The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Tua’s Future, Jason Kelce on Retirement and Being Media Guy, and Ohio State Coach Ryan Day

Episode Date: September 13, 2024

Russillo starts the show by sharing his thoughts on Tua’s latest injury (0:44). Then, he’s joined by Jason Kelce to discuss his retirement, his transition to joining the media, and educating the audience on being an offensive lineman (12:41). Next, Ohio State head coach Ryan Day comes on to talk about dealing with pressure, the transfer portal, and his relationship with Chip Kelly (37:12). Plus, another Alliance bet and Life Advice with Kyle and Ceruti (66:50)! How do I become Kyle? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Jason Kelce and Ryan Day Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill's win and Tua is out. That's really the major headline. So we'll discuss his history and what's next. We've got Jason Kelsey on retirement and being busy and the Eagles and offensive line stuff that I'm trying to get better at. And Ryan Day, so an awesome show today, the head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes on another year, expectations and bringing in Chip Kelly and how they want to recruit at Ohio State. We've got the Alliance and life advice. It's the Ryan Rosilla podcast presented by FanDuel.

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quick thoughts. So Bills win 31-10, not much of a game. 24-10, third and five, Miami has the football at their own 30. A terrible decision by two, throws the pick six to Jamarcus Ingram, game's over from Buffalo. Ingram wasn't really supposed to even be a major factor. Both sides dealt with injuries. Clearly, again, I get to the two apart here.

Ingram only played on 30% of the snaps. Looking at the line going in, Miami favored by two and a half. I wondered if it was impacted at all by Alan's left hand, which he hurt on that touchdown run where he basically elbow dropped his own hand into the end zone. And you could tell post celebration, we had mentioned this on Monday's pod. You could just see immediately like, I'm going to celebrate this big touchdown, but man, something hurts. And so he's got this thick, almost like motocross glove on his left hand.

And then the middle two fingers are taped together. So you would wonder how that would impact them. And it didn't matter at all. Alan threw six pass attempts in the second half. They didn't need him. Bill's rushing attack was terrific in the first half, eight yards per carry. It actually felt like Miami moved the football throughout the night, which is the frustrating part of how things played out. And again, there's a lot that's really frustrating about this for Dolphins fans.

Um, the reason I feel like they moved the football is because they did. I mean, 351 total yards, but they were one of five on fourth downs and they had the three interceptions and it also felt like within the flow of the game, they did, I mean, 351 total yards, but they were one of five on four downs and they had the three interceptions. And it also felt like within the flow of the game, when they needed that big play, and I'm not talking about yardage and a deep shot, I'm just talking about like the play that gets them seven, the play that extends the drive, that they would move the ball a little bit, A-chan I thought was terrific, with their running back

shuffle, I mean, Miami is a talented football team and yet when they really needed it to matter, it didn't happen. On the three interceptions, the first one was a tip ball completely on the receiver, not to his fault. The second interception where he throws it over the head of Chosen, originally I thought it was a bad ball, looked at it again this morning.

It may have been a bad route. I don't know. You can find strong arguments for both one. The third one is inexcusable. It's Will Leves stuff. You can't in that spot. I mean, forget score, forget down a distance. I mean, he's just trying to throw it off to the left side, like blindly.

And Ingram runs it back for a second pick of the game. So Tua actually, even though we could, the first pick is not on him. The second one, I guess can be debated a bit. Uh, he wasn't great last night. He airmailed the throat. It was left. That was just like when an NFL quarterback, like one that's good to really good. When they airmail something, it, it always feels like it stands out a little bit more to me.

He had a throw in the end zone where he missed a touchdown. And as much as the concussion from last night sucks, you know, what he was trying to do down 31-10 is give his team any chance at hope. I mean, that was a, a, that was a football player trying to find anything that could happen on fourth and four. They're at the bills 13. He scrambles up. He's got the first down.

He collides into Damar Hamlin who's upright to his head gets just turned one side. And as soon as he's down, his arm is up and you're watching it at home going on. Now like this, we've seen this one before the irony part of the Damar And as soon as he's down, his arm is up and you're watching it at home going on now. Like this, we've seen this one before the irony part of the Demar Hamlin storyline. I wondered if they would bring it up. Al Michaels did bring it up. And by the way, everybody was all over it to his history with concussions. So go back to 22. He had one week three against the bills and then was cleared four days later.

And there was a lot of talk about this at the time because there's this process that you have to go through to be cleared. And there's also an independent neurologist and we all know what happened. Thursday night football four days later against Cincinnati, he's smashed to the ground and then he's in the fencing pose. And, and now it's like, I can't believe this guy was clear. I believe the union pushed to have that neurologist fired. Um, and it may be easy to kind of forget too, because that hit was so awful to watch that remember he had concussion symptoms. That was the quote from Miami. that hit was so awful to watch that remember he had concussion symptoms.

That was the quote from Miami during the week 16 green Bay game. And he didn't play in week 17, week 18. And then ultimately, as we know, like Miami had backups in a quarterback for their playoff loss. So going into 23, by the way, he had another one at Bama too. So going into 23, by the way, he had another one at Bama too. So going into 23, 2 was doing interviews, I think it was with Levitard where they got the great answer from where he had talked pretty openly about how he considered retiring and it wasn't so much him wanting to do it, it was his mother, but then he got into a different kind of off season regimen.

He said he had bulked up, he had taken Jiu-Jitsu and that was also helping him learn how to fall. Like I hear that a lot with guys. And by the way, martial arts all for it. But you know, you can practice all sorts of stuff. But when somebody who's a lot bigger and stronger than you smashes into you, I don't really know. I don't know what kind of stuff you can do. You can talk about getting stronger and your core and all these different things, but when you're a smaller quarterback, you're just more susceptible to this stuff. So last night turned into retirement talk for two of them because clearly he's going to

get all of his money and it's a lot if he doesn't want to play again. Dez Bryant chimed in, Shannon Sharp, a lot of content this week. Mitchell Schwartz, our buddy, was thoughtful in the way that he was like, the moment, essentially today you may think that coming back to football is your priority, but like anything anything youth versus becoming old and just thinking back to how little you cared about some of the decisions you were making and then maybe having regrets later on in life, right? Um, AB got in there when he wasn't talking about female preparation of political candidates.

He then throws us a tease and peas after about seven jokes on Tua. So, and this is the part where I feel bad about how Tua will be talked about. Like I'll feel bad for Tua because generally history tells us that he'll be cleared and he'll probably play football again. And if Tua wants to come back and play football, should all of us come back and play football should all of us tell him that he should.

I don't really feel like it's a zag. It just, like it sucks enough for what two is going through. And then it's not like he's gonna go get released from the hospital. Be like, all right, time to check my mentions. You know, I don't think he would want to do that, but I've always have a problem with just the masses moving in one direction where everybody's just decided on a Thursday night that tuition never played football again. And maybe, by the way, maybe everybody's right.

And maybe the former players, the people that did it, the know how they feel post playing, maybe they're all right. And I'm wrong for having any hope that he would play football again. So I'm always going to have a problem with that. It's also the prime time part of it. Last night's game, the other game two years ago, everybody's watching it. We know the history. Uh, I do think, and I've said this before that because of the success of Drew

Brees as a smaller quarterback, because of the success of Drew Brees as a smaller quarterback, because of the success of Russell Wilson, a smaller quarterback, but I always felt like Russell's body type was more prepared. I just felt like he was a thicker guy, that baseball core that allowed him and he was just so athletic that, that maybe he was going to hold up a little bit better than some of the other smaller quarterbacks. But I feel like that is influence for an office is to just think anybody that's small now can come into the league and play. And some guys height and weight can be the same, but it doesn't mean they have the same bodies. Like Bryce just looks incredibly small. And we already knew that all last year.

And I don't know if it's the only reason he's played so poorly. Who was rookie year in week one. Kyler is probably has the arm talent of anyone in the league. When I watched that Bills game, barely getting touched, falling down, I'm always worried he's going to be hurt again. And Jayden Daniels is 63210, but he's skinny. Washington ran a keeper with him where they ran like power week one. And meanwhile, he's running around all over the place.

I can't slide. I'm like, now you guys are running like a power QB keeper where he's just going to run into all these people. And Jalen hurts is different because we know that he squats. If you watch a football game without Jalen hurts squat footage, have you watched a football game? But even he got dinged up a couple of times last year. So yeah, I, I think any of us that watch this game every weekend have a lot of sympathy for Tua, but this is going to be, I would imagine a probably pretty predictable timeline of him getting cleared and then coming back.

And then what happens? Like, are you going to think that he should never play again? Maybe some of you do. I'm sure some of you do. I know some of you do, and maybe you're right with this, but I guess I always feel like I always will push back a little bit on that if the player decides. I want to try to go back out there and maybe I'm totally wrong. So the bill's now one 12 or 13 against the dolphins. Alan against the blitz this season is nine of 11 with three touchdowns. And it didn't even matter with the hand thing. Cause I think the hand thing is still something you're going to be thinking about, but it was just a complete non-factor because of the turnovers

and domination. And again, I just thought that. I think Cook is one of the most underrated running backs in the NFL. Um, some other good notes here from Buffalo, Um, some other good notes here from Buffalo, Vaughn Miller, his fastest pressure numbers since the 21 season, his win rate so far this season is at 33%. It was 15% last year. I don't know if Vaughn Miller at this stage of his career is going to be able to keep up that kind of pace. I doubt it, but I loved what they told us during the broadcast and And that Miller goes at this stage of my life, just got to get there. I can't be sitting here trying to fight with these 300 pound plus tackles, you know, as an older player, like just try to find a way to get there as quick as I possibly can.

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This is exciting. I think the last time I got to see him or spend a long time with him, there was a couple brief encounters. Jason Kelsey was with Chris Long back on his podcast who joins us on behalf of Kingsford and a part of ESPN's Monday night countdown crew. What's up, man? Good to see you. What's up?

How are you doing, Russell? Good to see you again. I'm good. I'm sure you've already been asked the same question a million different versions. And I actually love the GQ thing that you did because the headline was perfect. It's like, who becomes more famous once they're done playing professional sports?

But you have, whatever the comps were, you have destroyed the comps. What has this been like? What's the most real way you can talk about the craziness of what your life is now? I don't know. It's hard to... It's happened fast, but it's also been kind of gradual. I don't really know how to explain it. I mean, the biggest thing is it's just been crazy. There's a perfect storm of my brother and I start this podcast and then that's having success. And then we just so happened the first year of that to make it to the Super Bowl. And then that puts it on a whole other platform.

And then my mom's out there. And then all of a sudden, my brother starts dating the most famous person probably in the entire world. And so that's putting our family out to any of them, another demographic of people. So all of these things happening have just led to just this insane, I guess, appetite for information and news involving my family. And it's been interesting. It's been great in a lot of ways and also kind of intrusive, to say the least, in others. But I think for the most part, it's been great.

