The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Week 6 Recap With Chris Long | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

Episode Date: October 14, 2019

Russillo is joined by two-time Super Bowl champion Chris Long to discuss NFL Week 6, including Deshaun Watson and the Texans pulling out a win at Kansas City, the Cowboys' loss to a scrappy Jets team, questionable officiating, best/worst plane rides, an NFC East check-in, “What’s wrong with the Chargers?,” possible trades as the deadline approaches, the undefeated 49ers, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

the ryan rossillo podcast on the ringer network with chris long every monday and we are all over it headlines misleading wins plane rides irresponsible questions and now chris and i are facetiming each other so he's putting his notes up in front of the screen so i don't know if he was trying to phase me out there a little bit i was trying to talk with you you did and you did you did it well but there's a lot of notes there a lot of notes handwritten long form today's episode of the ryan rossillo show is brought to you by state farm if you're fumbling with insurance state farm agents are here to help because with over 19 000 agents they're local to you and available to help, whether you connect in person by phone or through the State Farm app. Agents are here to help, so go with the one that has coverage and agents you can count on.

State Farm, talk to an agent today. Now the next presenting sponsor of this podcast with Chris. And I gave out a State Farm thing last week where I was like, you know, Mahomes, I think he's right there. He's the number one guy, but the way Deshaun Watson has been playing, if you're really watching what he's doing, this is insane. And I can't believe I said a safe bet because they were basically, it was like a state farm thing. Chris were like, Hey, come up with a safe bet. And I said, Watson down in kansas city and i felt so stupid all week because i was like that's not really i don't think that's playing to what they wanted they wanted like a

safe bet yeah and it worked out that would have been that would it would have been much better um as like a hot take maybe like yeah you know uh weber grill hot take okay but weber is not the presenting sponsor so you just have to be you have to be careful throwing that stuff out there when state farm's the one paying the bill yeah you're right i mean we can yeah i mean you're you're great at this stuff the ad reads the uh corporate responsibility so yeah i'll leave that to you all right your your headline's awesome i'm just gonna go first because yours is very revealing because there's a lot of stuff going on, a lot of dudes upset about flags, what's going on, conspiracy theories, earpieces, James Bond-type stuff. So that's going to be your go-to, right, your headline?

You're going to talk officiating? Yes, yes it is. I love talking officiating. I couldn't do it for 11 years. I'm looking forward to it, just dumping on these guys. Okay, I may push back a little bit. My headline is Deshaun Watson going down into Kansas City and winning this game. It could not have gotten off to a worse start.

Well, actually, it almost did because there was a forward progress whistle that was blown, and it was almost going to be 17-3 off a couple turnovers. And it's not just Watson's raw numbers. You know, he actually did have a couple picks. I think one is on him. We go through the drops and all this different stuff. It's just the fact that Watson is walking into any of these stadiums as a dude that maybe is as in control of his game as much as any quarterback in the entire league. And I know that sounds like,

and I'm not saying he's better than Mahomes. I'm not doing that already. I'm not anointing him better than Mahomes because he went to Kansas city, won this game. But there's just a bunch of things that I see from this game that Watson, I feel like is at that level that he's in that tier now for Kansas City it's a lot easier playing defense when you know you're getting five touchdowns from your quarterback every single time I thought it was interesting that Bill O'Brien who you know gets ripped quite a bit um Bill O'Brien who said you know going up at Kansas City that's why we went for it in fourth down so much and they went for it late when they could have gone up 10. They ended up getting the other score and closing out the game. And it made me think, Chris, like, wait a minute.

If you think like, hey, this game we need to do whatever we can to score, why are you not going for fourth down as much in other games? Maybe San Francisco would say that's exactly why we don't have to because of our defense. So the point that I'm trying to make, the biggest headline of it all, and I felt this really now for a couple weeks, he hasn't been sacked in back-to-back weeks after being sacked 18 times the first four games. So that's a huge part of it. But when I think of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL right now, and it's not just raw stats, it's not just overnight stuff,

but I would go Mahomes. I don't know what order this is in. It's Watson Watson it's Wilson um I put Rodgers in there and I think you got to go with the GOAT Brady as just the honorary fifth of the top five quarterbacks because even though statistically it isn't as good as the other guys and he's looked bad slash old in the first half of the previous two games against the Giants and the Redskins you just know if it's a game that you need to win you're not getting to a list longer than five guys before you get to Brady so that's kind of how I look at it walking Walking in on a Sunday or a playoff game, those are the five guys. And maybe this is late for other people that love Watson, but it's kind of like, I feel like this wake-up call that as great as Mahomes is, like Watson needs to be

understood and is appreciated as much because he's been incredible. Yeah, man, where have you been? This is like when you hit me with the, where have you on cd lamb who i i've always loved to cd cd lamb and i go to claim my my you know i've been on the bandwagon on cd lamb and you totally stood me up on twitter and people bought it uh anyways i think i think with watson he's definitely in the conversation to be a top five quarterback we're being very reactionary as we do because he's been brilliant lately. But if we're talking about right now, he is a top five quarterback. The only guy I would like to put in that conversation

would be Carson Wentz. I know that some people look at me like a homer, but this guy literally makes magic happen. He looks healthy. He's looked different all year. He's suffered a lot of drops. He's suffered a lot of misfortune, some injury, and he's looked really good. You know, juxtaposed to Tom Brady's two games where he's looked shaky,

Carson's looked very good in losses lately. So I think when you look at this game, you look at Kansas City and everybody's talking about their defense and that's fine. But how can you be mad at a defense that was built this way. It was literally engineered to be just this unit, which is their winning is predicated on the offense rolling. And when their offense is not rolling, even if it's at 80%, the defense is going to be exposed a bit. I mean, they've given up a ton on the ground, 400 yards the last two games. Spag's defense is kind of, you look at Spag's the past few stops, it's like since the New York thing, I'm not sure. And I really like Spag's defense is kind of, you look at Spag's the past few stops, it's like since the New York thing, I'm not sure. And I really like Spag's, but the results are not great.

They just get exposed a little bit when Kansas City's down offensively. Listen, Kansas City's bottom third and red zone offense at 52%. They've broken that streak of 25 games with 25 points. That's old news now. It's been two games in a row they've been under. And Mahomes has just not looked the same since the ankle injury. It won 41 before, 80 after. It could be as simple as Mahomes isn't healthy.

And when everything centers around Mahomes and the offense is functioning at 75%, the issues are going to get magnified. You shipped your best rushers out. You're expecting Frank Clark to be Lawrence Taylor because you paid him. But Chris Jones isn't healthy. And you don't have an edge rusher opposite him. So I think the bigger question

when you come away from this game is not to me, is Kansas City in trouble? They'll be back. It's can the Texans match up against the likes of New England and Kansas City in a playoff game? And I actually think the Texans can match up pretty well with New England this year. And by the way, everybody looks at this, and last year we joked,

it was almost an irresponsible question. Colts, did they set the blueprint for beating Kansas City, right? Well, the Texans went in and did the same fucking thing. I mean, they've given up damn near 40 minutes of time of possession the last two weeks. And that's what the Texans did. And by the way, it's not Indy's blueprint, it's New England's. If you look at the six best games as far as keeping Kansas City off the field in this little Mahomes era, it's been New England three times. So they're the ones setting the blueprint. And what's important is figuring out

how does Houston match up against these teams? And I think they do pretty well. I don't think it's an aberration. Yeah, my feeling isn't even though I look, I agree completely in the Mahomes ankle thing. It was it was fairly obvious watching him kind of slide left to right throughout, you know, his mobility in the pocket as opposed to getting out and running that that's a problem. throughout his mobility in the pocket as opposed to getting out and running, that that's a problem. And no Chris Jones. I mean, that game was entirely different.

It was automatic. Chris Jones, I feel like, is one of the most underrated guys, and that happens with interior alignment. It's always going to happen. But Jones, as soon as he was out of the Colts game, it was a different kind of game defensively for Kansas City. But this is more about a pro-Watson thing, and I am stubborn.

