The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Change of Scenery ft. Carter Hutton & Chris Mason

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Jeff Marek is joined by Carter Hutton and Chris Mason to react to the Kaapo Kakko and Alexandre Carrier trades, discuss the state of the New York Rangers, and dig into the Sergei Fedorov jersey scandal...SHOW INDEX(00:00) Intro(03:30) Sergei Federov(06:44) Kaapo Kakko(16:07) Happy Birthday NHL(18:25) Carter Hutton & Chris Mason(19:47) Favorite Defenceman(21:57) Trade Reactions(25:04) Stat Tracking(28:55) Players Handling Movement(42:44) Linus Ullmark(47:49) Goalie’s Goalie(54:49) Matt Murray(56:47) Closing Thoughts____________________________________________________________________________________________Up Close with Stephen BruntApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/trailer/id1784718713?i=1000680017895Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qQNAp0eleA4H3vuuWOZWp?si=196f81830f374255Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.ca/podcasts/1285b1e8-82fd-4d00-ae34-f48d596dd1ce/up-close-with-stephen-brunt____________________________________________________________________________________________Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Find your push. Find your power. Peloton. Visit Peloton at one you need, whenever you need it. Find your push. Find your power. Peloton. Visit Peloton at onepeloton.ca. Okay, you'll have to forgive me. I don't know if I'm going to make it through the entire show today. Something happened about 10 minutes ago as I was coming downstairs to do the sheet. My son, who's home sick from school my 14 year old

oh hang on douchey hockey dad mode my 2010 my actually I want to get Zach aboard for this Zach Phillips hop on for this one because I want to see your reaction as well you don't have these moments like I do so here's what happened as I was making my way downstairs with my little water bottle and my notes and getting ready for the show. We're going to talk about trades.

Got the goalie round table. Carter Hutton's going to be here. Chris Mason's going to be aboard. Chat's always rocking. It's going to be fun. I was stopped in my tracks and I was made to feel very, very old by my 14 year old slash douchey hockey dad 2010 so he's getting right into hockey now like not just playing but like getting into like

a little bit getting into the history of it like he's right into the world juniors uh watches tons of like junior hockey OHL highlights always filling me on, did you see what Michael Mesa did? Did you see what Matthew Schaefer did? Like all of that, right? Like you were probably that kid too when you were 14 years old, right? Yeah. I'm guessing. I'm guessing.

Yeah. So he's sitting on the couch and he's on his phone and he says, Hey, Dad, is it true that Max Domi's dad played in the NHL? Oh, no. Like, I don't feel old enough already, TJ. Thanks, bud. Welcome to Sheet. We'll see if I make it through December 19th.

Here we go. Was Paul McCartney in a band before Wings? Max, don't we have a dad that played in the NHL? Welcome to the program. Glad to have you aboard today. A little bit of a goalie panel that played in the NHL. Pierre Olivier Joseph going back to Pittsburgh, which does, by the way, fit the MO. We'll just do this one quickly. That kind of fits the MO of what Cal Dubas is going for. The second chance guys in that sweet spot of age, around 23 to 25, see Glass, see Tomasino, and see Joseph as well. To which someone in Vegas, again, yesterday,

texted me after the deal. Wow, team brings brothers together to play on the same squad and then trades one right before Christmas. That's ruthless. Someone in Vegas really doesn't like when I refer to how they, and again, I say it as a compliment,

do business as ruthless. But again, I do say it as a compliment. We have a few things to get to here. Topics coming up in a couple of moments. We'll get the sheet run down here, and then we'll bring our guests aboard after we all have a whack at this piñata. Topics we'll be discussing today include

the Capo Caco trade, the Montreal-Nashville deal, and also, and this is a small thing, but I was going to do this in the intro, but then my son stopped me in my tracks. but I was going to do this in the intro, but then my son stopped me on my tracks. So I want to get this one in here really quickly. This is a clip from TNT last night,

Chris Chelios on the panel, asking about, being asked rather, about 91 in the rafters. On TNT last night was Red Wings and the Philadelphia Flyers. And part of the panel debate was this. I mean, for me, it's hard to believe. He was such a great teammate. I was there for two of the Cups with him.

He won three, but just the way he skated, he was stealth. He could carry the team. I played forward. He played Scott. He put him back on defense. He was just a natural and such a great kid. In the locker room, no one worked harder than him. He just, again, it's, again, not shocking that it's not there yet,

but I hope it gets in there and Sergey can get that jersey retired because he deserves it more than anybody. He had those white Nike skates. He looked so cool. Stealth. Stride. Effortless. Unbelievable.

Amazing. The hair, everything. Three cups. You know, there's one thing that I always wonder about in hockey is who's the fastest backwards skater? I can say with confidence. In that era, the best backwards skater wasn't a defenseman. It was Sergei Fedorov, who Scotty Bowman used to always say, if you wanted to play defense,

probably could have been an all-star defenseman back there. He would put him on the point occasionally, as we all know. So here's the deal. Here's why his number hasn't been retired. It's quite simple. The Illich family has a real problem with Sergei Fedorov. And there's a couple of things. There was a Carolina offer sheet, $38 million, which was a compuware Little Caesars issue, beef between the Illich's and the Carmanos' that wasn't just about the NHL. They were rivals in minor hockey. They were rivals in the Detroit area, Little Caesars and CompuAir, ran rival programs.

So there was that sidebar between Carolina and Detroit, but one of the big ones was when the Detroit Red Wings, this would have been 2003, the Detroit Red Wings thought they had a deal with Sergei Fedorov, and instead he took a deal for less money to go to the Anaheim Ducks, and the Red Wings felt betrayed. But the one thing that I've always said about Fedorov with the Detroit Red Wings is never lose sight of the fact that he risked his life to defect.

That was in the era where guys just don't get drafted and you have to pay off the KHL or pay off whomever to get the Russian kid into the program. He had to defect along with McGilney and along with Bure. These are people that put their lives and their family's health very much at risk. So I think we're all on the same page about this. Sergei Fedorov's number 91 should be raised to the rafters in Detroit.

But that is a, that one not just sounds personal, but is personal between the Illich family and Sergei Fedorov. I'm waiting for that thought. Will it ever happen? I mean, I think it's only, I don't want to say it's only a matter of time. I think it's a matter of public pressure as well. I think if enough Detroit Red Wings fans want it ever happen? I mean, I think it's only, I don't want to say it's only a matter of time. I think it's a matter of public pressure as well. I think if enough Detroit Red Wings fans want it to happen and are vocal about it

and don't let the issue drop, then I could see maybe, because there's like real hatred there, maybe, maybe they relent and we'll see number 91 to the rafters. Okay, in the meantime, Zach Phillips, let's begin with the Capo Caco trade here. And,

you know, this is one that sort of been brewing for a long time. I don't think it was just about the statements that he made about Peter Lavillette scratching him. But Capo Caco ends up with the Seattle crack and we'll get the Seattle side of things in a couple of moments. Will Borgen, a defenseman on an expiring contract,

goes the other way, a third and a sixth as well, to which, and I don't know whether it's just me, but I have a lot of snide people tweeting me all the time. And one manager tweeted, wow, between the Truba trade and the Kako trade, the Rangers sure have shored up their 6-7-D. Ouch! Ouch!