Yeah. What I do think works, and I mean this not that we're super close, but I have enough friends that are friends with you that have been raving about you for years. And I think the Amazon part of it too, of getting the chance for us to peek into your life is that what's working is that it's so genuine. And I think the Amazon part of it too, of getting the chance for us to peek into your life is that what's working is that it's so genuine. Like sure, there's the brother side of it, but there's a part of it with you

where it's almost hard to be the humble old lineman because everybody just assumes all this, but once we actually like get to know you a little bit more intimately, I think that's where it's like, hey, I'm rooting for this kind of person. And I think that's what's clicked for you. Well, I appreciate it.

I mean, I'm trying to remain that way. Yeah, I think trying to just be myself is what I'm always trying to do. And the offensive line position by nature, I think you can't survive, it's hard to survive as an offensive lineman if you do take yourself way too seriously and you're like this larger than life like. You know i think that for the most part the offensive lineroom will do a really good job of humbling you if you get a little bit too big for your britches so it's a it's definitely i think that some of that is just the nature of the position for sure.

I think that some of that is just the nature of the position for sure. Yeah, I was listening. I think it was you and Chris and it was, it was Lane, it was Jordan, and it was really good. I was, I was actually road tripping out in Canada. So I kept throwing on the episodes and I listened to that one. I'm starting to finish and I'm thinking like, you know, here's Jordan with his crazy story and then Lane is made out of a lab and then your entire deal and I just, all I could think of was one, I was incredibly jealous because I was

like, it must be awesome to have like teammates in your thirties. Yeah, right. Right. Um, but, but I do think that there's, there's a real part of like the success and failures of teams of making sure the guys that have already been there are telling the new guys, this is how we do things. And I think it's a super easy thing to say, but it's a harder thing to execute.

It's a harder thing to execute. And it takes those guys got to be special guys. And I think like when we won the Super Bowl, we were really fortunate to get Chris Long and we had Malcolm Jenkins was already on the team and we had Torrey Smith and having those veteran pieces that have already climbed the mount and we had Torrey Smith. And having those veteran pieces that have already climbed the mountain top and have seen a lot of different, you know, not just teams, but like players

and like pitfalls of players. And it's really important to have a guy that in most of the part of each room that can connect with everybody and that people are gravitated to and that they respect his opinion and that whatever he says is coming from the right place. We were really fortunate in Philly to have that for a long time. And you're right. I mean, one of the things I'm missing most not being in right now is like you don't have the teammates

and you're not in the room and everybody says that's the thing you're going to miss the most. room and everybody says that's the thing you're going to miss the most. And no matter how many people say it, um, for me, at least like it's so much more apparent once it's finally gone. Like, and I just like miss talking to these guys. I miss being around them and the camaraderie of that. Like it's, it's definitely something that I think is taken for granted by a lot of guys that are in the league still. And, uh, you know, people on teams.

Was this a tough week going into week one for you? It was, it was a, it was a tough week. I like, I feel like I like panic live tweeted the whole game because it was like a distraction for me. Like, I like look back and like, why the, why the heck did I just tweet the entire time? It was, you know, it was, it was a weird one to sit there and watch all the guys go out there. And then it was also weird to see myself on Monday night countdown. It all hit full head this past week. And it's going to probably even magnify that much

more this week, Monday night football, being in Philadelphia for sure. Pete Okay. So, the media role, all right? Pete Yeah. Pete I've worked with a lot of guys and you know, as soon as somebody's done, they'll have assumptions about how they're going to do it. And sometimes they execute it. Sometimes it takes the seasoning, you know, it's, there's all sorts of different paths for the post playing career transition into it. What are you trying to balance from like, man, I want to have something good to say, but I just played with these guys or I just played against this guy.

Like how are you handling? I don't want to be a dude that was down in the media. Who's just ripping all of these guys all the time. But I also don't want to be the guy that's just protecting everybody because I just played against this guy. How are you handling, I don't wanna be a dude who's now in the media who's just ripping all of these guys all the time, but I also don't wanna be the guy that's just protecting everybody because I just retired. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's the fine line that you're kinda walking.

I think the biggest thing for me is, again, just being honest. And I think that there's a way to criticize guys that you're being honest and you're, it's hard for a guy to be that mad if it's an honest assessment that isn't like a disrespectful way of being said. Right? Like I think that as a player, you know where that line is of like, man, this guy is just

like going over the top towards a guy. Whereas it's like, Hey, like, listen, Jalen hurts had a lot of really good throws this week. He also had a couple of throws that were really bad that cause some turnovers and those are correctable. So I think that like you saying like an obviously like apparent truth is not disrespectful in my opinion. And I think that when you say it from a place of like, I want either my former teammate or I want Lane Johnson or I want,

I think Baker Mayfield, whoever, if I want them to actually play better, I'm genuinely happy for them. Like when you have those moments of like, hey, I'm not just a curmudgeon, I love this game and I love when guys are executing it well. And then you also have the moments where it's like, man, I'm not just a curmudgeon. I love this game and I love when guys are executing it well. And then you also have the moments where it's like, man, I just wish that they would have got to this

or they just did a little bit of motion. You know, would have messed up this aspect of it. I think, I think that's kind of how I'm trying to approach it is like, you know, genuinely be excited and just be honest in my assessments. And at the end of the day, if somebody does get upset, like I can sleep at night. If what I said was true and in a respectful manner that I think is within the realm of a fair criticism, I think the Eagles, yeah, you're right.

And I think you're, I think the basis of what you're trying to say too, and it was the same thing for us. It didn't play is that you don't want to make it personal, right? And when I'm young, I'm the basis of what you're trying to say too, and it was the same thing for us. It didn't play is that you don't want to make it personal, right? Right. And when I'm younger, less of a filter, you start getting older, all the players are younger than you.

And you're like, you know what? I don't want to be a dick, you know, right. And I still may have that in me every now and then, but you want to avoid at least for me, especially without the kind of resume you guys have. You're like, you'd want to be on, but you want to avoid, at least for me, especially without the kind of resume you guys have, you're like, you'd want to be on Monday night countdown being like these guys quit three weeks ago, you know, that's the kind of stuff where you're just starting to call out somebody's manhood and their

pride. Yeah, exactly. I think that, and I don't think that the, like that doesn't offer, there's not that much insight into saying the, like that doesn't offer, there's not that much insight into saying a comment like that. I think that like, maybe you can question, you know, when, when losses pile up, it's human nature that there's going to be more like in fighting. And I don't know, I think that questioning manhood and stuff like that.

I mean, listen, if it's out there, you got to say something about it. But I think that by and large, most of the guys on the football field, they want to win football games, they're playing hard. Towards the end of the season, that's when it kind of gets a little bit dicey, where guys are out of the playoffs. Once you start getting a lot of losses in a way, you know, it starts creeping in to like self-preservation mode from like everybody in organizations. So I don't know, it'll be interesting towards that part of the year to see, you know, what's the right thing to say or how to say it. But I think for the most part, you know, being respectful, not trying to attack people as people, and

more just being apparent about what is happening that's out on the field and criticizing, I guess, that portion of it. All right. I want to ask you a question that may sound stupid to you. I am convinced, even though I've watched football forever, I'm pretty good, I think I understand it, like basketball responsibilities. Football is entirely different. I would argue more than 90% of us, they're talking about it regularly.

Don't know what you're doing on the O line. Don't know what the read is for the quarterback. Don't know which safety was supposed to help and who was supposed to stay. Man, you know, like I really don't think, I think it's very hard for us to know, especially with the axis of how we watch the entire thing. Okay. So I've probably read too many things about Jalen Hurst now taking over the protections because apparently you were a God when it came to this. Can you tell us- It was a good idea, yeah.

Can you tell us in the most basic sense of what you saw and then how you adjusted the protection and what your options would be? So you're coming up, you're lining up, and then what your role was and now how you adjusted the protection and what your options would be. So like you're coming up, you're lining up and then what your role was and now how that, you know, like I'll get to the Jalen Hurts part of it a little bit later, but I just want to understand it better.

I think the audience wants to understand it better. Yeah, I think, um, that's a very complex answer and I will try and sum it up in as most adjustable and easy way in a short amount of time as I can. I think basically there's multiple different types of protections. You know, for drop back for all intents and purposes there's five man, six man, seven man protections. But all of them kind of have I guess what you would call like an SOP like where the point is going to start and that's based on whether it's a four down defense

or a three, four defense, and there's different parameters for those. But my job essentially is to go up, identify what the structure of the defense is and call the protection so that the offensive line, the running back if he's involved, the tight end, and the quarterback all know who we're responsible for. And typically that includes the four down linemen,

if it's a four down, it could be a five over, all five linemen are blocking all five big guys on the defense, and that'd be more like a three, four, or a bare front. But my job is to identify what defense they're in, and put the protection so that everybody knows where we're at and it's the best in line for the quarterback. One, to pick up the people that are blitzing or rushing the quarterback.

And then two, so the quarterback knows and has an answer to deliver the football. And I think that I'm reading leverage, I'm reading spacing. A lot of people point out safeties that is for sure a part of it. Like a safety over top of a nickel, there's a decent chance. Like, you know, I'm thinking of, okay, this is a better way to say it.

I'm thinking of where the- This is awesome by the way, keep going. I love it. Okay, I am thinking of where the eligible pass receivers are, right? Because I know that the defense has to relate to those receivers if they want to like actually defend them. So based on leverage of where they are in the field, whether safeties are in a position to come down and play those guys, whether blindbackers are pushed over in the direction of certain players, whether D linemen are changing gaps because another guy's going to be responsible over here.

I'm factoring all that information to try to determine if they're going to rush another person outside of the down lin, basically blitz. And I'm kind of playing a numbers game of this is based on that alignment, this is the most likely person that can come. And all of that ideally is being done with the quarterback understanding it or doing it himself. Right. And if that's wrong, you have another answer someplace else. And I think that this is where Jalen doing it is really going to help. Like I think when I did it, if it's a seven man protection, there's a very unlikely chance that you're going to be hot because you have seven blockers. Unless it's a zero blitz, then you're always going to be hot

in zero. Well, not always, but they should have more rushers than you can block in zero blitz. But that requires a different level of adjustments, which is like checking the play and getting to quick screens or these like, you know, sprint outs and other things. But for six man protection, usually I'm very good at setting that basic starting point and not being hot. What we saw later in the year is teams would build up, we call it like eight up front, but you put, if there's seven defenders in a six man protection, I feel really good at figuring that out.

Once you add another element, now all of a sudden it's like, okay, I can take care of one of these sides. You need to feel really comfortable throwing off of one of these sides if that's not right. And that's what we went into the last part of the year. We faced Wink Wartondale and Todd Bowles who are great defensive coordinators and great blitzers. They got after us. I think that at that point, whether the center is controlling it or the quarterback is controlling it, whoever is controlling it needs to be tied in to having an answer if that initial

point is wrong. You can't just count on, no matter who is and how good they are at assessing blitzers, that you're going to pick it up at a high percentage. And I think that we saw it last week with Jalen, he wasn't really tested from like these extreme pressures. He had one pressure that I would consider like, that's like a, they end up running a saw pressure and dropping two D-tackles out.