I take too long because I think there's too many times where we're like, Oh, look at this quarterback. This is amazing. Like the Daniel Jones stuff. Now, what are we supposed to do with that? You know,

Lamar Jackson, the first couple of weeks, he ran it all over Cincinnati yesterday. It was unbelievable. But is it, but is it, is it like, Hey,

Lamar is going to be your guy for 10 years. And now it looked that way after the first two weeks, I am, I'm not, you know what? I'm not actually not going to criticize myself. Like, it's not that I'm slower. It's that I'm just patient with all of this stuff when it comes to quarterbacks. So for me to say like, Hey, these last couple of weeks I've been watching Watson and just go, you know, this is nuts. All the sacks early, they should have won

that saints game. You know, they could be five and one through all this. So yeah, I look at Houston now in an AFC conference where we were trying to figure out like who the third best team was just a couple weeks ago Chris we're going all right we know it's Kansas City we know it's New England but man yeah and I was by the way I couldn't sleep last night after that fucking Chargers game I said the Chargers might be the best the third best team in the AFC I got to eat that one geez oh my god dude it's like what's going on there anyways. Uh, so I look at this and, and, and you, you mentioned Chris Jones being underrated. I think that's cause he wears a loose Jersey. I don't know if you ever, if, and he's pro he looks like the prototypical three, four end.

I think his swag is a little bit, it's a little bit questionable. I think that affects how he's, he's properly rated. Um, but yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait wait isn't it before before you get off the jersey thing because we know sam bradford's your guy sammy sleeves i really feel like sam would have like look not being healthy was the biggest thing that got in the way but if he had worn a different jersey instead of a guy that looked like sleeves yeah like the sleeves and then the helmet he just always looked like a 12-year-old that was like, I don't even want to play, but my dad was in the Marines. He's like the dad from the fan, De Niro, in the van.

Shout out. Cussing him out over Keith. Was he cussing him out over Keith Richards or somebody else? That was an interesting watch. It was real rainy and dark in that last. Way too rainy not to rain that game out. One of my biggest pet peeves in film history was that they really should have delayed that baseball game at the end. You couldn't even see the crowd. Anyways, I digress. Chris Jones is pretty good. You know who else is looking all right right now is Bill

O'Brien. You know, they're doing all this without a GM in Houston. They took a beating for everything they did in the offseason and with the trade for Tunsell and Stills. But Stills has helped them. I know he's had some health issues as of late, but Tunsell's helped him and they've been able to get the play action going a lot more. He only got hit twice yesterday. That's a far cry from last year. When we got ready to play them, we were like, oh, it's dinner time, dude. These fucking guys can't protect. Really? Yeah. And this year, I don't think- How excited do guys get? Well, the trade-off is, and this happens a lot with mobile quarterbacks like a russell wilson or deshaun watson people ask who's really hard to sack it's not that simple

because a lot of times some of these most mobile mobile quarterbacks have shitty old lines and is that chicken or the egg i don't know which one but it's really easy to get to him and they might extend plays but it's really it's a really tough So as a rusher, you look at a game like a Watson or like a Russell Wilson and be like, hey, we're going to get some opportunities, but you're going to miss them too. And I missed Watson last year. It would have been my third sack of the game

and it would have been a half million dollar bonus. And I just missed him. No way! Yeah, yeah. I missed him. Did you know Yeah, yeah. I missed him. Did you know immediately that just cost me half a million dollars? Yeah, but I also had no idea that I would have probably gambled it away on college football this year as a retired athlete.

So it really doesn't matter. But yeah, Bill and the Texans, man man they come out of this looking all right they're another group that looked like shit along with gruden and mayock that people were turning into like basically a meme and here they are sitting third in the afc and they just beat kansas city at arrowhead they're actually uh with that game they're the two seed so they would be two seed yeah as of yeah so i mean you have to look at things like you're talking about this team as if they're going to get a home playoff game possibly a buy and can they match up against the likes of new england in december and in january actually

okay let's go with your headline because i think this is going to be really interesting for a lot of people yeah uh like i said i want to bitch about the officiating like we all did yesterday on twitter.com uh the game we just discussed was kind of decided not directly by a blown call uh but it's certainly factored in uh we all know the play we're talking about unless you lived under a rock yesterday 17 to 9 the second with about eight minutes to go Mahomes basically sees Johnson Jr. holding Kelsey before the ball is thrown. And in his mind, I guess you could say, why wouldn't he throw it in the area of a receiver? Well, number one, he might think Kelsey's going to break his route off in the end zone if he's not held and interfered with. And he's hobbled. So he might want to just burn the ball,

knowing that he sees that flag. And the line judge is really who screwed this up. The line judge calls what turns out to be DPI and not holding. So after they're about to line up and give them a first down, the refs confer. And PFT has broken, not PFT commenter, actual PFT has broken the story that it wasn't the replay official. And the replay official generally is there to weigh in on technicalities like the clock and stuff, not judgment calls. So the theory that's being floated is that as they're setting up for a first down, which would have changed the whole game if it's not an interception, that the league,

345 Park Avenue, chimes in on whatever device that they're doing in conspiracy world and calling and trying to get Mahomes off the field, which I don't know how that's good for the league necessarily, unless you think a Houston win is big. And they say it's DPI. And because it's DPI, it's not catchable. And the flag comes up and the interception stands. Houston goes on to score. Long drive there and it's a one touchdown win. They win, I think, 34-27. This game probably looks a lot different if that doesn't happen. And that's just the fact of the matter. Now the line judge screwed it up in the first place, but the back judge needs to have his back.

No pun intended. He needs to change that call. And this is from a source that I trust very much in the league who has officiating knowledge and deals almost entirely with that world, says that the line judge made the wrong call and not calling it holding. The back judge didn't back him up. And then Hockley's son, I think it's Steve Hockley is his name, it's his crew and Steve is is a bit of a control freak when it comes to his crew and probably huddled them up and in some

capacity they're communicating on their little radios and their earpieces and it's not New York at all it's actually the crew communicating with each other and so it's other guys so sorry to jump in so when Hockley the the crew chief is touching his earpiece and people are trying to turn this into like some James Bond type shit this is just other guys on his crew at another position on the field instead of everyone having to huddle up is that what you're telling me that's what I'm hearing that's what I'm hearing I'm hearing that it was indeed not the Wizard of Oz it was everybody on the field and they're, this isn't sitting well with me. This is DPI. And because it's uncatchable, the premise that we're operating on is that it's DPI and not holding, which it should have been. Your guy Warren Sharp had a nice little tweet where he

broke down the exact time that the ball left Mahomes' hand and the exact time that Johnson Jr. has his hands draped on Kelsey's shoulder pads, which means it's holding. There should be two flags on that play for holding and DPI. And of course, because there was only one incorrectly by the letter of the law, they thought they did the right thing. Now let's add this to the equation, which is probably that if Kelsey's not held and interfered with, he might catch the ball or be in the area of the throw in the end zone. So there's a whole bunch of issues. Number one, bad call by the line judge, failure by the back judge, not backing him up. Number two, it might've won the Texans the game and they went on a drive to score. And number three, it's no conspiracy. I don't think it's just shitty

officiating. And there was a lot of shitty officiating yesterday, Cleveland, Seattle. Let's just jump into the conspiracy thing though though because we could come up with 10 different conspiracy theories they'd all be wrong okay like there's there's no version of this where the nfl is like you know we really need houston in that two-seat spot we really need that two-seat spot now the holding thing i think is important to point out because that can be called everywhere whereas the pi on this is like well no that's the intended receiver because it's clearly a hold. But then I thought at the end, Kelsey was selling it more. And then I don't know if that ends up hurting his cause because I don't think really Kelsey would be pulled down by that guy. I could be wrong on that whole thing.

If you're chief saying anything, I'm completely wrong. But as you said, like, there's just a bunch of bad flags and everybody is upset about this today. I'll admit like late Sunday when the flags keep flying out like that last cowboys jets drive where i'm like my god guys this is unwatchable i still would like to know what's what's the better version like i know i interrupted you there so pick up the point but i i'd like to ask well it's just hey man i think the nba is about to start and i know what's going to happen all everybody's going to do is bitch. Everybody bitches about VAR and soccer, okay?

