The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Center Ice Showdown ft. Pierre McGuire

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Jeff Marek is joined by Pierre McGuire to react to a big night in the NHL with the Olivier/Gilbert fight, Patrick Kane being the all-time leader in shootout goals, the Detroit Red Wings and Winnipeg Jets win streaks, and much more...Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Okay, welcome to the program if you're watching live. Hello, if you're in the chat, we're gonna get there. That's always likely. Podcast. Thank you for the downloads, the attention, all of it. We got Pierre McGuire coming up here in a couple of moments. Haven't had Pierre for a couple of weeks. Have had some scheduling issues with our friend Pierre, but he's back aboard today. Before we get to the rundown, Pierre, everything that's been happening around the NHL, I do wanna park a little bit of time, Zach,

and talk about the fight last night that kicked off the Columbus Blue Jackets NHL I do want to park a little bit of time Zach and Talk about the fight last night that kicked off the Columbus Blue Jackets in the Buffalo Sabres game By the way break up the Sabres a they just keep on winning they may never lose another game again You can take your Winnipeg Jets, and you're to try and I will show you the buff, okay I can't even. I'm not committed to the bit, I can't do it. I'm just like halfway, you can't do things like that halfway, you gotta go and I'm just not, I'm just not committed to it. So Mathieu Olivier and Dennis Gilbert last night,

off the draw. Now, we had wondered going into this one, what was this gonna be for the Buffalo Sabres? Right. They've had a couple of days of getting insulted and being called soft. And I may have referred to some of their players after the Stefan Nason hit on Tage Thompson as doing statue practice, elevator practice. Guilty as charged may have pointed out that there was, you know, maybe an

A out there. Zevon was like looking for loose change. No one wanted to go to approach Stefan Aces. And we said things like that would never happen if there were the flora panthers. And that's true. That would never happen if it were the Tampa Bay lighting. That's true too.

It was the Buffalo Sabres and nothing was done. And as much as Lindy Ruff, who in his time, we do have to understand here and remember, was a real tough hockey player. Like he didn't mind when it got, pardon the pun, rough. He did not mind that at all. So I'm sure that there's an old, listen, low hanging fruit is still nutritious, like deal with it. Um, there was a part of Lindy Ruff, like the old school part that was like,

Oh, I really hate this. will someone please do something then afterwards you talk about oh yeah there was some guys on the bench wanted to do something but we were more concerned about the two points. What else are you gonna say? But I know there's a part of Lindy that's like I really hate this. I really hate this. Where's Larry Playfair? Is he not around can can Rob Ray jump over the boards please right now do something about this was that was that not on the Rob Ray night that that the first incident happened sorry for the was it was it Rob Ray night or was or Rob Ray night no this wasn't this after Rob Ray night was it Rob Ray night

the game before and then it was the next... Because this was the... I should probably be more educated when I say things like that on the show. That's okay. No, listen, this is a show where we're not... If you're gonna... To everybody at Daily Face Off slash The Nation Network, if you expect Zach and I to be prepared and do research, like we're gonna need more money. This full stop, like I just want to get this out there now if you want us to do like a proper show with like actual information yeah we're gonna ask for more money because that's not how we play here so anyway so they have the fight you want to air this one real quick just to sort of throw it out there for just we have some visual context for everyone that's watching on YouTube right now in case you missed it

this is how the game began yesterday between CBJ who are you know limping into the key bank you know there's injuries and they're tired and it's end of the trip and where is Wierenski and where is Marchenko and we don't have Monahan and it's a it's a tough one and we all know what's happened to the Buffalo Sabres after the Tayshaunston and Seawolves. You're gonna get cold. Get ready. Here we go. Starting lineup is out and they're dropping with the call by the way. I don't think Dunleavy gets enough credit for being an excellent play by play caller.

Right now what's going through Dennis Gilbert's head is I just don't want to get murdered because Matthew Olivier is probably the toughest player in the NHL. Although, Mcdory just came back to the split off your flyers. And that's a number of rights in Olivier. And listen, he wins that fight. Okay, but right away, my first instinct was, like many of you, what are you doing? Like the game that they, oh, you really showed Stefan Nason, you went and fought Mathieu Olivier. But then I thought more about it and here's where I come back, here's what I come to on this one. And I want to ask,

I'll ask Peter McGuire this one coming up in a couple of moments. So just so we're all on the same page, the visiting team fills out the starting lineup first. The visiting team fills out the starting lineup first. Right? So Dean Evison starts Matthew Olivier. Now, the Buffalo Sabres have just gone a couple of days of being accused of being soft, not standing up for teammates, cowards, like all of it. They've heard everything for a couple of days.

And Dean Evison starts Matthew Olivier in that game. I'm guessing as if to say, you guys have been accused of being soft the last couple of games. I'm going to start the toughest player in the league right now and Matthew Olivier, what are you going to do about it? The more that I thought about this one, this was about Dean Evison looking at Lindy Ruff, a couple of old school guys and saying, I'm going to throw my guy out there. What are you going to do? Right after you've just been challenged for the last couple of days about your lack of

physicality and lack of being a good teammate as Paige Thompson, your best player is lying there on the ice. You agree or disagree with that? Because again, Buffalo puts their lineup out second. They did not initiate this one. This is Columbus saying, we're throwing Olivier out there. Uh, agree. I mean, the funny part is, and Zach Anderson there in the chat said it, Nathan, like, Nathan will think twice before taking a run at Tage Thompson now.

Like, I kind of had the same- You know what? You take another run at Tage Thompson, we're going to go fight Nick DeLorey. Yeah, I was like, what? But that makes way more sense. And it's kind of funny that to think about it that way, if that is the case, or Dean Evison was like, let's see. Let's see if you really are that tough. If you are, you know, respond. And that would make a lot more sense because I mean, honestly, Jeff, if that isn't the

case, this is one of the dumbest way. This is one of the dumbest way this is one of the dumbest things going on in that locker room if they all sat around and did a hurrah and were like let's go out there and fight off the opening draw like what does great like what does that mean like I get it you went and challenged you went and fought to Olivier here but as you said they chose to start him I don't think it could have been coming from that room. If it was, I mean. Put it this way. I think, I think what this.

Heads that need to be shaken. Put it this way. I don't wanna dwell on this one too much, but I am gonna ask Pierre about this. Yeah. What if Buffalo didn't do anything after Everson started Olivier? Yeah.

Yeah. Like the point that I'm getting to is Buffalo had to do this, right? Yeah. After the point that I'm getting to is, Buffalo had to do this, right? Yeah. After the last couple of days, plus Olivier being out there, like that was no choice. You're Lindy Ruff, you're like, okay, Gilbert, get out there. Gilbert, you're starting. You're going to play three seconds and then you're going to sit down for five minutes.

