The Sheet with Jeff Marek - 4 Nations Fall Out ft. Pierre McGuire & Carter Hutton

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

Pierre McGuire and Carter Hutton join Jeff Marek for a special edition of The Sheet, which will go live immediately following the Canada/Finland game. Discussing the group stage, Saturday night's rivalry game between Canada and the USA, goaltending controversies, and much more...Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/SHOW INDEX00:00 Intro04:45 FanDuel Daily Outline05:49 Pierre McGuire35:15 Carter Hutton1:00:01 Closing ThoughtsReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Can I be that guy to kick off the show? Little bit later today than usual, wanted to make sure we got in the full Canada-Finland game before we went live, figuring everyone's gonna be watching this thing anyway. Hey Zach, I wanna be that guy. Can you be with me while I'm that guy? Yeah, let's hear it.

All right, Canada wins five-three, final is set, Canada versus US. Can you be with me while I'm at guy? Yeah, let's hear it. Alright, Canada wins 5-3. Final is set, Canada versus US. We are going to rewind and talk about Saturday and what we saw, what we heard and the fights and all of it. But I'm going to be that guy. Bennington's got to have that Essel and Del shot.

Every single game there's one. If you're a Canadian fan you're feeling good about going up for nothing you're not feeling so good about the end, Glandon with a pair, he was excellent but that Essel Lendell shot again every single game there's been one. You know the game Saturday was Gensel. I'll give him Larkin because that's a that's pretty close to a perfect shot on Saturday. But that Esselandale shot Bittington's got to have. He's got to have that. Yeah I I agreed with Laz a little bit more than you on the Larkin one. I do understand

where you're coming from but I thought it was a little bit further out there. So it was like, I guess more so what I thought about that one is where I agree with Lars is like the big save, the big moment save. You come up with one there and he referred to the one where McDavid came down on Hellebuck and you're looking at that one. It's like Hellebuck makes that save. You didn't get it at the other end. I don't know Jeff I'm getting like I'm watching the puck cross the blue line right now I got some clenching going on there's sweat it's nerve-wracking. He

just looks jittery I know listen we're gonna talk to Pierre McGuire in a couple of moments here he was at the game're going to talk to Carter Hutton about goaltending. DFO Live goes live from Boston at five o'clock Eastern. So we'll get there in a couple of moments too. But Canada looking really good through two periods of play. Canada looking good for like three quarters of the game. And then the Esselendale goal happens. And then Granland with a pair. Granland's excellent by the way.

Like flat out, excellent hockey player, full stop, good on the Dallas Stars. Um, and all of a sudden and cross, first of all, cross me with the collision at center ice intentional or not. And then has the presence of mind to fire that one in the empty net, diffusing all the tension at TD Garden for all the Canadian fans in this was like, Oh, cause you saw it, right? Oh, we're going to OT. Oh, it's going to be one more. It's going to be off a shin pad.

It's going to be heel of a stick. It's going to be toe of a stick. It's going to be off a skid. It's going to be something because I'm with you. Everyone's a little bit jittery about Jordan Bittington and they have good reason to be jittery about Jordan Bittington so far this tournament. and they have good reason to be jittery about Jordan Bennington so far this tournament. But congratulations, I suppose, to Team Canada.

They make it through to the final against the United States. Don't say it like that. Well, I mean, how else are you gonna say they look great? Like, out of the jaws of victory, they almost snatched defeat. Like, here we go, it was looking great, looking great early, McDavid's looking awesome,

what a shot, McKinnon with a pair, Point and McDavid look fantastic together, and you're thinking, okay, you know what, they're just gonna park this thing for a couple of periods, and it's gonna be A-okay, it's gonna be cruise control for the rest of the game. And I don't know if I mentioned this already, but the Essel and Del goal,

the Essel and Del goal is one that just sort of cue the comeback and then, listen, you're a Toronto May Believes fan. You've seen that before. You've seen that story before, Zach Phillips. I don't know what you're talking about. I've never seen 4-1, late Mithurk period at TD Garden. That's never come across my radar.

No, no, that's never happened again. So anyway, USA will now play by way of standings, meaningless game against the Swedes later on this evening. One of those games where, and Jake Ottinger gets a start for USA in that one. One of those games where you just hope that if you're the Americans, everybody stays safe and healthy and you don't develop bad habits.

You don't take your foot off the gas, but at the same time, I don't think you go all out for fear of injury because now it is all eyes on Thursday. All right, coming up on the show, daily outlines presented by our friends at FanDuel, North America's number one sports book app provider. And this is a simple one. We're gonna talk plenty about Canada, Finland.

You just saw it, I just saw it, we all just saw it. We're gonna talk about it here in a couple of moments, a little more thoroughly, with Pierre Maguire, who's at TD Garden, he's on his way to do his own podcast right now, and he's pausing a little bit to make time for us, and for that we thank Pierre Maguire. Also Carter Hutton I mentioned, will join us a little bit later on, we'll talk about goaltending with Carter

Hutton namely Jordan Bennington of the Canadians I don't know if I mentioned this but there's one goal in every game for Team Canada that leaves you scratching your head this all leads up to Thursday night in this Canada facing off against the United States a A rematch of Saturday, which was a really wild game in some regards, and in another perhaps more accurate description, kind of turned into a pedestrian defensive battle for comments on what you just saw and what we've already seen. We head to our good friend Pierre Maguire, who's en route to doing his own podcast and he's pausing to make time for us now. Pierre, thanks so much for stopping by as always.

How are you, sir? I'm excellent, Jeff. It's really nice to speak with you. I met a friend of mine's establishment in Boston called West End Johnny's. Johnny Caron also has Fenway Johnny's, which is obviously by Fenway Park. Yeah. A little promotion for Johnny Caron who's allowing me to, this is called the President's Room in his establishment. There's actually a rug from the White House right in the way.

It's under the resolute desk, and then this is right out. So a really cool spot right next to TD Bank North. I love it, that's fantastic. Well, thank him for the hospitality and letting you use the facilities. You could talk to us about what you just saw. Now this was a tale of two games this was a story of Canada in control and then Canada at the end hanging on and once again we come away and I'm focusing just on the SL&L goal

that gave the Finns a tiny little glimmer of hope. Grandland scores a pair and all of a sudden the knees are knocking together all across you know all across Canada from coast to coast to coast. How did you see this one? And you know I keep harping on Bennington here but again there's the one goal the Lindell goal like we've seen it before there was the Gensel goal on Saturday there's one goal in every game that leads you to believe that the the speculated Achilles for Canada is turning out to be the actual Achilles here. Your thoughts on what you just saw.

So I'm going to agree with you on everything you said about the week goal, one week goal per game. But here's what I will stand up for Jordan Binnington. I'd be really interested to hear what Carter Hudson has to say. The Thinslake to establish their their offense chip, chase and check. They tried to chip, they tried to check, they tried to chase. The problem was Jordan Binkton was really good handling the puck in the first period.

It broke the Finns down. They couldn't manufacture their offensive cycle game. They couldn't manufacture their four check game. His puck handling was really elite in the first period. So while late in the game, I gave up the week old S.L. Lindell. I completely agree. I thought there were portions in this game where his puck handling made it a much easier game for a Canadian defense that doesn't have a Kayle McCarthur that's 100%, doesn't have Alex Petriangelo, doesn't have Shay Theodore.

