The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Trent Dilfer’s Back! Week 1 QB Questions, Plus CFB’s Real Opening Weekend and Best Campus Experiences With Jamie Erdahl.

Episode Date: September 5, 2022

Russillo shares his observations from college football Week 1, including Notre Dame–Ohio State, Florida-Utah, Oregon-Georgia, Florida State–LSU, and more (0:37). Then Ryen talks with Super Bowl champion Trent Dilfer about young NFL QBs like Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, and Trey Lance; what to expect from Russell Wilson in Denver, Trent's favorite college QBs, and more (18:46). Then Ryen is joined by Jamie Erdahl of 'Good Morning Football' to discuss her journey from covering high school sports, to NESN, to NFL Network; Jamie's favorite SEC game-day experiences, who is the most interesting QB in football, and more (1:02:11). Finally Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life-Advice questions (1:28:49). Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Trent Dilfer and Jamie Erdahl Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

today in the ryan rossillo podcast our first visit with trent dilfer we're going to talk about opening camps for a bunch of different teams we're going to do some either or with different quarterbacks that we get deep on the lack of drafting success that we've had even more so in recent years jamie erdahl is the new host of Good Morning Football. I'm a huge fan. I work at the SEC, Nesson, and now she's transitioning into an opinion job five days a week. We've got life advice, college football, week one react. Enjoy. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Winter is here, so be prepared and get almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. What do I mean by almost anything? Well, you can't get a ski slope,

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Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Observations after a first full week of college football. I'm just going to run through a bunch of the games, little stuff that I saw here and there. The headliner, at least for the rankings, number two Ohio State against number five Notre Dame. It was 10-7 Notre Dame.

I put myself through this exercise when I'm watching games, taking down notes, and I said to myself, will Notre Dame win this game? And I wrote, no. And that's kind of how it felt. Even though they were up, it was a struggle for this Notre Dame offense. Second half, 72 yards on 20 plays. Total domination by an Ohio State defense that had to really kind of carry them

through this until Stroud and really the backup running back, Williams, got things cooking here for Ohio State. So as I had said with Big Cat during the preview part of it, I think looking back to last year's Ohio State defense, granted they brought in Jim Knowles, which I think every single college football fan has had beaten into his head this entire time. But there's some dudes there. You know what I mean? Like the draft prospect part of it, but some of those guys are just younger. There's a lot of guys making a lot of plays. and it just felt like other than a toss to Mayer from Tyler Buckton or the quarterback for Notre Dame, there wasn't a lot.

It felt like, what can Notre Dame go to right here to convert a third down that you feel good about? And it felt somewhat limited. On the other side for Stroud, even though Smith and Jigba was in and out of the game, this offense is going to be loaded. Harvin Marison Jr., you've got the return guy, and the backup running back was kind of the story, and he had a huge, huge third down catch as well.

So Ohio State, whatever the score was, it felt like that was their game despite being down a little bit earlier. The game I probably enjoyed as much as anything was Florida and Utah utah now here's a funny story i'll share with you as well they were putting up the draft rankings right and it said anthony richardson quarterback who again you know i've watched him last year number 15 mel kuyper had him number 12 on his prospect list not mock draft going 12th but 12th on the prospect list which means as a quarterback he's probably gonna go like maybe number five or number six. And I thought, hey, you know what would be a really good segment?

As I look at the prospect rankings or I look at a mock and I just go, hey, here's something I'll do on a Wednesday if maybe there's a slower news day, where I go through Mel or I go through McShay's rankings and I kind of do my own over-under based on what these guys are and I better do it soon here as the college football season is about to start. And the reason I started thinking out that segment, because I was like 12

for Richardson, I'm like, man, that seems high. Fast forward two hours later, it might be low. He is a stud. Now there are quarterbacks that can run and there are quarterbacks that can run and only like to run. And he can pass, he can run, but he stays in the pocket. He gives the pocket

a chance. He has pocket mobility. He has the arm angle throws down. The two-point conversion play where he is flushed out, the pocket doesn't even really exist because it's a rollout to his right. Pressure comes crashing down both angles. He gets into the air, pump fakes a pass, pirouettes, lands, and then runs out clear of the pressure of two defensive players and throws it to the back pylon for the two-point conversion. He's awesome. And I think everybody kind of fell in love with him. And maybe it's just one game or whatever, but to me, that is a big jump up there. And why

when I thought later to that segment, I go, maybe still a good segment idea. Maybe we leave Anthony Richardson out of this. Now for the Pac-12, what does this mean? This is now a 1-8 record. When you factor in the next game, we'll get to 2 as well. Oregon's beat down by Georgia. But the Pac-12 is now 1-8 in its last nine week one games

against the SEC. Not great. But I still feel good about Utah because this was a coin toss type game. The interception in the end zone, not maybe what you'd want as far as risk aversion on the play call there. But C.J. Rising's been around now.

I think he's a tough kid. I think he's a good quarterback. So I like him. Keithy, the big tight end, number 80, I believe, is an absolute matchup nightmare. The best part about this for Utah is I thought they won on offense in the line of scrimmage all night. I thought their O-line was pushing Florida back, so I felt like that group, that was a win. You do the SEC toughness stuff that drives everybody else crazy, and sometimes it's right, and sometimes it's just applied to teams that don't deserve it.

In this case, this wasn't about Utah, some Pac-12 team coming down to the swamp and getting their asses kicked all over the place by Deft and D-Line, which is sometimes the right version of the story. I don't think that's really what this was.

So despite the 1-9 record now, or excuse me, the 1-8 record for the Pac-12 schools, disappointing loss at the end of this, it's a coin toss result that should probably not be magnified out to meaning that Utah couldn't hang with one of the big boys in the SEC. And again, with Florida unranked coming into this, but with Richardson and the two, Johnson and Etienne, who looks terrific. I don't know enough about the receivers at this point. Jackson and Etienne, who looks terrific. I don't know enough about the receivers at this point. It looks like Richardson may have to carry them a little bit here. I'm not sure about the D-line because I thought Utah was winning again,

like I said in that matchup, although there was that number 21, the D-tackle was over 400 pounds, that when they went the backline camera on that one, the back judge camera angle, his ass took up the entire, it was like 55 inches of screen and about 30 inches of ass in that one. So there was a lot going on there in the middle, but I thought Utah physically held up really well and blew it at the very end. So I don't think Utah should be leaving there feeling like they can't match up with one of, again, we don't even know necessarily where Florida is in the SEC tiers right now, but it looks like probably an improvement from a disastrous end of last year. Speaking of improvement,

is it possible Georgia's better? Let's hold off on, well, it's just going to be Georgia and it doesn't matter. Let's play a couple more weeks. Is that all right? But boy, was that impressive. 49-3 against Oregon.

Stetson Bennett. How good is he? And are we dicks about height? He's really good, and yes, we are dicks about height. His Heisman odds before the season started, FanDuel, 100 to 1. They were behind Spencer Rattler

in about seven or eight running backs. He's now 20 to 1 on FanDuel, if you still want to get in on that. Apparently, he was only 1.7% of the entire action on the Heisman odds. So people weren't looking at him as a Heisman guy. Remember, last year, again, with the national title, but there was always the JT Daniels story, of the entire action on the Heisman odds. So people weren't looking at him as a Heisman guy. Remember, last year, again, with the national title,

but there was always the JT Daniels story, which, by the way, that former USC Daniel Slovis matchup, backyard brawl, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, probably one of my favorite games the entire week. But we always kind of felt like, all right, Stetson's there, but they'll probably do something else at some point. I thought he was so locked in.

He was precise precise he wasn't forcing anything granted your defense is humiliating oregon on the other side so maybe you're not pressured enough to go ahead and do some of these things but he was fourth in qb rating last season when i'll admit like a lot of people were like a nice little story there but whatever does it really matter uh i don't know maybe i'm i'm opening my mind up. We'll ask Dilfer about this a little bit later of what Stetson Bennett could actually be because he looks like a really good quarterback. And that's still with some limitations, I think, of the receiver position because, as Kirk Herbstreit said on a preview show that made me kind of go, wait, is he right?

He said not only is this the best tight end room in the country, maybe the best tight end room of all time. Whenever you throw an all time on there, it makes me notice, unless I think your content is garbage, and I think Kirk Herbstreit's content is not garbage. It's great. And then I started thinking, wait a minute. All right, well, Bowers is totally unfair. Washington, the 6'7 guys like Anthony Mason out there, who I do think I'd like his hands to maybe be a little bit more consistent, but red zone, absolute matchup nightmare, huge recruit coming in. And then Eric Gilbert, if you watched at LSU,

who transferred in, he was the number one tight end in his class. And as soon as you saw him as a freshman at LSU, you're like, this guy's like a top 10 pick. This is insane what this guy can do. And then he transfers in there, and then they brought in the number three tight end, Delp, a kid who's actually from Georgia.

You're like, wait, why are you going to go to this school? He was the number three tight end, goes to Georgia's hometown school and all that kind of stuff. Gilbert, I don't even think got in the game until a little bit later. I'm actually a little surprised he would transfer there considering, you know, this is the room that actually doesn't need you. And he has to be locked into the football part of this because I think towards the end, he, like some other LSU players, weren't entirely signed up for the assignment. That's the Georgia side of it. As far as Bo Nix,

welcome to the show. Bo Nix broke the hearts of Oregon Ducks fans three years ago with an impossible throw that somehow worked out. We saw his dad in the stands a hundred different times. Bo Nix is an adventure and honestly, I think over a full season, it's an adventure that you're not

totally excited for. The first pick wasn't really his problem. The corner made an unbelievable catch on that. The second pick was brutal. They didn't really have much of a chance. They couldn't seem to block anything there with Georgia. Georgia looks loaded up again. When I picked them to be outside of the playoff, because I was like, maybe a little bit of a national championship

hangover, I get a call from somebody who knows, not from Georgia, but somebody who talks to guys in Georgia so just a heads up on your Georgia thing because they're thrilled with their roster and they're like this is a joke again and go ahead and doubt us if you want especially if you know Bennett is a little bit better so keeping track of the transfers remember that Finley went to Auburn from LSU and he beat out Calzada and then another Oregon backup who transferred there who beat out Calzada for the backup to Finley. And then Bo Nix was like,

I'll go to Oregon where again, one of the other Oregon QBs ended up in Auburn. This will make sense a little bit later. Quick notes on the ACC, NC state ECU. Look, Devin Leary, the quarterback for NC state, physically is that guy.

He's worth paying attention to. App State scores 40 points in the fourth quarter against UNC. Are you kidding? And then Old Dominion beats Virginia Tech. So not great, Bob, for the ACC at the start of these things. Here's a QB line from Max Olson of The Athletic. Speaking of the transfers and trying to keep up with this stuff of the starters that we had this week there's

131 FBS college football programs 60 were transfers 40 were transfers this cycle so the next time some transfer who was you know big time guy power five decides to bounce from one power five to the next and you hear in the spring it's an open competition

it's not because if that guy's good enough to transfer somewhere else that's a decent school that means there's another 10 schools that would take him and at some point someone's going to have to guarantee him that the starting spot is him but then he'll say hey we're going to make sure it's a company it's not a competition almost every single one of these guys starts one third of the college football landscape has a starting quarterback to start this year who was part of the most recent transfer cycle. That is an insane number. On the bets, Arkansas-Cincinnati winner.

I don't think I've ever heard an announcer as much as Rod Gilmore want Cincinnati's quarterback to be benched in that game. Bryant, who originally was at Cincinnati, then left for one of the Michigan schools, smaller ones, and then came back to Cincinnati, another transfer in there. We're close in that game. Arkansas wins it. That was a winner.

The loser, LSU. All right, let's discuss that game late last night. Van Lathan comes down to hang out. Baton Rouge guy. We're sitting there, and we're like, how do you feel? And he's like, I don't know. I don't feel great. He called it.

He's like, I don't like this whole line. And started talking about jayden daniels the arizona transfer i said i don't know if they made him the starter because he's awesome because he was dynamic as a freshman and then you kept watching arizona state and you're like i don't know this is kind of falling apart i think he trusts run a little bit more i think what we're seeing here not to say that nussmeyer the backup because max because Max Johnson, who was the other backup, is now in Texas A&M. There's a theme here. Daniels transfers to LSU. He's probably told he's going to be the starter. They can pretend that he wasn't told that, whatever.

