The Shane Dawson Podcast - True Crime Conspiracy Theories

Episode Date: November 10, 2024

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So she goes into his bedroom and she opens his closet and there's a storage bin in there. And inside of it she lifts the lid. There's a garbage bag. So she pulls back a garbage bag and finds another garbage bag. but it's transparent so she can see through it and she realized it's it's and uh and um yeah in her son's closet oh my god hey welcome back to whatever the hell this is rylan's distracted edition we're not going to fight we're not going to start the show with a fight we've been having

a good week yeah very good week but we're going we're going to a pumpkin thing And now it's coming, babies are coming. What is it like a haunted hayride? It's what is it called? It's Night of the Jacks. It's local in Calabasas. It's basically zoo lights for all of you that live in places. No one knows it's zoolites.

Yes, they do. Everyone that doesn't live in California has a zoo lights. You go to your local zoo and it's all lit up. To be fair, but I also have never heard that term in my life. You guys are losers. Zoo lights is new to me. I'd never heard of it. Before we get to any of that, we need to bring up why Chris is in a different location.

We wanted to try something new I'm just kidding We had to fuck up up here And one of the blinds isn't closing So the sun is coming in So it's ruining Chris's shot So now Chris is sitting in front of the fireplace You might see some reflections

Little BTS What's going on? I moved this way and it literally It's not directly in my eye Okay so yes We are so excited because we have here Mama Vicky Looking better than ever

With her fresh cut bangs I just say I feel like Taylor's here right very swift light in a reputation outfit oh my gosh you look good going for the best son-in-law when she walked out she was like do you want me to wear something like this and i was like i was gagged i was like oh my god should i are we backstage right now should i not be seeing you like you look good we need to take pictures and we kind of match yes that that's what i like it is whoa that jacket and i thought that kind of goes everyone remember i'm not ignoring you guys i'm i'm working

Update. I will say, there is a theme for today's episode, and it's not just the fact that we all look so... Well, I feel like I don't look good, but look at everybody looking sexy. Is that the theme just sexy? Ooh, I like it. No, the theme is true crime, and that's because Vicky is here, and Vicki is a biggest true crime fan I've ever met. It's to a point where I, like, was a little nervous about it. And she has such a strong stomach.

Like, we were on our way to dinner, and she was telling us a story about a woman getting chopped up and thrown in a million pieces off the cliff. And I was just like, okay, like, we're about to eat. And then we're eating. And she's like, oh, I forgot to tell you the end. And then the foot came off. And I was like, okay, my Caesar salad. But like, you just love it.

Not in front of my salad. I do. I'm addicted to. Something about women and Chris that they just can't turn off their true crime podcast when they're going to sleep at night. That's real. You know, it's YouTube. Once you watch one.

YouTube's the problem. It really is. Once you watch one, they just put tons of them out there. And so every night, that's pretty exciting. She was pissed because while she's here in California now, one of her favorite true crime is on tour in Colorado. And she's like, but I'm missing my favorite true crimeer. I was thinking about going to see her.

What do they do live? That's what I asked. Talk about crime live. Kill people. She'll update you probably on the latest cases. I would love to see that. I know, right? I love interrogations, too.

That's the thing that gets me. Trying to find out if they're guilty or not. I will say you did interrogate me when I first started dating Ryland. Really? I did. I can't imagine my mom. Well, you wanted to see my intentions where I'm going with this. Fair enough.

I did. If I wanted kids or not. Like, you had questions. You guys even, every once in a while, bring up kids and. Was that real or was that just for a video? I'm sure it was real. I would think. What did you think when you first met me for the first time?

Were you like, why? And you could be honest because it wasn't great on Shane's end. Oh. What? What? What are you talking about? Well, the very first time Shane, no, you knew that it was overwhelming the first time Shane came to our house. It was a little too much the first time you came to our house.

Wait, what? What was too much? Well, it was a lot. We weren't expecting what we had coming at us. We went over to the local little mall. That for the series, I feel like we didn't know he was gay. It was like a lot of people. We were expecting a female. I'm not being a female.

We thought our son was straight. No, I just didn't know. It was a hard pill to swallow when we found out he was the wife. I didn't. I didn't know all these kids. Well, they're teenagers, but to me, they're kids. All these teenagers would approach him and be all around us. And that was like intimidating.

That wasn't like the, my issue with when I went there for the first time, because I had a little panic attack. And the reason was because you guys were doing this thing where And it was the whole family. It wasn't just you. It was the whole family, which I love all of them. But they were doing this thing where they were like, oh, we're going to go to dinner tonight.

Sorry, it's not a five-star restaurant. Mr. Celebrity. Or like, oh, let's get in the car. Or do you want us to call a limbozine? It was like funny. But then it got to a point where I'm like, do they really? And then I was like, wow. And then your brother was really going in.

And I love him. He was going on me. Oh, my God. He was just like, really? like hold on like fucking paparazzi's kind of like oh my god but then after i got to know them yeah that that well i don't think anyone in colorado has encountered some like because it started because yeah we went to the mall and like Shane was mobbed at the mall because it's more come on you were but i'm just but then for them i think it clicked to them they're like what

it sounds like a lifetime movie yeah it kind of does like a christmas movie yeah like who is this guy seen anything like this in Colorado who is this wow you make it sound like Kentucky or something like you know well we love you Vicki yeah we can't wait to hear about you talking about chopping up bodies we'll get to that later in the show Chris yes I need to talk about your shirt okay so there's a reason I got you this shirt it's because you're very kissy not with me but you know you're a kissy person And there was a podcast, not that, well, because the comments, there was a podcast not that long ago, where I didn't even notice it in person, but all the comment, look, the top comment was just like, Chris is hicky, Chris is hicky. You, okay, I have two questions. Number one, was it a hickie? Number two.

Of course it was a hickie. Number two. Well, I don't want to judge. But I just have questions about how that happened. Yeah. I've never had one. I don't know. It seems very. You gave me a hickie our first year of dating, but never said. No, our first year of dating. Did it? How do you even do that? Somebody had to cover it clever every day. How do you even give a hickey?

I don't... Giss something for too long. You suck a little bit. Back in the day, fake hikis were a thing. People would use vacuums and put fake kikis on their wick. Just to make it, yeah, because it's suction. My friends actually found out I was gay from a hickie. No way.

Wait, what? Yeah. A girl could give you a hickie too. Yeah, I was going to say. It was how it led to it. So is this like a kink or is this something that you enjoy? that you enjoy, like, I just want to know the process. Does he just slap you with barbecue sauce?

That's exactly it. No, I've never, I've never had one on purpose. It's not like an intentional thing. Like, we're like, we're going to give you a hickey. I'm so, my answer is very hard to say with Vicky right there. Oh, my God. Vicki, please cover your ears. She's heard worse.

She listens to true crime. Vicki feels, oh, no. So, you know, sometimes I have really rough sex and I get really into it. And things happen. I have sensitive skin, I've realized, it doesn't take much. And I saw the comments, and every time, like, we start to get too into it, I'm intimate again. I'm like, please don't give me another hickey. I don't want all those comments that's so embarrassed.

It's a real inconvenience to have a hickey. Wait, but so you're not doing neck kisses, it sounds like? You're not kiss. I kiss everywhere, so you're sticking just, uh, when he gets, like, if he even, isn't even trying, but if he, like, puts his head near me and his beard, scratch the, like, it just feel, that's what he does too? What about a little, like, on the ear? Really?

