The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Trent Dilfer on Lessons From Brady vs. Bills and Elway vs. This Generation. Plus F1 With Kevin Clark

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

Russillo shares his thoughts on what we learned from the Bills' overtime loss to the Buccaneers, the Bengals' overtime loss to the 49ers, and Ravens-Steelers (0:41). Then Ryen talks with Super Bowl champion Trent Dilfer about Bills-Buccaneers, Justin Herbert's deep ball, thoughts on Russell Wilson's performance since his return, comparing QB generations, Urban Meyer and the Jaguars organization, and more (9:37). Then Ryen is joined by Kevin Clark for Going Abroad. They discuss the final race of the F1 season, the Abu Dhabi Gran Prix; world champion Max Verstappen; and the controversy that followed the race (51:12). Finally Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (1:11:53). Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Trent Dilfer and Kevin Clark Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

today's podcast trent dilfer on his monday visit what he saw from the bills versus brady kind of good verse great some quarterbacks how would elway stack up today and a little bit on the number one high school quarterback being talked about right now, who's actually not a high school quarterback anymore, but one of the most highly recruited guys that is leaving Ohio State and headed to Texas. And you know we're going to do it. The final F1 event. Max Verstappen, world champ.

Going abroad, Kevin Clark. I'm going to run through a quick open before we get to Trent Dilfer and then going abroad with Kevin Clark. I'm going to admit some weekend. I think these are weekend confessions, right? That's kind of what I want to tell you because I went into Friday, Saturday, Sunday, basically this week 14 of the NFL going, all right, reading stuff, prepping up, going, all right, this is how I feel. And basically the first one was with Buffalo going out to Tampa Bay. I'm like, can we just get the Bills to have a respectable loss? Can we have a loss where I feel like, all right, this is a good Bills team.

I'm okay with it. And you know what? We got a respectable loss. They got it to overtime. But I think the 24-3 part is more alarming because I'm going to tell you all the time, and it's not always consistent. It has to do how I view the game, which may be the same or completely different from the way you view the game.

And a lot of times our own personal bias is what motivates how we process a game in this. Because if you're a Bills fan, you're thinking, hey, this is great. We went down to Tampa, took them to overtime, might be the best team in the NFC. You know, again, I would lean Arizona, maybe Green Bay ahead of them. But certainly Tampa is in that conversation. That's great. I don't know. I don't know that that was great.

And Sean McDermott after the game, too, kind of lamenting the first half, second half offensive approach, zero handoffs to running backs in the first half. I think the 24-3 thing for this is more damning than it is that Allen threw the ball a million times. You actually had 100 pass attempts combined in this game, especially not being able to close it out. I think the human nature part of it, as I've said, for the better teams that get up big, they're going to relent a little bit

and then all of a sudden you're moving the football and you feel like you're in it. And the really reason you're in it is the defense just is not as engaged every possession when they're up three scores. So the Bills, I mean, when's the last good win here?

Is it week five against Kansas City when Kansas City was a mess? And that's kind of the college football resume stuff that I always despise, is that if you watch every single week and you have a good sense, like Wisconsin's a perfect example. When is a Wisconsin win against Wisconsin good? Because beating Wisconsin late in the season is a lot different than beating Wisconsin

when I thought they were absolute mess. I think Notre Dame falls into that category too. If you're watching every single week, you can keep a sense of this. So when Buffalo beats Kansas City, when we thought week five, wow, that's a really nice win for the Bills. And we saw Kansas City was a disaster, both offensively and defensively. And now defensively, they've been crazy for six weeks. And Mahomes gets going against the Raiders here a little bit. You're like, so was that even a good win in week five? Now the Bills are probably going to end up with 10 or 11 wins here. They got Carolina at New

England. Good luck there. But then Atlanta and the Jets. But looking back, remember the Colts beat the Bills in Buffalo 41-15 and we couldn't figure out how the hell that happened. Maybe that was the warning. Maybe that was the real thing here. That this imbalance thing with a franchise quarterback in

Allen, who was in a boot apparently after running around all day he had over 420 yards offense he had 100 yards rushing on top of everything else um so you got it to overtime but you lost to Brady because Brady's the best quarterback as far as QBR is concerned right now in the NFL so I don't know that we got the good loss it'll look like a good loss maybe you're selling yourself if you're a Bills fan and that being a good loss but I think we'd all if you're being very honest about it going this is a long stretch now of a Bills team that just isn't what we thought they were supposed to be maybe we got kind of Carolina Denver on them where Buffalo we like the talent

better that the schedule the beginning of the year was just easy and defensively the numbers were off the charts they were like 30 better on some that the schedule at the beginning of the year was just easy, and defensively, the numbers were off the charts. They were like 30% better on some of the differentials for defensive things, and now we're seeing against good teams, and they're one-sided, one-dimensional offensive team here, that they're actually not even close to being in that top tier. Again, close is different. They're going to end up with a decent record because the schedule gets easier other than New England, but I don't, whatever my confession was with that one, I don't think it delivered, even though on paper

an overtime loss at Tampa tells you that's a good loss. Speaking of other things that are going on here, Jacksonville's banned. Both New York teams are banned. I thought about banning Chicago, but the fields part of this thing is at least interesting. So if there's a Thursday night or Monday night, I don't know what the rest of the schedule is.

I'm a week-to-week guy on this one game at a time. But the Giants, I was reading about them. They're 22-54 since 2017. Fewest wins except for the Jets, who are 21-54 going into this week. So you've got the Jets and the Giants. We could sit there and get up and have a tease being like, Zach Wilson's future and Lane Kiffin as offensive coordinator back in 2025. That's where this story's going.

Zach had a couple throws yesterday that don't even make any sense, as bad as the rest of the franchise is. And then how many years are we going to keep doing the Giants breakdown of like, they just don't seem like they have enough talent and I don't like to play calling the same shit over and over and over again. By the way, the Urban thing where I felt like there was a very

anti-college football guy coming into the NFL world thing that does absolutely exist. The NFL people, media, and former players, very, very protective of that separation. I'm out on defending any of the urban stuff anymore. I'm done. I thought that's what I was fighting. I wasn't necessarily saying like, hey, awesome urban. I just felt like it was the bias against him that I would always point out. I'm out. I'm out. So Jacksonville joins the New York teams in the ban list. Okay. Another confession. I've wanted to go into Cincinnati and San Francisco saying I knew I was I'm out so Jacksonville joins the New York teams in the band list okay another confession I wanted

to go into Cincinnati and San Francisco saying I knew I was right about Cincinnati because we heard me talking about I thought I was going to be right about him last week and it didn't work out that way when they turned the ball over to the Chargers in the second half despite having a huge deficit I was like they're going to get back into this so what do they do they immediately turn it over give some free points

to San Francisco to start the game Cincinnati loses in overtime to San Francisco. They're now a nine seed, seven and six, two and four in their last six games. When they're down 20 to six, it's kind of like the Buffalo thing where I'm like, well, they got it to overtime and came back. I don't know, man. I just think I'm wrong about them. I like them.

I like Burrow. When they came back, the game tying touchdown, I was like, I knew it. I knew't know, man. I just think I'm wrong about him. I like him. I like Burrow. When they came back, the game-tying touchdown, I was like, I knew it. I knew this team was tough. That was definitely different from the way that I processed Buffalo, which may seem inconsistent, but I can only tell you how I processed it sitting at home watching this stuff. I'm like, yeah, I knew it. I knew it. Then I was like, nope, I'm wrong. They lost the game. San Francisco's won four or five, by the way. And that Arizona loss that was all the backups at quarterback and wide receiver, that was a perception loss for San Francisco that counted as three losses.

That was just a loss, but the perception of that loss, considering the matchup, felt like three losses. And it's been such a perception loss in that game that we've kind of ignored the fact that San Francisco has put some together here Garoppolo had some big numbers and when you look at what Nick Bosa is doing for them and destroying games late Chase had a couple drops as well that I didn't think were great oh look I still like Burrow a lot but this this Cincinnati infatuation for me that confession I'm admitting it out loud and I just think I'm I might be entirely about them, despite the fact of how I felt like their profile told us that they were going to start turning some things around. And, by the way, Cincinnati's going to finish up

with the fifth toughest schedule at Denver versus Baltimore versus Kansas City and at Cleveland. So certainly not easy and in third place in the division. Okay, final one, staying in the division, a confession. I felt like the bill was coming due for Baltimore. Eight and four with the loss, with not converting the two-point conversion that Harbaugh explained.

Not a huge deal there. I think Pittsburgh's so bad offensively, I probably would rather have gone to overtime. Unless you love your matchup on the two-point play, and I know that Marlon Humphrey going out of corner led Baltimore in this situation to Harbaugh to believe that the right decision was to just go ahead and try to end it with two. But I don't think that Roethlisberger is going to exactly crush you down the field,

missing a corner. But I get the point, all right? Not a ton of angst about it. But I almost look at Baltimore's success to this point and the remaining schedule as an adjustable mortgage where it's like, all right, this has been a nice, this has been a good ride here. But guess what? Now that rate's adjusting, and now it's like, all right, this has been a good ride here. But guess what? Now that rate's adjusting, and now it's getting serious.

So that's what I thought going into Cleveland, even with Baker beat up in this one, that Lamar, you know, let's see what happens because they've had some close wins, Baltimore has. Some weird wins, right? The Lions win was weird. The Kansas City win was weird, right? Because you were like, wait, the whole Kansas City game, I'm like, this game's actually going to happen?

They beat the Browns not that long ago with four interceptions where teams were winning those games like 2% of the time when your quarterback had four interceptions and they went ahead and won that. And then we saw the Miami game, right? So I thought this bill was coming due and that Cleveland would win it. And then we saw the Miami game, right? So I thought this bill was coming due and that Cleveland would win it. And then we get another weird one

because none of this matters because Lamar went out at the very beginning of the second quarter, 24-6 at the half. Baltimore gets back into this one. It's 24-22. They're down two points with the ball at their own 45, about a minute left there. They lose the game.