Ouch! I look at this one a couple of ways here. One, this is very low risk for Seattle and could have some significant upside for him. From the Rangers' point of view, this is a player who has arbitration rights

in the summer and then is one year away from being UFA. So those are the two motivations here we know the rain the rangers need some help um on the blue line uh with injuries and with depth so that does make sense a couple of people want to play clips from here um that have a couple of different perspectives on it which one are we going to start with today zach let's start with laz because i think laz has a more Rangers centric. And then I want to go to the other side.

They're both from morning cup of hockey. So we'll start, we'll, we'll preface that. It's both sides of morning cup of hockey, but you know, Jeff likes to, that's Vic's show.

I'm just going to start calling it Vic's show. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff likes to steal from the chat. I just like to steal from the show. I just take their content. I think that that's the best thing for us. But yeah, this is what Laz had to say this morning after about the Kako trade.

Listen, do I feel for Kako with how this thing ended? Yes, but Kako was the first one to talk about his performance. Like he knows he needed to play better to earn more minutes and earn more ice time. And then he also felt that the communication was lacking going into this year and that he had to buy into his third line role. I spoke to him directly about it. So people that are disagreeing with me, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. We had the conversation.

I wrote about it in a story last year. Peter Laviolette said, it's on me to find it with Capo Caco. I couldn't find it with him, and that's on me. And Capo Caco said about Peter Laviolette that they just, you know, they didn't have that eye-to-eye relationship and it just affected where Capo was in the lineup.

Okay. And then we have Colby went off. Colby's had a good week, a good couple of weeks for going off. Here's Colby Cohen on Morning Cup of Hockey, Vic's show talking about this deal and the value of capo caco at this point you didn't trade the second overall pick right you traded a guy with 330 games and 130 points and a guy struggling to get into the lineup and i i really he's not struggling to get into the lineup that's

that's a stretch of a comment i'm sorry well but but listen, as of late, he was a scratch. Then he did. He was playing a perfect third line role for this team. OK, but that's what he was when I. OK, so I rephrase it. Struggling to be a top six player in the National Hockey League. It's just not really happening. And I see everybody always been mismanaged.

He's been mismanaged. But it's just the reality is, it's like eventually you get off your label and your label is, you know, where you were drafted. Nobody cares about that anymore. That's a really good point. They're not trading the second overall draft pick. They're trading Capocacco because we do have a better indication of who this player actually is.

Sam Pollock, the legendary general manager of the Montreal Canadiens, used to always say, don't give up on a young player until you're 100% sure of who he is. And I'm guessing in the Rangers' mind, they are 100% sure of who Capocacco is. I want to grab a quick note here from the chat, which I think is a really important and I just lost it, of course. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Here it is. From D Early. Drury is not making trades that are not making the team better. He's making

trades to move players, maybe to clear cap space for a bigger deal. You know, it's interesting with the Nashville deal and the Rangers deal, because I don't think that this is a situation where Chris Drury trades capital and says, well, that's it. I'm taking the rest

of the week off and 11.59 Eastern today. We can't make moves anyway, so I'm putting my feet up and drinks are on me. I don't think that for one second. I think this is probably

the beginning of a lot of other moves, but this is the beginning of other moves. And I think that with Nashville as well with the Carrier deal, this is opening up space

to do something else. Everybody suspects it's the center. Any casual hockey observer who pays attention to Nashville for more than five minutes can figure out what the issue is there. So we all strongly suspect that is what Barry Trost is doing with the Nashville Predators. Yes. Jeff, can I ask you something about the Rangers one one though here because like i i the national one is a separate conversation like i would defer to you to hear about your opinion on it and stuff now i don't disagree with what colby is saying like i actually i fully understand my only counterpoint is like

did did his value not get to what it is because of not lack of development, but just handling of Kako the last two weeks? I'll say lack of development. All the things that I've been saying about the Buffalo Sabres, about lack of time in the American Hockey League, I will apply to Capo Kako. But this isn't just exclusive to Capo Kako with the New York Rangers as well. We all remember Vitaly Kratsev and what happened there and Leas Anderson and how things went south there as well with the New York Rangers.

Capo Caco is the name we're talking about right now, but this isn't exclusive just to him. I know I've been barking a lot about Buffalo and I keep saying I'm going to stop talking about Buffalo and New York and here we are again talking about both these teams. But again, show me the players that were hurt by spending time in the American Hockey League to develop. Yeah.

No, that's fair. But like, again, I guess kind of what I'm saying is like, that's the bigger issue, right? Like that's the precursor to why we got to this point. But do you think there's any credence to that? Like, why did this happen the last two weeks? It's a great point too too, because, listen, I can recall, I mean, I think we all can,

going into that draft, okay, and that was the 2019 draft that was Vancouver. Going into that one, it was like the debate was legitimate. Who's going to be

the better player, Jack Hughes or Capo Caco? And we all had a lot of fun with, you know, Devils fans sending out the tweets last night about Vancouver and the New Jersey Devils take Jack Hughes or Capo Caco. And we all had a lot of fun with, you know, you know, devil's fans sending out the tweets last night about Vancouver and the New Jersey devil to take Jack Hughes. The Rangers fans are cheered. Yeah,

that means we, but that's because he was so highly thought of. Like he looked fantastic. As a matter of fact, I remember that summer when I was working with Elliot, we were at the NHL players tour. Then it was in Chicago and we interviewed Henrik Lundqvist. And one of the first things I said to him is how does the Capo Kako kid look?

How does Kako look? And he's like, this kid is fantastic. This kid's amazing. Like he's got a lot of things to learn in the NHL, but this guy's like, this guy's going to be a star. This guy's like a fantastic player. You can already see it. And everybody was saying that. I know the NHL is a tough league. And I know it's a really hard transition to to get into the nhl and actually do something but this guy was i never want to say that someone just can't miss because you can always miss things happen in your life

but this guy was looking like as can't miss as as anybody in that draft he was looking great somewhere along the way and it wasn't as if he wasn't given chances because he was put on some good lines and some lines up the lineup as well. It just never worked. Now, for the Seattle Kraken, I think you're thinking to yourself, okay, you know what? We did well with Daniel Sprong. You know what?

We did well with Eli Tolvanen. Maybe, again, the arrogance of the GM, just get him into our program and we can find that player again. We can find the good player that's inside that those other organizations weren't able to unlock. Again, I look at it as low risk.

I look at- You want to know what our good buddy Wish said about it when he tweeted yesterday? I thought it was funny. I just thought, I look at, you want to know what our good buddy wish said about it when he tweeted yesterday. I thought it was funny. I just thought about it. What did he say? Uh,

Ron Francis acquiring a Ford with strong underlying numbers, but little in the way of tangible offensive results makes me nostalgic for his time as hurricanes GM. I just thought it was funny. As you said that there, yeah. Uh, every Tuesday with,

uh, Greg machine. See how's the chat handling this one, by the way see how's the chat handling this one by the way how's the chat taking this one um chat uh uh kind of on either side here about just the handling of everything and wanting caco out and where they were at and in terms of whether or not they were ready for him to move on and what the return was it's it's i know that's the most vague answer that I could have given you right there. But yeah, that's the state of the chat, which I think is fair.