The official announcement wasn't until very, very late. But Daniels may be the starter because this LSU line can't block. The O-line has major problems. Freshman at left tackle, fifth-year guy at right tackle that wasn't having a great night on top of everything else. And so as you're watching the game play out, Florida State's converting every third down, eight of their first 12.

Jordan Travis, quarterback now, second year as a starter for Florida State. He's terrific. He is really, really good. Much better quarterback than I thought Daniels was for the entire night. And yet you're going, wait, LSU's going to have a chance at this? They go almost 99 yards to tie it

until they have the blocked extra point from the side, which doesn't really happen that often on extra points. They had the two punt fumbles by neighbors on the returns. They had the field goal that was blocked on top of all this stuff. And so you're left with wondering what's going on. And by the way, Boutte, one of the best receivers in the entire country. I don't know what was going on with his routes. Was he so upset about not getting the ball early?

He only had like four targets, I believe. One of the targets was on him for not getting it. Boutte unfollowed and erased all the LSU content and then had to be consoled on the sideline. I don't know what that means. Unfortunately for LSU fans, it's been a long stretch of guys that don't seem to want to be there.

With Brian Kelly in place, you feel like, okay, the Coach O stuff, now it's sort of over of guys that don't seem to want to be there. But with Brian Kelly in place, you feel like, OK, the coach owes stuff. Now it's sort of over. Things just didn't seem to be super locked up. And a lot of players that didn't want to be there. I don't know if this means it's just a frustrated kid after a night and I can't shoot enough balls. But if you look at the difference between Travis from Florida State going through his reads and Daniels, who I don't think goes through a ton of reads and wants to still run first, he may be out there because he's just better equipped to deal with an offensive line that

can't necessarily block him. And on top of Mason Smith, their best defensive player, looks like tearing up his knee on that first series. And then Ali Gay, who's tried to headbutt Travis. I have no idea what he was doing defensive captain there. So not a great night for LSU. And predictably, people just hate Brian Kelly. And I don't love that he left

when his team was going into a playoff, but I'd like to see how many other people would turn down a hundred million dollars to go coach at one of the elite programs in college football. It's not great. It's the way business works. Business isn't always great. But man, and then it kind of was the Nebraska thing of LSU being the only game on and all of the mistakes, getting that close, coming back, and then ultimately blowing it that way. LSU fans, just so you know, national media, national fan base does not like your head coach. Speaking of social media, a moment, if you allow it.

I have a lot of friends. I have people that I'm not friends with that cover football. In this time of year, we really seem to pick up the momentum, this lead up to it. It's like, man, I love football, but dot, dot, dot. What's the dot, dot, dot? You're going to be busy now? Yeah, it's called a job. I get it. You're going to be away from the family a little bit more. You're going to have to get on a couple flights.

You're going to have to stick around after the game's done. Maybe get some post-game react. Have to check in on a practice. Chase down the story. In college football, if you just cover one team and they're good, you may go on the road four or five times. In the NFL, you're going to go on the road, what, eight or nine times. There are times you're going to be home. You're going to be home during the week.

You're going to be putting the kids to going to be home during the week. You're going to be putting the kids to bed most nights if you have kids. Some of you even have help. I think the travel part of it, again, it's single digits. It's probably single digits flights. And it's the shortest season of any of the sports. College, you're going to be done beginning of January. NFL, if your team's any good, maybe it goes into February. Maybe if you're a national guy, you have to go Super Bowl whole deal. I just wanted to point something out. I want to talk about this thing called baseball.

They go 162. You know when they have off days? It's called the random Monday or Thursday. And that's when you're on a plane getting to the next city where you watch three or four games in a row. And then you fly to the next one. Sometimes you're gone for like two weeks and then you come back and then you leave again. And that season starts in like February. And sometimes the guys on the team called pitchers and catchers get there even earlier than the rest of the team. And that means you have to go down there too.

And then if your team is good, you sit there from February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, the dog days, and then into October because they keep expanding the playoffs. And then it could even go into November. And then they have an offseason called the hot stove league. You got to stay on top of that too. league. You got to stay on top of that too. So, I'm just pointing out that maybe

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Yeah. Last time I saw you, you were rocking the chubbies at Elite 11, just crushing that pro night practice. Good to see you. Well, I appreciate the invite every year to Elite 11. It's awesome because I get to talk to you, I get to talk to all your staff, and then you kind of put certain guys on my radar, and then it's amazing. I'm telling you right now, you guys are not screwing around because every time, the amount of information I get from those two hours on just kind of like, this is how we feel about this player. This is how we feel about this player and how often you are right. It is astonishing.

I mean, I didn't mean to start here, but I don't know what it is. Like you just you guys do a great job. I'm not kissing your ass here. I'll get a nugget where I'm like, there's no way that's going to happen. And then it's week six and it happens. Why do you think your staff is so good at this? I think it starts with Brian Stump. He's been doing it forever.

He's the president of student sports. He did the very first Elite 11 with Bob Johnson, Andy Mark, Nike headquarters, but way back in the day. And then he kind of showed us kind of scouting profile. And then myself and Joeyey and jordan and george and hoover and paul and i can go on and on on kind of just over the quincy just over the years kind of figured out the traits that matter the most that are transferable to the next levels and i think what gets misinterpreted sometimes is sometimes the best high school quarterback

doesn't have the best future in college football. There's some defining traits that over now 12 years we've found to be pretty consistent with guys that are going to make it. And a lot of it comes down to dude qualities. A lot of it comes down to the DQs. They're all very talented. They're all big and strong or twitchy or fast or whatever their physical traits are. But we haven't missed on many that have the true DQs, the ones that can go into a room, own the room, handle the environments that they're going to be put in,

are competitive, that are self-motivated, that aren't entitled, that can process quickly, that can learn. We call them one rep guys. Guys are the one rep guys. They do something wrong, they trust you for feedback. You give them feedback and they fix it. Those are the guys one rep guys you know they do something wrong they trust you for feedback you give them feedback and they fix it uh those are the guys that tend to make it well it also lays a great foundation for understanding every class that now comes into the nfl i want to talk

about a couple of the second year guys but the first question is just in general what do you look for when you're watching the second year guys what's that thing you go okay i want to see this this needs to be different if it isn it isn't, that's a problem. Yep. Command. So easy. It's the number one thing you're looking for.

Do they have command? Now, command has a couple verticals underneath it. Command of the people around you. You're not trying too hard, but do you just own it? Are they looking to you for information?

Have you earned it in the offseason? Have you earned it in the weight room? Have you earned it in the team meetings? Have you earned it having flying into guys and throwing work in the offseason? Have you earned it in the weight room? Have you earned it in the team meetings? Have you earned it having flying to guys and throwing work in the offseason? Have you earned it by earning their respect? If you do, you'll have

command because they're looking to the quarterback to kind of command that team. It's as clear as day whether they have it or not. Then command of the offense. They don't have to be perfect all the time. They're going to still make a ton of mistakes and they're still going to have flaws within their game. Like Justin Fields, who we'll get into, still is not going to be great in the spread game. He They're going to still make a ton of mistakes and they're still going to have flaws within their game. Like Justin Fields, who we'll get into still is not going to be great in the

spread game. He's not going to anticipate those tight window throws in the short to intermediate game as well as he will next year or the year after. But does he have command of the offense? Is he directing the line of scrimmage? Is he not allowing free runners and blitz? Are they're not having foolish penalties at the line of scrimmage? Is he lining guys up? Is he not allowing free runners and blitz? Are they not having foolish penalties at the line of scrimmage? Is he lining guys up? Is he changing his cadence around, which is a huge thing in the NFL? Do you have the confidence to switch the cadence up so your offensive linemen aren't at a disadvantage for the defensive linemen?

Just little things like that. Do you have command of your offense? And then do you have command of the ball? That does not mean every throw is perfect. It does not mean you're not going to have some turret rockets. But ultimately, is he throwing the ball on the outside eyeball on an out-breaking route? Is he layering a ball versus zone coverage to get it over a defender

that's dropping in zone? Is he leading receivers in the deep ball? Runaways. Think of those deep over routes everybody's running. Is he leading him and throwing him open? Is he making tight window throws where he is throwing a guy open? Back shoulder fades, comebacks, there's tight

coverage, inside whip routes where the guy's hanging on him. Is he throwing guys open? That shows me he has command of the ball. If he has command, he's going to be fine. He's not only going to be fine, he's going to be really good, especially not only going to be fine, he's going to be really good, especially if he has the physical traits to go with.

How bad do you feel about field setup for the second year? Not as bad as everybody else. I don't think they'll be super dynamic. I agree with those people that have said it's not a dynamic skill position roster offensively. I don't think it's bad, though. I mean, I've actually watched them play more than anybody else in the preseason for whatever reason.

And I love what they're doing offensively. I think you can have a solid middling offense with average people. And people are going to go, well, that's really exciting. But if you play good defense and you make good plays, those teams go 9-7. Those teams go 10-6. If you play good defense, you're good plays, those teams go nine and seven. Those teams go 10 and six. If you play good defense, you're well coached. You make good decisions.

You don't turn it over. I get it. We're in an era where everybody's trying to be explosive and I want to be too. Like I'm ticked off my team right now because we haven't been as explosive as I want to be in three games. But the ultimate job is to win the game. And I do believe he's a winner. I do believe the system around him is a winning system.

It's just not an overly explosive system. They're going to have to run the ball well. For this system to work, they're going to have to run the ball from the dot very well. They're going to have to establish the play-action game. And then Justin's going to have to be Aaron Rodgers year two. And if people remember Aaron Rodgers year two, it wasn't always the prettiest passing, but he made plates. You know, you could just feel that this guy was going to, I remember me and Colin used to argue about all the time. Colin wasn't a believer. I was, and I'm just like, Hey,

he makes plays when they need to make plates. They're not the greatest offense in the world. He's not the most consistent of all time, but he's going to be. And he makes plays with his feet, with his arm and critical moments. And Justin's going to have. And he makes plays with his feet, with his arm, in critical moments, and Justin's going to have to be that. Here's the term. He's going to have to be clutch in big moments because they're going to play a lot of really close games where it's going to be a one-score game

and he's going to have to make a play. By the way, Lipscomb Academy, 3-0 in those three games. Good start for Trent and the guys. Trevor Lawrence. I think, were you actually one of the few guys that was like, I really like him, but he's not one of these all-time prospects that people are making him out to be? I believe that's what you said.

And I felt like last year, okay, things are a mess, the urban part's a mess, it's not a great roster, all these different things. I was kind of surprised, and I don't know if it was him forcing things or not seeing things. There were mistakes later in the season for him that i'm like wait i didn't really like i thought he was now it could just be a mess of a

season it doesn't mean anything i was a little bit more i guess i go into his second year being like wait is he not this home run guy that i thought i watched at clemson because i loved him at clemson and you clearly liked him a little bit less than i did yeah so i want to put this contextually i want the headline to be like dilfer doesn't like Trevor. I love him as a person. I think he's a fantastic leader. I think he's got all the DQs you can look for. He's got incredible talent, all those things. He will be successful. He does not at this point have elite field vision. He didn't at Clemson. He didn't last year. He does not see it like the great passers and people are going to go, how do you know? Well, cause one, I didn't see it great at times. There were years I did. There were times I felt like

I saw it as good as anybody. So I know the difference. I know what you're looking for to look at a guy. If he's seeing it, right. Tends to hang on something too long, which doesn't allow him to see it. He doesn't move on through his progressions. Uh, and this was common at Clemson. They were so talented. There was so much perimeter pick and stick. There was so much RPO where it was like, um, you know, pick this guy and stick with him or either or it's him or somebody else that he really wasn't trained to get off of stuff.

He would his his philosophers will just throw him open if he's not covered. And it worked a lot of times because he has tremendous talent. But that's that's going to lead to this in the NFL. And I would think in year two, you're going to see way higher peaks. He will do some phenomenal stuff because he is phenomenally talented. They're better around them. So they have people that can make plays. I like their system.