And I was like, that's one that you're probably gonna be hot on, because it messes with the count. And supposedly, I think they might have actually been in protection to pick it up. I haven't cleared that with Stout, but regardless, he felt that it was unblocked, drifted and threw it to AJ Brown right away. And it was just a great moment of when the quarterback controls it, even when they're wrong, they're aware of it and they know and they should know where to throw the ball. And even if it's not a completion, at least the ball is out and you know, maybe it's third

down, worst case scenario, you're punting, but you're reducing these severely negative plays and now Jaylen is thinking about it continually and it should accelerate his vision across the board with all of them. I mean, it did. I mean, even when it was just single backer blitzes, you could tell he had awareness of it. And I think at a higher level than he did probably the previous few years of his career. So yeah, I don't know if that answers your question. I'm trying to like, it's a very, not only does it answer it, Jason, though, it, because I was thinking about like different things like you're breaking the huddle. There's,

there's no pre set protection plan. It's like, let's see. And then adjust our protection to that and hope that I'm getting it right. And the good ones are the guys like you that were getting it right more often than not, but you're not changing it so much that all of a sudden, cause like, I'll see a play, right? I'll see a tackle lose to somebody on the edge. And if I see him lose, I go, boy, it looks like he got beat.

And I'm now reluctant to ever tweet, you know, Hey, I don't want to just tweet like, Hey, left tackles getting his ass kicked all day today or something like that, but the second you say something about protection, then former offensive linemen are going to line up on Twitter and tell you that you don't know them. And sometimes you just go, are you okay? I understand there's a lot I don't know, but are you so defensive as a member of the O-line gang that like, you can't just admit that I think a tackle got beat?

Like there was no one else on the side. I think the guy just got beat. There's not like there's protection where you'd be pulling the guard outside or something. Like, what are you talking about? There are some, yeah. Would you change the protection into somebody pulling though? Like, that's where I start to wonder.

No, if you're making an adjustment, like if a guard was pulling, like a play action protection, or like a boot, that would be called, and that's gonna happen regardless of what happens in the line. That's a design, right. That's a design part. Yeah, the changing comes down to like,

where the offensive line in the center, who those guys are blocking. And then as a result, that changes who the running back has and who the quarterback's hot off of. And that's how that happens. But I do think most of the time, most offensive linemen on Twitter who are vouching for other linemen, I think that they are probably bringing up valid points. So I would have to see these plays specifically.

Exactly. valid points. So I would have to see these plays specifically. Exactly. There's a lot of like, there's a lot of ones where like, you know, there's a shift involved, right? Which is like the the man side of a five man protection is involved with blocking those two D linemen, but the tackle also has to sift the inside backer who's off the ball. And I see a lot of guys get that one wrong on like, even like commentators, right? Like you'll see, you know, I don't, Greg, but you'll see a commentator say something like, oh, that's not, he doesn't know that the tackle sifting and that he's not supposed

to block the end or that, you know, they're like, oh, the, you know, the, I'm trying to think of like another one, like. Well, God forbid, God forbid you ever call something an RPO and it's not an RPO. I mean, it's just. You will have the opposite line of contingency. Mitchell Schwartz will be down your throat. He's just gonna. No, no, no, wait.

Jeff will be off the top rope before. I could bet somebody like 10 bucks and be like, you wanna see Jeff Schwartz tweet at me in the next hour? He's gonna have his little pet and he's just. Whatever. But the funny thing is like, at one point I was like, okay, I know what an RPO is, I've got it. Yeah.

Like makes a lot of sense, you're kind of lining it up on this side, I can see the different levels of the decisions, I've got it. And then two years later, I'm like, have I, have I been lying this whole time? I don't, cause you go like, that's not an RPO. I'm like, you know, I don't even give a shit.

They look the same. Yeah. I don't care. And that one, like there's, it changes so much. Like even when those first started coming in, like at first it was like all his own read and you're reading the ad. And then all of a sudden RPOs started happening. Now you're reading linebackers

and now they're like, people call it like an RPR. And I'm like, what the fuck is the difference between RPR and RPO? And like, so it all like, it does evolve like very quickly. Sure. Like something that like looks very much like an RPO all of a sudden is I know that's just like a play action or it's just some other thing and it's it is hard to tell the difference for sure. So I'm with you. Yeah. Because I when they first started pop I was like I love this play like this makes I think I saw Auburn doing it and

I went what a brilliant play of like how hard the decision is for the linebacker really anybody out open on that side, like you don't even know what to do. And then it was like, no, now that's not what those things are. All right, a couple of quick things before we let you go. I know you've had a long day here and thanks to Kingsford and everybody being involved. I didn't think part of my prep today would be whether or not,

you know, if you were getting the charcoal white hot enough and using a side smoker, but I'm psyched. I had that research when we're hanging out socially, I'll have some nice ice breakers next time I see you. Perfect. Did the tush push make you retire at the bottom of all of those piles? I love the tush push is like, honestly, it looks gruesome and it is a lot of weight, but, um, that was one that I was still executing at a really high level. I think I could still go out there and push push it.

It would be miserable, but I can still get that done. Uh, no one would force me into retirement was, uh, knees that no longer want to block guys like Vita via, uh, elbows that continually pop and get stuck in certain places. So those are the things. Okay. I know what the rules were when they were presented to me, but I have one swift question, and that is, do you think De'Andre's jealous of these goal line attempts that Saquon's going to get this year? We'll see. I am curious to see how they handle third and one, fourth and one with Saquon there.

Because there's a big investment in Saquon. And sometimes that means that, like, and it shouldn't impact play calling, but inevitably it does, where the Eagles want Saquon to work out even more so than like any other move they've probably made just to make sure that just to like the more touchdown Seguin has, it just looks like the best roster addition in the world. And even if he didn't have that, he gets that the same impact on the team that we could

be brotherly shoving it in the end zone. But those touchdowns do factor. So I do wonder if there's going to be more touchdown opportunities in those third and one fourth of one situations. I do think De'Andre was very frustrated last year when he would get brought down at the one yard line. I'm like rightfully so. I mean, he came back to the huddle one time and I'm like, brother, I am so sorry that you didn't just get it there.

Like we both know what's coming. He just did all this work to get us here and we're going to, we're going to tush push this thing across the end zone. So I think it'll be interesting to see how that factors in this year as well as like, you know, I think we, it's become so apparent that we're running the tush push. I do think that there's probably an argument to be made that maybe let's get to like some of these auxiliary, they're hunkering everybody down in there, right? Like let's, there is literally nobody outside the tight end over here.

We probably should maybe just run it over the air once or twice to keep everybody honest. What a sincere answer for a question that I was obviously just, you're like, all right, I'm taking it. I'm taking it seriously. Look, everybody, everybody I know loves you, man. So I'm happy for you. I'm happy for Travis. And I know Andre, your guy in the new heights deal with one and everything

that's happening for you. So it's good to see the good guys get it done. So thanks for today, man. I appreciate it, Ron. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. All right, brother. Take it easy. Your mom hates it when you leave six half full glasses on your nightstand. It's a good thing mom lives on the other side of the country. And it's an even better thing that you can get six Ikea 365 plus glasses for just $9.99. So go ahead, you can afford to hoard because Ikea is priced for student life.

Shop everything you need for back to school at Ikea today. Excited. We're going to talk with Ryan Day, head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes. So coach, look, we had read about your team all summer. We know the standard, we know the talent, but there were massive expectations. We're two weeks into this. You've taken care of business.

Was there a moment this summer, was there a moment through the first two weeks where you felt like, okay, I feel like I know who my team is? Well, yeah, we've had a lot of guys that are from last year's team, the last couple years team, and these guys have been around the program a while. So it's not like it's a brand new squad.

We did add, I think, seven guys from the transfer portal and certainly had a good recruiting class, but the nucleus of this group has been here for a while. So you know, I think we know what we have now. We're still just in the beginning stages of this race that we're in. And again, just kind of coming out of the gates and our guys understand that they do. And we've reiterated that this week. And, you know, we know if this is going to be a long road. And so this week we've spent time making sure that we're, you know, going back to fundamentals and making sure we're getting guys a lot of reps in practice because we're going to need a lot of guys. And I think there's still some young guys that were figuring that part of it out.

But for the guys who are more experienced, I think we have a good feel for that part of our team. But every year is a little different and some of the new pieces make it unique. I know it's not really that many more games, but college football has added some to the schedule here quite a bit in the last few years. And I know over the years of getting to know some NFL people, they'll really try to map it out. It's a difficult game.

Is there more to planning for a season when you expect to be playing 15 plus games? try to map it out. It's a difficult game. Is there more to planning for a season when you expect to be playing 15 plus games? I don't know if it's more. It's different. And it's not like markedly different. But it is going to be a different end of the season. That's a fact. So as you start to work on your season and plan on your season, I think part of it depends on what your schedule looks like during the regular season. I think everybody's in a different rhythm. When you look at some teams, like Clemson and Georgia, they played a marquee matchup the first game of the year. The last couple of years, we played Notre Dame early in the season.

This year, we didn't have that. Every team's got on a different journey that way, so that part of it's different, but we're all going to end the season the same way with the same type of format. We've talked about that as a team. We've talked about that obviously as coaches, staff, and Nick Moratti, who, you know, is the best in the business at what he does and projecting out what that's supposed to look like and, you know, schematically, but most importantly, like, you know, our guys in terms of, you know, the physicality of things and the mindset as, as they head

in towards the end of the year, but we're a long way away from that right now. You mentioned it. Would you rather have a big test in the first three weeks? Yeah, it's just different every year is different. And I don't think one's good, one's bad. It's just, it's just different along the way. And, um, you know, the key is when you look at your 12 game season, you're going to have these games and where they are in your schedule is what it is.

And so we have to just make sure that we're staying focused on every single week and every single opponent. And we always do, but you gotta respect every single opponent that you play. And the minute you don't, you set yourself up. And so you hear a lot of coaches talk and we do the same thing about what is our standard. We have to play to our standard.

It shouldn't matter what the opponent is. And so we have to make sure we're staying on that and not focused necessarily on the results as it is the process. And again, a lot of coach speak there, but it's there for a reason because that's what you need to do. It's not maybe flashy or sexy.

And in a world with a lot of distractions, we can't lose our focus. The way the portal's talked about, it's as if it's this grocery list, you know, for these programs now it's like, okay, well, let's go get this guy. And, and maybe from the outside, we can look at it. Like the approach is now different in recruiting, but, you know, sometimes I'll think about it and be like, okay, but you brought in Justin Fields.

So like what, how is that that different than necessarily what you're doing now? Well, how would you, I mean, there has to be maybe something or an urgency. How has it changed perhaps what you think is possible in the off season for a roster? I think the just the landscape's different, but when you look at our team, I think people have made a big deal of our team.

