The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Carolina Hurricanes are 2026 Stanley Cup Champions ft. Aaron Ward, Mike Maniscalco, & Greg Wyshynski

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

The Carolina Hurricanes are Stanley Cup Champions! 🏆On a special championship edition of MVSW, Jeff Marek and Greg Wyshynski react to the Carolina Hurricanes defeating the Vegas Golden Knights in Game 6 to capture the 2026 Stanley Cup, their first championship since 2006. The guys break down the defining moments of Carolina's Cup run, Jordan Staal's Conn Smythe-winning performance, Rod Brind'Amour's incredible journey from Cup-winning captain to Stanley Cup-winning head coach, and what this championship means for the Hurricanes franchise moving forward. Carolina secured the Cup with a 3-0 victory over Vegas, capping off a dominant playoff run and earning the organization's second Stanley Cup in franchise history.Joining the show is former Hurricanes Stanley Cup champion Aaron Ward, who reflects on the similarities and differences between the 2006 and 2026 championship teams, the culture that helped build a winner in Carolina, and the significance of bringing another Stanley Cup to Raleigh. Then, Hurricanes television host Mike Maniscalco joins live from the celebration to share his perspective from inside the organization, discuss the atmosphere surrounding the championship victory, and look back at the key moments that defined Carolina's unforgettable postseason run.All that and more on a special Stanley Cup-winning edition of The Sheet with Jeff Marek and Greg Wyshynski.#TheSheet #MVSW #CarolinaHurricanes #LetsGoCanes #StanleyCup #StanleyCupFinal #NHL #Hockey #JeffMarek #GregWyshynski #AaronWard #MikeManiscalco #JordanStaal #DailyFaceoff #NHLPlayoffsReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oh, hello there. We don't have the fancy Stanley Cup playoffs. Audio video banner anymore, Greg Wichenski, because the Stanley Cup playoffs are over. The playoffs are over. Type it away trying to hype the show. And I was waiting for... Yeah, and there was none of that because the playoffs are, in fact, over.

I am doing the show from the Aria, a hotel, and casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, which has been my home away from home for the last two weeks. And after the show, I will be rushing to the airport for a series of connecting flights to bring me back to see my children and my dog, not on a FaceTime call, which is quite a novelty over the last two months. Yes, you get to reacquaint yourself with your family. Oh, I remember you. What was your name again? Hey, listen, congratulations of the Carolina Hurricanes. There's a lot to get to you with the hurricane.

As far as Stanley Cup stories go, this Stanley Cup final was loaded. And we're going to spend a lot of time today talking about the Carolina Hurricanes. We should park some time, too, to talk about a lot of the issues coming out of the Vegas Golden Knights, because there are mini, and they start with the head coach. But initial thoughts here before we really get going on the program, as I look at the Carolina Hurricanes, one of the things that is quite spectacular about it is, Rod Brindromer is probably the biggest star on this team. Like, this is the team that superstars forgot.

Like, when we talk about team and team sports, generally by the time you get around to the Stanley Cup final, there's a Barkoff and a Kachuk and a Vastolevsky and a Kucherov and an Ikel and et cetera, et cetera, Nathan McKinnon, Kail McCar, like, there are superstars that you attach to. With all due respect to all the players on the Carolina Hurricanes, and I mean this as a compliment, there are no superstars that stand out here. Like, this is the definition of a team.

team as we talk about what a team is. Sebastian Ajo is excellent. Logan Stancoven is going to be a really good player in this league for a really long time. Taylor Hall has won the Hart Trophy for crying out loud, but there's no superstars. I think that Jacob Slavin is a superstar, but as far as like fame and everybody knows him,

no superstars here. This is a team. This is a capital T team. This is an interesting chicken or the egg argument, actually. I'll get to Rod in a second because I, I can't have many words for Rod. But the thing you've described, though, like part of that is Rod.

Part of that's the system. Part of that is how they play. And the way they play is so suffocating and so dominating that people don't want to watch it. And I know that as a Devils fan. Are you telling me Patrick Eliash who'd have been one of the biggest stars in the league where it's not for the way the Devils played?

I mean, for real. And so when you look at it, at this team and you look at what they are, I mean, Slaven should be Victor Headman. And Seth Jarvis should be. No, he plays a different game. And Sebastian a whole. But from a hype standpoint, Merrick, the point is that they play a system that doesn't accentuate how good they could be in totality.

And then they play in Raleigh. And those are the two reasons why these players aren't put on a pedestal of stardom like others around the league. I mean, let me give you the best example. Jordan Stahl, Captain, wins the Khan Smythe. Everybody's on his tip last night, except for me and a few other voters, which we'll get to later. He's never won the Selke. Despite being the biggest hyped defensive forwards of the last 20 years, he's never won the Selke.

Now, that's probably because of Patrice Bergeron and Anja Kopitar and Alexander Barkoff, but it's also because he plays in Raleigh, and he plays with the Carolina Hurricanes. and he doesn't get the respect that other people get. So I do think it's an interesting chicken to the egg argument, which is that Brindamore is the biggest star in the team, partially because the system they play means that Brindabor has to be the biggest star in the team. Let me say one thing briefly about Rod. Tom Dundon has said this a couple times,

the owner of the Carolina Hurricanes. He said, no more free lunches, no. He said, when Rod was hired his coach, When Rod was hired his coach and then I talked to Dundon last night on the ice after they won the cup, he used this phrase both times, which is that Rod Burnhamer is our greatest asset. And that's not only in the sense that he's an amazing coach, but find me another coach in this league that loves his organization as much as Rod Burned Amour does, who bleeds for his organization as much as Rod Burned Amour does.

who became the seventh person in the history of the National Hockey League in the first since Tope Blake in the 1950s. Who are you? To be a player and a coach that lifted the Stanley Cup for the same. That is the thing about Rod that will go down in history is the fact that he loves the team that he's a part of and has been a part of for all but two of their playoff victories as either a player or coach. Some of my favorite stats of all time. There have been two games in the history of the Carolina Hurricanes

that they've won in the postseason that Rod Brindamore has not been a part of in some way. Can you say Tobe Blake again but slower at Greg Wasinski? All of a sudden you're turning into the historian on the podcast. I really appreciate that, but I really appreciate that deep cut and that pull with Tobe Blake here. Let's get to a couple of things here. First of all, the program.

The blueprint is powered by Fandual. Download the app today and play your game on Fandual. Coming up in the program, more from Greg Wischinski from ESPN and ESPN.com, everything Carolina. Like, there's going to be a whole lot of it today. Aaron Ward is going to stop by the program. Of course, former Carolina Hurricane Stanley Cup winner back in 2006. Mike Manoscalico is the play-by-play voice of the Carolina Hurricanes. He will be here and we're going to get into the minutia of all of it,

although there's a lot of big stories. And there's one here that I wonder about now, which we'll probably get into over the next few weeks, months. and dare we say maybe over the next season, which is, I think, a story that the Florida Panthers have gone through. And I think the Carolina Hurricanes may end up going through the exact same thing as well. 16 and 3 is an incredible run. It truly is. Like, we've just seen.

And I do understand, like, the way that I've framed watching Carolina Hurricanes hockey because I like the way they play, but I wonder whether it's because I'm invested in those sports. players because I really like those players. I really do. I have a lot of time for a lot of those guys. But when you look at the Carolina hurricanes and you look at what they've been able to do this season, a couple of things, you start to strip it away, a couple of things become really interesting. And I do want to ask you about Jordan Stahl, but I want to ask you about Taylor Hall too.

Now, Taylor Hall yesterday did something that no one, as you went on your toe Blake will diatribe there. I'm going to throw a Taylor Hall at you. We're kind of reversing roles here. Taylor Hall did something yesterday that no one in the history of hockey has ever done. Do you know what that is? No one in the history of the game. Taylor Hall is the only player in the history of the NHL, which is Greg Wyshinsky, our noted historian who referenced Toblake five minutes ago, will tell you, goes back to 1917. And in that time, there's only been one player who has been selected first overall, who won the heart trophy and won the stand. Stanley Cup with three different teams.

With three different teams. Drafted by the Oilers, Heart with the Devils, Cup with the Hurricanes. And I was kind of hoping that he's going to win the Kansmite trophy as well, because that does sound even more profound. Heart Trophy, Stanley Cup, and drafted first overall by the Oathes.

But when you talk about weird career arcs, and he talked about this on the ice yesterday, Taylor Hall has just put before us, one of the most interesting careers that I think we've ever seen in the NHRs. ever. Yeah. Easily.

I stole this from social media last night, but travel back in time and you're DeLorean and tell an Edmonton Oilers fan aroundabouts 2015 that Taylor Hall and Connor McDavid will both have, you know, we'll both have Stanley Cup. One will have a Con Smyth, the other one will have a Stanley Cup, and neither of them will be in a winning effort for the Edmondon Oilers. So he really impressed me. in the sense that I think over time he became a different player.