I think their system is going to be solid. But he's going to have some scratch your head moments because he just doesn't see it like the elite guys. And don't just take my word for it. I mean, us quarterbacks, we talk in the offseason and we're all rooting for Trevor and we all think he's a unique talent, but we've all kind of said the same thing is we're going to need to see him see the field better, make more full field reads, get off the stuff faster, take the cheese, move the chains more often. Once he gets that point, which I think he will, but it might be year

three, might be year four, before you see the consistency that great quarterbacks in NFL have. Whenever a team sucks in the preseason, I think the fan base, depending on how the media goes, it's like, well, they're not going to show their stuff. They're going to show their stuff. I'm like, maybe they suck. I imagine every organization is a little bit different in the coaching philosophy on this stuff. I still have a hard time believing that you're going to show their stuff. I'm like, maybe they suck. I imagine every organization is a little bit different in the coaching

philosophy on this stuff. I still have a hard time believing that you're going to have three preseason games where you don't have any install whatsoever of the stuff that you're going to want to run during the season. What is real? Give me the best answer you can on this default excuse for teams that don't look good, especially on offense

in the preseason. Yeah, it tends to be offense. I think it's baloney. I think, you know, when we were bad on offense, we used that excuse. And then guess what? Week ones, two and three is the same stuff. Different for me. You know what I mean? It was the same stuff.

The few offenses that were on that were pretty darn good or had great offensive coaches. So Mike Holmgren, Norv Turner, Billick was this way. You ran the stuff that you thought you were good at. You ran the stuff to highlight players. Now, you didn't show them all the wrinkles to it, but you worked on the stuff that you've been working on since the spring. Like, you're a vertical passing team.

You're going to throw vertical passes. You're going to have pass protections that fit your vertical passing game. If you're a run-run-action team, you're going to try to run the rock and run action. You're not going to drop back pass all the time because you haven't been

working on it that much. So I think it's baloney. I think the really good teams take the philosophy offensively as we're going to dictate terms. We don't really care if you think you know what we're doing. We're going to dress it up in such a way and stay on the attack that you're not going to stop us. I guarantee you, Mike March ran 525 F post in the preseason. That's the best

play. It's Kurt Warner's favorite play. It's one of the greatest plays of the choreo system of all time. And everybody knows they run it. And guess what? They ran it the preseason and they probably were really good at it. Now, when they went and played their first opponent, they might have shifted tight end. They might have motioned the zebra receiver. They might have hopped the back. They might have done it out of a cluster instead of a spread,

but you're going to run 525F post. I mean, you're just going to do it because it's one of the best plays in your playbook, the same way the West Coast is going to run Fox 2X and Y hook. Everybody knows you're going to run Fox 2X and Y hook. It's one of the best play action classes in all of football. You're going to run it five, six times in the playbook, the same way the West Coast is going to run Fox 2X and Whitehook. Everybody knows you're going to run Fox 2X and Whitehook. It's one of the best play-action classes in all of football. You're going to run it five, six times in the preseason. It's probably going to be the third call of the game, the first game of the year.

That was a great answer. What do you expect from Russell Wilson in Denver? I think magic. I'm bullish. I usually like to be the contrarian on some of these off-season moves, too. I usually be like, well contrarian on some of these offseason moves, too. You know what I mean? I usually be like, well, it's going to take time, chemistry, not with Russ. I think the guy's magic.

I mean, I think it's been like four years in a row by week six or seven, I'm like, oh, there's your MVP. And he hasn't, but I think he's one of the best players in all football. I think he's a unique leader. I really like the skill position guys he's working with, and I like their temperaments. I got to know Jerry really well when he was working out with Tua as I was training Tua before the draft.

Jerry is a pro. You know, he's going to be a guy that takes every little nuance of coaching from the quarterback really well. So I think you're going to see him just skyrocket. And, you know, is it Hamler, the quick kid from Penn State? Yeah. I mean, he's your Lockett. So if you're Russell Wilson, you're like, man,

I just lit up the NFC West with Lockett, and this guy's even faster. He's got the same skill set. You got the big guy outside of him and Judy. So they can run the ball. They got a two-headed monster running the football. I like their offensive line. I think they're going to be magical offensively. I don't know anything about them defensively except their free safety.

They're good players. I know that. I've watched them play. They play so well. But I think it's going to be a defense that needs to have a chip on his shoulder. They're obviously playing very good skill position people in their division, which every defense in that division is going to have their work cut out for them. But they're going to have to earn it over time,

and they're going to have to play complementary to this explosive offense. I can see this being a defense that may give up a lot of yards, but if they don't give up a lot of points, they can still be really successful. Yeah, I mean, if you go Sutton, Judy, Hamler as your starting three receivers, you should feel really good about that. Good offensive line, too. And Russ makes your offensive line better. Unless he blames it.

I'd be bullish on any offensive line that's playing with Russ because he's just so magical. He's Ben Roethlisberger when Ben was at his prime where you don't have to block it right and he's going to make you right. Right. But I also think it's the part of the frustration, though, and that's

where I think the Russell Wilson part in Seattle, I was a little annoyed with. It's been like, look, a lot of the sacks are actually on you. Like he was, he's been so careful about everything he said his entire career. And then it was like planting the seeds of discontent.

And they were like, all right, we can't point to sack numbers with this whole line because, you know, part of the beauty of him is keeping things alive. And part of the frustration of blocking him, you have no idea where he is behind you yeah and sack numbers are kind of garbage anyways you know i mean it's when they're at you know what what part of the field what down

are they on uh i think russ has always been really good at third and hard you know so whatever third and hard that's why i love him that's that's where i'm like he's gonna figure out a way it's the athlete in him not even the quarterback like that's going to figure out a way. It's the athlete in him, not even the quarterback. That's somebody I still have a tremendous amount of trust on. So I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I completely, there's this part of him on third and seven. It's like, oh, it's the real rollout. It's the flip as he's going to the sideline,

over the defender, drops him for the safety, that touch shit that you just have or you don't have. And to me, he has all that stuff. That's why I love it. Totally agree. What's why I totally agree. What's the best you felt opening the season? Oh, God. Not health wise.

Not mental health. This is such a horrible story. And like, this is good. I might start crying telling this story. I'm so glad I asked. Oh, in 99. So 97 was the big year in Tampa. We'd come, built ourselves out of the dust, a bunch of pro bowlers, playoffs, won a playoff game, sky's the limit.

98, we underachieve. And offense took a lot of the brunt of that, and it wasn't necessarily all our fault. This great defense in 97 didn't play as well, especially in critical moments in 98. So as a team, we just under underachieved but we got the blame i mean it was all of us it wasn't just dilfer it was all of us and where we had real chips on our shoulders and we we got after it in offseason i was best offseason i'd ever had i was getting older then i was in my sixth year and it got beat up a lot

early in my year early in my career in Tampa. So I had to really heal my body. I did all the things. I mean, I literally was, I was a machine that off season. And we were so excited for the regular season. We had a great training camp. We were more explosive in training camp. We were opening it up like everything lined up that this was the coming out party. And I played a lot of bad games in my career, right? I never played one worse than the opening day against the Giants.

I felt so good. Our defense played so good. I think they held the Giants to under 160 yards or something. People can look it up. It's some crazy number of how well the defense played. And it wasn't just that I threw picks. I threw like the stupidest, trying too hard, lost us the game, single handedly lost us the game.

And really played bad there for a few weeks. I ended up getting benched. My starting streak got stopped like 77 that season because I followed that stinker up with a couple others and really played some of the worst football of my career after playing good in 97 and 98. Ended up playing good in 99 when I came back and ended up getting hurt. But taught me a valuable lesson of expectations, of getting too far ahead of yourself. A lot of these guys, and you hear it with young guys, they're talking about how great they're going to be. They're talking about how explosive they're going to be. Oh, we're going to be unstoppable.

Oh, this combination, how do you block us or how do you stop us? And you just hear it from every team. You watch the NFL network and they go to these, uh, camp to camp. And it's basically just turn on a tape recorder. You're going to hear the same things from the star players.

And you start getting way out of your head of yourself and playing the game before you actually play it. The NFL is hard no matter how good you are. And if you get even one play ahead of yourself, you're asking for trouble. And I made that mistake in a catastrophic way in 99, but I felt so good going into the year. It was crazy.

Yep, not one for the highlight reel. Three picks in that one five turnovers for the team so you were minus five and that's how you lost to a Giants team that only gained 107 yards total yep and I might throw them right to them like we had the lead and I'm scrambling around I remember one to my left I actually had a guy open like on the second layer but I should have just thrown it away. And I literally, it was like, I was trying to throw it to you on the zoom. Like I just threw it right to the guy.

I don't know why. I don't know. I, it was awful. It was a terrible, terrible experience. I had to throw like that intramural sheet once. Thanks for bringing it up.

Yeah, no, I mean, the funny thing is, I was then going to transition to what's the worst you felt opening a season, but I don't know. No, that was 2000. That was 2000 in Baltimore.

I mean, the year we won the Super Bowl, I'd come off a broken collarbone and third-degree separation of my throwing shoulder. And the collarbone broke and laid over itself like this when it healed. So this one right here, you can still feel the giant bone where it laid over. So not end to end over yeah and then the ac joint i had my sixth separation on it so i couldn't i didn't throw gosh i don't think i threw till may and i had lost i had a pretty big arm. I had a huge arm the first four years of my career, a really good arm, 98, 99.

And I went into 2000 with a pea shooter. I mean, if I went from throwing at 75 to 80, if you're just going to go long toss, I think I threw it 80 yards one time, probably threw it 72, 73, 98, 99. I bet you I couldn't throw a ball 60 yards in 2000 and that that equated to a lot of the driving throws and i was going to billick who likes to throw the ball down the field so i go to that training camp tony banks just ripping fire all over the place and i'm throwing little pea shooters out there like i'd never done like i've had a huge arm since I was 16 years old. So, um, that, that sucked my body hurt, uh, from the rehab of the shoulder. Um, because I rehabbed the shoulder

so hard, I let some other things slide. And I felt like crap going into two, I feel like crap the whole year. I was never healthy. I wasn't even close to healthy that year. Um, uh, part of that, I think, is why I managed so well when I took the job over because I couldn't do a lot of things that I used to be able to do. So there were just things I chose not to even look at because I couldn't do it anymore. I ended up getting that back when I got to Seattle for a couple of years before I tore my Achilles. But man, 2000 in training camp on a scale of 1 to 10, I felt like a 4. And during the season, I probably felt like a 6. There you go. You won the Super Bowl.

A couple more things here. Are you surprised that with this roster, I'm not the biggest Jimmy G guy that's well documented, but when you think of, hey, Super Bowl, I still can't believe they beat Green Bay last year in that game but when you think about the roster and knowing that Lance has just less reps behind him I think this also speaks to like when a team tells you how they feel about the incumbent like this is a big big move here are you surprised that they're going to Lance to run the show here knowing what the rest of the roster is like and what they've done in the past

show here knowing what the rest of the roster is like and what they've done in the past? I'm not because how Kyle runs the offense. I think you're going to see a 49ers team that has always run the ball well. They're going to run it better than they've ever run. They're going to action it better than they've ever actioned it. They're going to make more big plays. Don't forget what Kyle did with RG3 that one year. You're going to see some of that stuff back. You're going to see some of that stuff back. You're going to see some... Trey Lance is a dynamic runner. RG3 was dynamic, not

strong. Trey Lance is dynamic and strong. And he likes it. Trey Lance likes to run. So I think... Now, I'm not saying they're going to be running the double arc RPO reads like Baltimore does, but I think they're going to have some of that stuff. I think you're going to have a nice dose of run-driven quarterback,

run-driven offense, which is going to get you to find looks in the secondary to create big plays. It's the formula that worked for Kaepernick with the Niners. It worked for RG3 with the Commanders. It'll work. It's worked with Lamar and Baltimore. You've seen elements. Green Bay did it a little bit with Aaron

a handful of years ago. You saw it with Russell Wilson. You're seeing with these guys that have dynamic legs. You're going to see that. And what it does to a defense is it just forces you to define looks. And I'll go back to when I was at ESPN and all the old curmudgeonies would say,

oh, this is a fad, this is a fad. And I said, no, it's not. And it's not. Like, you're only going to see more of it. You're only going to see more of these advantages because you gain a gap. You force the defense to play a one-high defense or cover zero.