So it's a way different kind of a deal that they're dealing with. I thought they handled it really well. I think Jordan was a big part of that. The puck handling skills. Now, Canada was better, subtle little line changes. You know, you see Reinhardt going on a line with Crosby and McKinnon and that line really worked well. You see Stone moving away from Crosby and McKinnon and going with McDavid and with Pointe and And that line was outstanding for Canada. So I saw a lot of subtle things that were really good for Canada. I love the fact Travis Sennheim jumped in the rush

and got an assist in the first period for Canada. That'll give him a lot of confidence. Canada was pretty good in this game. I don't think they were super elite. I thought they were pretty good. And again, the underrated part of the game for them, I think, Jeff, was how well Jordan Binnington handled the puck, especially in the first period. You know, that makes then specific dump-ins much more important for, because

this is one of those things that John Cooper was talking about before the game, you know, justifying the decision not to go to Aiden Hill, but to stick with Jordan Binnington. He did talk about the puck handling and how much easier it is as a defender when you have a goaltender that can handle the puck. Well, the interesting thing, and we saw this on Saturday, I mean, USA kept the puck away from Bennington, right? They really, really did. And that's gonna be of prime importance come Thursday

in this final matchup. You mentioned some of the line changes here, and it seemed as if right away, well first of all, were you surprised that it took Cooper that long to get to his top two lines? Like we didn't see those top two lines like a good like what, two and a half minutes into the game and you're like,

why are you hiding McDavid and McKinnon and Crosby here? What are you doing John Cooper? You know I think one of the things that happens when you have such an elite coaching staff, and you know, whether it's Rick Tocque, whether it's Pete DeBoer, whether it's Bruce Cassie, whether it's John Cooper, you got a lot of brain power on that bench, sometimes paralysis through overanalysis. And it wouldn't surprise me if maybe there was a tinge of overanalysis, which led to some paralysis.

And then finally, the manager of the group just says, no, I'm going to do it my way. And I think that's where it was thought to. And so I give him a lot of credit. John, the one thing, and I know you know this, Jeff, but this is for our viewers and our listeners out there. John Cooper is an excellent manager of people. He's an excellent manager of getting things organized. He's not the most brilliant tactician.

He's not the guy that you're gonna be able to get to go in your room and give you a note, Vince Lombardi, rah rah rah, that's not his thing. But he's a really good manager, and I think he showed his managerial capabilities today. Yeah, well why do you think this works? Like the combination of the top six specifically, like right away it looked like McDavid and Point

were just right there, like two speedsters, and they could think and measure each other's brains, and Mark Stone is just one of the smartest players in the game, and then Crosby with McKinnon, I mean that's kind of an obvious one, you throw Reinhardt on the right side. Why do you think that these two lines clicked? What made these two work?

I think Point's just such a smart player, and his speed is so dominating and his ability to control the puck on the boards is an underrated part of his game. So I think that's why I think it really worked well with McDavid. In terms of Crosby and McKinnon, that's pretty apparent. But I love the fact that Reinhardt's here. If you watch the Sydney assist off the cycle game down low, you see where Reinhardt's so valuable.

You see Crosby's peripheral vision and strength on the puck. And then you see McKinnon's ability to get it in traffic and release it quick. The catch release was awesome. It's little things that lead to big things. The one thing I thought today compared to the first two games, Mark Stone was skating a lot better. And I think part of that is because Braden Pointe

and Connor McDavid made him have to keep up where I think with the Crosby and with McKinnon, he wasn't skating as well. I think he skated a lot better today. Let me rewind to Braden Point here. He's one of my favorite players to talk about. You know, and one of the, you know, I'm not going to say who the team was, but there's a

team out there in the NHL that didn't draft Braden Point. I know the Western Scouts were banging there in the NHL that didn't draft Braden Point. I know the Western Scouts were banging the table for him. They didn't draft him. I think I might've told you this story before. Maybe you already know it. That didn't draft him because he had a poor, wait for it, force plate result at the combine.

Just going to let that sink in for one second. He is one of the most creative players in the NHL. And he's also a shooting threat. One of my favorite things to watch is when I'm watching Tampa Bay Lightning and I always bite on it. That Kucherov fake from the boards when he peels a hard rim off and he fires at the point who one times it in. I bite every single time.

Like it's the first time I've seen that. I mean, that's just part of the magician that Kucherov is. But he's creative, he's fast, he's not shy, and he's a shooting threat. Why do we not make more, I mean, I know we're living in another sort of golden age of offensively gifted players, but why don't we make more of a bigger deal

about Braden Point? I don't get it, I don't get it. Some of us do, I know you do, I think I try to. I think part of it is that for a lot of years, Dampko was there, Kucherov was there, Hedman's there. If you look at it, he's kind of buried. You know, in the rosters, it's kind of, I can tell you this, when I was in Pittsburgh, we had all those star players.

Nobody made enough of how good a player Larry Murphy was. You know, nobody. We talked about Jaeger, we talked about LeNu, we talked about Recchi, we talked about Stevens, we talked about Francis, we talked about Samuelsson. Nobody talked about Jagger. We talked about the new we talked about recce. We talked about Stevens. We talked about Francis We talked about Samuelson. Nobody talked about Larry Murphy. I think Braden point is their version in Tampa of Larry Murphy I know they play different positions But they both are right-hand shots and I think they've just been overwhelmed by having players with bigger Reputations that have played ahead of them. Let me go down a quick little side road here with you on Larry Murphy I'm so glad I saw I was on morning cup of hockey this morning with a filling in for Colby that have played ahead of them. Let me go down a quick little side road here with you on Larry Murphy.

I'm so glad, I was on morning cup of hockey this morning with a filling in for Colby. So me and Johnny were talking and I was just sort of, you know, over the weekend, I'm getting back, we're all international hockey this and so I'm picking up the odd book here and there that I have here at the library and I reread this one over the weekend

and you know, you go back to 1987 and you know that closing sequence, the goal, the Lemieux goal, Keenan pulls Messi out and puts in Howard Chuck for the draw. There's the hook that we only saw one repeat angle. The thing that, I don't want to say it made the play, but it just shows you like how connected everybody was on the play.

It's the Howard Chuck draw. It's the Wayne Gretzky through the neutral zone and the pass to Lemieux. But it's Larry Murphy going to the far point, or the far post. Goes to the far point as like, Pierre, it's the greatest decoy I think I've ever seen. No one at Cobbs Coliseum thinks that Murphy's

gonna get that pass. The pucks on Lemieux stick. He's not passing, Murphy's gonna tap it if Lemieux passes. But everyone knows Lemieux's shooting, but the goaltenders got to respect it and freezes and the goalie freezes because of Larry frickin Murphy who doesn't get any praise on that goal It's all about Gretzky to Lemieux, but to me, it's Murphy freezing the goalie by going post You have a couple more thoughts on Larry Murphy's one of my another one. I love talking about One of the greatest privileges I ever had was to coach Larry and work with Larry and coach together. Larry was one of the most coachable players I've ever had the honor to work with. He was really addicted to wanting to handle the puck in the offensive blue line.