But the majority of it is guys that decided to come back. It was, the big focus was the retaining of our roster. And then we certainly had a unique opportunity when Coach Saban retired at Alabama. There was a few guys that became available. And so, we added, I think, seven guys in the portal. And there's certainly a lot of teams that recruit out of the portal,

maybe a little bit more than we do. We believe here at Ohio State, the right formula for us is to recruit at a high level, develop and then retain that team that's here. And one thing that we've learned during the last year or so in this NIL age is that there's a lot of opportunities for Ohio State football players. The marketability of our players is significant, and that's all being played out in real time

and allowing us a benchmark as we move forward. Because when you have a fan base of over 12 million and what comes with the Ohio State brand, it's significant to be an Ohio State football player. And so the opportunities are there. And that's clear to see. And I think as the market's being set, I think Ohio State's leading the way. Pete I want to talk about Chip because I think the relationship is just so unique. I've known him for years, going back to, I remember just getting the globe when I was living in Boston. I'd be like, what are they doing up at UNH? Like, who's this Ricky Santos guy? Like, what, what is going on up there? And these numbers every weekend, you'd read them.

You played for him. Yeah. You end up joining them in a couple of stops in the NFL. He's out here in Los Angeles and then he comes back. How much of an advantage is your relationship when you're looking at the game like philosophically of like who you want to be on that side of the football? What kind of advantage does that relationship give you? I think there's two things. One is the trust. I think that's very, very important when you're dealing in a pressure-packed environment. Trust is critically important because you're going to go through a lot of pressure-packed moments,

in game, post game. And when there's a certain level of trust there, you can have real conversation. You can have conflict, but you leave the room, arms around each other, knowing that you love each other and you're saying the same message and that everybody's on board and there's alignment there and loyalty. And to me, that's like the number one thing. When it comes to the schematics of it, I mean, I played for Chip and then I coached for him. So we see things very, very similar. Now, you know, since, you know, the seven years that we were apart, you know, we kind

of went down a different road than he did at UCLA. And it's been great because a lot of guys in that offensive staff room, you know, see things the same way, including myself. It's very much in line with the way that Chip is it but he also sees it from a different perspective as well in certain areas. So that perspective has been refreshing i think for everybody in that room to see things maybe a little bit different challenge certain things. I'm and so i think the chemistry in that room is good. What i think two things. One, there's a commonality there,

but there's also a fresh perspective. And then two, the overall trust between he and I, I think really so far has allowed us to address some real issues in that room in terms of like real hard questions that need to be answered. And there's gonna be bigger challenges ahead as we know. What was the first conversation like between you? Cause I look, I know he loves you.

He's talked about you to me for years and it's not only playing and you coaching with him, him coaching you and all this stuff. But like the first time maybe where you were thinking, hey, could we do this? Could this happen? Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to get into the details of everything that came up during the conversation, but it was kind of one of those things where I know

we always wanted to coach again together. And I kind of threw it out there. And I think there was a certain timeframe where it had to process it all. The timing wasn't right, really, the first time around. He had a lot going on there at UCLA and wanted to make sure if he were to go down this road that he wanted to handle it the right way, which I thought he did an unbelievable job of doing. But the conversations that we had was that he really enjoyed being in that room and coaching

the quarterbacks during the bowl game. He missed that part of it. He missed just the football end of it. He's going to be very much involved in recruiting and so many other things, but like I can, I can focus on, you know, all these other things now that come with being the head football coach where he can focus more on the football, which is refreshing to him. And so he's obviously been excited about that part of it. It really feels like the head coaching position, especially at a program like Ohio state, you know, it's a, it's a short list of programs in the country where the standards are,

are what they are. Um, there have to be times where you're like, this isn't even about football anymore. I'm being pulled in all of these different directions. How do you deal with like getting your dream job and then realizing that the job maybe isn't exactly what you thought about or what you thought it would be when you were younger and you were an assistant? Yeah. And sometimes the reasons and the characteristics that you display in order to

have an opportunity like this and get a job like this isn't necessarily what you need in order to do the job, which is unique. I always felt like I was someone who wanted to be a head coach and really spent a lot of time with the head coaches that I was fortunate enough to be around, some great mentors. Because this profession is really about apprenticeship. You don't go to school to be a football coach. Where do you learn about the schematics of football? Where do you learn about all the things that come with the public relations part, the recruiting, the staff management? There's just so many different things that come with, quote unquote, being a CEO.

I went to school at the University of Hampshire for business management, got my master's in administrative studies at Boston College. There's a lot of things that you learn during that process that helps you become a better football coach. But there's a lot that you just, you have to learn through apprenticeship. And that was something that I was very fortunate to be around great coaches and tried to take something from each of those guys. And then, and then when you have this opportunity, the landscape changes quickly and you have

to be willing to adapt. That's one of the things that I've come to grips with is that every year it's going to be different. I mean, the first year was its own set of challenges and then COVID came and now the different changes in the landscape and being able to adapt and being comfortable with not knowing what's coming next is something that you have to grab onto. I think leadership is important during uncertain times. We've had those moments even in the time that I've been the head coach here.

But you also learn a lot. You learn a lot about yourself every time you go through a season. You learn more and more. I'm now 45 years old and I feel like I'm in a different place than I was when I started here. You'll learn every year and you grow from it. And so that's the job right now. And in order to move up in this profession, you have to give up. And I think I've certainly embraced that this year and making sure that I'm able to step away a little bit more from the offense

and get more involved in these other things that you're talking about. So you mentioned your background and I'll just share with you, I think the only non-sports job I've ever had once I graduated was I was an insurance consultant. I wasn't even an insurance salesman, which is really hard to do to be a consultant in an industry that you've never actually worked in. So that didn't quite work out, but it was, it was a few months and I knew immediately, I was like, I don't want to do this, but it made my dad feel better about his son. He was like, you did go to school. Was there ever a moment in your timeline where you think about the sacrifice, you know, what kind of lifestyle that you're taking on finding a way to navigate through

all these coaching circles and knowing that, hey, this doesn't really work out. Like maybe I end up being an assistant for the rest of my life in the middle of nowhere and all these. Did you ever have a moment where you were going to go non-football? Yeah. Yeah. You, during the process, you know, our, our family, you know, Nina and I grew up in the same hometown. Um, you know, her dad was a, was a basketball coach and, uh up in the same hometown. Her dad was a basketball coach in town and he kind of stayed there during his career, had opportunities to go places, but kind of built a community there in our hometown.

And then we decided to take a chance and after it was really Boston College, it was back and forth between Boston College and Philly, a temple with the Eagles. Had to make decisions on moving away from family and chasing a dream of becoming a head football coach. That's a family decision.

We had to move 11 times. The sacrifice that's made is more for the family than it is for the coach. And embracing everything that comes with that. And I think along the way, everybody in the family has to understand the goal. The goal is to make an impact on young people. And that's why we're in this profession. And then also embracing the family into recruiting, into being in the building and being around the players and enjoying game day and all those things. And so, uh, and that's allowed, you know, me the opportunity to continue to work through

those moments of doubt that you have along the way, like, okay, you know, I'm on the road recruiting, you know, for a whole month, um, you know, after the season and you haven't seen my family and you know and all coaches kind of go through that same thing of like, all right, is this really worth it? But when the family can support you and be involved, it certainly makes it a lot easier. And then as you work your way during the career, what you realize is that it eventually comes down to the impact you're making on people's lives. And that's where the focus has to be.

And so my family has allowed me that opportunity because of the support they've given me. You're also smart to have a wife whose father's a coach, right? So she kind of knew the deal and maybe you had an ally there on the other side. Doesn't make it easier, I can promise you that. They just know exactly what to expect.

How does being someone that has experienced the NFL help you as a college hedge coach? A couple things. I think the first thing is that it allows you the opportunity to handle high-end athletes and how you help them get better and being professional that when you show up, you've got to be on point because they expect you to be the best in the world at what you do. If they believe that you're getting them better, then you'll have their attention. If you don't, you can lose them. I think also how do you challenge them without making it adversarial?

You have to treat them like men, but you also have to challenge them and create conflict because that's the only way you get better. So I think how you handle the high end athlete is, it was one thing that I really felt like I learned from being in the NFL. I think the second thing is just schematically, as time goes on, the length of an NFL season, how do you get an identity, grab onto it, but then also keep things fresh so you give your guys the best opportunity to be successful and not get into a rut of either running too many things on offense, defense, or special teams where you don't

have an identity or two, running the same things over and over again, where, you know, guys can really narrow in on you and identify what you're trying to do and find that balance during the long season. When I think about the background, you know, we've touched on the UNH part of this, but it was ahead of its time and then chips at Oregon, it felt like, hey, what are they doing out there? Right? And then I think about like how, this is what I love about college football. It's why some of the conference realignment stuff, I've already done this rant far too many times, so I'm not going to share it with

you, but I loved Saturdays because I felt like the football represented geographically, like the beliefs of how football should be played. And with realignment, I think we'd lose some of that. But if you'd grown up in Iowa, maybe you would be married to a style of football that's different than what you'd learned in New Hampshire. You know what I mean? Like all of these different places that have these different styles. I mean, like all of these different places that have these different styles. I mean, how much do you think you are, and I think about this a lot with styles of football and how things have kind of caught up, but like when you're designing philosophically,

the foundation, everything that you've learned, you go, okay, this is the way football should be played. Do you think it's because you're right? Do you think it's because that's right? Or do you think it's because that's your background and that's what you're most comfortable with? No, I think it's a pretty deep discussion. And I think about it a lot. I think about Ohio State and to your point, a lot of people and a lot of great coaches have a lot of great ideas. Jim Knowles has run a lot of different styles of defenses. Chip Kelly's run a lot of people and a lot of great coaches have a lot of great ideas. Jim Knowles has run a lot of different styles of defenses. Chip Kelly's run a lot of different styles of offense.

You saw him wide open with Oregon with four wides and you saw him at UCLA with 22 personnel or three tight ends in the game. Even before we went to the no huddle back in college, that was a bigger, heavier set with fullbacks and running the ball, option football. So the idea is finding the right things that fit your players. And one of them is the skill set that you have on the team. But another thing is based on the opponents that you play and what's coming down the road. And when I think about Ohio State, you know, we're playing in the Big Ten. So there's a certain level of physicality,

toughness. Run the football that has to run throughout the entire building. If you don't win the rushing yards in the Big Ten, you're not going to win the championship. You have to run the football and stop the run and play physical football. But as you look at Ohio State, the expectations are to beat the rival, win the Big Ten championship, win the national championship. Once you get out of the Big Ten, you know, and you find yourself in a playoff game or in a bowl game, and you're, you know, in an indoor environment, now you may find yourself opening the game up a little bit and having, you know, a game where you need to be able

to go play in space. And you know, it turns into a little bit more of a track meet. So what we try to do when we recruit and also when we build our identity in all three phases is be able to get into a fistfight in driving rain and 40 mile an hour winds in November in Chicago, but also being able to play in a dome with a really athletic team from somewhere else in a different part of the country, if that makes sense. It does. And when I watch a receiver group, which is, I mean, it's absurd, but it feels like, when I look at a basketball team, I'll go, okay, they have three great players, but they overlap.