And now you have advantageous looks in the passing game. I want to do some rapid fire, but actually it doesn't have to be quick here. I'm springing this on you. I don't know if I want to ask it in the sense of, like, moving forward for their careers or just kind of how you feel about the quarterbacks now maybe you've changed your mind at all with these guys all right so i'm going to pair up a couple guys ready uh burrow or herbert moving forward oh i i you're both so good. Uh, Herbert, the defense, I think they've supported him so much team wide.

Um, I, and the, but every time you say something positive about, I mean, they're both such great players. Okay. Let's just put it in a vacuum.

Let's take away the rest of it. Cause I had actually argued the charges have not done a great job with it, but we were just so like, even though Cincinnati made to the super bowl, watching Tennessee game again the other day for me I'm like I can't believe Burroughs survived that game uh and I guess the offensive line's better but I think that just might be you know it's supposed to be we'll see so let's just let's just do it in a vacuum like if you could just pick sides who would you want do you want to abstain from this one no i like i love them both um so that's my dog angry at something um i would go server because of the what i would call a horsepower

twitch metric that means that he has a rare combination of like your big beast giant horsepower thing your muscle car engine, and then the twitch of a Tesla. You just do not find that. And what you can do with that as a play designer and as you develop talent around you is unlimited. Burrow's very talented. He has really good arm talent,

but he does not have unique horsepower twitch like Herbert has. Good answer. All right, Tua or Mack? Tua or what? Tua or Mack Jones? Tua. You know I'm bullish on Tua.

And now with Tyreek Hill there, Waddle, McDaniel, play designing, I think Tua is ready to have a really, really good year. I'm not going to say Pro Bowl or anything like that. The conference is so low with quarterbacks, but he's going to be one of the better quarterbacks. Who knows? With the alternates, half the guys are getting named to the Pro Bowl at some point anyway. That's true. Wentz or Baker?

Baker. Everybody's so down on Baker. I said it from day one on Baker, just know what he is and you'll like him. Don't make him to be something he's not. Everybody wanted him to be this Steve Young, right? And I said, no, he's at, he needs to try to be Drew Brees. If he can try to be Drew Brees and become a great timing, rhythm, tempo passer, which he has in him. He's a fierce competitor.

Players love him. He's a tough guy. He's always played well in big moments. I think Baker can be a really good quarterback in this league. Yeah, I mean, he brings it on himself a little bit, but I don't know that anyone can watch those games and be honest, even if you don't like Baker. He was hurt.

He was hurt. Yeah. Significantly. The way he was just moving around, I'm like, okay, this guy's super banged up. And I'm not telling you I loved all of it. And we'll see. We'll see what happens here.

But it's crazy how bad the history is on those top picks. I did the podcast last week on it. When you go through a 10-year draft of first-round picks, there's five that complete flame out. There's five that are basically franchise stalwarts, and there's about 15 of them that go to another team after significant starts, Sanchez, on and on and on. And Tannehill's the only guy that you could really say,

maybe Jameis, if he stayed healthy in New Orleans, could be the starter there for another five years, maybe. But Tannehill, after three years, you're like, that's the one guy that went to a new team as a former first and made it work and felt like the guy. And even they took a quarterback. So what Baker's trying to do here historically doesn't quite work out. But I think it feels a little early to turn the page on a guy that I saw

that looked physically incapable of even being out on the field. I thought he was that banged up last year. I agree, and we use these first-round pick stuff, but who's to say that any of them should have been... I mean, a lot of these guys shouldn't have been first-round picks. That's why I think draft time is always the most fun to talk quarterbacks,

because you just see the ignorance of so many people elevating quarterbacks that don't have first-round traits or first-pick traits. So I think the reason the hit rate, the bust rate is so high is because they're being way, way, way, way, way overdrafted based on need. And the same people keep making the same mistakes. And somehow people keep believing them, that they know what they're doing.

So I think I try to be very politically correct when I say this every year. I just want you to know what you're getting. This is kind of what I do is look at quarterbacks and not compare them to me. Most of them are better than me. So hear that clear, all you haters. I'm not saying Trent Dilfer said they need to be like him. So I've done this a long time. And it is really, really clear when a guy's being made out to be something that he does not have

the physical, emotional, or mental traits to be. If you just know what you're getting, then a lot of times they exceed your expectations. And now you're excited to have that guy. If you drafted Baker Mayfield in the second round, you'd be thrilled to death to have him. And that's where he should have been drafted. So I just think guys need to know what they're getting when they get that guy and they would coach differently and have different expectations around them.

I could talk about the quarterback thing all day with you. You know that and how much I've gone back and looked at the drafting thing and I've kind of landed on like, well, maybe that's just what it is. It's just the position. It's almost like getting married. All the people are like, Hey, this is great. I figured it out. It's like, well, half you guys screw it up too. So, um, or maybe you're the screw up. So, but you said something. Cause when I started looking at like the second chance guys, the rate was even worse than just the normal bus rate of like 50% over a 20-year stretch. And I shared in that podcast a ringer coworker because he didn't tell me the name of it, so I don't want to use his name or whatever, but it was Van Dyke, the Miami kid.

And he was like, oh, is he a second rounder? And the GM had told him, well, anyone with a second round grade is a first round pick now because the other theory being just keep drafting him until you hit it right. But then it reminds me of stuff like Matt Barkley, where Matt Barkley is a top 10 pick if he doesn't go back to USC. Sam Howell at North Carolina was thought to be a first round pick. He goes in the fifth round after another year at UNC. I don't know what other sport that happens in. Yes, there's some exceptions, but for that position that's that important and that you've watched a year of film and you're like, I will take him ahead of, I don't know, 230 players,

and now I'm going to take 200 players ahead of him because of another 12-game sample. That's insane variance at that position that is more telling than maybe even just the bus that you could have a guy five rounds lower after another season like that just wouldn't happen with a basketball player okay so i will i think i might be the only human on the planet that believes this in a quarterback world my my buddies who i respect disagree with what I'm about to say, but I strongly believe in it. Don't play them so fast. Number one.

Wherever you draft them, don't throw them on the field so fast. They need time to watch it and learn from somebody else's mistakes. I think that's, it's like parenting. I've told my, I'm a granddad now, by the way. Congratulations. Thank you. You're great. He's five weeks old and I told my daughter forever'm a granddad now, by the way. Congratulations. Thank you. Great.

He's five weeks old. And I told my daughter forever, like you don't have to make mistakes. Parenting. I made them with you, you know, learn from my mistakes when they were growing up. I told him like,

you don't have to go do this terrible thing and learn from it. I'll tell you how I did it. I learned from it. Here's the pain it caused. So don't go make the same mistake I made and cause that pain. I'll tell you how I did it. I learned from it. Here's the pain it caused. So don't go make the same mistake I made and cause that pain. I think a quarterback sitting his first year-ish, and that could be eight months, that could be 16 months, somewhere in that year-ish, he'll watch somebody else do a bunch of really stupid things. He'll also watch his offensive

coordinator and offensive staff learn about their team, and he won't have to go through the growing pains of, oh, we thought that receiver was going to be really good, but he's not, so we need to replace him. We thought this running back could be a bell cow, but he can't. Or we got this left guard. He's not great in protection, but he's a run guy.

Oh, no, he's terrible. He gets us killed on third down. Well, guess what? Trent Dilfer dilfer the journeyman gets to come in and make all those mistakes so that matt hasselback can watch him and learn from him and i there's something magical about that i don't think mahomes is mahomes as fast if he doesn't have alex smith i don't think carson palmer's carson palmer without john kitna i don't think aaron rogers Palmer without John Kitna. I don't think Aaron Rodgers, I swear Aaron Rodgers isn't Aaron Rodgers without Brett Favre. And what these guys learned was they got to see all the mistakes somebody else made. And if they're smart,

they learn from them and they learn to play the position different than they thought in their head. I think that's one big thing. The other thing with, with drafting quarterbacks is what are you looking for? Like, what were they looking for? The scouts, when they said somehow it was a first round pick.

And I love Sam's a friend, but when he asked me, I said, yeah, you know, third, fourth, you know,

that's, you're built like a third. You have the talent, the third or fourth round pick. You know, I told Mitch Trubisky to stay in school when he called. I said, you know, you're, you're a third round guy that if you play a lot of really good football this year, you could play like a first rounder because you have the talent of a first rounder. You got to play a lot of football before you know what they are. When they don't play a lot of football in college, you are guessing. You're totally guessing.

Peyton Manning played four full years at Tennessee. Tom Brady played a lot of football. Aaron Rodgers played a lot of football. The one common denominator of these guys that are great is they played a lot of football. You got to see how they handled success and failure. They were the quarterback more times than everybody else. I don't just mean the quarterback on Sundays or Saturdays. I mean the quarterback on Tuesdays, on Mondays, after a loss, after a win,

a quarterback in the locker room with a social justice issue. And how do you handle that? A quarterback in the locker room when a domestic abuse issue comes up on your team. A quarterback in the locker room when your coaches are freaking crazy and losing their minds. A quarterback in the locker room when the trainer is a bad trainer. He's throwing guys out on the field too soon and he has to be the guy that's the glue of the team. So it's, you know, you're the CEO of the team. And the more times you are the quarterback, the more times you are the CEO, the better you're going to be at it. And we're drafting Mark Sanchez after

16 starts after he lights it up against Penn State in the Rose Bowl, thinking that he's been the quarterback enough. And he just hadn't been the quarterback enough. And I think that's the one you look at more than anything is how much have they been the quarterback. And that's what I love about this youth grassroots movement is now you're getting guys who are starting their high school as a freshman, sophomore, and they're, they're the quarterback three years in high school. Then they go to college and they play early and they're the quarterback for three years in college. You've been the quarterback a lot.

That's the guy I'm going to, that's the guy I have a, uh, a clear picture of who he is. Now I can say that's a first round or that's the second round or that's a third round or that's a first rounder. That's the second round. That's a third rounder. That's a franchise guy. Like that's a franchise guy. Um, that's the mistake I think I see made more than any other mistake, uh, in the NFL is they just,

the guys drafting don't understand what being the quarterback is and that how important it is to be the quarterback as many times as possible. I'm a big proponent of like, you can't figure it out until you do it. But with how bad this has gone, I might be convinced that, you know, if I were drafting somebody now, I'd make sure I had an Alex Smith. I'd make sure I had a Kitten and an OG, a guy that's been a million different places. Even Alex is a perfect profile of being this top pick and all of this stuff.

Like, it's not working. And I don't like blaming just blaming just hey everyone that picks quarterbacks is an idiot i just think that's an outsider view that somehow makes people feel better about their own evaluations when they're home on saturdays like i don't believe i just think it's you know i think it's part partly just the position and the need and to keep going over and over again but you might you know i don't know i mean shit you know way more than i do hold on please don't misunderstand i'm not saying everybody's an idiot. I'm not saying you're saying that.

I'm saying I see it a lot. Here's the deal. When you're younger, you want to think everybody's an idiot, whether you're in the media or not in the media. You're so convinced that everybody's a fucking moron. And then I don't know. I'll never forget when I ran into Bob Ryan

at a Celtics thing. I'm in my 20s. I'm so full of myself. And I'm like, oh, this guy sucks. What the hell is he doing? And Bob Ryan just looks at me and shrugs. He goes, eh, maybe. And I'm like, what are you talking about? How are you not agreeing with me here?

