The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Canada vs USA Preview ft. Tyler Yaremchuk, Jonny Lazarus, Jason Gregor, & Shayna Goldman

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

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Hey share your promo code with friends as well learn more at Fizz.ca switch to Fizz This big hockey game tonight, we're all going to watch it and then we're all going to be very, very calm afterwards, no matter whether it's Canada who wins, it's the United States who wins this game. We're all going to have very calm and measured reactions to it. Welcome to the program. This is the sheet once again for this Thursday, February the 20th.

It is Canada facing off against the United States. The thrilling conclusion that we all hope for in the four nations face off. Now a couple of things, and I want to propose a couple of things here too. First of all, this is an absolutely stacked show. Tathery Rum Truck's gonna be here, Johnny Lazarus is gonna be here, Jason Greger is gonna be here, Shanna Goldman's gonna be here.

I just kind of wanted to cram sort of all of our like really close friends here, like all in the same show, and just sort of surrender the floor for like 10 or 15 minutes each, and just get their thoughts on what they've seen, what they anticipate tonight, and for every single guest, the question revolves around this. What is your favorite both Canadian

and American hockey moments? We'll go over those in a couple of moments. But Zach Phillips, we have a big show on the horizon. Let me get to the outline here. And before we bring Tyler aboard, I wanna make a couple of different points here and maybe try to encourage something we'll see how this goes. Daily outlines presented by our friends and partners at

FanDuel North America's number one sportsbook app provider. Coming up on the show today there he is Tyler Yaramchuk you know him from DFO live. He's gonna come up in a couple of moments followed by Johnny Lazarus For morning cup of hockey. I think they're sitting beside each other right now as we speak It'll be an interesting transition Jason Gregor whose whose own show is gonna hit the airwaves here shortly We'll drop by the program look forward to talking to Jason as well Star of his own show and DFO rundown as well Shanna Goldman from the too many men podcast and The Athletic will stop by and this is who we're gonna be talking to today

and we'll be talking to you if you're in the chat on YouTube as well. And we're talking about the big game, like Canada, USA, like right now nothing else exists. I know that Boston's facing off against Ottawa under the PWHL, got it. This is the one that everybody has their eyeballs on tonight. Now, I wanna ask you a question.

And this is one that I'm gonna ask Laz a little bit later on too. Ever since Saturday, we've seen, and on both sides, on both sides. Not that I'm trying to both sides everything in my life, but on both sides here. We've seen the best and worst out of people leading up into this one.

I always sort of sideways chuckle when I hear Canadians, by the way, as a Canadian myself I say this, say that, you know what, we've got to leave politics out of hockey. So, you know that Summit Series in 72 that Canadians cannot stop talking about? Outside of 1969 World Championships. And we'll get to that in a couple of moments. That was the most political hockey series ever. Like you talk to the players, right? And still to this day, they will tell you.

You talk to the fans, you talk to the organizers, you talk to the coaches, you talk to everybody around it. This wasn't just, oh, let's just see who'll win. Now we'll have the NHLers facing off against the Soviets. You talk to them, they tell you, this was war. This was hell. This was our way of life against their way of life. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Like, I've never been like, hearing this, like in all my life, I've been like, hang on. This is a hockey game. Like I understand that some competitions will take on a political import that others won't, but the idea that, oh, we'll leave politics out of major sporting events, such as 1972, or as we're seeing right now, given the very specific political climate, I think is folly,

because it's always been there. Sometimes it's not, but there's always a gentle undercurrent of it when you're facing off country versus country. Here's what I want to submit to you. I'm gonna submit this to Johnny Lazarus as well. Whoever wins tonight, it's gonna be, it's not gonna be nice out there. Like no matter, no matter what happens There's going to be nothing gentle about The end of this game, right? This is just going to like throw another log onto the fire

Yeah, how would you feel about this if indeed you think that we're at a place right now where we need the temperature turned down At the end of this game. First of all, do you believe that, that we should have the temperature turned down a little bit between these two countries and this sport? Or are you someone that just says, no man, throw more logs, throw more logs. I want more logs. You want more logs, okay. I want the temperature turned down a little bit.

For those that wanna maintain, this is just a game. This is just a game. 1976 Canada Cup was the first big one for me. I was too young for 72. 76 I was really young and very impressionable obviously and loved it. And one of the things that always stuck with me and I like it when I see it in other sports and I love when I see it as seldom as I do in hockey. At the end of the final game, and that is Canada beating Czechoslovakia, Darrell Sittler with the game-winning goal past, Vladimir Zyrilla, by the way that was Dominik Hašek's favorite goaltender, Bobby Oera gets the MVP of the tournament. Personally I think that Dennis Potfan should

have got it but that's a conversation for a history show somewhere down the road. Bobby Ora gets the MVP, but before that, both Team Canada and the Czechs did a jersey swap. We always think of the iconic photo of Bobby Ora in 1971, the pass from Sanderson and floating through the air. It's one of the great hockey photographs of all time. It's not my favorite Bobby Orr photograph. This one is. It's my favorite Bobby Orr photograph. Oldridge Makach is the defenseman who are number four with Czechoslovakia.

And you can see on that line, they're all wearing Czechoslovakian sweaters, but that's Team Canada after the jersey swap. And Bobby Orr gets Oldridge McCotch and he passed away I want to say about 15 years ago but there he is accepting his award as the tournament MVP. By the way as a quick aside that Czechoslovakian jersey lives about an hour and a half away from my house in Orillia at Bill Waters' house. Former agent, former Leafs assistant general manager, and my former co-host on Leafs Lunch about a million years ago. He has that in his basement. He has like a little mini Hall of Fame. He has like the Bobby Orr pinball machine,

and he's got that jersey in his basement. That's awesome. You think as a way to turn things down a little bit today, if they swap jerseys at the end of this game, how would you feel about it? I don't think that they, I don't know that it would succeed in turning things down. And like, I don't know. I was not prepared for this question.

I'm trying to think about it. I was trying to think of my answer as it's going along. I figured where it's going. Okay, you know what? We can come back to you a little bit later on. But I'm just saying, like, as a way to sort of like remind everybody here, as much as like there's a lot of forces that want to make this Canada versus America and we all hate each other and this is like the new Cold War or something like that, like keep impressing

on people. Like, Canadians don't hate Americans, right? And that. Like keep impressing on people like Canadians don't hate Americans. Right. And I would argue to the lion's share of Americans don't hate Canadians, but that's the way a lot of this is being portrayed here. Like maybe just as a way to turn the temperature down a little bit, what would you do if like Matthew Kachuk skated to center ice and took off his Jersey and handed it to Brandon Hagel. skated to center ice and took off his jersey and handed it to Brandon Hagel. Okay, so that's a good way to put it

because I'll say I hate anything politics. It would have to be an American, probably likely Kutruch, who extends the offer, not the other way around. Oh, you insufferable Canadian. If a Canadian goes across and goes to do it, it's like cowards, saw, you're insufferable Canadian you. The Canadian goes across and goes to do it. It's like cowards, saws, you know, like that's the conversation.

And then you know what probably happens tomorrow, Jeff, after the Canadian offers that? What? Boom, right back up, more logs on the fire. The Canadians are soft, they're surrendering to the US. It's like, whoa. This is a surrender. Yeah, like, okay, hold on. Otherwise, it's just going to be like, you know, USA wins and it's all going to be like, oh, is Trump going to give this to Putin too?

It's going to be like, no, no, it's always that. I thought the trophy was going to the Hall of Fame Resource Center. It's going to the Kremlin. Oh, wow, wow. Like that's going to be social media tonight. Like, I swear, you know it. Like this is what this is going to be. This is going to be as predictable as the as the booing on Saturday at the Bell Center is what yeah

Yes, correct. I Don't know. I don't think it turns the temperature down that much even if it does happen. I think that it's it's still just such a Cess pool on the internet that like exchanging of jerseys. You're too young to be this cynical. I'm supposed to be cynical here. I'm the older of the two of us. I'm supposed to be the cynical, bitter old man, not you.