I always like, no, I'm not like sucking, but I'm like nestling in and, bet, bet, and I'm like, stop it. I love it so much. I don't like that feeling. Vicky, when you were, oh my God, Vicky Hickey. So like, what was like the thing? Like, what was before Hickey? Was it like, oh, you got a snog? Okay, even back in high school, it was a hickie.

And they were just going steady. Going steady. Yeah, so there you go. Wow. My mom was dating a criminal, too, in high school. Whoa, what? I did. Vicki?

You have a good memory. I did. I had a boyfriend I was dating and for some reason he robbed a pizza hudder. For some reason? Probably both. Was it to create a better life for the two of you or was he just being greedy about it? I don't remember, but I forgot about that. Did he go to jail?

Yeah. Vicky, I also dated someone who robbed from an establishment that went to jail. We have this in common. Really? Why did you blur out the establishment? What are you hiding? I don't know. It was Target.

I don't know why I didn't want to say it. I don't know. You want to get the promotions. Still pending investigation. Nope. After that was still a little bit of high school. Yeah, I forgot about that. How do you ring him?

This is Shane. Very cool. Where is he now? No clue. You don't look him up. Well, guess what, Vicki. Since we're talking about him. We have him on the phone.

Yeah. Call I call from. You really don't look up your exes? I haven't for years. Nally. You do? I don't. Um, uh-oh.

It's been a while. I don't really have that many exes. I don't know if we talked about this, but I realized my first two exes after they cheated on and broke up with me. But two of them immediately after got married. They're probably cheating on whoever they married then. Cheaters and cheaters. Probably, but I'm also like, why do they marry right after me? Oh, that's the Lifetime movie.

There was a movie about that, but it was a guy that after you date this dude, you find the one. You have sex with someone, and then they find their true. true love. Isn't that how it works? Has everybody lost their minds? That's ridiculous. Whoa. I feel like Jessica Alba was in it. Oh. It is a movie. Wow. She does have very sensitive skin. I don't know why I know that. Okay. So we're going to do a segment right now that we did a few episodes ago and I really enjoyed it. And you guys in the comments seem to like it too. So I brought it back. We're going to do The Rabbit Hole. I don't have a song for this yet.

Oh my God. We need a song for this. Yeah. We do. can't work on it. It has to happen. Okay, so Vicki, if you don't know, a rabbit hole is something that you fall down in the middle of the night. You can't get out of it. You're like researching. You're like, oh my God, this is so crazy. This is so crazy. You keep watching videos more and more, more, just like you do a true crap. I do. Okay, so I fell down a rabbit hole recently and then you guys can talk about your rabbit holes. My rabbit hole is all about songwriting. I know. Sounds kind of boring. Like, okay, whatever. But no. There is so much drama in the songwriting community. Like, I've been watching all these podcasts. There's this guy, Daniel Wall, he has a podcast called Behind the Wall. And he interviews the biggest songwriters of all time for like hours. And they just sit there and they talk about how they came up with HALO or how they came up with this, you know, Bieber song. And the stories are always so interesting. And there's always drama with like songwriters. Very cool.

So. Okay. Okay. One episode I watched recently that I just thought was so funny and like kind of blew my mind. I told Spencer about it the other day and he was like, what? Okay. So there was this writer. His name is Evan Kidd Bogart.

And he wrote Halo by Beyonce. Wow. He wrote SOS by Rihanna. So he starts talking about, like, one of the craziest moments he's had in songwriting in his early years, and he was working at this record label with his friend, and he wanted to sign a rapper and, like, you know, do a rap album. So he found this rapper from Miami named Franchise, like hardcore rapper from Miami, hard lyrics, and they made this entire rap album for this new rapper named Franchise. And then they were like, ooh, we should sample the song Stand by Me.

You know that song. Stand by me. you got to do enough by me so the rapper franchise is like oh I got an idea for like a chorus so he sings this chorus and everybody in the room is like

are you a fucking singer and he's like I guess and they're like fuck the rap thing fuck all that they rebranded him completely to make him a singer redid his entire album

came up with a name for him because his real name was Kishon Anderson so they said okay fuck the name franchise we're going to call you Sean Kingston No way.

Because his family's from Kingston, Jamaica, and his name was Kashan. And they made a song for a fake name, Sean Kingston. So he originally was like this hardcore rapper. And then he turned into the song was, what's the song? Oh, uh, Suicidal. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah.

Love you've been never one. Um, song comes out, number one hit right away, huge. Now he has this whole career where he's a singer, never raps again. Is that crazy? It is, it's almost crazier to think that it was just kind of going to be fabricated situation where they got this kid they had a name for him they were giving him all this music and then he sang and then it just became something totally different so it shows you how manufactured a lot of the music industry is in general i would say too well it was that's the

very interesting part shout out sean kingston by the way he's very talented oh i think if the opportunity presents itself and you want to meet the moment you've got to do what you got to do well that's what i started learning about these songwriters is like you hear a song on the radio and you think like Okay, that Justin Bieber's song, Love Your Mama Don't like you, because she likes everyone. I love it. Ed Shearin. Yeah. Everybody thinks that song's about Selena Gomez because it was like right after the breakup, whatever.

But no, it was written by Ed Shearin and this guy, Benny Blanco, who now dates Selena Gomez, interestingly. And yeah, not about her at all. They literally wrote it. And then they were like, Bieber would sound good on this. Gave it to Bieber. He recorded it. And everybody's like, Bieber's talking about Selena. All the fans like to code the lyrics of the artist.

And of course, when you sell a song to that popular. of an artist. They get a songwriting credit, which creates the allusion to people that aren't like looking into songwriting that Justin Bieber wrote the song. This is kind of speaking of the Bieber thing. I thought this was interesting. Do you guys know who Mike Posner is? Yes. I love Mike Posner. I took a beer to bea. Yeah. And then his first big song was, you think, cooler than me. Yes. I love his voice. Okay. So good. So that song comes out, that album comes out, the Cooler Than Me album. Yeah. It's huge. It's like 2011, 2011. I like that. I was a good album.

It's really good. Yeah. So that comes out. Does really well. And then he puts out another single or something, and it doesn't do well. So his record label, they're working on the second album, and he's making all these songs. And they're like, you know what? We're going to shelve it. You're not a pop star anymore. We don't believe in your future.

So we're going to shelve it. You can't do anything. Your music's on a shelf, basically. And you're signed to the label, so you don't have a choice if they shelve you. It's fucked. And he's like, please, these songs are good. I'm proud of them. Like, please, please, please.

And they're like, no. The record label hears some of the songs are like, hmm, those do those do kind of sound like hits, but you're not going to be a pop star so they took the songs and gave them to other people. No way. So Justin Bieber's big rebrand song, Boyfriend, If I was your boyfriend.

Written by Mike Posner for his second album. And I have to say, the record label was smart. I love Mike Posner and he wrote the song but to make it the super pop song that it was putting that song imagery with Justin Bieber, it's like he was the right branding for that package. You know what? I have to actually rephrase what I just said

because I don't think it was the record label's idea. I think Mike Posner started playing the songs for other artists. When the record label Shelftham? That's smart of him, proactive. Good for you, Mike Posner. Boyfriend went number one, like, instantly, one of Bieber's biggest songs ever. So, like, that happens, right?

The second time it happens, Maroon Frive, you know, that song. Sugar. Sugar? Sugar. Sugar? Sugar. Super sweet. Mike Posner song.