It's a bit redundant. So I may not like this team as much as another team that may not on paper have the same amount of talent because I feel like the other group complements each other. And when I look at your receiver group, and then the Howard dynamic, where if you want to just let him run through guys, you have that you that you can go to. How much does that how much does that balance kind of help you feel like you can go to, how much does that balance kind of help you feel like you can get to everything

you want to get to on Saturdays? Well, that was the plan in putting it all together. There's no question about that. Now, what it looks like and how we continue to build and the journey and what we do in these games is to be seen. But everything that you're mentioning was thought out very carefully and a big job. A big part of our job and my job is talent acquisition make sure that we have these right guys in the right spots. What are the make sure that we can select these guys do a good job so we don't get everybody that we want but the ones that we do we do everything we can do.

Make sure they understand what it means to be a bug guy and what. do. We do everything we can to make sure they understand what it means to be a Buckeye and what we can do in terms of them after football and the development that's here and all those types of things. We try to go out and do exactly what you said. When you look at defensively where we're at right now, when you look at where we're at offensively, there's a plan for that and making sure that we do have all this versatility down the road. That's why we've got to just continue to get to work and make sure that we're able to put it on the field. Okay.

Last thing, and I've interviewed enough coaches over the years to think, okay, I might be able to guess the answer, okay, but I'm still going to try. Sure. And it has to do with criticism. Okay. It has to do with criticism at the highest levels. And as I mentioned before, Ohio state standard is up there with any other program, right?

It's expected to win the conference. It's expected to compete for national championships every single year and you better get a couple, right? And, you know, I do think one of the cool things that you mentioned about guys coming back is a credit to the program. But I also think, and maybe I'm too old and I'm hanging on to some tradition, but I think the fact that you have this class of guys that had never beaten Michigan, that it was really, really important for them to get a win against Michigan at some point and be

able to come back to Columbus and not be the group that was like, we actually never beat those guys. And I think that's awesome that that matters to a group of young kids, maybe five or six guys that could have gone on the first two rounds of the NFL draft. So there's a difference between being in the national media as I've been for years, going back to my early local days, where one of the advantages of being national is I feel like I can see all of it and then kind of compare all the different things where locally you're so close to it, even though you know it better, I think you can become irrational. And so at the end of last

season, I was hearing criticism about you. And again, we don't have any relationship whatsoever, but to me, it was just common sense of like, he's 58 and eight now with the, he's 39 and three in the conference. He won the big 10 the first two years he's there. I understand the rivalry part of it, but you're mad at this guy? This is the guy you're upset with? Which blows my mind. So I did this long segment on the whole thing

where I'm like, be careful what you wish for here. Now, the whole reason I set that up is that I know if I ask you, does it ever bother you? You're just gonna tell me this is what you signed up for? But are there ever moments where maybe it doesn't impact you but impacts someone close to you where you feel like, do people realize how good of a job we're actually doing here despite the disappointing regular season end? Well, I think, you know, after last season and the season before, I mean, there's frustration.

You know, there's frustration from us more than anybody. You know, the players, the coaches, the ones that are, you know, here in the Woody that are closest to it. And, you know, there's people who love Ohio State football. I mean, and when you have 12 million fans, you know, 5% is still a lot of people. And so when you deal with that, you know, you're going to deal with all that comes with that. But when you're frustrated, sure, we all want to kind of lash out and we all want to be great.

We all want to beat our rival. We all want to win championships. So to see our guys kind of regroup after that and come back together and keep working towards this is important. I think when you have an opportunity to have a group of guys like this come together, you just have to focus on day to day. You can't get out in front of it because you want it so bad. And there's nobody who wants it more than the guys in this building. And so there's a lot that comes with coaching at the highest level of college football. And so, you know, there's a lot that comes with, you know, coaching at the

highest level of college football. And, you know, when you have a young family and everything like that, yeah, of course. I mean, that's just real. I mean, you know, you know, we're all human and, you know, and we all want to do great. And I think probably the thing for my family and I is, you know, when we don't win, we went a lot of games around here, but when we don't win, and certainly, you know certainly when we lost that game, you just feel like you've let so many people down. I think that's where it takes time to recover from. Then you come back together and you make sure that you come back stronger and you learn

from why that didn't happen. Then you do everything you possibly can to get yourself back in that situation again and go win those games. And so that's what we've done. And the way that you have to look at it is it's an opportunity. And I mentioned this to the staff. I said, no matter what you do in the past, you learn from it, right? And you can prepare for the future, but you've got to maximize right now.

And how many times in life are you going to have an opportunity to do something special like this? And so that's why we have to maximize every day. I think we're 89 days away from the rivalry game and that's a hundred and some odd days away from some of these championships. And so every day has to be maximized. And if you start to look at anything else, you can get yourself out of whack and distracted. And so we're not going to do that. So, you know, that gives you a little bit of insight on kind of, you know, where we've, where we've been and kind of where we're going in our mindset now. Yeah. I mean, I, you can't look ahead, but I already am looking ahead. So I, I can't wait. And I do think it's, it's a, it's a credit to everything you're doing to,

now we can talk about, Hey, there's more incentive for students to stay, which I think is great. But I also think in today's day and age, when that NFL carrot's dangle in front of you to come back to Columbus, because you feel like there's unfinished business, I don't know how often that's going to happen with a lot of programs. I also think when all that gets said, when you talk about the culture of this program and

that there is strong stability here in retaining our roster on a yearly basis and that we don't have to go into the portal to go change 20 to 30% of our roster. It's about 5 to 10% every year. That matters because we're not allowed to have a bad year at Ohio State. That's just not possible. So we have to continually build this through great people. And that's through recruiting, talent acquisition, coaching staff, staff members in the building to make sure that that stability is there for an extended period of time as well.

And that's another thing that we make sure that we're all over on a daily basis. Yeah, well, it's a great start so far. And this is huge for us for you to be able to take the time in a busy schedule. So thanks again, coach. Absolutely. Much respect, man. Now onto a special part of today's episode sponsored by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. There's only one way to get serious about football this season, and it starts with NFL Sunday Ticket with features like MultiView, where you can watch up to four games at once and the stats and fantasy views to keep track of teams and players.

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To be fair when we're keeping track of this I'm not gonna brag about an alt spread record even though both games would have won on the original number anyway But that's like last year don't think I did I don't even know if I did any all spreads last year. We did, but we only did three legs last year. So it was a little bit different. So we're trying to stay in the plus 400 range. So there's four times. Four legs plus 450.

So the all thing will still be in play as we try to scrape through this. Okay, so why don't you guys start the board? All right, well, you know, it's football, means you can do your job completely and someone else could screw it up. And that's okay, we got a short memory. Oh, that's sweet.

Short memory, short memory. Moving on to Cincinnati. And so sticking with vibes, great Sopranos doc. I'm not sure if this was in the doc or if this was something in my feed, but you got your hunchback of Notre Dame, you got your quarterback of Notre Dame, you got your halfback at Notre Dame, Quasimodo predicted all this.

Isn't that strange? You ever thought about that? So what I'm going to do, I'm going to take the alt spread for Notre Dame at Purdue and it's going to be minus six and a half and that's going to get minus 170. I think that's pretty good. I think the original number is minus nine and a half. This just seems a little safer. So we'll do that.

I don't know that I love Kyle talking that level of. Crash the week removed from being the only one wrong, but I mean, we're really just keeping track of the sanding. So we know what you're so interested in. And you know, fair. That's what happened week one. So that's all I'll say on that. I'm going to let me go next. Cause if you're going to take the Notre Dame minus six and a half all all dust

spread, I'm actually going to take the all under in that one. 51 and a half. I feel like Riley Leonard, people that afraid of him throwing the ball at this point. I think they'll bounce back, but Purdue is also a good run team, good against the run. I think it's gonna be kind of a grind. So I just give me the.

Okay. So same game. So you guys are doing the Tennessee NC State thing that we did last week. Okay. Oregon. No, I'm not. I'm not like, yeah, no. There was a chuckle there from Wargon as if I was against it.

It worked. I just think calling it the Tennessee NC State thing's kind of funny. Cause we did the exact same thing last week. Yeah, that's fair. Maybe we did more same game stuff anyway. Okay, Wargon, you get a total on a tight end from the boy there?

I'm looking at Utah State. Both schools probably playing backup quarterbacks this week. So I'm just looking under the point total. It's a 43 and a half. I'm gonna alt that up to 47 and a half. So under 47 and a half minus 192. What was the first shutoff for USC in like a decade? They hammered them.

So I like it. Okay, I'm going with the post emotional win on the road for Texas at Michigan. And if we have the number right now in front of me against UTSA, it's minus 35 and a half. UTSA is actually one and one. But I mean, they lost to Texas State 4910. My hope for this game would be that Texas just comes out a little slow. You know, it's not the earliest window of the kickoff, but what can I get this up to? We're going 40 and a half on the alt spread, so bumping it up another five points. Yeah, 40 and a half.

All right. So UTSA plus 40 and a half at Texas and those four get us to plus 461 boys So, you know, we're just trying to get in that sweet spot in that range And by the way, there are I believe we got a 50% profit boost token for parlays including the college football parlays Including the Alliance and a 50% profit boost on the Wisconsin Alabama game so you can actually get those odds a little higher if you like some part bets. Here's the thing too, it's like, if you like one of them and you don't like other,

it's like a little bit of a buffet situation. Pick what you like, but pick what you don't like and make your own parlay's, but this is ours. So there you go. Okay, we're looking to go one and two, three weeks in. Excited about it. Okay, and to continue the, we're gonna call it a couch research money, three

picks, my couch instinct, looking at the public money, public bets, which are two different things. So we're going to go with public bets and then, um, a tip from the people that are supposed to know this stuff better than I am. All right. So last week it was one and two where fading the public was the only one that worked. My pick lost, the sharp pick lost. So the sharp pick right now, we're going to go with this one.

There's a few that throw my way, but the Denver Pittsburgh line, Steelers at Broncos, that line's moved from Steelers minus three and a half to now minus two and a half. The sharp play is apparently Denver plus two and a half. All right. The percentage of public bets, there's two at 85% as of this taping on the action network. And believe it or not,

the Broncos are very public side on the bets. So we'll stay away from that one and not use it again. 85% of the bets are on the bucks plus seven and a half at Detroit. So let's fade that and go Detroit minus seven and a half. And do I dare do it again? What line makes no sense?

Cause this won't be based on research. All right. The Panthers line opened. They were three and a half point dogs at home against the LA Chargers Let me see. Let me try to get it on the fan duel here so if I go and look at the NFL odds as Of this taping because that line was just like come on

Yeah It's it's different in a couple different places, so I can't believe I'm going to do this, but yeah, I am going to do it. Give me Carolina plus four and a half at home against the Chargers. So one and two star. See how it goes this week. You want details? Fine.

I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. The email address life advice rr at gmail.com What is good Kyle? Also, what is good Steve? Yo. Life is how's everybody? Life is good Kyle also? What is good Steve? Yo Life is how's everybody life is good. We're good. It's good. I sold out in Philly by the way boys That guy has any tickets let me know I knew this was gonna be a problem you already don't you're already jammed up with the the traveling Wilburys

Kyleberries well again, it's's just, it's unclear the number that's gonna, I know a couple guys are taking flights. Give us a range. What's the number? I mean, I'd say a conservative number would be like five and a- Yeah, but it's not five. I can tell you're just- I'd say it could be closer to like eight or nine, so I don't know.

