, I think I'd caution everybody. I see these videos and everybody's trying to figure out what's the last thing that hasn't been rated yet that I can do. We've got a bunch of people cooking in their backyards. It's like, okay, I got it. Your lane is very specific to you because you have the skill set to go along with all the attention that you've gotten. But is there one part of your social media strategy that you could share with somebody is there one part of your social media strategy that you could share with somebody who's trying to figure out

if that's something that's actually a career for them? First off, it needs to be really authentic to who you are. So the reason this worked for me is that it's just who I am. Like I said, there was no Instagram golf girl before I started doing that. So I made this into a career. And I think the reason I've been

so successful again, is because I want to know how to play golf. And so I have the knowledge in the background, but I also just feel very comfortable in who I am and who my brand is. It's very much me. So when you look at other girls who have tried to emulate exactly what I'm doing, it hasn't worked because that's not who they are. And so to be successful in social media, you need to have the engagement and the followers. And it's talking about things that matter to you, that are important to you. I think a lot of people now are doing things for shock value and they just want the fame and the attention and to be an influencer, but you really have to focus on nurturing your, your followers. And I don't really consider them followers. I say they're my friends because they've

been through this journey with me. And no matter what happens it's with Facebook or Instagram or Tik TOK or YouTube or the podcast or any Avenue that I go, they're going to follow me because they like me. And so you see a lot of people just trying to do something that someone like an Amber, Emma Chamberlain has been doing, you know, she just sits in front of a camera and she talks while she is witty and she edits it in a really fun way, but people watch her because they like her. And so you can't just pick up a camera and start doing something and following someone else because you don't have that relationship with your followers. It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of energy. I do all of my social media myself. So if you get a comment from me, it's from me. I read all of my comments.

I read all of my DMs. I answer my DMs. And you take the time to do that because it's going to pay off in the long run because if you respond to someone, they're going to be a fan for life. And I don't think a lot of people put that energy into the people who are following them. I wouldn't have a job if I didn't have the amazing followers that I do. And so I've been able to branch off and do so many different ventures because again, no matter what I do, no matter what I create, the merch that I do, I know that they're going to interact. They're going to buy it because they want to support me because I support them. And so it's really this relationship back and forth, but you have to give a lot to receive. Okay. We'll switch it up here. This is

from a guy checking in. The title is publicly approaching a nine. If you're a six, our guy here is 28. He's 5'7", 165. He said, not unhandsome, but exceedingly plain looking. Okay. So just get that picture in your head. He says, I'm probably a five to seven on the look scale, depending on how much my height is a non-starter. I don't think I'm particularly superficial

and genuinely care about personality when evaluating women, but am nonetheless attracted to a very good looking women the same as everybody else. I'm reasonably confident and a funny guy and also more rejection tolerant. I like that phrase rejection tolerant than most in my experience. Because of this, I'm pretty willing to approach women are clearly way out of my league from a looks perspective at bars or other public social activities. what uh it usually goes the way you think it would but i've had a few successes with occasionally uh keeps me coming back to the well in spite of a pretty high turndown rate the one thing i've run into that generally annoys me in these scenarios is a few times women have sort of given me this attitude like they think i'm delusionally arrogant about my looks and are also simultaneously offended because they think i'm insinuating that i'm in their league by approaching them. While I am completely cognizant that I'm trying to do is hit a half court shot, some women appear to believe I'm under the oppression, I'm shooting a free throw and are not impressed. And can even get a little insulty, I would presume to teach me a lesson in humility. So my question for Paige is any advice how to approach women

or a woman who is out of your league that doesn't make you look like an arrogant psychopath which also doesn't force you in a position where you have to neuter your appearance of reasonable self-confidence. This guy's got beyond reasonable self-confidence. I'm actually, I went from like being impressed, unimpressed,