MLB replay other than home run. So as everybody tries to turn it into the NFL's – like I always ask when the mob is pushing and saying, oh, this sucks, this sucks, this sucks, this sucks. Is there some secret way better version of this that exists that the NFL just refuses to do? Because that would seem kind of stupid. Well, to me, this just is something that's simple, right?

I mean, I would understand if their judgment calls. As camera angles increase, as our access to the close-ups and slow motion increase, so do our threshold for seeing something calling a bad call. And the league is trying to catch up and, you know, mitigate by creating things like the DPI review, you know, review. I remember when review came in, everybody was like, football is going to be unwatchable. Now it's like, how can we review that?

I want to review another one this quarter. I'd like zero. No, I mean, I know you'd like zero. But I think in this situation, it's avoidable. And then yesterday, they're very basic fucking things, man. Like Seattle is about to go ahead on the Carson touchdown run, and there's a false start by the guard. The Metcalf catch, which they couldn't review

because coordinator face pulled a bevel, basically, and reviewed, you know, threw a challenge flag that was overturned and then ended up not having it when he needed it on the Metcalf catch. And then the Landry block in the back was bad. If you're a Cleveland fan, I know you didn't play great, but you've got to be pissed off. And then swirling around all this, this is the problem. If it were one or two things, it's all over the board.

The PI reviews, less than 10% get overturned. That's why when you watch a game like Philly yesterday and Nelly and Waynes are going at it down the field and it looks like PI, Doug's not going to throw that flag because he saw what happened to Golden Tate on Thursday night against the Pats. So you got the PI reviews, which are turning over at less than 10%. The roughing in Denver that changed their season, possibly, in the Chicago game, the Bradley Chubb call. And then they're killing the onside kick. Yep, the roughing against Lamar.

They're killing the onside kick. You know, 0 for 16 on onside kicks this year. The only way you get the ball back is if the other team bobbles it. So there's a lot going on with rules and officiating. I think, you know, the sum of all parts is pushing this thing into becoming kind of a narrative that we haven't seen discussed since the replacement refs. Well, I mean, we saw the LA, I mean, there's the LA, there's the LA debacle last year too, which we've tried to fix and we can't even fix. So I would, I would argue that yeah, football is the hardest to officiate, but we've had the most bullshit happen in our sport.

that yeah football is the hardest to officiate but we've had the most bullshit happen in our sport i think we've had the most bullshit happen on the grandest stage because nothing is missed like everybody is seeing everything because the games are basically all on one day except for the monday and thursdays and when those are the games those are the only games you have on so um you know i don't want to turn it into a debate of what's harder to officiate basketball with huge guys where you could make everything a foul versus you know all the holding stuff that you guys deal with but um i'm just not i'm not huge into officiating twitter i'm just not i'm just not every now and then i'm not i'm right i'm not into twitter generally but but when you look at basketball things seem less impactful although they are like one one free throw in the second quarter yeah there's a

so with football naturally there's less possessions everything's gonna be magnified and the camera angles are great this this this uh year so do you have i mean all you guys think everybody's out to get you right so would you would you be talking to refs the whole game no it's not that. Refs are not out to get all of us. They're out to get the defense. I mean, that's just, they're not out to get everybody. But they want scoring.

And, you know, holding doesn't exist anymore in the NFL. I mean, if you look at holding figures. They did for a couple weeks. They did for a couple weeks, but then the kibosh was put on that. It's unbelievable. It completely dropped out. I actually am not as upset about the PI reviews. I'm more happy that people got it, and now they're mad they have it because it's not going the way they wanted,

where I feel like the league's doing the right thing because I was afraid when they were going to review it, everything in slow motion looks like PI, and they're basically saying it has to be egregious. Or it has to be egregious for us to go ahead and overturn something, which has always kind of been the case on the play stands versus the plays confirmed. I don't like that though, because when it comes to, you know, PI in slow motion, it's clearer to see than Bradley Chubb losing the ball on a pile of people or, you know, like,

you know, where did the ball come down and the camera angles three quarters is it a first down is it a touchdown it seems a lot more exact looking at pi than it does placement of the ball you want to do plane rides i love plane rides okay people do people are starting to get involved hit us us up on Twitter if you want to throw your best and worst plane rides of the weekend out there. And then we have the NFC East. So we touched on it very, very little there with Philly. So we should do that. And then we get misleading questions. So we've got a bunch of stuff to get to. All right. Give me your best plane ride. Detroit Lions fans are getting cocky when I retweeted a Texans fan that said I think we got the best plane ride of the week they said well I know you're not clairvoyant so you haven't seen our big win coming on Monday night I was like holy shit Detroit they've been waiting for this but I think it's Houston uh you realize you guys are really good they're a top three team in the AFC like we talked about the only thing that sucks about that ride is that the settlers in Kansas city, whenever they like settled that city and like

wagons, Oregon trail style, wherever they picked the airport, it was the worst fucking decision. That airport is a solid hour outside of the city and it's not even close to the stadium either. So that big win, you're feeling good. You got to wait like three hours to get on the plane um the only good thing about that is a short flight plenty of time to get in the streets when you get home in the h you just you break it down from such a unique angle on this one um because you almost didn't want to give it to houston because of airport location which is a weird disqualifier it's one of the worst airport locations. And I haven't been in the terminal from a commercial standpoint,

only on team charters, but gosh, they have to have some of the finest airport sushi in the world. Some of the best shopping I'm imagining Prada and, uh, you know, all types of high-class stores in there for, to justify the airport being in missouri i mean it's fucking it's a long way away yeah no i mean i was at a i was at that atlantic city borgata there and they had the best hugo boss i mean i've ever seen so that's what i'm imagining in the kansas city airport listeners tell me if that if that's the reality the denver

airport's actually in utah which sucks um you've seen the mural yeah i've been through it all i mean i've been at denver airport a million times what do you think have you been in the basement with the illuminati no the illuminati you know the mural i'm talking about it do you know the mural i'm talking about it's like an apocalyptic mural i'm like riding the fucking the thing you ride when you're too lazy to walk and you're like you look to the left to see when your plane's boarding and you're like oh genocide like that's what that's what's featured on the and then you read the shit on the you read the shit about like in the basement there's like you know rept aliens. Shout out to Sturgill. I mean, Denver airport creeps me out.

It's a great airport, but what's going on there? You think it's, see, I like the vibe in there. I've not been, they know media. I'll blow the whole case open. So they haven't let me into the basement. Um, but there's like a big conspiracy that I don't even think is like as weird as the alien stuff is that it was put out there because there was a politician that had land interest in that area. And it's just you just it's just those times when it's a Sunday and you got to get out of Denver and you're like, oh, great.

It's going to take an hour to get here. I'll give you a bad one. Las Vegas. Anybody leaving Las Vegas generally is at a crossroads and they got the slots. Like if you're playing slots in the Vegas airport on the way out. Yeah. Call that hotline. I can understand landing. You're hot. You're right off. You're right off the plane. You want to get, you want to get the juices going. But if you're sitting there being like, I'm down to my last 20 playing slots with a Duncan's going. Um, although I don't know if duncans i doubt that's that's in the airport

i've spent some time go hug go hug your fucking kid go home hug your kid no one wins in vegas if you don't have it you do what you did and you pose with someone else's kid on instagram like you did yesterday so you texted me last night i think you went to a baby shower or something no it wasn't a baby the baby exists the baby's now one so it was my niece oh yeah baby showers happen when the before the baby yeah right they rarely they rarely happen a year after the birth i don't i don't believe so i don't know i've never i've never baby showers they just have like prop babies sitting around it's like this is what your baby will probably look like yes pose with this baby

here you go and just get ready get ready for some of these poses and then when it starts losing its mind it's not gonna seem that weird okay i'll do best plane ride now uh it is washington leaving miami and i know people can say whatever it's a Dolphins dude I this is you are going to back me on this answer you don't even know what I'm going to say but to be a professional to hit each other for weeks to go through all this crap in late July and be one of the laughing stocks of the NFL I don't care who you beat with everything that you've had to go through as a member of that organization to be a player to get on that plane and get that first W, has to feel amazing. And you shouldn't be apologizing because you beat Miami.