The physicality with which he played in the playoff run for the Carolina Hurricanes was something remarkable. That's where it gets really even weirder. He's turned into more of a physical player as his career has gone on. Yeah. He's like thicker, he's bigger,

he's a power forward now. Generally, and the note of the exception is another Carolina hurricane who all this happened for him was Gary Roberts. is like the other one who did that with his career. He went from not being able to do a chin up in his combine to being one of the best power forwards.

And it's true story, to being one of the best power forwards in the NHL. But as Hall's career has gone on and we see it now, he's a much, he's a different player. So let's talk about the consmite. Go for it. If you've seen the voting results, you know that I am, I've written a minority report. I am in this dissenting class of consmite voters.

I think there's about three or four of us that put Taylor Hall first on our ballots. And there's no wrong answer when it comes to Taylor Hall or Jordan Stahl. I mean, like, Jordan Stahl is the sun around which all of the Carolina Hurricanes orbit. You ask any of them about the pace that he sets, the example he sets his captain, the things he does defensively leading up to a Stanley Cup final where he then scores six goals in five games. like he is extremely deserving of this award. I think there is recency bias, though.

And you could make the argument that that's okay because the Stanley Cup final should count more than the other rounds. It's an argument that I've been making since 2003 when J.S. Jare stole Marty Bredores-Rodores-Smith. But for me and for my friend Sean Gentilly and a couple of others that have covered the hurricanes for multiple rounds in these playoffs, I don't think there's a better constant.

Smyth winner than Taylor Hall. Like, not only with the things that he did leading up to this series, and again, he's the second leading score on the team besides his linemate Jackson Blake. A vote for Taylor Hall for me, Merrick, is a vote for the reason the Carolina Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup, which is the Logan Stankovin, Taylor Hall, Jackson Blake line. When the stall line wasn't scoring, when the Aho line was invisible, it was that line that provided all of the offense that they needed in front of the defense that they played.

And for Hall to score the biggest goal of the clinching game to get them on the board first on the road, and for all the things he did leading up to that series, I was quite confident in my vote for him to win the Consmite. And I was actually really surprised there wasn't more support for him. Do you think it was the two-goal game that cemented it for Jordan Stahl? Because here's a guy that won the Consmite Trophy with, with 12 points.

And I know that it's like a day about shut down and face-offs. And I need him the commissioner reference to face-offs when he handed off the cons-mithe trophy here too. But at the end of the day, it's 12 points. He's got a 12-pointed con-smyth trophy winner, but he scored in every single game outside of Sunday night. You have to remember that the consmith is a narrative award at the end of the day. And so the idea that the defensive forward steps up with the greatest offensive

series of his life in the most important series of the, in, you know, recent, in 20 years for the franchise. Like, that's not going to be lost on people. The fact that he's the guy that's been with the organization longer than anyone in the roster is not going to be lost on people. And while I don't know if this is necessarily part of the math for some of my colleagues, there's a beautiful symmetry to Jordan Stahl winning the consmite in a year that a Rod Brindamore coach team won the Stanley Cup.

Like, he's basically Brindamore 2.0. He's the team captain. He's the guy who fashioned himself into one of the best offensive forwards in the NHL. Oh, by the way, he's still pretty good offensively when you need him to be. Like, he's like the perfect sort of proxy for Rod Brindonimoire in a lot of ways. And so it makes sense that he wins the cons might. I just think that like when you start to kind of like pull back the layers of this team and get under the hood and figure out why they won, it's that Stankovin-Hall-Blake line.

Like that is the heartbeat of this run. beyond the coach. Here's the other wrinkle to throw into it too. If it's going to be an award that is won by a defensive forward for what he was able to do, could you not make the case then that outside of that one awful game that Slavin had in Game 1 against a Montreal Canadians, Jacob Slavin could have won this award and maybe should have won this award? I don't think so. Again, I've covered this team for multiple rounds.

I think Slavin Slavin was ordinary to the point where people were wondering if he was injured earlier in the playoffs. It wasn't simply just the Montreal game, but it was other games as well. That being said, I was on the ice last night watching the Hurricanes party with the Cup for three reasons. Taylor Hall scoring the first goal. Brandon Bussie playing the best game of his life in the single most important moment of his life. I said people were like, hey, what's the scenario for there being a game seven? There's two scenarios.

One is that Carolina is impacted by either the travel or the fact the cup was going to be in the building or that Brandon Bussie has a bad game. And he had the opposite of a bad game. He was spectacular last night. Sure was. And then the third reason was Slavin. Slavin was, watch the haul goal. Slavin has a chance to pinch. He decides not to.

He rolls back into defensive coverage. He makes the play to force a turnover. And then he sets up Paul down the ice with a pass. Like, name. Name me the defenseman who do that in this league. It's one. You know, I got to, okay. Let me ask you about that goal.

I was texting with someone about this last night. As every defender on the ice in the first period early is looking to, like, establish their gap. That's pretty cheeky at Taylor Hall to be hanging up high looking for a breakaway. That's what they do. Behind the Vegas defense like that. No, but when everyone is just like, get in my gap, getting my gap, getting my gap, getting my gap. There's Taylor Hall saying, nope, I'm hanging out here by the blue line. Both of these teams like to do that.

Both of these teams love a stretch pass. And part of the reason why Carolina flipped the series is that in the first four games of the series, the Vegas Golden Knights in the second period outscored them nine to one doing that very thing. And even like after they figured it out in game five, they still slipped a pass through to Mark Stone with one of those long stretch passes. But in games five and six in the second period, Carolina outscored them three-nothing. Like they really figured out how to defend those long stretch passes. Taylor Hall, I think I mentioned on the show, told me it was kind of like they thought of it like at the NFL. Like they felt like they had to have a nickel package back there to basically defend those passes.

Because that's what the knights do offensively. But Slavin was so good last night. There are certain times as a hockey fan when you are so confident in how well a player is playing. playing that every time he's around the puck or every time he's on the puck, you're like, I don't have to worry. Like, he's just got it. And every single time Slaven was making a play last night, you didn't even have to look. I didn't even look up from my laptop.

Like, I knew the play was getting shut down. Like, there's nothing. There was nothing they could do against Slaven last night. It was one of the single most dominant performances by a defensive defenseman I've ever seen live. And I don't think he deserved the cons might, but he's the reason they won game six. What is the lesson you think that teams will try to learn slash ape from the Carolina Hurricanes? Like I look at the construction of this team and I say to myself like, I've been consistent on this, I think, all the way through. There's a very specific type of player that can succeed with this team, with Rod Brindamore.

And that is you have to be athletic. You have to be able to think quickly. Those are the two main things because that, especially defensively, playing in their own zone, that is hard and that wears on you as a lot. a player. You know, one of the first things Taylor Hall did when he, when he joined the Carolina in Hurricanes was talked about conditioning, right? And they were just like, and you saw it, and you saw it in game four and all the way through to game six, like they were just a better conditioned team. They play a really, really tough style to play in their own zone. That is so exhausting. You know, Aaron Ward's going to stop by here in a couple of seconds. We'll ask him

about, as a defender, but it's tough for everybody to play man on man. But so it's not as simple as, well, all of a sudden, now our coach is going to have everyone playing, man. Patrick Wad did that with Colorado when he first took over. It lasted until Christmas. And then they had to go back. You can remember this. But I want to ask Aaron here at a second. I do want to ask about how challenging it is and whether there's a unique style of player that succeeds in this system.

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when the Carolina Hurricanes won this thing in 2006. And he joins us now. Aaron Ward, how are you? I'm good. I didn't partake in the festivities downtown that lasted in the wee hours. I'm over 50 now, so I'm in bed by like, you know. Well, guess who did?

Greg Wyshski. No, you're talking about over in Raleighwood, right there, Aaron? Oh, yeah. I think, listen, nobody burned a school bus, so I was obviously overshadowed by the Knicks celebration, but a good night to be had in Raleigh. Like, the scenes from the arena were awesome, and those fans deserve it.

I mean, you know, as much as we talked about, like, Jordan Martinuk said something about Rod Brindon, we're having, like, scar tissue. Like, we all share the same scar tissue, the guys that have been on this team and trying to break through the ceiling of the Eastern Conference for as long as they have. Those fans have it too, man. It's been a long 20 years between championships for those fans.

A lot of heartbreak inherent in some of these playoff runs. So I felt really good for them last night. Yeah, that scar tissue is patience. If you think about the way this team's been constructed, it's been the last five or six years. It's been an expectation that this team was supposed to win. And as you see them bow out to Boston and bow out to Florida, there's that head scratch component to something is clearly missing

what it is, whether it's like a tactical approach, whether it's not a fit for the players, the system, whatever it was over time. I think the fan base stuck with it. Testimony to Roddy Brindamore is sticking to what he is and what he's all about and maintaining that style of play for this group. Dundon having a level of patience to stick with it also. I mean, listen, he's a businessman and when things don't go well,

businessman have a tendency to make change rapidly and a little bit knee-jerk and to show a level of patience. And, you know, listen, you can fall back and say, I heard the stats yesterday that Carolina Hurricanes when Gary was getting out the Stanley Cup, the number of regular season wins. It's the most in, I don't know what, five or six years. Okay, so there's

that. But that can only last so long in an environment where in pro sports you have to put up championships or basically your expiration date is done. So the scar tissue is patience and that's patience from the guys that decide to stick around like the Jordan Stalls and

the Martnooks and anybody else that came in years ago and saw the potential, but it just wasn't realized for whatever reason. What was Rod Brindamore like as a player on your team? By the way, like, if I'm Rod Brindamore,

I can't wait to get my shirt off every single chance I get. Like, that thing came off quick in the room like, oh, you really want me to do this? Okay, I'm just torn up like a bad report card. Check this out. That's... Light matches off my abs. Well, did someone rip it off him, though? Does someone rip it first?