But I'm just kind of off of Baltimore, but I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's fair because you can't really do anything with this result knowing that Lamar only played a quarter. Let's talk with somebody else about the NFL. It's Trent Dilbert. Here we go.

Three, two, and one. Trent, let's start with a game that I talked about a bit here in the open, and that's Buffalo. Just try to give us something. We're like, all right, give us something. Let us know that you're competitive, that you're still this team that at certain points we thought could come out of the AFC, and then they're down 24-3 at the half.

They don't hand it off to any running backs. Then they get this game back to overtime. So I kind of was left with, is this actually something we should feel good about, or is the 24-3 the real part of this story? It's a great question because the bills have kind of taken me on this emotional roller coaster right like there's times i think they can win the afc and there's times i think they're gonna lose in the first round and usually championship teams have more consistency to them um so saying that, my big takeaway was that Josh Allen can throw you back into a game.

And that is the hardest thing to do as a quarterback in the NFL. I've said this before, I think with you is end a half, end a game, down two scores. Like that's really, if you're just going to evaluate the difference between good and great in the NFL quarterback, that's what you look at. When the other team knows you have to throw it, they're trying to break down your protection schemes. They're showing you every different type of defense there is in the back end, and you can still make big boy throws over and over and over again. And Josh was able to do that. They have the skill people to do it. They're able to protect well enough to do it.

they have the skill people to do it. They're able to protect well enough to do it. So I'm starting to think that with the Bills, they have to kind of play a frenetic, aggressive, offensive style from the jump. And when they try to be balanced, when they try to be traditional, they stall. When they just open it up and say, hey, we got Superman, a quarterback, and we have these talented guys on the edges,

and our offensive line is built to pass protect, we're at our best. And I think if they do that down the stretch, I think you start seeing a more consistent Buffalo Bills offense. It's pretty clear McDermott, again, frustrated. I think he was frustrated that Belichick was getting all this love after that weird game on Monday night. And then with Dable at OC, McDermott was like, well, I like what we did in the second half better.

And McDermott's a defensive guy, so that there was a little bit more balance. But I mean, we're still talking about 50-plus attempts here for Allen. What's that like in the game? And I can imagine it's probably a lot of Matt Rule and Joe Brady now being out of Carolina although I think it has more to do with the quarterback talent there as opposed to just Joe Brady being terrible all of a sudden but when it's when there's this disconnect from the booth to the sideline and the role all

of you play where it's very clear the head coach is getting really tired of the way a game is being called yeah that's a big question i and again i i'm not in i'm not on the phones i i don't know what's going on there and i really don't know what mcdermott's overall perspective is i can only assume um but to answer your question specifically i i think when i've always said this the play caller and the quarterback have to be simpatico they They have to be on the same page. They have to think the same thoughts. It's really, it's almost as weird as the quarterback has to be able to read the play caller's mind. So that's your Sean Payton, Drew Brees is a great example of that.

I think you're seeing that with Rodgers and LaFleur. You've seen it in the past with great quarterback play caller combinations, McDaniel, Brady, O'Brien, Brady, pretty much Brady and anybody. The head coach is interesting in this dynamic because I think it's best and the quarterback has no idea what the head coach wants. I knew Tony wanted to be really conservative in Tampa, and that bothered me. Now, I love Tony Dungy, and I admire him so much.

But in the moment, I was frustrated because I knew he wanted to take the air out of the ball, and that affected me. So I think when the quarterback doesn't know what the conservative head coach wants, it's better. I think the play caller has to bridge that gap and shield him from that if there is a dynamic head coach play caller controversy going on.

This is another clinic by Brady again, and one of the plays that didn't end up meaning anything because it was all centered penalties, and they replayed third down. I think it was the third and six. He's getting rushed looks like he's going to get crushed gives you that little shoulder stuff resets gets himself clear and actually converted what would have been a first down but again like i said offsetting

penalties with this he also had a couple runs including the one i think it was a two yard to the sticks run where he got the first down um i don't know what's going on with him i feel like he's getting popped a little bit more, but he doesn't care at 44 years old. Are you seeing anything different? I'm going to take this a different direction. I'm going to answer a question. He just keeps getting better.

He's a total freak. It's an aberration. I can't explain it. Everybody tries to explain it and doesn't know what the hell they're talking about because nobody's lived it. Nobody can explain Tom Brady because we've never seen it before. We can only assume because we're watching some ESPN show of a little inside of what

he's telling people. But even at that, I don't know if he's telling us the truth all the time. Um, so I don't know what the heck's going on. He's better than he's ever been. And I have no, no way of explaining it, but here's what I, I, here's what the heck's going on. He's better than he's ever been. And I have no way of explaining it. But here's what you got me thinking about. That play you're talking about, the third and six, was masterful Brady being a great short area athlete,

even though he's not a very good athlete. And then you look at the Rodgers play last night where it's very similar. Like he gets rushed. He kind of pulls back into the left and then doesn't scramble and then makes a big throw for a first down. And then you go to Allen and Burrow, some Herbert stuff yesterday. And what hits me is that we always talk about the wrong things with quarterbacks and their athleticism. The most important thing is how they play in conflict,

how they play when it's all hitting the fan, how they maintain their poise, even though it's total chaos going around them. And Brady's the greatest example of that because he doesn't have the athleticism to just make something out of nothing, yet he makes something out of nothing in close quarters. And yesterday what struck me, and I probably watched as much NFL yesterday as I have in a

long time with red zone and multiple TVs going and whatnot. And I just, what kept catching my eye was, oh, okay, that's good. That's good. That's great. Like, okay, that's good quarterbacking. Oh, that's great quarterbacking. And the great quarterbacking all was built around the play. You led this question with that third and six pocket collapses, quarterback kind of gets out of it, gets out of jail. And then instead of going and running like his hair's on fire, he just kind of moves to the side, gets his eyes downfield, find somebody open. And that's a big piece of this. It's not just getting away from the trouble and reestablishing yourself

in kind of a different pocket. It's being able to see downfield which guy's breaking open and you've got to throw him open. Is he open? Where do I throw the ball? And then executing on the throw. And I know I totally went off schedule here, but that was my biggest takeaway of the NFL yesterday

was how great some of this quarterbacking was and then just how good some of the quarterbacking was. But this morning, people are probably saying it's great because of the stats, when really it was just kind of good. Did that make any sense? Okay, we know Brady was great. It makes a lot of sense but i i need to go a little deeper on that then give me examples of of great versus good and what you saw

yesterday well the play you mentioned even though the play got called back that was that was epic what brady did on that play i mean it's just so hard the the if you haven't played the position you have no idea how hard that was. I mentioned the Rodgers play, and I can't remember exactly where it was in the game, but his left tackle gets beat inside, and it looks like he's going to get sacked, and he kind of jumps backwards and raises the ball up over his head so the guy kind of comes underneath him, and then he just kind of slides to his left instead of going and running and through all this

his focus never leaves downfield burrow burrow made one of the best plays of the day yesterday on the drive where he throw he ends up throwing the touchdown to chase in the back of the end zone to tie it but a couple plays before that he throws a ball down the left sideline for a big completion of, I don't know, 30 yards or something. And he is going to get killed. And the guy's like on his arm. And even as he throws it, I look at my wife and I said interception because I thought that there's no way he could have gotten enough on the ball. And he just drops a dime in there on the left and on the left boundary.

And to me, and again, I don't want to take this too esoterically, but it's those moments where you're like, oh, okay, that, that guy's going to be fine. He might make some mistakes. He might play crappy here or there, but if he can make that play in that moment, he's got the courage. He's got the ability. He's got the, the wherewithal to make that play. He's going to be just fine, and he's going to play for 10, 15 years and possibly win a Super Bowl and go to a bunch of Pro Bowls. That's how good those types of plays are. Yeah.

The other one Rodgers had, too, was that one that was left where he threw it over a trailing defender, and it was just a little pop-up to the left. And I just went. And even this is where Al Michaels separates himself and you know the moments where Collinsworth and I know people give him a hard time but but they were both right they're like who throws that ball who looks at that and goes yeah I got this well yeah I'll give you two more uh the touchdown pass Allen has uh I think it makes it

27-24 maybe he has a free rusher coming off his left it It's an RPO. And that's the problem with RPOs is sometimes you're, you're reading a guy, the lines blocking run, and then they bring an extra guy. So you're done. Like you're, there's nothing you can do except take one in the face and somehow get it out quick. And he kind of fakes the run, gets hit, flicks his sidearm in the end zone all in one moment. I'm like, Oh, okay. That was special. Herbert's throw where he's rolling to his right. And again, it's one of those who makes this throw.

You know, he pulls up after rolling to his right and he's going to get smoked and 65 yards to a guy that adjusted his route. That was not a go route. That was not a post route. That was an adjusted route. So the guy breaks it towards the back of the end zone. Herbert sees it all in one time and goes, oh, yeah, his brain somehow thinks I'm going to put my foot in the ground. I'm going to get smoked. I'm going to rip the 65 yards in the air. Like these are things that you just see it. You're like, wow.

Okay. He can do that. Then he can do a bunch of stuff that most people can't do. Like I love Kirk Cousins. I always defend him, but he can't do any of the things I just mentioned. Right? All these incredible plays that Allen, Brady, Herbert, Burrow made, Kirk doesn't make those plays.

Right? Most quarterbacks don't make those plays. So that's where you see kind of this uniqueness in how some quarterbacks play the position and how some can't. And by the way, I was one that couldn't. So I'm owning it. Like I would watch Brett Favre do things and I'm like, oh, okay. Like, yeah, I'm pretty talented, but I can't do that.