Okay, but how many- That's assuming my parents don't go, which could make it an even 10, so I don't know. Okay, but how many- That's assuming my parents don't go, which could make it an even 10, so I don't know. We want your family, we want, but how many- Well, see, the thing about it is my family, every once in a while, they'll ask me, they'll be like, my family, the closest people to me, be like, so what exactly do you do again? It's only been like seven years, so I don't know

if they wanna take the hard right turn into, here I am on stage and left turn, I don't know what's the right answer. But I just don't know if they like the being like, what do you do to like, is that guy drinking whiskey up there? I don't know. So we'll we'll see. Maybe I won't have this. Gotta have one whiskey. Do you have any plus anything's sturdy for a Philly show? I don't think so. Other than just like ringer people like I'd

like shield to come. De.E.L.D to come, De Bundeau, producer Cliff, few different people. But no, I don't think I have any friends and family. I don't have anybody in Philly. I don't have a ton of people in Philly. I think I'm also a plus zero. Nice. That's great news then.

Okay, great. Because we had an issue with Denver trying to get the guys in and, you know, Allison or Elizabeth was like, "'Yeah, I don't know. Ryan's got quite a crew. I'll let you know if there's anything left over. So that's good news.

And I think we'll be okay. Yeah. Denver. I had like a plus 20. Yeah. Um, huge in Denver. That's fair. Yeah.

No, I've got a wedding. Actually. I'm flying from Cleveland for a wedding to Philly to the show. So I'm just doing like a nice, you know, swing state visit. America's heartland. For things happen. Am I right? Yeah. Never been. So I'm just doing like a nice, you know, swing state visit. America's Heartland. For things that happen. Am I right? Yeah, never been. So check it out. Well, I think Chris Long's going to need a couple plus whatever.

Yeah, that's that's fair. I think about that. That guy's awesome. He's probably got a lot of friends. All right. Yeah. Yeah. I should have asked if Kelsey, we should ask Kelsey to come. It's a miss. I could always text him. No, I think we we got enough.

I think we text them. Nope. I think we, we got enough. I think we got enough. What if Kelsey, what have all the Kelsey's want to come? What a traveling loves Chris long. You'd be like secret service there, right? Yeah. Taylor here. She's like, wait, we're still a live show in Philly. Cancel the tour. Imagine, imagine.

She's like, I know this guy plays football, but this guy's going to ruin the world tour. I think only 5% of people are getting these zingers. They're pretty good. Yeah. You ever heard of travel lock before? Yeah. Wait going to ruin the world tour. I think only 5% of people are getting these zingers. They're pretty good. You ever heard of travel log before? Yeah. Wait, you're the Iceland guy.

There are some sneaky fans of the travel log. He's a leader in the space. Yeah. I mean, how the travel log, anyone listens to it without pictures. Seruci and I, when we first discussed it, it was like, I don't know, dude. And I was like, I also don't know. Yeah. And it's really, it's really has my back as much as any person walk in the planet, but it was, it was a good conversation. I go, look, if it,

if it completely bombs, it bombs. It's really like, I don't know. I think people like travel stuff because they can see things. Yeah. Well visual medium, but hey. Also, not wrong, not wrong, by the way. But if I was also out on the baseball draft and the baseball draft thing seemed to play, you know, so. Yeah, I was out on it while I was doing it. I was so out on it, I didn't even do it this year.

That played like in the way people watch like those movies like The Room, right? Like Troll 2. They're movies like the room right like troll Too they're just like all right should should we just like? Bear witness to this ridiculousness. So you just root your teeth and get through it Like it says they're still an hour left. What could there be? Yeah, the prep for that was tough though because I was like, how are you gonna fill all this dead time when it's not your pick so Anyway, all right,

let's get to a couple emails here. We got one. This is more of a feedback thing, but I felt like it was timely five nine average build never lifted curious if the Brady deflection was ordered from the top down, or his decision to provide security for Brady's feelings made in team. Ooh. Little spice on that one. Not wrong though. That's exactly what happened. You know, Brady's debut was harshly criticized

and Bill was having a really tough day. And Bill called me and said, Hey bro. He's like, what are you going to do about Brady? And I was like, I don't know. Guy can't catch a fucking break. And he was like, you know how much I love Tom. I know how much you love Tom. I was like, I love Tom. I have the Jeff Potts like, I love Tom. I have the Jeff Potts connection, NBD, the legend, Will McDonough.

Back in the day when Saint was rolling, went back late night, the female women that were with us thought that it was Tom Brady's house that they were going to. Boy, were they disappointed. Bummer for them. Yeah. When it was not Tom Brady's house. I think there was a guy who played in the revolution.

I asked him how much money he made at the after hours. And he was like, are you seriously asking me how much money? I mean, I'm just curious about what salaries are for guys in the league. And he's like, how much money do you make? I go $38,000 a year. I'm at local radio. about what salaries are for guys in the league. And he's like, how much money do you make? I go $38,000 a year. I'm at the local radio. He was like, now I don't feel so bad.

And then he told me what he made and I gained knowledge. The making less guys happy to tell you. The making more guys usually like you first. And when you're making no money, you're like, you're gonna be impressed how low this is. And I can't wait to tell you. Yeah. I thought, I thought it was like the other way around thing where he thought I was.

Big time. Incomfortable. Like I totally understand people deciding like, why are you asking me how much money? I don't, I don't normally do it, but it was also sort of later setting the whole deal. The point is there's some Brady connections. So yeah, I was defensive of him strictly because of those relationships and a mandate from Bill. So you got to first just want to get in front of it. Thanks for staying on top of that. Yeah.

Before awful announcing finds it. So, okay. Here's one very Kyle related. How do I become Kyle? 26, 511 160 no impressive gym stats, but I'm up from 142 at the start of the year. Whoa, dude. Packing on way to go. He's got a long way to go. Try to be me. Well, are you are you bigger than the wedding? Wait, less where we are? I'm trying to be me. Well, are you bigger than the wedding weight? Less?

Where are we at? I don't know, I'm not sure. You're not a wearer? I'm not a wearer. I used to be a wearer, I'm not a wearer now, but every once in a while, maybe I'm a yo-yo in a bit where sometimes I can look a little,

but I don't know what the actual, you know. Tough shirt. The center, the center, you know about that. I don't know if the center of gravity changes from time to time, but it's like, some people be like, hey, you're looking great. And then, you know, tough shirt, you know about that. I don't know if the center of gravity changes from time to time, but it's like, somebody be like, hey, you're looking great. And then, you know, for all like some people are like, hey, I thought you were losing weight, buddy.

What's going on? Give a little pat on the belly. And I'm like, oh, all right. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't checked. So I don't know. Okay. Are you a weigh guy, Ryan?

Yeah, twice as much. You're on the numbers this guy, come on. I'm just kind of fascinated. Like I just, we have a scale. It took a while to get one in the house walking. Advocates. Some people, you know, some people don't care about it, but I, I play myself like every night.

I've just like fast. I just like to see like what the fluctuation is a big meal. You know, just, just what's the most you've ever weighed? 168, I think. What was going on that? I don't even know what that looks like on you. What was going on at 168? Was it the hair? Was that when you had the most hair?

No, no, no, this was recently. I can stand to lose a few LBs, but I'm anywhere now between 162 and 168. And it goes like that. That was like post-bachelor party maybe. I think I came back. It was just swollen. Wasn't feeling great.

Kyle, what's your, what's your top number? Oh boy. I don't know. I don't know. Somebody will have how much they make. I don't know. Yeah. What's worse.

This probably this. Okay. Yeah. Uh, all right, back to the email. This guy's trying to get to 175 by the end of the year. Dude, you were at 142. What are you? That doesn't sound like peanut butter way basketball comp TJ McConnell without any defensive ability.

White guy who plays hard everyone things can shoot but really can't. Okay, it's got to report. I currently run a podcast studio will I'm the white guy who plays hard and everyone thinks can shoot, but really can't. Okay. Let's get into it. I currently run a podcast studio. We'll leave the location out. Just we try to clean these up for you. Owned by a fairly prominent name in the area. Basically my job is to produce and edit for all the podcasts that rent out our space,

25 current clients. I'm not 100% sure what Kyle does for the Ringer, but I would imagine it's fairly similar, might be completely off though. I also host two different podcasts myself right now, one for sports discussions and one for basic interviews. I've been running my own different podcasts for about a decade now as side projects. I left my cushy sales job in March of last year to start my own media company. Whoa.

All right. That eventually he's, he's not stressed out. He's not like stress, losing weight. He's packing on, I don't know how he's not stressed out. He's not like stress losing weight. He's packing on, I don't know how he's packing on, on the muscle on top of everything else that eventually failed. And I found this new opportunity to continue in the career I want to be in. Instead of going back to the sales world, my question is fairly simple. What else do I need to do to learn to be ready for a role similar to

Kyle and Saruti in the future? Once again, not exactly sure what Saruti's role is. I don't know my role is a straight catcher. You are a straight catcher, but I don't think this is actually a straight. I think this is him just admitting openly. No, I know. He's not, yeah, yeah.

Cause when I saw it, I went, oh no. And let's be fair to everybody here. I don't think that was the intent. Just looping them into the conversation so everybody feels included. I know what it takes to produce, edit, post, and even host a successful podcast, but I'm always trying to improve my skills, hopefully get a better job at a larger company in the content side. When the time comes, my ultimate goal would be to produce or edit a while also partially on the content side of things for bigger, well-known and established media company.

Doesn't sound like you want to be me, man. Sounds like you want to be Tate Frazier. Maybe you should talk to him. I don't know. I'm not. How do we become Kyle? What happens? I mean, everybody's just going to say it's because of Bill and you're late.

Yeah, you should have an aunt that really has always liked you and then marries a guy who becomes awesome. And then you get in trouble in college. They start to think about you for And then Mary's a guy who becomes awesome. And then you get in trouble in college. They start to think about you for the first time in a while. They get concerned. And then she Jedi mind tricks him into helping me out. And then your car breaks down and you can't be a PA to get coffee. And you ask the dudes in the audio room

if they need help. Yeah, I really don't know what. Yeah, but you're more than that. It sounds like you know all the things. Yeah, I know what I'm saying. It sounds like you know all the things. And the I know. But I'm saying it sounds like you know all the things. And the only reason I'd say I could probably do the job fast. And we've cleaned up the mistakes over the

last, you know, five so years. It's like, I'm not I'm not missing edits or anything. Because sometimes it can be a little stressful when they're like, where's the pod? The game just ended whatever. But yeah, it sounds like you've got all the stuff. I mean, it doesn't sound like you're doing anything different than what I've you vote you like even went out started media company failed and found a new job. Like I haven't the game just ended, whatever. But yeah, it sounds like you've got all the stuff. I mean, it doesn't sound like you're doing anything different than what I've, you like even went out, started a media company, failed and found a new job.