Right? Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. Did look kind of weird at the beginning. It's like, what? What? It's like, there you go, Dennis Gilbert, after being called out, the Buffalo Sabres called out, fought Mathieu Olivier. Well, they're not going to face New Jersey until next season anyhow, so I guess. Yeah. This is something we're going to do. hit. Alright coming up on the show today Daily Outlines presented by FanDuel, North America's number one sportsbook app provider. Busy

night around the NHL last night. How about you popping around your thumbs get a good workout or do you like to park it and lock it and just watch one game? Pierre Maguire stops by longtime NHL analyst will break down everything that well as many hot button issues as we saw last night around the NHL. And I wanna get historical on Pierre with a couple of teams that we're gonna see in action tonight, most notably the Boston Bruins

and the New York Rangers. So Pierre Maguire coming out in about six or seven minutes time. The Winnipeg Jets keep on winning and I wanna play a great interview by Eric Comrie here in a couple of seconds. Winning that minor for Winnipeg Jets keep on winning and I want to play a great interview by Eric Comrie here in a couple of seconds. Winning that minor for Winnipeg yesterday, got the shout out against the Carolina Hurricanes and he gave specific props to the video coach who really kind of in a lot of ways was a

big star yesterday on the disallowed goal by, well, Jackson Blake thought that he had one and then the appeal on the Rasmus Kopari play, which ended up counting. The Detroit Red Wings as well have now won seven games in a row. Want to talk to you about the Wings in the process. We'll talk about Patrick Kane as well. Patrick Kane now holds a record for most shootout goals

of all time with 53. We're gonna get there in a couple of moments. And William Nylander with a hat trick, his second career hat trick. Zach's Maple Leafs over the Calgary Flames last night. And I just sort of want to revolve a little bit around how the narrative has completely changed about William Nylander. And you know, for the longest time in Toronto, Nylander was always the, got to get him out,

got to get him out. He's the problem, can't pay this guy. And now it's almost as if there's only so many games that William Nylander can lug this team through. As other players go through injuries and dry spells, etc., Nylander is the constant. When did that change? Alexander Ovechkin as well, 17 goals away from the Gretzky record and scores with 0.1 second remaining on the clock. More on the

great eight and this great chase which has taken on this life of its own as it should as he closes in on a record that many thought would never be broken. I remember Zach growing up, I remember the number was 103. That was a record that will never be broken and that was Career Shutouts by Terry Sawchuck and then a guy by the name of Martin Bredour showed up and broke that. But I remember growing up like, oh, no one's ever going to get that many shutouts. Terry Sawchuck was the best. Nope. Did you want this record broken?

Just quickly on that. Did you like, were you like, yeah, I want every record broken. I don't want concrete to harden on history at all. I'm not one of these people. I'm not one of these traditionalists that likes to lock everything in and we can't budge this an inch to the left or an inch to the right. Um, I want every single record. And I know that Glenn Hollis is never going to be, but I'm the kind of person that wants every single record broken.

Um, because to me that represents a certain type of progress in the NHL. And I don't, like, I always want, I always want hockey to be as exciting for this generation as it seemed exciting to me, cause I grew up in the Gretzky era so I was there for all of those games. I want young hockey fans to be able to have the same excitement and see these records broken and see superstar players and continue to evolve the game. I'm not I'm trying really hard never to be one of these like oh well you don't understand young Zach you see back in 1978 we had an era where we had, I don't want to, I don't ever want to be that guy as much as I love history

and love talking about it. Um, really I'm more of a look forward than look backward kind of person. What about you? Did you want it broken? Did you want it broken? Yeah, I think it's cool. I mean, I watched this, right?

And I think over the course of my lifetime watching like, right and I think over the course of my lifetime watching like Ovechkin was hated is the wrong word the disliked player because it was him and Crosby and I was the Canadian kid and watching Sid grow up and it was always like I want Sid to be better I think Sid's better etc etc throughout his career I think Ovi's become much more likeable, lovable, maybe even straight by everyone. That is such a good point. You know, when Ovechkin broke into the NHL, I mean, as much as the NHL wanted to hype Crosby versus Ovechkin, they were two very beloved figures in the NHL. And Ovechkin was cool and it was like he had this like Eddie Vedder grunge look like the low hanging pants and the string and the

tinted visor it was like New Rock Roll right he had like a grunge vibe about it right is that Ovechkin or is he playing in the Alice and Chains on the weekend like just trying to make ends meet look great it was cool look was fantastic but then somewhere along the way and I don't know where and I don't know why, all of a sudden Ovechkin went from becoming like this lovable ball of energy and enthusiasm to, you know, I think you're right, Zach. He kind of went to this, he was kind of like a player that everyone just stopped liking for a while. Like I don't think that the hot stick celebration

helped him at all. I think people looked at that and said like, that was like too arrogant. I do have the backstory on that by the way, that I can share with you in a couple of seconds, but I wanna get Pierre Maguire on. And maybe we'll start as much as I wanted to start with a couple of different things.

Let's just start with Ovechkin with Pierre. Here he is, long time NHL analyst, mainstay here on this program and other programs as well. You love him, I do too. He is a great Pierre Maguire and he joins me on the sheet. Hello Pierre, I see a lot of golf books behind you. Yeah, I'm at my brother-in-law's home in Southern Quebec so I'm grateful that he's allowing me to use his office.

That being said, I love what you're talking about with the records. Yes. You know, you're talking about, you want Ovechkin to beat Gretzky's record when you're talking to Zach. And I think it's great to beat records. Yeah.

I think there's one record that will never get broken. Glenn Hall. Yeah. 502 straight starts. I'm telling you, I don't see that one ever. If anybody had a chance to do it, it was probably Marty Burdur. And he was probably averaging between 65 and 70 starts a year. So he wasn't just running it, you know, every year start after start.

And the other one is a team one. Go ahead. Okay. The team one is, and I was fortunate to be part of it, 11 straight wins to win the Stanley cup. Yes. So that's a sweep in the final, a sweep in the conference final and winning three straight in the second round against an opponent.

We did that in 1992. I would be shocked based on the cap, based on the parody, based on expansion and all the different teams. I'll be shocked if anybody breaks at any time soon. You know, I always, I'm not sure if you caught the part where I was talking about Terry Satchuk and I remember his Shudder. I thought like, I remember, well, I remember as a kid thinking like, no one is ever going to touch that.

But that's part of like, you know, the beauty growing up. Like I remember, I remember watching the game, Darrell Sittler's 10 points. Like that is a memory burned into my mind for the rest of my life, watching the Gretzky chase and all these things. And that's why I like seeing records broken. I know people want to freeze things in time and this was the best and it's just going to stay there. But man, like I want everyone to have like the same kind

of love that I had for hockey when they're kids. Like it was the biggest thing in my life. Like it still is, it's my job. I could turn into a career. But like that same enthusiasm that I had for watching Gretzky and seeing Sittler put up a Dixie and all these types of things. I want every generation to have that.

And that's why I want all these records to be broken, Pierre. One of the coolest things is, you talk about Darrell Sittler, the man that he scored all those points against is a guy named Dave Reese. His nickname is Moon, because you got the same haircut I have. Dave Reese. Yeah.