You're supposed to be like full of like optimism and everything's an opportunity and every day is a new day to build something and also after this like 2026 comes around Canada, US, Olympic gold medal like I'm driving cars down past the border double birding the states and it's nothing but the people it's just it's just go Canada that's it that's it Jeff I'm all in here, man. All right. Okay, fine. All right. I'll try to find someone else that I can, whose triac can bark up here on this one. So Tyler Eremtrak is going to join us in a couple of seconds. We have Tyler standing by. Is he set to go? Yes, we do. Let's bring him on. He is the starter of DFO Live. He joins me now.

The one and only Tyler Eremtrak from Oilers Nation, who is on the scene scene now. Give me the sort of scene set here. Nice feathers by the way. Oh, you got the good dude going on here. There's something about Tyler. Give me this scene set here in Boston. What's the mood? So did DFO live from a bar called Banners, which is attached to the TD Garden.

At 11 a.m. when I got there to start getting ready for the show, there was a table of Canadian hockey fans drinking a full three foot high tower of beer. So everyone here is dialed in on game day like everywhere you go. The lineup at the merch store at 1030 this morning was like out the door and around. It was crazy. Like everyone you see is wearing either red or blue. This city, even people who aren't going to the game are totally dialed in. If you're just walking around, like I had to

walk through like the subway station to get up to where we're doing the show. And like you just hear people being like, Oh, the game tonight, the game tonight, the game tonight. Like it's crazy. Do you have the one thing that I want to ask everybody on the show here today and Johnny Lazarus, I believe is like standing next to you or sitting next to you. And he's going to get this question in a second. Tyler, when I say, what's your favorite, either US hockey moment

or your favorite Canadian hockey moment? What is it for you? Yeah, so thinking about this a little bit, like, I mean, everyone has a good golden goal story, right? Everyone remembers where they were when Sidney Crosby scored that goal in 2010. But when I think of Canada and USA, the one game that always comes and jumps to my head first is the 2009 World Juniors, that game on New Year's Eve between Canada and the USA.

And part of it too is because I was 12 years old. So that was in the prime of starting to really love hockey and the World Juniors meant so much. they went down three nothing in that game they come back tie it up before the end of the period and I just remember being a kid and thinking John Tavares is empty netter to seal it up was so cool he kind of had like one hand on the stick and then it was the hat-trick goal as well like I remember that game so vividly and it was one of the first moments I remember watching a Team Canada game and being like, this is awesome. Yeah, it's like, again, like I said at the top of the show,

like it can bring out the best and it can also bring out the worst. And we've seen both and we see them, we see it at every single tournament. Do you have, I'm gonna go on a fishing trip here for you and it's maybe tough as a Canadian to admit, but do you have a favorite or one that stands out for you or one that maybe you just wanna recognize

that doesn't have enough audience? US hockey moment. Like I'll give you a chance to think, cause I'll throw one that, cause there's a lot of chatter, whenever there's these tournaments like this and the USA does well, we always think back to Herb Brooks in 1980

and the game against the Soviets, even though it was the game against the Finns that ended up winning it for the USA, and that was very much in doubt for a large part of the game. For one thing that's kind of been lost to history is the USA game against Sweden. USA is losing this game and they come back and tie it. And it's Bill Baker who scores the game tying goal with 27 seconds left.

You can make the argument that at that time it was the biggest, most important goal in the history of US hockey. Baker went on to play in the NHL. He was a Montreal Canadiens draft pick, played with the Rockies, played with the Blues. Was one of the players traded actually by Joe, one of the players traded for Joe Michaletti. All you broadcast fans out there. Anyhow, is there a USA hockey moment that Tyler Uramtrak thinks of think seven says you know what this deserves more concert or this one's burned into my brain forever

oh man that's it's such a good question like I'm trying to rack my brain through like there are a few put down the flag come on Tyler in the spirit of brotherhood between between Canada and the US yeah now that I mean my brain was in total world juniors mode going back through this. The John Carlson OT winner, I remember being very sad about that one, but like that was electric. Did you ever forgive Martin Jones for letting that in? Yeah, but that celebration John Carlson had, I remember that being so cool. For me though, like whatever, maybe I can't put down the flag, maybe that's my problem in this whole exercise here.

But like, in my life, they haven't had that much international success. I love the movie Miracle. I love that story. I never get tired of it. Even as a Canadian, it pulls at your heartstrings and it really gets you going. But like, they haven't won a lot in the 27 years I've been on this earth. All right. Do with that what you will, American hockey fans, and we'll move along and have

a quick little preview of what you expect to see tonight. Like, I have no clue. All I know is that the sun is going to come up tomorrow and there's going to be NHL hockey this weekend. And next year there's going to be an Olympic hockey tournament. We're going to do this all over again. What do you think tonight looks like? Like where is it drawn for you? And maybe this is like a lame answer,

but like power on power is just what I keep coming to and not in the sense of like could Chuck first McDavid or whatever. Like the power and the strength of this American team is Connor Hellebuck between the pipes. And Paul Padute at Daily Face Off wrote a great piece kind of going back through other best on best finals and how the team with the best goalie wins

way more often than they lose. So if you're an American fan and you're looking at that, you're going nice, we, miles, Connor Hellebuck's miles better than Jordan Binnington. But then there's another part that Paul says, the team with the most and best superstars usually wins the game. So can Connor McDavid, Nathan McKinnon, Sydney Crosby,

can they outperform Connor Hellebuck? Like I've been saying, I don't think Canada has a path to victory. That is a two-one game, a one-nothing game, even a three-one game. I think they are going to need a fourth goal and they're gonna need to solve Connor Hellebuck four times in this hockey game if they wanna win.

So that means Connor McDavid has to have a vintage moment That means Nathan McKinnon has to do something impactful probably means Sidney Crosby has to do something and then on top of that You probably need something from the bottom six like this Canadian offensive attack and it's something John Cooper actually spoke about today He said our game against the Americans on Saturday. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but he said for a hundred and eighty feet It was great for 20 feet, it wasn't. Can Canada get better at finishing because that is their strength. This isn't the 2014 team or the 2016 team that can go carry price is going to have a 970 whatever and we're going to

be good if we score once or twice, they have to score to win and they have to solve Connor Hellebuyck. That's the one thing I'm looking at. Do you think that whoever comes out the star of this game is going to be like is going to be the MVP? Like right now you can look at it and say you know what Connor Halliburke is like he's leading going in but If anyone has a big game here does that pretty much guarantee them regardless of who it is Does that pretty much guarantee them the MVP? Yeah, I think so. I'll be really intrigued to see how the voting comes out because like, yeah,

let's say the star of this game from an American perspective is, I don't know, pick someone in the middle of the lineup, JT Miller scores twice has a really big hit that gets the crowd going. Okay, is that enough to outshine how important Connor Hellebuck was for the bulk of this tournament? Like how the voters view this is going to be interesting for Canada. I do think again, one of 2997 or 87 are going to be the stars and score a big goal.

And if that's the case, then it's very easy to just point to whoever has the game winner out of those three and go, they're obviously the MVP because you wouldn't have won the tournament without that last goal. So I do think it's maybe like weighted 70% this game, 30% what they've done elsewhere. You've been there in Montreal, you're there in Boston. What's been your biggest highlight, biggest takeaways? We bid you good afternoon and let you get started with your nervous Canadian pacing as we all do before big hockey games. What's been your big takeaway from this one, Tyler? My favorite moment was before that Canada USA game as the Bell Center crowd did their

Ole chant and they just panned to different players on the Jumbotron and when they showed Brad Marshawned that crowd went absolutely bananas and I'm like this is what it's all about we're in the Cathedral of Hockey and Montreal Canadiens fans are getting more excited for Brad Marshawned than they are any other player that they're showing on the screen. It was just that was everything to me the intensity the energy in that building like I was vibrating and shaking I'm getting goosebumps right now. Just thinking back to that moment. That's the one thing I don't think I'll ever forget is

being in that building on Saturday night and just feeling the energy before puck drop. There's nothing like it. Everyone has to have the Montreal experience and especially on a Saturday night and just feeling the energy before puck drop. There's nothing like it. Everyone has to have the Montreal experience and especially on a Saturday night and before I came like that, I'm just saying like Montreal, Canadians, but you had the Canada versus USA experience and that is a special one. But great job in Montreal and in Boston. Who knows how this thing's going to end up, but you're walking with a lot of great experiences pal and it's good to see.