Generally, I would agree with you. I mean, I've been on a lot of bad teams that had wins like that middle of the season. Maybe the first one, one we're feeling good about. I know it was just the Dolphins, but I bet you if you turn on that game, and very few people will, justifiably, and roll the tape back,

guys are playing their fucking asses off because it means a lot to everybody in the organization you do put a lot of time in i know they're pros and they get paid but it means a lot so congrats to the guys in washington i think i feel bad for the guys in in in miami because i think they were probably tanking with that two point call uh but washington the caveat is they played that you don't really I mean it was a terrible timing it's terrible call when it was happening before the play happened I go if you really are tanking don't you I remember the Pats threw it out of the back of the end zone once but that was in playoff seating well a lot can go wrong if you go to overtime. You can just fuck this whole thing up in just an instant. If you just call a bubble screen or whatever they call it.

Um, I think the caveat though, is that Washington, uh, blew the possibly the two, uh, and the Herbert sweepstakes. And I know we talked about,

you know, the master plan there should be if the new coach coming in doesn't like Haskins, you could make them Rosen 2.0. Looks like not anymore. Cause Callahan is going to right the ship and run the ball. Going to run it. He's going to run the ball.

The stats show that when you run it more, you win. I'm like, I remember that was like – that's like one of those I remember my first beer NFL stat moments because that's like the most telling on yourself pre sabermetrics thing ever where you're like dude you know 2003 talking pat some guy being a pregame pregame show you're like they're they're 14 and 2 25 attempts or more and you just go because they're winning it's so stupid it's it's the dumbest stat. I think Callahan, yeah, I mean, there's nothing. Analytics Twitter just ripped him to shreds like the crocodiles in Indiana Jones when they threw that guy off the cliff. That was Bill Callahan after that press conference.

NFL Analytics Twitter is ruthless. You were on the movie one today. I love it. I love movies. Worst plane ride. I'm going with dallas uh even jerry on his giant plane you know it's a night game probably gets lonely on that g6 um jera and then i think the rest of the team probably was absolutely miserable because they're

going to go home and get their their shit kicked in and practice for three days and the dallas media and steven a and all that stuff that's a good one there's uh there's an incredible stat here i'm going to read this for you all right because i did screen grab this one because we're having some tech issues here on the screen grabs nfl teams are 90-1 since 1991 when they win time of possession, total yards, the turnover margin, pick up 25 first downs, and convert at least 10 or more third down attempts. Dallas' loss to the Jets is the one loss since 1991.

Just right in your dome with some facts. We're going to get to Dallas in a second. I'm going to get to you real in a second i'm gonna get you real quick i need a i need just a little leniency here on the worst plane ride but i'm gonna switch it up i'm gonna say worst ride is philip rivers in his van solo from la back down to san diego because that was a pittsburgh home game down the street from me here. This Chargers thing is a mess, although because it is NFL law that the last possession has to almost be Rivers running around trying to save the game, trying to save his life.

I can't believe how close it is to happening. It feels like every game for him now for years and years and years. But they were down 24-1 or do you know 20 21 nothing like that short field and a couple of them good long drive by the back up there for the steelers so i think that van drive was a was a tough one you got beat by a guy named duck his name's duck well he's a duck hunting champ okay so i'm so his name really isn't duck i mean it's devlin right but is his nickname hodges yeah no i don't i just started seeing the duck tweets this week and then he it was part of the broadcast last night that he was just when it came to calling ducks this this fucking kid

brought the pain he brought the whole gaggle the fucking uh but yeah rivers had to climb in that conversion van. And by the way, when he gets home, he's got to take care of all his kids after a loss, which sucks. And hey, I feel for my man. I love Phillip Rivers. He's a Hall of Famer. But you're right. The NFL has needed like, it's almost like wrestling.

Wrestling needs a heel. You know, the NFL needs a guy that when the sun's going down and you got your Sunday scaries and we've talked about this, you turn on the TV. It's kind of like supposedly going to ease your troubles from the weekend a little bit because you'll feel a little bit better watching Philip Rivers run around and be in shitty situations as the sun goes down on Sunday nights. More with Chris in a second. The Google Assistant is ready to help you get more done with just your voice in the car, at home, and everywhere you take your phone. Like when I'm at the gym, I can just say, hey, Google Music, play some workout music. A little help, hands-free, just say, hey, Google, to get started.

Let's get your NFC East deal here, right? Because we could do the Dallas thing first. We can do the Philly thing first because Philly got diced up. I thought they had a chance to get back in that game and then they did and then as soon as their defense it was almost like Minnesota's like wait you guys are you still think this is a game okay we're just going to throw it over the top of you again and make this even worse so the NFC East as it stands now we can write off Washington I'll give the plucky Giants some credit for being competitive in the first half basically missing every skill guy other than Daniel Jones so I so i'm not down on daniel jones i actually was more impressed even

though he didn't play well uh nfc east the floor is yours well i think it's it's um it's ugly but it's not it's not ugly from a standpoint of that either of these teams are out of it or going to be out of it if they lose and i'm talking about obviously the two team race with dallas and philadelphia right now they play each other this coming sunday night in dallas i don't think the loser has to hit the uh the panic button i mean there's there's panic in general but there's not like our season's over this isn't a must win i i just want to say that i know doug peterson This isn't a must win. I just want to say that. I know Doug Peterson said it's a must win and we're going to go and win. Yeah, he basically guaranteed it.

I love what he's doing because he's taking the pressure off the players, but he's laying down the gauntlet. Like, listen, if you're about to fight somebody and you're like, I'm going to kick your ass, like, you know, and you talk shit leading up and it's on national TV, the onus is on you to go do it. Now, if a player does that, he's out on the field and people are going to be taking shots at him. There's going to be pressure. He's going to put his position group under fire in the media. I like what Doug did because Doug put it on himself and Doug's going to get the best out

of the Eagles on Sunday night. I think when you look at these two teams, they've had injuries. I think Dallas, you look at yesterday, two tackles down, Cooper's out. We saw what a big deal Cooper's trade was last year. Let's not just act like that wasn't who they were before they traded for Cooper. So if you play without Cooper, it's a big deal. They missed a field goal. They went for it on fourth and two and ran like a fucking option. Uh, they took a timeout before that last score for no reason. So couldn't kick it off and, and, and, and call three timeouts. They had all their timeouts offense looked like Garrett again, Romo made a joke about it on air. Uh, former players were chiming in on Twitter. I think Orlovsky who's funny as shit said, uh, actually it looks like Linehan. Um, and Garrett obviously had the, the, the no high fives video

that's gone viral. My source in Dallas, somebody I've known a long time, uh, that's played there a long time. Um, people in Dallas say that it's a physical tough place to, to practice. people in Dallas say that it's a physical, tough place to practice. And I think sometimes when teams lose, like they have, coaches panic. They get tougher on the players. They practice harder. They run them into the ground. And the team I saw last night looked beat up and defeated.

And that doesn't make sense because they're really still a pretty good team, and it's early. The Jets deserve a lot of credit. We can get to that. Fireman, whatever, Ed, is that his name? Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen him in a while. He looked like he was back out last night. He looked like he was passing a kidney stone.

He was so fucking excited. Met life was loud. Jets and Giants could be fun, but I'm not going to panic about Dallas. Are you panicking about Dallas? This thing we're going to do a little bit later, because I do have this kind of like feeling now that we're, we're this far in where you go, what was a misleading result where you go, wait a minute, I thought this after that team, like, Hey, that was a bad loss or wow, that's a really impressive win. And now that we have more data, basically, you can start saying,

oh, man, that almost threw me off the scent. I was starting to wonder if Dallas was maybe that team because you look at the offense in 3-0, but let's face it. I mean, the Giants with Eli still, the Redskins before, they tightened up that group and got that ball rolling. So that was pre-successful Redskins. I'm being facetious here. And then the Dolphins.

So those are your three games. Hey, you know what's weird? They weren't great in that Dolphins game. So maybe we should have looked at that Dolphins game as more of a sign, but they got smashed by Green Bay. I don't give a bleep about any. I don't know. I just said it myself.