His nickname is Moon because you got the same haircut I have. Dave Moon Reese was a tremendous goalie at the University of Vermont. He didn't have the longest pro career, but he's an amazing educator. He's been an educator for the longest period of time. He's looked after so many young people, whether he's at the Berkshire School or as an advisor in different places. I have so much respect for Dave. When I was a college

coach, I used to stop in his office all the time, have a cup of coffee with him, and he would poke fun at himself saying, I'll always be remembered in Toronto as Boston as a guy that gave up all those points to Daryl Sittler. And you know what? It's true, but he never took it personal. And I learned so much from just hanging around with Dave and he's still living, he's still doing great. And when you say that, I think of the other side of this story too, Jeff. And I think there's always two sides to every story. There's the great part and then there's the part that gets exposed. And I just think that's the fascinating part about hockey, I really do. You know, that's interesting because I've never met Dave Reese. To be honest with you, I've always wanted to meet Dave Reiss and, you know,

doing radio in Toronto for so many years, you know, whenever the, the, the Sittler anniversary would roll around, I'd always want to get Dave Reiss on. Um, and was never able to book him. And one of the things you can tell me this is, this is right or wrong. One of the things that I think it was someone in the, in the Leafs organization told me was that, you know, like Dave was a little bitter about it. That's what, again, that's what I was told. You know, Jerry Cheevers had just come back from Cleveland in the, in the WHA and he put a towel over his head at

the end of the bench like, I'm not going in, like he's eating up, he's eating, like Sittler's on fire, everything's going in, don't even think about putting me in, towel over the head, one of those great moments. Like someone told me that he wouldn't even that Reese wouldn't sign copies of that game sheet. That I don't know but I can tell you every time I spent with Dave whether it was in his office watching him coach talking to him I never heard a negative thing he'd always poke fellowed himself. Yeah that's awesome. But here's what I'd like to do for you. Okay.

I'm going to try to get in touch with Dave right after I'm done with you on the show. I'm going to try to get it so that you can actually have Dave on the show. I'll try to get that set up. I would love it. I would love it. I would love it. I mean, this is like me being so completely selfish. This is one of those, oh, look, there's my Navels. I'm just booking the show for myself just to amuse myself, like this needs to be like an extra, I can't submit them, I would love,

I would love to talk to Dave Reese. Just mentioning Ovechkin a couple of seconds ago, a couple of things that I wonder about here, when he does break the Gretzky record, what if he's looking at an empty net? Do you think he yakes it? How about last night, what do you have? I know. A couple of seconds to go. Point one. I think I want to give an empty net. Do you think he's like? Well, Jake said. How about last night? What do you have?

I know. 10 seconds to go. Point one. I think I want to give credo where credit's due, and you'll appreciate this. I think we're seeing a lot of empty net Oveskin goals down the stretch. Yeah.

And I think it's a combination of one, they got a lead in a lot of games, Washington. Yes. Two, Spencer Carberry understands his role as history right now. Yes. And three, so do the teammates. Because you just see, they're looking for him. So there's a lot of different things moving around here.

But a lot of it's because the Washington Capitals have played themselves, and Overskin's part of that, into this amazing situation where they're facing teams that have to pull their goalies to get back in the game. And that's a strong thing. It's a real strong thing. And it's really, in a lot of ways, bringing that Washington capitalist team together. One of the conversations we were just having

before he came on is, when you look at Alexander Rovetjian's career in the NHL, he came in, he was rock and roll man. Crosby was a very hardworking, yet conservative, traditional, straight line hockey player, putting up a hundred points, carrying the franchise on his back and all those things. And here comes Ovechkin and he's rock and roll

to Crosby's smooth jazz, right? Two different players, two elite players, to Mount Rushmore, all those types of things, future Hall of Famers. But Ovechkin kind of had this rock and roll vibe to him. And somewhere along the way, I don't want to say he was despised, because he wasn't despised,

but there became like a negative cloud over Ovechkin for a while. I don't know where it came from. I don't know why it happened. I was mentioning to Zach a couple of seconds ago, that hot stick celebration against Tampa, which by the way, do you know the backstory on that one? Have you ever heard?

No. You'll love this one. So this goes back to Terry Ryan playing for the Tri-City Americans of the Western Hockey League. And what Terry would do is when he was cocky and he was also tough as you know, seventh overall pick I think by the half, seventh. Oh, Joe.

I think it was before, I think it was before I get in line. So Terry, when he would score big goals playing in the Western Hockey League, he would go to the opposition's bench and sometimes he would do that hot stick or sometimes he would get down and do pushups in front of the, just the taunting was unbelievable from Terry Ryan.

Jose Teodor played with Terry Ryan in Montreal. Jose Teodor, I think saw Terry Ryan do this maybe in exhibition or in practice or something like that. And then when Teodor was on the Washington capitals, Alexander Ovechkin was there, he was the one that presented this idea. There were people in the cap set denied this to me for years and then reluctantly said, yeah, that's where I came from

was Jose Teodor going back to Tri-City. He was the one that presented it to Alex Ovechkin, and Ovechkin tried it, and as you'll remember, all of his teammates said, this is a really bad idea, like, okay, let's not do this. I don't know if it was like that moment, but like, and he's back to being the lovable Ovechkin that everybody loves now, but it's been a weird,

like Crosby's popularity has always been at that same sort of respectful level that everyone has for him. He's tremendous, but Ovechkin's kind of been a little bit peaks and valleys for his popularity. Yeah, I agree. And again, you go back to knowing somebody, I've known Alex probably since he'd been 14 or 15 years old, Sid probably around the same age,

different people, completely different. But the one thing I'd say, Jeff, is whereas Crosby's just this amazing creature of habit that has everything. Consistent. It's not that Weston doesn't, but Alex kind of got involved in the political stuff, especially with Mr. Putin.

And I think that played a role, especially with some of the people in different parts of the world that maybe don't appreciate what Putin's done. That's why whenever I talk to people, I say, I qualify everything. I am not a political analyst. I work in hockey. I know nothing about the situation. I respect people. That's just how I'm going to deal with it. And I think that's something that might have got involved in that. But I think another thing was Washington for a long time was a lot like Detroit. They were always the team that was supposed to be the next big dog, the next one that we're going to take over. And they never did. And it bothered a lot of people. It's kind of like when Scottie went to Detroit and took over and they lose the first year

to San Jose on the Jamie Baker game seven overtime winner against Chris Osco. Scottie has to have this amazingly intense long conversation with Steve Ijerman at the end of the year. And there was all this rumor and innuendo that he was going to get traded to Ottawa. And I can tell you, I was in Ottawa then. Oh yeah, that's true. We definitely had talks with them. I could tell you right now, that was true. And I think, so there was a long time where the guys in Detroit were kind of seen the same way, well, they can never get out of their own way. And I think that happened to Alex too, I do.

I think the two, you can correct me if I'm wrong here, the two Iserman deals that were on the table at various times, one was Iserman for Lafontaine and the other was Iserman for Yashin. Eizerman for Yashin was definitely on the table and I can tell you when it happened. We were driving from Belleville back to Ottawa after American hockey. Actually, it wasn't even American hockey league. It was an NHL exhibition game. And Brad Marsh, myself, Randy Sex and Arrey Schuro were in the car.