I think that's kind of the state of everybody's opinions on this one right now. All right, we're going to get our guests aboard here coming up in a couple of minutes. Zach, let me know when the two goaltenders, Mason and Hutton, are aboard here. So a couple of things from today to go over as well. Today is the birthday for the NHL on this day in 1917.

There's also another birthday we're going to talk about. Actually, two other birthdays we're going to talk about here in a couple of seconds when our friends join us. Carrier for Justin Barron is an interesting one. And when we had Pierre Maguire on last week, you'll recall he talked about going to Laval a lot and seeing a lot of the defensemen for Laval and the guys that are close to being ready.

This is a really smart move, I think, for the Montreal Canadiens who really start to shore up and right-hand shot more of a veteran, add some salary cap, but still, to their team. I asked Pierre, we talked about it last week, and he's talked about the players that were close but not quite there yet, ready to take that jump. And I texted him this afternoon, and he said, the closest guy is Logan Mayhew

he said if Reinbacher was not hurt he'd be second best both right shots Logan could be playing in the NHL now only weakness is his down low coverage from the hash marks to the icing line and then to the slot he'll be a good first pass defenseman excellent second power play guy

for sure I think Logan is being groomed properly by spending extra time in the American Hockey League smart move by Montreal to do this. So I know that it isn't a season. This isn't the season the Montreal Canadiens wanted. I think we all thought, Montreal thought, Kent, Marty, Jeff all thought that this was going to be a different year where they started to take more steps. Understand that things don't always go the way that you plan them. But there's still some good players and specifically defensemen on the horizon for the Montreal Canadiens.

I think we're all sort of scratching our heads that, you know, Carrier was just signed five minutes ago in July. As a matter of fact, a free agency opened by the National Predators and then he's moved. So this is not the last move from Barry Trotz, just as this is not the last move from Chris Drury, General Manager

of the New York Rangers. So let's bring the goalie panel aboard. We have Chris Mason from the Bag Chuckers podcast, which we're going to get to in a couple of seconds. And then we're going to welcome the birthday boy, Carter Hutton, aboard. Okay, first of all, Carter, you share birthdays with who? With who? Someone tweeted at me today.

Now it's, I don't know who another player too no way Willie who was just traded and I'm sure someone's told you this along the way December 19th 1917 was the first game in the NHL you share a birthday

with the National Hockey League how does that make you feel card you did not know that no one's ever told you honestly jeff i'm telling you every time i have a conversation with you you teach me something new the other guy i was matt staging someone tweeted today yes and i i played with will borgen in buffalo so that's uh we never got to celebrate together i don't want birthdays anymore maceace, how are you doing, my man? I know you're probably in the same boat as me. Oh, good, buddy.

I want to decline. I want to decline birthdays. Yeah, we don't need them. Guys don't need them. But as far as I'm concerned, Carter Hutton is the NHL, okay? Yes. That's right. You share a birthday with the NHL.

You are the NHL. Real quickly, bag truckers, you and Hal Gill, Mace, and with that, I want to ask both you guys, I mean, everyone has their favorite defense, and they've always played with a defender in front of them that just brains are symbiote and everything works.

Mace, we'll start with you. Your favorite defenseman to play with was who? If you're looking for flexible workouts, Peloton's got you covered. Summer runs or playoff season meditations, whatever your vibe, Peloton has thousands of classes built to push you.

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and skills he's definitely one of those guys who would just like, he wants to almost like make the save more than you do, but you're like, buddy, just give me that one. That's an easy shot. I'm going to pad my stats here. So just let that one go,

but you can take the backdoor one if you can. Okay. But no skills. He was definitely one of them. Jay McKee was another guy I played with in St. Louis. I just love play with him because, you know,

especially guys, I think for goalies that were like just deadly, like penalty killers. I think you really like those guys. But my ultimate favorite I think would have to be Shea Weber because as Hudson knows, that guy can do it all. And he's a great guy off the ice too. He's just, he's the total package.

So I'd have to put Fuffy, Shea Weber as number one. I'm glad you mentioned Jay key, by the way, one of my favorite shot blockers of all. I'm just savage. Wonderful coach of the Bulldogs and the OHL. Anyway, um, Hutz,

your, uh, your favorite defender to, to play with. I, you know, we played for a few of the same guys and, you know,

obviously Shea's up there at the way he played, you know, who I love playing with. Who's kind of a random thought was Anton Volchenkov. He was with another shot blocker, another shot, every shop blockers oh but he would come off and he would be just disheveled every shift like his hair was out he had he had water on his visor there's ice everywhere and he was an absolute beauty so i loved him and but i think my all-time favorite guy would have to be jay boehmeister just getting a chance to play with him in st louis the way that

he just made the game so easy for me and predictable and the way and especially I was I like to handle the puck a lot too so anytime he was on the ice I made sure just to get it anywhere near him and I knew was getting skated out of the zone and he's just I think that unit I had in Nashville so fortunate and then in St. Louis that year I was there the year after they got rid of me and then Binnington came up and that's when they won Cup. But that back end just made my life so easy. Smooth, smooth skater. Okay, so the topic of the day is still the topic from last night and the fumes sort of ride into today.

Capo Caco goes to the Seattle Kraken. Our birthday boy, Will Borgen, along with the NHL, and Carter Hutton goes the other way, a third and a sixth. Carter, we'll start with you. Your initial thoughts on this one from from both teams point of view you know i obviously i caught kobe zach this morning you know talking about it and just what had gone on with kako and and the fact of the matter is you know i had a chance to watch the rangers firsthand i was at the game on the weekend i had my family in new york city we watched them play the la kings and the the easiest way for me to describe that team was just disconnected. You know,

they just felt like there was just so much disconnection in their lineup and the way that they were playing, right? When I'm watching LA team looked well-groomed, right? They're reloading on four checks, every guy F2, they're reading off each other so well. And it just felt like there was a little bit of a lag, right? And we know how far that can go when it comes to the NHL. And when I watched Capo Caco's game out there he has the tools he has the skill set and i understand why he ended up getting you know moved out of new york in the sense of they know what he's capable of but it doesn't seem to be working right and how long is it's gonna just wait on this and i i think it just got to a boiling point with the way things were going in new york so i i guess maybe that's my perspective from the

way out i still think he has a lot of potential, but at times, you know, maybe it's a change of scenery. That's really going to help this younger player who, when you go to the media and you say those kinds of things, those are, those are hard things to turn back from an organization, especially in a game where we still do honor the fact of like, it's a man's game and what gets said behind closed doors usually stays there. So for him to go out and say that, I think at times is a little bit of shot at the confidence the team has him and what he has for the New York Rangers. Chris? Yeah, I think we just actually, the Predators just played the Rangers, and I'm thinking about that game.

And you have two teams kind of in similar situations. Obviously, the Rangers got off to a good start, but they've been struggling lately. And I'm sure you guys have covered all the drama around there, but I didn't even notice Kako almost the entire game. They were playing hard, but like Hutz said, they were completely disconnected. They were working their butt off.