But I don't care about any of the offensive numbers or whatever. That game was ugly. They were dominated. And then this game, they're down. They gave up. I mean, granted, they had a better second half and the Jets only scored three in the second half but they those are like good drives and Darnold also had another pick deep on another almost red zone position I think it was actually in the red zone

and you know I I was happy to see Darnold back out there remind me of a guy that I still have hope for the Jets fans should still have hope for there's actually talent on this Jets defense we all know that Jamal Adams is all over the place. It's unbelievable. Their D-line has nice players. So, like, I had this sneaky kind of flirtation with, like, you know, the Jets are kind of, you know, on a talented team, but I don't know if the O-line's good enough.

We'll see what happens. Then Luke Falk is starting two games. So then that part's over. But the Dallas anomaly of the stats that I've just pointed out makes me think that I'm supposed to still hang on. But I think what it is is very much like a lot of these quarterback stories, is that Dak was not all-world, new version, best quarterback in the NFL or maybe a top three guy. He's somebody who's going to struggle. And the Ezekiel Elliott thing is just evidence piece infinity why paying these running backs is so stupid because they just

don't carry you they don't really change who you are that much other than what i've seen from mcafree at least yeah um with carolina outlier in a lot of ways outlier in a lot of ways okay what was your favorite mcafree nickname on that thread we saw dairy sanders was one i love dairy sanders dairy sanders is so good. Somebody, somebody said white Panther. And I was like, let me just, let me just check out. I'm going to avoid rolling out the white Panther nickname, but I agree with you. Um, you know, the Zeke thing, listen, it's hard. Cause a guy wants to go get his and like he's market value. He's worth that, but I'm not knocking Zeke at all. He played. He and his guys played it brilliantly because they got the one contract from the only owner

that would do it and they knew it and it worked out. But it's still, you know. No, it's and it's tough. It's tough because I like that. I like Dak. But Dak is not a top five quarterback. We talked about that. Dak has some limitations.

Leadership is not one. Toughness is not one. He looked good at times yesterday. But I think the story, when you look at Dallas and Philly, and we'll get to Philly in a second, is they're going to play each other on Sunday night and the loser's not going to be out of it. And they won't be out of it likely all year because it's a two-team race in the NFC East. And both teams, if they slide in the playoffs, can beat anybody. And I don't care what I've seen so far. What I saw last year was Dallas started three and five,

and the Eagles started four and six. And those were two teams that you didn't want to see in the playoffs, especially the Eagles. A drop pass, a fake punt, a couple things away from being in that NFC Championship game once again so I think you know we'll see them battle it out on Sunday night it could be it could be ugly I think Dallas is going to be better when they get their tackles back they get Cooper back and they get out of this rut Philly's got injuries too right um yesterday Diggs went off they found themselves down that's not how they want to play the secondary is kind of all over the place right now how bad is that secondary right now well they need to make a move i don't i feel they need to make a move they need to get healthy um you know mills darby

those guys will be back i don't know if they're going to come to the rescue but uh i still think a move would be in order um and i'm kind of wondering what the holdup is. The Eagles offense is fine, right? They're missing Deshaun Jackson. So they're missing a little bit of the deep ball component, but when they get them back, they're going to be downright scary. They did a good job with the running backs. They gave Miles Sanders a lot of ISO work on linebackers in the past game. That was really fruitful. They got Howard going, but it's all underneath without Deshaun Jackson. And listen, there was a time in the middle of the game there where the Eagles were moving the ball really well. Great adjustments by Doug at the half.

Like I said, I love his guarantee. Minnesota, though, got Madison, Cook going. The Bradham injury and the Cooper injury are the two biggest injuries coming into Sunday night. The Eagles have to stop the run, and Cooper's got to get open and be healthy. I don't know where he is, but he makes the huge difference there. So again, not a do or die game. Similar schedules the rest of the way. They started bad, both of them last year, three

and five and four and six respectively. It's a two-team race. I like Philly on Sunday though because of the multitude of injuries in Dallas. It's such an important point there. When two teams are already out of it and we're not even at the halfway point, you know, hey, we can start, you know, you don't want to sit there and start penciling some wins. Before we get to irresponsible question, I was wondering if you quickly could help us from the outside understand this, though, because you'd think Dallas, which every Dallas game feels like it's the big game because, you know,

Fox will put it in that later window and more people around the country are watching it, which is a smart business move because there's just Cowboys fans all over the place. But you would think after getting beat like you did against Green Bay, you're going to be motivated just to get back. But there have to be times where it's the bad week of practice and you're just going, the Jets suck and Donald's coming back off a mono. How good is he going to be? Take us into what that week is like when it's a bad week, and you just know you've had times where I'm sure you can point back to a ton of games where you didn't take the opponent enough

or you didn't take him serious enough. Well, there's times like that. I honestly don't think it was a situation where they didn't take the opponent serious enough. I don't think anybody saw Darnold coming out and playing that well he looked fucking great um and he looked great in december last year you know 931 yardage with six touchdowns one pick in december last year i think he went 80 of 125 uh he's he was a stud yesterday his pocket presence was awesome i thought romo was going to get mono talking him up I mean Romo wanted to literally kiss him

on the mouth which is dangerous right about now I mean Romo loved the guy also is it awkward that Romo's like watching Witten play and he's like man I'm pretty fucking glad I'm doing Corona commercials and I'm in the booth because this looks ugly it could easily be him and Jason's Jason's still doing it but I think you know when when you look at a team that's playing a team like the Jets off of two losses, it doesn't matter that they're playing the Jets because you need to win this game. It's not a must win, but you need to win to get back on track. I think what happened is sometimes when you play bad

and you're playing somebody bad coming up, the coach is using an opportunity to go doom and gloom and to run you into the ground. And that's the team I saw yesterday. I saw a team that looked defeated when they walked on the field. They didn't look energetic. They didn't look like they felt good about the game. And you're right. Primetime game. Dallas is always going to play in those. Opportunity to get right. You could look at it that way. If they went out and kicked their ass, everybody's saying, well, it was a get right game. So they're chomping at the bit. The opposite happened. And I think they underestimated Greg Williams in the defense.

As you mentioned, Joe Douglas and Gase have done a great job. And I think Darnold was better than they expected. But I think the key is the Cowboys were not ready to play. And I think they were a little bit beat down. And I think part of that is the Cowboys were not ready to play, and I think they were a little bit beat down. And I think part of that is the practice schedule in Dallas, from what it sounds like, and probably the verbal abuse they took in the last 7 to 10 days. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. They got one more with the Redskins.

They already played them. Yeah, one more. That's right, because the first three games, two of them were division games. All right. Are you ready for irresponsible question of the week? Hell yeah.

This may pivot well into our trade thing with trade scenario stuff. So, here we go. Steph, Kemal Bozkurt, HeyBurname.com, Turkey.

I hope you'll be this time a final MVP, but if you will not be, are you going to be upset or you'll be still happy? The laugh track, we had to. I mean, it's hilarious. I love that. More of that, please. Did you see the OBJ thing where somebody from Mexican TV

or a Mexican sports channel was speaking Spanish to him for a solid 30 seconds postgame after they beat the Jets. Yeah. And he just looked so confused. I thought it was beautiful. It was hilarious. Yeah, it was really good. I know that guy. Van Pelt used to cover soccer with him.

He's one of the ESPN guys. And there's a nickname, but I'm going to screw it up, so I'm not going to. And it's an acceptable nickname, so let's not go there. I met him once. I think I met him once before the Super Bowl. He's a nickname, but I'm going to screw it up, so I'm not going to. And it's an acceptable nickname, so let's not go there. I met him once. I think I met him once before the Super Bowl. He's a really nice guy. Yeah, I mean, he was cool. He didn't hit me with the Spanish to start,

and I would have been just as confused as OBJ. But I did take some Spanish in college, although I tested it out. Wasn't my strong suit. I loved Odell's reaction on that one that was actually hilarious he's like oh all right i feel you now okay so irresponsible question of the week is there any chance that this year's denver broncos team is the 2017 san diego chargers that started on four and everybody wrote off and they ended up what nine and seven so competitive nine and seven yeah yeah i think i i don't think this question is as irresponsible as i first thought when we thought it up

um you know 2017 chargers we won the super bowl in 17 chargers gave us everything we could handle at home in la that's the joke at home in la A lot of Philly fans at that stadium. They lost a lot of one score games to start the season in 17. They lost the Chiefs by six. They lost the Colts by four. They lost the Saints by one and the Raiders by three. And they start out 0-5. I didn't include the Jags game where they got their ass kicked.