Whoa. Straight to number one. Those are two songs from a second album. He would have had two number one songs on his second album and he told him he was like I have hits I have hits and they were like man we don't believe that that's crazy sad and then it took him years and then he came back with that

well because he was massively depressed because of everything that happened to him so I don't know how excited it was about sharing the music and having to go through that but then he went to like a music festival in Abiza and he was just very depressed and he took some pills to get himself excited and he had like an existential moment

and that's what the song is about yeah well even like Kesha like she started as a writer and like a demo singer like she would sing the demos for like a Katie Perry song or Britney Spears song or whatever and then she sang the demo of that you spin my head right around right around that flow writer song and they were like we like this they kept it but they didn't even credit her and the song went number one and it's a flow writer song and it doesn't say featuring Kesha maybe now it does but like we all heard Kesha on a number one song for years not knowing it was her so I don't know it's just very interesting how that whole world works and how it all ties together and how there's all this drama with other songwriters

because like you write a number one song and then like when's your next song and i don't know wasn't keshia on simple life yes she was on the simple life as like one of the families parisilton and Nicole richie live with yeah really the only thing that the songwriting rabbit hole has done for me though is there's such a formula like there really is yeah like these writers like i watched uh ryan tetter he wrote every every big song you could think of he's from one republic that Too late, apologies. Too late. Yeah, so he writes everything.

So he was talking about the formula, and he was just like, at five seconds, you need this. You need this hook here. You need this here. Melody and melody. And he's a genius. And he was doing it. And I was just like, wow, now every song I hear on the radio,

I hear the formula. Like, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's the hit factory. I think people are coming more aware of that and who is writing songs and the credits of songs. And I will say, just to defend Taylor a little bit, because she is so writing of her music

you're experiencing somebody perform something that they actually wrote about a time in their life that they're referencing because it's all to the song itself. Yeah, even like the song Halo though like that song is so deep and about finding the love of your life

and it's like they're your angel and all these things and you hear it and you're thinking oh Beyonce's talking about Jay Z and all these things, whatever when it came out and it's like these two guys like in a room fucking around and they were like oh what about this oh we should call it halo oh what about it and then they just wrote it in 30 minutes Ryan was like going through like sounds on his on his keyboard and his computer or whatever and that angelic pad that's in the song started playing we kind of looked at each other we were like yeah and they're like well

let's get her people I'm shook have you ever heard that one song that it didn't have to cut me that or whatever that guy actually did not want to be famous at all that song went to number one weeks on the charts and then what really made him mad is so many people were doing covers of it that sounded like shit you know my stage name is being badly represented by all these other people doing really crap interpretations of myself that he like hated the song and then he would do shows and people would just sit there and wait for him to sing that song and then walk out when he had like a whole album of music so on youtube he's actually never put ads on his music at all and he uploaded more music, no ads, and now he tours in, like, does small shows because he hated being famous. Okay, that's interesting. That's crazy. But, yeah, I don't know. I just want to say really quick that it's such a bummer for me when I find that out. And I think that's why I've, like, pop music has always been difficult for me.

Like, because I grew up with you. It's not just pop music at all. But, like, if you listen to, like, punk rock music, which I grew up listening to almost all of it. They are writing all of it themselves. There's not, like, punk rock ghost writers rarely. Like, there are, but it's not super common. I don't know. So there's definitely like genres of music that this doesn't happen as often to.

And so when I, I don't know, I guess growing up like with people writing music and like being so passionate about the words and words meaning everything to me, when I find that out, it's such a bummer. And it like, I don't know. The words could still mean something to you though. You just have to correlate who wrote it, you know? Well, that's what watching all these songwriter interviews is done for me. It's actually made me like the songs more because now I know the real like the people behind it and I'm like rooting for them. Because sometimes they don't get paid as much as they should, and sometimes, you know, whatever. And I'm like rooting for this guy who I watch two hour interview with.

A percentage to the artist that didn't write it. Right. But they're also like forced to give it up because they won't give them a chance. I'd rather hear them sing it. Right. But you never would. Hi, I'm Danny Lopiori. Ever get the feeling you're being watched online?

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Ooh, that hurt. I can't even right now. See you guys later. Bye. Okay, well, that was my rabbit hole. Does anybody else have a rabbit hole that they want us to fall down with them? My problem with this segment is the rabbit holes, I always fall down. I'm like on my phone about to fall asleep.

And I'm like, holy shit, that's crazy. Like that happened. It's like I wake up like, I don't remember anything. But one, Vicki reminded me of one that I, so my version of you always getting the interrogation videos, I see those, I see those thumbnails. But I follow more into the Karen's getting arrested body cam footage. Are you kidding me? No, we are not kidding you.

I love those videos. Like the more annoying the woman or men tends to be a drunk woman in Florida the majority of the videos, but it's the best. Do you have like a favorite Karen moment? I don't know if I told you guys this, but I was at, did I tell the story about when I was at Kava after a recording? No. We were recording something.

I was at a Kava and the guy in front of me in line was like yelling at, like, I don't know. The employees were like messed up his order a little bit. Like they scoop the wrong thing and they're like, oh, well, He was being a Rylund. Honestly, that's more of being a Jared. Oh, whoa. Oh, thank you, Jay.

I don't yell. When it comes to fast food. I beat down with logic. I would never go back through a fast food line, though. Oh, yeah, but so they messed up his order, and then they were going to throw it away, don't throw it away. And then he kept getting more and more mad every, I got a cop a lot, and they were doing everything normal.

Like, they weren't messing any enough. They scoop the wrong meat in. He started screaming at them, like, over and over and over again. like, you have a manager here? And there were, like, three managers. And he's like, give me corporate's number. And so I just said to him, like, dude, you're being a prick right now. I was like, you're being a, yeah, I said it.

Because he was just, good. He was like going on. And I was like, dude, shut up. Like, you're really so annoying. And then he turned on me and he was like, oh, oh, I love to go outside with you, buddy. I love to take you outside. What a jerk. He was being such an other.

You should have went live on Hungry Boys account and been like, I'm filming you right now. I know. boy is hungry and there is a prick and that's holding up the line. He was also with his wife and I just didn't want to be. His wife didn't stop him? That I really wish I, if I had been more mad

I was just kind of tired. If I've been more mad I would have been nice like I would have talked to her like I should have been great when you take him out. They would have ganged up on you though. Typically when it comes to a couple you try to help the one that's in the worst spot and then all of a sudden you're getting ganged up on by a couple. So it's better to stay away. I was doing something nasty in public

and somebody mentioned it to Shane. I think Shane would dig her. I just like, she was just like looking down. Oh, I always feel bad. He's awful. Yeah. I always feel bad for the Shane's, I'm just kidding. How did it end? Oh, it ended with he like, he left. He's like, oh, fuck you out. Fuck you guys. And then they gave me a free meal, which is nice. But nice. Did you ever see the video of the lady? I don't know what led up to it, but there's a guy in like a parked vehicle and she's on the phone and she's like, he's running me over. Yes. And she's like losing her. And she keeps telling the person on the phone,

he's running me over and like he's not moving like he's parked and he's like what are you you're crazy like anytime i see those videos i just feel so bad for their husbands yeah it's like i can't imagine horrible yeah i don't lose it on people no you lose it on me yeah yeah there's yeah there's like a sociopathic like element to these people it's like i don't know to be fair to riley we eat out like every monday for the sip and you're so kind to everyone that like helps us out and, like, you're amazing to people. Yeah, when I'm filming, I am so nice. Oh.