He and Joey Mullen and I would go out before every practice early, maybe 30 minutes early to just work on Joey's release and Larry handling pucks along the blue line. I can't say enough good things about Larry. Every time I see him. It's just an amazing treat special special guy great player and obviously the Hall of Famer and just I can tell you Jeff It was a real privilege and honor to have the honor to work with him on a daily basis Really? That was I believe it. I believe and a wonderful guy to boot. Okay. Let me rewind to Saturday and the start of the game specifically. Now, the one thing I'm going to nitpick here, Pierre, I'm going to get really, I'm going to get really pacific as we stay in the Atlantic here, Pierre.

I'm going to really nitpick something. So, Hegel and Matthew Kachak fight off the opening draw. Okay. Brady Kachak and Sam Bennett fight and then JT Miller and Colton Pareko. What would have sent the message that this is for real and we are only interested in the moment right now. There's no NHL. There's no nothing else other than this tournament and this game is if they switch partners in the first two fights. If it was Sam Bennett, if it's Sam Bennett and Matthew Kachuk, two Florida Panthers going for it. Like, first of all, the way it started was,

I mean, the energy is sky high, it's going through the, and everyone's calling, you gotta watch this game, it's crazy, it's wild. You saw the numbers for the game were fantastic. But was there a part of Pierre Maguire that said this is good But if I want to make it even better, I want Bennett and Matthew Kachuk your thoughts on that idea Well, yeah, no, I would have been interested to watch that now Here's one thing I'm gonna tell you Jeff that I talked about before the tournament started

I know hockey Canada put together the very best roster they thought to help them win this tournament Obviously, they're going to the final they got a legitimate chance to win I know Hockey Canada put together the very best roster they thought to help them win this tournament. Obviously they're going to the final. They got a legitimate chance to win. But when they put the team together, I said to myself, I think people are mischaracterizing this event. And I wanted to get your take on this one. I knew I was coming out of it.

Everybody's talked about this being a great international event, best on best, Finland, Sweden, Canada, US. Nobody's talked about this is an NHL tournament amongst NHL players. There's not one player playing in this event that's not worked in the NHL or is playing in the NHL. And so I said to myself, before the roster was even set, Tom Wilson needs to be on this team for Canada. And the reason why Tom Wilson needs to be on this team. And the reason for Canada, and the reason why Tom Wilson needs to be on this team is,

as I learned from the great Brian Burke when I worked for him in Hartford, nuclear deterrents matter. If Tom Wilson's playing in that game on Saturday night, you think Matthew's ready to dance with Tommy Wilson? I don't think so. I think Brady is. I don't think Matthew is. And then potentially you get Bennett and Matthew and you get Tommy and

Brady and no pun intended not Tom Brady, but Tom Wilson and Brady stole So if you follow me Jeff that is the only and I'm not gonna quibble because they've gone to the final It's a brilliant management team. It's a really smart coaching staff. But I was looking at the roster construction. I was saying to myself right from the start, this is why Tom Wilson needs to be here. This is an NHL tournament. It's not an international event.

It's an NHL tournament. NHL tournament and that's why, enjoy the fights while you saw them folks. Because a year from now, you are not gonna see that at the Olympics. What so ever, you will not. Well, you know, one of the, you know, there's a couple of interesting things to this one.

Like the start of the game was, okay, so here's how I described it on the morning show, Pierre. You're, see what you do with this one. So I described this one as, it started off like Hagler-Herns. And you remember Hagler, oh, just like, just some of the greatest boxing you've ever seen. Just two guys, right from the opening bell just going.

Started off like Hagler-Herns, but finished up like Mayweather Pacquiao. Big anticipation, but by the end, the story was the defense and the shutdown. And the story, at least to me, was Jacob Slaven and Brock Faber. Just snuffing everything out. The story was like the United States just suffocating Canada. I have never seen that many superstars as Canada dump in pucks while their feet were, weren't moving. They had no options to the blue line and then they just dump pucks and they'd

sort of all look at each other and go, Oh, you the F1 or am I the F1? Like what are we? Okay. It was, it was a remarkable defensive game by the United States. I know the Coopers gonna make all the adjustments the players will as well. But based on what you saw on Saturday,

how would you characterize the game? Exactly what you said, but there's one other element that I think is being missed by a lot of people. The Charlie McEvoy hits, and in particular, the one on the boards, I caught a McDavid after McDavid roasted him going in the net and square on the back end. Those hits send a message both to the American bench and to the Canadian forward saying, you know what, this guy's plugged in tonight and he's dangerous and he's unpredictable.

Not sure I want to pay that price tonight. I'm just not sure it's worth it tonight. It may be down the road. You know, again, I know some people didn't like the money played. I loved them because I coached them. Ulfie Sanderson was a nasty piece of business, Jeff. He was.

But I can tell you right now, he got a lot of people's attention quick because he would do what McEvoy used to do. And he was a lefty playing on the right side. And he would whack people, but good good and it sent a message early in games you better not tread too lightly because if you do this guy might take you out and I think Charlie did that to the Canadian forwards on Saturday night I really do. I thought McEvoy was excellent I mean did he get danced by

McDavid on the goal yeah of course he did I mean he's not he's not the only one to get to get you know posterized as the kids say by Conor McDavid on the goal. Yeah, of course he did. I mean, he's not the only one to get, you know, posterized as the kids say by Conor McDavid. But I will say this, like that entire blue line, I thought was fantastic. I thought Conor Hellebuck was real good. Not that he had to be spectacular. It seemed like it was one shot and out, one shot and out, one shot off the glass. Like that was just that USA was not allowing anything, uh, to get to the net more than just one shot at a time. To me, one of the guys that really stood out was Dylan Larkin and not just the

goal. Now, first of all, that goal is a perfect shot. Like, I don't know who's stopping that one. That one is, is so fast and such a perfect spot and he's doing it in stride, like it's, it's, it's so good to me. Dylan Larkin stood out. Who were some of the other players in Saturday's game that really popped for you? To me, the entire US blue line plus Dylan Larkin did it for me.

I'm so glad you brought up Jacob Slaven. He's such a Niagara Valley player for the longest time. I said, I know it's a trophy that a lot of people don't care about. But when you're the most gentlemanly player in the league and you're a matchup defenseman that says a lot about your talent and your skill and so I was always happy when Jacobs won it twice now and he should have the lady thing but the other one is Rock Faber I'm a huge Faber fan watching play at the University of Minnesota. Obviously it was a big trade with LA to get him and Billy Guerin and the guys in

Minnesota knew exactly what they were getting when they got Brock Faber. Couldn't say enough good things about him. But Jake Gensel, this is the thing. Billy Guerin was part of that skeleton staff in Pittsburgh when they stole Jake Gensel out of Nebraska Omaha. And Pittsburgh when they stole Jake Denzel out of Nebraska, Omaha. And you can just see Jake, Jake, when he's put with the right players, he makes a difference. And I thought the American staff, you could see the fingerprints of Tortorella on that game plan. We could see the fingerprints of Sullivan on that game plan.

You could see the fingerprints of Johnny Hines on that. And you could see the fingerprints of David Quinn. So I thought that American staff, they all played a role in that because all of them have worked together before. Whereas the Canadian staff, none of those guys have ever worked together. Now they're starting to get a better feel.