And Brad had been a teammate of Steve Iserman's in Detroit, and we had talked about what Iserman would mean to the franchise in Ottawa, and that's how that whole thing started, and it was an amazing conversation. It really was, and Brad was really good with it. I can tell you right now, that conversation definitely happened between the two managers. Let's pick up with Detroit now. Winners of seven in a row, one of the hottest teams along with the Winnipeg Jets in the NHL. Be nice to see a playoff game in that new barn,

which is not really a new barn anymore, but we like to see a playoff game in that one. A couple of things coming out of last night's game. One, Patrick Kane with the shootout number now, which is 53, he now holds the record for most shootout goals. Jonathan, he was tied with Jonathan Caves at 52, so now he's pulled away. And I do want to ask another side story on Patrick Kane or a side thought, but the one

player that I want to get to here is Moritz Sider. So Moe Sider plays in game number 300. The interesting thing about Moe Sider is since he started in the NHL with the Detroit Red Wings, he's missed an exact number of, I have it written down here, zero games. He's never missed a game with the Detroit Red Wings. And the interesting thing about this is, when you look at the Detroit Red Wings, like we poke a lot of holes and we make a, when you look at the Red Wings, you say, okay, one of their Achilles here is their back end.

He gets, and he has since day one, the toughest assignments every single night. And you can say like, listen, they're feeding them to the wolves too early, 82 games, 82 games, 82 games, and top assignment every single night. It's made a better defenseman, but you can make the argument that based on his age and experience, he has the toughest matchups of any defender in the NHL.

Period. And here he is every single night. We talked about consistency with Crosby and I'm not saying he's like the Sydney Crosby or the blue line but like 80 like 300 games fourth season hasn't missed one Pierre and tough yeah tough assignments every night I'm not on a non playoff team where you know teams start pinning their ears back at the end of the year because they know what we're gonna bury these guys not just beat them we're gonna bury them so I with you, that's a tremendous accomplishment for him.

I remember being over in Sweden, his draft year, and just how much people were talking about how great this player was and how he was going to be amazing long term. I heard a lot of the same things about Simon Edvinson, who's obviously part of that Detroit group as well. They do, everybody knows Hock and Anderson, Chris Draper, Sean Horkop. They do an amazing job in Detroit, finding young talent, especially in Sweden. Even though Syre is not a Swede, they do an amazing job. They really do. I love the fact that you brought him up though, because I think long term, he's going to be such a beneficiary person when it comes to being

receptive to coaching. I think the coaching staff that's in Detroit right now is letter perfect. That's not to take a run in anybody else that was there before, but Todd has got so much experience and he's surrounded by real good people and their power play has been very good. Kane, obviously, when he's healthy, he's a big part of that power play. Dylan Larkin has gone to another level now. I'm really happy for him.

He's one of the great citizens in the NHL, by the way, Dylan Larkin, he's an awesome guy. So I'm just happy for the people in Detroit. I wanna see a playoff game there. I wanna see it for Mrs. Illich in particular and her family. Yeah. And for Steve Eisenman, it still pains me all the slings and arrows people went, you know, took at him when the thing wasn't going well at the

beginning, I don't think people realize how hard it is to rebuild the team. He takes a while. It does. Can I, let me, let me throw one thing on top of that. Let me throw a log on that one. I don't think Steve cares. I don't think that Iserman cares what people say. Steve Iserman didn't care when he went up there at the Vancouver draft and took

both cider and everyone went, what are you doing? He goes, yeah, this guy's not played 300 games and hasn't missed one. I don't think Iserman cares about criticism. Like there are some, you know, there's some managers where the, you know, the nerves can be a little bit close to the skin on a few things. I've been on the wrong end of some angry phone calls in my career, as I'm sure you have as well. But I don't think Iserman cares. I really don't. I don't get that. And I never have. I think the one thing about the greatest hockey people that I know and have known in my career,

and one of them told me this a long time ago, never take stuff personal. People are going to come after you. People are going to say stuff about you. People are going to make stuff up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't worry. You know who you are. You know what you're loyal to. Just live by your standards. Laws are the correct standards. I think Steve does that. I really do. I think he really lives by that. I've never talked to him about it, but I can tell you one thing. He's a winner and his group I think you're well on their way to being a winning group and they've got some tremendous stuff in Grand Rapids too.

It's not like they're just the one and done. These guys are going to be good. And Grand Rapids in first place in their division in the American hockey league they got a lot of good stuff going on in Detroit right now. I'm really excited for their fans. Really excited. Yep. I share that enthusiasm.

Patrick Kane. So I'm going to use this as a, as a way to plug morning cup of hockey tomorrow morning. Uh, Johnny Lazarus, Colby Cohen, uh, 9 AM Eastern on our daily faceoff YouTube channel will talk to Mike Arugioni, the captain of the 1980 gold medal, miracle on ice, all of it. Fantastic.

And here's how I want to, here's how I want to, here's how I want to frame this conversation with Pat King. I think when all is said and done, and I've always maintained that the greatest American-born player that I've ever seen is Chris Cellios. I might be biased, I just love Cellios and everything that he's been able to do, but I think that at the end of his career, he'll go down as the most influential American born hockey player ever. Like 1980 popped an entire generation of American hockey players, whether it's

your Medanos and your Ronics, et cetera, go all the way through. But you talk to kids all the time for the draft and whenever it comes to who's your favorite player, and it's not just the American kids, but overwhelmingly it's the American kids. Patty Kane, Patty Kane, Patty Kane, Patty Kane. When all is said and done, will he be singularly the most influential US-born player ever? Oh, he'll be right up there. I think Cellius is a good one. I think Madonna was the right one. You said, I think Jeremy.

I think Cellius is a good one. I think Madonna was the right one. You said, I think Jeremy, I was running hockey schools and just starting out my coaching career six years after the 1980 Olympics. And you'd be shocked whether it was Keith Kachuk, Jeremy Roenick, Tony Amati, Billy Garron, Scotty Lachance. I can go on out with Sean McCackerel. There's so many. I had them all. I had them all at this camp called the Europa Cup. And those kids, they talked about 1980 all the time. You always heard that. And just to backtrack on what you were saying about Michael LaRouzioni, I just had him on our podcast, Jimmy Murphy and I, our podcast the other day. Just the day of the Bean Pod at a real cool place in Boston called West End Johnny's. Michael was amazing. The stories we got out of

them, Jeff, were unbelievable. And a lot of them are old stories with new twists. And he really is so passionate about it. The bus ride after they lost to the Russians at Madison Square Garden before they went to Lake Placid and what was discussed on the bus was really a cool story. What was said in the first game, people forget this, if they lose the first game to the Swedes, they're done basically in the tournament. And Billy Baker scores from the blue line with time running out on the clock. And all of a sudden, the whole tournament takes on a life of its own. He talked about being down to the Germans, two nothing, and how they had to come back and what herb was saying in the dressing room

And then the best one was he says yeah We beat the Russians and we're everybody's like going cuckoo crazy if we don't beat the Finns. We still don't wait. Yeah, I know So that whole 1980 team created that template of great American players that you just alluded to and it really I Think it's just grown from there. I really do. It really has. Okay. So a couple of more things that I want to get to with you. I started the show today talking about, and the more that I thought about it, the more I think I understand what's going on here. So Dennis Gilbert fights Matthew Olivier to start the Columbus Buffalo game yesterday. And my first thought when I saw it, I think it was the same as everyone. Like, what are you, what are you doing? Like, Nason's the guy you want in New Jersey.

What are you just, this is just like proven that you're tough. And then I thought to myself, hold on a second here. Dean Evison fills out the card first. And he knows the Buffalo Sabres have just been questioned physically the last couple of days. So this is Dean Everson old, pardon me. Really, really loves this. Dean Everson says, all right, Olivier's starting Buffalo. You've just heard it for two days about being soft.