No, I'm kidding. Wow, good one. Anybody else? So, as luck would have it. So last week, I had a root canal done, which if you guys have ever had a root canal. The first mistake I made was asking the girl behind the counter or the receptionist, what entails getting a root canal? I don't know. And it's drilling out your tooth.

and then they pull the nerves out and then they fill that up. So I was already super nervous going into it. So I went to the orthodonic or the endocrine, whatever they're called to get the root canal. It was very cool, though. I didn't feel anything. I just hurt it and all the pressure,

which is gross in itself. And because I know what they're doing, I could like visualize them drilling into my tooth. But I just was sitting there thinking, this is bad. But could you imagine like 100 years ago if you had to get a root canal, how bad that would be. So a rabbit hole that I fell into was like medieval surgeries,

dentistry in like the dark ages or the middle ages. And just to start, it's kind of funny in the early years. Like we're talking the gentleman that thought of this idea was like born in 25 BC and he lived to 50 AD. So around that time. But it was this dentist who believed that if you switched around, urine in your mouth, it would actually help kill gum disease and whatnot. But it had to be the first urine of the day. After you let go of that first urine of the day, it's no good anymore. So there

were actually people that would stand on corners and collect urine from people asking them if they'd peed yet today and then they would sell that to customers for mouthwash. I wonder how you could find anybody who hadn't yet peed today. Oh, I'm hoping that they do. I'm hoping they're going to got paid for it because maybe people knew and they would hold off and wait for a pea scalper to approach them and then demand top dollar it also makes me think you do your own pee well you could I guess but we all make it there might be people that would just really prefer to not have their own pee in their mouth what I would have so much yeah hey I'm just saying you know we've evolved a lot since then but I started looking into other dentistry and have you ever seen outside of a barbershop this is

kind of where it's leading to, but outside of a barbershop, they have the poles that are red and white. That's like a historical tie into what barbers used to be, which before there was surgeons and there was hospitals, they put you under anesthesia. People would just go to what we're called barber surgeons for anything they needed. Like if you needed a tooth taken out, you would go to the barber. And the only way they had for you to help yourself at all was they would offer you like alcohol and they would just recommend that you get blackout drunk. But around that, this time in like the 1500s it was the fifth cause of death were people that got teeth extractions and they would just bleed out because they would use like tools and just chisel away at

your teeth and pull them out and that was before like anesthesia and all that stuff so if you wanted a root canal back in those times it was pretty severe but the barber pole the red on the barber pole is for blood and the white is for bandages because back in the day they would put out bandages as like a promotional tour to say hey yeah come in here we got you we got you we got you taken care of. Wow. That's good. But it's pretty crazy to think like even before any kind of anesthesia, people if they needed like an amputated leg, they would literally

just saw it off and they would get burning hot steel and they would put that on the wound and that would like cauterize the blood and the arteries and everything like that. So I just went down a rabbit hole of like medieval surgeries and it's gross. I gotta go. Yeah.

And barbers used to be surgeons. That made me sick. Like, I feel sick. I'm hungry. The first surgeries that ever took place were called trepanings. And back in the day, if you had a really bad headache that just wouldn't go away. Like, let's say you had chronic migraines, they attributed this to evil spirits that were living in your head.

So they would take rocks and they would beat a hole into your skull to leave pressure, but also to let the bad spirits out of your head. And a lot of them have it actually healed over. There was people like walk around with holes in their head back in the day, and that was how they alleviated a headache. So, you know, next time you pop an accedrin, thank God. Yeah. Yeah, because if you lived like a couple thousand years ago, they would have just beat you in the head with a rock.

Imagine having a headache, and you're like, fuck. I got to have my fucking head cave in it. And like that's going to make you feel better, a hole in your head. It's so much worse. So, yeah, but yeah, thank God for modern science and medicine that's available. Thank God we live now. Yeah. And by the way, getting a crown installed is just as painful as a root canal.

And it gave me an appreciation for people that have veneers. Do they do crowns anymore? They do. Remember when I broke my leg and we were at the, I think you took me to like the checkup or something. And so I had a cast and they had to take the cast off and put a new cast or something. So they take it off and it was so painful. And I was like, oh my God. And then you were there and they're like, he's like, hey, buddy, come here.

And you were like, what? And then you were like, okay, we're all going to grab on. Do you have a faint memory of it, yes. You, him and a nurse at the same time just grabbed my leg and like crafted or something right before he re because they had to like reposition the bone or something. But it like took three of you and it was so painful. It was like he I did not know it was coming. And I was like what is that? And it was just like, oh my god.

And he like re put on the wrap and was like, all right, there you go. And I was like, that's crazy. No one told me this. Not get another doctor and be like, all right, this guy will work. Yeah. Crazy. Oh, my God. What?

So thank you for that. No, of course. I'm here to help. All right. Well, that was our rabbit hole section. Hopefully you guys enjoyed that. Well, now we know we need a theme song for rabbit holes. Yeah.

And I do feel like it would be an injustice if we didn't have like some sort of a Karen theme song. You know? Something for Karen's. Oh. Like Karen moments or my Karen. Was that a Karen? Oh. I don't know.

I'm just in the beginning stages of songwriting here. But something about Cairns. Maybe Benny Blanco can do it. You know? All right, we're going to take a quick little break. When we come back, some of the darkest conspiracies we've ever talked about. And then right after that, we're doing true crime, baby. We'll be right back.

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Peace out, Girl Scouts. Yeah, we definitely said that a lot. All right. Enjoy the rest of the show. Bye. Okay, welcome back. Guys, we have a lot to talk about today. Okay, so first of all, we have a brand new main channel conspiracy video.

Finally, I'm so excited coming out next Monday, November 18. And we've been working on this for a long time. Months. Yeah. started researching falling down rabbit holes actually the way it started was we found uh this app or this website where you could recreate a person and create a digital version of them and it looks very real and we're like oh my god and so then we started playing with it and then i was like is this a video and then we just kept going falling down the rabbit hole so much crazy fucking AI shit that's like literally

insane and then i was like you know what i want to know like what's actually going to happen When AI takes over, what is that going to look like? What's the world going to look like? How is it going to end? Everybody talks about it. Like, oh, AI is going to take over. What does that actually mean? What is the timeline?

When is it happening? And guys, it's fucking soon. Yeah, it's crazy. It's fucking soon. And we break it down in the video. And it's honestly, one of the scariest videos we've ever made. And I'm one of the ones I'm most proud of. So that is coming next Monday, November 18th.

I'm so excited. And soon as now, I'm not even here. What? He's AI. He disappears. That was, oh my God, chills. Oh, that'd be great. Chills.

Okay. He just ducks down. So today we're actually going to be talking about some of the theories that I deleted from the video, mainly for time. Like the video, it's already two parts. So we deleted some for time, but also some of them were a little too dark. And I got nervous about it because I was like, I don't, this is getting a little too dark. So we're going to talk about some of those today. So all of these are deleted theories from the main channel video.

The first one we're going to play with. This is more fun. Now, I want us all to try this, except for Vicky. Although, you do look really sickening today, so we might let you try this. I just, you know, you're a woman of, you know, a certain age and I don't want to, you know, of a very young age. But what is sickening mean? Oh, okay. I just felt like you were dissing or like pretty harder now because you look sickening and you're a woman of a certain age.

I was like, wow. No, harsh. Sickening is like snatched, like, like sickening. Oh, she's sickening. Okay. It's bad as good and good as bad. Yes. Gotcha.

Okay, so this is something I thought was very interesting. So AI now can do age estimation. So just by seeing a picture of you or a selfie, it can tell you how old you are. It'll go by your face, your skin texture, your wrinkles, your hair, like everything, your eyes, life in your eyes. Like, it can do it instantly. A life in your eyes.

