The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Conflict Resolution ft. Dr. Alicia Naser

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Jeff Marek is joined by Dr. Alicia Naser to discuss optimizing mental health, sports psychology, behavioral performance, and much more...Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!SHOW INDEX00:00 Intro03:58 FanDuel Daily Outline05:58 Brandon Saad08:47 Breaking Up Fights17:52 Dr. Alicia Naser1:00:50 FanDuel Look Ahead1:09:53 Shawn SimpsonIf you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Find your push. Find your power. Peloton has everything you need. Whenever you need it, find your push, find your power. Peloton, visit Peloton at onepeloton.ca. Already starting off with the good good times in the chat here for the sheet. J-Rock saying, Merrick just put those glasses on you'll make smart looking choices. Have I ever mentioned what the old television trick is when you want to make someone look smarter than they really are? Here it is. Put glasses on them and put books behind them. Oh shit. They did that to me. It's the oldest TV trick in the book. When, but when in the only oldest TV trick in the book. When, when books suddenly appear behind someone

or glasses suddenly appear on top of someone's nose, always remind yourself, they're trying to make this person look smarter than they actually are When we all know the smartest creature on this program Currently resides over my left shoulder there Anyhow, I think you're gonna really enjoy the show. But before we get there, Zack Zack pay attention We have a professional on the show today. We have

Dr. Alisha Nassar. She's a professional and we don't have like the normal slobs rolling through here like Wyszynski, the soup on the Thai crowd. We actually have professionals. Thank you. Put on a collared shirt and class the place up a little bit here. Clean up. Maybe dust the background a little bit here clean up maybe dust the background a little bit maybe throw some light on there be a pro would it kill you to throw a tie on would it kill you to drag a razor across your face maybe comb your feathers oh there you go oh you got to go Berkey style though are you gonna go Berkey look at that oh look at that yeah yeah any any NHL ties

anyone that knows my old buddy Patrick from set do you remember any NHL ties Anyone that knows my old buddy Patrick from set Do you remember that NHL ties feed by the way from Twitter a number of years ago? He used to judge the rate the ties every year every every day pretty much and drew Ramenda Oh, yeah, so he's a buddy of mine I I met him after he used to roast me all the time from my I I don't do a really good Windsor And I do really bad knots and he's just roast me every time I was on television. I got to know him, great guy.

Him and his family live out in Seattle. And he had a love affair and so do I, with someone whom he referred to as Ty 99. And who do you think, now Ty 99 means the person in the industry, in hockey hockey media who does his tie better than anybody else in all of hockey media. This person was undefeated in challenges every single night and to this day when I see this person on television, I always refer to him and he is a dear friend.

I still refer to him as Ty 99. Do you know who tie 99 is? Does anybody in the chat know who tie 99 is? No, I have no idea. I'm trying to- Drew Ramenda of the San Jose Sharks Nobody does a dimple on their tie and I still don't know how he does it so perfectly and I worked with Drew for a number of years and I've take this however you want to take it I've dressed with Drew and I've tried to get Drew to teach me how to do that dimple on the tie because it's one of the coolest things watching San Jose Sharks games

is watching Drew's tie and I still can't get it to this day I've always wanted to be the guy that can do like four or five different knots I can do one But anyway good for you for putting on a tie NHL ties are my good buddy Patrick manager will be I will be very proud Somewhere that you're throwing one of those on the reason we want to class up the joint here a little bit and keep a little tidy and a little more professional Dr. Alicia Nassar is gonna stop by we're gonna get to her in a couple of moments. I'll let you know who she is

and what we're going to be talking about. In the meantime, let's hit the rundown. And over the next 60 minutes, these are some of the things, although when I get talking to Dr. Nassar, I'm sure it's gonna go a number of different directions, that we're gonna be talking about today. The Daily Outline brought to you by FanDuel,

North America's number one sports book app provider. And top topic is kind of an interesting one here today and that is Brandon Sod. Now I wanna get into a couple of quick little conversations mainly about Brandon Sod and would he be a fit with the Edmonton Oilers? We'll get there in a couple of moments. Also coming up on the program today, breaking up fights.

How to do it, how not to do it. And an example of, we saw this last night in the American Hockey League between Manitoba and Chicago, should a player now be suspended for, and I don't want to say manhandling because I don't want to get too far ahead of myself here, but for getting the official to release the grip and what should happen when the official gets a grip on you. Trust me, it's going to go somewhere. Dr. Alicia Nash is going to stop by in about 10 minutes time. You are really going to love her.