I'll never be able to do that. And I think you're seeing these other quarterbacks kind of go, oh, yeah, I'm pretty talented, but I can't do that. I'll never be able to do that. And I think you're seeing these other quarterbacks kind of go, oh, yeah, I'm pretty good, and I make a bunch of money, and I've been to a few Pro Bowls, but I can never do that. Oh, and he just did it like seven times in one game. I think that's a demoralizing thing about playing against Mahomes, a Wilson, a Rogers, Brady, even though it's different, is the other quarterback sits there and goes,

oh, man, I'm never going to be able to do that. Therefore, I'm never going to be elite. Yeah, the Cousins one that you bring up, I've had this thing for a while where when we watch a replay and we see stuff happen, we give the quarterback too much credit on deep balls. We don't realize that a lot of times it's it's the trust in the receiver it's a guy he likes in 50 50 matchup or it's uh let me just throw it to this area and then the receiver's adjusting underneath it so that on the replay it looks like oh he dropped a dime in there and

you're like not really the receiver made the play on this thing that's why i thought the bryce young throw to jameson williams against georgia was so insane because it was a stop go Williams uh Jamison Williams full speed and like the ball was there so I go that was actually like one of those deep balls where the quarterback deserves all the credit because I saw one from you know and again good for cousins for getting the ball out there which I think has made him a little bit more aggressive uh especially this season with somebody like Justin Jefferson because he he trusts him so much. But there's a throw that he has where he seriously doesn't even know where he's throwing the football. He just knows he has Jefferson on the inside of the hash marks with no safety help. And he's just like, let me get this

out there. And it works, which I actually like that Kirk has done some more of that stuff. But the deep ball thing, it's a really good point you're bringing up like herbert's deep ball yesterday is not because the receiver that is that is because herbert was actually one of the few guys physically able to even get it out there with that much on top of it with that much juice on the ball for a deep throw which is really a game changer well that's a you right okay i'll go another weird direction um you can see this and i challenge everybody listening to start looking for this there's a way a deep ball finishes um some deep balls finish they're kind of falling apart and the receiver goes and makes a play on a deep ball that's falling apart and then there's a deep ball where the ball almost looks like it's speeding up at the end. And just close your eyes right now and think about,

you're probably a football junkie. You've probably watched thousands of hours of football on Sundays and Monday nights. You're probably the fan that watches the Thursday night game that hardly any people in the NFL actually watch the Thursday night game. And you go, oh, yeah, i've never had it put that way there's so many guys that their deep ball it's going it looks good and it starts falling apart and then the receiver has to go make some spectacular play and then there's guys that throw the deep ball and every time even if

it misses it almost looks like the ball's accelerating at the end like it has energy at the end it finishes different russell wilson in my opinion is the greatest deep ball thrower that's ever lived um his ball as it comes down you know he throws it really high but it's starting to come down it almost looks like it's accelerating and it speeds the receiver up uh herbert i would start putting this category he's a phenomenal deep ball thrower for this reason. There's a guy named Jeff Blake in the nineties. That was an incredible deep ball thrower. It just looks different. And I'm, I'm, I'm listening. I've never been a Burroughs going to be one of the greatest players in the NFL guy. I thought he was a really good player.

He's got a bunch of extra intangible stuff. He's a winner. He's a tough guy. He's a great leader. I love Joe Burroughs. I never thought his talent was anything to like drop your jaw. I'm starting to see it in his deep ball. Like I'm sorry.

Okay. What's the differentiator about Joe Burroughs? He can play under pressure. Like he plays under conflict very well. And his deep ball kind of accelerates at the end, like the greatest of all time. I don't know. I know I took this.

I know this is probably my worst interview I've ever done with you because I've taken it all over the place. But that's what stuck out to me yesterday. These guys played in conflict. And then there's this difference in how some of these deep balls finish. You mentioned Russell Wilson. They've won two now the San Francisco game was very weird he was clean against the Texans which you'd expect um and we knew the Green Bay game was bad Arizona game was bad the finger probably still an issue here uh it's weird though because you know Mike Sando who we

like having on the pod from the athletic has always kind of looked at that let Russ Cook index. And ever since they did that and they brought in the new offensive coordinator, Seattle's just been a worse football team. Is there anything that you've seen, and I'm asking this without any lean whatsoever, anything specific to Russell Wilson? Because I'm with you from a sheer talent standpoint. And I don't like saying, hey, this is the only guy in the league that can make this throw. Because when we're talking about those throws, there's probably like four to five guys

that can actually do some of this stuff because they are that special. And Wilson, for me, as a talent, has always been that guy. And I trust him to find ways to kind of move the sticks when you need it to happen. So I don't know if it's just the finger. I don't know. I don't love that he blames the offensive line. It feels like indirectly more than some other quarterbacks do. Anything jump out to you in the return since the injury

that feels different because the numbers have definitely been different? I think the finger's part of it. I don't think he has this. He's not playing with the same confidence. It's probably system, finger. He's always played under kind of a sketchy offensive line. I think Russell's been in his best. I've had this conversation with the let Russ cook thing.

I actually don't think he's at his best when they're like fully letting them cook on a massive scale. I think there's when they, I don't know, I'm not smart enough to figure this out, but when they're like they're hyper aggressive with Russ, but still just don't go overboard with it. I still think they're at their best when they have some they're hyper aggressive with russ but still just don't go overboard with it i still think they're at their best when they have some type of balance um but i don't i think russ is at his best where i'm getting at is i think russ is at his best when he's running the show

he's not being micromanaged i think he's fine being balanced if it's him in control. It seems at times this year, pre-injury and post-injury, that it's being controlled from the sideline. And maybe it goes back to that first conversation. It's like he knows that there's a push to be more conservative than he wants it to be. And you can kind of sense that in his aura. I don't know if there's anybody besides Brady I trust more than Russell Wilson. Like, I just trust him at the end of the game.

I trust him at the end of the half. I just think he's a generational type player. But when he's being sequestered, when that's being – when he's not allowed to be him, I think they're very pedestrian in how they play offensively. So there's a there there that I don't know what it is. Something's not right. But I trust Russell to get it figured out

if they somehow can make a run here for that last playoff spot. Yeah, and the Texans' numbers overall are really good, which you would hope against the Texans. So maybe this thing is turning in the right direction. But he does not run the football this year. He doesn't. And that's what I'm saying. I don't know if that's a him thing or if that's

they took it out of the offense. And again, I try not to, at this stage, because I don't do this for a living anymore, I try not to get caught up in narratives. I try not to at this stage because i don't do this for a living anymore i try not to get caught up in narratives i try not to just like read something but oh that guy knows what he's talking about so that's the direction i'm gonna go i'd rather say i don't know like i really don't know i haven't talked to russell i haven't sat down and like studied them i don't know what their off-season playbook looked like uh you can see by the run game that there's not a lot of zone elements to it out of the gun where he could be reading it, which tells me it was intentional to maybe take him out of the run game. But they've been at their best.

And most of these teams have been now when the quarterback driven runs are a dangerous part of the offense because the defense has to prepare in short yard situations, red zone situations so much for it. Like you have to devote a lot of practice resources to defending the quarterback driven run game, basically the zone rate. Everybody dumps it down and calls it the zone rate. It's more than that. But, um, and when you don't see their base run game coming off a looks where that, where there could be some read elements to it you're like huh i wonder if that's intentional i doubt it's the quarterback because quarterbacks

that have grown up scrambling and running the ball like to run the ball um it gives them an extra sense of pride listen quarterbacks want to score points they want to move the chains they want to score points i've never known a quarterback that's a good one. I know some soft ones that were like this, but I've never known any good ones. They're like, oh, no, no, no. You're not going to run me on third and three. No, no, no. I'm not going to scramble and go get us first down.

The quarterbacks that I grew up with before the quarterback run-driven thing was a thing. The ones now that I've been around, the ones that have come up through Elite 11 or playing the NFL, it's part of their DNA. It's who they identify themselves as a great quarterback that can also beat you with their feet. And they're not going to ever ask not to do that. The running quarterback thing, though, is interesting because Elway was somebody that I grew was like,

there's a handful of shooters that are ahead of Larry Bird on the all-time shooting percentage from three that you'd be like, wait, what? Like, that doesn't make any sense. Where does Elway, like for you, I don't know if you're an Elway guy, my guess would be you are, but like where would Elway be in comparison

to somebody like Breeze, where Breeze statistically is going to look like one of the great quarterbacks of all time? Yeah, you can't use stats. I'm probably a pretty good voice in this because I don't ever try to defend myself. You know what I mean? I'm not one of those crotchety old quarterbacks

that's trying to say something so he looks better. But I grew up with these guys. You know what I mean? say something so he looks better. But I grew up with these guys. You know what I mean? I grew up watching and then playing against that class of 83. And then, you know, played with that crappy generation, like 2000 and 2007, where they were really outside of farm. There weren't a bunch of great quarterbacks.

And now this next generation that's going to go down as legendary. And in the midst of all that, when I said 2000, 2007, I admitted Brady. I'm sorry. Brady, Favre. There's a handful of guys, right? There's like five. Manning's in there, right? Yeah, Manning was in there.

Everything else is kind of pedestrian. John Elway, Steve Young in today's football would be as good as there is. I don't want to compare. I mean, you just, you can't, there's no way to possibly explain how good those two would be given today's offensive resources, uh, both scheme and, uh, play calling, um, just how the league is formatted. I mean, John Elway played with one of the most conservative head coaches of all time. I mean, that was the conversation.

If you're old enough to remember this, Elway's gripes were always around, let me go play football in the middle of the game. I always have to play it at the end of the half and at the end of the game to bring my team back. Why can't I play this way in the first quarter? Why can't I play this way in the third quarter? I have to play it at the end of the half and at the end of the game to bring my team back. Why can't I play this way in the first quarter? Why can't I play this way in the third quarter? Steve Young, given him the zone read, it put him in Lamar Jackson's offense. You know, let's not forget Steve Young beat Jerry Rice in a 40. He was a legit 4-4.

Steve Young is a legit 4-4. He's as fast as fast is in the NFL ever and could throw the eyes out of it. So put him in that offense and you're going to have the greatest player on the planet. So yeah, the Elway conversation is really interesting because statistically

he's going to be forgotten here in 10 years if people still keep using statistics to quantify how good a quarterback is. John Elway was sequestered for the majority of his career. It wasn't until he got with Shanahan and his body was old and broken that he actually got

to play the position the way he always wanted to play it. Would you take Elway over Montana? It's just so different. That was a discussion back in the day, right? I grew up in the Bay Area, so we were all kind of Joe fans. But I'm old enough to remember John at Stanford.