And I think that's really positive for Canada. Okay, so there's two players I want to key on there. Both the defensemen both played with each other. And that's Jacob Slave and Brock Faber. A couple of points. One, one of my favorite things to do, this is the little peek inside my pathetic head, Pierre. This is how boring my life is. When I watch Carolina Hurricanes games, one of my favorite things to do is watch players. We always hear, oh this guy's got a good stick. Oh good stick, good stick, good stick, good stick, right? I love watching

players try to put the puck underneath Slaven's stick. You can't do it. It's one of those things, I mean you're a coach, you know, it's one of those things that coaches just dream like no you can't get a puck under there. You can try it, you can't get a puck under there. It's one of those skills that players respect and coaches go like oh yeah, yeah, good luck, try it again, try it again, it's not gonna happen. The other thing, and this is always interesting to me, I do love the Calder Trophy. Calder Trophy is always one of the most interesting trophies and we follow it all in the new kids and the rookies and all that, but one of the things that I find is maybe more important than who's the best first-year player is who's the best second year player.

Like I don't know if there can be a trophy for like your Calder plus one trophy, I don't know you would even describe it, but Conor Badaard wins the Calder last year. He was fantastic. Brock Faber was very much in the conversation. As far as like who's the best second year player, Conor's had his struggles this year. Those have been well-documented. I would go Brock Faber. And you know the second year's harder than the first year, Pierre.

And you know this going away. Your thoughts on that one. So I agree with you on Faber, but I'm gonna give you another one. Adam Fantilli. I really think, so last year, Fantilli doesn't get hurt. I think he's gonna win the

Calder Trophy last year I really believe that but he gets hurt and obviously a pretty devastating lower body injury to his Achilles if you watch Adam Fentili play now there's a whole lot of Mike Madano in there there's a whole lot of Mike Madano there's you know Jeff you were around the league I mean I was coaching try drawing up a game plan to shut down Mike Medano and his pride, try to play against, not easy to do. And I think that's where Fantilly's trending right now. It really does.

You know, the interesting thing to Fantilly, this is interesting. So my thought on Fantilly is this, I'm with you. Skill's there, speed's there. He, like when you, you're right. Like when he skates, you think like, wow, we're looking at Madonna here. My only thing about Adam Fentilly

in the spirit of I'm gonna Nick pick everything is he does everything in a hurry. Everything is super fast. Like once, you've seen this before, Pio, the guy that comes in and just like, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed. To me, that's Fantilly. The greats know when to slow it down.

And once Fantilly gets that into his game, then to me, look out. I mean, even Conor McGavid, we all consider the fastest. Even he plays with his speeds, allows gaps to close and then takes off. And like, once Fantilly gets that comfortable at the NHL level where he doesn't have to be in a rush To every single play to every single puck then I think we're gonna see like just how good this kid can be Great point very very fair. I think one of the things that helped Mike we'd have to ask Mike this but being around Neil Broughton Being around the gun in around all those older guys that really understood how

to control the tempo of the game, and then obviously going down to Dallas, who's around you, guy named Joe Noondike, you know, you'll learn too. And I don't think Fantilly has those guys around him right now where Mike potentially got those guys around him and helped him a lot. got those guys around and only helped them a lot. ACAST powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend. Hi everybody, it's Jungle Jim Jerome and I'm super excited to tell you that Inside Curling is back with Canadian and world curling Hall of Famers Kevin Martin and Warren Hanson. I'm Kevin Martin and this curling season, we will be bringing you our ever popular weekly show along with special coverage from Canadian Championships, World Championships and of course the Grand Slam of

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What are you telling your team before this one? Like Thursday's on the horizon, you're playing Canada, it's all set. You're Sullivan. What are you saying? We are gonna continue with our planning and our planning is every day in a short tournament we get better. So we're gonna go up another notch. We're not getting up on man rushes, we're gonna control face-off plays, we're gonna support our center icemen on face-offs. It's not one guy that wins face-offs, it's five guys that win face-offs. We're going to dominate off the rush. We're going to dominate off the cycle. We're not going to

expose our defensemen deep in our own zone. So every day is about a growth day. And if I'm Mike Sullivan, I want to continue to grow my brand. And I think that's going to be an important dress rehearsal for them to be ready, obviously, for Thursday night. Okay, let's get to Thursday night here because once we get past this evening, it's all eyes on Thursday and it's the desired outcome. You know, something that I floated last week and here we are, it's Canada-US. Like this is what everybody wanted, right?

Everybody, I shouldn't say everybody, the lion's share of people wanted Canada-US in the final. You know, once upon a time, you know, I've maintained that the most important game in the Summit Series wasn't game eight. Canadians tend to think that that was the most important one. I think it was game one because that was the birth of international hockey because now there were the Soviets and they just beat Team Canada at the Montreal Forum. All of a sudden, whoa, everything changed. To me that was the birth of international hockey. I was

too young to remember it or even watch it, but me, that was the birth of international hockey. I was too young to remember it or even watch it, but to me, that was the birth of international hockey. It became Canada versus the Soviet Union. The future and the present of international hockey is Canada versus the United States. Do you think it's time, in the spirit of how the women do the rivalry series, you think it's time for,

instead of what we now know as the four nations, which is never coming back, but do you think that there's a place in? the schedule somewhere somehow for a consistent or semi consistent or however many However consistent you can make it five game series between Canada and the United States. The new summit series. This is what everybody wants. The body count will be horrendous by the end of it. Knowing how much these two teams don't get along.

If we had to do it again, would we do four nations face off or a best of five Canada, U.S.? Well, I think this was a good initial departure point. I really do for this type of an event. I love your thought and your theory on the potential for a flag game series between Canada and the United States. I think it'd be phenomenal for the sport, especially here, because it would help TV.

TV needs a lot of help, as you know, right now. And I know everybody's very excited on what the initial numbers were for Saturday night but look at we've had the NHL going since October the TV numbers have been an unmitigated disaster for the NHL and they know it and so this is a really good start to try to reel people in for the last quarter of the season going into the playoffs which is great. I love your thought about a five game series. I think it'd be great.

The one thing I want to say how to respect Jeff and I don't want to make this a political show. Yep. I got a lot of friends in Chechia. I respect them a lot as a hockey country. I got a lot of friends in Slovakia. I respect them very much the hockey country. I got a ton of friends starting with Igor Larry on off in

Russia. I respect them a ton as a hockey country. I got a ton of friends starting with Igor Larianov in Russia. I respect them a ton as a hockey country. And I understand the people that are upset with all this stuff going on. And I get it. But this is about hockey. This isn't about the politics stuff. I think Russia still has to find a place in anything you're going to call best on best, Jeff. I really believe that. I listen I go back to the the original banning of Russia and and Belarus and a lot of it was a lot just bluntly a lot of the European countries would have would

have pulled out of tournaments they didn't what they just didn't want anything like listen there are Russian hockey players playing in the in the NHL that is that is very much a double eye again I'm with you I don't want to this is not my field of expertise and you want to dip my beak in the NHL. That is very much a double eye. Again, I'm with you. I don't want to... This is not my field of expertise. I don't even want to dip my beak in the fountain, but a lot of that was the European countries would have no part of it. And that is a socio-geopolitical issue, obviously, more than it is a hockey one. Okay, closing thought. We'll let you get back to the pub. Looks like a great place, by the way. What do you expect on Thursday?