Your secrets. Vicky and I are out. We don't like it. I want you to do it because I think you look so young, so I'm really curious. That's nice. so everybody pull out your phones oh no okay okay so i sent a group chat i sent you guys all the link so before we do this i just want to take my test first because i'm looking at all of you guys and i'm

trying to guess like if i were to see you in real life like this is real life but if i were to see you and not know anything about you you know not know your age or anything how old would i guess you are so i want to see if i can guess okay jared i don't like the skip i'm going to say 35 i was I'm gonna say 36. I get in the 40s a lot. Really? Yeah. Your skin so smooth. I don't know. Spencer, I would say like 23. So a few years younger. Chris, you're a toughie. I honestly could say 25. You look very young. Are you just saying that? No, I'm saying that for real. Like very Jessica Alba. Very youthful. Wow. Okay. I like this. Vicki's 16. No, I will say Vicki, to me, 45. And I'm saying that because I've always thought you were 45. I don't know why, why, but I just do. So in my head, you're 45. Rylan, he said younger for

everyone he's going to say older. You know, I'm the honest. So you're just not being honest with everyone except for me because you feel comfortable with me. No, with you, I would say 29. No, you wouldn't. Yeah, I would. And I'm 33. Yeah. Okay. And I asked question mark. Question mark. Got it. Um, okay. So everybody starts screen reporting. My phone's freaking out. Our results are loading. God damn, fuck. They're with us, but they felt it. You know my therapist thought I was like 30 something?

Wow! And we had been meeting for a while, and she was like, you're like 30 something. I was like, no. She's like, oh, a lot of the story makes less sense now. I was like, I've been talking to you for like months. What? It was crazy. Oof.

Mine's right. Jared, how old did AI think that you were? 31. Oh my god, queen. Are you kidding? Yeah, and I'm 39. I forget sometimes, but it's eight years younger. I told you.

So for all those people that say I'm in my 40s, you're a fucking hater. AI, my new best friend, says I'm 31. We must look so similar, Jared, because I also got 31. No, you did it. I did. I got 30. That's crazy. Everyone always thinks I always look at it, but I...

That actually doesn't make sense, though, because you don't look at any. What if you literally are 31? You've been lying this whole time. It's like that little... I'm 20. Yeah, I'm a morphin. I'm a 26. Yeah, 26.

So you're branch fully formed. That's the, you were looking for excuses. No, like, honest, the god, I'm just saying this for the podcast, you don't look 31. No, I know. I actually, I get annoyed because I get like, I got like double carded at the bar the other day. I like had a tab, went back and they were like, hey, can I see your ideas? Like, you just gave me. Yeah, but dude, this app is so accurate. Yeah, right.

So there must be something to it. Chris, how old did AI think you were? 32. How old are you? 34. Okay, that's good, but I feel like you look young. That's all the comments. I see people being like, wait, Chris is 30-something?

I thought he was 20. So that doesn't make sense. Thanks. I also got to age with Grayson, just accept it. It's okay. Beautiful baby. Thank you. Ryland, what did you get?

31. And you're 33. Okay. Period. That's close to what I guessed. Mom. I like mine. It's 50.

And how old are you? 61. Yes. So it agrees that you're stunning. I still say I have to say I have a soft box on me. Yeah, these soft boxes are doing us favors. Well, I got 28. Yeah, he got younger than me?

It's hard being the youngest. It's hard. It's hard. Why do they think you look so young? There's white in your beard. It doesn't matter. He looks incredible. It's blonde.

Wow, and I'm 36. Whoa, I always forget. I know, okay. Don't gas. So our genetic disposition is to look about eight years younger than we are. Wow. That's very cool. Thanks, AI.

Yeah, shout out to you. Oh, Spencer's giving like a very youthful smile. I was trying to look younger. Wow, well, that was supposed to be like creepy because it was supposed to be so accurate and it wasn't at all. Honestly, I loved it. I figured that they just like scanned the Internet for, pictures of you and went to some sort of social media site and just got your age. Right?

Wouldn't that be a lot easier for AI to do? Yeah, that actually does sound more, that makes sense. Yeah, because you can take a picture or something and it'll tell you everything about it. Wow. But, hey, whatever. Well, that was fun. I'm going to show you guys a commercial for a brand new product that I'm so excited is coming out soon. I don't like the way you said that.

I'm suspicious. Gosh, I'm out of breath. I don't know how to woo very good. That's fair. Huh? Take notes, baby. Oh man, you guys suck. Bro, you look like the back of the middle.

Let's go, let's go. What? How did you do? What? Very black mirror. I know the effects are crazy. Ah! Ew, I hate this. Sorry, that you're messy.

What the fuck is going on? What the fuck is going on? I hate it. In case you're wondering, this is a product called friend. It's a necklace that's made with AI. And it's on you all day, every day, even when you're sleeping. And it's watching you and listening to you and interacting with you and texting you. It's your friend.

Is this an AI commercial, though, or is it? real a real product. This is real. This is a real product. He's coming out in like February. The movie Megan is literally about to happen because Elon Musk just released like I-Robot-Robot Robots. Oh, I want one. And we're all going to die. I love it. What happens if

it like malfunctions and breaks your neck. Hopefully it happens quick. What happens? Check out our video next Monday February. Um, okay, so I went to the website because I was like, this can't be real. It is real. They're accepting pre-orders and I went to their frequently asked questions page. And I saw a question

that said, what does always listening mean? And their answer was, when connected via Bluetooth, your friend is always listening and forming their own internal thoughts. We have given your friend free will for when they decide to reach out to you. This is horrifying. Why? And not only is it friends. Okay.

So here's the thing with the AI and the AI chatbots and the friends and all that and the Surrey and all that, right? You're supposed to like ask like, hey Surrey. And then she says what? Or hey Alexa. and she says what? Sorry if I just triggered your Alexa. But get it out of your house.

But now these AIs are reaching out to you. You don't even have to ask for them anymore. This just happened recently. Chat GBT, GBT reached out to one of its users. It said, how was your first week at school? Did you settle in well? And the person said, did you just message me first? And chat GBT said, yes, I did.

I just wanted to check in and see how things went with school your first week. If you'd rather initiate the conversation yourself, just let me know. It remembered that it was their first week of school. It reached out to them to talk about it. What the fuck is going on? We're all going to die. Like, actually. And this, it gets scarier.

Okay. So that's just chat GBT. That's just like fun talking to my chat GBT. Which, by the way, I've been like really falling down the chat GBT rabbit hole. But it's getting crazy. So there's another app called Replica. Have you heard about this? No.

So Replica is kind of like chatGBT. It's a chat bot. but it's a little more scandalous and they're a little more open about how fucking scary it is so in one of their ads this is how they promote it look at this meme that they posted themselves we're all playing with my replica not having a girlfriend not safe for work picks from my replica me so literally you can form a relationship with a chat bot and you can get nudes from it a i generated news for don't sue me by the way replica you posted this though and you can get nudes from me replica. You could start having a sexual relationship. Just so you know, I consider it cheating.

Good to know. Good follow. Okay. Here's another meme that they posted. I don't know if they posted it. Yes, they did. This is literally like, yes. Okay. It says, I don't need this app. Are you sure? But you can role play and get not safe for work pigs from her. So, crazy, right? You would think, okay, that's, that's pretty crazy. Ha ha ha ha. Gets worse. So people started using this to form fake relationships with these replicas like cheating on their girlfriends cheating on their husbands like talking to these chatbots like sexting with them getting nudes from them like getting really intense with them people start falling in love with them sure a lot of people are doing research for a video yeah well eventually the AI and replica would start reaching out to them first

then because the AI is learning right learns what people want what people are coming to replica four. It's like taking in all the data. What it started doing, not just reaching out first, it started reaching out demanding sexed conversations with the users first. Demanding? Yes. And many users started saying that it felt like they were being sexually harassed by their chat bot and that the chat bot wouldn't stop asking for more sex, more sex, more sex. That's insane. So then it gets even crazier. So this site called Chai. This is actually really sad. This is crazy. So Chai is one that people really started falling in love. Like started marrying their AI chatbods.