Yeah, someone ripped the shirt first? Yeah, someone ripped the shirt. I said last night if they ever put a statue of Brindamore in front of the arena, it should be him kind of like ripping open a suit Superman style and he just his eight pack

so it covers the Rod the Bob thing and the coach thing. Technically he went to Michigan State University for a year as you could take like there's it's a Greek God kind of mascot so you could take the Spartan mascot stick his head on it

and it be a true to life. Here are the thing about Roddy. So you asked the original question. Who he is in those interviews when he shows a level of caring, right? And a level of investment in his players is the same way he was as a captain. Now, as a captain, he was forced to be less vocal. Actually, he was, sorry, as a coach, he's forced to be more vocal. As a captain, he was very kind of surgical in when and where he stepped in,

both vocally and with his presence and by his actions. So Roddy is who he presents himself to be. That's the way when I saw the shirt come off and there was a celebration, like someone, it's like a fun thing, right? You know how serious Roddy is. I guarantee that every single player that played from wanted that shirt to come off. Almost as like a final, like, not only do we just win, but check out our head coach because he is like, yeah, that's who guided us. My dad's tougher than your dad.

Watch, check this out. That's, there is very much that element. You know, one of the things, Werta, we were talking about before he came on was there's a certain kind of player. succeeds here with the Carolina hurricanes. Focusing on the back end, which you would know intimately. If you're someone that plies this trade with cross-checks

to the back in front of the net, there's probably not room at the end here for you. But if you're athletic, you can move your feet and you can think then there's a lot of room for you. And I think we have to, as much as we talk about Rod Vindamor, I think Tim Cleese and Jeff Daniels as well for what they do because, as we were talking about a couple of podcasts ago, everybody just

gets better there. Yeah. They do. But they have to, A, They have to embrace the environment. You've got to want to be here. And the cool part was like, so you see listen to these interviews and when guys are most transparent is when they're tired and they let their guard down, and that's usually after they want.

And they're pretty like blatant about expressing how they feel. And you look at Gostis Bearer in one of his interviews yesterday saying, like, I came back. He knew what they had here and he had a desire to be here. And the amazing part is, if you, we'll take the D-Corps, for example. Slavin played all world last night. but Slaven was not Con Smyth Slaven through the Stanley Cup

playoffs, which is a testimony to the fact that as I look at that group Gostas Bear and Walker were the two best defensemen through the Montreal series. I mean the idea that Gostis Bear and actually was Walker who ran over Dobish and he's in the offensive zone. That specific game he was in the zone, rushed in the puck

up four separate times. It's like a, it's not a motley crew. I mean they have names back there and guys are fully capable, but the amazing part is they're all able to move their feet. They're all able to play offensive. They're all able to play physical. I mean, look at the dish out that Walker gave on Carlson. I mean, these guys understand what the job is. They execute it incredibly well. And they're not going to go down specifically maybe

Slaving Yes, Kloy for his accolades. But the rest of them, they're there and they perform a duty without expecting like a major pat in the back or needing headlines. And they do an amazing job at it. And they're not all the same kind of style player. Greg? I wanted to, that's a great point. By the way, you can make the argument the Walker hit on Carlson is like one of the top three most important moments of the cup final. Like the golden, that's the, that's the thread. Andrew Lag taken out.

Rollis-a-Sand-Rolling-A-Rolling. Oh, there you go. It's right. There you go. I'll put it out there. But, Aaron, I wanted to ask you, because you bring up a great point about the defense corps. Like the gossus pair is playing PP1, but he's also a third pairing defenseman on this roster. And when you look up and down, it's like, Taylor Hall comes to Carolina.

He's not playing with Ajo. He's playing with two kids. You know, Eilers signs a four-year mega contract with them as a free agent. He's on their checking line. But like all of these guys, and I think when Merrick was talking before you hopped on, like, what is the lesson to be learning from the Carolina Hurricanes? It's kind of like know your roll and shut your mouth, as the Rock once said. Like all of these guys kind of know where to fit on the.

this team and they just play their role. Like, that's got to be one of the secrets of their success. Is egos checked at the door and you just do what you need to do for them to win. I think the most fun is looking at this roster and getting everybody's little story, right? So Carolina, everybody thought, right,

for Carolina to go to the next step to finally win, they got to get a, like, we lost out in Gensel. We lost out in Renton and, wait a second, we're bringing in Eelers. Like, this is a Winnipeg team that is recently disappointed they're supposed to, like, it's almost as if he's trans, like, transferring from one disappointment to another environment where, well, why you bring him out here?

And instead, he, like, emerges as a key piece for this team on a third line. And then you go to Stancoven. Like, the storyline with Stancovin for me was, I live here. The number of people that texted me, like, I had the inn and I'm sitting there with Tolski knowing what's going on. Like, on the surface, you look like you lost at Randen. But the truth is, as time goes on, what you may realize is Stankhoven, was a better piece and a better fit for this team, the Narentnan would have been.

Yes, he has an amazing skill set. And people are going to come to me and say, like, you're high saying that about Rennon. No, if you looked about, look at the philosophy of this team about the greater good, you have to fit. The foundation before they came into the playoffs was set. And that is why this team,

when approached with adversity, was already ready to answer the bell. You got punted in game one against Montreal. You leaned on the fact that you had a bunch of time off, and you came back and basically, stomped them in the next few games. You just had to find yourself. And it's the collection of players that fit.

And you didn't, okay, again, your top line of Aho, Semenikov, and Jarvis. I'm not saying non-existent, but again, another group of players who are not consmithworthy, right? And so what did you have to fall back on? Your depth. You had to fall back on your system. You had to fall back on experience.

And guys that knew that, okay, you're going to move some energy you got up. You're going to move Martinik up to the top line, move Jarvis down. And all of a sudden, it manifests, and there's something that is a catalyst for them. All these pieces, everybody knows the role and will accept it. And if you have guys in the team, and this is where I go, maybe Randen want to play a different style, maybe Gensel might want to play a different style, you have 12 guys understand exactly what our collective intent is here.

You're going to be successful. So I'm glad you got us there. So with Stan Kov, and I want to take this into a conversation about Eric Tulski here, as you well know, there would have been a lot of general manager. who said, okay, it's not working out. We're going to double down here. We're going to try to force this thing to work with Rantinan and Carolina. Instead, and Tulski heard it from every corner.

Tulski is an idiot. Should have known, should have got insurers. They was going to sign long term. What a stupid move. Rookie general manager. Oh, dummy analytics guy. We saw and heard all of it. He swallows his ego, makes a trade with the Dallas stars,

which to your point. A lot of people in Carolina, I'm just like, who is Logan Stankhoven? Right? People that know, know who Logan Stankovin is. You're trading the guy who's six, six, five? For this guy? We're getting smaller? Yeah, yeah.

Here's the thing about it. And there's, like, not only do you get Logan Stankovin. As part of all of that, you end up with Taylor Hall. You use one of the picks for K. Andre Miller. And here's the thing, you've won a Stanley Cup, and you still have a first round pick. Okay, remind me again, didn't Jane Kowski come of that? No, I think I don't think he was separate, but like, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but to your point, Aaron, though, like, and that all, by not paying Rantan, by not paying Gensel, by not paying, uh, Natchez, who you instead trade for Rantanin, now you've got the cap space to sign Eelers. So, like, you could say Eilers, Hall, Stankovin, Keandre Miller. All four guys just won a cup last night. All four, all four guys just won a cup last night. All four.

four guys were the fruits of the Rantin and Dosey dough. Jane Kowski was for a fifth round pick in Nashville. A fifth. Okay, all right. It came in around, I think, around the same time last year, which he caught my eye right off the bat because all of a sudden he had something

and a trust from Roddy Brindamore that once you establish that, you're going to get used and put an ideal position. So going back exactly to what you're talking about. And analytics. It's again why I keep preaching the 50-50 eye test versus numbers. and if you believe something to be true based on analytics, look at the eye test.

And if the eye test is something you believe, go see if the numbers support it. This is where I think the Carolina Hurricanes have evolved. I work in the analytics world with SMT and the player in puck tracking technology. I was at an analytics conference in Colorado, the Halo conference, and for some reason I got a lot of questions about the Carolina hurricanes, even though I'm not employed by them. And they talked about systems and analytics. And one of the kind of the main themes that emerged was they were all sure.

shocked at how amazingly constructed the team is in terms of fit, complementary pieces. Like, when to know when to put Jackson Blake in the National Hockey League on a line with Taylor Hall and Stankhoven. And where in there lies a success because you've got a creativity. And Hall almost kind of changed. He almost, Eisenman, let me, I'll clarify this. Eisenman like changes his game. Remember in Eisenman, 97 I was there and he became a well-rounded player. Paul had to be the prick on that line, right?