And I just know because I've been a young guy. You've been a young guy. There's this pissiness towards sports, whether you played it or you didn't, where you want to think that you're right about all of these things. And I think the anti-quarterback thing is, like, it's not wrong to be mad at the front offices here, but to throw all 32 front offices into the same bucket and say they're all just bad and there's this magic formula

nobody's figured out yet, I don't believe in that. Either do I, and parents are the same way. Every parent in their young 30s thinks they have all the answers. And I was the same way. And then you realize when your kids go through puberty and go to high school and leave for college that you really didn't know squat, that a lot of it was just luck, the good stuff you did. So the same thing with sports, parents are the same way. I'll say this, there's a flip side to this too, though. And I've seen this. People are going to say, what about Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning and some of the other ones that started right away

well of course there are I mean that's why people argue but here's the common denominator of them they had super long leashes and they had highly aggressive offensive coordinators that had been there and done it a long time and they sat with those guys and said hey

this is going to be some really hard times but we're going to keep ripping it we're going going to keep going. You're going to make a bunch of mistakes and we're going to learn from them. And by the way, we're not necessarily trying to win right now. We're trying to win the game, but we're really trying to win a Super Bowl three, four years from now. And we're going to give you a really long leash. And we're going to make sure the expectations around here are, we know he's going to make mistakes. He's going to learn from them and we're going to celebrate when he learns from them. And you go back and you talk to some of these guys that did play right away that had the Norv

Turners and who was calling plays for Arians was calling plays for Peyton, I believe, you know, you have these guys are like, Hey, I know how to handle this. I can live with you making some of these mistakes. We as an organization can live with you making some of those mistakes because we know if you continue to be a pro and you learn from them that we have great things coming. I'm cool with that philosophy.

The one I'm not cool with is, oh, he's really good. Yeah, we're going to go win the AFC Western. This guy is a rookie. No, you're not. No, you're not going to go win the AFC West with this guy as a rookie. No, you're not. No, you're not. You know what I mean? It happens every once in a while. You're probably not doing the first three years.

But now the fan base goes, oh, my gosh, we got Joe Schmo, who's got this 94 milk hyper ranking and 97 scouts say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and all these different things that come out. Man, we're going to do it this year. I'm going to drop my fantasy team because everybody says he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and all these other things that come out, man, we're going to do it this year. I'm going to drop my fantasy team because everybody says he's going to be so good. You set that kid up for failure. Okay.

Last thing. I don't know how much you watched of the college stuff this week. So, you know, you tell me whether or not you did. I don't know if I, who's your favorite college quarterback in this group? CJ and Bryce are right there, neck and neck, having them both. Here's what I love about most about both those guys.

How mature they are. They're pros. Like those two are pros. We're, you know, you're with us in LA. I was with them for three days and got to spend a ton of time with them as well as having them elite 11.

And when they're in high school and They're so mature beyond their years. They're so unselfish. I think CJ has the physical frame that you're looking for with an NFL quarterback. The one thing about Bryce that is the unknown is he's 180 pounds soaking wet. I heard a rumor he played 168 pounds last year at one time. I've never seen that work in the NFL. It doesn't mean it can't. He also is as twitchy as they come.

But to me, they're... His composure for Bryce is the thing that just... And he never gets hit. Even every time... He falls away or squirms around and never really takes a shot but either neck and they're both phenomenal they have the stuff like the stuff that i've talked about over the years that's translated when we've seen them at 17 years old and we have a pretty good

hit rate of saying that guy's going to be a pro that guy's going to be a really good pro we even said to some like that guy's going to be unique uh both of those guys feel like they're can't miss guys all right i'm afraid of this it's the last thing i'm gonna ask you i'm afraid of of the answer um because i'm afraid to like detract away from from how special he looked on a saturday and i touched on in the beginning but like we're all jerks about height. What's Stetson Bennett? Because that kid was locked in. Yeah, he's awesome. Stetson Bennett is Chase Daniel.

Did you watch Chase Daniel play in college? Not only did I watch him play, when I watched him live, I turned to McShay and I said, no way. Because there's no way. Because it was that Missouri spread system that didn't look like football like especially back then it was just so weird to see it live the spreads and the sets and then daniel get the snap and it was just like pat pat it was backyard i mean it was unbelievable so i was like oh is this going to translate chase is obviously thicker than stetson is uh yeah stetson's

twitch here um i'm not saying it can't work, but I think he'll be drafted as a backup. Now, he might be able to earn it. He's got some Romo in him. Now, Romo, again, thicker, a little bit taller. Yeah. But who's to say Stetson can't get bigger and thicker, too? You know what I mean?

Now, I'll say this. I've never been... When Stetson was at Elite 11, we did have him. Joey told me this the other day. I think we had him like 27 or 28. He wasn was at Elite 11. We did have him. Joey told me this the other day. I think we had him 27 or 28. He wasn't chopped liver. He wasn't chopped liver. He was one of the better

quarterbacks in the country. There were those things. In fact, everybody remembers his hat was on backwards. Everybody remembers him because he was electric. He's a really good football player. I just know this NFL thing will work. He'll get, because he's not Bryce, right? They'll be the same size, and Bryce will go in the top five,

and Stetson will go back half the second or early third, would be my guess. I was so impressed with him. I was so impressed. Granted, they were smoking Oregon. It didn't matter, but there was something else to his game. It was,

it was just a locked in of like, oh, okay. You're like, all right, you want me to do this? All right. You know,

we're going to do a little of this and then go, you think you figured out. Okay, nevermind. I'm going to go over here. And it's, I mean, Belichick,

I could see Belichick retiring, hoping to just be on Georgia staff because of all those tight ends. Yeah, they're pretty special. I love the kid from Florida, too. Yeah, I talked about him in the beginning, man. Talk about a horse. We had him in Elite 11. You'd want to talk about another C.J. Stroud, Bryce kind of personality,

mature beyond his years, a team guy, one of the favorite guys of all the Elite 11 quarterbacks, just mature beyond his years, a team guy, one of the favorite guys of all the Elite 11 quarterbacks, just mature beyond his years. And nothing's going to faze him. And just arm talent that blows your mind, physical talent blows your mind, and really smart, a really, really fast processor. So I think the ceiling is really high for him too. Thanks, Trent. Every other week, Trent Dilfer

keep crushing at Lipscomb. We'll stay on top of that as well and we'll talk to you again. Thanks, brother. Talk to you. It's one of, it feels like everybody's favorite show when it comes to the NFL. Emmy Award winning Good Morning Football airs Monday through Friday, 7 a.m. Eastern Time on the NFL Network. And joining us now, the newest host, Jamie Erdahl.

What's up? Thanks for doing this. What's up? I'm thrilled. I'm happy to catch up with you. And thank you for having me. So what are we talking? Ten plus years in the business? How did this come together? Yep. So I got my first big TV job, the one that you write home about, in the fall of 2012. So it feels poetic that in the fall of 2012, I was covering high school football in Minnesota. And then I got my big job at Nesson in Boston that fall in November. And I was off and running.

And now 10 years later, I'm hosting Good Morning Football. And it's cool. I've done a lot of stuff in between, a lot of football that made me feel like I was qualified to do it. But until you're sitting in that chair, you don't really realize that everyone else finally thinks you're qualified to do it too, which was a cool feeling. don't really realize that everyone else finally thinks you're qualified to do it too, which was a cool feeling. Now remind me, cause I, I watched a lot of Nesson and I was still, I was gone at that point, but I'd still done some Comcast stuff right up until I think I left. And then, you know, you had done the Bruin stuff. You'd also had Anchor, correct? At Nesson? Yeah. Two years at Nesson. It was a quick two years, pretty much October to October from 12 to 14.

The first six to eight months, I was a utility player, I would say. I mean, I was so new. I was so green. I was covering post-game at Celtics practice. I went to spring training. You know, on Nesson, at least prominently, it's the Red Sox and the Bruins. So I just kind of, I went to, you know, Patriots OTAs and it just was providing content for the shows that were on throughout the day. It was my second year that I became the full blown Bruins reporter and I did 82 plus hockey games. And then, you know, Jenny Dell left.

I really wanted the Red Sox job. I went to Gary Streisky and I was like, I can't, I love hockey. I have a greater appreciation for it now, but I was like, I can't do this. This is not sustainable. I know I'm from Minnesota, but it's not my jam. And kind of lo and behold, CBS came calling kind of under the guise that like you do football, but like, I've always like, love, love, love basketball. I played basketball in college and I just, and so to go somewhere that allowed me to do basketball every day, after coming off of, you know,

10 months of hockey straight, I was like, I'll do anything. I'll go there. So then that's kind of what made me do the switch to CBS. All right, there's a bunch of follow-ups in there because to start, to go from like a high school football to then that same month, Nesson,

and you know, whatever you think about Nesson, it actually feels like a jumping off point for a lot of people in the business, even though it's a major market, um, that had to almost feel fake. I didn't, I had now I'm like,

they hired me to do what? Like I, it's unfathomable to me now to look back at what I was doing. But what happened was I was working high school basketball and football in Minnesota. And the stepfather of a high school basketball star in Minnesota is the Timberwolves. And he watched me work the game for Cable Channel, the one that nobody watches, for high school basketball. And he came up to me after the game and said, you just interviewed my stepson. And here's my card with my boss's name on the back you should contact him and see what you

could do for fox sports north at the time which now is ballet sports you know whatever sure so i did that i followed up with a guy a bunch and he finally listened to me and let me do lynx games the sideline for the wba and then this guy leaves goes to a place that i had never heard of new england sports network and in my mind i'm like shoot i just lost my in at valley sports north at fox sports dang it like i'm not gonna i lost my footing i felt like i was so young to even be doing what i was doing for the wba so he leaves uh i start my high school football season the team goes 0-12. And this guy, I get a phone call from a Boston number from this guy, Joseph Marr. And he says, we're hiring.

I'm hiring at Nesson and I want to fly you out for this audition. So I go and it was like a Hunger Games. Many of us to this day called it the Hunger Games of auditions. Amanda Balionis, names of auditions, Amanda Balionis, Elle Duncan, Jameson Coyle, Leah Hextall, myself, um, we're all in this room and only three of us, Adam Pellerin, Leah Hextall and I got the job, which is ironic because now Amanda Balionis is covering the bleep and master right out loud. And we were all in this room and, um, that was, and I had no concept. I went from 0 and 12 high school football to sitting down with Doc Rivers. And I just was like, cool, great. Let's do it.

I, what? I mean, yeah. Yeah. No, it's almost in a way it's better that you don't realize how nuts it is, you know? Cause you're just like, all right. And later in life, like coming to this job, so many ESPN executives now say like, oh, I used to watch you on Nessun. I had no idea that was going to Bristol.

If I knew, I would have been shaking in my cowboy boots. All right. So first of all, we have to get an NBA or feel free WNBA comp, I don't know, of your game when you played in college. Give us a comp. Well, I always really loved john stockton really loved stockton um but when i was intern at a local station in minnesota they would call me hardaway penny hardaway so i'll go there i was always passed first ever always my dad taught me to play and

he just was not. Almost a detriment. I played on a high school team that the four girls one class ahead of me went on to play division one basketball. My sole job was to get them to fall. I didn't know how to score myself to save my life, but I can pass. I'm a good passer.

I'll say. I don't know that we've ever had a Stockton Hardaway mashup comp before so that's a first for any player and may go in the title of this podcast so all right so now we take it to good morning football because you know I run into all the time the SEC stuff which I do want to ask about at some point but you know the job can be weird you know a lot of times I've heard people you know there's there's a million things we can talk about here as far as like oh this is the right time and all the times where i thought i wanted something so bad and then i didn't get it ended up being the best thing ever that i didn't get

the five things that i wanted before because then they would have gotten in the way of this unbelievable opportunity but you know you're part of the sec coverage it's a big moment it's a big game you know i love that game i would see all the time the sideline and it's almost like covering a team even though you're covering this conference there's an attachment it's a little bit different but now you're you're working for the nfl you're doing the entire league you're doing it every single day like how different not that it's more challenging less challenging but how different is it from like a content standpoint of like this is my home every single morning so um i felt like for the first time in a long time i had to open open the jar back up of like of my opinions because you know i guess i always thought working

for nfl or nfl network that you were you were much more tamped down i guess network that you were, you were much more tamped down, I guess, like that you were informed, like, this is how we say things or whatever. And that I always thought that would be frustrating. I have been pleasantly surprised by the freedom that we are given to in which we are able to speak about topics on good morning football. Good and bad. So coming from game coverage for the SEC on CBS, and even the nfl before that um you just get in a cadence when you're a sideline reporter of just like yeah that might be interesting or that might be a cool story but like it's not making it in when it's third and two and the clock is running down and your producer is just like absolutely not i'm not telling the story about x y and z

there's not enough time you know we got to focus on the game you you are married to the game from a production standpoint you know i would have stories that would lay on the cutting room floor week in and week out and sometimes so frustratingly they would only be pertinent to that matchup for some reason or another and then all of a sudden we're going into overtime and there's no shot to tell that any of those stories were going to make it on either. And that gets old. You know, that gets frustrating that you do all this work leading up to the game. And it's not like I'm Gary Danielson where I just have the headset.