But they finished 9-3. And ultimately 9-7 missed the playoffs in a four-way tie for the wildcard spot. I look at the Broncos this year. We obviously touched on the Chubb, you know, roughing call that was very egregious. If you're looking at it as a defensive lineman, probably should have stole that game from Chicago. They lost that game 16-14. They also lost to the Packers by 11, the Jags by 2, and the Raiders by 12. You know, average loss under six points. They are a top 10 defense. They're giving up about 17 points a game. They can run the ball. Flacco can get hot. I'm not saying he's great.

But here's the big deal. Going into week five, they didn't have a turnover, right? The last two weeks, that has kind of opened up and the floodgates on the turnovers are open. They were definitely in the bottom 10th of the league in turnover margin. These things flip. They could be pretty good down the stretch. They won the last two games. So yeah, I think they could be in the conversation for a wild card. And to be honest, the way the AFC West looks, although I don't believe that kansas city won't rebound it's wide open if you look at the standings okay good way to transition then into because i don't think that was we need to be more irresponsible with those so i'm gonna uh i'm gonna come up with something but i think it's at least some people are gonna laugh at us

no it is worth pointing out though that denver defensively even with chubb out you go you know they still should be able to compete and I'm sure they're still miserable over the Chicago game and the penalty and everything and it's like okay you know three and three just sounds and feels so much better like hey you're gonna take us seriously every single week but better yeah right but at the beginning of the season when you're 0-4 it's like oh they suck and all this stuff and like I don't think they ever thought they sucked they just were incredibly frustrated so I don't think that that thought they sucked. They just were incredibly frustrated. So I don't think that that's that bad of a call, but maybe people will.

Okay. So off of that. Hey, real quick, since Fournette went for 269, they've allowed 74 rushing yards and that's been almost a month. So that's nuts. Wait, how many games has it been? Two games. It's been two games, but 74 rushing yards in two games.

I mean, they've shored some things up. Yeah, it was more impressive when it was a month, but yeah, two weeks is still pretty good. Yeah, well, fucking got to make your case. I mean, it's technically almost a month. Within a few days here, it's going to be almost a month. I do love when people do that, when they're like, hey, in the last 13 months they've had three head coaches they're like yeah the one they fired the interim and then the new guy like relax like it's not you know it's like three head coaches you're like well yeah but you're trying to like provide this paint this picture of instability that's a little bit of an exaggeration

um i just i agree i didn't have their schedule up and i'm like really a month i'm like damn that's impressive no no i fucked that up i i i didn't think it schedule up, and I'm like, really? A month? I'm like, damn, that's impressive. No, no, no. I fucked that up. I didn't think it through. But 74 rushing yards in the last two weeks is pretty damn good. That's good. That's good stuff. Okay, so because the trade deadline's around the corner, did you ever have a trade deadline week where you're like, man, I might be out of here?

I mean, there were two years that it got rough for your boy in Earth City, Missouri, where I got IR'd two years in a row. And I thought that, you know, maybe at some point I'd get shipped. But no, I've never been like on the block that I knew of. No, and it's not really the same, especially back when you were playing. I think the last, not to act like you're from some other some other generation but it's really been feels like maybe the last two years that teams have been more open to trading for guys like you grow up being like oh there's no way anybody could ever figure out the routes can't trade for a receiver that's overstated oh you

know our scheme can't come in like i read this albert brewer piece on sports illustrated that had these anonymous quotes from front office guys right right? So guys just weren't going to put their names on it. But the GMs were talking about shit like it was the 1970s. They're just like, you know, we're starting to realize now that, you know, some of the talent is more adaptable and that maybe giving up a first rounder isn't the end of the world. And you just go, yeah, everybody else, a lot of other people have already figured all this stuff out, guys. So having said all those things, if you could do a Chris Long magic wand trade in the NFL, how many do you have? I got a few, but I would say this.

I mean, GMs and coaches generally think they can do anything. Why don't they just try to adapt things a little bit to the guy you're giving up a first round pick for? So I would counter that Stone Age argument that I know you're not making. I think first off, you look at some of the best teams in the league. You got San Francisco, New England. I still think Philly has a big upside. I think they all have trades they could make. San Francisco could use a wide out, right? So who do you think would be a good candidate for that? Well, we're going to talk wide outs, or excuse me, we're going to talk San Francisco could use a wide out, right? So who do you think would be a good candidate for that? Well, we're going to talk wide outs, or excuse me,

we're going to talk San Francisco here because I did put together quite a spread out because I don't want to ignore how impressive that win was against the Rams. But you're right. I mean, they need any kind of guy on the outside because I'm going to go over in a little bit on their skill guys. That's such a glaring need for a team that actually has talent all over the place, but it's certainly a drop-off there.

So would you, I mean, everybody just wants A.J. Green out of Cincinnati, but they're saying they're not going to do it. They said they're not going to deal him. We'll see how that changes in the next week or two. It's easy to say, you know, a month before the deadline or whatever. I think the Keenan Allen thing is interesting. Keenan Allen, like we talked about and sung his praise, sang his praises for the grammatical police on Twitter.

Keenan Allen has been sensational. The Chargers seem to be a bit of a sinking ship. He also quote tweeted a negative tweet about the Chargers yesterday. That's never a good sign. You can go look at it on Twitter. I'm not telling on anybody. It's just out there. Love the guy.

I think he could help San Francisco out a lot. New England could use a tackle. Trent Williams has always been kind of my favorite fit for that. I think Trent Williams in New England with Scar, the O-line coach legend, they get a lot out of him. And I think Washington needs to blow it up. Williams in New England with Scar, the O-line coach legend. They get a lot out of him, and I think Washington needs to blow it up.

Keenan Allen, a skinny the game? Wow. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not doing that thing. I'm not doing the lookalike thing. Because I think it's unfair. I get Fassbender a get brad a lot i don't like those comps i don't think they're fair oh fast bender such a bummer that sucks i know fuck uh would be cool to move immovable objects though uh but i think new england

i think new england and trent i think in philly obviously everybody says they need a corner i think they're looking the wrong direction i think the ramsey trade yeah it's great but what do you have to give up for him i think chris harris chris harris to philly makes more sense i think on a price makes much more sense yeah and value possibly that was going to be my value yeah that was going to be mine like what's a realistic one and you know luckily you don't have to do the nba contract stuff in here and you know we can say hey adrian's in a walk year harris is in a walk year um you know there's there's other ways to do this patrick peterson is brought up apparently you know stuff i was reading this

morning is that arizona's still not interested in moving him even though he's not playing right now um but chris harris who just a couple weeks ago was basically like calling out the rest of the team and i don't know like if you have enough equity in your locker room to say like i'm over this stuff and it wasn't it wasn't now i just i understand how frustrating it gets even though again i didn't play to lose all of those games to be a vet to be older senior career coming to an end but I just I get turned I get bummed out sometimes um and look it's right after game it's after a loss but I get bummed out every now and then again when it feels like Chris Harris was sort of calling out the whole deal but he makes

more sense because I don't think you're giving up anything close to a first rounder for him the other thing that you hear out of not out of denver but like the denver wish list of some of the trade articles out there is like would they move on miller i don't have any insight on it it's just i can't imagine that they would want to move the guy they still feel like they've paid all this money to up front and you know feels feels like it's such a difference maker for them defensively so and by the way is probably going to be great not good for another at least half decade i mean that's the way i look at him he's one of the fastest to get to 100 sacks. His skill set is really, it works well with him aging. I think that, you know, if you're Denver, he's a career Bronco and he's clearly a Hall of Famer. There's a cost there to moving a guy like that not just football wise but culturally you lose

that guy that's been kind of a linchpin in your defense for uh the better part of a decade i think in new england there's another one uh tight end has changed i mean it wouldn't be hard to trade for a fullback and i know fullbacks hurt them with devlin out but they feel like they can groom a fullback which they're trying to do right now uh i think O.J. Howard down in Tampa, who's kind of rotting and being underutilized, 11 catches or something on the year, he would be a nice fit. Yeah, the great catch at a baseball game. Yeah, in the baseball game, that was a tremendous catch,

right on the right field line. I mean, that was like solid gold. That was like T-ball Twitter. It was like... Perfect, I know. It was just... Perfect. I know. It was just... Perfect. How many points is that worth?