unimpressed, like it was a whirlwind by introducing some version of, hey, I know you're too good for me but you want to you want to start that one yeah i don't really know what i have for this one i would say that um if i'm out somewhere and someone approaches me um if you just have like a good opening line and you're funny and you're engaging i'll talk to you um it doesn't matter and you're funny and you're engaging, I'll talk to you. It doesn't matter what you look like, who you are. I think that's obviously the most important thing. If you do start off and you say something where you are kind of making fun of yourself, I don't actually mind that either. I think that's okay. But I mean, it seems like he has a pretty

good success rate for, you know, what he's doing. So I'd say just, just keep it up. I don't really have much there. Has anything ever worked like, Hey, you know, I'm a little bit older and have a boat because that's something that works. You think? I mean, it depends. No, it wouldn't work for me. Cause Oh, that's a no. Huh? Okay. Yeah. Cause money doesn't impress me. I can buy whatever I want. So it's not like I need that from someone else. I would say like having a good sense of humor and someone who is engaging in the conversation that seems actually genuinely interested.

That is like if I'm talking to someone and I see their eyes like going up and down, up and down, and it looks like they're just looking at my chest the whole time. I don't like that. And even though I'm setting them up for failure, a hundred percent of the time, it's like, just, just have a little self-control for like 10 minutes, 10 minutes. That's all I'm asking for. It's all I'm asking for. And then I'm like, okay, he's a winner. But if I can, if I catch you looking and you're not like, if you're not sneaky about it i don't like that okay a lot of good a lot of good notes in there um i want to end on a on a like a really good one here i'm trying to sort

through them all all right let's see i think there's a couple others that i tagged here um should i read this long relationship one here or do you want to do another golf one relationship ones are fun. Okay. This one's really long. That's why I was a little... Oh, this is about the guy. We were suggesting maybe on Monday's show that we pick up a shift bartending just to

spice up the social lives. But then a guy responded that his wife let him work at Taco Bell 10 hours a week and that the family loves it. And he comes home with made up stuff that's not on the menu. So I'm not going to read that one to you just so you know. Okay, here we go. This is per page. Alright. I'm Sean. It's a bit long here. 59170. I met a girl on Tinder in early August. I was infatuated from the moment we sat down at the coffee shop on our first date. Heavenly beauty.

That's a full stop. That a sentence heavenly beauty this guy's a romantic that's impressive i like that yeah i could not believe she didn't get up and leave okay this guy same guy from the other no because the other guy would have been more confident he wouldn't have expected anyone to leave all right so beauty right things went, and we had a bunch of micro dates. More on that later. Coffee, lunch, et cetera. For the next week or so, I would have invited her to my place sooner, but it was a catastrophe! And I was definitely living up to Bachelor of the Lifestyle.

It was a functional living space, but not homey in the least. Okay. How old did he say he was? 29? He did say... I think he's 30. So yeah, start cleaning up your place, man. Late 20s, 30. Girls don't want to come over and see stuff everywhere unless they're hoarders and you have something in common.

All right. So thankfully, the day she suddenly invited herself over via text, my place looked amazing. So I guess that was a good day for his place. Or least amazing adjacent. I put in that work. That night we became intimate and things were seemingly going great. So it lasted, what, 20 seconds compared to 10? Wait, are you making fun of his sexual prowess?

Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing. That was a sexual prowess joke. All right. I wasn't expecting that. Okay. That was good. All right. So going back to our first date and all the micro dates, there was some shadiness on her

part. She was working remotely in my city. We'll leave that out. He also says where she's from. We'll leave that out. I learned that she was leaving Labor Day weekend. All in, we dated for three weeks in my city. In

general, she's a busy gal. I'm not going to get to her job either. We met on Tinder, so shady aspects were noticeable, but I wanted to give her grace. On the whole, I didn't have any issues with the sketchy parts to our relationship. I was so enamored with her and still am.