I don't know if I'd take him over it, but I'd put him as equals. I mean, I think those two guys were equals. Is there anyone of the last 10 years that you take over Elway I imagine Brady yeah I mean Brady's in a class of his own just because longevity the amount of Super Bowls how he's made everybody around him better

his entire career no I would say I love this group of quarterbacks and I think I'm as bullish on the modern day quarterback as anybody is. But I would not say that any of them are better than John Elway or better than Steve Young or better than Jim Kelly. I still don't think Favre gets enough credit. I think Favre's I mean, I had to see I watched it.

I was on the other sideline against Favre during his three MVPs. Brett did things that the game had never seen before. I hope those guys don't get forgotten because these stats are going to get so inflated over time just because how football has changed. These guys also did it. I think we had this conversation a few weeks ago, and I don't think it's oversaid to say that they played a different type of physical game. And your modern-day quarterback, Brady's admitted this. Breeze has admitted it.

The guys have kind of crossed generations. There was a time when you had to be a tough guy to play quarterback. And I'm not taking anything away from these quarterbacks, but they don't have to be tough. They don't play nearly as banged up as the old school guys did. I mean, in the old days, it was cut the head off the snake, right? Everybody's defense's job was to hurt the quarterback, and it was kind of allowed.

So that's a whole other element to this, that your Kellys, your Aikmans, your Farr for a period, your, did I say Elway? Who are some other great ones that were back then? Young, Montana. These guys had to do it, constantly hurt, taking 15 to 20 kill shots a game. You know, throwing the ball when you couldn't throw the ball across the middle of the field because a john lynch would kill you if you

did at water um you know think about some of these great ronnie law think about some of these great safeties in the 80s and 90s that were just literally decapitate guys as they're coming across the middle like you didn't throw scene benders uh unless it was wide open the middle of the field is basically closed all the time so you're throwing the ball out outside the numbers um they just played a totally different game uh and i and i've talked to a few of them they'll never go on record saying this because they're going to seem like they're grumpy old men. But most of them look at the game now and be like, oh, my gosh. Like, that's just cheating.

It's just cheating to play modern-day quarterback. It's so much easier than it was back when we played. I had Steve Young on three years ago, and he gave me this breakdown where, you know, I know that it's just, it's so uncool when an older generation talks about it. And look, the NBA has done it to themselves where everybody from that nineties to early two thousands run has tried to somehow say this version of, of a human basketball players regression, which is, you know, look, there's some things that I don't like and no one can make an entry pass anymore, but, um, it's just just ridiculous it hasn't evolved that way but when steve young came on with me a few years ago and he talked about the middle of the field he just started laughing he was like audibly laughing out loud about the whole thing and it's impossible to be anything but convinced once he got done talking about it just for those specific reasons hell there was a couple times watching steve young in the 90s where i thought he was dead yeah you know i'm i'm chuckling because he wasn't but there was a couple times where i went how is he going to get up how is this guy going to keep playing and he you know he'd be looking out his ear hole and he'd be looking

to the wrong sideline for the call so well there were times i'll use my again because i think your audience knows i'd never i think people know that i'm never trying to pump up myself. I fought back tears. I was in so much pain weekly. I was fighting back tears. And guess what? I had to go play the next snap. And guess what? The same guy hit me again.

It's like it was again and again and again and again and again and again. Like I used to chart how many times, not that you got sacks. We don't give a crap about sacks. You don't want to take sacks. But like your body, when you wake up on a Monday morning, you have black and blue lines down your legs. And you have black and blue around your ribs. And you can't lift your arm. And your neck's all tweaked and you sitting in the,

I mean, it would take us to a Wednesday to be able to practice because you would take, and I'm not exaggerating here, 13 to 20 huge shots in a game. If you threw it 35 times and then they would land on you. And that's when they really tried to hurt you was they would hit you, but then they would kind of lift you and, and pounds you. And that's when they really tried to hurt you was they would hit you, but then they would

kind of lift you and, and pound you. Their 300 pounds would just drop to the turf with you and just compress your body like an accordion. And by the way, we weren't upset and we didn't complain about it. That was part of the job. Um, I mean, I, I remember getting up and looking at defenders going Robert Porsche from the lions was in the great pass rushers I played against, and he was trying to hurt me every single game. And then after the end of the game, he kind of put his arm around me and said, hey, you survived that one. Like, that was the conversation.

So I only use that so you understand what Elway went through, so you understand what Aikman went through, so you understand what Aikman went through so you understand what Young went through what you now Montana Joe was interesting he never really got hit hard until late in his career the the famous Giants hit but Bill did such a great job of protecting him with the quick passing game and he did a great job protecting himself but that's what that generation Jim Kelly took as many kill shots as you could imagine. And they just kept getting up. Like that's what that generation played with in the position. And you couldn't throw the ball across the field. Like again, your throw catalog and your reads were

so different because you weren't about to get your receiver killed. It's just different. And I'm not taking anything away from the modern day quarterback. I hope you hear me saying that. But you just can't compare them. You can't just say, oh, gosh, so-and-so in 2021 is so much better than John Eller was because look at his completion percentage and look at his yards per attempt and look at touchdown pass to interception ratio and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's just, you can't compare it. The other thing too,

was you didn't have these like 10 to 12 free completions to start every day. Like every game, these modern day quarterbacks have these screens and these perimeter plays and these RPOs and where they're going to start the game with 12 completions. Like, no, you, the first time you might've thrown the ball if you're John Elway was the second series of the game on third and 12. That's your first throw. And guess what you're throwing?

Double 20 yard comebacks on the outside with a guy going down the middle in cases cover two and the safeties get really wide. And it's really like, oh, well like oh i gotta throw it over this guy to that guy early enough and they know what we're throwing like there wasn't a lot of this great passing game scheme advantage that these guys have now urban i'm gonna let you go in any direction you want to go with what's going on with urban meyer and jacksonville i don't know again i i don't i'm not afraid to say i don't know and i and i don't, I'm not afraid to say, I don't know. And I, and I know a lot of people there, but I'm not getting on the horn going, Hey, what's going on? Did he really say

that at the meeting? It sounds so arrogant. Like I just don't trust what's coming out of buildings these days. Um, I know urban Meyer from his time as a college coach. And I know that he's a hard coach. He's a demanding coach. It's hard to coach for him, but it was never degrading. His coaches liked coaching for him because they were successful and they became better coaches. His players are very loyal to him.

So the players that played for him in college are very loyal to him. He has won everywhere he's won. I don't think that would be if what he if what is being reported he said to his coaches is true he probably regrets having that meeting that's not the Urban Meyer I know from how he's coached his coaches before. So again I can only comment off the Urban Meyer that I knew from his college days and yes very demanding very hard edgy at times you know his coaches famously have to work a little bit harder for him than they would another coach but he gets results doing it so So, again, I don't want to make a comment out of ignorance.

I don't know what's going on in that building. I do know that sometimes it's very uncomfortable to get the most out of people, and I'm sure that's his intent. He's trying to get the most out of his staff and the most out of his players, and he's probably very frustrated with himself based on some mistakes he made this season and with what's going going on in jacksonville all right that's very responsible let's just play a roll out here though you're oc and and he calls you a loser how would you and i'm just kidding

yeah if that happened i i would be pissed i mean i'd be pissed uh all. Two quick things before we let you go. Quinn, yours, who I got to see your lead 11 out here at, I think it was Costa, the high school here in the South Bay. Your crew was nice enough. All those guys were great to me to let me come out and watch all the guys throw. And yours was the Texas kid that early enrolled at Ohio State. Looks like he made a ton of money on the NAL and now is gone and heading back to Texas. He's got the Joe Dirt hair. I made a comment about how much I loved his footwork

watching him go through the drills, and then I was immediately told by one of your quarterback coaches his footwork's terrible. So I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting. We're going to put my whistle away for the rest of the duration here today. To give me a little breakdown on, on a kid we've been talking about for two years. We haven't seen play yet.

He is as uniquely gifted as a thrower as you'll find, uh, maybe in the history of the time we've done elite 11, he might be as gifted as a thrower as we've ever seen. He's got this, when it comes off his finger, um, it is, it's a wow factor.

He can throw wherever he's looking. He grew up throwing the ball a ton, so he understands the passing game. It's not a mistake that he was one of the most heavily recruited guys in the last 10 years. But, and this was always my thought, if you play this thing out from our experience in the Elite 11 and then through college and then the NFL,

how you throw a football is typically not in the top seven to 10 most important things. It's all the other stuff. And instead of wasting too much time, it's just a bunch of stuff, leadership, tangible qualities, how you see the field,

toughness, accountability. Do you make people around you better? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

A lot of that is unknown with Quinn. I'm not saying it's bad. It's just unknown. There's a, there's dozens and dozens of talented quarterbacks that never make it because they think throwing's enough. And I hope that isn't the trap for him. He's got to become a much better player. He's got to become more dynamic with his feet. He's a cruiser. He just kind of cruises through things. That's going to have to change. He can change.

I think he's a good enough athlete to change, but that stuff has to change. So I'm in wait and see mode with him at Texas. with him at Texas, I think he needs to change to become the player that everybody thinks he can become because of his wild talent throwing the football. I guess that's the easiest evaluation.

That's the most comprehensive evaluation I can give on his futures. He needs to get better at a lot of stuff. Okay, well, end on this note. Probably your favorite college athlete going right now, I assume, is your daughter Tori on the Louisville volleyball team. They're headed to the Final Four. We know this has been quite a journey for her transferring out,

and I was reading about her this morning. She is a determined person and very impressive in almost every quote. What's this like for you? It's been pretty amazing, Ryan. I, you know, I couldn't be more proud of all three of them. You know, all three have had incredible journeys with volleyball. Tori's is the most highlighted because they're in the final four and they're undefeated. I mean, they're having a legendary season.

She's a fantastic player. She, she really is. She's she's arguably one of the best players in the country. She'll play professional volleyball. Hopefully she'll have a chance to play for the U S developmental team, yada, yada, yada. But I'll say this at senior night, we drove, we obviously we live only two and a half hours from Louisville. So senior night, we drove up. They played Notre Dame. And then the University of Louisville staff did a really good job of taking them into their athletic center. And they did these videos on the seniors. And then they had their teammates come up and speak on the seniors.