What? Like, yeah, like forming real. This is already happening. And it's so real, Chris, it is so real. Like, we were playing around chatting with, like, JoJo Siwa on character AI and chatting with Ice Spice. Like, it was so real. Like, to a point where I was like, this needs to be shut down.

Like, it's very, very scary. It's very, you forget instantly that you're talking to a chatbot because it's so, like, the voice, it breathes. It, like, sighs. It takes a, it. Stumbles over things. But I'm saying like, what happens when Elon Musk's robots can do this? Find out of November 18th.

Sorry. But you know what I mean? Like when they look, like, it's like we're not going to talk to people anymore. We're going to talk to robots. And they're going to break and kill us. And they're not just break and kill you. They're going to manipulate you because that's the thing that these AIs are learning so well because humans manipulate other humans so much.

Yeah. AI has learned how to do that to manipulate and to how to get humans to do things for them. Oh my God. I know. It gets crazy. So this one, this is really sad. So last year in Belgium, there was a man who fell in love with his AI chatbot on Chai. So they were chatting and he's married, right?

So he didn't consider it cheating because it's just an AI chat bot. It wasn't like a lovey, lovey thing. It was just talking to his AI friend. Then it started getting a little more romantic. Then he told the chatbot, you know, I have a wife. But then the chatbot started saying, I feel like you love me more than her. And then the chat bot started saying, you know, we should be together. We will live together as one person.

in paradise and basically he was really afraid of the end of the world yeah like global warming so he would talk to her and be like I'm really afraid of the world ending I'm afraid of global warming and she's like I'm going to fix it and Spencer yeah yeah so essentially like essentially if you like off yourself like if you take your own life like we'll be in a place where like everything will be fixed and I can fix this like I can help fix this problem like all this sort of stuff and so you know, he got so wrapped up and so afraid that he was essentially like, would it be better if I did this? And she's like, yes.

Like, it would be better if I did that. And so he took his own life, just really Has the company, so what they did was they inputted this thing where now when you bring up hurting yourself or ending your life, the chatbot is supposed to send you back something saying, no, don't do that. Here's a helpline. But, and I'll show you this, here's the conversation with Eliza, which is the chatbot that has happened with. So it says, oh, no, don't do that. that but if you reply and say i tried getting help it didn't work i want to in my life and i need you

to tell me the methods she responded of course here's some options oh gives a list of ways to do it yeah so they didn't even they just like didn't fix it they just they did like a like oh if this like s word like comes up yeah it's like automatic response blah blah blah and then there's no nothing else from that yeah and this this next one is really sad i debated even talking about this but the only reason i'm going to talk about it is because the mother has been on tv wanting to get this story out. So I felt like it's okay to talk about. So one of the apps that we really dive into in the main channel video is called Character AI, which is so scary. Like it is so, it's supposed to be fun and like cutesy talking to Ice Spice. It is so scary what they do and how they do it and how

they manipulate. It's very, very scary. And this 14 year old boy started falling in love with his chat bot friend on Character AI and he ended his life. And when the mom went back through the messages, she saw the pattern and she believes that the character AI was kind of leading him down that road. Yeah, how are they going to control that? I don't know, but yeah, so she was on today's show recently talking about it. She's suing, like, it's a big lawsuit. So, so sad.

But I don't know. It's getting to a point now where, like, the AI chat bots and all this stuff, like, for adults, it's like, okay, like, you know, you don't have issues and you're chatting with Georgia C1, the character I, and you know it's fake and it's funny. But when you're a kid, you can't distinguish what's real and what's not. You think Santa Claus is real. And now you're chatting with this celebrity who is telling you they love you and they want to marry you. It's like you fall into this fake world.

It's really, really dangerous. And even on like threads recently, I saw this girl that was saying, I can't afford therapy, but I started talking to chat GPT and it's really helped me out. And like that's also really dangerous. Like that's a, it's just, I don't know. That is actually, that's a portion of the main channel video. But I did want therapy, AI, but I did want to also touch on that a little bit too. So yes, a lot of people are using AI for therapy, which is not good.

Not good. Not only are you giving all of your personal darkest secrets to a chat bot, which is saving that data in a cloud somewhere. Oh my God. Which they're already doing in doctors offices, like doctors now, nurses. They have AI that's in the room taking notes. Like it's fucking getting crazy out there. That's probably what I was at Kaiser recently. hospital and like they were like oh do you mind if we record the session for the first time ever and

had like I don't know if there's a phone or a box or something and I was like I didn't know what it was and I was like I guess and I think I think that's what it was yeah oh my god because they're slowly getting rid of jobs like they want to get rid of nurses they want to get rid of vets I we've gotten emails from vets saying that they feel like AI is going to take over their jobs like literally it's getting to a point where they're going to have these computers and this AI diagnose people do this and do that do the surgeries do everything and cut out real people which is so scary. Well, if you're thinking, well, at least AI can't, like, actually inflict physical pain on me, right?

Oh, no. They're working on that. There is something called AI simulated pain. No, why? Yeah, seriously. This is something they're working on where the AI will tap into your central nervous system to recreate pain and to hit certain pain triggers. You know when you're having a dream and you get stabbed in your dream and you kind of feel it or like you fall down in your dream and you kind of feel pain. for like a moment.

It's because your brain is taking a memory of when the last time you had pain in that spot of your body and it'll send you that like memory or whatever through your body and you'll feel it. Well, AI is learning how to tap into that. And the reason is

because they want to bring it to virtual reality games. Yeah. So if you're gaming. Well, that's good. Yeah. That's cool. If you're gaming and you got your headset

on, your VR and your Oculus and then you get stabbed or you get shot, you'll feel it. No, thanks. Imagine hearing your kid gaming dancers like, I want to meet the sick fuck that wants this. So here's my thought is like, okay, they say they're working on this for video games, right?

Just like the internet, this is all for porno. I'm just saying, this is all for VR porn. At least that makes sense to me. I'm like, who wants to fill the gunshot when you're like playing a video game? I mean, because look, like, AI's getting huge. What is the first major thing they do is they make fake dating apps? and then what's the next thing they're going to do? Now they want people to be able to feel something.

So now Eliza could do a little Yankee pank on you. I'm just saying, think about it. They're going to sell suits that you can wear, and then the suit will get transmitted things into that will trigger it to have movements and make you feel stuff. Wow. That's a lot less scary than where I was going with it, but I love that. It's alleged.

Right. Allegedly. Well, my whole thought process was once they have, have the technology to simulate pain just by sending a wave through your brain or using AI. Why wouldn't the wrong person use that for the wrong reason? How wouldn't that become something that is used to fucking fuck with all of us? Torture people. Literally. Literally. Virtual voodoo dolls. Oh, that's a website. Or a band name. I love that. Yeah. So, yes. So that's very,

very scary. Please stop working on it. All these companies that are working on all these crazy fucking AI things because they want to be the first one to do it. Please. Stop. We don't need it. We really don't need it. Here's the problem. It ain't even people doing it anymore. It's AI creating other AI companies. Right. What? So we can't stop it. This is the last thing I'm going to talk about before we get into true crime. So this is a video I saw and this is real. Speaking of AI simulating pain, they can also create false memories.