Thanks for stopping by Tyler as always pal. Yeah, no problem. And I know you told me to put down the flag at one point, just a heads up. Johnny Lazarus is wearing a team USA sweatshirt. So enjoy that. Okay. Slide them, slide, slide, slide them in. We'll do, we'll do the awkward handover.

We're going to do like a slick transition or like a go one, go one shot to me and then come back and all of a sudden last is there, but like we'll drop all pretenses. Look Look at there he is. Look at the feathers. He's styled. He's ready to go. He's slick. He's unleashed on Boston. Ladies and gentlemen, the crack of dawn has to be careful around Johnny Lazarus. They've called me a ranger jock sniffer. Now I'm a team USA. I'm a team USA jock sniffer. I got the Matthew Kachuck haircut yesterday. Yeah, look at you. You're dialed. You're ready to go. Well, let me start with the big question that I'm asking everybody today because like we've all done the analysis of this one and who's in and who's not and the drama of Quinn Hughes and the unfortunate situation with Charlie McAvoy

and we've been through all of it. Today's one of those, a couple of things. One, I just wanna talk memories with you. And I wanna try to, since you're the one on this show who played at the highest level, I do wanna ask you something sort of theoretically here. But, favorite USA hockey moment of all time, and do you have a Canadian hockey moment that comes to your mind?

I threw out Bill Baker of 1980 in that USA Sweden game. It's kind of a hipster pick, but if he doesn't score that goal with 27 seconds left against the Swedes, Miracle on Ice doesn't happen. Like that is one of the biggest goals in USA hockey history that doesn't get enough attention. But anyway, what's your, what's your US hockey memory? Yeah, I mean, I think memory is stronger than moment for me because the moment isn't necessarily one that is like a positive because they ended up losing the game.

But I remember being, you know, 13, 14 years old in my full equipment in the lobby of Iceworks Arena. I don't know, I think it's Iceworks something where the Islanders practice where I played my youth hockey watching the last two minutes of the gold medal game in 2010. They delayed our game. They delayed the start of it because it was two to one. You know everyone obviously was out in the lobby watching the end of the game and Zach Parisi ties it up and the

whole place the whole rank parents kids everyone waiting to go on the ice. Yeah stop and watch the end of the game and we all went nuts when three C tied it again the moment isn't and and Fox, McEvoy, those guys. And we actually, we played BU five days after they won the World Junior. And I was like, oh my God. I was crap and I was lining up next to these guys after they won the World Junior. But you know, seeing your friends do it and doing it on Canadian soil obviously is super special too.

But yeah, those are probably the two that stand out. But Tyler's game, that 09 game was so sick. New Year's Eve. I remember that vividly as well. That was awesome. That John Tavares hat trick was nasty. That was the first time I had heard of the world juniors too. So that was like my introduction to it. Do you have a favorite Canadian moment? Are you willing to are you willing to put your American flag down and say you know what,

there was a Canadian moment that I that's always stuck with me. Um, yeah, I mean, listen, when Jordan Eberle tied it with five seconds left against Russia, I think in that 2009 tournament, that was nasty. Shay Weber shooting the puck through the net. That could be a favorite Canadian moment that gets overlooked. Hang on, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. Have you ever broken the glass with a shot? I don't think so. Not that I can remember.

Have you ever been in a game where someone broke the glass? I'm not going to ask you if you shoot out through the neck because that's so rare, but you ever have been part of a game where someone shot it so hard they broke the glass? I was actually in a game where someone cellied and jumped into the glass and like went through it. They went through it. Yeah, I think I was in that game.

Nice. In Jersey. Oh yeah. All right, so here's what I want to ask you as a player. I need you, uh, I need you to put your player hat on here. That's what I'm mentioning at the top of the show. You know this, Canadians don't hate Americans. I know that Americans don't hate Canadians. There is a certain political temperature that's really high between these two countries. One of my favorite things in sports, and I was showing a picture of Bobby Orr from 76,

when Canada beat Czechoslovakia in the final of the inaugural Canada Cup. And what they did was a jersey swap. And Bobby Orr, as he gets the MVP of the tournament, trophies being awarded at center ice, he's wearing a jersey of Aldridge Mokachch of Czechoslovakia the jersey swap how would you feel if at the end of today's game Canadians and Americans swap jerseys I don't think it will ever happen hang on I'm not asking if you ever think it'll happen I'm saying like as a player how would you feel about it? Huh? Yeah, I just lose, did US just lose five nothing? I wouldn't want to do that.

I'd be demoralizing. Yeah. It's like an overtime game maybe, but if we just got the wheels beating off us, I'm going right into that room. I don't want to talk to anybody. Yeah, no matter how you lose, you don't, you know, it's, listen, at the end of the day,

I think when this tournament does conclude, the respect will show. Like they probably will the end of the day, I think when this tournament does conclude, the respect will show like they probably will do a handshake line, I would think. And I don't know if they've been doing that throughout the tournament. I don't think they have. But I imagine we'll see that tonight and that'll be a great handshake line as well, right? USA, Canada after a great two weeks to conclude everything and show that now that this tournament's over again,

everyone's friends again, you know, but they're not going to be friends for the 60 minutes tonight. That's for sure. A Jersey swap between like, you know, if, if the captains did it, maybe that'd be cool. Yeah. But the whole team to do it. What are they going to do? The pins before the game? Yeah, we're back at the Quebec PB tournament. Exactly. Quebec City at the old Colisee exchanging pins. Yeah. What do you expect tonight? What are you looking for tonight?

What are you curious about tonight? Well, I have one wish, actually. Okay, go. That I just tweeted. I was thinking back to Boston, big moments. And I think back to Nathan Horton, game six, 2011. Yep. Camera pans to him, rally towelorton, game six, 2011. Yep. Camera pans to him. Rally towel going Yep. He garden fired up.

Anthems conclude tonight. Anticipating the puck drop. If that camera pans to Charlie McEvoy, who just posted that he's out of the hospital, and McEvoy gets a USA chant going or something. Man, that would be that'd be something, huh? That'd be really cool in Boston. The Bruin assistant captain. I think that'd be really, I think That'd be really cool. In Boston, the Bruin, assistant captain. I think that'd be a really cool moment. I really hope they do that. But as far as the game goes,

I think it's gonna be scoreless till halfway. First goal comes in the second period, and the game opens up from there. I think the first 10 minutes is gonna be, there's gonna be no puck out there, basically. Everyone just throwing the body, trying to feel yourself into the game. But I don't end it. Do you think so? Or or is it gonna do you think like everyone's gonna be like out

there just being reckless with their bodies or is it just gonna be like it could be like a boxing match where nobody really wants to put themselves in a vulmar position so it's just like jab, jab, dance, I just think jab, jab, dance, dance. Yeah no one's gonna take a chance I think everyone's like no one wants to be responsible for a goal the other way. Right. In a game like this, the last thing you want is for you, for yourself to make a mistake in the puck goes in your own net. Like that's something that will live on forever. Like this is a game that I know how you feel that it's a one off.

But to me, like this game will be talked about forever. It will. This is the first of its kind, the only of its kind. And quite frankly, it's been the best of its kind the only of its kind and quite frankly It's been the best of its kind and hockey like Everyone is gonna be glued to the TV tonight watching this game. Yeah, and I know I better have my guy I get it. Listen, you've had a great tournament. The show has been great. I know you had a great experience in Montreal I know you're looking forward to tonight's You have the day off. Do you have the day off tomorrow? Yeah I know you had a great experience in Montreal. I know you're looking forward to tonight. You have the day off. Do you have the day off tomorrow?

You have the day off? No, we're doing a Friday show. You guys are doing a Friday show tomorrow. Okay, so like, I don't know. You're just gonna go like right from the saloon or the rando's place that you're at tonight, right to the show. Is that the way it's gonna go tonight for you, Lars?

That's the plan. I have an invite to Loud Luxury for like a Sports Illustrated NHL Four Nations party. And- That's the plan. I have an invite to Loud Luxury for like a Sports Illustrated NHL Four Nations party and I'm going to meet my wife there tonight. Okay, well, make good choices tonight, young Laz. Make good choices, make good decisions, young man. Enjoy the game and enjoy the after party as well. We'll check back soon. Thanks, Val. Thanks, Jeff. You're the best. Appreciate it.