You're just on and you can weave stuff in. You know, it's not that. Like someone has to choose to put the sideline reporter on. You have to sell your stuff to get, You have to earn your way on the air. And you want the game to be fabulous because then more eyeballs are watching it. But oftentimes, that cuts the knees out of the reporter because your really good stuff that you need time to tell that story, that's the first thing to get checked. tell their story gets that's the first thing to get checked so you go to good morning football and i'm listening to peter schrager and i swear the first three weeks of the show schrager would start doing something he would start to tell a story and i like would start to be like you're you're taking a long time like you're you know it was it was ingrained in my head like why are you talking so much this is it's taking so much time and then i never said out loud but

like i just and then all of a sudden i realized we go to a break and we would all get to talk that much and i would be like no one's mad that we just talked for like 11 minutes that's incredible and it's essentially took me like three or four weeks to break that habit of just like wow we really just get we just get to say what we want for as long as we want to say it. No one is in your ear saying rap, rap, move on. And it's just, that has been like the most pleasant surprise to just like the different and the difference in the content. Game reporters are incredible. There's a time and a place and it's an important job. And I think you can get really cool stuff, but then this is really cool too okay i want to go back to that but i i gotta go back to the

sideline thing because you know i have a million friends that have done the sideline gig it is it depends on kind of what you want in life right because some people will be like what are you talking about like kick off hey how's it going halftime this is what's up this dude was hurt out of here see you guys next week. But then at the same time, I feel like anyone that I've been friends with that's done sideline is like, I can't wait to not do sideline anymore. It never feels like anybody like unless you're doing maybe the most marquee matchup the whole time and it's a really good living and it's fun. But I feel like I've never met a sideline reporter that's like, no, I'm good. Like this is what I want to do for 20 years. It just doesn't seem to be that way.

You know, I think it's a double-edged sword of a job because you can be Aaron Andrews, Tracy Wolfson, Lisa Salters. You can be at the top of the top. But I feel like the weight that comes with that of, you know, try to get your best stuff on the air in the NFC Championship in the fourth quarter. That's hard. It's hard to do. You know, the SEC, it almost felt like we had a little bit more wiggle room just because it was our one game that day. You know, and we could kind of like go to break. You go a little bit long or you want to buy some seconds back to tell a story on the back end if you weren't married to like they'll be up one o'clock kickoffs and 4 30 kickoffs and your

interview is going to get cut whatever like that was the show on saturday afternoons so i think you're right though i think because people get mad like just to jump in the not to tell you to wrap but but you know i know as just a, like when I'm just at home watching a game, and I think I can tell you, like I give you scouting report like every single sideline reporter because I'll be like, all right, this one goes too long. This one knows exactly when to like time it perfectly. But I'll like the whole length thing. I'll be like, hey, we've just had three up and down possessions in this NBA game. Time to wrap, you know time and it's and it's really hard because you've worked all maybe you know for a football game it's all week the

production meetings that you're in that I've sat in and you're like we're not going to use 99% of this kind of stuff and for you on the TV side it's far more important than some of the radio stuff we would do on production for like game day but it can be a really thankless part of it and you know if you're driven you you're like, all right, am I making the most, like if I, is this the most efficient use of my time to build my career? Two things. Here's the problem with that stance. Like you very well could say like, hey, I'm great on the air, but like, you're right. I can do my open hit. I can cover some injuries. I can do my interviews and be gone. That sure, that can be a stance that you could take the problem is that if you don't have stuff

ready to go in your suitcase of stories that when it is 42 nothing at halftime at alabama tennessee and the producer is coming to you in the early in the third quarter say what else you got something you want to get on the air then you're kicking yourself because they're asking you to get on the air and you have nothing because you haven't done the work earlier so it's like if you want to get put on the air when it's in the end of the game at texas a&m alabama you gotta have stuff early in the third quarter of a blowout against that like for alabama and it works both ways and again again, I'm glad I never, you know, sure.

Maybe some weeks I was like, well, this is rough or I would go into games and be like, man, I got nothing like for X, Y, or Z. You kind of start,

you know, I think a good size reporter can say a lot with nothing. Um, but I don't think any of that stuff would have helped me if I had kind of been lax, dazeful about it. Wouldn't have gotten me this good morning football job. You know,

what, what was your favorite sec campus? Campus? Like, well, you know, game day experience. Well,

that's a different question. All right. Give us the answers to both. Okay. So can't like full weekend experience. Probably Athens. Game day, it's really hard because on game day, we get escorted in and escorted out. It's like all I really saw was like flying by.

In the stadium then, in the stadium. Oh, that. I wasn't, people are going to think I wanted that answer that I was going at. We did not talk about this ahead of time. Yeah. I wasn't, people are going to think I wanted that answer that I was, I was going that we did not talk about this ahead of time. Yeah, they just, I think LSU has been, you know, they've been through their ups and downs. And so when they are, when they were good, like in 2019, like the people that were there were so appreciative of like just electric football. You know, it's not like Alabama where we're just like, yeah, this is what we expect. Or like Alabama, what was it last year, two years ago,

when they were getting mad at students for leaving in the fourth quarter and they were like getting like attendance points for staying the entire time. It's like, that's how you're taking this grade of football for granted. Like you're leaving because they, you know, you saw what you wanted to see. You know, that's just, that's when you have good football, you're in and you're out. I guess that's what happens. Look,

when Bama has somebody big in there, it's, it's up there. Um, but that's the right answer. And it's, it's not really even a knock on Bama. It's just that you're on a decade long run of entitlement,

uh, deserved entitlement where I remember in some of the game day stops, like game day on the TV thing. Cause you know, for radio, we would be in on like, hey, this is where we're going. This is where we're going.

So we'd be waiting. And then sometimes it almost be like, do we want to go to Bama again next week? Because they didn't even care. I knocked Bama. I knocked Tuscaloosa just for how hard it is to get there. I just can't get on board.

Texas A&M and Alabama, it was hard to go there a lot as much as we did yeah the birmingham to alabama thing but you know the escort thing sort of happened i've gotten stuck on that left lane entry way to the highway leaving leaving campus that's that's a nightmare all right is there what's your favorite i should teach you up on this a little bit more but do you have a favorite sec like story whether it's a coach whether it's chasing down some kind of story like something that you tell your friends about covering that league and and working with those guys um you know it's i think now

especially after six weeks of good morning football it it's hard to, I feel like I'm blurred again by the guys who are like stars in the NFL. It's like, I'm almost having this like, really lovely, like memory relapse of like the guys that I had over the last four years that were in the SEC. So I may be forgetting the story because that guy isn't playing in the league now, but I'm just so these guys are so fresh in my mind. So the two that, just think generally, the two that come to mind are the SEC championship when Tua had taken over for Jalen. They go through the whole season. Tua had come in in the second half of the national championship and it's Tua, Tua, Tua, Tua. Jalen just had to sit there and take it. And then Tua gets hurt. And then Jalen has to come in in the SEC championship interest. And they were down. And they I mean, just I, I commend Jalen Hurts so much for behaving the way he did all season long, being like the quintessential backup for always being prepared.

backup for always being prepared but like it came to play in that moment on the biggest stage in the sec championship and he just came in and they won and saban was teary-eyed after the game and they just were hugging and we were and i was standing there and i just i was just shocked i was just like this this is that was my first season on the on the scc so i didn't even have a great understanding of what that meant historically for jaylen to have been benched sit and then come and win it for them and then to just sit again for the next title game and then go on to oklahoma it just what he has been through to turn into the NFL quarterback that he has turned into, I think, is a tremendous story. Secondly, just the rise of Joe Crow. Watching, because

remember, he was at LSU. It was his second season that he was there, and that was when he became a star. That was when he became the Heisman guy. The year before, I talked to him every week. We had those games, and he was so... He's the same, and I really appreciate that those games and he was so, he's the same.

And I really appreciate that about just stories and guys is that when they say the same and just watching him become Joe Burrow has been really cool because I know it's not like the humble beginnings of Baton Rouge, but like a little bit, the stardom that he has become, it does feel like that now. Yeah. I mean,

cause cause it's easy to forget the first year that he was there. It was like, hey, this guy looks all right. They finally have somebody at the position that they can count on, and then he turns to the number one pick. There's so many. I mean, even Brian Robinson, who, like, man, I wish back to health faster than anybody. Everything that he just, you know, he got shot last week in Washington.

I mean, he waited five years to be the running back at Alabama. He's from Tuscaloosa. His home was hit by the tornadoes that went through Tuscaloosa. He's got four sisters. I mean, his story is just tremendous. And now this to be added to it is just, yeah, it's cool. But it's also hard to watch when things don't go well that's a good transition though into kind of like how that impacts now that you're back on the opinion side because that's what's great about good morning football is that everybody kind of you know you're the main anchor but there's a little like anchoring handoffs at time but it's like make sure everybody gets involved which i think is great and when a show can work that way that's why i always thought like

the fowler game day like fowler could have hung with anyone on any single college football topic by the way Rieskind as well um and knowing when is the host to be like let me play traffic cop here but let me also say hey this is where I disagree with you how much do you like look at somebody who you know to a story as well as anyone sitting at the desk because the background the SEC how much does that impact like your opinion on like what you expect from Tua this year? I have to, you know, once a week, I would say in the first six weeks, I've had a moment that I will turn to Peter or Kyle and just say, like, am I doing too much with the SEC or am I, you know, it's just, they're just everywhere.

The stars are everywhere. And so it's hard for me when we have a segment that's like, you know, who's your best second year tight end? Like one of the guys is going to be an SEC guy. And that's just who I know. And so that's where my brain goes. And they will always have my back. They're just like, no, that's your reference point.

We appreciate your angle on it and what you bring to the table. I also really enjoy listening to their takes on these guys that, you know, they just every, I think what I like about the table is that everybody watches enjoy listening to their takes on these guys that, you know, they just every, I think what I like about the table is that everybody watches it through such different lens. They're, you know, the way Kyle sees stuff is so different than like Peter, kind of like as insider ways and Jason being a former player and then me with my background. And it's just,

I really enjoy listening to them and their angles because it helps me shape my thoughts about it. But also, I've just always appreciated listening to people. I don't vehemently disagree with a lot of people. I just genuinely am like, oh, that's interesting. I never thought of that. Do you think you'll get there? Do you think you'll be like, you know what, guys, I'm just out on this Tua thing. I don't know what you guys see.

Sometimes you just also want to do things that's like good for TV. So like if we're going, if I can see the guys are going like three, like today on the show, we had a question. Is Tom Brady the most fascinating player in the NFL? And they all said like pretty much. Yeah. And I was like, no, it has to be Kyler. As I was kind of working through it, I was like i i'm pretty sure i believe this but like i just had to i had to pick somebody to go in opposite direction like it's not fun if you have like the same so some i'm sure if i really wanted to stamp

my feet about something i could find a topic but also you want to make the tv and just kind of be like let me spin it a different way but the kyler one you know not to back you up here because you're on the podcast i don't think that that's necessarily a bad answer because that was my take which was like tom brady isn't that fascinating you know what you're going to get from him which is nothing i mean he is behind a veil kyler like he has a he has an opportunity here to essentially prove all of these naysayers wrong about his independent study clause situation to represent an entire generation of young players who may say like yeah i like to game yeah i like to whatever i like but i can still go out and be the face of the franchise because

he just got absolutely crapped on also except for the contract which paid him the second most guaranteed money ever so like i felt like okay as mad as you can be about this, I think that part is more important than, hey, does this guy study enough? He didn't even have the money. I know. That's where I was like, wait, social media feels bad for him because this stupid clause, like the contract.