Like, we're gonna get past tonight, but what do you expect? Are we gonna get three fights in nine seconds? Are we, like, what are we gonna, am I gonna get Matt versus, Matt Kachak versus Sam Bennett finally, are we, like, what are we looking at here for Thursday? I think discipline usually matters in any deciding game.

So I think you're gonna see a lot of discipline. I think both teams will probably be at Red the Riot Act before they actually go on the ice with the NHLPA or from the NHL or from the officials. Why? The thing is why? I think there's going to be physical violence. I don't think there'll be a ton of fighting I don't because when you play a deciding game how much fighting is there? No, there's fighting these here to say look up final

We don't see a lot of fighting doing but here's the thing like what's everybody talking about from Saturday? Like what's the old cons might line? We have to stop all this fighting. We're gonna have to make bigger buildings Like everybody people are calling each other to say, you gotta turn this on, this game is wild. And it became more of just a hockey, you saw like it just these highly, went everywhere. And it's the rivalry and the intensity. And I don't know, like, what am I just like,

oh, Merrick, you got scabs on your knuckles, did you walk over here? I get it, like, do I sound like a barbarian if I suggest that in that case with two intense rivals, fights in the game are not the worst possible thing. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite. No, I think you're onto something there. I just don't think we're going to see staged fights within the first nine seconds of the game. I just don't think we're going to see it. Now, if you were to tell me that Canada had Adam Lowry and a tough kid and a really good Brian and Claire. I'm not sure that's his thing. That's not his thing. You know, and Sammy Bennett's as tough as they come, and you know it and I know it, and guys that play against them know it too, but you know, I don't see

that being... I could see a fight happening because somebody gets hit and somebody goes to defend them, but I don't see that first nine seconds happening like that. We'll see. I just think it's going to be an electrifying moment for Hawke. I think so too. I think it's going to be phenomenal, phenomenal moment for hockey. I think so too. I think it's going to be phenomenal, phenomenal for the game. And got a couple of days to build it up as well. Pierre, good luck with the podcast. Looks like you're a wonderful establishment.

We will touch base soon, my friend. Thanks so much for hopping on right after the game. Anytime for you, Jeff. Thank you very much for having me. Take care. Enjoy the rest of the series. You be well. And you as well.

The great Pierre McGuire joining us here on the Sheets just after Canada wins 5-3. So it is a Canadian-American final on Thursday. USA faces off again, Sweden at the top of the hour. DFO Live goes to preview that one. Have a look back at the game today and have a look forward to Thursday. Okay, and again, it's Canada,

so the hot button issue is goaltending. And when we discuss the goaltending, we default to our man, Carter Hutton of Daily Face Off, who joins me now on the sheet. Carter, first of all, how are you today? And how are you feeling about Jordan Bennington? I'm not gonna bias the question by saying, when you have a look at that Essel Lendell goal,

when you have a look at the Gensel goal on sound, I'm just going to ask you to surrender the floor here and say, if you're a Canadian hockey fan, how are you feeling about the goaltending in Canada? I feel like we fall behind a little bit, Jeff. I think we're at a point where when we look at what we've seen so far from Connor Hallebaut and what we see from Jordan Binnington, it's been timely saves that I think have been a difference maker, right? Giving up another couple late in the game here and a nothing game. It seems like the game's over. So I don't take a lot away from that, but

what I do take away is the way he handles the puck and the way that he's made some key saves. And I thought today was the best he had looked, right? So if you eliminate those last goals, I've been in this situation. It sucks, right? You want to get out of the game with a shutout or at that point, you know, there's six minutes left you've given up one. Let's just move on to the next game. Obviously that stings a little bit, but if there's a guy with the mental capacity to manage this moment and be in a situation and how Jeff, you get it.

How well does this suit it's at boss, it's at TD garden where he won a Stanley cup in game seven Thursday night. I'm confident. I like this situation. I don't hate it. I know we picked this roster apart and we go through, it should have been Shifeley. It should have been Tom Wilson.

They haven't lost the tournament yet. They, yes, they lost that big game. But if they win this tournament, are we going to look back on this and be like, what did it take to make that decision? The brass going with the guys that they thought. So I don't love where his game is at, but that's Jordan Bittington.

His game has never been, he's never been one of the elite of the elite, right? He's a guy that battles and he goes with it and they, and they're going with their gut. And I think that's the situation they're in. And if it's a one game showdown, I think he has it between his ears enough to get it done. Um, all right. Uh, part of the goal he talked has been plenty, uh, of that certainly. Um, but actually, you know,, actually, here's one. Let me close on one. I wanna bounce the theory off of you that I have.

And this is not based on numbers. This is based on strictly anecdotal evidence. So once upon a time, the Golay factory was in Quebec, and then it moved to Helsinki, no, then it moved to Stockholm, then it moved to Helsinki. Now it seems to rest in Russia somewhere. And we wonder where the great Canadian goaltenders have all gone.

My personal theory and solution is this. And again, this is strictly anecdotal. I see as a hockey dad, more parents dissuade their kids from playing goal than ever before. They just don't want any, I mean, listen, I know there's a, listen, there's a special, special place in heaven for goalie moms. Goalie moms feel it more than anybody, you know this, Cargill, more than anybody in the ring. Goalie moms, oh bless all of you. Special corner in heaven just for you. But there are so many parents that don't want their kids to play net. My solution to this in Canada, again this will take a long time to work its way through

the system is, you want to play goal? Perfect. Your registration is waived. You ever thought on where the goalies went and how Canada can solve the problem? Yeah, I think that is a case of it too, right? You have a thought on where the goalies went and how Canada can solve the problem. Yeah, I think that is a case of it too, right? You look at all these young youth that grew up watching Sidney Crosby and wanting to be a player

and wanting to score that golden goal and be in that moment, right? And now you have a goalie standpoint where we've had a lot of good goalies for a lot of years. And I also think parents get deterred from it from the cost of the equipment, right? So I always think back to this line. I was actually at a watch party here

with some friends were watching it. And one of the father said to me like, my son's a this line. I was actually at a watch party here with some friends who were watching it and one of the fathers said to me like, my son's a good little player and I like discourage him from being in that because I don't want to buy the equipment, right? And I, my argument to him was my dad's argument, which he always said was it was cheaper than a lawyer, right? So it kept me out of trouble. I was busy. I was doing stuff.

I was making friends and growing and becoming, you know, there's so many good things that come out of hockey too, right? And I think at times we lose that perspective, right? We start watching Teacano where we see our eight-year-old or nine-year-old do something gifted on a hockey arena and we're like, whoa, he might have something here. Instead of being like, he's making friends, he's learning how to do things.