I'm putting Olivier out there. Lindy, what are you going to do? Like you could talk about this, Pierre. You're uniquely qualified to talk about this. Like the, the, the head games from coach to coach. Was that Evison saying, Hey, Lindy, what are you going to do about this? To start the game last night? 100% is basically how can I help influence the outcome of the game for my team? I'm challenging you as a coach. I can't skate anymore. I don't get to play. is basically how can I help influence the outcome of the game for my team? I'm challenging you as a coach. I can't skate anymore. I don't get to play.

If I had it in Buffalo, I would have said, do I get a chance to sign Rob Ray for an eight hour contract paper from the fact she's put him in all the 30, yeah, I'm out there. Here's your old tax razor. Here's your old tax. Get up. Go now. You know, it's funny, um, because this is a Matthew Olivier tie-in and I

think you and I talked about this. Everybody in Toronto was all geared up when Olivier and Brian Reeves fought. Reeves is only fight of the year and people are saying well how'd that happen? I'll tell you how it happened. Dean Evison put Olivier on the ice for a defensive zone faceoff. Craig Barube, the old warrior that he is says, really? I'm not letting you run the game in my building. Revo, you get hooked there. You get the last, we get the last change. And so it's called setting the table.

Coaches understand, and some coaches value toughness, Jeff, as you know. And other coaches don't. I think in the case of Dean Ebison, he values toughness a lot. Yeah. He's, uh, I mean, you remember how he played? Like he didn't give, he did not give up on her. It's her size guy. He wasn't shy.

He wasn't shy. He wasn't as all, uh, wasn't at all. Um, okay. I want to ask you about a game tonight. So Boston Bruins are facing off against the New York Rangers. These are two teams that have scuffled throughout the season. We all know about the Rangers and the JT Milder deal.

Make sure you don't leave your, don't make plans. Don't make dinner plans on Fridays anymore because that's when the big trades go down. But here's the way that I want to frame this. I look at the Rangers and the Bruins in one very specific way, and it's historical. This is one of the great lost rivalries in the NHL. Much like Detroit-Montreal through the 50s

and into the early 60s was the great, I mean, the Bechard Riots. I mean, that was a Detroit-Montreal game, 1955. But I look at the Rangers and the Boston Bruins, and this is the late 60s, early 70s. This is a rivalry that has kind of been lost to time now. And that New York Ranger team specifically, I'm curious your thoughts on this one.

That Ranger team specifically, how many, that Ranger team specifically was the best team that never won the Stanley Cup. You know, I had the privilege of working for the late and male Francis in Hartford. Brian Burke was a general manager, but Emile was our president. And I had so many awesome visits over the course of my career with Emile. My first head coaching win was in Florida, and I'll never forget Mr. Francis running downstairs in the old Miami Arena and running into our dressing room and jumping into me like he was throwing a full on body check.

It was really, it was awesome. He was just such a gentleman. I had so many awesome visits with him. And we talked about that too. We talked about that team a lot. You know, the gag line. People don't really talk about them much, but that gag line was amazing with Shelbert and Rattell and Hadfield. And you know, you had so,

Brad Park was in his prime and Eddie Jockerman, there was just so much stuff going on in those days. And I think that whole thing took on another life of its own when they made the big deal with Phil Esposito, you know, and Brad Park. And just it changed a lot for both those teams. And there was always that Nassiness, but you're right those ranger teams in the early 70s. I was kind of 11 12 years old I remember those those were probably the most disappointing Ranger teams and I'll never forget Jeff I mean you remember this clear as day when the Rangers won the cup in 1994. I'll never forget the sign won the cup in 1994. I'll never forget the sign behind the Ranger goal for the first and the third period after you know,

they the McTavis wins the draw and the Rangers win the cup. The sign is held up. Now I can die in this. I'll never forget it just showed you how much passion and pain had been part of being a Ranger fan since 1940. It really was amazing. That's that's one of the great signs of all time. I will counter that with one of the great signs from the early 70s era in Boston at the old garden. It's one of my favorites.

It's just very simple. Lady Bing died at the garden. lady Bing died at the garden. It's one of the great signs of all time. Here you know as you're talking about Kat a couple of seconds ago I just pulled off my shelf here one of my favorite hockey books of all time on the back if you can see this. Look at that look at that picture of Kat like like on it whenever I and I used it to before he passed away, I would talk to him regularly. And listen, I mentioned Terry Satchuk earlier. He was the last man to see Terry Satchuk before he passed away. And I love talking to Kat about that era.

But, um, the, the book that I just pulled off is, is one that I, whenever people ask me, what's some of your favorite hockey books, this is one of mine. It's called the Rangers, the Bruins and the end of an era, a tribute to a great rivalry by Jay Moran. Like this is one of my favorite It's called the Rangers the Bruins and the end of an era a tribute to a great rivalry by J Moran Like this is one of my favorite hockey books of all times a great stories I mean William Jennings who has a trophy named after him as the president of the New York Rangers Putting a bounty on Ted Green of the Boston, like what are we doing? What are we doing here? But like that was the era like that that was

great What are we doing here? But like that was the era. Like that was great stories. Eaglebury went up in the stands with the shoulders. Yes. All right. New York, Boston in its prime in its heyday. No, a hundred percent. No, it was crazy stuff. I mean, you know, I remember coaching playoff games in old Madison,

well, Madison Square Garden, not old Madison Square Garden, Madison Square Garden. I remember coaching playoff games in old Boston Garden. And I remember coaching playoff games in old Boston Garden. And I remember coaching regular season games in old Boston Garden. You'll like this story. So I'm coaching in a game, I'm coaching in Hartford and we had a lot of success against the Brooms back in those days. And I'm standing back by the glass and my arms are folded in front of me and all of a sudden I feel like a bee has stung me behind my neck. So I go down the bench and I say to our trainer, Bud Gavay, in heart place, is there like a bee sting or something back there? He goes, no, it looks like you got burnt. What?

After the period's over, I go in the dressing room and I take my shirt off and out from behind my shirt comes out this coin. Somebody had heated a coin in the second deck and dropped it down at her bed. It got stuck between my collar and my neck. Oh, jeez. When this was building, those buildings were amazing. The intensity in that old Boston garden or Chicago stadium. So Jeff, coaching the 92 final with Scotty Bowman in Chicago stadium, games three and four. When you sit on the bench for the national anthem,

the floor shook, I'm not kidding you. Like you felt the floor shaken from the fans. It was unbelievable. You know, it is, and I always hate to be that guy. I was like, oh, things were better years ago. Like, I don't wanna be that guy. I was like, Oh, things were better years ago. Like I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to be that guy, but like new first, they're not just ranks like new facilities now, like they're built not just for hockey, it's, you know, basketball concerts, et cetera.

Understandable. Um, but there is something that's been lost, like old hockey buildings where the seats weren't as laid back, but they went straight, and the Buffalo Memorial Auditorium would maybe be the best example, like the seats that went almost straight up, right? And so you were looking down and it was like so intimate. And like, Pierre, you were part of this.