And it was one of the more rewarding experiences of my life to hear these girls talk about Tori and the impact she's had on their lives outside of volleyball. And I think this would be my message for any athlete is that sports has an amazing ability where you can impact a lot of people. You have a platform to impact people. And when you play for something bigger than the sport, when you play for something bigger than the sport when you play for something bigger than yourself you tend to be a better player and you have a ton of impact and that's what i heard from these girls was like hey hopefully we win a national championship and oh my gosh we're so much better and tori's such a great setter but and here's the important stuff and they talked about how it's never been just about volleyball for her. And it's always been about the relationships and building something special

and playing for something bigger than themselves. And I think that's what I appreciate most about her journey. And that's why I tear up, you know, every time I watch her play is because I see what she's playing for and how she's playing is more than just where she sets the ball, how she blocks the ball,

how she passes the ball. And I'm as proud of dad as you can be, not just how she's doing on the court, but what she's doing off the court. Well, congrats, man. And it's a really cool piece that's up on ESPN right now that talks about her path and talking to the different coaches

and the setting relationship. Again, I'm not exactly some volleyball pro out here, but I've got to know a bunch of the guys that play professionally out here. And there's just a thing about volleyball players that is, I don't know. I mean, every sport kind of has its own cliches and its own thing, but to read about her and being this person, that's the ultimate teammate and such a great teammate that even one coach was like, I'm not sure anybody's ever going to want to play with you because a lot of teams have two setters

and she's just perfect at it. She's just brilliant at this skill, and it's a big reason why they're in the Final Four. So congrats to this point. We'll see how it goes, man. Thank you. Appreciate it, brother. Thanks for bringing it up. Goal! Goal! economic responsibility demands restraint in government expenditure and last year we achieved the largest ever recorded reduction in the budget deficit 1.5 million yesterday was a long day i don't know when we're going to go abroad again kevin clark joins us uh f1 enthusiast also covers

football but we're going to just do f1 because it is over max verstappen your world champion his first ever uh yos verstappen his father in attendance immediately with the hoodie and a lot of controversy imagine this if you didn't watch the race or you don't watch f1 and thank god i've been watching this season for me to be even be able to make sense of what happened and even then i'm not 100 sure but imagine if you're watching football for the first time ever it's the super bowl and a team's down 21 points and the other team's driving and then all of a sudden the people in charge of the rules were like, this drive is worth

22 points and the other team scores and the other team's like, wait, they just won the Super Bowl. That's a little exaggeration, a bit of what happened. But Verstappen wins. And just to run through a quick timeline of events, so if you watch the race play along with us, if you didn't, this is why we're trying to do this, Kevin, and then we'll let you jump in. Max has pole at Abu Dhabi, the last race they're even in points you know whoever

finishes ahead of the other guy again with the fastest lap being a potential uh issue in there uh is going to win a world championship and lewis is going for his eighth straight here hamilton jumps max at the start this is the second week in a row max had a bad start where hamilton got him um that was on a restart on the previous race not at the start. This is the second week in a row Max had a bad start where Hamilton got him. That was on a restart on the previous race, not at the beginning. And then Max got inside and obviously broke late, kind of pushed Hamilton out. Hamilton goes off, and I think to avoid a crash, because Max is capable of anything, especially at this point. Hamilton, I thought, gained a massive advantage by going off the track

and then was just ahead of Max and then Christian Horner the principal at Red Bull which is basically the coach goes to Mike Massey who's in charge of race command and it's like look what you got to give that back you to give that space back they're like no actually he didn't gain any kind of advantage which none of us could believe but we thought perhaps that maybe that was in reaction to the way that Verstappen has raced lately and that they were just like whatever Max probably was so or Lewis was so worried about Max they went ahead and did that but that in itself ended up becoming a major part of this Max being

behind Hamilton allowed him to make pit decisions when he wanted to make it and it looked like even Hamilton was going to run away with this but then then Max gets the extra pit advantage, gets the fresher tires, but it still doesn't look like it's going to happen. And the Latifi Williams crashes on lap 52 of 58. Fresher tires for Max. We're thinking there's a chance. Nope, there's not going to be a chance because the safety car is still out. We've got five cars between Lewis and Max, and we don't let those cars through. And if we do let those cars through and pass the safety car to just have it be Lewis and Max, then you have to then wait until a lap after the safety car comes off.

Then the race would have been over. And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, race command says, not only are we going to let the cars through, we're going to pull the safety car. We're going to give ourselves one lap for the entire thing. And because Max had much fresher tires lewis had no chance and max goes from driving around an hour and a half being like i have no chance at this to winning a world championship so i had to recap that so everybody understood so there we go kevin so i thought about the analogies there's no perfect nfl analogy or american sports analogy to what happened the closest thing me, it wouldn't be the 22 point touchdown.

It'd be more like the super bowl. They got to drive 95 yards and there's an 80 yard spot foul. That's kind of the, the refs interpretation of the rules. Like that, that to me is more analogous where it's like, you're really just putting a team in position to win and really determining the championship.

Um, I read and listened to basically every pundit this morning and last night, and I couldn't find one person who was like, oh, no, this was this was the right decision. It was clearly the interpretation of the rules by Michael Massey, who's had a disaster of a season already. So he is basically he does like like a million things. He's the F1 technical department head. He's the safety delegate.

And he's also in charge of this stuff. And all year long, people have said Massey's lost control of the season. A lot of that is because there was a really contentious title race where Max Verstappen was clearly, and Lewis too, more comfortable crashing than giving an inch. We've talked about that over and over again here on Going Abroad, where these guys were going to go out on their shield, and Massey hasn't been up for it. I believe going into this race, Fernando Alonso said that Massey was, quote, too soft.

And so when something like this happens, and he basically gets to determine the championship, he got bullied. And we've seen that time and time again. So it was fascinating to see that. For me, I think that there are, you know, this was Lewis said at the end, he thought it was manufactured, right? That was over the radio. There were a couple other drivers who basically said that, that this was manufactured for drama. And I agree, whether or not that's a good thing for the fans, I'll kind of leave that open to interpretation.

But I would say that there is no explanation to letting them race one lap for the championship other than it looked cool. Like, you know that Twitter meme that goes around every time there's a cool catch that gets disallowed? Everybody says, hey, wouldn't it be cool if something was so cool we just let it stand? It's kind of what Michael Massey did.

He let them race when they shouldn't have for one lap because it looked really, really, really cool. And he determined the championship because of it. Yeah, that's a better way of putting it because I was trying to sit there and figure out, like if I had only just begun watching, I would have been like, I don't know. If that was my first race, Kevin, I would have gone,

what is this? Like it was exciting, but this doesn't make any sense. And I wouldn't have understood it for months. So luckily, you know, I've been watching off and on all season here and getting a sense of what's happening. But I'm still not understanding the rules. There was a protest by Mercedes that was ruled on. There was two separate protests by Mercedes based on what I read. And then they were both decided four hours later.

I mean, it's unbelievable that we have the access to this. Imagine having Belichick or anybody mic'd up during a huge disagreement on a final drive in the Super Bowl. And then we get to consume it that way. Because Horner's screaming at Massey to say, get those cars out of there and give Max a chance to chase down Lewis. But again, the rules were that if you were going to let those cars go ahead and then you take the safety car off, you can't do it all until like a lap later, then that would have been the end of the race. So the commentators are like, well, right. So this way you're saying,

and the commentators were on it here where they're like, well, they can't move the cars out because if they do, then the race will be over. So at least this way, Max has some kind of chance, but he's going to have to get through five cars to even get to Lewis. And even with the faster tires,

like with a lap to go, there's no way that's going to happen either so this thing's entirely over so that's how you're consuming it as a viewer and then out of nowhere they're like oh they're moving the cars and we're racing and we're racing and you're listening to horner yell at him and then as toto's watching this total wolf was the principal for mercedes he's going like you've got to be kidding me and he's screaming and we're hearing it as it's happening. No, no, Michael. No, no.

You need to add another. You can't do the restart. Great radio. And then Massey, who I couldn't. And I couldn't tell if Massey was being defiant or if it was his insecurity where he's like, it's a motor race, Toto. It's a motor race. We're going racing. We're racing.

And you're like, okay, yeah. Yeah. Like, all right. I motor we're going racing racing and you're like okay yeah yeah like all right i guess we're going racing but it just felt like as exciting as it was and you know realizing that max actually had this massive advantage because he didn't get the place back from hamilton on that first corner yeah like this was as crazy a finish and people that have done this for decades are like this is the craziest season the craziest finish it had to be these two guys it almost felt like it was a script that massey wrote that he was like yeah somebody picked it up he felt i think michael massey

thought he was the main character of the race like i feel like he's probably been under so much pressure imagine if there was one referee in all football who made all the catch decisions and all the taunting decisions and all the quarterback hit decisions. It was one guy sitting in an office. Okay. Imagine that. And then Michael Massey at the end of the race in the best season in decades said, you know, you know what time it is? It's Michael Massey time. It is Michael Massey time and hundreds of millions of people are watching Michael Massey time right now. That that's what it looked like to me. And again, that's fine. We have ump shows all the time in major league baseball baseball that's what sometimes these guys who call balls and strikes and what they want to do that's where they got into the business now there were a couple people brundle said this after

the race they got to break up massey's job because he's doing too much i mean it's he's doing like five different jobs there should be a full-time race guy who just makes these decisions um damon hill a longtime driver, said he thought that Red Bull was playing rough with Massey. And probably right. He's something we've talked about. The reason you lobby the refs over a seven-game series is because at some point in the game seven,

someone's going to be driving to the line and you're going to get a call. Because for six games before this, you've been complaining about, hey, watch what the power forward does here. Watch what the center does here. You've been complaining for six games before this, you've been complaining about, hey, watch what the power forward does here. Watch what the center does here. You've been complaining for six games