Like I haven't done any of those things. So I don't know, maybe I should ask you. Maybe we should pick your brain. As a producer, I would say don't, try not to talk when you're not spoken to unless somebody asks for that. That's the one thing I would say. There were some people, some people that I, you know, I'm aware of over my many years here that were like turning

on the mic and then there were conversations after like, what the fuck is that about? What's going on? If he does it one more time, we're going to have a problem on air. So I would just say, try to read the room and see if anybody wants that from you. And if not- That happens anywhere though. I remember we were, it used to be radio dating back to then, it'd be like new board op. It's like, all right, my turn like new board op. It's like,

all right, my turn to crack the mic. It's like, who is this guy? What's going on? Wait, there was somebody that jumped in. It happens all the time. No, but well, maybe it didn't happen with us very often. I don't remember a new guy just going, Hey, Van Pelt, uh, real quick wrong. Yeah. Last segment. You said this. Hmm. Um, actually I wish that had happened now that I think about it. I would've been here.

But it wouldn't have gone over very, very well at the time. So here's, I know Saruda, you have a lot on this because your story is very different. You didn't have any desire to be on the air. You were totally cool being behind the scenes and then you kind of ended up on the air and you do the soccer prod stuff with us which is great but you're still not like navigating the off mic stuff for this day this final destination of like okay

the Saruti show exists like I know we've talked about this you you actually maybe could go that route if you wanted to and then you had the on-air thing with the NBA channel which is still right yeah, which is still kind of crazy. Because I know you like, I've met a ton of people that get into production that want nothing to do with production and they want to be on the air. And it sounds like our emailer probably likes that part of it. Because look, being on the air is more fun than not being on the air. But for some people, it's just, I don't want that.

I don't want to have to come up with shit every single day. Especially when you're back in the radio days. Every day you've got a thought. Are you serious? If you could be on the air the way I'm on the air, that's the best. That's the best. Yeah, right.

My grandma asked me the other day, she was like. Little dip of frosting. Yes, that's like, my grandma asked me the other day, she was like, Little dip of frosting. Yes, that's like my grandma asked me the other day, when I went over to have dinner with her just every once in a while, it's not because she's old, she really has never known. She's like, So what do you do again? And I told her, like, what's the what's the life help thing? And I was like, Oh, it's it's silly life advice, whatever. She's like, so you don't know what

you're gonna say? I'm like, No, and that's the way I want it. So that's the that's the move. That would be awesome, though, in five, Kyle's like enough of this shit. I'm the star. Life help with Kyle. That would be great. People are tuning in, people like Kyle, man. Well, it's funny,

because when I confirmed that it's life advice, she just was like, why would you ever do that? What qualifies you, yeah? Ouch. I was like, no, I think that's exactly I think that's the joke. And she's like, I don't get it. I don't like it. All right. Yeah. Thanks for lost. Lost a listener. I don't think my parents have any idea what I do since I left ESPN.

They probably even know what I did there either, but they don't they don't get it. My my mom is like and the thing is, my mom's like on social media all the time. So she'll like like and share everything. And she has no idea what any of this stuff is. She just does it. She loves me. Amazing how that could be the case for both things. Super supportive, no clue.

Yeah, but thank you. Thank you, mom. I don't know, I guess where should we start? Well, I don't think the guy actually wants to be Kyle, which is why we're just stumbling around here like three morons, not even coming close to answering this email. I would say on the on airair, off-air thing though,

years ago I would have said, you need to pick one, okay? Pick one, because I will admit, when I was younger, and I would see the behind the scenes guy who was at ESPN, and I'd be like, what do you think is gonna happen? Do you think they're just gonna be down a shift one day, and then you're gonna be on the air? Like it's not going, and then the rules just kind of changed pretty quickly, and now I wouldn't discourage anyone

from any of that, although still my favorite, maybe my favorite ESPN radio memory, and this is saying something, is the guys who just behind the scenes started a podcast in the ESPN main feed and it ran. Like it is so incredible to have the balls to go, hey, there's all this equipment around, I've got shit to say.

That's a 2AM conversation. It's like, it's Zach Lowe, Fantasy, Brian Rosillo, three dudes that were here on a Saturday, and it's just in the feed, unbelievable balls. I aspire to have that kind of just, no fucks, just absolutely. Was that a huge problem, or did no one know for a while? I don't even remember how many episodes they got out.

Yeah, there was a few episodes, and then finally someone was like, what the fuck is this? What is going on here? And they were like, oh, the guys that, kind of the board ops launched a pod. On the number one. Trying to go above and beyond.

Sports network in the world. Anyway, yeah, like I said, I would probably tell you, if you're cheating on one, it's hard to be married to the other, but now I don't really feel that way anymore. I think I'm less discouraging because I just feel like the paths are all over the place and I'm from a different time where the path was very clear

and very regimented. And this was like the one thing that you had to do. And that was, so I, I don't want to give that advice now because it doesn't apply. But as far as the Kyle part of it, this emailer Kyle feels like you, as you said, you should be asked, like, you don't want to do what he's doing. It seems like his aspirations are beyond what your

role is. Totally. So I don't, I don't, I don't think he would want to actually like, what is your week? How about we do that? What is your week? Uh, let's see Sunday bill after football and it's odd hour Sunday bill after football. Now it's Monday mornings with you. Then I'll jump over with Tate do one shining podcast put that out Tuesday's build you know spotty recordings throughout the day if it's on call like a doctor yeah yeah so no frolic Tuesdays Thursdays Wednesday is going to be now it's just you and I used to like actually do the editing and mixing and now we got work on so I just kind of pop in and pop out for that. And then, so Wednesdays are clear, usually a golf day.

Thursday is another bill. Thursday night football, if it's good, we'll be recording after the game as well. But again, that's a couple different recordings throughout the day. Friday, it will be just this. Usually a one-shotting podcast is banked and out already. And then Saturday I'm off and Sunday we started all over again.

But to also to Kyle's credit, like I've funneled many a producer Kyle's way to be like, hey, could you help them like figure out how to make stuff sound better? Cause Kyle's a good editor. You know, we use pro tools and it's not the easiest thing in the world to learn and there's a lot of like different plugins and stuff that you got to figure out.

And a lot of it's like, you know, fine tuning by ear of what you think will work and what won't work. And, you know, it's hard to kind of nail that stuff down. And that is actually that is very true. Like Kyle, one of the things that he does that is hard to replicate is like he just gets stuff out quick, like on bill stuff on a coming on after an NBA finals game or coming on that on Sunday after football, like that part has to come out fast. Like we want to be out first for other stuff or like as soon as any reaction pod you want it out fast. And it's not, it's not the easiest thing in the world to do for sure.

You know, so Kyle is, Kyle is also, he's a, he's a teacher at this point. I feel like you teach people how to like do that. Yeah. Well, the secret is it's kind of easy after a while. Well, it's just, it's to the point where I'm just timing it now. I'm like, man, if we can get this out in 38 minutes, that'd be like a new. That's my gym. He said personal records, my PRing left and right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The thing that to your point, Ryan though, about like people and like the, the blurred lines between on air and producer stuff. Like, I think I could say this to you, Kyle. Like I don't know if like the Kyle Crichton show is a thing that we would do. I get that it'd be tough.

I think there's several reasons it wouldn't do that. I don't even think you would want that. Do you want it? They would need a full time moderator. Be like, we need to listen to this thing before it comes out. I don't know. Maybe by month two, I'm out of ideas.

And it's just like, why'd you bring the guy from the bar on? It's like, we ran out of stuff. Alison didn't know. Maybe by month two, I'm out of ideas. And it's just like, why'd you bring the guy from the bar on? It's like, we ran out of stuff. Allison didn't know. Allison didn't think Charles Barkley wanted to talk to you. So we just started bringing Alan from the bar. So yeah, I don't think that's the right. But like the stuff you bring on life advice, like people, people love you on life advice. You know, a lot of people that I'm like, Oh, what's Kyle like in real life? Like that we, you know, if there aren't those blurred lines, we don't necessarily get that.

So I'm not really, again, we're not really answering this guy's question. It's, it's, it's, I feel like, yeah, but I feel like in this industry, like, I don't know, man, like when we all have these weird different paths of how we kind of got here and a lot of it, some of it's luck. Like I got really lucky to just, you know,

obviously get in the mix with you and Ryan when I was, you know, 23 years old. Are you and Scott Ryan when I was, you know, 23 years old. Are you and Scott when I was 23 years old? Like sometimes it just things work out that way. I, what I could say, and I always tell people is if you're good at content and you're smart and you're, I don't know, you, you have, you bring good ideas to the table, you give a shit likely things are going to work out for you. So that's, that's kind of how I would, how I would, uh, how I would approach the situation.

Did you just say you're smart? Uh, did you just compliment your teller? So that's kind of how I would approach the situation. Did you just say you're smart? Did you just compliment your intelligence? Yeah. That was easy. No, look, you actually- Dumb guys never self-admit they're dumb, by the way. That's the other thing.

No, but it's true. Everything you said is true. It was your instincts. Immediately, with content, your instincts shined. So when we'd sit in the pre-show meeting and with me, it usually takes a few moments where I have to go, Hey, you know, it was actually like, not a idiot is that's a really guy. So don't be difficult to work with, you know, say yes to a lot of stuff early on.

Say something. Yeah. I also think what's that say something nice about ride. So we can just get it all. No, we don't need to. I got complimented a couple weeks ago. You got a nice boat. A couple weeks ago, I'm like a camel with that shit. Yeah. I could stay up for that forever. We spent a lot of time on that and I don't know.

I don't think we answer anything, but there is no answer. I don't know, it's hard. There is no answer, very philosophical. I just think to ask, hey, I wanna be like Kyle, and it feels like you are way more motivated to not that Kyle's not motivated, but Kyle has different goals in the email or you actually don't want to be like Kyle. And I don't mean that as an insult to Kyle, right? Kyle, we're on the same page here.

Hard to make that sound good, but I know what you're saying. Yeah, right. Didn't sound good when I said it out loud, way more motivated than Kyle. So she got your shit figured out. Yeah, all right. Let's move on. Let's. From this. Should I eat my neighbor's pets?

Okay, topical. Oh. Uh-oh. All right, now that I have your attention, my English teacher would be proud of that hook. What's up guys? I guess this is where I tell you I'm six foot 165, no gym stats, but I'm typically around the 90th percentile of the Peloton leaderboard on a good day. Anyway, here's my issue.

The people who own the house across the street from me recently moved out and renters moved in. The renters have to my knowledge, four dogs, a rooster, and God knows what else living with them. Yes, a goddamn rooster. No, I do not live on a farm. We're talking a standard suburban neighborhood where the houses are fairly close together and the yards are modest in size. As far as I know, the rooster lives in the house with them and the other animals, but I've seen it casually hanging out in their front yard while a female woman who lives there mows the lawn. The rooster isn't even the problem though. I'm not waking up to cockadoodle doo at the crack of dawn every morning like I'm sure you're envisioning.

The rooster seems pretty chill, all caps, it's the dogs. These dogs are louder and are given more free rein than the literal farm animal. One of them is the little yappy asshole variety. For whatever reason, they think it's a good idea to let it roam around in their front yard off leash. Sometimes they'll be out there with it, though not paying attention at other times would be completely unsupervised.