There he is, Johnny Lazarus. From Morning Cup of Hockey, a show that you should all be watching and specifically watch tomorrow at 9 a.m. Eastern right here at our daily Face.com YouTube channel. Johnny Lazarus and Colby Cohen actually working five days a week and someone who probably feels like he works eight days a week and someone who probably feels like he works eight days a week is Jason Greger, hosts his own daily show, a DFO rundown as well. I don't know what else you do Jason but I'm sure you're

busy 24-7 because they keep those two things afloat. You got to be going at it full-time. So, Greger, thanks so much for stopping by much appreciated. How are you today Jason? Jeffrey I'm pretty good man I'm actually a little disappointed in myself because I woke up today and realized that I have I've lost my Canada t-shirt and no I I do kind of know where I lost it if and But I didn't know I lost it or remember I lost or misplaced it. Left it at a place until today when I was like, Oh, I'm going to get my

Canada Jersey on to, to wear for the game tonight. But I don't have one. So I got the red backdrop and I'm wearing a black shirt because Canada sometimes does go with the black unis. Uh, I appreciate that. Do you know where you may have misplaced said shirt? And would you like to share that with everybody? Is there a good story that goes with it? Is there a good story that goes with it?

Just a guy's golf trip and you know how those go sometimes just I remember leaving two pieces of clothes in I put it in a drawer trying to be all Mr. Mature and fold my clothes and then I forgot the drawer in the closet. Oh no, oh no. Oh no. Two of my favorite shirts were left there and then when I called the whole, you know, I called the condo place and said hey you know and I know I left them in there they're like oh they're not there and I'm like as if they're not there like where else would they be? Nonetheless, real quick before we get your thoughts on tonight and the tournament so far and maybe if there's's even any spillover into the NHL

by way of, hey, this worked, let's try this in the NHL. Favorite Canadian hockey moment, and if you have an American one, if you could share that one too. But starting us off, favorite Canadian hockey moment? It's a good question. There's multiple, it kind of changes at different times of your life.

When I was a kid, it was the 87 Canada Cup and like that was that was unreal. Gretzky Lemieux together, they're going against the Russians. It's a best of three, all the games are six, five. That was that to me was unreal. Then if you know, now this isn't an American one that they like, but the the Peter Mueller, Jonathan Taves 2006 2006-7 World Junior shootout where they went toe to toe, that was pretty unreal. And if you're going on an American one, it has to be 96 World Cup.

That's obviously been the peak of... I wasn't old enough really. Like I've obviously have seen Miracle, I've seen the movie, I've read all about it, but I didn't experience it. So I wouldn't pick that one. I would pick the 96 World Cup for the USA. I think, now, first of all, Canadians still obsess about 72 and the books keep coming, and the stories keep coming,

and the documentaries keep coming. 87, as you mentioned, at that point, we said to ourselves, this is the best hockey we've ever seen. Like, this is the best hockey ever played, period. But I the best hockey ever played period but I'm with you on 96 and I'll tell you what I'm curious where you're at on this one I'll put the hockey in 96 up against the hockey in 97 the two tournaments to me are even Canadians we don't talk about 96 a lot because we didn't win they didn't't win that tournament. But as far as like the quality of play goes, it was right there with 87 for me. How about you? Yeah, well, again, it's, you know, 87 just,

it's hard to, you know, when you think about music in your life that you love, that, you know, they talk about the psychology of our brain and at certain times in our life. And when we, when we had nothing else that really impacts us, and you know, I'm a teenager, and I don't have any care in the world, you know, like my parents are paying all the bills and I'm just showing up. It's hard to get past that 87, you know, watching it, really kind of seeing it.

So, the hockey's different and the game's changed. And I hear a lot of people, oh, well, this is the greatest bunch of players. And I think it's so disrespectful to say that about past teams. The game's evolved of players. And I think it's so disrespectful to say that about past teams. The games evolved and changed. And you know what? There's been a lot of great players on a lot of these teams.

You know what? The game is fast, great. But fast doesn't always mean better hockey. I agree. And we could have a whole conversation. I actually had a really good chat with Corey Perry, who has played and who has won and lost maybe more big games than a guy in the NHL. Like he's lost four of the last five Stanley Cups. He's won a cup.

He's won two Olympic golds. He's won a world cup. He's won a world championship. He's won a Memorial Cup and he's lost some big ones. And, you know, I got his thoughts on the game tonight and, you know, he's obviously excited to watch it and knows what the players are going through. But, you know, afterwards we had a conversation about the game and fast and Corey Perry is not going to win you any foot races. No, it is prime. No, he wasn't going to win you foot races, Jeff. But he thinks the game and he played

and, and sometimes I look at the game today and yeah, it's faster, but it's fast when not very much happens. Not so much in this tournament, but faster doesn't always mean better. Yeah. You know, that, that, that's a really interesting point too, that you look at that, that was in 2003 draft, and we just had Louis Erickson officially retire. When you look at that first round specifically, and I have to go back and look at all of them,

but like, you know, off the top of my head, Corey Perry may win that draft. He may be the last man standing in the NHL from that draft. And he's one of the, with all due respect, Corey Perry, one of the worst skaters. And that was one of the best, one of the best drafts in the history of the NHL. One of the worst skaters can win that draft. Yeah, no surprise, Jeff, that if you go back and look at the two greatest drafts, 79 and 2003, and look at the 2003 age group and when they came to the NHL because of the lockout

I don't think it's a coincidence. Oh, so yes, honey when you're forced either to go back to your junior team or spend a year in the American League Listen that is for a whole different show to hold like you are so on them None of those guys were rushed where they all haven't and and there's so many of them that are going to the Hockey Hall Of Fame and they have cups and they have trophies because they had that one extra year. Oh, you're so right where they had to go either to the American League or back to junior. Oh, you're so right about that one. Let me ask, let me ask you, because we only have a couple of moments with you and I know you have your own show to do as well.

Oh, I got lots of time, buddy. Do you? Okay. Well, let me, let me settle in for a couple of things here. What does this one look like to you? Like as people are filing in TD Garden tonight, Canada versus USA, political undertones are there, you can't avoid them. It's obvious. I was making the point off the top of the show, Jason,

that I kind of sideways snicker when I hear Canadians say like don't make hockey political. And I think about 1972 and all the players will talk about, it was our way of life against their way of life and it was more it's like whoa whoa whoa whoa we're obsessed about a hockey tournament that was intensely political. It's always there when you do nation versus nation but you get in the building what is this one like for you? Well it's it's never been there between Canada and US to this degree when you have the president of one country you know embarrassing and insulting the other country by making ridiculous asinine claims about making a whole country one state. We could just go down to this sheer size of

Canada and talk about how it would be the biggest state by like 10, 15 times, like in size and everything else. And thinking that all Canadians are suddenly going to be one, like it's just so, it's so disrespectful that it's beyond belief to me so it it does add a different layer for sure and you know what hey when you're in sporting events it's it's the old Michael Jordan and you'll find anything to get motivated now I don't think the players are necessarily using it a whole bunch but a lot of Canadian fans are and I think they should be you should you should want to love your country and stand up for it

and say, hey, you know what, man? No country's perfect, we got some problems. But hey, I can name a lot of problems down in the US as well. So anybody who suggests it, it's not political, but you can't ignore what's going on, right? Of course. When the mouthpiece keeps spouting off. So it happens, it adds a different element to it. I'll tell you, there's a lot of people

that are gonna be watching this game. Like this is great for USA hockey, because you have ESPN and other places that would ignore hockey like the plague for the longest time. And now they're talking about it all the time and they're patriotic and it's great. So like, hey, trust me, Jeff, there's never been a time

that I'm rooting more for a Canadian win than tonight. I'll tell you that right now. It's like, this is, you wanna accuse me of being a Canadian homer, fired up. I'll put my hand up and say all day, every day, because of everything else that's going on. And that adds to it. You know, it's exciting. Like I can't wait for the puck to drop. I don't think we're going to see three tilts in the first nine seconds again. And that game, by the way, was awesome. Like that just added to it. I love it. And so I think what am I expecting tonight? Well, I think Canada, you know, the

players have talked about it. They're not going to pass up as many chances. Doesn't mean they're going to score more, but they passed up some of their best chances. I felt like I felt like they kind of, they got comfortable and settled and the Americans played almost a, you know, almost a perfect game. They didn't make a key mistake, the US and Canada did. Binnington on the first goal, it's a weak goal. And Crosby of all people on the second goal, right? And that's what Corey Perry talked about. He said, in these big games, you've played in a ton of them.