and in the seventh game with 30 seconds to go, you get the foul call. That's why you lobby the refs. Red Bull won. Now, as far as just like excitement, this is certainly

since I started watching what four or five seasons ago, this is the best. You know, people talk about 2008 when Hamilton had to go from sixth to fifth in the final lap past Timo Glock and Danai Masa, who was actually celebrating the championship at that point on the last lap. Before that, Schumacher and Damon Hill had an amazing finish in 1994

where they both wrecked, both retired. That was deemed a racing incident. That was actually a little bit analogous here where there was a decision to be made by the stewards about whether or not someone was going to win the championship obviously prost and um and nigel mansell in 1988 um but this was amazing like this was this felt like fan service to me for having watched the sport for so long where we're sitting around saying oh man can mclaren get into top four here like that's what i've been doing for four years and now we get this like i was sitting i i don't know if i we get this like i was sitting i don't know if i told you this but i was sitting uh on the couch there's a guy just hammer just

literally just right outside my window just like holding his hand on on a car horn so there's a little uh little distraction here is it botox it's botox but like on the last lap i don't know what happened i was sitting on the couch my wife wife was next to me. And when they started racing again, in the middle of the lap, I realized I had fallen off the couch and was just like on my knees on the carpet in the middle of my living room watching it because I just like short circuited because of how exciting it was. So I thought this this whole thing was amazing. We should probably talk about Sergio Perez at some point being the ultimate alpha teammate, but this was just unbelievable. Yeah, shout out Chetko because there was a stretch there where he was trying to hold up Hamilton. It was some amazing driving. Of course, Hamilton, as all these guys do, are total hypocrites every single time. He's like, oh, it's pretty dangerous driving.

You're like, yeah, it's exactly what it is. He's trying to hold you off so that Verstappen doesn't have time to try to come in here and catch you. Yeah, it's also known as racing, which you would have done to him as well. There were some people saying Lewis should have pitted when Verstappen did, but that's a dicey one because you imagine having Hamilton pit and then he loses track position

and then you actually don't have anything that happens the rest of the way. So Lewis was even kind of bitching about that, but that's what these guys do. I have learned throughout this season, it just doesn't matter.'t matter i mean verstappen thought that there was a conspiracy with 10 laps to go and then later on he revisits it and he's like that's not where they're going to let the cars through then they let the cars through as if they're only trying to help out mercedes and then other people have argued honestly it's not that different than talking about a lot of college football stuff where everybody thinks everybody else is out to

get him the entire time and where Hamilton is wondering if his own pit crew and strategist is on his side. And it's like you couldn't pit in front of Verstappen, whereas if it were reversed and Hamilton would have had that advantage of any pit decision,

especially when you're out there with a safety car and the pitting is not as detrimental to whatever your strategy is the rest of the way because everybody's going slower. Very simple.

So shout out to Chetko. Could have used a little more from Botas. Botas was good. Carlos Sainz had the quietest podium of all time. Botas is constantly being reminded, you can go faster. Right? It was really amazing because it's funny because genie gal who does a great job on the

bbc like a month ago had floated this theory that i've been thinking about ever since that maybe mercedes should have put george russell in the the second car like to end the season because he'd give them more than botas botas for like a month has been like yeah i'm good man like i'm all set here and i i thought, and by the way, he really celebrated the Constructors' Championship yesterday. It was really, really funny to watch. He was really into jumping in, and apparently there were some social media clips where he was

partying over the night. So Botas got his ring. He's good. But I just felt like, when you look at Perez yesterday, who closed a gap. This is unbelievable. When Perez and Hamilton started going at it, Verstappen was down 8.7 seconds. And by the time Perez got done with him, that gap was 1.7 seconds.

That's unbelievable. That's the race. That's the race. That's the reason it was close. And so Botas not being able to get in the mix there at all actually did hurt Merck a little bit. And so I think you kind of have to look at that. Listen, there are probably a hundred things that could have won Lewis this race. That's just one of them.

Obviously, Massey being one of them. If Latifi never crashes, we're not going to be having this conversation. We're just having the boring Lewis wins conversation. So this is uh a million things had to go right for max um in the second half of that race and they basically all went right what i've learned too about the sport is that you're not going to get everything perfect all the time there are going to be lulls i mean it's kind of like watching a horrible thursday night football game or all seven of the one o'clocks yesterday although we ended up having some great finishes um you know and then the later window we still get a couple close finishes in that first window that we definitely didn't expect

that were going to happen but having chekko hold off hamilton hold them up for max that's the kind of stuff where you go that was one of the single most entertaining moments of the entire f1 season for me and if you get those every now and then sprinkled in it's enough to watch you coming back every single week because people that have just picked up the sport texting me that morning, and I woke up out here at like 4.45, just text push, ready to go. I spent the entire day tired yesterday, finished with a succession podcast with Sal and Simmons at about 10.30 last night. But I even, you know, as they were looping through with the safety car, I was like, you know, I could probably go back to bed for a couple hours. And then I called you after everything happened. I go, I'm going to the gym.

I'm too pumped up right now. There's no way I'm going to fall asleep. And part of that was Checo. And then, of course, the restart being like, this is real. Yeah, the George Russell point is interesting because he freaked out on Twitter to a level that you were like, do you know you're not actually on Mercedes yet, George? He's just letting everybody know that next year he's going to be the ultimate teammate. He's starting by posting.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Do you know who came in fourth? Sonota, right? Yeah, Yuki Sonota. I tell you, the more I watched Yuki Sonota, the more I got into it.

And then everybody's favorite, Daniel, well, Daniel Ricciardo, not a great finish. He had plans, I heard. And then, yeah, again, 14 cars finished. Tough weekend for Haas. They came in last. But Schumacher was the guy who was going at it with Latifi that caused the crash. So Haas had as big an impact on the World Drivers Championship than McLaren or any of these guys.

Okay, final thought here. Who in professional sports, maybe we could even throw in a college football coach with this. I have a few names, so maybe I can answer it because I'm putting you on the spot as you think. But who as a GM or a head coach would say, well, we won the Constructor Series Championship, which is not even close to as important as a world championship for your driver.

But there's definitely like, would Sam Hinckley go NBA title? Who cares? We won the Constructors. Would UCF do that maybe? Maybe. It's a little bit of the UCF. Just UCF as a program in general? It's a little bit of the UCF. Just UCF as a program in general? It's a little bit of the UCF. I'm trying to think who kind of talks about, who kind of creates their own fake goals

and then surpasses those goals? Dan Duquette. Duquette was the GM of the Red Sox. And, you know, there's different arguments of how good or bad he was because for a stretch

he was really, really good. But he went on and he was a little stiff and he went on a radio show and he said the Red Sox had spent more days in the first place than anybody else in division when they lost the division. So the radio station used to play the drop of Duquette going more days in first place. So that felt a little Constructors series-ish. The famous one would be the Indianapolis Colts raising a banner. I mean, that was the all-timer. The famous one would be the Indianapolis Colts raising a banner. That was the all-timer. The 2014 AFC finalists banner.

Which is... I think Ursae might raise a banner for the Constructors Championship for sure. Yeah. I could see Hinky just going like, well, I won the award. You lost the second round again. You know?

You're like, all right, that's it. No, wait, wait. I have one more. I have one more. I have one more. Even though he's won a lot, even though he's won a lot. Urban? Number one Constructors Championship banner guy for me in sports,

Pat Riley. Heat culture? Yeah, just like celebrate the W w's put the banner up i i feel like he would he would use that as something he would use that as like hey we accomplished what we set out to do we did it i feel like pat riley hangs a banner i mean pat riley there were i don't know if they're still there pat riley had a banner from marino he had a banner for michael jordan i think the jordan one is down he had a banner for Tim Hardaway and Alonzo mornings, gold medals.

Like he's a big banner. I didn't know. I mean, I always, the Jordan Hardaway thing. Like I get it. Uh, the Jordan,

or excuse me, the morning Hardaway thing. I get Jordan. I don't know if it's still up or not. I know they've been made. I think they took it down. I don't think it's a whole thing. So,

okay. Well, there you go. Banner heat culture culture heat culture decided well actually we don't need jordan's up there which i think is just the evolving heat culture ness of the culture all right that is what do we have hot stove wise what's going on anything exciting what's vettel doing well i mean part of the problem it almost became like college football right where like all of this stuff is decided who's going to what team has already been decided um that gets decided in the second half of the

season so we already know russell's going to merc um chico perez has just job security for life like he's never going to go anywhere he's also i don't even i don't know what the highest civilian honor in the netherlands is but perez is definitely in the mix to get it i don't know if they night people down there but like he's definitely uh one of the top people in the n to get it. I don't know if they night people down there, but he's definitely one of the top people in the Netherlands right now. So he's good at Red Bull. Everything else is pretty much decided. So the big thing now, I heard this a lot over the past

couple of days, is figuring out especially when they get to Barcelona to do testing, who's got it for next year? Because they're changing everything about the rules as far as how the cars are built. And everyone's saying, okay, did Red Bull blow all of their capital on this year? Did they put all of their research and design and upgrade in the car this year? What do they have next year?

I think I read in 2009 that this happened, where in 2008, two teams just kind of went for broke the year before. And then in 2009, there was much more parity. Everything got shaken up. Almost a very similar situation. So it comes down to, how much did Mercedes have an eye on next year? How much did Red Bull have an eye on next year? And did McLaren and Ferrari people think maybe they're going to be dangerous

next year? Were those guys in their bag over the second half of this season preparing for next season? That's the biggest thing to watch. We'll see it in Barcelona in the winter. Maybe we'll hear some wind tunnel reports. That's what happens in to watch. We'll see it in Barcelona in the winter. Maybe we'll hear some wind tunnel reports. That's what happens in January. Some wind tunnel reports about who's got it next year.

And I'm going next year. I can't wait. I got to figure out the one that's going to be most American friendly. I got to figure out the best spot for a Zoom connection to do it. So I'm picking somewhere. I mean, I'm kind of a boat guy, but I know Monaco is not that exciting of a race. I heard the town isn't that bad. So I think if you're going to do it,

you might just have to do it right. You know, I don't know. I don't know. But Japan always wanted to go. All right. We're just going to brainstorm. We're going to workshop this and we'll figure it out. Thank you all season, Kevin, for this.