Unsurprisingly, it doesn't choose to just hang out in the shade and keep to itself. This is the kind of dog that will bark at everything it sees. It will lose its shit if you dare to exist on your own property. It will come into my yard and try to start shit with my dog when he's in our fenced in backyard, it's even followed my family and me to the end of the street. We've gone out for a walk yapping its head the whole way, even when they have it in their backyard, which is fence by the way. It's so small and dumb that it easily gets under the fence whenever it wants to go terrorize

someone. The other dogs bark just as much, but they're actual dogs and not cats pretending to be dogs. So they're fortunately confined to the backyard at least. Now I understand that dogs are going to bark. It's sort of their thing, but what bothers me is they clearly do not care. Not only do they not bring the dogs inside when they're all barking incessantly, including at night, every night, like right fucking now, as he's writing the email, they even let the dogs stay outside when they're not home. Oh, jeez. That's bullshit, yeah. Yeah. It's not like they're

outdoor dogs, which shouldn't even be a thing. They just don't care that much. You want to know why is because they don't want the dogs inside trashing their house. Think about that. Yeah. That much is clear by them allowing Sir Yaps a lot to freely roam the neighborhoods. What do I do? I've never met these people, by the way, they aren't home a lot and frankly, didn't make a great first impression. So I wasn't exactly rushing over, by the way, they aren't home a lot and frankly,

didn't make a great first impression so I wasn't exactly rushing over a plate of fresh baked cookies. Do I do the adult thing and go over there and respectfully ask them to keep their dogs inside more often? Do I write a passive aggressive note? Do I meal prep and give Fox News something to talk about?

Whoa! Or I just suck it up and deal with it for the next year or however long these people stay. I would appreciate any advice. I'm going to say this and it's assumption, but I feel good. These are probably not the most intelligent people you're ever going to encounter. Okay. They're probably dumb people. So when you go to war with dumb, be ready. All right. Yeah. I think that's a good point.

I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. They're probably dumb people. So when you go to war with dumb, be ready.

All right. Yes, we could do the polling of one, which I despise or somebody emails in like, I have four dogs and it's totally fine. Well, congrats to you and your four fucking dogs and everything's sweet. But more often than not, I would imagine if you have four dogs in a rooster

and you're in a small neighborhood, it's not going to be sweet. All right. I don't need to look at a pie chart. I don't need to get the Pew Institute on that. Um, my guess would be more often than not, it isn't very sweet. And the fact that they don't care so much to then leave the dogs outside because they can't fuck up their place, right?

They're inside and they're living in there. You are going to be battling with people that don't care. They don't have any consideration for other people. They don't understand decency. So you need to be ready. Passive, aggressive, no waste of time. If you want to use it as like the verbal warning or the, the memo from HR, like you are parking in the wrong spot too many times, here's your first warning

on file, that kind of thing. You could do it. Doesn't really matter. You go over and talk to them. They're going to tell you to fuck off and they're going to make fun of you when you leave the house. So it sounds like in a small neighborhood, it's about community. It's about, and I don't love going. Yeah.

I don't, I don't love this move, right? Because it happened to your boy, Rosillo, when we had the pony show up to the Kentucky Derby party and there was one angsty neighbor who was upset. I'd invite his kids over to pet the pony. Um, he didn't ask if his kids had come over. You think I would have turned kids away? I fucking love kids. Nobody's podcast and likes kids as much as me. All right. Are you suggesting a secret meeting like sons of Liberty style? Yes. Yes. I'm saying you start like the UN.

You just start going door to door and be like, where are you on the dog farm over there? That's how revolutions get started. Yeah, exactly. You need allies right now. And then I think phase two is once you feel like you've built up enough, your Legion is strong, your Legion is strong, your reserves are ready at the ready, I should say. Um, you have to just make these people so miserable.

They're going to move, but you know what? They may not ever move because some fucking guy was willing to rent out his house to people with four dogs and a fucking rooster. Yeah. So I think a% this is all a lot of this hinges on the approach, right? If you if you start the I don't think matter. I think they're immune to any approach. Well, you're assuming a lot. These could be people that are unaware. Maybe they came from a city or something and they're

like, it's noisy everywhere. What the fuck? You know, they came from the city. I don't know. Maybe they got excited. They're like, we can have a rooster now. Okay, let's get some dollars. I don't I don't know. Four dogs, maybe they got excited and they're like, we can have a rooster now. Okay. Let's get some dogs. I don't, I don't know. Maybe, maybe the rooster was post city. You're right.

I don't know. It's possible. I just, I think the, the, the note is unless you're going to like start wasting police time and money by calling them every time it's, you know, 10 o'clock and the dogs are barking for, you know, longer than two minutes, whatever. I don't know if there's a rule when it becomes an actual thing, but unless you're going gonna do that, I think the no is not good.

I wonder if you could go, did the people sell the house and move, or did they just move and rent the house? Can you talk to the owner? He said it's a rental. So could you talk to, if you know the owner, can you find out, can you just be like, listen, can you be the bad guy,

and I'm not the one who has to worry about them making stink bongs out of my mailbox because they didn't like that, whatever. So if you wanna keep yourself anonymous, maybe you could call, find out who the owner of is, worry about them like making stink bongs out of my mailbox because they didn't like that I you know, whatever. So like if you want to keep yourself anonymous, maybe you could call find out who the owner of it's the same people that just moved out and started renting or it's sold or whatever. Maybe you can go there let that be the bad guy they might be breaking their

lease. I don't know if there's rooster clauses in most leases, but usually there's some sort of pet. I mean, if you want to rent an actual house where I live, it says no pets out of the time, no smoking, no pets. So like that's that could be they could be totally breaking their lease there or not. But you so maybe you just go to the people who actually own the house and let them be the bad guys. I would say that's the first thing I would do before I start, you know, I

rounding up the troops. I think that's the right call because make, you know, do they are they can you see them doing anything that is negative to the property? Like you can kind of play that into and be like, Hey, you know, they're tearing up the yard and the dogs are ruining the fence or the rooster, there's shit everywhere, like you could make it worth the landlords while to be like, what the heck's going on over there? Maybe they don't know, but I would be a pain in the ass to the landlord because

what's, you know, what's he going to do other than try to fix it. If you keep bothering him, I would imagine he's not gonna enjoy that and then you don't have to deal with the face-to-face contact from the people that you don't even wanna deal with which are the dog owners. This sucks because like, the emailer has a dog too, so it's not like they're an anti-dog person.

Although it sounds like they don't like little dogs and I would tell you, Dachshunds are actually pretty cool dogs. Well, it sounds like this dog sucks based on the evidence. Maybe, maybe, but like all dogs, any kind of breed sucks. They all have positives and negatives. If you don't train them properly, and clearly none of these dogs seem trained,

they probably just get let outside and they do what they want. I'm surprised she's even mowing her lawn with four dogs romping around all the time. What could be left? Imagine the seating, pal. Yeah, it's natural fertilizer. There you go. I think once you put a face to the name,

if you're upset, even if everyone else is upset, once you put a face to them and they're like, that's the guy that hates me, if other people start bothering things. So that's the one, the one reason, these people are renters are probably not in for the long haul. They're definitely, they could leave at any time.

It's not like, oh, we're just gonna be stuck with these people for 20 years. So they might not be interested in putting down good roots with everyone. So I just think if you decide to like go over there and have a conversation, we're assuming a lot about these people, they might be cool to be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

But I think once you put, like you're the guy who's upset, if other people in neighborhoods start doing stuff, like calling cops, you just might get the bad rap and then they might just have this vendetta for you and they might be willing to do shit you're not willing to do so I mean I maybe that's the scary version of it where maybe I'm assuming a lot but I would definitely try to go to the landlord first once they know you're the guy that's got a problem with them they might just start blaming you for everything that happens yeah but does that really matter though like if they're

renting and if they are clearly in the wrong So like for example my at my old house, I've told the story I had by my neighbor We didn't really like each other But I also kind of found out that nobody else in the neighborhood likes a person either guy, right? Yeah, so we had dogs they would bark. I mean, you know dogs bark whatever I don't leave them outside for hours barking They'd bark maybe for five minutes during the course of a day and he would complain about it He's called the cop he had called the cops before it's he's just he's just a curmudgeon

It is what it is talk to the neighbor behind me who had lived there long before we did and they're like, oh, yeah Same shit happened to us. He called the cops that lady was like I was afraid he was gonna drop like, you know A piece of steak with some rat poison in it because he was like back scary of a dude So you're like, oh, I'm not the crazy person, but that guy's the crazy person. So I feel like even if you're the, the, the face of whatever, you know, bad thing to these people, it doesn't matter because you're right. And they suck. So who cares? What are they going to do to you? I mean, can it get any worse?

Like what are they going to put the dogs in your yard? So there's a list of stuff that that would suck that they could do, but I mean, they're total wild cards, who knows? Yeah, like maybe, but I don't know. Obviously you'd know who to then. Then you have a real like, you know, rooster is a wild card. If you bring a rooster into the suburbs, that's an absolute wild card.

Even with roosters, yeah, they're capable of anything. Those are like the black Air Force ones of neighbors. You're like, I don't know what that guy's capable of. Just these people don't clean out their land in the dryer. No, no, definitely not. No, I don't know what that guy's capable of. Just these people don't clean out their lint in the dryer. No, no, definitely not. No, I don't do that. I hate to even bring this up because we know my position on.

The H.O.A. over. OK, what are you going to say? I don't know. If it's just a neighborhood and there's no HOA, then there's no HOA, and there's actually a lot of great things about that. But if there were one, it's like, what do we pay you for? You're supposed to get involved. I know me suggesting HOA as a solution is like

Logan Roy vacationing with Elizabeth Warren. I don't know. I don't rent an HOA. I mean, you could rent a house in an HOA. I don't know. I don't rent an HOA. I mean, you could rent a house in an HOA. I don't know. I guess maybe. Yes. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, there's different limitations on it. Actually, the first place I lived in in Manhattan beach, it was like a five person HOA. And then I was running it out when I moved. And then the other four people voted that no one could rent out of anything anymore. I was like, gee, that seems rather targeted.

It's like, you guys really just did that. Like, well, you didn't show up to the meeting. I was like, because I went to a couple of them fucking sat there for two and a half hours talking about gutters and shit. Like I got stuff to do. It's games on. A two hour five person meeting, that sounds awful.

They were so long. I was like, I'm not doing these again. It's pretty brutal. And that's what happens, you know, lose your vote. There's a lesson in there. You know, don't take the right to vote lightly. Next thing you know, you come back, like what are the new rules?

Like, oh, so the rules about my unit, mine. I was like, great. And then anyway, the last renter I had in there was such an asshole that, I mean, they took the mattress covers off the mattresses, pissed stains on them, ruined multiple pieces of furniture. I mean, it was a joke. And it just makes you go like,

I never wanna do this again. And what the fuck is this? This question is not about renting out properties. Man, long life advice. Yeah. Not great. Let's end it right now. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Oregon.

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