It comes down to really just who makes the fewer mistakes. And you know, like you can create lots of chances and the other goal, it can be hot, but it's who makes the big key mistakes. And so that's gotta be lesson tonight for Canada. And I do think Canada is gonna attack more. And the other thing, Jeff, and we saw it, moving the lines around made a difference. I've been pounding for Brayden Point to be in the top six from the time the tournament started. He's one of their best players. He should be

in the top six and he's quick and he's smart and he's fast. And Mark Stone, you know what, he's a style of guy that, you know, maybe similar to a Hyman. So, you know, he can play with McDavid, I think, and he's hard and, you know, he's a highly emotional player. So I like the lines. The Reinhardt going with McKinnon and Crosby for whatever reason, it woke him up because he didn't do very much at all in the first two games. So I think Canada's top two lines are going to be better. I'm curious to see how Sanderson handles it. Like this is a tough game to come in for a young guy, but I'm sure if you're Steve Stale, the GM of the Sins, you're loving this. Like what a great opportunity for his young player

alongside Brady Kachuck to be in a big game like this. No one in that organization has been in a big game since 2017. So, you know, they want it. And I know that the atmosphere in Boston, I'm sure, is gonna be electric. I think it's just gonna be like the first five minutes, man. The anticipation from the players, the media, and every fan watching is just gonna be like the first five minutes, man. The anticipation from the players, the media,

and every fan watching is just gonna be awesome. I literally, I can't wait. What are we like, almost? Almost four and a half hours of my TikTok, TikTok. Let's speed it up, I wanna get there. Okay, let me close on this then. I was making this point yesterday that the NHL owes a big thank you

to two people specifically, and they're both on Team USA, and that is Matt and Brady, the Kachucks who have an idea of the moment and a sense of occasion. Those three fights and specifically the two Kachuck fights lit this thing on fire and everyone started texting and calling and you got to watch this and the next thing you know, Tom Brady's tweeting about like, and everybody is glued to this thing. Everybody's all over this thing right away

and that has carried in to this week and it's carried into tonight where unprompted people, like we just had this conversation, unprompted, you'll say, I don't know if we're gonna see three tilts, but that's on everybody's mind because of what those two players created here. Do you have a thought on, on the Kachucks kind of making this tournament right now? Um, well they definitely played a role for sure. You know, a JT Miller, like, uh,

when, when Brady fought Sam Bennett, JT Miller was trying to get anybody to fight at the same time. So I think he probably wanted it just as much, but hey, I give Sam Bennett credit. I give like, Brendan Hagel didn't have to take that fight. Right? But he doesn't, you know, now do I think he knew it was coming? Hagel and Kachak are big rivals in Tampa and Florida, right? Like, I don't think they were immune to, you know, like,

and I don't think John Cooper was completely immune to it. If you look who he started, like, he went with Hegel, and then who is out there, then it's Bennett right away. Like, there's not many guys are going to fight, right? But they were out there. And so you know what, if you want to get a little bit more credit, no problem. It's like Kachuk, single handedly at times helped, you know, and you always needed another guy. But him and Zach Cassian helped reignite the

Battle of Alberta a few years ago. And hockey is better with emotion. I don't care who you are. It's better with emotion and fighting is better when it's not the designated tough guys who only play four minutes a night. Like I hated that in the late nineties and early two thousands. I hope we never see it again in hockey. But when you have skilled guys who are just willing to chuck it and no one gets hurt, right? Like you don't see the big KOs when it's not the trained fighters, Jeff. It just doesn't happen, right? So you look at that and the emotion, the energy, Colton Precos I think had one fight in his life and he looked like he

knew what he was doing. He's throwing up. He doesn't want to break his hand. Like it's great. No, everybody skates away. Everybody's fine because that's 99.9% of the tilts in the NHL nowadays because you don't have a lot of just, you know, pure fighters who can't add anything else. And honestly, mentally it's better, because you talk to those players, that was awful. You're just, jeez, I gotta fight this behemoth, and he's gotta fight me, and it's brutal.

So, you know, you don't have any of that leading up to it. Like, Brandon Hagel's not worried to fight Matthew Kachuk, you know what I mean? He's like, oh, I might get a broken nose, but he's not gonna KO me because he's not a trained fighter. And some of these NHL guys 25 years ago were becoming trained fighters. So I think it's great.

It shows the emotion of the game, and hockey is the best when it has speed, when it has skill, and when it has raw emotion like that. And that's why I think tonight, you don't need fights like Charlie McAvoy's hit. No one even taught, like that was a great, Connor freaking McDavid. Like you don't see many guys get McAvoy's hit. No one even talks like that was a great on Connor freaking McDavid. Like you don't you don't see many guys get McDavid in the trolley tracks very often.

He popped up. It's no problem. And I actually think the McAvoy absence is a huge blow for the US. And I think I think I think Canada is going to generate a lot more offense. Don't disagree. Gregor, this has been great. Thanks so much for stopping by. I'm going to join you on your show here in like an hour or so. So we'll reverse roles in a couple of moments.

Yeah, we love it. It should be fun. You know, everybody watching the show right now, they gotta be pumped, man. Like this is, this is gonna be the most watch game of the year, the most, maybe the most watch game in a long, long time. And that's awesome.

And Jeff, you were the one, and I give you credit, you had talked about best of fives. Yeah, US Canada. And honestly, just give it to me. US Canada put Sweden, Finland, like look at Finland. You know what? Where's their best game of the tournament against their biggest rival? Like come on the rivalry games man.

I'm with you. Pride is no joke. 100%. It would be awesome to have it. I'm with you. A million percent. Thanks, Jason. You'll be good.

We'll talk soon. Thanks, Jeff. The great Jason Greger here on the program. Hockey better with emotion. I always think back to the greats, he was punch and lock who said it. We're gonna have to stop all this fighting or we'll need to build bigger buildings. With that, for some sanity perhaps here, the great Shana Goldman stops by from the Too Many Men podcast and the Athletic as well and truth be told, you and I have one bag of dill pickle chips between us right now, Goldman. USA wins, I gotta send you one. one when Canada wins you'll be sending me one how are you Shana I'm great if you're looking for me for the sanity check though I think

you are in a lot of trouble okay then let me let me start with that are you getting caught up emotionally in this thing like there is a wave like and the wave started Saturday with those first nine seconds some people have hopped on the emotional wave that's led into today. Others have jumped on the roller coaster, jumped off it a little bit, tried to have a perspective check. Other have just said, F it, we're going for it. I don't give a fuck. I'm riding this wave. Here we go. Which one are you? I'm like a little bit in between. Okay. Like, honest, God, I love best on best hockey. The World Cup hockey absolutely loved. I was there. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Right. So I

was pumped. I was so excited the second the puck dropped on Sweden, Canada. Like to me, the emotion, the energy, it was all there immediately. So I was very excited about that. USA, Canada, of course, Saturday night stir stirs up emotions for, I feel like, anyone watching, even if you're a casual fan, because it brought so much electric, uh, electric energy. I don't know how you couldn't feel something but it is kind of interesting the way the narrative has shifted and what's been focused on lately that it brings the wrong kind of emotion to things and sours it a little bit. Okay, so this is what I sort of started the show off with today. I'm not sure if you got the top of the show, but I was talking about how moments like this,

tournaments like this, tend to bring out both the best and the worst in people. And some want to, like my producer Zach here wants to throw more logs on the fire, keep it burning, keep it burning. Other people like me like, look, let's play the game and all that and then turn the temperature down. And one of my favorite things in sports is at the end of a tournament, or the end of a big emotional game, I love the jersey swap. I really do. Like, and I was bringing up the example of 1976 in Team Canada and Czechoslovakia.