Uh, she brought color back to him into my life. This guy's, this guy's got the way with words. Surprise. He doesn't do better. Um, and after three years of single,

after a four year relationship, it felt all caps, incredible to put in an effort for someone. She even borrowed a book from me and read it while she was here. I'm picky when it comes to dating. This girl left me with no reservations. Okay. He gives us a couple examples of her sketchiness.

He said we could skip it or not. I feel like that's important to the story. Yeah, I agree, Paige. I agree. Okay, so let's get it in here. On our last weekend, we met at a gym early Saturday and climbed a bit. I left so she could do her thing. We had plans to meet up later at 11 a.m. and go to the coast.

Prime shady behavior here. No communication from her until 1130 when I had to text her. All right. So she was 30 minutes late? Shady, yeah. Yeah. Are you a sidekick you like yeah they're like on a relationship that's weird they were supposed to meet at 11 he had to text her at 11 30 okay so we met up and she told me why it took so long talking to some van life bro at the gym

talking her ear love ear off excuse me i wouldn't normally care I'm not a crazy jealous dude because I'm dope. Sounds like someone who's crazy jealous. Me. I'm a nice guy. If you have to say that you're a nice guy, then you're probably not a nice guy. He goes, he didn't care about being late. We got the dope part.

That was him describing himself. Except we had plans. I figured she'd be excited to do something all right man she was 30 minutes late and you had to send a text and you think that's there's far sketchier shit people can do than not respond to a text 30 minutes later and i'm telling you right now like i'm just jumping in with the advice before we have the summary you can't text somebody you can't be freaked out and go it's been 30 minutes, and then send that text. That sets a weird foundation for how freaked out you're going to be about stuff all the time. Yeah.

Do you have anything to add to that? I agree. Okay. Couldn't say it by myself. All right. So I will not interrupt again. I'll finish the rest of the email, then I'll let you take it from there. All right.

I backed off for plans for the day. There was another day. We went back to my place, hung out for a couple hours. I don't know, Paige. You said they hung out for a couple hours. She rinsed off. You wrote that in the email? And came back into the room with a different temperament.

She wanted to do something together. We ended up going up to the coast. Perfect day trip. She said she had a bit of a background. I don't mind. She's 25 and fine AF. I respect it, honestly. And I'd already suspected this might be the case. So I wasn't bothered. Again, just happy to spend time with someone I enjoy. After a couple hours in the car, we drove home. The next day, we met up in the evening, got beers, ended up at my place. She stayed the night. It was truly great.

The next day, she left. I talked with a couple people and decided I wasn't going to reach out to her. It was best to let the feelings go, embrace the pain and try to move on. She texted me that weekend. This weekend, I'm meeting her in another city, four nights, got a concert. I'm psyched for that. Rented a car, actually a truck he rented. Wanted to let us know he's a truck guy, not a car guy, so we can do fun stuff. I cannot wait. Here's my question I need for advice, knowing that she's probably not in this for love, etc. What can I keep in mind? Tell myself when I'm in that moment. It's a weekend for fun. That's what I want.

Even though I'm in love, I don't need or want to be the focus. It's a chance for us to keep getting to know each other, experience, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, tips, tricks, whatever. So, I guess his question is he's basically head over heels for her and he doesn't want to fuck it up. Okay. Okay. I feel like he already did a little bit i feel the email makes me think there's more i think there's more of the story uh that he is just leaving out i feel like the micro dates a little

bit weird i feel the term yeah that's like what does that mean is that like you just get coffee that's what it meant there yeah okay just get coffee i feel that from what he said with a lot of missing information to make himself look better that she's probably getting frustrated because he's not putting in the effort that's like planning really cool dates this one seems cool the concert seems like he's he is four nights too it's not a two-night visit it's a four-night visit yeah so it's a little bit longer he got the truck like he's trying but like if someone kept asking me just for coffee all the