And I would say with Kyler, even though I really like him when he's good, which may sound obvious, to me, that contract is like, I don't, I don't know that. I don't know that another quarterback where it still feels like, is there a slight question mark about Kyler moving forward? You know, in comparison to the other guys have gotten the guaranteed money, whether it's my homes, maybe Alan was a little bit of that.

Not so much the case anymore. Certainly not Russell Wilson. Certainly not Aaron Rogers. The other guys that have made that top money in the past, although golf, I would disagree with, um, Kyler, who I I'm rooting for, I think can be terrific. Uh, the high leverage moments are great when he doesn't have Hopkins there, the numbers bear out that he's not the same guy. But to me, that contract was a massive, massive commitment to somebody that maybe isn't as a certain as a quarterback as some of those other guys

that have made that kind of money. Now he's surpassed them. I felt like, hey, that's the most important part, but that's not how it plays out. Which is why it's so fascinating. There you go. Not the most fascinating guy. Tom Brady is. Did you do your Super Bowl picks? Are you saving those? I have done

them. They are being disclosed on Thursday. Or Friday.osed on Thursday or Friday. Thursday. Thursday. Prediction week. I've never had to. And frankly, I don't think as technically as a member of the seat as a reporter, I was supposed to ever put that out there. So this has been drummed up.

Kyle Brandt is making me feel like this is going to be the third child that I give birth to. It's intense, and you want to have it right. You've got to overthink and think about it some more. Tomorrow, we're doing our divisional winners. Then as the week goes on, I have a poster board happening. It feels

intense. Okay, final thought then, because now you can't share. This is a big reveal on Good Morning Football, so we don't want to get in the way. Yep. My scouting reports say that Kyle's kind of like the rock and roll hot boy, but that long-term Schrager feels like more steady husband material. I know you're married, so it's not relevant to you, but just if your friends were to ask about them personality-wise,

do you think that that's a fair assessment based on my intel i think kyle is more of a steady eddie that he likes to portray oh wow i think i think you're spot on with peter here is like tremendously deep and thoughtful. So Kyle's vapid and empty? No. Oh. Kyle has those things too. He just does it.

He's not as upfront about them. Okay. I think Kyle likes to show you the flashy and the fast talking and the ideas and the creative, but he has that side of him. Does that make sense? It does. I'm just messing with both guys here on the way out as, as you could. I had to really think about that. And Jason.

Yeah. McCourty part of the team. There's nothing wrong with Jason McCourty. And I mean, the man did a show. That's quite a compliment. He did the appendix on TV. I've seen that happen to another anchor. He's like, man, I had some bad fish or something. It's like, no, you're appendix person. Yeah. He did the show Tuesday on tv i've seen that happen to another anchor he's like man i had some bad fish or something it's like no you're appendix person yeah he did the show tuesday he texted us our pleasure i don't feel great he looked good all the whole show he did the show tuesday and then tuesday night appendix out and he came back monday no days off that's a patriot way um jamie you're terrific. I'm a huge fan. You know that.

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There you go. Life advice rr at gmail dot com. Don't love the way that I did that. Shout out to Kyle. Happy Labor Day, but put in that labor on a Monday. Shout out to anyone giving birth today as well. What's up, Saruti? Giving birth on Labor Day. That sounds pretty appropriate. Kyle got a day off yesterday, though, so hopefully he had a nice day. How was your Sunday? Did you get after it? it it was great i found out that the um la times went to frolic room asking about our our friend super bowl heist guy he's now missed his court date everything's back up in flames we're all like the guys on the run so um yeah it was a good catch-up media day with uh with the boys down at the frog room i know i was just reading uh i'm reading pioneers by mccullough right now and there was this guy play fair who was over in france selling french people on the the eden known as the ohio

valley and yeah he was basically like bountiful you know he's like it doesn't even get that cold so people started buying up all these shares and plots of land and then they got on these boats that were apparently chartered by this company uh which is not the part of the original group that left boston but there was this like off-brand version of it and this guy went with another partner and they like okayed it so they had all they took like the original paperwork and then like drew in pictures of like a ton of animals and rainbows and shit and so all these french people's just buying them up even kids uh buying up plots of land or whatever 600 people they land in virginia and they're like yeah we don't have your we don't have your property like what are you talking about you have a plot of land like who'd you give your money to and they're like this guy play fair

and that guy disappeared it's a little history lesson for you there before we uh before we start changing lives kyle wants to go quicker today and he's right because today's podcast is long so let's just do one thing here that I thought was important because normally we dismiss these all the time. 42, 511, 200, bench 285, squat 350-ish, who cares? Everyone does, bro. Just listened, enjoyed your most recent podcast and noticed both Steve and Ryan used the term over your skis. I've also heard Colin Cowherd using it recently in the same context as an ex-ski racer from 5 to 25 years old including a few years on the World Cup

and coach of the women's Olympics team for 5 years and currently a business partner with some guys who own do we give him the shout out? Sure, I think he wants it. That own International Ski Academy, shout out to ISAR or ISra not to be confused

sorry i believe the way the term is being used is incorrect in regard to being out of control or over your head as an athlete or coach you want to be out over your skis it means you're in the correct position to be strong and push against the forces literally the most used term while coaching a skier some version of move forward, get forward, stay connected while driving forward, all in attempts to get over your skis. Anyway, I thought I'd throw in my two cents.

Well-intentioned listener. I will tell you 99.9% of the time I get emails like this, I read it and go, fuck off. And then we don't read them on the air. I think this guy's right. Because we use it as above the rim, outkicking your that is like hey i am this but in this case i've heard it so much that i just started using it we've applied it to some version of like dating somebody that's more attractive than you are you know usually it's attraction nobody's like hey she's not that

great looking but she's so cool and down to earth he's way above the rim nobody does it that way um i guess the out over your skis is always used a little bit as a negative observation of something when this guy's telling us from the ski world that i don't understand as much i think he might be right here that's why i read i thought it was important for everybody i mean is that it i would i would assume that you know yeah you're supposed to be slightly ahead of your skis in a good stance I would assume that this means that you're further than further ahead than you should be that's the whole point of this like you're doing something wrong but yeah but he's I think we as non-skiers look at ski jumping being like oh that guy was way out in front of his skis and now when I think about when I watch it, like you want to be out over your skis.

Or is somebody, is it we're going to have a ski jumper email us this week saying, actually, that's what I'm afraid of now. No, I know. But in his defense, it actually it actually is pretty hard to get too far ahead of your skis, though, right? Because if you bend over, it's not like you could just fall flat on your face

on your skis. That's what that, they're long. So yeah, you know, that's what that they're long. So yeah, you know, he might be right. This is getting real money and you can't even try to say it the right way. Cause then people can be like, what are you talking about? Because then you got to be like, no, actually you have to keep this guy spiel in your back pocket and explain it. Cause you can't even try to use it the correct way that this guy's telling us

without confusing everyone. So it either has to be like a dead phrase or, or we're just going to keep on doing it how we've been doing it i think i guess the other part of this could be he's looking at from such a technical standpoint that maybe the community at large uses the reference doesn't one doesn't care about that and they're just saying hey think of it this way you're out you're skiing you're taking a lesson you're out of your skis you fall forward so that's where it became negative i don't know know. Just think it out loud. I feel like we've already covered enough of this.

So let's just keep it moving. Okay. Asshole sauna guy. That sounds like a Craigslist thing. All right. We'll keep trying here. 6'1", 210, lost 20 pounds. I started going to the gym and eating right three months ago.

Congrats, man. Backstory. I listen to a lot of stuff on sauna. In the sauna? I think he means in the man. Backstory. I listen to a lot of stuff on sauna. In the sauna? I think he means in the sauna. Backstory. I've listened to a lot of stuff in the sauna. I've been doing that semi-regularly now for almost a year, four to seven times a week for 20, 25 minutes. This guy's hitting the sauna 20, 25 minutes, sometimes seven days a week, Kyle. Wow. That's a lot. All right. I'm following the same email train of thought as the gym guy from a few weeks ago that was

pissed at the guy for asking him to come get him when he was done with the squat rack. And I'm writing this email 10 minutes after the fact while I'm still pissed. I'm 15 minutes into the sauna. It's starting to get tough like it always does. Accelerated heart rate, breathing. My gym sauna goes to 200 degrees, so it's always hard toward the end. I don't do a lot of sauna. When I do it, I'm like, hey, do I not do

this enough or do I do it zero times and that's the right number? If it makes you feel better, it's not heroin, I say go for it. All right. He said a dude walks in with his phone and starts watching

TikTok with the volume up. This seems like a huge asshole move, particularly following the Russillo school of thought, quote, if everyone did it, it wouldn't work. It's a great theory. This dude oozes, quote, just going to be in here. Oh, wait, he says, just going to be here

five, in here for five minutes to get a sweat out, which anyone with a fucking brain knows doesn't work. Uh-oh. But that's why he's okay having his phone in the sauna anyway. I was so pissed. I almost said something to him. I even thought about turning on my music just to prove a point, but decided if the dude was the wrong sort,

I didn't want to end up coming to blows in a sauna after already doing it for 20 minutes. That's a good point. I don't think I'd want to fight after being in a sauna for 20 minutes. If it happens again, though, am I justified for going decibel for decibel with him on my phone as well? Just to prove a point, or should I just let it go and let him continue to watch other assholes on TikTok humble brag about how they're giving away their designer clothes to the less fortunate? I'm not.

Is that happening on TikTok a lot? I don't know. I'm not on there, but I imagine he had overheard that probably in his sauna. Yeah, that doesn't sound like good content. It sounds out of the specific. The reason we read this one, Kyle, I love this move. First of all, I don't know why you'd want your phone in the sauna for like 20 to 30 minutes,

but maybe there's something there that I don't understand, so we'll just keep it moving here. I think you're totally right. I love this, and I think people should listen to this and be encouraged to do that because it's perfect you know like we say uh the Rosillo theory of many like if everybody brought their JBL speaker to the gym to listen to out loud music the gym would suck so like the one guy that does it he's over in his corner kind of thinking like hey they make these things called earbuds you see them

everywhere there's tons of options you could do that And then he's thinking like, no, you've decided that you're better than the rest of us so that you're going to go ahead and do outside speaker guy while you're inside of the gym. So I love this move. I think you probably should have done it then unless it sounds like you think he was a little bit bigger than you and you've been trimming down. Maybe you're faster now. Who knows? I don't think this is wrong versus wrong. I think this is just you deciding, hey, all right, cool. You're going to play videos on your phone the whole time? I'm going to throw in some Allman Brothers while we sweat it out together. And now we're both going to not enjoy the time. I like it.

I think that's great. Or you could just make some annoying small talk was the other thing if you didn't have your phone in there you should be like oh man it's getting real hot out just you could just you know you could just make it so he's you could do better than that i know i well i'm not very good at small talk like your chain ever itch and then like stick your hand in your towel just stare at him just look right at him like do you do you ever do you deal with that man mine's hot or cold like you know i don't i'm pretty sure it's not contagious yeah i was sitting there earlier i was getting too hot i had to move over to this side might just be that spot but i don't know yeah

maybe not just start reading the paper like what what business are you in that's a little less aggressive maybe you should be that annoying neighbor guy from the you know from the couple emails ago or he's just telling you like how to do shit at this house be like hey you ever try to fix your you know your carbonator or like you know what you know about siding teach him a breathing exercise for the sauna be like you gotta go real fast when you're breathing there you in the uh you in the vinyl game yeah what no uh that is funny though because um i'm typically so anti guy as most people should be playing your music or whatever out loud to everybody else like whether it's like a car in a neighborhood and this guy's blast music

or quick story like maddie and i were at a beach couple like a couple weeks ago or so and this couple is they had they brought their speaker and they're just like blaring their speaker and we both looked at each other like this asshole like this sucks but after like 10-15 minutes we both kind of looked at each other like actually he's playing some good music so i don't kind of hate it it was like a decent vibe so like usually i am very anti but it was like in that situation where i was like oh actually now this guy's like, you have to, you have to do something that is good for the community. And you watching tick.