If you follow her on social media, you know her a little bit. She works with a number of NHL players, most notably Shane Wright of Seattle, John Beecher of the Boston Bruins, Luca Delbel-Baluz of the Columbus Blue Jackets, who's one of full stop the best stories in the NHL today. So we'll talk to Dr. Nassar coming up here in about 10 minutes. The flower in Montreal, like that's it, the swan song, unless we're expecting a Minnesota-Montreal Stanley Cup final. song unless we're expecting a Minnesota Montreal Stanley Cup final. I don't think the NHL is. This is gonna be it for for Marc-Andre Fleury and his time in Montreal. So very much looking forward to talking about the flower and I want to

park a little bit of time as well, Zach, to talk about Shawn Simpson towards the end of the program. We'll get there. We'll get there on Sean. Okay, so a couple of things here. Really quickly on Brandon's side, you know, this is a tough one, right? Where the players sort of has the way between, do I just want to take the money? Do I still want to play in the NHL? Is it gonna cost me too much? How happy am I going to be if I just take the demotion to the American Hockey League, sit there and count my money versus playing in the NHL? The one thing I do want to point out here, and again

this is just a sort of brief note, then then we'll move on. And I know a lot of people are drawing the lines Stan Bowmanman, Brandon Saad. And listen, I think rightfully so. I think the main thing that like when it comes to the Edmonton Oilers and Brandon Saad, like right away when this news came out, I'm sure you got the texts and the DMs as well, is it a foregone conclusion that he's going to Edmonton? Now I think it's like any team, they'll have the conversation internally about Brandon Saad, try to figure out if there's a fit, where there's a fit, how it could work.

The best way that I could put it is I would imagine that the Edmonton Oilers are intelligently curious about Brandon Sod because they know the player. So it's not as if there's not someone that has direct knowledge of the player and how he could fit with the Edmonton Oilers. I, I, I, I think that there's a, there's an interest there. I think that if you're the oil that you try to, you say to yourself, okay, how do we make this fit?

If we're interested, if we want to bring them in, A, what's the price tag in B, where's there the fit? A long winded way of me saying, I'm pretty sure that the Edmonton Oilers are more than lukewarm about bringing in someone like Brandon Sod. You have a quick thought on that one? I think that it's probably a, certainly a strong conversation there. Yeah. I think that it's probably a conversation, certainly a strong conversation there. Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think based on what we're hearing or what we've heard that they're looking for and to add that he kind of fits that based on history and everything that fits.

The other one that's been thrown out there, I heard the boys on Leafs Morning Take talking about it this morning obviously would be Toronto and the fit back with Craig Borubey. I think a lot of times, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but when these guys come up like this or you approach trade deadline and you get closer and closer to the date, oh, so and so on, that team is being moved. Well, there's their former coach or former GM on that team who's looking for that type of player and that fit makes sense. That kind of seems to fit the mold for Brandon Sod right now and yeah, Minton-Oilers. Okay, park that. People in the chat asking, where's Dr. Nasser? She's on the horizon. She'll be popping by in about five or six minutes. Probably enough time to have a really quick conversation about scrap in the American Hockey League.

You want to fire this one off. So the two combatants here, Yannick Turcotte and Tyrell Bauer, but a particular note here, Jamison Granetter, I believe is the name, and Peter Jenkin are the linesman here. So have a look. So it's the fade back to center. I hope you're watching on YouTube and not just listening to the podcast.

You can go see the fight on YouTube. And the officials jump in right away. Both officials have a grab on, but then Bauer essentially pushes his linesman away and they engage. Now then, a couple of things here. They end up scrapping and it's a fair scrap, but you know, I grew up in the era where NHL players, you can go back and look at all these fights, would manhandle linesmen. Like in order to scrap, like push them out of the way, throw them down, punch them, like to be able to get, like that would be the warmup act for the fights. Like my first thought on this one is generally we

don't see this type of anger in a fight. And it was a doozy, but I'm looking at this and I'm like, if I'm the AHL, am I not looking to suspend Bauer on that one? Like the thing about fights now is, and everybody sort of understands this, when the linesmen get the hooks in, it's over. Like you have to stop or you are getting suspended. And by the way, the strongest, I don't know if you ever think about stuff like

this, the strongest linesman, I believe in the history of the NHL, he's no longer an official, but I just love what I loved watching him break up fights because he would have grabbed a guy, grab a guy around both arms and squeeze tight. And you could see like the player would buckle a little bit. And you knew like, okay, you just did the squeeze. This fight is over. And that was Jay Sharers. Jay Sharers broke up fights like nobody.