time and just like not really putting in the effort and then they like expect you just to stay over and she like when he said like after she came back and she was like, well, what are we doing? So she was probably feeling maybe a bit used on her part. And like, she's starting to detach from the relationship because he's not putting in enough effort and maybe subconsciously he's not putting in as much effort as he should, because he doesn't want to get hurt because he's feeling so in love with this person. And he's feeling like she's pulling away. And so I think a lot of guys when that happens, they want to really protect themselves. And so they end up kind of putting up this, this wall, and they don't put as much

effort in and they think that they are. But from a girl's perspective, I know that I've been in past relationships where once they feel like they start to like fall in love with you or start to like you, it freaks them out. And so then they start doing random shitty things. Like they'll say stupid things or they'll say a comment about a girl or they'll do things that are just out of character and it's a way to protect themselves. So maybe he's potentially doing this and giving her big signals because I can see her texting her friends being like, he's not planning anything for for me all we do is just like hang out and then we hook up but where are the dates like he's not taking this to the next level and he seems like he's at wait late

20s early 30s and that's kind of a point too where it's like you know put a little more effort in like you're an adult yeah i mean it sounds like they're doing some chill you know like that that's that's college level like you need to up your game buddy okay that's another good note for the listeners that weren't even emailing the show it sounds like they are doing some so i just think he's super into her and he's probably gonna fuck it up because he's not like this guy just needs to chill out he needs to completely he needs to lower his expectations like he can feel the way he feels but like don't blur it out immediately at the concert hey i'm in love with you like you know what i mean and i'm afraid like this guy's like a 50 50 chance of that happening after a couple micro brews he also is putting her on a pedestal of being like this heavenly beauty and this perfect

person that he's in love with and after what they've been dating for three weeks they dated for three weeks but they kept in touch so yeah like at that point it's like you don't really know someone like all that well and i think like guys can like build this person up in their head to being so perfect and so amazing and every time she does something that's a little off script for him then he freaks out and i think from what it sounds like he has a tendency to be like a little bit jealous and a little bit controlling yeah the 30 minute text thing you think oh i don't really have the best track record with men so i don't know if i should be giving relationship advice i'm like this guy seems like a real catch yeah no you liked him in the beginning when he said

heavenly beauty and then you turned on him quick yeah i love a narcissist that can gaslight me and love bomb me so maybe that's why i'm like oh man this guy's awesome this is a lot of fun i really appreciate you taking the time out of the day i know you're super busy um i want to let you know like whatever you want to promote just go ahead and get it out there i'm not going to pretend to know what's important to you what isn't so just go ahead okay you can follow me on Instagram at PaigeRenee because people don't know my last name, can't spell it and or say it. So that's why I went with Renee, but everything else is my full name. So you can watch my YouTube videos, which is golf instruction, course logs, and so much more on my full name, Paige Spranick, Twitter's Paige Spranick.

And then I have a podcast called Playing Around, where I also give some shitty relationship advice. So you can go check that out. And yeah, if you want to hop on and be a guest, I'd love to have you. Perfect. Yeah, no, people thrilled when I start giving out parenting advice with no kids. So thanks, Paige. I was I was ready to start pronouncing the name right at the end there, but you took it away. So I don't have to do that. Hey, thanks again. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Okay, now that we said goodbye to Paige, we spent so much time trying to figure out how to say her last name because I always thought it was Spironic. And then Sruti's like, no, it's Spironic. And we went back because you'd like to know how to pronounce the guest's fucking name. And Paige was like, no, no, it's sporadic and we went back because you'd like to know how to pronounce the guest's fucking name and page was like no no it's actually sporadic and i wrote it down and then we started the interview and i fucked it up again so we left it in iron sharpens iron trying to get better

every day okay so uh that's the podcast for today we'll be back on friday danny and mandola will be joining us we're still going to do some different stuff. Really excited about some of the guests coming up. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Saruti. Brian Russell, the podcast bringer, Spotify. Outro Music