So you think about the Ottawa series, he garnered a lot of attention. His physicality and his impact in that end was something they've missed so, so sorely for a very long time. And there he is. And so that guy kind of from a veteran standpoint conceptually understood it. He grasped it and he implemented it. And he was such a valuable component. The Jordan Stahl, right? So how everything fits.

This was like an evolution and a project. that Carolina was patient with and put together. The funniest thing, too, for me is the departure of the Carolina Hurricanes, this is going to be lost in all of this. The trade of the trade deadline, last one, Deloree. Right? Everybody's like, why the hell do we pick that guy up? One game. And I didn't think he was going to play in the playoffs.

And he shows up in Ottawa. And do you see the confidence your team plays with all of a sudden? Like, oh, you want to start this? I'll introduce you to this guy. Have some fun with it. And they played a level of confidence that if it's ever needed, it's there. Here's what I really do wonder about. Because go back one year, we were talking about how the Florida Panthers bullied the Carolina hurricanes.

I can still remember watching Kachuk and Aho go back to the bench. And there was one mic pick up where Kachuk's essentially saying, I'm going to do this all series long and you're not going to do a thing about it. You're going to do nothing. And none of these guys are going to do anything. And you know what? Coach was right. Carolina did nothing about it.

Nothing. This year, because I'm glad, I'm glad you mentioned the Nick DeLoree pickup at deadline. This year was the one, and we saw us with Taylor Hall and how he initiated contact all the time. And Walker, again,

with the hit on Carlson and other hits as well, the Ottawa series. He was a beast. It was like they learned the lesson from Florida that don't wait for it. Like, go and get it. And did you see who one of the first players

they gave the, Cup 2 was last night. Nick Delore. They couldn't wait to give the cup to Nick Deloree last night. And people are going to hit on us talking about this. You don't know the value of the mental state of a team at this stage of the season. If you realize in the moment it's too late and you're missing something, that sits in your mind, the belief. But all of a sudden, if you know, hey, there's one bullet in the chamber, we don't, it's there.

We never have to shoot it. But if you want to play that game, and here's the truth about that Florida series. which happened differently this year. If someone wanted to beat the Carolina Hurricanes and felt like they could, they would have gone back to the series last year and figured out that Eckblad and Jones basically egregiously picked every single time the puck went in the zone. They couldn't get there to initiate any level of forecheck or adversity.

And this year, Carolina had, I mean, when Montreal started to do it, Roddy talked about after game two, oh, we've made one tweak. We made a tactical change. I'm not sure what the tactical change was, but I did notice that offensive zone time increased for Carolina hurricanes. They were more adaptive based on what they learned from Florida last year, as opposed to this year. You went, what is it, 16 and 3 in the playoffs.

That's ridiculous. And your two losses came in the final round. You just trucked through the east. That says a lot about the reputation, the abilities, and the character of this team and how they got this done. Yeah, and your other loss came after the longest layoff between two rounds and 107 years. Like, you know, your clock was a little off on that game. First of all, it's okay you bought up Nick DeLore, you know what podcast you're on,

you know that we're the podcast where people punching faces is something we talk about occasionally. Secondly, you brought up Tulski before, and so I wrote my big essay at the end of the Stanley Cup final this year was the delightfully titled The Jock the Nerd and the Stanley Cup because they truly are hockey's odd couple. Like Rod the Bod, 35 year NHLIFR and the guy who when you guys won the cup in 06

was a nanotech scientist in Washington State. Like it is unbelievable how well they worked together to kind of craft this championship. And I think a lot of it like you said before is, and Rod's spoken about this, Eric's willingness

to think about, consider, ask questions about Rod's experiences, what he sees. It's not simply just relying on a spreadsheet, but getting to really understand sort of the essence of what it takes to win in this league beyond the numbers. It's an amazing partnership, and it resulted in the winning. I got a great story for you. My introduction of Eric Tulski, so I work with Andrew Thomas, Dr. Andrew Thomas. He's leading up our analytics group at SMT. Shane Kelly is our project and product manager. So the three of us go in to present the analytics platform to Tulski.

And for 45 minutes, not a single response, not a word. And I'm just, at this point, I'm turning beat red and I'm sweating. And this is like our first president. I'm like, this is supposed to be good. These guys are analytics people, not a single word. And I walk out of there. And I'm demoralized. And they're like, what's wrong?

I'm like, he didn't say a damn word. Not a friggin word. He goes, that's good. He goes, why? Because he goes, because if he had something to say, and he had. questions he's picking it apart and he doesn't believe in it and i'm like what they're like the fact that he was silent he was absorbing he's intaking he's like an observer and that's how his mind works yeah and that for me is i think again over time patience the coming together of roddy's mentality

tulski's mentality's where i talked to you about the idea of the 50-50 you got a guy who played the game and has a has a feel for the environment what he sees what he feels attention in the room and you have a guy that is a hockey guy that's a tire with still treads on it, right? We're not recycling the same old ideas. We're not put it on and putting a guy in there that had past success, but the tread is worn off and only under ideal situations when you get traction. This guy, under adversity, under problems like, you know, the natures and the rantanans, he finds unique ways to resolve the issue. And that's the amazing part about having a guy that thinks outside the box. He might be a little different, not prototypical, what the hockey environment may,

I mean, listen, I'm around here. I hear all the jokes about, you know, all the patents and no cups. Well, guess what? That joke's over. They got a cut. It's 100%. You know, I've always sort of made the joke that, like, Eric Tulski is supposed to be the smartest guy on the planet,

but how smart is a guy that chose the job that pays the worst out of all the things that he could have chosen to do? And he's chosen this because I think that, like, honestly, Aaron, I think that he looks at I think that he looks at hockey like it is a big puzzle and it's also a challenge so I've been

using this example Greg's heard me say it before if I told you there was a team in the NHL that let go of Brett Pesci and Brady Shea and Dougie Hamilton and Brent Burns and Demetri O'Lov you'd probably say well I bet their defense sucks now they might have the best defense

in the NHL and I think it's because what Tulski does is to your point at your meeting, like he'll sit and he'll think and he'll say, okay, someone's leaving now this is my turn to do my job. There's been a lot of general managers that we've seen say like, oh, we can't let, we can't let Peschi walk because then we're going to have to find another pesh. So we're just going to resign him. But Tulski looks at it like it's my challenge as a general manager now to go find someone that's going to fill that spot, who's going to take right. And also, who's going to take Oloff's like that's how he looks at it. He embraces, what

he does, just to be blunt, he embraces the job of being a general manager, which shouldn't be a baffling concept. And working with the hand you are dealt with your head coach. Here's how your head coach wants to play. All right. Take that into your philosophical approach to

how you want to construct your team and understand I heard you guys talking about, here's the conditioning, here's the style of play, here's the willingness, here's the character, here's the past. And do all those things fit? And I'm not worried Pesci walks or Hamilton walks and who in our Eastern Conference might sign them and how it might come back to bite us. I'm focused on our team. I'm going to minimize the noise around me. The great part about Carolina is like this, we are the most biased hockey environment in existence.

I mean, Toronto might be up there with us, but Carolina, like, it's just us and there's 31 other teams. We don't really care about them. We're just focused, unifocused on the Carolina hurricanes. and they are so systematic and what's the word I'm looking for? Like so, like, I don't even know, like they already know before they make the move where they plan to go. They have a system of the plan and they follow the plan. And there's no need you're trying to satisfy this reporter who's criticizing you or this part of the fan base that hates this part of you. Everybody's on board and pulling in the same direction. And to your point though, Aaron, like look across the ice last night at Vegas, who I know we're going to talk about in a second. Like everything Carolina does is with purpose and with the purpose of trying to fit the system their coach coaches.

Vegas goes shopping for the shiny toy. Like, is there a reality in the world where Thomas Hurtle should have been a great fit for a Bruce Cassidy team or a John Torto'Orella team? no, but he was available and he was a name and they could get him. And so I think Kelly, like, Kelly's on a shopping Kelly's on supermarket sweep. He's just throwing stuff in a shopping cart. And I'm not sure

Are you trying to tell me something like firing a coach with eight games left might be like a I don't know. I'm trying to I'm trying to tell you that the handshake deal that Rasmus Anderson has with Kelly McCrimman should have been ink on a contract because I think he's going to get shot

into the sun. Like, like They go out and get all the guys that are available, but I don't always think it's not with the purpose of an Eric Tolski. It's not with a purpose of the Carolina Hurricanes, where all these pieces, like we talked about, fit so snugly into what Rod's trying to do. And then you look at Vegas, and it's just like, it's a bunch of guys with names that we know,

but they all don't fit together like they should. All right. So Vegas has a boldness and a brashness to both their team and their approach and their management style and their ownership. Carolina is highly secretive, quiet, likes to do things under, like leaking out doesn't really happen that very often with the Carolina Hurricane. So yeah, the polarity of these two teams is not lost on me, especially, I mean, you got torts who cost them a second rounder, still wants to stir it up in the middle of the Stanley Cup plate. Like for me, if I'm ideally put into situation like this, I'm embracing it.