And for me, goaltending was the gear. It was the equipment. It was being the guy and having that pressure. And I grew into it. And the other side of it it is I know what you're dealing with, my parents dealt with it. I was in the NHL making millions of dollars and my mom could still not watch or if someone wrote a bad article about me, that person was tainted, tainted, tainted for life by them right and I would try to explain to her like this is part of the deal, I wear it on

my chest, I know how to deal with it. So I think for parents there is a lot of that. And again, you sit there at home, you think about all these young parents watching this game. Think about Jordan Binnington, the amount of abuse that he has taken. He is one of the best goalies in the world. And we like are so quick to be critical of the goalie. Even a game like today where he was a difference maker early, he made a lot of good saves,

his puck handling relieved a lot of pressure. He did a really great job. He gives up a couple of late goals and now we're like, this is just the cross you bear being a goalie. So it is hard for family. It is that, but I feel like if a kid loves it and he wants to do it and something I do with my son right now, he's a great little player at his age and he wants to be a goalie too. But I just think we'll dabble in everything. And when the time comes, whatever he wants to do, it's going to be him. And I don't think we should define success by them making it in hockey.

No, no, there's like a, what is it? 0.00001%. You were one of those, by the way, Carter, congratulations, that actually make it to the NHL. You're one of the special ones, Carter Hutton. You're one of the special ones. Okay. You're a Canadian, let's say you're a Canadian hockey fan. You're probably feeling pretty good about your team.

Okay, you know, a tough one. It's really a one goal game, empty netter, one goal game against United States. One shot the other way makes it a different game. You're probably feeling really good about yourself when it's 4-0. And then late in the third happens. You're a Canadian hockey fan. How are you feeling about Team Canada heading into Thursday? Knowing full well, and how many times have you heard this as a pro athlete, never critique a win. A win's a win. Doesn't matter whether it's 6-0 or 5-3 in this case with an empty netter by Sidney Crosby. You're a Canadian hockey fan. How are you feeling about that one?

You know, I think it's one of those ones that leaves you wanting a little bit more at the end, right? I guess you just start to worry and you see it break down. He's talking about how good this USA team is going to be. And for me, it's like, if they do win that game for nothing, we're still going to face USA who was awesome. And they were in a state where it seemed like they was very hard to create against the United States where I thought was better. You could see the momentum and where it went late in that game. The good thing for me is Craig Simpson touched on this earlier thing, and I had kind of said it right before he said it.

So I felt like I could be color commentary as well to my wife. The abuse that McDavid and the abuse, the abuse that McDavid and Crosby take, this isn't something new to them, right? This isn't like they just came out to this tournament and they're like dealing with this abuse of guys being all over them. They have dealt with this since they were 10 years old, since they played at any level of hockey. They've been the best player and they've learned how to deal with that. Now, let's spread that across this whole team. They've been in games where they've won, they've been perfect start to finish and they've had to get up the next night. They've been in games where they've

been brutal and they have to get up the next night and play. So the short-term memory and they're able to compartmentalize things that just deal with their game and move forward is the most reassuring for me as an ex-pro, right? Because I've dealt with this and I've gone to games, example I use a lot, Jeff, I remember one time I was playing in Buffalo and we were playing in Montreal at the Bell Centre. And I come out and we got waxed six too, which wasn't very uncommon in Buffalo those days. And I come out to meet some friends who were seeing me and they were like treating me with white gloves. They were like, hey, what's up man? Can you come have a drink? Can you come? And I'm like, boys, like get

out of here, right? It's me. Like I've already had my moment to, I've had my moment to be upset. I've had my moment to deal with it. The video doesn't lie. I'd move on. Let's go. And that's part of being a professional, right? I think Kerry Price did a great job of when he spoke talking about Jordan Bittington, like, Hey, what are you doing?

He's a pro. He's going to go out there and make the next save. And I think whatever happened at that end of the game, these guys have already moved on, they, they did their job today. They won the game, especially in a short tournament where it's different when we talk about moral victories with an NHL team and you're trying to grow toward like that 82 game schedule where right now literally the only thing that mattered was winning that hockey game. And yes, there's going to be some takeaways where they're going to watch video and go over it, but they're

not going to do that right now. They're going to move on, enjoy this. And at the same time, that's where I feel like confident that this is going to be a matchup and I think they're gonna come out rare to go on Thursday. I'm glad you mentioned Carey Price. Carey Price, first of all, an incredibly new school athletic goaltender. We used to think about athletic goaltenders as being you know like windmill saves and all these types of things and really the great athletic goaltenders as you all know are the guys that get to position quickly. Get to position quickly, efficiently, economically, and Price was the best.

He was also very good, by the way, at initiating goalie interference calls. He could get himself in position to get interfered with like no... he was the king of that. But what I always liked about Kerry Price is, and I always admired this and thought, man, that's got gotta be really hard. And you've already sort of talked about this with your buddies after playing at the Bell Center when you were at the Swords. Whenever you watched him interviewed after a game,

if you didn't know what happened in the game, based on his interview, you couldn't tell whether the Montreal Canadiens won the game or lost the game. I always admired that about Carey Price. He wore none of it. It was over. It was done.

There were no highs. There were no lows. There was just straight line. Another game coming up, you know, one streetcar going another one coming. Like that was, that was Carey Price. And I always admired that. Like, and how hard that knowing like how emotionally charged the hockey game is like Carter, how do you do that? It was, it's funny you say it as well. You know, it's, it's funny. It went this way, Jeff, like you talk about that and the way he was,

cause I was the opposite, right? I played in college where it was hard fought games and hockey. I played at UMass Lowell. I had a bunch of records there, played very well. Then Connor Hellebott came around two years later, so I got to give him a dig. And in two years, he broke every record I had. So it was, it was, it's been a goalie factory at UMass Lowell, but we'd be in these tight games, right? And we'd score a goal and I would be skating to the corner fist pumping, so excited.

I'd be revving my engine. And then all of a sudden I started to play pro where I played all the time and I had to learn how to manage a goal against versus, you know, us scoring. And I would just try to stay even keeler. And some of my stole from Brian Hulpe where he would spray the water up in the air and he'd find a water droplet and he would just watch it fall. And something that I use for tracking, but also just to calm myself. And then I really learned how to like manage a game right where you got to play for 60 minutes, but it's two and a half hours plus The day of and everything that goes into it where if it was a big game

I would be so intense where I really learned to manage just the highs and the lows Be myself if I went to the bench on a TV timeout make a joke be myself and then get back into the draw I think Kerry Price was just the best at, managing the moment and everything that he did. And talk about economical, not just in the crease, but how he was mentally. So it's so impressive to see. And I think where, I had a good clip of Jordan Benneken the other night,

standing in that against USA when the play was going on, there was a face off in the defensive zone and you could just see him breathing. You could see him visually being like, through the TV, you could see him being like, just controlling himself, being in the moment, not letting the momentum and the energy in the building take him away. And I think that's something that's super important for guys that are in this game on Thursday to draw back upon those moments, right? That now you have that experience, your back pocket to, to understand how to handle yourself.

And Carey Price was the best at it. Let me go back to Saturday. So, George St. Pierre is there. So, George St. Pierre introducing Team Canada. Now, I've been at the Bell Center for hockey countless times, regular season playoff. I have never heard that building as loud as I did, I think it was 2013. It was George St. Pierre against Nick Diaz. And when St. Pierre came out, it was, and I thought like, okay, I've heard the Bell Center, I've been to hockey games, no, no, no, Carter.

Nothing like it that I've ever heard in my, like they adore this guy. Like certainly they all like Rockett and Bellovaux and the Fleur, like they adore their hockey players. And we know that. But man do they adore George St. Pierre. So the crowd is already jazzed. The crowd's already worked up.