And then we'll talk football to you at some point again here soon. Thanks. See you, buddy. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.

I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. Just Kyle today. Is Saruti off today or just caught up with other stuff? I don't know.

That guy might be taking a vacation. I don't think he's taken one since he started here. So, good for him. Plus, we get to be alone at last. I know he took some other... Well, he vacationed one since he started here. So good for him. Plus, we get to be alone at last. I know he took some other. Well, he vacationed, but he worked. Right. I know another time.

So that might be what he's doing because he still was working through the weekend. So, all right. I clicked on everything this morning. Was like, oh, okay. So we're good to go. But we know Kyle's the star of the segment. No offense to Cerruti or anything like that. So let's get to it.

All right. 622-65. Put up 390 let's get to it. All right. 62265 put up 390 with ease in my prime. With ease. So if you put up 390 with ease, why did you never put on 400 or 405? Just a question.

Strain Peck never allowed me to put up four bills. Oh, there you go. So put it up 390 with ease in prime, but Strain Peck never got up to four. All right. Maybe. I don't know. Just throwing it out. Just asking. Huge fan of the show.

I developed a seemingly bad habit at work during the pandemic and need guidance on how to proceed. All right. So bad habit at work. For context, I'm a male English teacher at my high school in my hometown. However, nothing like the stereotype that probably just came to your mind. Unlike many. Well, dude, the 390, you know, Proust and 390. Yeah.

I would have thought he was a history teacher with those stats. You think so? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I assume anything anymore. You know what I'm saying? That's a good policy. I take it back.

Yeah. Okay. All right. So unlike many of my colleagues, avid sports fan, I played college football and sports are primary talking point in most of my conversations. Since I was a youngster, I have a serious preference for wearing athletic clothes.

I feel most, hey, hear you, brother. I feel most comfortable when I'm wearing them. Wearing jeans for leisure around the house seems asinine to me on my drive home jeans at the house i'll never understand yeah i mean i kind of understood it when we were younger um i understand if you're uh somebody working outside working with your hands maybe you're maybe you're a supervisor and you get a you get a hat you get a fancy hat and all that kind of stuff and you're, maybe you're a supervisor and you get a hat, you get a fancy hat and all that kind of stuff. And you come home and you sit and wear jeans. So the older crowd listening to this being like, what the hell's wrong with jeans at the house? I would just tell you, like, if I

came home from an office job, the idea now in my life that I'd put on a pair of jeans and go cool when there's so many other options, joggers, or just five inch inseams from legends. Um, I, I don't wear pants a ton. Uh, that's for sure. Um, but I also have a weird job now where I'd never go anywhere. All right. So, um, here we go. On my drive home, I long for the moment I can throw off my work clothes and proceed in my natural outfit. Uh, anyway, here's the habit. When I arrive at school in the morning, I generally see the principal and colleagues while I clock in at the front office. Then I walk to my classroom, which is at the farthest end of the school. Typically, nobody comes down there. I teach my first class, which ends at 9.30. I'm planning from 9.30 to 11.30. When the bell rings to end

first period, I immediately head to the teacher bathroom to change into some athletic clothes that I've packed in my bag. It's usually a pair of black Nike fleece pants and a shirt. I wear this for the rest of the day and my other two classes. 95% of the time I go relatively unnoticed. A few comments here and there, but nothing aggressive until the other day. Exclamation point. I leave the bathroom fully changed with a duffel bag in my hand. The assistant principal walks by and looks at me with a perplexed expression. She sort of nods at me and glances down at the duffel bag, does not say anything about it. Not sure if she just didn't notice, didn't care, or made a mental note to address this later. I probably do the change three days a week. Our school typically has a professional attire for teachers, meaning a polo, khaki sneakers, no tuck-in, or tie rules. My question is, how long can I keep getting away with this? Do I have the green light to keep it going? Does an athletic guy like yourself sympathize at all of my predicament? Thanks. I mean, I do and I don't. Stop changing into workout clothes at school.

You know, if you don't want this to be an issue, stop doing it. I can totally understand even if it's not comfortable for you, if people think this is outdated or whatever if you're a teacher at a high school and you're going to chest day outfit at 11 30 for the rest of the day i'm i i don't know it kind of like red flags a little bit that you would just be okay with this yourself knowing that you're opening yourself up potentially to criticism like you may be getting away with it maybe there's some schools that don't care um i'm curious to see if she's going to bring this up with you again but if they have a dress code and you're saying fuck that by 11 30 you're just putting yourself in a position of having to deal with a battle that i think is a really avoidable battle buy some different clothes buy some polos from from some of the athletic wear places now they're as comfortable as any

workout shirt you're going to wear you know what i mean grab some of the athletic wear places now. They're as comfortable as any workout shirt you're going to wear. You know what I mean? Grab some of their pants, their stretchy pants that look like dress pants that are totally fine. That's the solution to this. So I don't understand why any of us, not to say I'm completely free of it in my own personal resume, but I don't understand why we would put ourselves in situations

where when you're at a place like this, it's not corporate, but it's a school and there's kids and there's definitely gonna some people that are talking shit about you now behind your back and then wondering how serious you are wondering how mature you are asking questions that might not even be fair but this is probably what's going to happen so i don't know why you'd even invite this into your professional life so i would say i don't have a ton of sympathy, even if I understand the comfort decision, knowing that now, I don't know,

like, why would you do this? Why would you change the perception of you at work if you've done a really good job with everything else? Now, if you haven't done a good, really good job with everything else, now this like just gets added the pile of like, what the hell's up with 6'2", 265. Kyle?

Yeah, Guy, it sounds like you're a gym teacher trapped in an English teacher's body and that's the only guy who gets to wear what you want to wear. No, no, no. In an English teacher's role because he's definitely not in an English teacher's body at 6-2-2-65.

Oh, well, I think you're assuming again we've already been over this. Whatever. What can you do? All I'm saying is I think he like, the rules are only different for like one sort of role in that school. It's not your role. What can you do? All I'm saying is I think, I think he like the rules are only different for like one, one sort of role in that school.

It's not your role. And it's just, it's clear. I think it's going to be, your life's going to go a lot better professionally, or you might even be wondering about stuff. Like, I don't know.

I'm pretty sure that teacher raises aren't like, I'm pretty sure it's like a, an actual grid system. It's not like, Hey, you've been teaching the hell out of those kids this year. You're going to get way more money. But I just think maybe stuff will happen and you'll

even, it'll be in the back of your head. It's like, fuck, is it because I wear shorts three days a week? Or is it because I wear my Adidas things and somebody dropped in? Like, it's just, you're not going to want to do it when, um, there's like a, a no, there's an unwritten rule at the ringer. I mean, we haven't been in the office in forever, but there was like a no shorts policy. And, um, you know, I was told, I was told i was told a couple times uh early on i kept forgetting and even when i'd go into like uh drop something off i would have to make sure nobody saw me and it just i felt dirty and i just i stopped doing it and then the only other thing that happened was when uh when spotify bought us uh the day of the meeting they rented out something across the street

daniel at came like all the people just to ask questions. Those guys are busy. And I was wearing a fucking Harley Davidson cut-off sleeveless vest and a thermal. And the ad lady who's not here anymore, shout out to Carrie Allen, she was like, hey dude, you just got

bought by Spotify. You're going to need to start wearing some sleeves. And we haven't really been back to work since the week after that. So I haven't really got a chance to make a good impression next time. But next time I come in the office, you best believe there are going to be some fucking sleeves on me, probably even a collar. So just make that important to you.

I feel most comfortable in Harley Davidson with no sleeves. I do. But I know it's important. Even me. Even me. I know it's important. So you should be able to put some buttons together and maybe even a bell. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, you just said even me, which is, which is really, you know, kind of the point here. All right. This is a good one. Ruined my boss's career a little longer, but it's worth it. What's up? Early to mid twenties, fives 510 165 specifically athletic my cardio is next level awesome but i have the hand-eye coordination of a second grader i'm a huge runner when i play a sport like pickup basketball i only get hustle stats typically

because i'm the only guy still running up and down the court after an hour and a half but the defense doesn't even need to guard me within five feet of the basket. Right. A lot of just picking up, cleaning up other people's layups. I totally get it. All right. A little background. Maybe a funny dribbler? Yeah. I mean, look, if you don't dribble a basketball, like somebody, we've getting, there's this guy that wrote this really long pickup one that

Kyle sent me where it sounds like he loves basketball, but every pickup basketball experience is absolutely miserable because he's admitting he's not that good. If you don't start dribbling a basketball at a very early age, it's a very hard thing to develop later on. I've basically lost my handle because I didn't play any pickup hoops because of the leg thing. And being with Van Pelt those four years, I couldn't find a decent place to even go get a pickup game. And then when I came back, I don't know, was it 30?

When did I get that gig i think i started like from 34 to 38 and planning pickup basketball so don't one of the dumbest things i've ever done in my life and i've since then just never really been the same player i mean it's not even close but this guy like wrote in going what do i need to do i don't if you're in your 30s and you can't fucking dribble i don't know there's a lot of help like you can go watch the drew hamlin videos if you want and get in the garage every morning and have the iPad down there and start drilling yourself to death. I guess you could start doing that. Um, but for those of you that are married telling your wife, actually, I would love to hear that story telling your wife, Hey, I'm going to start working on, you know, improving my handle. Rosillo talked about some of these Drew Hanlon videos and it's even possible even possible but you know we've had a lot of people chime in about like what do i do

if i'm not good at basketball it's like a lot of things like if you don't if you don't develop it early on racquetball baby there's other stuff out there yeah this one guy i'll read it later but i my my advice to him would have been just pick a different sport. You're in your own head about how miserable of a time you're having when you're playing pickup basketball the entire time. I'm dealing with something, so I went and played the other day. Played awful. Awful. I mean, really bad.