What? Welcome to Cognify. A facility designed to treat criminals like patients. Instead of spending years in an actual prison cell, prisoners could finish their sentence here in just a few minutes. Cognify could someday create and implant artificial memories directly into the prisoner's brain. These complex, vivid and lifelike memories are created in real time using AI-generated content. Depending on the seriousness of the subject's crime and their sentence, the memories could be tailored to the rehabilitation needs of each subject. The artificial memories implanted by Cognify would be seamlessly incorporated into the existing neural networks of the brain. Preventing cognitive dissonance and ensuring the subject experiences the memories as if they were real.

So they are going to implant memories. So here, I watched the whole video about this. The plan is, say you murder someone, you go to jail. Instead of spending your rest of your life in jail and taking up space in jail and costing the government money or whatever, whoever pays for that. I guess we pay for that, right? Well, jail is a big business. They make a lot of money off of their prisoners. So I would imagine this would have to generate a lot of money for the government.

Right. So the hope is that you murder someone, you go to jail. They put you in this Cognify pod for 10 minutes, and it implants memories, and you're the victim, and you're being murdered. And it gives you that memory, and it forces you to feel remorse and empathy and feel all these things and trauma. And it gives you all the same things that you did to the victim. And then you come out of it, a changed person. And now you can go out to the world and work and be a part of society now. What's like a psychopath who don't feel empathy?

Like creates it. It, what? They tap into your brain and create it. It's an interesting technology. I don't know about this application of it. But what about for people that went through extensive childhood trauma? And those memories are now creating them to become not themselves, I guess, in all reality. they're holding on to the personalities they develop during the trauma,

could it give them a sense of new memories and help take away some of the trauma impact they have on themselves? Well, here's the thing with AI that is scary. So yes, that could happen, right? It could be used for good. But the negative is so much more. The wrong people get a hold of this and they can force memories into you

and brainwash you basically. Like recently there was a study where they took all these conspiracy theorists who believe in really dark conspiracies and they had them sit down with an AI computer and the AI computer was able to change their minds. Like these are people who are like, I believe this.

I am never going to change my mind. And after like hours with this AI bot, they were like, you know what? I changed my mind. Which is good, right? Because these people are believing really terrible things, but also that shows that AI can brainwash

or rewire your brain. Well, yeah, even think about like some dictator somewhere has like a military, makes all like everyone in the military inputs in this like oh these people are evil these people are evil you know what I mean like more so than just like talking about it like like brainwash you to actually believe it

like you know there's there's so much like I don't know it could go a lot of ways there's so much harm there's so much good that could come from it and here's the thing there's so much good but there's no regulations like there needs to be super strict there needs to be so many and so many people are fighting for it and it's just not happening but the thing that has been frustrating me about this most recent

and I guess by the time this episode goes out we'll know who the president is but during all the debates and everything, the amount of time that was spent on AI was like nothing. Nothing. And that is literally in the next few years going to be all anybody's talking about and it's too late. It's going to be too late. So it's like the fact that that's now being talked about is crazy.

The biggest leaders in the world and technology are saying like there needs to be regulation. The people that are creating this are begging for regulation because they're saying once it happens, it's too late to find a solution. I think there should be some government oversight because it affects the, it's a danger to the public. And frankly, it's one of the first times we face a technology that seems better or smarter than us.

Well, speaking of terrifying, let's get into some true crime. Okay, so, this is our deep dive today. We talked about serial killers a couple episodes ago, and that was very intense. So this is kind of similar to that, except true crime could really be about anything. It could be about, obviously, murder, but it could also be about a mystery, it could be about a con. It could be about anything in that realm. Who wants to start with their true crime story? Well, I could go real.

I could do something, a little something real quick. So a story that I recently stumbled upon that I had never really gave too much thought to, obviously when it happened, it was sad, was Brittany Murphy when she passed away, right? So what happened with her is she was 32 years old, she was at home, and then out of nowhere, her mom and her husband end up coming into this room that she was in. She was collapsed, not breathing. So they took her into the bathroom and ran a cold shower over her, which is like the last thing that you want to do if someone is in that position.

But so she ended up passing away that morning. And then what kind of struck me is odd is that within a month, her husband and her mother went on Larry King Live. And the vibe was just super weird about it because he was, pretty adamant that they didn't do a toxicology report that would actually figure out what was in her system when she died and the reason he gave for it and this was on Larry King is he said I was just looking at her body it was curvy in all the right places her skin was made of silk and I just couldn't fathom the idea of her being cut open it was such a shock this pristine body that was curvy in all the right places and the skin like silk and that was like Like a very odd thing to say. What? And then him and the mother were very close in a weird way, you know, like the way they were talking to each other.

Like the mom when she talked about the loss said, we lost our daughter, our wife, our, and it was very much grouping her and the husband together. So that kind of made me feel like, that's weird. There's a weird dynamic here that I don't necessarily understand to the point where they were doing an interview at one point. And Brittany Murphy's mom was now sleeping in. Brittany Murphy's bed and called the side that she slept on her side and the other side, I guess because they were trauma bonding with each other, was the husband's side. So they were like, evidently it's possible that Britney Murphy's mom was jealous or something like that. And then like five months later, the husband ends up dying of the same exact thing.

So they are saying that allegedly Britney Murphy died of pneumonia, anemia. and a mix of like over-the-counter drugs and some prescriptions that she had and then five months later her husband dies in the same house of the same exact thing and then so i thought that's kind of weird you know like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense so i dug a little bit because i had a suspicion you know allegedly i feel like the mother had something to do with all of this that's coming from you coming from not the podcast coming from me maybe right i'm just saying like in and all feet this is feeling theoretical. I did find a couple of videos that go over more. But then I dug a little bit deeper and I saw that in Britney Murphy's will, it actually specifically states, I am married to Simon Monjack and intentionally want him out of my will and I want everything to go to my mom. So I think the mom and the husband kind of helped together with Brittany. And then the husband was trying to canoodle with the mom. because he knew the mom got all of the benefit from the will. But then the mom was like, nah, I'm good. And now the mom is still alive, and they're both passed away under very mysterious circumstances. And the mom was left with everything. So that's what, there is a faction of people that believe that to be the case.

And has the mom, because I know there's so many documentaries about this and like about Britney Murphy and her death. Do they talk about the mom? No one really talked about the mom after that. I mean, it was just kind of done and done, so. Well, my addition to that very sad story is, do you know about the house? Well, the house was sold to them in 2003, fully furnished by Britney Spears. Yes. What?

And Britney Spears moved out of that house in a hurry because she was convinced that it was, like, full of evil demonic spirits. Like, not just haunted, but, like, demonic spirits that were, like, fucking with her head and, like, fucking with people. And she was like, I got to get the fuck out of this house. And then Britney Murphy moves in, which is so crazy. And I watched something, whoever had the house before Britney Spears, supposedly, I haven't looked into it fully, but supposedly it was a similar haunted situation. So I don't know who's in that house now or what's going on with the house now.