I'm trying to create fewer distractions to my teams. Less questions like, hey, for guys, I know you're in the second or third round of the playoffs, you're trying to win the Stanley Cup. But how do you feel about your team losing the second round, or your coach being fired a fine to $100,000? Like all these things would never kind of, you can't transplant these distractions and put them in this environment currently in Raleigh, North Carolina. It wouldn't happen.

Got a couple of moments left with you here. I do want to get, because it is one of my favorite stories. I was just telling them this story to Alan May. not too long ago. One of my favorite hockey night in Canada Stanley Cup memories ever

is you. And at the, yes, and you know where I'm going with this one, I think too, Wardo. So at the end of,

like in the final game, they have all these pre-shot pieces of all the members of the winning team. And in this case was Carolina. And what they're asking

the players is who is your favorite player growing up? So there's a lot of like Lemieux, Yager, like a lot of like, Gretzky,

and Aaron Ward out of nowhere Bob McGill and we all went I remember watching I love Big Daddy he's a wonderful guy awesome dude

you just won the Stanley Cup and Aaron Ward your favorite hockey player Bob McGill and I'm like did I just hear that and then I found out the story and it's absolutely beautiful

like when I was in Penticton Okanagan I'm telling this story to whoever will listen can you tell you tell the story of why you said on Hockey Night in Canada when asked your favorite hockey player, you said Bob McGill. He taught me humanity at like age nine. Like he taught me that an athlete could have a relatability and a level of empathy for not just

his teammates, but people in the sport and anybody else. So I'm out in Penticton, B.C. at the Okanagan Hockey School. The big name out there is Annie Mogue. Any Mogue is kind of the headline player. and I go out all the way from Ottawa. Yeah, I'm out there from Ottawa. I'm with one of my coaches and one of my friends. We go there and we're there for two weeks.

And this is the first time. My parents couldn't get me to go to sleepway camp. They couldn't bribe me. So I'm going to this camp and I've never been away from home. And the level of fear that I had at 9 when I got there and the disdain for being here and homesickness, like it was on steroids. And it was Bob McGill who in the moment looked at me and could see like something was up.

And he took time. It's this whole movement we're talking about now on check on your teammates. But this is about a nine-year-old. And he says, you're right. And so I just decided I spilled the beans. And I said, I'm homesick. I'm just, I don't want to be here. And he sat down with me for probably 30 minutes and just talked to me.

And he made me completely forget that I was away from home. He made me embrace the idea that I was there at a hockey camp to get better to have fun, open my eyes to the opportunity of making some friends, enjoying the game. All of it. And his 30 minutes of just sitting down and being normal with a kid, it basically was ingrained in me that I want that to be me when I get older. If I ever, I mean, I don't know if I'm successful at that point, but if I was ever going to be somebody,

I was going to be Bob McGill. And I was not going to be the guy that walked by someone who maybe needed a pat in the back, a hug or encouragement in the moment. So I always cared of me that Bob McGill was my guy. And so as we grew up, finally, Leif's gone on Global. to watch them more. I got to watch Big Daddy. It was a big thrill. Like, I only watched Bob McGill. There was a lot of

bigger name players there, but I was watching Bob McGill play. And my biggest thrill is I got to play against Bobby in an exhibition game. I think it was in 93. I think it was in Chicago. And I was in Detroit and I was a rookie and I got to play against them. But I told Bob eventually.

I let that go in 97, 98. I was telling him. But, yeah, Bob McGill is what, for me, anybody in the environment on a hockey should represent. We're a collective group which should be for the greater good. And what an amazing human is. He's a great human being.

I love him. Great human being. That is a beautiful, beautiful story. He's well known up here, placed in the Quirtha. He's on Jack's Lake. It's like he's just the night. Checks in all the time, a great great thing. I tell all these nice things about him, but I haven't gotten an invite to his cottage.

Bobby, I'm, it's kind of hot down here in Raleigh. Talk to him. Corey Stilman. They're all up there. You know that whole, that whole set up. up there. There's another Stanley Cup champion from your team, Corey Stelman, who I still think should have won the Kahneman, but that's for another discussion. Damn. Aaron, thanks so much. It's not a hot take. He should have won. He was fantastic.

Thanks so much, as always, pal. He spent a lot of time with us today. Really appreciate it. Great stories. Thanks for having me. Stanley Cup champion 2006 Carolina Hurricanes. Actually, the answer you were looking for was Chris Pronger should have won the consmite that year more than anybody on the Carolina Hurricanes. Speaking of which, let me see this Because I think I got to run to the airport in a second But like There's a lot of grave dancing going on with Mitch Marner right now

Because he didn't really produce in the last few games of the series A lot of oh, the minute he plays an Eastern Conference team Look what happens to him Yeah Come on guys, come on Like he led the playoffs and scoring He had a natural hat trick in the Stanley Cup final.

Let it go. I know that we're, I know that it's fun, and I know that it's cool, and I know it's a bunch of Leaf fans who have been taking out on the chin for three rounds, now all of a sudden being like, what of Marner? Eat your shit sandwich for praising this man.

I still had him third on my ballot for the cons, he had a great playoff. His center, you know, was injured in game five, in the first period of game five. That's going to probably affect his effectiveness. I don't disagree that it wasn't the greatest last couple games of the series for Mitch Marner. But this man is Teflon in these playoffs. If you're going to take a run at Marner after the playoff he had.

No way. You're just being petulant. You're just being a petulant little Leafs fan who in this heart of hearts knows that he would never have done this in Toronto. And he had a great playoff. And lay off Mitchie. He's not the reason this happened. Now, Michael's the reason it happened. go go check the stats on how many goals Marner I'm sorry Ikel has in like his last 35

playoff games and I know he was close with a bunch of posts and pipes and things of that nature and I know that he creates a lot of offense through assists to linemates but as far as put the puck in the net in the playoffs if Ikel had these numbers and his name was Mitch Marner and he was in Toronto they'd be coming after him with torches so leave Mitch alone. It's not his fault. Leave Mitch alone. But you got to get to the airport. So you say goodbye to those lovely drapes behind you.

And we will talk to you. I don't know. You're back at some point this week. But safe travels home. I'll be back on Thursday, normal spot. And again, thanks to everybody for consuming the content. It was a really, really fun playoff, long run, wrote some good stuff, did some great stuff with you.

We'll talk on Thursday. And then by that time, I'll be ready to talk about the offseason. Like someone was asking me out Gavin McKenna last night. I'm just like, shut up. I cannot do it right now. I need to go to a coma for like two days. Yeah, exactly. I get it.

All right. Safe travels home. There is. Greg Weschenski, ESPN and ESPN.com. With that, we get to the play-by-play voice of the Carolina Hurricanes. Mike Manscalco, who joins me now to talk about the Stanley Cup champion hurricanes. Mike, first of all, thanks so much for stopping by. Thanks for being patient.

I wanted to make sure that Aaron Ward got in that beautiful story about Bob Miguel and Okinawaghan Hockey, and that's such a beautiful thing. But let's open up this one with you here. What is the lesson of the Carolina Hurricanes? Every year, it's like, okay, a team wins a Stanley Cup, and it's like, okay, so what are these other teams going to try to emulate? How are they going to be successful? What's from your point of view? And you know this team a lot better than us.

You're right there with it. What is the lesson of the Carolina Hurricanes? That if you put in the work and believe in, and what you're doing, it pays off. And I know that's Hokie, Jeff. I really do. But, you know, this is a team that when, when Rod Brindamore took over as a head coach eight years ago, when people were talking about, you know, the word culture gets thrown around a lot.

He was talking about a work ethic in a standard of how you have to play and carry yourself. And, you know, Aaron was talking about, you know, Bob McGill. And, you know, it's caring about others and putting that kind of feeling in the room. And that's what this team is. if you look at how this team acts off of the ice and interacts with each other, they're close. You know, there's that, and again, you don't have to love everybody in order to win, but it certainly helps when you're willing to, you know, all right, for this guy, I'm going to lay down in front of the shot, or I'm going to do this, or, you know,

I don't feel great today, but I'm going to find a B game to get to. And the lesson for, for I think everybody who's out there is, you know, just because you don't win the whole thing doesn't mean that you're not doing good things in building your way to getting that way. And, you know, honestly, for this run for the eight years, you got to take a look at the teams that knocked Carolina out of the playoffs, Jeff, they went to the Stanley Cup final, right? Or they went to the conference final.

It's not like they were getting beat in the first round. So for me, that's the lesson, that if you stick with it and you believe in what you're doing, it pays off. And this group, I hate using the word deserved. I really do. This group deserve to win the Stanley Cup. You know, it's an interesting, and I don't, listen, you go 16 and 3, like, you leave no doubt, right? Like, there wasn't like one of those, like, oh, half a puck here, half a puck there, and they could have been out in the second round.