There's our champion. You know, one of the great things about George St. Pierre, one fighter told me was, he's a great disruptor. If you want to strike, you're going down. You're gonna, we're gonna wrestle. If you want to wrestle, he's gonna keep it up on you. You always disrupt your rhythm. And that made him like a fighter's fighter.

Like he had this psychology of the whole thing. And then the game starts the way that it does with three fights right away. And all I can think about to myself is here. Okay, so what is the message here? What's the message from the Kachucks and JT Miller and Brandon Hagel and Sam Bennett, et cetera?

Talk to me as a player here. You're watching that. What's going through your mind? What are you thinking? You're revved up. You're fired up. It's hard to control those emotions. And I guess maybe for me, my first real taste of it, obviously I was with the Chicago Blackhawks

when we were standing in the cup in 2013, but I wasn't on the team, right? I was on the team. I have a cup ring. I got to be part of it, but I didn't play, right? I remember my first time being around the playoffs was in Nashville and the energy is, because I remember backing up my first game. We played the Blackhawks in the first round. I was so exhausted after the game, Jeff, and I didn't even play it. I sat on the bench and I was like, what is this? Right. Because I didn't have experience. I didn't know how to control it. Right. So this is the same thing. Example is the momentum and the energy in a building is so powerful. Right. And I think what's good for Canada and also for the United States is that kind of got out of the, got out of them in the first game,

right? They have that now this is going to be controlled energy that is going to be directed at the play, right? I would be very surprised if we see a fight Thursday, unless it's something that, you know, comes to bar, it's a blowout or something like that. We're off the start. It's going to be straight to hockey in my personal opinion, which the way I think it should be. I think that was legendary the other night. I thought it was awesome. But I think for these teams, there is like the experience, there's that energy. And it's something that is just it charges within you I think that's something that's so important again Why I think this event has been such success is because of the the energy in the buildings how fun it's been the people

They've had involved so I think this is gonna be a great final here Thursday Yeah, you know the one of the interesting things about about those fights you look at the rest of the game Second period no penalties third period like no penalties. Third period, like no penalties. Like it was, you know, it was, you know, gorillas firing coconuts for a couple of minutes there and then everything just... and then they just went about their bit and they were intense. Everyone was like completely committed, but they just went out there and played hockey. But they got really, it was almost like they just wanted to establish that this was for keeps, right? Like we're not, we're not just going through the motions here.

Like this one is for keeps. Let's just remind each other that this one's for keeps and now let's go play. Like this one, like this stuff, whether no, no matter what happens in this tournament, one of the things, maybe the thing that this tournament will always be remembered for. And again, this tournament is a one and done. will always be remembered for. And again, this tournament is a one and done. That trophy's going to the Hockey All-Fame Resource Center to collect dust until someone looks at it 20 years later and says, what was this for?

What was this trophy? Do you remember this? What's the, like, it was like the Mustard Cup so many years, 1995 or something like that. I don't know if you remember it, if you're probably too young to remember that one. But we're gonna look and go like, what the heck was this? But the thing that it's gonna be remembered for is that nine seconds and

the psychology of it and what led up to it and everything happening between Canada and the United States that built right into this one moment where in nine seconds, there were three throw downs that got everybody talking, everybody talking and everybody tuning in. And here's what I wonder about. I know that the NHL lately, even though this is a very violent sport, and it's not even a contact sport, it's a collision sport.

I know that they've always come shy of nowadays about marketing how violent this game can be and how dangerous this game can be, but you saw the numbers on Saturday. You see everybody talking about this. Like is there not a lesson in here? Like I know what we know about concussions. I know what we know about Ccussions. I know what we know about CTE. I understand all of these things. These are all choices that players make to deliberately put themselves in harm's way. Because I think that there's something we can take out of that moment. Do we want to go back

to three and a half hour games? No. But putting an accent on that physicality, that type of physicality probably isn't the worst idea at all. It's all anyone's talking about, Carter. But for every reason, I guess, I get it. Lawyers make everything better. I understand it. But is there not a lesson in there about what this game is? It is, especially to the non-hockey fan too, right? I know you're always going to hit that. And look at like just even the social media that it brought, the people that it brought

all the work and the people that were so excited what was going on. You got Tom Brady commenting on it. You have people that are just like influencers, right? And that's what our game needs, right? When we actually look at the pay scale of like where we're at and like, if we start comparing salaries of sports, like we've fallen behind so far and we're trying to catch up and the game's in a good place, but you also need to sell that too, right?

You need to get people in the stands. I think that was a really good job of that. And there still is that passion, right? And something that sticks out for me, a story, as we, as you're chatting, I remember one time I was in Calgary, we had a morning skate, it was optional. So I went to the rink, I wasn't starting.

Jake Allen was playing that night, I was with the Blues. And Doug Armstrong pulled a bunch of guys aside, the six, five or six players that were playing. And we had some injuries and no one really had really grabbed the bull by the horns for St. Louis at that point, right? And he had a meeting with us. He was kind enough to say, Carter, you're just here cause you're the goalie, like you're just getting shot. isn't for you. Cause I was playing well at the time. And he was

like, explaining to guys like somebody's got to do something here. Somebody has to take an opportunity here because you're going to look back on your career. And this is a moment when you got an opportunity to do something and make a difference and get in the lineup and play. But this is it. Like, and the uncommon, like the fact of the matter is this isn't going to come around very often, right? So same ideas as four nations cup in this situation that these players are in And he also said he also said to us you guys chose to be hockey players, right? You pick this lifestyle This is what comes with it, right?

So I think that is important for people to understand on the outside looking in these guys know what they're doing They enjoy this they embrace it You don't think there's any guy in the NHL that walks that game It isn't like I was standing in my living room Jeff watching like pulsing like I felt like I was in with screen I've played I played 12 years of professional hockey and I was Pulsing my wife is like Carter sit down like I can't sit down. This is like in us, right? It's like in our DNA right to battle to battle, to compete, and to feel that. And I'm sitting in my living room having a beer, watching a game as a retired athlete.

So I feel like that passion is something that is displayed and something we can show, which separates us from the NBA and load management and all the things that we see in other sports that gets critiqued. You know, there's something good in hockey that we can bring. So as I'm, as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking of the Godfather and the line from the Godfather that everyone always remembers is, Oh, make him a, make him an offer he can't refuse. To me, the great line in the Godfather was exactly what you're talking about.

To me, the best line the Godfather is this is the business we chose. I only say it to myself about my job. Like, Jeff, you chose this. is this is the business we chose. I always say it to myself about my job, like, Jeff, you chose this. Hockey players chose, like, I can't, like, I can complain to a certain point about certain things, but essentially, I chose this. You know, like, I'm losing my hearing from wearing IFBs and headphones my whole life.

And you know who's to blame for that? Me, because I chose this. and headphones my whole life. And you know who's to blame for that? Me. Because I chose this. That's a really great point, Carl. I'm really glad you brought that up. And for, to give like the sort of the other side of the, of the argument in the chat, Kate S says, fighting for the sake of ratings makes me feel cringey. These guys only play into the thirties.