I don't know that it would ever happen. But, if at the end of this game tonight, Canada and the United States swapped jerseys, how would you feel? I think certain players could pull it off. I don't want to see Brandon Hagel and Matthew Kachak swapping jerseys. I want them to hate each other because not only did it bring the energy Saturday night, but it's going to down the stretch with Tampa and Florida. Like I wanna see true rivalries from the NHL

trailing into this series, absolutely. But would I be upset if I saw, I don't even wanna use this example because I feel like everyone will react poorly, but like Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner, real life teammates, like swapping jerseys signing for each other, I think that could be really cool.

Our guys who played in college together were former teammates. If it was Sweden and USA and you saw Dylan Larkin and Lucas Raymond doing it, I think we'd all be like, that's sick. That's what you want to see, right? That's that brotherhood of hockey or whatever, whatever bullshit you want to call it that everybody loves so much. But that's what it is, right? Like, I think that I could get into sign at each other has it. It's a keepsake, cool, but otherwise, no, no, I want these guys to hate each other and I wanted to continue through the year because that's, that's what this is all about, right? Because after this

you have to snap out of USA phase and you're Kachak and Matthews and you have to hate each other now because you might face each other in the playoffs. Okay, so listen, so you're very much of the, let's keep it snarky, let's get ready to rumble, let's get ready to gr grumble and throw more logs on the fire here. What are the things I've been asking everybody on the show? And if you have a Canadian one, I would love it as well. But as an American, favorite American hockey memory. I brought up eight, or one of the things,

I shouldn't say that. Maybe it's one moment that doesn't get enough attention. Like I was talking about Bill Baker before he came on. 1980 was such a huge year for USA Hockey, Miracle on Ice, etc. But if Baker doesn't score that goal against Sweden to make it 2-2, none of this happens. Like we're not talking about Mike Arugioni and Jim Craig and the Miracle on Ice and all. We're not. If he doesn't score that goal with 27 seconds left in the game.

I don't think that, I mean it's kind of been sucked up in the history of hockey and it's almost vanished. But do you have a favorite or maybe a low-key, this needs more attention, US hockey moment that comes to your mind, Shanna Goldman? Or we could just say Jocelyn, the rock beating Canada. Listen, I might be predictable, but I make the point. Okay. I had to watch years of Team Canada dominating the US. I had to have my soul crushed in 2014 in with a three, two overtime win by who else but Marie Philippe plan the greatest player in the world, who I absolutely

love, but every time it's USA Canada, I had to watch her. I'm like gritting my teeth because I knew she was just gonna decimate my team. By the way, by the way, are you talking about the golden hat trick? Not just the golden goal? Okay, anyhow, I digress. The most clutchiest player who ever clutched MPP, continue. Yeah, the superstar that she is and still is today I mean, she's playing at a ridiculous level for Montreal, but it has to be 2018 Like that was everything that was a stay up late me and my best friend We were texting during the 2014 when we were both in college weren't together. So 2018 we were together

We had snacks. We had things to say away and we were watching it You know pinching each other to stay awake, and we were watching it, you know, pinching each other to stay awake and just stay engaged, which wasn't hard because the game was so good. All the way down to the shootout, it was impeccable. It was the best Olympic or international moment for me. But you know what, you know what's so true about that game though? Halfway through that game, and you could see it, like good on Shannon Sabados, because she was fantastic all the way through. I remember watching that thing, like I'm like you, I'm staying up late, Sabados because she was fantastic all the way through. I remember watching that thing like I'm like you I'm staying up late and I'm like Canada's out of gas. They are just getting skated like I've never seen the Canadian women's team get skated into the ice

the way they did that last game. They were going on fumes and just hanging on just like oh let's get to the shootout and maybe maybe maybe Maddie Rooney will surrender a couple of softies and will win and she didn't and Jocelyn LaRocque was ended up ended up being the star but I had never seen the the the... Jocelyn Lamoureux! Oh so I say LaRocque? USA was the star. You're saying LaRocque. You were too Canadian for me. Did I say LaRocque? I meant Jocelyn Lam Lammer It's my Canadian. It's my Canadian showing I apologize I know you're trying to have this revisionist history like yeah, they won they won then too No, they didn't that's cuz I'm still and I'm still in denial about The Royal Juniors in Saskatoon that never happened that tournament was cancelled and John Carlson never scored on Martin Jones

Never happened. Yeah, ever, ever, ever. Yeah, never. Absolutely never. You've had so many gold medals in championships, like let us have one once in a while. Not interested. Although it's a good chance of tonight. Like, listen, I know it's hard to beat a team twice in a row at this level, I get that. But where are the vibes at tonight for Canada USA for Shayna? The vibes honestly think Canada's gonna win I feel like this is gonna be a repeat of what was it 2010 when USA beat Canada when it didn't matter and then when It does yeah, that is where my head is at so fine playing right now. Yes, very good. I'm enjoying this

Okay, yeah, you should okay because when reality sets in and USA's over No, I mean, like, I think it's gonna be a really good game. I know everyone wants to see the fireworks that we saw Saturday night. I don't think it starts that way again. And I've seen some of the questions. Do you think Canada is the one to amp it up this time to respond to USA? I don't think that happens in a million years, because if I'm Sidney Crosby, I'm saying you're not doing that. We're gonna play our game and we're gonna win that way. And it's gonna be just fine. But I think he's gonna be the star of the game because naturally he just comes to play in every international setting

It's unbelievable that Canada has two captain clutches that are as elite as it gets still in Crosby and Marie Philippe-Flauam But I feel like they're going to be the players to watch and I think we're gonna get a 3-2 finish in overtime because why? Geez, I don't know about your blood pressure, but I'm not sure that at my advanced age My blood pressure can handle that Shana Goldman What are you gonna? What are your main takeaways? What do you think this tournament means to hockey? Not so much in in Canada here because I don't think this tournament is making one new Canadian hockey fan

But it's making new fans in the States much in Canada here because I don't think this tournament is making one new Canadian hockey fan but it's making new fans in the states. Like we're going through a period here where people that and we get all these tweets about it you know JJ Wa tweeting about it like people that weren't hockey fans are watching this and going like oh I never knew it was like this or now I'm kind of you know emotionally getting invested in hockey here. How much like do we have a sense of how much this is going to resonate amongst non-hockey fans becoming hockey fans in the United States? I think you know what I'm getting at here. Like, 1994 there's a great Sports Illustrated cover, hockey is hot and NBA is not. Or something like NHL is hot, NBA is not.

And then a couple of months into the season there was an NHL lockout and it killed out that momentum. But there's like a momentum here in the United States. You're there. And I'm sure you can feel it and see it and read it and all of that. Watch it. What does this do to hockey in the States? Regardless of who wins tonight, what has this done for hockey in the United States? Yeah, at 94 cover you're dating me a little bit there because I have almost pictures of it. I know

I always bugged Wyshinski about it because I always say that yeah, that was the year the New Jersey Devils won half a cup You're not wrong um So I think it's a big thing for your say hockey the big question is gonna be how it resonates We don't know right because we can't predict that right now We don't know how the momentum is going to take hold the rest of the season and into the postseason But we know the momentum is there now and I think that's the most important part of it, right? Everybody is talking about this. It is a huge moment for hockey. There's that excitement. I think John Cooper said it, right? It's 11 years or nine years

I think he said 11 years for the Olympics but it's nine years technically since the World Cup of hockey of Bottled up international play that just like exploded onto the ice for USA, Canada. And I think that's so true. I think that the interest is there to see that true best on best and yes, this is the watered down version of it. I don't want to hear it.

I know that, but you're getting USA versus Canada. You're getting the best of Sweden. You're getting mostly the best of Finland because they were so Brooklyn broken, but you're getting that right now on a national stage. It was on channel seven here on Saturday night, right? You're you have basic cable. You're flipping through. You might you might come across it and it was so

exciting and it lived up to the hype, which was the most important thing right there, right? Because if it fell flat, nobody's talking about it, but it didn't. So there's this great opportunity to do it. I also thought the commentary, which I'm very critical of, was very good because I thought that it was good for a national audience. I thought Sean McDonough did a really good job introducing each player, who they are, what team they play for, maybe giving you a quick hit on them. Like Zach Renske, he's in the Norris Trophy race. He's one of the best defensemen in the world. Josh Morrissey, he's in, you know, season 10 with the Winnipeg Jets.