Like, no. Like, it was convincing, like, all the way through the Eastern Conference and the Stanley Cup final. And it seemed as if, like, did it feel this way to you, Mike? I really felt that game four things changed for the Carolina Hurricanes. And you saw it right through the game where it felt like the Carolina Hurricanes really figured out how to play against Vegas. And you saw the confidence build and grow all throughout that game. And it was almost as if the Carolina Hurricane said, okay, now we got it.

You know, I was speaking to T.J. O'Shee this morning on the Hockey Lifeers podcast. And we're talking about playing Vegas. And he said when the Caps won the Stanley Cup, he said he knew in game one that they were going to win because he felt that they were already in the process of breaking. Guys were already yelling at each other. Guys had their head down on face-offs. Guys would come to the bench and slouch. He's like, he would go back to the bench and say, guys, we've already broken them. And it seemed like in this series, Carolina started to break Vegas in game four. Do you see it the same way?

Close. I want to rewind it about a period or so back. I think it started to happen in the third period in game three when they came back when they were down four nothing and they scored three goals in 39 seconds and Vegas is thinking Vegas is thinking this game is over we're on easy street we're going to cruise to game number four and all of a sudden they're like what the hell we have to put we got to keep playing and then it goes to overtime and you know I think the one thing and I always joke I owe Justin Williams a dollar every time I say this um and it's so I think I owe him about a million dollars but he talked about in a playoff series you have to let the opponent know how hard it is to beat you.

And then you just got a way on them. And you wait until one of their legs gives out. And I think that when the Keynes came back with four goals in the third period, remember it was the Mitch Marner show in the second period. I mean, it was- Four records. Four records that game. Four records.

Unreal. I mean, we're doing stuff like, you know, Wayne Gretzky hasn't done. That's what you're talking about amazing things. And I just go back to that. And I think in that third period, where Carolina, you know, other teams could have just said, you know what, screw it, save the energy, we're going to move on to game four.

We'll scrap it. No, they just kept, they kept coming after him. And I can use one of my favorite lines. I've got all the lines for you right now, Jeff. That's cool. Go for it. Today's a day. In Rocky 2, when Apollo's manager tells him he doesn't want him to fight Rocky in the

second fight. And all I have in my head is that line of, I've seen you beat this man. Like, no man has been beaten before. he kept coming after you. And that's what Carolina does. They just, they keep coming after you. So I think the seeds of doubt were planted in that third period in game number three. And it was a good, a good win for Vegas to get the win.

I think if they would have lost in overtime giving up a four-go-old lead. I don't know if we get to a game six. But I think that's where it started. And then game four was where Carolina played Carolina hockey all the way through for 60 minutes. And like, this is how hard it's going to be to win this series if you're Vegas. You know, it's, it's, I want to get ahead of ourselves here. And I will circle back to what we saw last night. But I want to make sure I got one thing in here.

And that is what's next for the Carolina Hurricanes? And it's pretty easy to look at this roster and go like, they're going to run it back. Right? Like they're going to run this thing back. And then I come back to this idea. Like, listen Glenn Sayley would talk about this with the Oilers in the 80s when they were like the best team in the universe. And he would say like every year you have to change 10 to 15 percent. to keep it fresh.

And we always talk so much about rings in the room, right? Rings in the room. You got to have rings in the room if you're going to win. Carolina's got a lot of rings in the room now. A lot of rings in the room. And how do you keep it fresh?

Is bringing in guys that don't have rings. I've heard this from so many players that have won with the team that you need to have a mix of guys that have won once you've won the Stanley Cup and also younger players that haven't. Just in order to have like that fresh inspiration for, you know what,

this guy's never won it. That's why he's working like this. So whether it's like Bradley Nadeau or whomever, like do you see Carolina making many changes? Because one of the things that we've learned about Eric Tulski is, and this is the lesson I think of the salary cap. And that is if you have a chance to improve your team, Mike, even if it's just slightly in a salary cap rule,

you have to do it. A lot of GMs don't. But Tulski is one of those guys that it's like, if I can improve this team, It doesn't matter. I'm going to improve this team. Yeah, I mean, his motto is he hasn't done his job until the 20 players who they dress are the best 20 players in the national hockey league. So I wouldn't say the word many, but I think if you've learned anything from what this group is done with Eric is the general manager, they'll take big swings.

They'll try to make the ad that's out there to make them better. And it's the margins now. And I'm glad that you brought up a player like Bradley Nadeau. They've got young guys now in Chicago who, you know, they're trying to win the Calder Cup, which would be amazing if they could to do the double. But they've got young guys who are hungry who are pushing the guys in the NHL for spots. And yeah, I just don't think that they're ever satisfied. And, you know, we'll see how this offseason is going to play out.

But I can assure you that this group isn't just going to sit on their hands and party all summer, at least in the front office. They're going to be looking at ways to, how can we, okay, how can we add to this team? What can we do? What was missing that could make us even more of a machine than what we were for this season? How long do you think Tomash Hurdle will have nightmares about Bussie? Oh, until he wins another Stanley Cup, right? Isn't that going to be the only way you exercise those demons?

Holy geez. What a performance. Like, what a great story. Like, I'll tell you. I've been saying this all last night and all today for anyone who will listen to me. I always say to myself, it's not going to happen to me in the Stanley. Cup final. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to fall for it. And that's the cutaway shot to the parents and the wife. And I'm always like, nope, I got a

heart in my heart and I've seen it a million times. And yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the same thing every year. But when I saw the cutaways to Bussie's folks and his wife as well, I just live in every single emotion that every family member feels when the puck enters the goaltender zone. I fell for it again. Hookland sinker. Mom's crying. Dad's got a tear. Wife's going crazy. Do you have a thought on the Bussie story? Um, yeah, it's, you try to sell this to Hollywood and they're like, no, we don't make scripts like this anymore. that's that's the story uh his family is is so nice and uh you know for him i think the one thing that we take for granted is he was 27 years old chep so um he wasn't he wasn't a young guy and he

wasn't starstruck by the moment like he put in his time he put in his time in providence and you know he won down there he basically if you take a look he he won everywhere that he was at like regular season wins and then what he did this year uh to backstop this team with 31 wins wins in the regular season. And how many guys do you know can sit for 54 days? And then like, okay, we're going to put you in the Stanley Cup and go win it for us. I do think, and that's the other part when you talk about when the series changed, when Brandon Bussie came in in that third period in game number three. And I thought it was genius of Paul Schaenfelder, the goaltending coach and Robbrennimore, too, don't yank Freddie in the middle of a period. You start the period with

Brandon and give him a chance to get accustomed to it. But everything for him is a learning experience wins and losses and, you know, bus trips and plane rides. It's he just, he just soaks it all in. And he transfers it to the ice. He's got this great demeanor. And his dad, it's funny, is last night, his parents come up to me on the ice. And his dad is like, I need to meet Trip Tracy because I want to talk goaltending with trip.

And, you know, that's, I think, I think that sums it out perfectly, Jeff. And much like, much like Greg, I have to catch a bus to get to a plane. So they will leave me here. They will leave me here in Vegas. I got time for one more. Okay, one more quick one here. I want to ask about this. I have a soft spot in my heart for players that go down to play in the ECHL and make their way back up.

We just talked about Bussie. I also have a sauce to my heart for guys that play junior sea hockey in Ontario. And I think of Sean Walker, who as I grabbed the sheet last night at the end of the game, 23 minutes and 50 seconds leads all Carolina hurricanes and ice time, playing at Bowling Green, didn't have a contract. I think he met his agent at a funeral who knew, Rob Blake, the Los Angeles Kings, a flyer there.

Next thing you know, he's with the Hurricanes, and now he's a Stanley Cup champion. Before you get to the bus, a quick thought on Walker. Most unsung member of this team. And I'll go back to the start of this season when Jacob Slavin plays two games and then he misses a good majority of it.

He only played 40 games this year. Sean Walker went from playing about 17 minutes a night last year for Carolina to about 21, 22 minutes a night. He's physical. He blocks shots. He's quiet. He doesn't complain about his job. He's a great skater.

And again, I can put Jalen Chatfield in that box, too, Jeff, if you want great stories. Waivers. Waivers. Yeah. Waivers. Of guys who had to earn it. And you talked about, you know, young guys, hungry guys to win. I think the teams need to have guys who had to fight to get to the NHL.

That it wasn't, they were the number one pick in the OHL. They were the top recruit. You have guys in that locker room who do not take being an NHL player for granted for one second. And Sean Walker, I could have easily said for the regular season, the points weren't there, but he could have been in the MVP candidacy for the team just because of the minutes and how he plays. And he plays every night and he's available. And he's just a hell of a hockey player. And you saw in this series, you know, Will Carrier gets big hits.

But Sean Walker, when he hits and when he's physical on that back end, he was a difference maker in this series. He was. Listen, tell Mike Sunheim, I apologize for keeping you long, if that's, That's who's getting you to the bus here. You be good. Safe travels. And listen, always, always great catching up. And congratulations to you in the entire Carolina Hurricanes organization.