You know, they were chipping pucks in. They were shooting for everything. They had guys at the net. They were trying to do everything they could, but it just didn't connect. There was no great plays. There was no real synchronicity in their game. And for a guy like Kakko, those guys, their goal scores,

I know he's on the third line right now, but at the end of the day, when you're a skill guy, that's something necessarily that's not going to sit with you right. And it's become obviously, I think, stale there. And when you reach a certain point with a player that was as highly touted as he was and it hasn't really materialized i think the best thing for both and when you start making comments in the media especially in new york you get asked those questions every single

day it's different than playing in nashville as huts knows you go to a big market and buffalo and all those types they're asking you every single day that's the that's the hot button topic at all just get them out of there get them a fresh start they got a good you know they addressed one of their other needs they got a good D man in him and you know so I think that it's probably the best thing for both so hopefully he can rekindle because the kid's full of talent he's just

it's all up here right now I think for him let me ask you about that game one thing real quick that Nashville New York Ranger game I'm going to just call him the Cors monster uh luke shen's six shots in three seconds was one of the weirdest coolest awesomest things i've ever seen yeah well now they count them all now they yeah that would have been accounted for like two shots back in the day now that's like you can zoom i did i was watching the game i didn't even

realize that covering the game and i saw the replay quickly i did not realize until the next day on social media so thanks to x or whatever mace that is now that would have been one of those ones where we would come to the bench after and uh you know we would talk about it right like as goalie partners right like i may should be i'd be on the bench you'd come be like he just had four shots on me and they gave me one right that'd be one of the days oh yeah like what the heck what the you know you'd be you'd be like and we'd vent to each other about it so it's nice that it got caught and it got some play on social media and for luke shen they just patting his numbers they're all on the backhand too uh yeah and just pounding just pounding away just you

know it's funny i mentioned like complaining about shots too So I don't want to say who the goalie is, but there was one goaltender that you guys both know in the Ontario Hockey League who was convinced that at home the official scorer was undercounting shots on net and it was affecting his save percentage. So what he did is he paid a kid a hundred bucks to actually sit there and count shots for him because he thought it was going to hurt his draft stock that his save percentage wasn't high enough so he paid a kid a hundred bucks every single game to get the real number

of shots does does that surprise you when you think about the nature of goaltenders especially in their draft year no i guess for me that's like i yeah sorry i think even sometimes there was times in the nhl where we had different arenas i felt like i don't know if you felt this way mace you would go to a certain rink and you knew it was going to be shot night it was like man i wish i played in this rink i remember i i felt like doug armstrong did that i think he used to undermine us i felt like was, there'd be nights where it's like, I easy had 30 shots at the end of the game. I had 24 or you go,

I go watch another team play and they had so many shots. Right. And it always was because it is, it mattered. Right. You tried not to get, I tried to like compartmentalize that part of my game. Right.

Cause I felt when I was in the American league, I would watch stats and be like, so worried about it. I'd be like calculating my save percentage while I'm trying to play a game. And I think it was so unhealthy for my development, but it is something that's so important. And as I matured, I learned to just say what it is, what it is.

But Mace, I'm sure you can touch on this, but in the NHL, I felt there were certain arenas where you got way more shots than you were given. Oh, well, if you go into Florida, you're guaranteed 40 shots. Like it doesn't matter. Like they count everything. Like there's some that used to not count. Like if it was an icing or like from the other end and it was on net, it wouldn't

count just because it's not a shot. So like goalies know, like if it's going to go on the net, now they go back and like, they get all the hits, they get the face offs, they get the goals, but it's like a guy like getting, I don't know, 17 goals or 20 goals. I mean, that's a, that's a huge difference. And every single goalie will know exactly what you're talking about because you know the shots on goal and, you know, you can't quite keep track of it. But that's a smart – what did the kid get compared to – Jeff, I'd be interested.

The kid got 100 bucks. What that kid got compared to the – what was it? Oh, 100 bucks and there was always more shots. There was always, always more. Always more shots. Exactly. Always more shots. But if you ask as more shots. Exactly. Always more shots. But if you ask as a goalie, you're like, Hey, like, like players go, I think I touched

that. I should've got the assist on that. Okay. Let me check the thing. Me and Hutz go in there. I actually, I think I got three more shots. Remember that one icing in the second base? Get the hell out of here.

You idiot. Yeah. But, uh, every goalie knows exactly what you're talking about for sure there's uh jessica l in the jessica l in the chat says this happens with hits a lot too yes uh specifically with the new york islanders i'm sure both you guys would go in there and say like casey sezikis would like look someone's way and get like credit for three hits you know clutterbuck would like bounce off a guy and that'd be like four hits um for whatever reason they always love to to fluff up the numbers there um the big picture when you look at the caco trade is and you guys sort of touched on it as well um it's the new

york rangers and and and what is what is happening with the new york rangers this is not the way it was supposed to go. This is like, let me, let me read a quote for you. This is from Vincent Trocek when he's asked about the recent trade. So Troubault was a big deal, as we all know, and that goes back to last summer and now the Capo Caco deal.

And we suspect there are more on the horizon. This is what Vincent Trocek had to say. I've been in the league for 12 years. I've seen a lot of trades happen. I've been on some really good teams where a few things happen. I've been in the league for 12 years. I've seen a lot of trades happen. I've been on some really good teams where a few things happen and I've been on some really bad teams where there's turnover. It seems like every day, obviously for cap and Jake as people, I love both those guys. You never want to see a friend go, but also we're losing games right now. Chris Drury has a job. He just can't sit there and let us continue to lose and do nothing.

His job is on the line as well. He's doing what he can do to put the right guys in the ice and make the right moves that he thinks are going to help us win hockey games. Yeah, it's sad. But at the same time, you've got to win hockey games if you want to keep everybody in this locker room. Chris, we'll start with you. As a player, does that statement from Trochak resonate with you? It does on two sides. It's because I can understand where they're coming from

on both sides of the equation here. It's desperate measures when you get in a situation like the Rangers in a market like that, and you have to make those kind of moves. But one thing that I didn't like about that whole situation is, you know, when you sign somebody and, you know, he's your captain and you give him your word that you're going to have a no-move clause or whatever his situation was exactly, and he doesn't want to do it, and then you say, well, you know, there's a way around this. We're going to put you on waivers and then it's whoever takes you.

It's up to the mercy of the waiver situation. I get it. But I also get why Drury is going to do that because he's got to make moves. He needs to unload salary. He needs to, you know, make a change if they want to go in a different direction. But I also feel, you know, if you're in that situation which huts will tell you ownership they're not always you know men of their words they'll tell you one thing and then when the day comes when they're like uh i know i told you this before but you know we're in a tough situation so

you kind of got to go and you kind of got to be a good team guy about it it's not i mean his girlfriend is there or his wife i think is you know, they have a life there. She's a doctor, you know, all those types of things. I mean, so I understand where Drury's coming from. I understand the team wants to win. I get it. But I think it needs to be worked out the right way. I don't personally think that was the right way.