The fights come from passion in the moment. So be it. Otherwise I don't love it. I'm with, I'm like the Olivier Reeves fight to me was a potato chip. It was empty calorie. They fought because Reeves hadn't had a fight. So, and that's why the reaction was okay. It was like a meal, but that one, everything happening outside of the game, everything happening in the building, it's Montreal, it's a Saturday night, it's the

big, it's the two best international rivals in hockey right now. And I'll be blunt, I'll get your thought on this one as we start to close here, it's the Kachucks, man. This is another chapter in the Kachuck story. They're writing one of the most incredible hockey books right now, the Kachuck family. Let me close on this one. Give me your thoughts on the Kachucks. I love them. I made this comment the other day. As the game gets more and more skilled here, we've gone over so much stuff. I love this, Jeff. Obviously I love being on, but I see kids all all the time now skill, right? Everything is skill. Everything is McDavid. Everything is attacking the triangle. Everything is that. And when I watch a

player like Brady Kachuk play and Matthew Kachuk, you're not telling me that that's not the way that the game is going to go, right? I know it's cyclical, right? We go through cycles where it's things change and go that way, but who in God's name in the NHL doesn't want a Brady Kachaka or Matthew Kachaka on your team? So I feel like the game will start to, will start to like, we'll trend that way more now. You need players like that. And especially what we have learned over the past, I don't know how many years you want to say it.

You have to play a certain way during the regular season to get into playoffs, right? But then all of a sudden your team has to be built a certain way to get into the playoffs. And those are those guys that know how to walk the line. They know how to do it. They can do it all. And I think they're so valuable. I think kids nowadays can take a lesson away from, sometimes it's not about a toe drag. Sometimes it's not about the pep system and walking through. Sometimes it's about going through a straight line through your guy and going to the hard areas in the net. And I think there's still value there in the game, right? Even though I know we've gotten away from the fighting and physical play and it's all speed and skill, but there is a lot of value to be able to play the game the

right way. And those boys sure do it right. I love, I love hockey players taking shots at them. My kids do it though. But then I, then I like talk to Adam, but then I talked to Adam Oates and also I was like, get the toys off the ice, get the toys off the ice and up with this stuff. Shut up with this stuff.

I think it's good. I shouldn't discredit it. I just think there's more to the game. Like you need to be like, there's kids I find sometimes, Jeff, I see them, they're trying to deke through the guy and said, take them wide and drive them, put them on your hip, make it hard on them, every shift, right?

But you know, let me close on this one. We've got a hustle here, a Dilly Face Off Live coming up top of the hour. Let me, from Boston, let me close on this one. We're in an era right now where I always look at, I go to junior games and I go, where'd all the bad skaters go? You know, I go to these like prospect games and I go,

where'd all the bad skaters go? Like they're all going like, okay, whenever, here's my thing, when everybody can shoot and everybody can skate and everybody can make plays. Everybody can pass. Everybody can do the Michigan. Everybody can do all that stuff. When everybody's there and we're there.

If I'm a manager, you know what I'm saying? What else can you give me? Everybody can do that. Everybody could skate. What can you give me? Everybody can do that. Everybody can skate. What can you give me? That's where I go like, that's what the Kachaks have. That's what the Kachaks have.

They do. They have that id factor. I think even for me, looking, Binnington handling a puck is important, right? That's a divider. It's a separator, right? Something that can separate you from somebody else, right, Joe? Big time. You're the best. Thanks for spending a lot of time with me today. Listen, it was an interesting game, certainly.

And now all eyes on Thursday, we've got the rematch, Canada facing off against the United States, the great Carter Hutton joining me here on the She. Thanks so much, Hudson. You be well, pal. Thanks, man. There he is, the great Carter Hutton. And before we take off here, Zach, one thing that I do want to remind our fans and listeners

and viewers, et cetera, one game left. Fan duel, proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. And the one game tonight that really, in some ways, Zach, isn't going to matter because the final is set. It's Canada versus the United States. But it was interesting hearing Pierre talk about, if you're Mike Sullivan of USA, what do you do tonight against Sweden? And again, like I was mentioning this with Johnny this morning on Morning Cup of Hockey,

this is all about keep on getting better every single game. It's a short tournament. We can't afford to get into bad habits and mistakes,. We can't afford to make, you know, to get into bad habits and mistakes. And we can't afford to take this one lightly. This still has to be foot on the gas, which is why it may have the feeling of being an empty calorie game, but more so for the United States than for Sweden. They're outs. This is one of those we need to mind our own knitting here, because I have an

even bigger game coming up against Canada on Thursday. Well, how are you doing? Yeah, it's not the same. I'm good. I've been enjoying the show here today. No, I was just going to say it's not the same because it's Sweden, it's international hockey, and it's not like you're looking at some light opponent. But something I talked about a lot, I'm sure you probably talked to your kids about right to you go to tournaments and One game you play that at Detroit Little Caesars, and it's the best team in America and the next thing right now some right castle

All right exactly good luck. I got the next game you play some team from you know name some random city where they're Scraping by and they've come to this tournament and probably gonna beat them 13 nothing But you go from one to the other or you're playing the weak team playing the good team the next day I remember all the time it was like yeah you tailed off in the late third period there and suddenly it ingrains in your mind that You know Maybe it's acceptable to play that way and make that pass and try that little extra move and then you go into the next game You play the best team or play the high intensity,

and all of a sudden you go, oh, whoops, that's not okay, and then it costs you. It's like, you can't let those habits break in, and I think it's gonna be interesting to watch this one tonight. I think it will too. I think it'll be really interesting, of course, to watch on Thursday, where I don't think

that Sidney Crosby is going to make that pass in high ice anymore. I think he's probably done going to make that pass in high ice anymore. I think he's probably done trying to make that pass again. That led to the Dylan Larkin goal. Real quick, so we got to wrap up here and give way to DFO live. You have a closing thought on what you saw this afternoon or what you saw on the weekend, the entire tournament. Zach, I will surrender the floor to you here on the sheet. Your thoughts on how everything, and by the way, I hear Saturday was the success of Greta.

So that's great. It was it was a lot of fun. Got to meet a bunch of people who follow and watch along from the East Nation there. So that was it was really cool. I've never got to the experience. Nick behave was Nick behaved. Yes, as well as Nick has already. Yes, he was.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. Saturday night was electric. Obviously, we got to surround ourselves with people who were watching the game and being in that environment. But I was ready to run through a wall. I watched that game. I listened to the OLA's before everything that hit off Montreal, man, you know, the crowd cheering and, you know the crowd cheering and you know regardless of what you think about them booing the anthem it built anticipation for the game and I Didn't expect three consecutive fights. I don't think anyone did I wasn't even thinking that there was going to be one to open the game

I thought maybe at some point during the game, but not right away, so I was pretty electric The one thing I want to throw out there to close this around my final thoughts on this. Got one minute. Sydney Crosby is so clutch. The play that he made to close out the game here today and say enough of this let's get out of here let's win this one I'm done. I mean you would have no idea the guy's 37 years old and 15 years ago was the 2010 Golden Goal. I mean, honestly, no idea. He's unbelievable. I'm so happy that guy is on, I'm gonna say it, my team

as we head into Thursday against the United States of America. Zach Phillips breaking the news that Sidney Crosby is good. Awesome, listen, congrats on Saturday. Here is a major success. All right. We got to hustle. Uh, you got another show, this one from Boston, uh, daily face off live coming up here in a couple of moments.

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