Did it feel like the fans were on top of you? Now they're not. Now everything is laid back, right? Gotta make this accessible for concerts, you gotta move this. But back then, like, fans were right on top of you, man. Oh, the forum in Montreal and the garden in Toronto, people forget that there was no glass

behind the visitors' bench. The fans could touch the players. I remember that one. Like, hey, walk it by. It was really scary. Like, you know, it was amazing. The Toronto Maple Leaf's team doctor sat right next to the bench. It was really, like, you know, it was amazing. The Toronto Maple Leaf's team doctor sat right next to the bench.

It was amazing. How did it take you? Dr. Douglas, I think his name was Dr. Douglas if I remember correctly. And it was just amazing. I remember Dr. Kinnear in Montreal, legendary Doug Kinnear, he would be right there and they used to say, they wouldn't call it the training room, they called it the clinic in Montreal. He went to the clinic and Dr. Kinnear was stitching right up.

It was just a totally different type, but those buildings were amazing. They really were amazing. All right, back to hockey today. We got a couple of minutes here left for the end, as always, thank you for your time. Last night in the Calgary, Toronto game, it's not rare to see players bark at each other.

Listen, we just had one player traded because him and another player, um, couldn't get along in Vancouver, but you know, uh, Rasmus Anderson and Nazm Kadri going at it last night. I say, I've always looked at these things and said, that's really healthy. I would rather see two players bark at each other and get it out, then ball it up like ketchup and let it sit in their craw and build up and not say anything.

I would rather have that spontaneous bark than just quiet fuming on the bench. Cause that's where you get in trouble. You've been part of situations like this. You've seen it from a number of different levels. When you see Khajri and Anderson going at each other like they did last night, what does Pierre Maguire think? Two guys who really care. It's an organization that's created standards,

and they're holding each other to standards. You want the players' police in the room. You want the players' police on the bench. It makes it a much better workplace environment I Listen, we had Gordy Roberts and he was a tough guy He was a tough guy. We had we had Rick talk and he was a tough guy You know, we had a lot of guys Mario would challenge guys Kevin's look

We called him the stampeding elephants when we had John Cullen mark wrecking and Kevin Stevens They were all playing out their ops in that year. And I'll tell you right now, there was a lot discussed. There was a lot discussed. And it was all healthy. After the game was over, they were best friends again. It was all good. Guys challenge one another.

I had no problem with that. I get times are different, but I think that's still part of that sacred area where you can challenge guys and it's not a problem. If guys start, it's like I said to you before, Jeff, if guys take that personal, their product can be around the league very long. Truth. Okay. Let me close on this one then too. Also in that game, William Nylander with the Hatfield. Eight years from the last time he scored three goals in a game. And we talked about the narrative about Ovechkin and

how it swung and how it changed and how it's back in it and in a really good, healthy, happy place. Um, you know, Nylander never got the benefit of that out from Maple Leaf's fans, followers, observers from day one. He, you know, was quickly the poster child of everything that was wrong with the Maple Leafs.

Now he's somehow become, you know, the anchor that drags everybody along with him. He's become, you know, the, the, the, the playoff guy, the, the consistent regular season guy. Like all of those criticisms that used to exist, um, of William Nylander are gone now. Um, you know, and it wasn't that long ago that, you know, it was, it was pretty close that he was going to St. Louis and Alex Patrangelo was going the other way to the Toronto Maple Leafs. Um, when did this change? Like, was it anything that Nylander did that made him go to St. Louis and Alex Patrangelo was going the other way to the Toronto Maple Leafs. Um, when did this change?

Like, was it anything that Nylander did? Cause I still, I mean, I just saw, I just see a guy that got better throughout his career and got physically stronger, but he still seems to be the same player to me. What do your eyes see with William Nylander from when he was drafted in the Ekblad draft in Philadelphia to right now? I think a bunch of things. One, the addition of John Tavares to the organization,

I think, has helped a lot. The addition of Austin Matthews to the organization has really helped. And the maturation of Austin Matthews, the addition of Mitchell Marner to the organization and the maturation of Mitchell. So if you look at it, let's just say that he's playing, and I hate to number the lines, but he's playing on the second line as a right winger and John Kovars is at center. And let's just say for the sake of argument based on how they finished the game last night,

McMahon is playing on the left side. That's one of the better second offense in the National Hockey League. Yeah, it's really good. And so when you're hanging around professional guys like I just mentioned, it kind of rolls on you. And I think that's one of the things that really helped him. The other part is he always had amazing talent. I had the privilege of coaching his father. His father Michael was amazingly talented. I can tell you one thing, Michael was a good offensive player, but nowhere near as good as really, not even close. So he's, he's obviously got a good gene pool that he comes from too.

But Charlotte, I think the addition of some mature guys around that team, and I love what the new coaching staff is doing in Toronto. I think he's just loving it. I think he's enjoying his time playing there and he's playing for the team rather than for himself and you can see he's having a ton of fun doing that. Quick thought on Michael, 30 seconds if you have it. Remember the Rangers went through that revolving door of trying to find centers for Jagger and the only guy that he clicked with was Michael Nylander. He was the only, whatever, there's so many centers they went through. Nylander was the only guy. What was it about Michael Nylander?

He was amazing protecting the puck. He could gain the offensive blue line spin out like Greps used to do in fine guys late or fine guys early. His puck possession skills were amazing and his peripheral vision was off the charts. And I can tell you this with clear confidence, and Michael probably remembers it, in the old Boston garden one night, I got really mad at him. And I said, fight me, I told you five times, don't make blind back passes in the neutral zone here. It's just too small and they're going to quick counter. And a lot of times you're going to be on against Oates and Nealy and it's going to be a problem. And he does it once and they don't score. He does it a second time and they do score. And I start screaming, I'm, Mick, Mick, Mick, what did I tell you?

I'm like, murder him. And he looks at me, calm, cool and collected like his son probably would do and he says, but coach, I'm the Swedish Wayne Gretzky. And he says, and you know what? I got to stop. What am I going to do? What am I going to do, Jeff? I can't go crazy.

So I'm like, I'm a pain, Nick. We'll talk about that later. And he wasn't being mean at all. It just made me. I wonder if Mariusz Czerkowski ever used that with an Islanders coach. But coach, I'm the Polish Kretzky. What are you talking about? Do whatever you want.

Always full value. Great stories, great information, great insight. Thanks as always for stopping by. Enjoy the rest, great stories, great information, great insight. Thanks as always for stopping by. Enjoy the rest of your day, my friend. We'll chat soon. Thanks, pal. Take care.

There he is, the great Pierre McGuire. And I like the way General Soreness in the chat puts it. Pierre is comfort food for the hockey nerds' ears. I'm telling you, like I could do, I don't know. I guess it's like, we don't really have like a stop set to hit Zach, we don't have like a necessary time to hit. I don't know, like put it this way, have you ever wondered if you wanted to like set the record

for being on the air the longest and not have a show where you're just like repeating yourselves over and over again? I wonder how long I could go just story for story for story for story with Pierre. Oh, by the way, by the way. What's that? Yeah.

I was just gonna say the whole time you're on with him, it's like you guys are just, you're like almost in a good way forget that the show is going on and are just like- Yeah, I know it's bad. I'm bad at hosting. Catching up. No, it's unbelievable. That's the best thing.