Quick hits is all you need in this setting, right? So now you're going to remember these players. And you might have watched that game and you're going to remember, you know, Brady Kachak and Matthew Kachak. Well, now you might be interested in seeing where they play or what this energy might be in the postseason. If they can harness this and keep marketing this and bringing this up throughout the year as the playoffs, you know, get near, I think it's going to pay off for the NHL. But it's about them taking the momentum and actually building off it, which they've struggled to do for literally ever. One non-serious question I'm gonna ask you

and then I'm gonna come back to your main takeaways from this tournament. In our chat, Southpaw says, is that a blue Game Boy color over Shayna's left shoulder? It is purple with a blue button, what side is it on? Other left, yeah. Yeah. Okay, listen, it's something I struggle with. It's a shoe a blue button. What's that? Is it on other other left other left? Yeah Okay, listen, it's something I struggle shoe with the L

Yeah, um, it's it's like a modded one that it was flipped It was a yellow Gameboy color that is now fixed up and it's purple blue buttons And then I have over this shoulder a little higher that you can't see Yeah up there you can see there's a glow in the dark one with lime green buttons. I thought that would look really cool. And at night when it's like glowing with the screen, it looks sick. That's awesome.

One day, what I wanna do, because like you, I read a lot, one day, maybe the next time you're on, I wanna go through a couple of your books that you have behind you. But until we get there, what's gonna be, regardless of what happens tonight, and we have no idea what's gonna happen tonight, Canadian win.

What's gonna be your main takeaway from this tournament? I think that the NHL should take note of some of the rule changes and how people responded to them, right? The three, two, one point system a lot of people have been clamoring for and expanded over time. I don't think we'll ever get 10 minutes, but maybe seven minutes. Right. The color versus color matchup. It's a little detailed, I think. That's I love it. I absolutely love it here. Right. Like it doesn't get much

better than that Sweden, Canada matchup, the red versus yellow, just to see something a little bit different, a little untraditional. I think would be good here. There's takeaways to make about players on the ice, right? Like we could have a conversation right now about Connor Halliburke living up to the hype in a high pressure situation and maybe you say, hmm, maybe it's not the pressure. Maybe it's the fact that he's playing 80% of an 82 game season by the time the playoffs roll around. But I think that there are little things just to take from it. And the NHL can learn a lot. It's about being open to trying new things and using experiment with these kinds of tournaments, right? See what people respond to and maybe lean into it instead of seeing what people respond to and going, well, we're never going to do that again.

Have you already bought the bag of Miss Vickies? I don't have the Miss Vickies. Oh, no, sorry. That's the one that I'm allegedly going to be sending. Which one am I getting? Which bag am I getting here? If somehow your country pulls us off, you will be getting Kettle Cook Trader Joe's. Oh, that's right, Trader Joe's. Yeah, yeah, okay.

I'm looking forward to that. I'll park it for a very special hockey night. You'll be getting the Miss Vickies, which are near and dear to my heart as well, and you as well. You're the best. Always appreciate it when you stop by. Great insight, as always, always and fun and emotion. Do you have love for the

Kachak brothers here before we bid each other good afternoon? Because to me they've really, they like, we talk about rising to the occasion and having a sense of where like what the what the moment needs and whether you like fighting or not, what they did on Saturday, like that was rising to that moment and making this sport bigger than it already is. Close out on the Kachaks here. I mean, I think everybody loves the potential for brothers. We almost had two sets of brothers on Team USA,

which would have been so fun. But I wanna give the moment to someone who hasn't gotten it as much. I wanna give it to Brady Kachak, because we had no idea what he was gonna look like in this environment. He's never been in the NHL postseason and he has stood out. He has converted on his chances, which is a struggle he's had throughout his career.

He has starred in the best way for Team USA. And I think guys like him and Dylan Larkin, who only has five games of postseason experience, like I want to see what they do in the playoffs roll around because he is someone you could see amp up his game when the matter calls when the moment calls for it and he absolutely did that. To me it's Larkin. When we're talking like that, to me Larkin's been, with all due respect, for my money and his ice time, I think he's been the best player. Absolutely, yes.

Every time he's been out there, something happens. I've been so impressed by Dylan Larkin. Okay, on that we'll let you go. What do you do when you're nervous, by the way? Rip my nails off? I don't know, like I'm a nail biter. I usually eat sunflower seeds. How are your nails looking?

Are they okay? Are they holding up? They're okay. They're okay. I've been, you know what? I've been on like typing and pulling video and tweeting out numbers to keep my hands busy. If not, I crochet.

Otherwise, I rip apart my nails. Okay, well, I wish your nails all the best getting to the game tonight and May the best team win Tonight I hope everybody has fun. I hope we have fun. I hope we have fun watching it. That's what I care about I hope it's a good game. That's all I care about. You know me. That's all I care about. Thank you, Shane You'll be well. Thank you. There she is the the great Shannon Goldman from the Too Many Men podcast and also the athletic. Okay.

We're getting late in the day here. Um, so we'd like to remind you there is a hockey game tonight. After all, FanDuel is proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. And this is a major sports moment that matters to hockey fans. We've talked Zach Phillips about just do Canada USA. Just do Canada. Give the people what they want. We had Ofe Bodin on the other day and he was talking about, yeah, give us Sweden, Finland. We'll take that too. It's, you know, emotion in hockey is not exclusive to Canadians or to Americans.

What do you expect tonight? By the way, I want to give you a plug as well. You're going to be at Greta. Now also, Nick's going to be there, right? Alberg is going to be there. Is producer Vic going to make it appear? The ghost! Is the ghost going to be there? I believe vacation Vic will be there. I also think we may have an appearance from the one and only Stephen Ellis Nobody I'm confident saying this Nobody and I mean nobody in the world Watches more hockey. Hang on. Let me tell you at that watch is more obscure hockey Than Stephen Ellis that guy is a machine. I thought I watched a lot of hockey? Nope.

Then I met Stephen Ellis. That guy watches hockey. Give out the deets real quick tonight at Greta. Greta Bar, 590 King Street West, Toronto, Ontario. You can find it over at Open Table or give them a call if you're looking for a reservation or you want a table for a group, whatever it may be. It's free, there's no cost to get in there. You just have to say that you're coming and then get in the doors there. We did it on Saturday night. It was a lot of fun.

Unfortunately, in a snowstorm, around here, you know the snowstorm happened. We had sold the event out and we were worried that it wasn't gonna go through. And I think like, I think there's probably still like three quarters of the people who signed up still showed up. So it was pretty awesome.

It was very fun to watch with a lot of other fans and everything like that. I'm really excited about it tonight. I will tell you this, I always like to say I'm not superstitious and then I do stupid stuff and then it's like, okay, yeah, you're superstitious. So today I watched all my clothes.

I am wearing, made sure I'm not wearing the same underwear or socks, like different brands. Oh, you're that guy. Of both. You're that guy. I'm wearing different pants, a different shirt. On Saturday I wore a Canada jersey and a red like bead necklace thing that Alberga gave me.

Not wearing that tonight. I wore the Small Town Strip Club hat on Saturday. Love them, love the hat. Will not be wearing it tonight. What are you wearing then? Are you wearing that hat? I'm wearing this. I think I'm going like off the path here.

Like we're going away from what we just had. Like I gotta change some things up here, change the vibes. Yeah, I gotta change this whole setup. I like how you said, I'm gonna do things different. I washed my clothes. That's somehow more different. What do you do? Turn your clothes inside out?

Get back to university, just trying to get double the wear out? Nope, don't gotta go to the laundromat. Just turning this inside out, we're all good. No, no, that I did consume myself on that. There's no pointing that. Yeah. That's awesome. That's gonna be a lot of fun today. What do you, I I mean yeah, I did myself on that. There's no 49. Yeah That's gonna be a lot of fun today. What do you what when I asked you like, you know favorite moments USA I mean we throw around a lot of hockey history

lately Like it's this one that you I'm not gonna say like do you care about because we all care about this game I guess this is this is a really big game but of all the games that you've watched so far in your life, whether it's international hockey, whether it's NHL, like all of it, like, do you have a sense of where this one fits in for you? Or is it, or are you not going to understand that until the game's over? I think going into it, it's already pretty high up. I mean one of the big things you and I have talked about it a lot is that I haven't gotten the same degree of international experience of

best on best and I know there's people missing so when I say best on best there's obviously a caveat but I haven't had it. Like World Cup of hockey was fine but even then I was kind of I don't know you could speak to it as well you were very much more involved in it. It didn't have this feel did it? Like I don't think so. I don't know, you could speak to it as well. You were very much more involved in it. It didn't have this feel, did it? Like, I don't think so. I don't think that World 2016 World Cup of hockey was the same.