Kakos trade, yeah, trade him. You know, if that's not working out, he's fully, you know, accessibly be traded. You know, make a change in that way but i i don't personally agree with the way the uh truba one but that's just me card yeah i i guess there's two sides of it right there's the fact of the matter i think the way it was handled in the summer could have been better it could have been laid out a little easier or maybe truba and truba you know decided to you know he has that no movement he's earned that right but I always find it comical almost to the sense for you Mace and I know we've been through this we've

talked about it does GM put you know no movement clause and they find ways around it they find ways to to hose you out of it but the other fact of the matter is I think sometimes from the outside looking in people don't realize there's like a human factor to it right I always joke around with younger kids at our goalie camps in the summer where they're like oh i traded for you on nhl 22 or whatever game they're playing and i always laugh because it's like it's it's not it's not real life to the fans right it's just like we're just like this commodity that comes and goes and you and you touched on it there mace talked about your family and i always remember that like you know mace we both bounced around in our careers we went you had to kind of go where the work was right especially for me i

always joked i was like an independent contractor. I was good enough to be there, but not good enough to stay, right? I always kind of got priced out by the younger guy coming. And then we'd move, right? And now you start a family and you have to get new pediatricians and all the things that come with it.

But then on the other side of it, I get where Vince and Trochak's coming from, right? This is the cross you bear. Like we chose this lifestyle. We chose to be professional hockey players. This is what comes with it. And I always remember in jose they had uh on the wall a mural saying like to those lots that is given lots is expected right and i i think that is something that hits home when trocek talks so the fact of the matter is at the end of the day if you're not going to win hockey

games and what's expected of you there's going to be changes and there's going to things that are going to come that are inconvenient to the group and to your friendships and what comes with it but this is the life we chose you chose to be a professional hockey player if you're's going to things that are going to come that are inconvenient to the group and to your friendships and what comes with it. But this is the life we chose. You chose to be a professional hockey player. If you're not going to get the job done, you're going to move on. And I think that's something I made peace with in my career was the fact that I knew my name was getting scraped off and someone was, you know, going to come in. But I agree with you, Mace. They sometimes what's said to your face and what actually goes on behind closed doors changes. And that, I guess, the side of the business that isn't the best part, but you know, it's what comes with it.

You know, um, in the movie, the Godfather, we always hear the great line, you know, make you an offer. I'll make you an offer. You can't refuse. I'll make him an offer. You can't refuse. That's, that's the line to me, the best line from the Godfather is kind of something that you just kind of quoted there, Carter. And that is, this is the business we chose. I always got to remind myself of this one. And then when it comes to it, because it's interesting, Chris, like you mentioned the Jacob Truba situation wasn't handled properly. To me, I always find it,

I don't like it when teams approach players to waive a no trade or a no move because the offer is this. Give me something in exchange for nothing. Do me a favor, but I won't do you a favor. And I think this one can be kind of solved quickly and it has to be negotiated in the CBA. But do you think situations like this would be a lot smoother if you could?

And I know the NHL doesn't like money outside of the system. But for the good of the game and the health of the relationship between players and ownership, if you could compensate a player for waiving their no trade or no move, would a lot of these issues go away? Like you go to Jacob Trubin, maybe it's a percentage of the contract, or maybe it's a fixed number. Maybe if it's a percentage, maybe you're arguing or maybe,

I don't know how you massage it. But if you go to Jacob Trubin and say, look, we want you in the summer to waive your no move clause to go to Anaheim and we're prepared to give you one and a half million dollars to do it. Would that smooth things over? Because right now, all you're saying is,

we want you to waive your no trade in exchange for nothing. That's not a business deal. That's you give me charity and I'm going to benefit because that's the proposition. I personally, I think that's a phenomenal idea. I mean, that definitely would in that situation. You're like, you know what? This sucks.

I don't want to move. I don't want to be where somebody doesn't want me in the first place but if a guy's intent on staying there and he's got his life there and he wants to stay and the gm signed a no move clause with this player well he should be able to stay there i get there's a way around it but that would definitely you know be a situation where and you could do it so it's off the cap it's like coaches aren't on the cap, and you could do it. So it's off the cap. It's like coaches aren't on the cap and all the extra curricular things. So it's a separate thing. It's like, if you waive your no move clause to go wherever your no trade or go off your 10 team list or whatever it is, here's what you get. You get a million, you get based on your salary,

based on whatever, or it's a standard number. I mean, I definitely think that, you know, that's something I was never good enough to ever earn a no trade or no move clause. But if I was, I'd be like, no, I don't want to go. But then they're like, well, you get a million or a million point five. I'd be like, eh, let me think about that again. I might, I might, I might go off the 10 team and make it a 32 team list. If you need to. We might, we might, we might sandbag down and try to get on that list.

They make a few extra bucks. I actually like this idea a lot, right? It obviously would have to be. That's great. I guess maybe to play devil's advocate in the sense of like if the GM signs a bad deal, right? Now he's paying for it. Now he has this opto clause.

Well, what happens to the player when he signs an eight-year deal like a Roman Yossi deal when I remember playing with Yossi and he was making four million dollars and he was like one of the best defensemen in the league can I circle back around and be like you know you made that mistake I made a mistake where's my opt-out clause right so I get that I know that's never going to happen but there's always that side of it and I do like the idea because I just think it's cleaner right I think there's a sense of well now we've made I guess for Jacob True but like if you know it's coming you could kind of try to save face during this whole scenario i think this could have been handled better just from a pr and just for the player for the fans through everybody and i think that maybe grants the

option right but again i i guess sometimes when i circle back to money all the time it it makes people from the outside looking in they just think we're like greedier than we are, right? Again, we talk about the All-Star game, giving out a million dollars. And I have so many of my buddies be like, you have to get paid a million dollars to come play in an All-Star game to try to get guys going, right? So there's always that happy medium of like optics, I guess, of it. If it's something, a little bit of a cap workaround you could do,

I think it makes it interesting, that's for sure. So Randy Workman in our chat says, Rangers handled the Trouba situation really bad. Why would players want to go there? My response is always, it's New York. Like you get a chance to live in New York and play with the Rangers. Can you explain the, if you agree with that,

can you guys, Chris, we'll start with you, the allure of playing in the Big Apple? You want to play in those situations. And look, we touched on it, I think, Chris, we'll start with you, the allure of playing in the Big Apple. You want to play in those situations. And look, we touched on it, I think, before where you understand where Drury's coming from. I don't necessarily love how that went down. I'm glad Trouba came out with it and told all the details because had he not, we don't necessarily know what goes down. And I think now in this day and age with all the media and the podcasts and everything, you get a lot more information that you wouldn't get back in the day. But you want to go to New York.

I mean, it was done. You know, they wanted to move out the contract. They wanted to move on. They want to get younger. It's part of the business. We know, as Hutz said, we would do, you know, guys with concussions and all this kind of stuff. That's a whole different topic. But I'd do everything over, again, a million times,

knowing all the risks, knowing all the stuff that you have to deal with, all the lies that are told to you, all the everything. This is something that anybody would do. And to your point, the allure of playing every single night in Madison Square Gardens, putting on – That's one of those jerseys. I remember putting on a Team Canada jersey, and I had a reaction, like a physical, like, oh my God, I cannot believe I'm putting on this jersey

to play hockey and representing my country. That's that kind of jersey. With the history there, with the city, with the arena. I imagine you put on a jersey like that, you just have, that's's a dream even a dream upon a dream so any player they give the chance to go to the rangers and huts you know like you probably heard of everybody they treat you like you're everything you have the best at everything they're there to win stanley cups every year and obviously now you have to develop and

you have to sometimes rebuild a little bit like that. They might be right now, but that is one of the ultimate organizations. It's like a Canadian playing for the Leafs or whoever their favorite team is. That's the cream of the crop. So I don't think anybody because of this situation, that'll deter them from going to the Rangers. If you're looking for flexible workouts, Peloton's got you covered. Summer runs or playoff season meditations, whatever your vibe, Peloton has thousands of classes built to push you.