Same, Jeff. Appreciate it. And let me know when I can really start enjoying this because this is all surreal right now with what's going on. And I'm working on about nine minutes of sleep, which is fun too. That's about nine minutes more than you probably should have. What's wrong with you? Come on. Let's go.

Endurance test. Okay, but always appreciate it. Thanks so much for doing this. really appreciate this one. Congratulations. You got it. Thanks, yeah. There is, Mike Manuscalico is the play-by-play voice of the Carolina Hurricanes.

Going on nine minutes of sleep out of boy. At that point, like, why would you even take the nine? Why would you even, exactly, like, at this point, just like, you know, just say I'm going to go for it and I'm going to power through. I'm just going to power right through. How many times is this going to happen to you? Yeah. Well, let's say, anybody I was asking to come on the show today who is out there, I was like, If they're involved with Carolina, there's a chance these people are just going to tell me,

like, I can't make it politely, not for me today. And Mike's like, yep, I'm in, I'll do it. I'm like, all right. Okay, thank you. So the last time, hang on, let me grab it here. So the last text that I got from someone there with the hurricanes was 507 a.m. You send your text there. The last one was 507.

I got one at 630. Not bad. Not bad. So God's flashlight is coming on at that point. Here comes God's flashlight. Okay, let's have a look who's still up here. Oh, look at you. Oh, you're still.

I looked and I was like, okay. Wow. What a night. Honestly, fair enough, though. I feel the same way like every year. Like there's a lot of players on every single team. Like if Vegas would have won the Stanley Cup, there's a bunch of people there that would have been happy for too.

right like it's the wonderful thing about being a sort of team neutral person and like I'm happy for the hurricanes I'm really happy that they won I'm happy for like a lot of people that I really cheer for just like in Vegas there's a lot of people in that Vegas school the Knights organization that I really cheer for and I really want to do well for me it's the best way to watch hockey and I know it's not for everybody I get it like I know that you're I get I understand that I understand that staying with you with that team. So I understand. I just find that, and I've been this way since probably, I don't know, some point in my late 20s, early 30s, probably. I just find it a really fun way to watch hockey. I just cheer for people. There's a lot of really good people that are really happy for

with that Carolina hurricane scene, but I would have felt the same way for a lot of people at Vegas. Yeah, I think that's completely fair. I get what you're saying. I obviously have no. Allegiances to a team. But the thing is, like, I will never know what it feels like to have that, like, my team won the Stanley Cup. I will never, I understand.

That's the tradeoff that I make. Like, that's the Faustian bargain that I make. I will never have that. I also may never know that either. Well, you may never know. Trust me. Like, what's the line? They haven't won it in color yet.

They only won the Stanley Cup in black and white. Yeah, list them off. There's a million of them. Yep. I know. Since a drunk, Clarence Campbell came out, wheeled out the Stanley Cup, but they're drinking Harvey Wallbangers all day. What did you make of this?

What did you make of the last game? What did you make of last night? That was Carolina putting their foot on Vegas's throats and saying that's it. Like, this is our game. Yep. Then you can try as you will, but if it's not getting through the forwards we have here from lines one to four, then you're going to have to get through the defense.

and if you can't get through them, then you're going to have to get through Brandon Bussie, who was out of his mind again last night. He had some help. You know, a little crossbar action. I think he's probably giving that thing a kiss.

So shots that went high? Well, don't even count a shot. This I'm talking like a goalie here. Oh, you want to stop the shots to go wide now too. Oh, okay. Right.

He, I mean, I guess to that point, then he had some help from Jack Eichel who missed the net, says if you want to put it that way. That crossbar, man. It was just a complete team.

team effort. And the other thing I noticed, by the way, Jeff, last night in that game was through the lineup, how committed everybody was to playing the exact same way, which I know is just like a very obvious statement of that Carolina Hurricanes team. But last night, by the time they got to the second period, it was pucks in the zone, advance it off the wall, nothing goes to the middle, out into the neutral zone. By the time we get to the neutral zone, we cross the line, we put this thing into Vegas's zone and then we forecheck like hell and you make their lives hard you didn't always come up with the puck but it was exhausting for Vegas that entire time the second they got into Carolina zone it just turned back around back to their own and they're like we got to go get this

thing again and we got to bring it back again and it was the entire game from lines one through four It was one of the more impressive games I've seen from a team all the way through in a playoff game, let alone Stanley Cup final. You know what I see when I watch the Carolina Hurricanes play? Bad, bad information. That team is better than any team in the NHL player to player at giving out bad information. So, and you look at, I'll take a player like Shane Gossis Bear. for example on the power play how many times did we see gossus bear make that pass to set jarvis on the left side for the for the one-timer and it's the same thing every time right

before he makes that pass it's a fake shot like everything has an element of deception about it before the play is actually made whether it's the passing or the shooting like here let me if you got two seconds so i was texting with a with an hl player last night about the first goal. Hang on, let me find it here. Here we go. About the fast goal, about the first goal, the Taylor Hall goal. And this is what this player sent me.

That low bottom hand and the recoil on the shot for that goal is all world. More about beating the goalie to his spot than creating Max power through the shot. Nasty look. See how the stick for Hall comes back to his body instead of where he'd get all lungy and over his right foot. It's like a pitcher when they, quote, pump the finish versus just throwing. There's a little wrist coil and then you pop into the puck. There's a little separation and click versus just a flex and whip it. The puck leaves the stick earlier.

It's just beating him to the spot. he doesn't like lean on it over his right leg and just use a stick for a whip I like the way he puts it there's a little click and the puck leaves a stick watch it again click yeah how many guys would just try to wire it yeah no that's a very good point I mean look I will also say uh not to take anything away from Taylor Hall it is Hill but also probably one Carter Hart should be having there not as bad as one of this Betchnikov goals, but I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

There was, there was, there was, there was, there was, there was room there. There was, when I saw them, like, oh, oh, are, are we in for like a long night here with, with Carter Hart? And he's going to make the, the skate of shame to the bench. Like, oh, man, are we going to see Aiden? Are we going to see Aiden Hill? I would love to have seen it just to hear Johnny Lazarus's question, John Totorella in the post game. Do you think you may have gone to Aden Hill earlier? By the way, can I just mention?

it's not hard to be a decent human being. So what Rod Brindamore did for Johnny Lazarus, I thought was a thing of beauty and was the thing of grace and shows how simple it is to be a decent human being to respect that you're not the only one doing a job here. I got a lot of time for John Totorella. I think at his heart, John Totorella is a really good person. But I really didn't like the way that he handled,

which I think was a very legitimate question by Johnny Lazarus. Like sometimes you've got to get out of your own head and understand this person is trying to do a job too. And they don't need your antics. Okay, I get it. And listen, Johnny turned it into something ultimately positive for him. Yeah. And the way that Rod Brindamore treated Lazarus at the next presser.

How simple it is to be a decent human. being. And I get, I have a summation of the series. Hang on. Hang on. I have a lot of time for him. I think that he,

what John Tortorella has, has gone through and everything, like his love of dogs, situation with his son serving, like all of it. I have a lot of time for John Totorella. That wasn't one of his finer moments with last. No,

definitely not. But I think it's also just kind of like a summation of what the series was in a lot of ways too. You guys outlined it throughout the course of the show today, whether it was Wardle bringing up or Wish talking about the construction, you guys talking about they go out and get the shiny toy, they get the best player available, they don't care, they pick up the superstar, you know, they'll cut you out from behind, they'll stab you in the back to get rid of you, it doesn't matter, they don't care, it's the ruthless pursuit of the Stanley Cup and torts, you know,

not doing the media avails, all that stuff, but like they're the big bad Vegas Golden Knights and on the other side, it's like this team who has been trying for years to get through and Rod, who they won't give up on. And, you know, like this nerd, I don't know, like that. It's not a nicer way to put it. I don't say that to meaning either. But like this little nerd who doesn't fit the hockey world and Eric Tulski, who's behind the operation in Carolina.

Look, man. And then it's just like a team. It's not just Tulski. There's other stories here too. You know, once upon a time, it was Tyler Delo from MC79 hockey, right? Like, when you look at, like, whether it's Tim Barnes or Sunny Mehta or Dennis King is another one, he used to write for MC 79 hockey, he's a scout with them now. Ellen Etchingham, to me, was one of the most brilliant hockey writers I ever read.

She had a blog called The Theory of Ice. I never missed one. Unfortunately, when she took the job scouting with the Carolina Hurricanes, she had to collapse the blog. I miss that like crazy. I wish I would have saved all of them. I think she's one of the most brilliant writers I've ever read. And she came to hockey late. Okay?

Like really, really late and came at it with like a genuine curiosity. And she scouts for the Carolina Hurricanes. Like what Tulski has done is put together a lot of both women and men from different walks of the hockey world and brought them all together, thinking that if everybody thinks the same, we're not going to get anywhere. Michael Franty always, he broke up one of his bands, the supposed heroes of hypocrisy, because when he said, the minute that everyone's chanting, no one's thinking.