North America made it weird. Having the European team made it weird. Pause on that. That was what made it. Because it's funny too, coming out of that tournament, the one thing that I take away, I think a lot of people take away, is a team that didn't do anything. It's a team that didn't win championship, didn't come close

to winning the championship, but got everybody really excited about how they were playing. And this was the next wave of hockey playing. That was team North America. They played great. Like they looked super cool. The uniforms were great. Like all of it, but the team didn't piss a drop. They were just like super entertaining we all loved it couldn't stop like i just i mentioned to you on the show last week i think it was you know i think it was like a random tuesday or thursday afternoon um just going in and watching north america versus sweden one of the great games of this generation just sitting there with me and delo the now the assistant general manager carolina just sitting there watch me and Dello the now the assistant general manager with Carol I just sitting there watch like is on a random

afternoon and August in Toronto just sitting here going like at a certain part of the game We're like this is like one of the best games you've seen in a long time But there was no there was no like Oh Canada going into team Europe here for the final. Oh, what's this? No, not like this not you're a hundred percent right about that But here's the other thing too And this is why this is why I like being here at daily faceoff slash the nation network what's this, no, not like this. You're 100% right about that. But here's the other thing too. And this is why I like being here

at Daily Face Off slash The Nation Network. Like I tend to lose sight of the idea, like I just, fraudulently and wrongly, I just assume that everybody has seen everything that I've seen, right? And like I mentioned to you, like 76 was my first big tournament. I just assume that

everybody's seen a ton of international hockey and being here, there's a lot of people, younger people yourself that wake up and just like burn and burn and like passion for hockey and all that and that's great and I love it. I always gotta every now and then check myself and say like, they haven't seen all these things. Like their window to see hockey is gonna extend past mine, certainly. When I when I die Zach you're still gonna be watching a lot of hockey games and be like yeah yeah Merrick told me about 76 I don't know Sittler's or I don't know some about hashex favorite goalie I forget now anyway let's say now that hockey has no no no blue lines and no center line and the rinks are bigger

and anyway and not playing maybe not even playing on ice anymore but I tend to forget that like there's this whole generation of hockey fans that haven't seen a whole lot of best on best I just grew up with it so I just assumed that everybody arrogantly just assumed that everybody's growing up with it and it's a good check for me it's a really good check for me yeah and I mean to that like we did get it obviously we got 2014 and we get the world juniors and all that stuff. But, you know, I feel like in a way it's 2010 is kind of being a high that I've

been chasing from like my international hockey competitive standpoint for, you know, 15, yeah, chasing the dragon for 15 years. Like, you know, even for me, 2014, I was in high school during Sochi, and relatively that was a kind of a boring tournament, and it was like, okay, Mike Babcock, low score in hockey, which is fun, but when you relate back to what I had just seen four years earlier,

not the same, 2016, I was watching that tournament going into my first year of university in my dorm, like on a TV Smaller than the computer monitor I have sitting in front of me right now. Just being like wow What is Austin Matthews gonna do for us? This is different. This is something I've been looking for for a long time the Kachucks They have done an unbelievable job of pulling me in even further than I had already anticipated But like I listened everybody who came on here today

Gregor has me ready to run through a wall. I'm hoping that that loud luxury tonight like makes this a Canada a Massive party for Canada after so Laz can enjoy himself, but not really and then you know at the end there Shana brings up rivalries and it's like Yeah, I don't want to see Jersey Swaps. Like I want the hatred. And hatred is an interesting word to use there because I don't think they hate each other. You know, if you put them in a room, I think they're probably good people and they're fine,

but they hate each other. And that's what drags me into it. And it feels real. And it feels like what's going on in the ace drags out further. And I'm like I mean I'm ready to run through a wall right now like I don't even I'm gonna go listen to Nickelback burnt Canadian music only like I'm gonna eat female bacon and maple syrup and Canadian organic farm fresh all that shit Jeff And I'm gonna go nuts here ahead of this guy.

How hungover will you be for this show tomorrow? Let's close on that. I'm a pro. I will be fine. I'm a pro. So two big coconut waters before you go to bed. That's what you're saying. All right, very good.

Can I show you something actually quickly here before we wrap up? Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Last thing. So you asked for your favourite hockey Canada-US moments. And you know, I don't, I thought about them and there's the obvious ones. You know, US TJ Oshie and I think that was because of the bigger picture stuff and watching all that. The first time I ever felt heartbreak that I could remember from an international level was John Carlson's goal. I remember seeing that happen and being devastated seeing that. Canada there's easy ones Crosby, Golden, Gold, Jordan Aberle, etc. I think the Taves shoot out was that was one that stood out to me as well. I have

something for you I asked my mom for it she got it for me right before the show went and I want to show this to you because it's got some people that we know in it as well. Okay. One time my life. I've gotten to play for Canada in a US thing It's not really for Canada, but one of those can am playing minor hockey. Was it a can am can am tournament Oh way, and we had Canadian teams and American. Yeah, all my kids do that. It's great. Awesome. It's great Yes, so we got thumped in one of the games I remember this the kind of the only thing I remember outside the fact that I got to wear the Canadian uniforms He lost like Sean Day's Detroit Little Caesars pretty bad. He was so good dude. He was so good then

Unbelievable, but I have the picture of the team in the picture there Wow in the front or if you look in the second row. Yeah. From the first to the outside. Is that Robert Thomas? That is Robert Thomas in there on the far right side. So second row far right, that totally looks like Robert Thomas now. Holy jeez. The guy who's standing beside me is Cameron Wright, who plays for the Bakersfield Condors.

And then if you look in the back row. Hang on, which one is you here? Second row far left. Oh, you're far left. Oh, look at that. The world hasn't beaten him down yet. He's not as cynical as he is now. A glint of optimism in his eyes. Okay, sorry, go ahead. Yep.

And then back row, very middle. You know who that is. Come on. Ryan De Silva. at that yes person but I want to show that throw that throw that up again throw that up again here's the thing about that so in the middle there Ryan De Silva and this is the York Simcoe Express playing the 2010 Can-Am Ryan De Silva and this is the York Simcoe Express playing in the 2010 Can-Am. Ryan De Silva is now a coach with York Simcoe Express. Right. Right. That is a full circle moment. Meanwhile Robert Thomas, second row right, is making a bajillion

dollars. Yes, seriously. You're working with me. Let that, let the gravity of that sink in for a second Zach Phillips, yeah, I always tell you about making good decisions All right, let's sign off Thanks a lot for joining me today and joining me and Zach today and don't forget to check out Zach at credit bar tonight on King Street for tonight's matchup if you are in the Toronto area and at Greta Bar tonight on King Street for tonight's matchup if you are in the Toronto area and

No matter what happens tonight. We're on the air tomorrow 3 o'clock Eastern with Brian Burke always a favorite around these parts and after a night like this is going to be he's one of if not possibly the best guest to have If you're in the chat, I can't stop watching. Can't stop reading the comments. They're all excellent. Thanks so much for joining me here today. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. I know the shelf life of this show isn't very long so thanks for sticking it out with me here today. We're back tomorrow again with Brian Burke, 3 o'clock Eastern on the sheet. A special edition of Morning Cup of Hockey tomorrow. the rare Friday edition at nine o'clock Eastern,

daily face-off live, I believe tomorrow at noon, or maybe that one is on hiatus considering it might be a travel day for the guys, we shall see. But anyway, we'll be here at three o'clock Eastern with Zach and Ryan Burke. Thanks so much for joining me. Back tomorrow, man, tonight's game is fucking awesome. Enjoy it, talk to you tomorrow. Man, that's fine

I'm not against those methods, but I knew It's me, myself and how this gon' be fixed in my mind I feel on the record I turned on the music I feel on the record I turned on the music I feel one bad guy I turned on the music But you stand out there battle But you're sometimes losing

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