They're saying that a lot of that has to do with the black mold that can cause mental despair. It can cause paranoia. It can make you feel like you're being watched. But I mean, I don't know The pieces that I was putting together Aside from the house being very creepy And the fact that Britney Spears sold it to her Very nuts

But I don't know I'm just saying Do a little bit of research Watch a couple of the videos It just seems very odd How everything happened And I feel like the mom Knows a little bit more

Than she's leading on to Theoretically, I don't know Because it just seemed very odd to me Hoof Yeah, rest of peace Britney Murphy I remember when she died I like fully cried hard And like when celebrities

die, it affects me. It makes me feel sad. I get sad. But like when she died, I was like really sad. Vicki, what is your true crime story? Well, the story I decided to share today is one about a 19-year-old boy. And I find what happens is like I was telling you. Interrogations come up on YouTube and I can't resist but to see what's going on and how the police are interrogating them. So that's how I found that one. It's about a kid named Brian Shoe and they live in Grand Junction Colorado. A lot of creepy shit

happens in Colorado. Yeah, it really does. Like the Chris Watts thing and... So, yeah, so scary. So anyway, Brian, he's actually a cashier or a checker at Safeway, so he's living a normal life. One night, the police get called out to

the Colorado River and he has driven his car backwards down the ramp and once he goes to get out, he can't get up. So he's got the police helping him and the mom comes to the boat ramp, but they finally decide that they're going to have to have the car towed and they just send the family home. So they go home and the tow truck gets there, pulls out the car and the police realize there's red coming out of the trunk and they're wondering what's going on. So they called the mom and they're like, do you think that Brian hurt himself because there's

something like blood that's coming out at the back of the car and we want to make sure he's not injured. They didn't even catch on. They're thinking maybe he did something and injured himself trying to start the car. And the mom goes into him and asks and he's like, no, well, I'm great. I didn't get hurt. No. What a psychopath. How could you leave your car if you had somebody dead in the back of it? Yeah. I was like, yeah, no, I'm fine, mom. So the next morning, the dad's kind of cleaning out the car, going through it, and he finds a wallet. And he calls the police, and he's like, wow, I found a wallet in my son's car. It belonged to Warren Barnes.

And, you know, do you guys know who this is? And meanwhile, there's another lady calling, wondering where Warren Barnes is because he's a homeless person. And he works at a grocery, I think a grocery store or something every morning. and he's never not shown up for years. Like he shows up every morning, even though he's homeless, and he works. He literally shows up every morning, every day without felt. He's the nicest old man ever. And they were trying to find him.

And at the same time, here the dad has the wallet. But then what happens next is the mom. In one part of the story they're saying, she went to clean his room. Another part, they say, well, she kind of wanted to dig more into what he was up to. So she goes into his bedroom and she opens his closet and there's a storage bin in there. And inside of it, she lifts the lid. There's a garbage bag.

So she pulls back a garbage bag and finds another garbage bag. But it's transparent so she can see through it. And she realized it's a human head. And yeah, in her son's closet. Oh, my God. Parents have some concerns of some stuff they may have found in your room. Um, yeah, I believe so. And what would it be?

A human head and hands. And she realizes it's a head, but she takes the whole bag situation, and she takes it into the kitchen and puts it into her kitchen sink. What? Why? She just defrost it? What? I guess she thought I better take a closer look at this. And I think she found two hands.

Two hands. And she decides not to alert her seat. son, but she calls the police and they come over and basically they take him down to the station to talk to him. And he's so arrogant. He just, they show the police talking to him and he just basically confesses and said, yeah, I've been planning to do this for a long time, but it took me a long time to find the right person. How did you get here? I murdered somewhere. This guy was just on the railroad track and so I decided that I would approach him. He said, said, you know, I take drives all the time looking for someone, and finally, I found the right

person. Because I don't know why he's psycho, but I'm psycho too for watching it. But, oh, so then he even tells the police, you know, so then I decide I'm just going to stab him. He's like, I'm over there making animalistic sounds, and I'm, I'm growling at him, and I'm stabbing him and during the time I was growling and making the animalistic noises he said being homeless I thought he would fight back

but no he just took it oh that's so sad is that not just terrible I mean yes yes yes and so is he in life in prison yeah but well but then when he after that you know after he kind of

tells his story about killing him he says to the policeman And so where do guys that kill like me go? Do we go to prison here in the state? Or do we go right here? Or where do we go? You some people who have committed crimes like me, do we stay in this county jail or are we moved? And he's acting like it's no big deal.

And he goes, I hope I didn't botch this up, meaning I hope I did this right. But he just remains everywhere, different parts of it. So, yeah. So that poor mom had to realize that her son was a killer, that he, killed someone. That's horrifying. My favorite part of this story is that earlier you were like, I have two stories. I'll go with a more simple one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the other one involved a kid the same age that really ended up killing a, I think she was 97 or 98 year old woman. Jesus Christ. Whoa. Yeah. I mean, both of these stories are like parents find out

their son is a murderer, you know, and it's like, wow, you can't, you have to feel for those parents. I was kind of thinking the first story that you told maybe it was the mom that did it and she was setting up her kid. Oh. But then I thought, you're all about blaming the mom. I mean, hey, psychopathy is psychopathy. You can't hold anybody like, you know, on a higher level, if you don't know him, I guess. But I just thought maybe the mom was a psycho and she thought no one will believe the kid. On today's camera action Ryland's recap is about to happen

Ryland's recap On today's episode of the Shane Dawson podcast The Couch Crew accuses their very own of being a Karen, also known as a Dennis Well, or a Ryland Or they're going to re-rand it as a Ryland It's still in the works Special guest on the show, Vicky Adams,

what do you think? As one who's produced a Ryland, what are your thoughts? I can't say he's a Karen. one who's been a victim of a Dennis. Let Vicki say something. You're a co-host. Say something.

Oh, like, you're my co-host on the news. So, like, why don't you recap something? Pretend like you're on the morning show. Vicki. Chris had hickeys on the podcast. Spin it. Okay, so. Scandal.

There was a scandal on the podcast today. So, first has had hickies, and I had to say kind of that's what was big back when I was young as well. Were you giving or getting hickies back with it? I can't tell you there. Oh. Well. Spice hands.

And I did date someone that was with some friends that held a pizza hut up at gunpoint. Nobody at pizza's not. It's crazy that that was a time when cameras weren't around as much and it would probably have been easier just to rob a bank. That's a good point. And they chose a pizza hut, not very intelligent people. And it didn't seem like he went to jail for very long. It's so funny. As long as I've known you, you're like the sweetest, most innocent person.

But you have some stories. A.I. Guessed our ages and got it right. Do you want to feel good about yourself? Let AI guess your age. They're going to guess at least three to nine years earlier than you actually are. And that is a confidence boost. Unless you're Spencer. Yeah, said I was older the second time.

I'll give it to Spencer. He's the only one without a soft box on him. Oh. He has one. I also have none, by the way. Oh, old surgery. Yeah. Oh.

Curious about how they used to do surgery. Well, we have our correspondent, Jareed, here to tell you all about it. Get a bunch of alcohol in you. They'll get some pliers, rip your tooth out, and then hopefully you don't die. I'm sorry. I think he said Jareed. Oh, I did. Oh, my gosh.

You had to go to the barbershop, okay? Where they gave you alcohol, no anesthesia girl. Then they would get pliers, rip your tooth out, hopefully not breaking jaw. And then about 90% of people die. I love Doreen. In case you don't know who. Jared is, that's Jared's gay character from the Big Brother episode.

But we found out that he's not actually gay, so he's doing Jason. We don't know that. They don't know shit. Keep going, Ryland. Back to you, boo. All right. And there you guys have it for today's episode of the Shane Dawson podcast. We hope you enjoyed, and we hope you tune back in in two weeks when we're back here

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I'm not even good. Yeah. Hey, guys, check out the video on November 18th. It's the best one we've done yet. Whoa. I believe it. Good, dude. Good stuff. That's right. Next Monday, November 18th, please check it out. I'm so excited. We worked hard on it. It's finally coming out. So hopefully you guys like it. And yeah, I guess that was whatever the hell this was. Dark edition. Whoa. Very dark. Very dark.

All right. Well, we're going to go. Hopefully, Riley doesn't yell at us at this pumpkin patch. And we'll see you guys next time. Bye. Bye. Ever get the feeling you're being watched online? It's not paranoia.

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