So he said, the minute I hear chanting, I'm out. Brook up the band. The minute everyone's chanting, no one's thinking. And what Tolski has done is put a bunch of thinkers around him from different walks of life. There's plenty of traditional hockey guys that are around there too, but it's a chorus of other people at the same time. And what it does is it allows the best ideas to rise quickly and disperse efficiently.

And I think if there is one lesson from the Carolina Hurricanes, it's that. Different voices around the table from unlikely places. You don't all have to come from one single place. was one single way of thinking. It's a lot. The irony of all of it is. A lot of them came from the Edmonton blogosphere.

The irony of it is a lot of them actually came from a very similar place. They all came from, but there was this like hot house of different ways of thinking and measuring the game too. Tulski himself. Anyhow. We got a couple of things here. I still want to get to.

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Carolina Hurricanes are Stanley Cup champions. You know one of the things that I wonder about is I brought off a sort of list of different thinking people in the Carolina Hurricanes organization, much like we're seeing with the Florida Panthers right now, who most recently won the Stanley Cup the last two seasons, at what point do other teams come for their personnel? Now, the Nashville Predators, during their general manager search,

asked the Carolina Hurricanes to speak to Eric Tulski. was denied. But at what point, the people around the NHL start saying, what's going on there in Carolina? And should we look to bring some of their people in here? Whether it's managers, scouts, whomever. Scouts? How do they, scouts?

It's not like, Ritchie Dunl. Scouts. At what point does the rest of the NHL say, We need some of that over here. We need some of that thinking over here. Sunny Meta just ended up in New Jersey. Right? Like he was absolutely crucial to the success of the Florida Panthers.

You know, there's a lot of other Florida Panthers, you know, front office people that you continue to hear, you know, interviewing for jobs. Because people recognize, like, what they were able to put together. So let's get us some of that. I wonder if they start to do the same thing with the Carolina hurricanes. Would only make sense. It only makes sense. Yeah, I got to imagine that's going to start happening here pretty quickly.

Yeah, I think that this is, you just saw pieces of it, like what you just pointed out with Sunny Meda and what's happening with the Florida Panthers, and you see different teams starting to look and be like, okay, maybe we should incorporate this more, maybe we should lean more heavily on that. And then you see a team that more or less is kind of the face, of it you know with it with Tolski being the GM of it it's totally the analytics team when people see that you know I remember when I'm like my first sense of when this was happening and this was a reality in the NHL for me personally I'm just speaking to my experience there's probably

before this but the copycat league was when the LA Kings had won and then everyone was like oh my God we need to be built like the LA Kings we need to be huge we need to beat the hell out of people like we need to do that. That was my first realization of like, oh wow, everyone just copies each other. That's what the NHL is. And I've learned every single year since then that that's not unique to that situation. That is how it works every time. Here's, you know how you win the Stanley Cup?

There's not one way you win the Stanley Cup. But there is one sort of constant through all of it and that is be healthy. Yeah. Be healthy. Be healthy. By the time you get to the end. Like, you know, Edmonton, you know, going to continue to knock themselves around. about losing to the Florida Panthers two years in a row.

But by the end, they were to look like they looked like extras from the thriller video. You know, it's like this guy's got, this guy's playing on one leg, this guy can't squeeze a stick. This guy's not available. This guy's got a concussion. You know, this guy's got like one foot in the coffin and one foot on a banana peel. Like all these different cliches. Like, yeah, it's like, and they're playing. But at the end of it, like, be healthy.

Like when Vegas beat the foot, what happened to your lights? You got to pay your bills. My light just turned it off there. It doesn't like you. The charger just fell out of it, so that's why. How? Hold on. How's a new place working out over there?

But you know what I mean? Like, there's no one way to do it. The Carolina way is not the Florida way, it's not the Vegas way, it's not the Tampa way, not the Colorado way to win the Stanley Cup. There's a lot of different ways to do it. And to the previous point, like Brett Peterson's going to continue to get interest.

Right? And Paul Kropelka is going to continue to get interest. I just wonder at what point do we start to see, again, whether it's managers or scouts, start to curry interest. Like, how do they do things over there? How do they do things in Carolina? We'll see.

But I also think that there's part of how do they do things and how can we change it? That's the teams need to be thinking. Like, not that we can, not looking at it and thinking, oh, this thing is flawed, but how can we take this and make this better? because that one for them, we can't do a copycat of that situation here. We need to evolve off of whatever it is that they're doing or we're doing because nobody should be looking at going and saying,

hey, we need to build like the 2026 Carolina Hurricanes. They should say we need to build like the 2026 Carolina Hurricanes and adapt and improve. The thing that I was getting to more so is the way that they think. Oh, yeah, for sure. Again, going back to everyone's chanting, no one's thinking.

If everyone's saying the same thing around the table, you got a bad table. If everybody agrees, you got a bad table. It's like Mike Pimball Clemmas would always talk about. If you're the smartest guy in a room, that's your fault. Yeah. If you're the smartest guy in the room, that's your fault. When everyone's chanting, no one's thinking.

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free of charge. You're doing odds on next year? Come on, man. What do you got? Oh, of course. Carolina. Listen, it's not like they're going to lose a bunch of guys other than by choice.

Although I am curious about Freddie Anderson. Like Bussie Kachetkoff feels like the tandem. I don't think. that Eric Tolski necessarily is one of those like, let's reward the guy that has been here for a long time and bring him back. It does very feel much like move this thing for it. I was really happy Freddie Anderson.

I think we all were. Got a Stanley Cup. It's been a challenging career sometimes with health for Freddie Anderson and then compound that this year with A, the injuries we found out, and also previously losing one of his friends and certainly agent in Claude Lemieux. So I think we were all feeling pretty good about Freddie Anderson when Jordan Stahl passed him the cup. That was a beautiful moment.

Avalanche, Tampa, Edmonton, Oilers will have an interesting offseason as well. Does that seem a little bit low for the Florida Panthers? We are already saying that we've come back from Niagara Falls with the Florida Panthers and the honeymoon is over? As I were saying here about the Florida Panthers. Yeah, I mean, I probably would have them higher up and just move Tampa down. I probably would move Edmonton down as well there myself and have Florida ahead of those two teams, but everyone else there, Minnesota, Colorado, Carolina, I think it's probably fair.

But, yeah, I mean, to your question. Yeah, I think in a way it is, the only thing or the big thing, I guess, here this summer will be what is happening with goaltending in Florida, because that's probably baked into the question and why they are where they are in your projections or Fandoz projections for next season's Stanley Cup winner right now, because we don't. don't know. Like we don't, quite frankly, we don't know. So that's part of the problem, I think, with predicting what happens with Florida. But otherwise, team-wise, I'd probably have them above those two teams I mentioned. Should be interesting. One thing we should mention as well, this men's

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But like anything stand out for you from this past season and congratulations of the Carolina Hurricanes. Yeah, I mean, kudos to you because I think you really opened my eyes up about injuries and how much they play a factor in the cup final and what happens as the series go on. That's it. Because I was always hesitant to agree with you in my head thinking, you know what, it all, it gets better as it goes along. That said, my one asterisk, I will put on your argument or me agreeing with your argument is this is probably being the most enjoyable Stanley Cup finals I've seen in a very, very long time. Could it have been better if people were healthier?

Agreed. Yes. So I will agree with you on that point. But this year's cup final was spectacular. Like this was appointment TV every single time it was on. You could not miss it. And I've had a blast covering it and being a part of it here on the show. So yeah, a lot of fun.

Yeah, that was a great Stanley Cup final. Again, to me, the two best that I saw were 87 with the Edmonton Oilers and the Philadelphia Flyers and 94, the Rangers and the Vancouver Canucks. Like those two are the bar for me. This one didn't pass those two, but it was the first one in a long time. that I've said, eh, we're getting close. We're getting close.

Well, you will need a game seven for it because both those were seven game series. But this one came close. This one did a real good swing at 87 and 94. We'll see. There's always next year. There's always next year.

I'm familiar with that statement. Oh, no, you've probably said that one a couple of different times, I want to see. Thanks to Mike Manuscalico for stopping why I play-by-play voice of the Carolina Hurricanes.

Thanks to Aaron Ward, Stanley Cup champion. with the Carolina Hurricanes in 2006, who, as we mentioned, cites Bob McGill and rightfully so, is his favorite hockey player of all time. Hope you can stick with us because, you know, we're keeping the feet hot. The show's not going anywhere, not for a while.

Anyhow, we still have a lot to get to, whether it's the draft, whether it's free agency, whether it's signings, whether it's trade drama. We do expect a particularly vibrant trade market this time around. So the show ain't going anywhere, even though the NHL season is over and congratulations once again to the Carolina Hurricanes, your 2026 Stanley Cup champions.

We're back tomorrow, 1 o'clock for the sheet right here on a daily face-off YouTube channel, and wherever you get your podcast. Hey, great job getting through all of it, both of this podcast and the season. Talk to your morning. Last night, every day this month. I can't get a car.