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i don't think it's going to deter people from going there there's always that ugly side of business right especially the hockey side of it and every team has a little bit of trades that went wrong or guys that went out i think earlier in your career maybe we i i has a funny story that comes up when we talk about this i remember playing in the american league with alex stalock he was my goalie partner i was his backup um it was a year he got stepped on he was out for a year so we became good buddies we used to joke around about would you take a 10 year contract right now for a hundred thousand dollars a year? And at that point, I believe I was making $45,000, right. Playing the American league. And I was like, yeah, like, of course I would. That's unbelievable. Cause I was this guy that just kind of made it

like, you know, last minute. And I thought this was like, like 10 years at a hundred K. I was like, boys, I'm going to be like the richest guy in my neighborhood. And then looking, looking back on it now, right. It's like, but I think it's all perspective and experience. And then as I start to grow, I'm like, I would play for any NHL team. I would go. And then all of a sudden now I have a few good years. I remember Mace. I think Mace was more of my agent when I left Nashville. I would talk to him all the time being, you know, trying to figure out where I'm going to go and what I'm going to do.

I went to St. Louis two years and now all of a sudden, now I'm negotiating with Buffalo and i have all these teams and now i'm figuring out you know what team's going to give me the best term where's the best to raise a family and now i'm being all selective in this process i think your perspective changes as you age too as you earn the right to do that but i think early in your career majority of players i know it's changed a little bit now these younger guys are a little more have a little more arrogance i don't think arrogance is the right word, but confidence in there, you know, they come right in and they,

and they don't have that fear of the NHL. It's okay. I guess so. It's legit. Like there's, I don't think they've also got like, they've also got like teams around them. Like they've got like a,

like a management group instead of just an agent that like, it's, it's a whole different world. Like we, we have no idea how it's, and it's like, it's a, it's a machine.

I think now. Yeah, for sure. Right. a machine, I think, now. For sure, right? And when we stepped in, we were scared to step out of line. So I think it changes as you get older, for sure. That would be my perspective of it. Let me ask about one goaltender in specific. And Carter, this is someone that you played with in Buffalo.

Right now, Linus Allmark is channeling the ghost of Terry Sawchuck. He has been phenomenal for the Ottawa Senators. And I think we've all looked at him and said, you know, the skill is elite. I love his personality. There's so many things about him that I love his interviews. I love that thing that he does. Carter, you must have seen this a million times where he gets on the ice and he does one push. He puts his head down and he just sort of coasts to the net.

I'm sure you've – I don't know why, but every time I see that, like I just giggle. I'm like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Like I love this guy. Right now, he's feeling it. The puck is a watermelon. It's a cantaloupe coming at him. He is seeing everything. you played with him huts uh i want both your thoughts on incredible start with you since you were you were a duo with him

in buffalo your thoughts on lenis allmark so i'm a big big fan of lenis allmark so i i think the biggest roadblock in his career was just his off ice being misunderstood he's not your traditional hockey guy he's not this he's a little bit quirky and i feel like at times at buffalo when i signed in buffalo jason botter one of the main conversations was year one i was going to play 50 55 plus games that was the plan protect lenis help him out and then i was going to help kind of get him into a starter never really worked out for lenis i think just team in general there but he was a quirky guy he was a guy that said stuff at the wrong time and just didn't really understand total like things to do on and off

the rink the yes and no's and i think as he matured and as he got into it i think to change a culture for him going to boston where he had that veteran pedigree of winners and you know there's some non-negotiables in locker rooms like that compared to buffalo really helped him mature his on ice game was never in doubt. This was a goalie that I couldn't hold a candle to. And I would say this a lot of time, and I got to play with Pekka Rennie, who I think is one of the best goalies ever. I truly believe, I think Linus Allmark manages the game better than Pekka

because I think at times Pekka can be busy and chases the game a little bit. So when he's busy, he almost like that feeds his fire. Where with Linus, this guy's edge work control the way he reads the game is like effortless so for me i was always impressed because i get 14 shots in the game mace i don't know how you were but jeff i would lose six seven eight pounds right i would just be busy and i'd have to work and work and work where lenis he just manages the game so well and and i think his progression in ottawa i saw coming in a sense of there's a little bit of decompression right you sign that big contract you move your family to a Canadian city,

and now he's finding his game. And I think you're going to see a confident Ottawa Senators team with a goalie like that between the pipes for him. I don't know your read on that, Mace, but I love his game and I always have. Well, it's funny that you say that he's quirky because I watched when he arrived in Ottawa, they showed him going. It was in the summer after he signed, he was going to meet the trainers and everybody.

And he's, he just seemed like a quirky, like kind of a funny guy. Like you like being around him. I mean, who knows? I don't know, but that was just my impression of something like, I actually kind of like this guy. I didn't really know much about him, but you know, as a goaltender, you always think of a guy going from like Boston, right? Like that's where if I'm a goalie and I want like

a lot of wins, good success, the team that just knows how to play around you, Boston is the team. So my identifier of a goalie that's really good is like, okay, get outside of Boston and let's see if you can still play. And he went to Ottawa and I think the team got off to a little bit of slow start. There was a lot of controversy. There was a lot of guys that was Brady could Chuck a good leader and all this kind of you know you you know how canada is you you're finding things to talk about is lenis allmark the answer and all this kind of stuff he settled in now and i think now you appreciate especially with the team that's really struggled with goaltending being one of their uh x factors every single year we don't have the goaltending

we got to get a guy let Let's get this guy in. All right, let's bring these. We'll have these two guys and they'll battle. But now I think you're seeing, to Hutt's point, about the quietness of his game, but the efficiency, the power. He's one of those guys that just, he's always in the right spot.

And you're talking about Pecorine, a guy that he'd make the incredible save. He's a super athlete. I mean, the guys guys there's not many people on the planet that can play like him but you know you're you put a guy like lenis allmark or uc soros is a smaller guy but guys that are so technical they're always in the right spot they make the game and the position look easy which uh as we know it's the most difficult thing and when i'm doing it and like hud said you get 14 50 14, 15 shots. I'm like, I'm mentally like,

oh my God, I got to do this. I got to jump over here. I'm like, oh my God, I overcommitted on this. I got to like dive back over here. But these guys, but that's as a goaltender and as you know, a goalie nerd, you just appreciate those guys because it's the way that they are able to anticipate,

handle situations that maybe don't go so well. There's spatial awareness or where they are in the net, in the crease. They just get up to the post and it's a half push here, half push there. But I think Ottawa, they definitely got a good one in Ulmark. That's interesting about a goalie's goalie. We always look at, like I used to always look at Marian Hossa, for example, and go like, yeah, you know what? That's like a player's player.