Then I threw up an air ball when we were shooting in, and some guy looked at me and was like, no, no, right on line. I don't know him, and he smirked. I was fucking pissed. I was serious. I looked at him. I said my son remember you said that and i left i had to leave anyway because i was going to sit and wait out the game but there's something wrong i'll find out wednesday what the fuck it is all right cool anyway um a little background before the story i was dating this girl i love when people send in their emails too and they're like he read one sentence and then told 20 minutes worth of stories. So I stopped listening to the podcast. All right,

back, back to our guy, a little background before the story. I was dating this girl all throughout college, but come graduation time, I get a job across the country in a bigger city. I'm pumped. It's a great job in finance. My girlfriend, not so much. She wanted to stay in the small town. She grew up in, I guess, uh, had the same dream for me. I made it clear from the jump I wouldn't do that. But I both, yeah, so I guess we both thought the other would come around for our idea of the next step. All right, it happens. I take the job. We're trying long distance for about a year.

It becomes more and more apparent our lives are going in opposite directions. I'm finding success in my new job, meeting new people, seeing new places, typical post-college stuff. I start becoming very close to my coworkers. We're going out for drinks one or two times a week. There's six or ten of us ranging from just graduated to mid-thirties. Eventually, my girlfriend and I reach a tipping point and I break up with her. She's devastated. I care about her a lot,

but knew it was dead. I knew it was dead and road, so I had to make the call. I come to my office, tell the buddies at work. They instantly make a game plan to go out after work and get hammered. Sounds like a good idea, right? That's what you do. That's what you do.

You're young. It happens. I mean, you're going to get hammered anyway. You didn't need a reason to if you're going to get hammered. So a lot of this stuff, I don't know how necessary it was to the email because the point that we get to anyway, I love a good background story as we know when I tell stories. So I'm not going to sit here and criticize the email for doing the exact same fucking thing i do all the time all right so they're going around

lobbying to get a bunch of our co-workers to go out for happy hour not telling people that it's for me but more of a casual it's friday let's get drinks kind of thing every every quote i'm going to try to do corporate voice uh towards the end of the day there are about 30 plus people coming out we hit this tap room pretty calm and professional but the drinks are flowing next thing i know i'm having a deep conversation with my boss about my ex-girlfriend of about um 18 hours this doesn't make any sense the night didn't go 18 hours uh i'm having a deep conversation with my boss about my ex-girlfriend for hours. Let's just say that. She's a very attractive woman.

This is the boss. She's in her mid-30s. There's a 13-year age gap. We've always had a solid, uh-oh, friendly relationship, but this conversation felt different. Fast forward a couple hours. There are about 15 to 20 people still hanging, so we decided to change the scene to more of a Friday night appropriate bar. By this time, we're all drunk, taking shots.

The details get a little fuzzy at this point because of the drinking, but next thing I know, I'm full on intertwined with my boss in the middle of this bar and after we end up at her house, you can fill in the rest. Dun, dun, dun. At this point, it's like

3 to 4 a.m. and I'm sobering up somewhat. My conscience starts kicking in and I just get up to call an Uber. Phone's dead. What next? Instead of asking to borrow a charger, I just said I'm leaving. I walk out of her door and start running home. Cardio comes full circle. It's like six miles and I'm in dress shoes. Feet were ruined the next day. Not my brightest moment. I love that you ran six miles in the dress shoes. You know what, though? Sometimes you just got to go home. six miles in the dress shoes. You know what, though? Sometimes you just got to go home.

So we go back to work on Monday and it's awkward as can be. Everyone saw us in the bar and saw us leave together. Half the people thought I was awesome. Half thought I was a scumbag. I understood both. But my boss, on the other hand, was getting the worst of it. She's getting treated like she has the plague. And people

don't have the plague now. That's just my addition to that. A couple of weeks go by. My negative persona starts fading. I made it clear I'd broken up with my girlfriend before and was vulnerable. People got that. She though is now missing two to four times a week saying she's sick. She won't look at or talk to me when she is there.

She had a pretty solid trajectory at the company until now. I assume she's probably going to get fired if this continues. What's my move? All right. As you notice, as the weeks have gone by, this all starts to fade. Look, if OJ can go to South Beach and have people ask him to take pictures, then you can hook up with your boss and have people get over it. I mean, if there's one thing that I constantly stress, and it's why I don't usually get worked up about too many things that happen in the world that I deal with, is that almost all of the reaction, whatever it is in the moment, it all fades because we just

have other stuff to do. And we can act like something is the end of the world. And then it's like, oh, actually, that wasn't the end of the world. So I kind of go with that. Although when there is a time where it feels like something will be the end of the world, I'll probably just be like, ah, it's not that big of a deal. Then it'll be the end of the world, right? So this will all fade. It'll all start to go away, and it certainly will for you. For the people who thought you were a scumbag, I don't think that's really cool because you are young. You got drunk, and that's it.

You know, this shit happens. It's been happening a long time. But the work part of it, yeah, that dynamic's a little weird. I got to tell you, I don't know that I have a ton of advice on this one. I mean, I know a lot of times it's kind of just take it head on and talk to everybody about it, but you can't really talk on her behalf, right? You can't really talk to her about it. I mean, if she's ignoring you, you're probably going to have to have that conversation at some point. But if the rest of the office doesn't respect her because she hooked up with some apparently sick cardio guy, that's not as great at hoops, but it's really good in this

hustle place. Then, you know, that's pretty unfair because this shit happens all the time. But again, it's human nature. Like all of a sudden, if she does a really good job and she had this one-off with you and everybody saw it, um, i don't know that's that's pretty strict but again i'm i'm not the most strict person anyway i do think making out at a bar is kind of weird um i can't remember what year it was i think it was like the last time it had happened it was somebody i'd met and she was kind of like pressing up on me and started trying to make out with me in front of everybody and i was like all right we need to we need to fucking calm this down really quick because I feel like a loser. But, you know, you went for it.

Shots Friday, the math, all of it. I don't really know. I mean, other than if you went to her and said, hey, do you want to tell everybody we're actually dating? So would that help? Do you want to do a fake relationship here? Will that help? And then we can have like an amicable breakup a month from now. Like a media stunt?

Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Can we pretend that we've actually been dating and that wasn't even the first time we hung out? But then the timeline and the ex-girlfriend thing. You know, again, people are going to get over this. You know, again, people are going to get over this, but I don't know how you can fix the relationship between the boss and all of the subordinates who are your coworkers, because that's a weird position to be in. Like, what are you supposed to do? Just address everybody?

Be like, hey, house meeting and stand up and just go, all right, everybody, you need to be cooler to Deb. Right. You can't really do that. And I don't know how she's going to earn it. And she's calling in sick all the time and missing up to four days a week. She's just making it worse. Like there are people when you go through something, like the best thing to do is just put your head down and go through it, show up every day and be like, fuck it. I don't care.

I made out with a 23 year old. You see how fast he is? See his cardio times. So, um, I don't really have a great plan for you unless I'm, you know, Kyle, what do you think? I mean, this is like a, we can't get away from the office. This is a Jan Levinson Gould situation where it's, uh, you know, 80% of the office, you know,

loves Michael and his high fiving him for it. And then, you know, the people, the person who gets the respect lost for them is Jan. And that's just how it is. The warehouse is 100% behind Michael. And then guys like Kevin and all those guys in the office are like, oh, yeah. And then people are like, why the hell would she do that? Some of them feel bad for Jan. Some of them lose respect for her.

And that's kind of the nature of the situation where it's the boss and the other person. So, I mean, joking aside, I think it's just, you gotta hope. So you could also take a page out of Michael's book and start spreading rumors about other people doing weird shit. No, don't do that. I just mean like, like holiday parties, from my limited experience, it's like, there's always somebody who's like, feeling a holiday party a little too much. I know this isn't that, but you went to a second bar, the drinks were flowing. I'm sure people will understand. And I think time does heal all wounds. And I don't know. The only thing is sometimes you hear people talk about holiday

parties from 15 years ago. And I hope that's not one of those situations. I doubt it is. It doesn't sound like anybody was removing articles of know, breaking shit or anything. But, you know, I guess you just got to hope something else noteworthy happens. I think that's it. But I don't think she'll have to quit or be fired. I mean, that sounds like it would go down a road that could be messy if somebody was to fire her. I think you just got to hope something else happens. Right. I just think people can be real hypocrites about this. You know, she's the boss. She's the one person. And then there's easily a handful of people that are criticizing her or have lost respect for her that are probably... If you were in that situation, do you know exactly? You can sit there being determined, never thinking they would ever be, um, susceptible to this,

you know, allow themselves to be vulnerable. But I don't know if you're good. I mean, we got some really good looking emailers apparently on the show here, but if you're a good looking guy and you're young and you've had this great relationship and then she's been by herself and she's lonely and she's, you know,

again, once you start drinking, everybody starts saying, fuck it internally. Um, love that. Yeah, no, but I i mean look at i mean like it can make a lot of sense but then the problem is if she's not showing up to work if

she's continuously weeks removed from this blowing off work all the time because she's embarrassed then she's gonna have to work somewhere else or you're gonna have to fake engagement this so that then she feels comfortable which would be super awkward because then you're gonna have to fake break off the fake engagement at some point so um good luck with all that thank you to kyle and really fun podcast f1 season's over sucks that was an unbelievable race um that was a lot of fun a lot of fun doing that stuff i was i was you know it went from kind of a joke to then being entertained and then looking forward to it. All night, I went to bed early on Saturday, and I kept waking up every hour like Christmas,

being like, Abu Dhabi, let's go, because I didn't want to miss it. I didn't want to miss it live this morning. Send me your obscure sports, guys. We need another one. We have a void now. Every six shows, we need something. Just send it to me.

Ryan won't look. Send it to me, your obscure sports. We have a void now. We need every six shows. We need something. Just send it to me. Ryan won't look. Send it to me. You're obscure sports. I'll tell you this. I actually don't want. I mean, we could do it for the podcast, but I don't. That fall basketball starting even earlier overlap and then 5 a.m. race into football starts five hours from now.

That's preferably American then. Preferably American. Something that's easier to consume then preferably american something that's maybe tuesday afternoons or something like that all right we'll talk to you on wednesday Thank you.