Yeah, I'm actually embarrassed I even made the joke. Oh, you did it too? Oh, you had a lot of people. No, on Twitter? No, I just did it now. Oh, okay. I didn't do it. That's better.

That's better. You know me. You know me too well for that. I know your style. The Jets are going to get active too, I think. They've said they're going to be active. I've heard Leonard Williams to Philly rumors, which is totally stupid. Leonard Williams is not what Philly needs. Philly needs edge rush. You see Brandon Graham, since he slid inside, has been tremendous. They need a true edge rusher. And I love Leonard

Williams. But maybe they could use him. I just don't think it's a win now move for them. But maybe they could use him. I just don't think it's a win-now move for them. Tremaine Johnson, though, he's maybe on the trade block. That's a guy that could help another team in need of a corner. And obviously, Osmilly, how do you say that name? I've never gotten it. Osemaly.

Yeah, that one. Closer. So somebody with a need for a guard might go get him. Can I give you one that's never going to happen yeah matt ryan for garoppolo boom yeah just blew your mind think about it did you think about yeah i mean man what what would you have to give up to get a matt ryan see but some would argue because he's older would you have to give up can? Is it okay for us to both say Matt Ryan's clearly the better quarterback despite the Atlanta Falcons' struggles here? Because when you watch those Atlanta games, this is not a Matt Ryan thing.

Yes. Yes. And I'm not slandering Jimmy G. He's like 13-2 as a pro. But the Shanahan connection. Yeah. Hey, let's run it next time. Like they come in.

It's a tunnel. Yeah. yeah hey let's let's run it next time like they come in it's a tunnel they high five and maddie just taps him he's like hey let's run the ball a little more this time and and shanahan's like have you been watching us running the hell out of the ball up here we're running it a lot we're running it like the most 41 times i've overcorrected. We run for 200 yards, like three fucking times, like come up here. We will run the ball, you know, it would get,

it would get mad out of Atlanta. I would like it personally for Matt, but at the same time, like, I think it's being unfair to Jimmy to say like, Hey, I'm not even going to give this guy a shot who we paid all this money, who's done nothing but win games. I do think that in general, you're talking about Jimmy,

you're on the front end of a build in San Francisco. And I think you feel really positive about even some setbacks right now because this is a team that wasn't expected to be great this year and they're undefeated and they're kind of the hot team i want to talk about that niners win against the rams uh we will do so but first do you want to be able to watch every single nfl game this season no matter where you live or what team you root for this season there's a proven way to watch every football game live for a fraction of the cost express vpn use express vpVPN to buy the International Game Pass.

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It would be disrespectful. Yeah. Right, because we need to. We're an hour into this, but I had plans on doing this. We have a couple more things that I want to do, including a hypothetical question, and then your NBA fantasy team draft, which is coming up soon. But San Francisco now is 5-0. When they start the season beating the teams they were beating, you get a Mason

Rudolph in his first start. You don't really know what to make of it. That Browns game was great because it was primetime. It was the only one on. And as much of the primetime theory can get in the way of us actually understanding what the hell is going on. I think primetime, it was the only one on, and as much of the primetime theory can get in the way of us actually understanding what the hell's going on. I think primetime theory leads to wrong takes more often than it does probably to right takes. In that spot, when you're watching their defensive personnel with Buckner, Bosa, Armstead, Kwon Alexander, they brought over Dee Ford. Sherman seems better than he was last year. That's what I'm seeing and then reading, and I always am a little skeptical as a guy watching at home, not the All-22, really saying, hey, this corner's good, this corner's bad,

because they're never on the screen for the most part, except for some of the new camera angles. But this San Francisco personnel, I'd put it up there with anybody defensively. I really do think they're the best defense. Think about some of these Rams numbers. The Rams had that opening drive of 50-plus yards. They were all on the ground. So the Rams go up 7-0, running it right down your throat

against what's supposed to be your strength and maybe one of the best D-lines in the entire NFL. The Rams ended up with 100 more yards the rest of the game. That's it. They were 0-9 on third down. The San Francisco 49ers outgained the Los Angeles Rams, 331-157. That's insane. And as you mentioned, and by the way, San Francisco lost the outgained the Los Angeles Rams 331 to 157.

That's insane. And as you mentioned, and by the way, San Francisco lost the turnover battle in this one. Because sometimes you're like, what happened here? Oh, wait a minute. This team had four turnovers. The other one, how does Georgia lose to South Carolina? Four turnovers. South Carolina doesn't have any.

OK, there you go. Georgia wasn't exactly great for our college football minute there. 41 carries by an offense coming in who was averaging, as you said, 200 yards a game on the ground. That was coming into it. That was best in the league. They've dropped off because they only ran it for 100 yards, but they still ran it 41 times. This is a team skill-wise that may have the best tight end in Kittle,

and we know their collection of running backs are all very complementary, but the receivers who have all played all five games are Debo Samuel with 15 catches, Marquise Goodwin with 11, and Dante Pettis with 9. Those are your outside guys. of six to seven days for them, I take them completely serious now. And it has everything to do with their approach and their defense and really nothing to do with Garoppolo, who I still think is a huge question mark. And I don't care what his start

to his career one loss record is. Yeah. Might that be the homer in you? You want to side with New England because they shipped him? I do appreciate the chris long signed jersey that i bought at the water boys dinner for i think you hit me for almost two g's on that one and then when it finally showed up it said the number one pats fan ryan rossillo

uh i you know my my pats thing so i don't i don't you think i'm really sitting here you used to listen to him when you were roofing on the vineyard on your am radio on the you know it was like we don't right out there in chapa chapa quiddick chapa how do you say that chapa quiddick that was good but man my dad would not like to price out jobs on chapa quiddick very often because it was such a pain in the ass also there's another ferry place you're already on an island you're gonna take another ferry to go to work makes no sense you people are tough um take a lot of ferries uh boats a lot of boats a whole bunch of boats um i would say i told my old lady i would for for those of you curious what we're referencing,

I once played the lotto. You could just Google it. Goal line stand yesterday for Sam Fran. 0 of 9 on third down, I think it was, for the Rams. 0 of like 4 on fourth down. You would think when you look at it again, like I'm looking for turnovers. I'm looking, okay, it was third down and fourth down.

I don't even think if they convert on a lot of that stuff that they're that much better off. The whole game to me was just watching that ball jacked D coordinator just in, in jubilation, dancing up the up and down the sidelines, high-fiving people, chest bumping people and golf throwing the ball like five yards down the field. He can't hit any of his deep shots. He missed on a few bad ones. What's surprising to me is that it looks like he's seeing ghosts a little bit, and it looks like he's lost confidence. For me, a guy that got over the hurdle after that first year where people were calling him a bust and then ascending to where he was, you wouldn't think this would be a mental thing right now.

You'd think if he got over that, he'd get over this hump. But something's going on there. They run the ball for over 100 yards, I think in the first half, and they still can't cash that in. But like you said, San Francisco kicked their ass, and that was a group that had 900 yards through the air in the last two games combined. And then they go out and hold them to like under 100, 3.3 yards per attempt for golf. And 3.3 yards per play, I think,

was in the neighborhood as well for McVay. That's the lowest in the McVay era in LA. So yeah, the Niners are real. I don't know if they're a Super Bowl team. It's too early to say that. I know that's what everybody wants to say on Monday. Either they are or they aren't. We have to react that way. But I think they're an elite NFC football team. And like you said, the quarterback might be the biggest question mark, but they're damn good. And the injuries that, you know, the part of the NFL that frustrates you a little bit is you sit there for the first few weeks, you go, hey, this team is this team. And then the way the media will treat it from the outside is like, what happened to this team?