Like the old saying, you can't give a great player a bad pass. We saw players throw pucks and skates behind him, never break stride, took every pass. Everything he did was like, he was like Lidstrom but a winger, like perfect. Everything was ideal, right? Who's that goaltender for you guys? Like goalies, goalie. One of the great things that I heard about, and I actually talked to Jake Allen about this,

and he said, no, I never put on the Bruins jersey, but I was pretty close to it. But that's a line that I wouldn't cross. During the 2019 Stanley Cup final, Jake Allen, although Jordan Binnington was the guy that won the Stanley Cup with the St. Louis Blues, and Jake Allen was the backup, in practice, I mean, he was so proficient at mimicking the movement patterns of Tuca Rask

that he would play as Tuca Rask in practice in order to give St. Louis Blues shooters an advantage because in practice, they were used to someone who was mimicking all those movement patterns and when I heard that I was like like how how good a goaltender do you have to be to be able to mimic someone like that especially someone like Tuka Rask but when I say goalies goalie who comes to your mind because forwards forward is like marion osa who's a goalie's goalie carter will start with you i i guess for me you know and obviously i i got a chance jake is a very smart goalie i got a chance to play with him for a few years and jimmy course he was the goalie coach of

the times a lot of times i would go to we'd have like sessions jimmy and jake and jake would be teaching me stuff about my game that i didn't even know so he that's how good he was at his but for me if i had to say a goalies goalie, a guy I played against that I just think resembled everything I wanted to be and wasn't was Cary Price. He was a guy that could just manage the crease. He was so efficient at times, but then he was so athletic too. He could kind of do it all. He was so well-rounded. I've always been a big fan of goalies, like guys that compete and are athletic, like Jonathan Quick. I loveco andre flurry but a guy that i just when i would just get a chance to play against carrie price or watch his game how easy he made it look and knowing how hard it was to actually

do at the nhl level and to still have that athletic ability so that would be the guy for me well you know one of the one of the just as a quick aside one of the things that i always admired about carrie price is i never saw a goaltender put himself in position to be interfered with better than Carey Price. You know, that's an art. You guys played now. It is a real art to be able to get into position to make it look like someone else has initiated contact on you. To me, Carey Price was like a Picasso at that one Chris your thoughts who was your goalies goalie well I'll touch on price I think there's like certain guys that come

along that like change the trajectory of what goaltending is and I think Kerry Price was one of those guys he was so technical yet like Hutt said he had the ability to get out of his structure and he was just so calm i i think when he was first came in the league he's obviously a young guy right at a junior went down i think it was in hamilton won the you know the american league championship and then came up and you know he he did some special things that's rare as a goaltender to be able to come in and be able to handle that pressure especially in a city like montreal as a canadian kid i mean there's not many people on the planet that can do what he did.

And he changed because I remember going home to skate every single summer. And that's kind of when the league started changing the way that you played goal. And I was going with some of the guys that he trained with. I trained with him in the summer a few times. It's always like, you know, when you're like, you're down and then it's all the edge work and all this kind of stuff. And then goalies became robotic after that. But Carey Price was never that he had the ability to get out of there and make athletic saves. And, you know, if he had to dive across, he could do that. But I would say that the goalies goalie for me now would be, and this is maybe a little, uh, pro

where I work now, but I think UC Soros is probably the most technical, perfect goaltender that I've ever seen. I'd put Andre Vasilevsky in a different category, but a goalie that I saw that I was like, oh my God, I'm like, how does this guy that's as big as Vasilevsky able to be so composed, so technical, yet if he needs to get like a Pecorino

or somebody that big, he can contort his body in ways that you've never seen before it's just there's certain guys that when you look at and they're just they just blow your mind but sorrows is the other way where it's not always spectacular it's he's never out of his save when a goal goes in you're like ah he could have had that and then i go back and i watch the thing i'm like this is a backdoor play it went off his defenseman it went to the back door and he almost got there but it went off his gloves so you're like oh he should have had that you know so and i get to see him every single day and i think he's probably the most

technically sound goalie that i've ever witnessed in the history of the game um hot so i don't know if you were there when he was there or not but i remember seeing him training camp i think you might have been there because i just i just retired from uh germany came back and i saw him in camp i'm like oh my god i said i wish i had to learn how to play goal like he did because he's yeah that's why i ended up in st louis did that to me that's why i ended up in st louis we'll trade you in the summer or whatever but uh anyway he's he's my guy just because i get to see him every night so i i really can't pick anyone else this is yeah you're not wrong there he was something else uh you know the thing of the thing about him too is we've always focused on the size

or perhaps lack thereof and you know the the one point that someone made to me about Saros is he legitimately has to make every save. When you're a large goaltender, a lot of, to be blunt, accidental saves happen just because you're big. UC Saros has to make every save. There's no accidental saves for UC Saros. You look at the save stat like he made all of them it wasn't like oh i'm just big and it went off my butt or my hip and i just happened to be large

and it bounced off my son of that it's none of that for you throw in uh the small goalie dustin wolf i i saw that kid i'm like great right you know what i'm like this this kid is got something and there's there's gonna it's a copycat league they're gonna go because huts you know this you're you and i were about the same size sorrows is the same category as us you went away from guys you're like okay look at all these athletes they're six three they're this they're that and and uh jeff to your point like yeah pucks hit you and these guys are incredible athletes but are you the best goalie are you over are you overlooking a guy because he's 5 11 or six foot and now you get a guy like dustin wolf which you know i heard a lot about this kid i'm like oh how good can this kid be and then i saw him live

i'm like oh my god i'm like this kid he's legit he's legit so there's other guys out there that are going to get opportunities because of him uh real quick we got about 30 seconds uh matt murray's officially been called up by the toronto maple Leafs, has not played a game of hockey going back to April 20, 23. Both of you guys are smiling because I know like, yeah, you got back into the NHL. Final thought on Matt Murray Carter.

We'll start with you. I love it. I'm a Thunder Bay boy. He's from Thunder Bay. We train in the summertime together. And I was on earlier this year on TSN at one point. Then I, and I went on a thing.

I thought he's back and it's the best I've seen him. He worked a lot on his mobility and his training, and I'm excited for him. He's a guy that has it between the ears. Now it's just a matter of physically being able to do it. Chris? I love second chances. These are great stories.

No better market than Toronto when they got their thing going on. I'm cheering for Matt. Oh, and he's playing against the Buffalo Sabres. Oh, just to add another uh log on the fire tap in storyline or is it uh guys listen thanks so much uh carter enjoy your birthday that you share with the national hockey league and uh we'll talk to you guys soon thanks so much for parking time today thanks guys thank you guys thanks boys uh chris oh chris by the way you got two seconds yeah yeah uh bag chuckers you and hal gill give me a give me a fast 30 on bag checkers

fast 30 we're just a couple of guys we've been wanting to do it for a long time but we needed to find a message our message is you go chuck your bags you go enjoy life we talk about a lot of the challenges of post hockey career, uh, all the stuff, all the guilt as fathers, when we're away traveling on the road, what we do, how we manage all that stuff. So, um, you guys have all the hockey stuff covered, but we've got all the, uh, you know, post hockey playing stuff and all the, the issues as hot said, the human side of things coming at you. So tune in, we're just kicking off. We're going to have some guests. We'll love to have both you guys at one point once we get her going.