I tweeted out earlier, I'm like, this is one of my favorite guests every time we have Pierre. It's so good. Like he's so built for this. Like he's great story, he delivers well, like all of it. Had a couple of people, at least one person, asking the chat, what was the book that I held up? So this one is called

The Rangers of Ruins and the End of an Era, a Tribute to a Great Rivalry by J. Moran. I adore that picture of Emile Francis. I just adore that picture of the cat. Such a great one. This is a great book with great stories about what once was the number one rivalry in the NHL. I don't think it's a really easy one to find.

I got it when it first came out. Like, Zach, there's a lot of words. This is a lot of words in this one Zach some cool pictures too this is like almost 750 pages long or 650 pages long it's like anyway it's a great one if you're a Rangers fan if you're a Bruins fan and Jay Moran's book is is just tremendous okay real quick we've got a couple of things that I want to do here can we play the Eric Comrie interview from last night?

Yes, let's do that. Is that possible? You had the one fired up, so Winnipeg Jets won seven in a row. They beat the Carolina Hurricanes, shut them out yesterday. An interesting call out and a good call, I love when athletes do this. A cool call out by Eric Comrie, but watch this interview. Listen to Eric Comrie.

I wanna make a point and get your thoughts in the chat. Please weigh in as well about Eric Comrie. I want to make a point and get your thoughts and in the chat please weigh in as well about Eric Comrie. It's from last night. First up. Pretty good night tonight, right? So Maddie is the best in the business. So like when I was in Buffalo, like our video coach there is like we're talking about talking about Maddie like he's the greatest thing ever. He's the Carmack David of video coaches. Like it was like so I was there they were like I actually this is an actual conversation I had with the video coach Justin way goes you know Maddie pre-fontaine like what's he like as a guy how good is he knows

like okay now I understand how good he is because that I mean when the like when they had their analytics meaning he's the one like leading the charge he's the best in the business we're lucky to have him he should be his agent I think he's gonna sign for extension and a little bit of race. Okay. Now imagine that, hang on, hang on. He's awesome. Comrie's great. Um, because guys like that, do you want to see do really well? Like, ah, man, I want that guy to play like 65 games a year and I'm being a conversation for the Vezna just so you have that personality out in front of cameras all the

time. Now imagine you're seeing that and instead of wearing a hoodie and a hat, Comrie's wearing a jacket, a shirt, a tie, and has a microphone in front of him. Can you not see that guy transitioning to hockey media like that? With the level of comfort in front of everybody. Did you see the TikTok trend or social media trend that went around where it was a girl who had just started following hockey and she tweeted like dumb questions I would love to ask hockey players and put this list together and it was pretty funny. Oh what is it? I'd love to see. You know I'll find it we could go through it but it's stuff like you know it's people don't

even think about some of these things like Like, how do you get paid? How often do you get paid? Do you ever forget that you're playing a game when you're sitting on the bench? Like those kinds of things. And the jet social media team took the list and asked Eric Comrie. It's one of the funniest, like most wholesome things ever, because he's sitting there with like this smile on his face and he's like, you know, they're asking him Do you check out your like check out the wrong word, you know, you forget that the game's going on He's like and like don't tell coach like sometimes. Yeah

He's just answering it. He's like all smiles and happy about it. I thought that was really cool That was like one of the first introductions I had to comry as a Media side or the media side of him. And I kind of had the same thought. I was like, wow, this guy's going to be good doing TV someday. You know what? What I think about about goaltenders checking out when they're watching the game, there is a great story.

One day I want to have John Garrett on the show, right? Cheech, who's still like one of the best color analysts of all time, one of the great goaltenders of all time, one of the great personalities of all time. When he was playing for the Quebec Nordiques, I would love to have been involved in this game, just to see this. So he was backing up, I can't remember what the starter was,

might have been like Dan Bouchard. And so he's eating hot dogs. Scraburn got grabbed a few hot dogs and he's chowing down hot dogs on the bench and he's keeping them. He's keeping them. You got to know Cheech, right? And as you know, there's a lot of ketchup. Uh, he's keeping them tucked inside his pad.

Like, you know, when the goalie's pad comes up, like in between the knee cap and the pad itself is that little area. He's keeping hot dogs stashed in there. And I don't know, Bouchard gives up a couple of softies. Can't even know who the coach was. All right, Cheech get in. Oh, so he grabs his gear real fast and goes in. Sure enough, first scramble in front of the net,

what pops out? No. It's professional hockey. Gotta get Cheech at the hill. Cheech sells it way better than I do. But it's one of the greatest. What's worse, the hot dog or the phone? What is that?

The phone is so good. The hot dog or the phone? No, hot dog is like next level. That's like Link Gates, LNAH, like gets scratched for a, or gets kicked out of a game and shows up behind the bench like just with his skates and his gear off, just chowing hot dogs behind the bench.

Like anything involving hot dogs and hockey for some reason, just insanely funny, but yeah, cheats having hot dogs pop out of the pads is one of the great stories that, uh, John Garrett can tell. He also did a real disservice to, um, to capital H hockey, you know what he did? He painted over his Birmingham Bulls mask,

which was the greatest mask of all time. When he got moved to the Whalers, he painted over it, Zach. I love John Garrett. I think he's one of the greatest people the sport has ever seen. I will never forgive him for that. Is that too, is that too it. Is that too strong? Is that too strong, Zach? Am I being too heavy on John Garrett?

Never forgive him. We're painting over Malik. First I was like, what do you mean? Now I get it. Now I get it, yeah. That's tough. All right, let's get to the game tonight. Busy schedule last night, 14 games.

Hope you enjoyed it. If you're bouncing around, you get a lot of bounce too and you had some really, really good ones just to focus on as well. Last night, I know Zach had his eyes on that. Big Maple Leafs went over the Calgary Flames. Three games on the go around the NHL presented by FanDuel, proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. Roster updates as we always remind you.

Daily Faceoff fantasy on our Twitter, X feed. Boston, New York, Edmonton, Chicago, Montreal and LA, Montreal over the Sharks last night, 4-3, Celebrini with a pair in that one. I kinda wanna, I sort of jumped ahead because I did wanna make mention of like the great lost rivalry that is the Boston Bruins and the New York Rangers.

And it doesn't, like sometimes there are just some teams. That's why I'm gonna be glued all over this one. Like of course you gotta watch Edmonton, Chicago just to watch Connor and Leon. Man, were they good again. How about that, by the way, how great was that move last night, McDavid, through the offer sheet, the offer sheet boys.

Over to Connor Brown. Holy smokes. Like both of them, you took on both offer sheet guys. Ba-bam, over to Connor Brown. Holy smokes. Both of them, you can take out both offer sheet guys. Ba-bam, over to Connor Brown, it's in. You know what that move, you don't see that on skates too. That's like somewhere where you can plant a little bit easier and hit him with a little, whoop, jab step shoulder shake.

And Nathan stood there and was like, oh, don't know where to go, don't know what to do. And he walks right by them like, yeah, oh, that's disgusting. Yeah, so we'll watch Edmonton, Chicago, certainly. And your late game is LA and Montreal. But Boston, it doesn't take much between Boston and New York to get it fired again.