What happened to that time? And it's like, well, unless a quarterback or like the biggest star on the team is hurt, we don't keep track of the rest of the attrition. And San Francisco right now is playing. If you go back to the start of camp, start of camp,

August, we're talking, they're on their fourth and fifth tackles. Now they're going to get McGlinchey and Staley back. So, you know, they're doing this. I guess they lost their third tackle not that long ago. They're doing this with guys

that may not even be given a uniform, um, come August. So I am not arguing with Richard Sherman here. I am with him and I'm not saying I'm picking them to represent the NFC out of this, but this is a, Hey, you beat some bad teams, cool. You're three and Oh, that's all I have to go on to this. That was an absolute dominant defensive performance that needs to be respected. I mean, that's, that's just how I feel like I'm making it known. Like what they did yesterday is incredible and they have to be looked at as a different team and not just a team that's beating up on bad teams. Like they were when they were three and Oh, well, to me, it's, it's the culmination of all their defensive performances I think the Rams right now as you start to process of elimination figure out what's wrong with them

McVay had been like bulletproof with extra time I mean like really good and I think you know San Francisco having less time McVay having more time, Shanahan outcoached him. And Shanahan is kind of big brother from the Washington genesis. They were on the same staff, which by the way, Washington couldn't find a coach. And they had all these good coaches on their staff, neither here nor there. Shanahan, this had to be a bit personal for him. I mean, McVay's gotten so much love over the past year and a half, two years. And Shanahan, like I said, I said this on Thursday night when I was doing the show with Amazon is Shanahan is being defined by one group of possessions when he was

up 28 to three on the heels of a year where they were the eighth best of all time in single season scoring production and ran the ball with authority. So now, you know, people kind of judge him by that. Well, what are they doing up there? They're running the ball down people's throats and they're playing good defense. And you talked about the defense, the D-line's terrific. I mean, Dee Ford was like somebody else's trash is somebody else's treasure. He's made big plays for them. Bosa's kind of the straw that serves the drink right off the bat. He plays with great power. I've always loved Buckner, and you've repurposed guys like Armstead and even Solomon Thomas, who played well yesterday, to play well as kind of supporting role, depth pieces, and the secondary was all over it. The coverage was tight yesterday. Sherman's doing the us against the world thing. I get that.

That's the identity that they have to take on to make a run. Hard left. You ready for it? Yeah. As we finish up here, would you rather be Jeff Bezos, but you're 5'4",

or Ken Bone, but you're the toughest guy in the world? Well, do we know how tall Ken Bone is? I'm going to get IT on that now. I would lean Jeff Bezos, though. Because if you're Jeff Bezos, you can hire a bunch of people that are the toughest guys in the world and do whatever you want.

If you're Jeff Bezos, you're effectively seven foot. I'm going to double check his height. What if he was already 5'4"? Oh, he's only 5'7". That's the problem. Now, let's say Ken Bone was 6'5". I'd still want to be Jeff Bezos at 5'4". And by the way, Bezos is in 5'4".

I met him at NFL Honors. He's taller. No, I just told you he's 5'7", but it's not, that's not a monster. Oh, I thought you were talking about Ken Bone. How tall is Ken Bone? There's conflicting reports. Not that any, this is like the net worth thing. This is like the net worth thing. Yeah. It's not accurate.

Ken Bone with a couple blondes. Trying to find a picture. This guy lives in red, though. Lives in red though lives in red he loves red yeah um maybe toughness i mean maybe because you're tough you've been tough your whole life that toughness to you isn't really that great of a commodity because you don't you don't how can i be tough my dad was rich that's right now you can't be tough you guys are middle class you had a sand jacuzzi we had sand in the jacuzzi i will say though if you have money again and you're jeff bezos you can effectively be five you can live your whole life and no one has to know how tall you are you can just be on

your yacht people can come to see you at your discretion. You could be surrounded by people who are actually really fucking tough and just pay them to be tough. And if you're Ken Bone, there's a lot of tough guys that you never heard of out there in the world, like really tough guys. Getting tough doesn't really get you anywhere in the world. Toughest in the world would get you somewhere. It'd be like real scenes from Wolverine when he's Logan or not Logan, but the Wolverine where he's up in Canada and he's just winning these like bare knuckle fights that would be amazing okay but he but he can fight too and he's ripped Ken Bone's not ripped I don't know if he can fight I'm not dogging Ken Bone's physique but I'm saying that if Ken Bone was a great fighter yes he'd go join UFC

he'd make a bunch of money and i'm talking a long time not like two bouts not two title defenses yeah but i'm just saying just because you're tough like there's some guy in indiana who's got just some crazy pain threshold with tattoos all over his his forehead and in his arm i understand what you're saying but in this hypothetical ken bone beats all of them and holds the title for like 10 years well then he has an opportunity to become rich doesn't he not bezos rich though as i think he's also got that most people are listening to this being like i'll be 5-4 and the richest guy in the world enough so would i so would i and to strengthen my argument the only path forward for the toughest guy in the world to get as rich as you'd like to

be would be to develop CTE in some form like you're gonna go fight you're gonna go give yourself head trauma to make money like I'd much rather be Jeff Bezos and not have any head trauma and just hire a bunch of tough fucking guys that look like Vladimir Klitschko to stand outside my yacht and let my girlfriend in and, and go get me in and out burger from the mainland. And like, you know, that's what I would do. I feel like you've,

you've made this, you have a greater fear of CT than, than most people, which is totally understood. I know. Right. I'm, I'm fine.

I just, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, than than most people which is totally understood no i don't right i'm i i'm fine i just would we do like an hour and a half in this fucking pot i'm feeling good i just i i think there's probably some five four guys being like hey fuck you guys also listening to this right now so you know yeah they would rather be jeff bezos too though it's not even about the height. Really, we overplayed the height. 4-9 Jeff Bezos versus Ken Bone. I'm going to stand on three apple boxes and order people around. Like the Wizard of Oz, I'm going to have a fucking table in front of me at all times. Just telling my Vladimir Klitschko's to go get me In-N-Out Burger and Japanese whiskey

from the dock our boat and go get it. It's the end of the discussion. All right. I was researching heights here. It says Zuckerberg's 5'7". That's a lie. No way. Although It says Zuckerberg's 5'7". That's a lie. No way. Although I doubt Zuckerberg would lie about his height.

That's not something he would do. You know Slim Thug is really tall? I just think about things I Google. I Google like rapper heights. Slim Thug's really tall. So is Sheik Looch really tall? First thing that comes up Slim Slim Thug, is height. Yeah, he's tall.

Damn, he's tall. Like, who's 6'6"? Kenny Mayne. Kenny Mayne. He's tall. Kenny Mayne's like 6'4", maybe. I mean, Scott still towers over all these guys. Yeah, Scott's a tall anchor.

Who's the most unexpectedly tall person you met? Tony Kornheiser. No shit. Yeah, you just always think he's going to be 5'8", 5'9". His demeanor, the way he sits, everything about it, and then he rolls in in person. He's like a solid 6'1". Now, 6'1", 6'2", isn't like tall, but it's taller.

I was blown. Seeing Tony Kornheiser stand at a solid 6'1", or so, was mind-blowing. I was blown seeing Tony Kornheiser stand at a solid six, one or so was, was mind blowing. Yeah. Zion Williamson is shorter than I thought. How tall are you? Six,

four. If that all, all of six, three and three or five eights. Everybody thinks I'm like five, six. No, you're not.

I can attest you're 5'11 you knew exactly what to say to bum dudes out alright hey NBA fantasy draft we get a bounce but NBA fantasy draft when is it for you it's gonna be soon right fuck I need to check that it's kind of like me leaving Gostkowski

up on my fantasy football team for three weeks he's been on ir okay i don't even know when the draft is i i picked 10th i've never made the playoffs my my league is called um my league's called all gangsters no thugs it's a it's a call back to the time that the xavier cincinnati game broke out into a brawl and Holloway who played for Xavier explained that we're a tougher team we're grown men over here we got a whole bunch of gangsters in our locker room not thugs but tough guys on the court we went out there and zipped them up at the end of the game that's our motto zip them up also the motto of the 2011 Rams and we didn't zip many people up but we did name our fantasy basketball league uh after Holloway's quote that's beautiful I love that is it at Joel at Joel 9-1 at Ryan and Russillo we're gonna start doing maybe some um fantasy no we're not gonna do any fantasy advice

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