My point is you watching tick tock videos by yourself is not good for the community. So you cannot do that. Yeah. The tick tock anywhere is, is weird. We were at a, a,

a campfire, beautiful campfire that we made. There was like, I don't know, 15, 20 people. And there's this like old guy watching videos just laughing to himself out loud we're like we're like out in nature the stars are out we're like

we're not even playing music or anything i don't think and he's just he's just like scrolling through i think it was tiktok and it's just you the annoying you know jump into some sort of music thing and then go into some sort of whatever it's like people it's just like what we're all here we're just looking at him we're like what are you doing man so i mean that guy got called out but um yeah i think it's totally it's totally you're you're not weird for thinking that's like one of the worst things you could do socially i think it's i think it's uh tough so the other day like i'm you know again another reason being single is anytime you need breakfast at a packed breakfast spot you just sit at the counter it's an unbelievable love sit at the

counter there's always one spot open it's great so i go to a regular spot sit at the counter and the woman next to me is playing youtube videos while she's eating the phone is down to her left she's eating no and i'm like and i'm reading you know whatever that day and i'm thinking to myself you're gonna be fucking kidding me like how, how long is this going to go on? What was she watching? Did you make it out? Like, prayer stuff. It was awful.

And it wasn't Sunday. Musical prayer stuff? It was brutal. And then when the next one closed out, I was like, oh, we're done. I'm like, no, we're not. This is a playlist. So then I was like, am, we're done. I'm like, no, we're not. This is a playlist. So then I was like, am I going to say something? I was like, she's old. Were other people looking at like the bartender kind of looking at you?

Like what's going on? She was with somebody that was with her who thought it was cool, too. And then I was like off to the side. So then there was nothing off to the left of the side. And people serving were just in and out. So they weren't really picking up on it. It was brutal. It was brutal.

But she was old. And I got my food. and then she turned to me she was like boy that looks good she's like i hope you're having a great day and i was like fuck damn it you're nice too come on and you're nice i was like i was until your shit content started filtering into my zone you're right man do something about this you can't let him get away with this uh yeah i don't know i mean again not afraid of confrontation with that one age female part of it i was like you know what i'm not i'm not on the slide and thing is after a while it's kind of you know it's like i don't get mad about like when when there's a baby crying on a plane and you see the guy be like,

Oh, like that's not going to make it better, man. Yeah. Yeah. You know, who feels worse than you do? The parents,

who's baby is screaming and they know that they're inconveniencing everybody else. I, I, that actually, I would die on that Hill. It's, it's way worse for the parents than it is for anybody else on the plane.

Yeah. Right. Right. And usually I've also noticed this a little bit more. It usually does stop because the kid just exhausts himself. You don't need to send us an email about the time it happened for five straight hours. I'm aware there are exceptions. Okay, last one.

This one is so controversial. Kyle was like, do we even read this one? I don't even know if this is a life advice, but it's bad. It says, punchable face is the headline. A guy checking in, 6'1", 45. Scrawny climber kid working on my squats and cultivating mass. Sounds like

you're working a little bit harder. Yesterday I made the mistake of watching life advice on the YouTube channel. We do have a YouTube channel. And now I can't get over the fact that Sir Rudy, sir rudy sir rudy looks like a douche what yeah i expected him to be someone who looks approachable and friendly from the way he

speaks i always assumed he had glasses or at the very least a less defined jawline what i saw yesterday shadow that image between the backwards cap and the horizontal striped t never a good call he looks like a guy who can't believe everybody in America didn't grow up playing lacrosse. Well, I actually hate lacrosse too. I know. I now see him as the same light as a SIGGAP pledge as first sorority mixer.

Well, it depends on which house, which SIG, which, which SIGGAP. Yeah. You know, not every fraternity could be the same in name not the same vibe necessarily campus to campus what sucks is that the guy gives great advice with the exception of a few instances i think his takes dive to the heart of the issue going forward i want to keep listening but i don't know how i can take his

words seriously anymore how should someone react when the person they see or meet for the first time doesn't match their expectations? So you look like a douche with a punchable face that loves lacks and went to SIGGAP or part of SIGGAP. Well, here's the thing I got whenever those videos come out and I don't know if I just look completely different than what my voice sounds or maybe it's the Suruti thing and people,

cause people love to throw that around as well. But I do get a lot of like holy shit that's what Cerruti looks like and like I'm not you know I'm sure it's happened to you Kyle but I don't think it happens as much like do I look weirdly different than what I sound like I don't think I mean the backwards hat thing I wear a backwards hat

because I got long hair now I'm gonna I'm gonna actually cut it shortly because I'm kind of tired of it I wouldn't I think it's great and I and I wear it out I wear the hat because I just kind of don't it. I wouldn't. I think it's great. I wear the hat because I just kind of don't want to do my hair when we do the pod. So I just throw a hat on. I'm not usually a backwards hat guy. It just kind of is a phase and it will be ending shortly. I understand why

the lacrosse aesthetic, like I'm looking at myself right now on the Zoom and I'm like, yeah, I get that. Even though I actually really don't like lacrosse at all. And I did not grow up in like the country club vibe douchebag kind of thing. Dad was an HVAC. I know. I know. Yeah, mean yeah my dad is you know i feel like i'm somewhat of a salt student guy like i had a pretty good upbringing but i don't feel like i'm you know i was there was no like silver spoon here so i don't pell grants a couple pell grants in there

no maybe a couple scollies you know not a big deal uh no pell grants though but i will say do i look that different than what my voice sounds like? Multiple people have said this and comment on my appearance every time a video goes up on YouTube or on Twitter. How are you supposed to know that? It's like I can't say that because I know what you look like. I don't think I really knew what you sounded like before I knew what you look like. So that's hard. I think it's just so what?

You got a handsome face and you got a lot of hats. I mean, it seems like a lazy comparison for this guy to be like lax bro what because you because you have a little bit of hang time and your hat is backwards instead of forwards yeah come on i think that's i did have a guy i did have a guy compliment he said i had great eyelashes on one of the videos so thanks to that guy i don't know your handle but appreciate that so there are some compliments thrown in there too but there are a lot of like that's holy shit that's what sruti looks like and i've just never understood what what i'm supposed to look like. Alright, well first of all, this is just what happens.

The first time they started simulcasting SVP and Russillo, where it was just SVP, I went through the exact same thing. I even had people being like, wait, Russillo's white? Tate Fraser had that for a while. That was funny. It wasn't

most of the responses but there was it would happen and van pelt would just start dying laughing that went on for months when we first started being on tv so there was that and it just was like oh i didn't expect because think of it it's it's like reading a book and not knowing the place they're describing and then every person that reads that book has a different interpretation of what the pages are describing. And then if you were to see the place,

if it really exists, then you go look at it, every person is going to go, oh, this is different than I thought. So it's the exact same thing for anybody that's been talking for a while. Then all of a sudden, years of building up a perception

of what that person looks like, there's no way it's going to match anyone. No one's ever going to it's never going to match it's not going to match so you are now with the exposure dealing with people for the first time really the sorority sorority thing is still weird to me that this has gone on for 10 years that i just don't know that like don't you think if we had a guy with a knight hood in his title we would address that a few more times than zero no i had a guy recently that was just like i just thought i missed like an inside joke on a previous episode or something he's like i'm a consistent listener i've been listening since you know the espn days and i just thought i missed something and i'm like yeah i don't i don't know

why the fuck are we putting the credits in these episodes now if you're not even going to bother that's true too why the fuck are we doing that but kyle you get you get a lot of like i can't believe that's what kyle looks like and i'm like what did you think kyle looked like yeah i look at no i got nothing to say i don't know it is what i've been waking up with this face to all the every day so i don't know sometimes a little fuller sometimes it's a little slimmer but yeah it's about the face it's the face i got so i don't know you look slim today yeah well i've been i've been outside a lot real hydrated yesterday nice so let's take care of yourself you know the only the only thing i've ever like made an assumption about cerudia on was was his voice not his looks when he said he used to chirp guys in

college i was like you have the voice of a guy who i think chirped guys in college on your way out of a bar or a stadium i could totally see that but other than yeah i don't judge anything about you i think i've admitted that i know but i can't think that i'm wrong i could think about yeah see you later jackass or something like that i could see you on your way out of a building i don't know that's the only thing about you i would ever assume i gotta admit as you just said sruti and you're my guy so like i'll have your back no matter what you say more shit that would make me want to punch you than any way you ever look. Like what?

No, the chirp thing. Knowing that whenever I would think of that, and I'd be like, dude, I would open hand slap you if I were another guy in college. Be like, why am I going to let you chirp me? No offense, I wouldn't actually do it to you now, but I'm just saying for someone to listen to you versus see you, think you've probably said a few because you're

not afraid that i would think over the course of time of talking that there'd be a few more moments where somebody'd be like oh whatever like i can't believe you said that which is just part of the gig like at some point i'm gonna say stuff that you're just like oh i don't i disagree with that it's whether or not you're gonna just sign off for the rest of it or not which i always think it's a little weird it's like i listened to you for 10 not you're going to just sign off for the rest of it or not, which I always think is a little weird. It's like, I listened to you for 10 years. You're my favorite guy ever. But you said that one thing about the Milwaukee Bucks.

Fuck you. And you're like, all right, well, that's a pretty tough standard to follow. I'm just saying, I think there's a tendency when you revisit things, but again, maybe it's the same thing for me, is that I think you could potentially be perceived as sounding more punky than looking more punky. That was what I was. That's what I think.

That's what I was driving at. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I basically said you're good looking, but you're a shithead. Yeah, yeah. Don't just it's OK. You can be jealous. No, but in your conversation with Dilfer, though, and when you said about like a younger dude, just like they and your conversation with Bob Ryan and like, how could you not

think that this guy sucks or something like that? Bob's just like, yeah, I don't know, whatever, we'll see. Like I've kind of made that transition life. Younger me, I had defined takes on literally anything. Like you threw anything at me and I would have a take on it. Now, and that's why I would be a little bit mouthy and like, you know, especially in college,

like I'm competitive, I'm a little bit cocky. Now I just don't give a shit about most things. So like I've made that transition to maybe semi-old guy, and it's awesome, but that's probably why I would get myself in trouble because somebody would do something. I remember this time when I went to a different college,

and this guy was wearing an Ohio State hoodie. I hate Ohio State. I still don't like Ohio State to this day, but whatever. It's neither here nor there. I was like, dude, sick. Ohio State hoodie loser or something like that. It's just like a... In in my defense the guy also sucked but he had the ohio state hoodie and that just put it over the top that shit i would say back in the day i would never do that now i feel like i've learned my lesson like but every young i feel like all a lot of young guys go through their like cocky mouthy stage and i'm and i'm i'm better for it oh yeah i could honestly say like it's it's cool if you never go through that stage.

But going through that stage and then getting out of it can be just as valuable as never going through it. All I'm picturing is, like, Cerruti at college with, like, a white claw in his hand going, dude, Suez Canal, not deep enough. And just not debating it. He'd be like, hey, what are you guys talking about? Like, whatever, dude. Good luck on Wall Street. China's going to be a reserve currency. Yeah, I would argue, like,

what the best dynasty in the history of civilization is. I mean, that would... And I would, like, be pissed off about why someone would disagree with me on that. Dude, Genghis doesn't get enough credit. One guy once told me... Efficiency-wise?

Somebody... I think I told this story in the pod. Somebody once told me that he didn't like Brendan Shanahan. And I got, like, really pissed off about it in college. I'm like, how... We were great.

Brendan Shanahan? How dare you disrespect his name? And stuff like that. Now, I'm just like, I don't really care. I always tell my wife, too. I'm like, it's probably good you didn't meet me in college. Well, you're married and you're about to have a kid. So Brendan Shanahan arguments aren't nearly as important.

No, but I always tell her, it's probably good we didn't meet in college. Not that, I don't know. I was just a little bit more abrasive. And now, I just don't really give a shit about stuff anymore. So I appreciate that guy saying I give out good advice though. Thank you. Brandon Shanahan.

Six years older than me. Jeez. All right. That's life advice. Thank you to Rudy. Thanks to Kyle. Long pod today. What do we have Wednesday?

Kevin Clark. Oh, that's right. Kevin Clark. Tears. Yeah, we're going to do tears. We'll do to do Tears. We're going to do a little F1. Man, I would hate to be a Ferrari fan right now. Oh, the worst. Rick Carson. Talk to you Wednesday. Outro Music