Like, that's the one thing that I do love. You know, these are teams from a very early era in the NHL. This is, you know, there are a lot of games and a lot of violent games and a lot of classic games, some great rivalry games, as we mentioned a couple of minutes ago here on the program. That's what I always, I always love watching those jerseys mix.

There's something about Boston and New York that just looks great and bonuses at MSG and Igor Susturkin, Zanette and Johnny Lazarus will be in attendance and everything will be good. Right, Zach Phillips? Yup. I mean, I mean, talk about that rivalry too.

You've got enough people in Boston side who could ignite something or try to push something to go. You might just have someone on the other side there now who's been talked about not enough over the last like couple months this season. I think he's wearing number eight for the New York Rangers,

maybe by the name of JT Miller, who could probably pour some gasoline on that fire and get it going if it's kind of quiet from the Rangers side of things as well. So yeah, that'd be fun to watch. JT Miller meet Brad Marshand. Yeah, exactly. We hope you don't get along.

We hope you don't get along. Hey JT, have you ever been barehand choked on the ice? How would Miller react to that? To Marshand, give him the Undertaker choke slam. I don't know. It's something I would want to find out, that's for sure. A couple of things in the chat. Oh, where is it? General Sorinous. Cheech had the best collection of masks ever. Fighting Saints, Bulls, Canucks, Nordiques, Whale. Man, that's true. He really did. That's another one. That's another great thought experiment.

Which goalie has the best collection of masks? Like they played on enough teams and had great masks along with them. I think GS has a good point here. It might be Cheech. Yeah, like who's got the Shaquille O'Neal collection of goalie masks on their wall? Uh, I got a lot of hot dog comments here after that story. Again, I don't do it justice. I don't do it justice at all. You gotta get John Derrodon. Absolutely. Richard Chung, our good buddy says the Rangers and Bruins played in the first down the I don't do a jump kick at all. You gotta get John Derrodon. Obviously Richard Chung, our good buddy says, the Rangers and Bruins played in the first Stanley Cup between two American teams.

Enjoy that one tonight, along with the other two games, Montreal and Los Angeles Kings of Crypto.com, that's your late one, and Conor McDavid doing things, and Leon Dreissel doing things against Chicago Blackhawks. And anytime those teams get together, you gotta say it. Connor Bredard versus Connor McDavid. Yeah. All right.

Thanks to Pierre McGuire for stopping by. That was a lot of fun. Hope you enjoyed the stories, the commentary and all that, and the laughs. Anything from you as we close out. I mean, you went to bed yesterday, a happy guy with your, with your leafies with two points and the Ottawa Senators in the rearview mirror is getting a little hot under your collar yesterday. They're getting a little bit too close.

Objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear. Yeah. Well, I mean, I wonder if Leon Dreissel is feeling that way when it comes to William Nealon. There are now four goals behind him for the goal scoring lead in the NHL. Just quickly catching up. Yeah, no. I mean, yesterday was also a late one. Oh my god, you texted me earlier this morning and I didn't reply for a bit. It was

like, you forget that what happens is when you do a after dark show and the game starts at 9pm local time. Well, the show doesn't start till midnight. And that means you don't finish till one and then everything's not done and you're not sleeping till like after two and I didn't really realize that and then it hit me pretty hard. Yeah, good week for the Leafs. I also just want to throw in on the point about William Nylander. He brought it up with Pierre there and talking about it. I think one thing that kind of bothered people and it's something that I feel like we saw

with Phil Kessel and Berks talked about it is it seems like he doesn't care, which I think rubs people the wrong way a lot. Like you heard him and they make the comments when they went on the three game losing streak and he's like, it's three games. Who cares? And then they won three in a row and then they asked them, well, you've won three in a row now and he goes, it's three games, who cares? And then I think that bothers people, but I think that's what makes him so good in this market. Honestly, I think that's the, but I think that's what makes him so good in this market.

Honestly, I think that's the healthiest thing for a player. Because if you ride the roller coaster for 82 games, you know how much like mentally that exhausts you? I've always felt this. 82 games is a ton. You cover it. You do all the games and you're exhausted. What do you got to do? Sit there behind the microphone. I love this. I hate this. I'm gonna make some money for sick kids here

on our super chats and I'm gonna be pissed off when they leave. Awesome. Great to see, great to hear. But yeah, like, can you imagine? That's why I always admired Carey Price. The one thing I always loved about Carey Price was when he was interviewed after games, you

could not, like if you didn't know the score and you just saw the interview, like you just looked at him and even know what the questions were, because the questions will betray the score, you wouldn't know who won the game. And I think that's like the best way for goalies to be. You know, we always make, oh, crazy goaltenders and all that. Smartest goaltenders. Just chill. We're in this game. So what, another one coming. You know, one street car going, another one coming. That's my words of wisdom.

Yeah, I think it helps a lot. Yeah, I appreciate that. I'll try my best to take that with me moving forward. That's another one that I really don't like. Moving forward. As opposed to what? Oh no. Here's what we're gonna do moving forward.

As opposed to the rest of us that are go where? I didn't think that one was gonna cause problems. Empty calorie words that mean nothing other than you're trying to make yourself sound important. Well, here's what this team is gonna do moving forward. It's like buzzwords. Thanks. No, important business guy.

It's like buzzwords. Moving forward with this power play as opposed to what? Which other way? Have you discovered time travel? Is that how you're gonna go back? Yes. You're gonna bring like the 1977 Habs power play over? Come on, fellas. We're going into 2025

You Jarvis you Robinson here we go You LaMare come on Last night Jeff in Toronto Calgary in the first nine minutes Yeah, I was looking forward to having a good goal not once but twice and we didn't get there I was thinking about you when they were doing those reviews You just living to torture me now. Between that and the hockey sound. You'll find out. A Dome Philly story we got to do at some point too. Doesn't want to. Oh Philly Chris Falcone. You've got to remember that. It's not that exciting but I will mention it. You know what listen we have

Daniel Brier on the show tomorrow. General manager of the Philadelphia Flyers maybe after we air that interview I'll tell the Philly Chris Falcone story. Actually you know what I should do? I should call him and see if we can get him on the show after. Follow up, yeah. I don't know, let's see. Okay, all right. Don't do the show in the green room.

I was just doing show crack here live. So Zach, what are you thinking for the 135? No, okay, so it's more on the program. General Manager of the Philadelphia Flyers, Daniel Brier will be aboard. Morning Cup of hockey is always don't miss and can't miss. Tomorrow's a special one. It's Pat Marundi, that's always good.

Also with Colby and Laz, Mike Arugioni, captain of the 1980 US Gold Medal team. Awesome, I will not miss that. I do not recommend you do either. On behalf of Zach Merrick here, check it out. Enjoy the game tonight, only three of them. We are back tomorrow with the sheet. Again, nine Eastern, morning cup of hockey at noon,

Daily Face Off Live, and then me and Zach, our little act here at three o'clock Eastern. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Cause you can call it a ride I went to the dark man He tried to give me a little medicine I'm like nah man that's fine I'm not against those methods But I knew It's me, myself and Alice Gonna be fixing my mind

I do wanna break it I turned on the music I do wanna break it I turned on the music I turned on the music I turned on the music I turned on the music I turned on the music It's enough that I'm out of it Sometimes you lose it Help me on the days that went wrong