So tune in if you can. Awesome. Love it. Chris, Carter, thanks so much for stopping by. Much appreciated. Thank you, guys. Carter Hutton, the birthday boy, along with Chris Mason,

Bag Checkers, a podcast. Very much looking forward to checking you out. I can recall, you know, speaking of like that post-career life that you have, you always hear the stories about, recall, you know, speaking of like that, that post career life that you have, you always hear the stories about, well, you know, they don't share when you take out the garbage. And that's what life's like. And here comes September and I don't have a training camp to go to. I remember Brad May telling me once upon a time, like, what was the big difference for you? And he goes, oh, and this happens to a lot of guys. He said, you know, when I was playing,

And this happens to a lot of guys. He said, you know, when I was playing, I'd be on the road, be 2.30 in the morning, couldn't sleep or just woke up. Eh, I'm going to order room service. I'll have a banana split. And when you're playing, no problem.

Because you're going to skate that off first thing in the morning. He said, I'll try to do that when I'm retired, 2.30 in the morning, having a banana split. Yeah, it's sitting there and it's staying there. Looking forward to Bag Checkers, hearing that podcast. Chris Mason and Hal Gill, who, by the way, I've always maintained about Hal Gill. I don't know that I ever saw a better defender killing five on threes than Hal Gill. Now, I know you may look at that and say,

well, okay, so he's forced to be stationary as long as he doesn't move. No, no, no, it's not like that. There's an art to killing off a five on three when you're a defenseman, and I didn't see anyone better as far as wingspan and positioning and keeping guys away from the net

better than Hal Gill. To me, he was like the ultimate five on three penalty killer. Wingspan helped, of course, but I don't know that I saw a better five on three penalty killer than Hal Gill. Zach Phillips, as we wrap up another edition of the show, did we miss anything today? Are we leaving anything on the table?

Anything happen over the course of the hour? We pretty much got to all the news and everything that went down here today. The only thing I was going to bring up, Sean Avery, he's put his hat in the ring to coach the New York Rangers. Yes. So have I. Let's hear it. I'll put my hat in the ring.

Let's hear this. Let's hear this. I'd like to start by saying that I have put my name in the hat officially for the head coach position of the New York Rangers. I have my staff. Bridgeport. I have my staff already contacted. We've worked out everything, responsibilities.

A couple of responsibilities. Do you want to leak who the assistant is? I'm actually thinking about having a co-head coach with Steve Ott. Someone may want to mention that to the St. Louis blues, but no. Okay. Um,

I said, I think it was, was it shot? Very good. I think it was, I think, uh, Laz last night tweeted out like,

is Sean Avery already running the New York Rangers? I saw that. Is he in the office? Woo! Too soon! That was a good one. Today's the birthday of the NHL. First game in the NHL history was today

in 1917. Our first game were the Montreal Wanderers beating the Toronto Arenas 10-9. And then, I think it was not even a month later, the Wanderers Arena burnt down, and then the team just folded. And Bert Lindsay was the first winning netminder, played for the Wanderers,

and he is the father of Ted Lindsay, Terrible Ted. We talked about retired numbers for the Detroit Red Wings to kick off today's program. That's how we wrap that one up and put a bow on it. What do you think about that one? What do you think about that one, Zach? Ted's dad? Did he play in the NHL?

Yeah, it was Bert. Yeah, Ted Lindsay's dad. I was calling back to... Oh, right, to my dad. Oh, God. Come on, Jeff. Come on. I'm trying to blank it out.

I'll do better. Dad, is it true that Max Domi's dad played in the NHL trying to blank it out. I'll do better. I'll do better. Is it true that Max Domi's dad played in the NH? Oh, my hip. I'll do better. Where's my cane? No, no. I should have been quicker on that one. Hey, that was a lot of fun with Chris Mason and Carter Hutton.

You know, I like the idea of getting like two people to play the same positions. And certainly if they have overlap, and these guys clearly had overlap in both St. Louis and Nashville as well. And certainly if they have overlap and these guys clearly had overlap in both St. Louis and Nashville as well. The one thing we didn't get into with Carter, we can on a, on another day is the topic that I'm loathe to talk about these days. Cause I've done it too much.

And that is the Buffalo Sabres. And like, I shouldn't believe in curses. I really shouldn't believe in curses at all. But like at a certain point, yeah, look at all the players that have gone elsewhere. Yeah.

I thought you were going to say goalie masks. I asked the chat what their favorite goalie masks were, Jeff. How'd it go? I got some responses. How'd it go? We got a couple minutes quick. I left it up to them. I'll just give you these here. Johnny Red, Gillis Graton, love his mask, he said.

Gilles Graton, Gratuni the Loony is a great book so he believed that he was a reincarnation of a Spanish conquistador and once

at George Bell Arena in the west end of Toronto after a Toronto Toros practice in front of all the media he went out

on the ice George Bell Arena with nothing but his goalie skates to streak the crowd Gilles Graton he had the great tiger mask when he played with the New York Rangers. Gertrune Deluny is what they called him.

Gilles Gretton. Obvious one here, which I thought of right away. Jeremiah Maxwell, Cujo, easy. Blaise Lipinski, deep cut pick. Atlanta Flames, Yves Melanger, 78-79. Randy Workman. Bouchard and Muir both had really good Atlanta Flames masks as well. Randy Workman says, I'm going to say Jerry Cheevers with his stitches on his mask.

Yep. John Davidson, D. Ely says, honestly, the John Davidson Lone Ranger mask was underrated. And Brando Taurari. Hang on, by the way, pause on that one. That mask is one of the most, he's right, one of the most underrated and i know by the way pause on that one that that the the that mask is one of the most he's right the one of the most underrated seldom talked about masks we think of the greats won't think of the own gary simmons and the cobra and all that but like that was one of the most underrated of all time i'll give him that one that's 100 true we got any more quick

yeah last one i searched it up uh i laughed uh brando tolarari, Archer's Herbe. I looked that helmet up. Loved Archer's Herbe. That was another. That's all I got. I don't know how safe that helmet was. I don't know. I laughed.

I was like, jeez, sorry. How safe that helmet was, but nonetheless. Okay, listen, on behalf of Zach and my son that made me feel very old today,

is it true that Max Domi's dad played in the NHL? Just a little bit, son. Thanks for joining me today. Sheet returns tomorrow. Tomorrow's Brian Burke Day. So get your questions ready, either in the chat or on Twitter or wherever. I already got a couple of DM questions for Brian Burke tomorrow.

Last week was fantastic. One of the things that – well, actually, I'm not going to spoil it. I've got a couple of really interesting questions for Berkey. I don't want to put them out there yet in case someone runs and tells them and then we don't get the authentic Berkey response. So we'll stay tuned for Brian Burke tomorrow. 3 o'clock Eastern right here at our daily

Faceoff YouTube channel. Have a great rest of your day. Enjoy the games tonight. We're back tomorrow, 3 Eastern noon Pacific. Bye. I'm not against those methods, but it's me, myself, and I that's going to be fixing my mind. I do want to break it up I turn on the music It's enough, enough, enough That you're sometimes losing Have been on the dance the way I roll

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