Like if you were fighting when Jay Sharers is on the ice, you wanted to make sure that Jay wasn't grabbing you. Cause generally Jay Sharers was stronger than you. And when Jay got the hooks in and grabbed you and squeezed, the fight was over. Make no mistake about it. I would look at this one and kind of go, I don't know about this one.

Like right now when you deal with things, and I know the hue and cry, just let them go, why the official is trying to break them up, two guys just want to have a fight, here's why they do it. In everything, not just in sports, but in life as well, I think you need to consider the L word. Do you know what the L word is, Zach? You know the L word that we always have to think about? Liability. Liability, Zach. Liability. Liability. So'm not really sure in this context. Liability, Zach.

Liability. Liability. So, if you're the commissioner of a league and you have a fight that could be broken up and your linesman just let it go and something awful happens to one of those players and you can demonstrate in a court of law that someone there, one of the linesmen had a chance to break it up or both linesmen did and they didn't, all of a sudden you become liable. I because let's all say it together and everybody in the chat join me. Lawyers make everything better in life.

Lawyers make everything better. Like I think that's the number one issue. Why you're seeing linesmen when they have a chance, jump in when they can. I really do think it's a liability issue. But what would you do with that one? Zach, what would you do? Cleaned up Zach? Tie around the collar? Yeah, tie around the collar really makes me... Brachy's bring some credibility to the show. Yeah. Yeah, that one, like I mean here, and we can kind of go back to it because I want, I want people to see like exactly where it is to, right? Jeff, he jumps in right there and whip the official out.

Yes. Like that's a pretty aggressive throw. I don't think he means like malintent. And I don't think that that's his thought. It's Jameson Grunert. Yeah. And I don't think that that's his thought. He just wants the official to get his thoughts. It's Jamison Gronnert. He's just trying to fight. Yeah.

It's Jamison Gronnert. Jamison Gronnert. That's the guy. That's the official's name. He's just trying to fight. But that being said, he tosses the official pretty, pretty aggressively. And at that point in time, especially when you are trying to protect officials, I think that you could see some supplemental, probably should see some supplemental discipline.

But you said the first thing you think of, and I mean, Producer Vic said it there in the chat as well. The first thing I thought of before I even got to that was, why the hell are they jumping in that late? I know you just laid out the liability, I understand that, but you saw it, I saw it. But they have to coordinate it. They started this far away from each other. You know what though?

Because there used to be an official in the NHL whose name was Kevin Collins, okay? So what Kevin Collins was famous for, I guess infamous, players hated Kevin Collins. Not exactly a secret. And the reason they hated Kevin Collins was Kevin Collins would always be the first official to break up a fight. Like the way you break it up as linesmen, you have to both go in at the same time. Because if one goes in early, that means one guy's tied up

and the other's just like, all right, feeding time. Here we go. Kevin Collins never synced up with his other linesmen. I don't know whether it was a spotlight, a hero thing, but he would just jump in and grab one. And you hated it, obviously, because okay, now I gotta fight the linesmen. This guy's hit me.

Will the other linesmen please grab this guy? And that was Kevin Collins' reputation. Ask any of the, I say old timers, but I guess they are old timers. But ask anybody from that era what they thought of Kevin Collins. Kevin Collins jumped in early all the time. It was so awful to watch.

Like guys would get tuned because Kevin Collins would grab them early. It was terrible. It was awful to watch. And that's why I think like to your point, Zach, linesmen, we should do more of the officials on the show. We should get like officials on the show to talk about the strategy of breaking up fights. You have to go in at the same time. If you don't, someone could get really hurt. That's why sometimes it can take a little bit longer because you got to make sure it's almost like, okay, we're doing this. We're doing this. Three, two, one, go. And you got to do it the exact same time. That's why. Yeah.

Because sometimes it takes a little longer. I get that. It's also too bad. You've probably been seeing here on social media as well, how many more fights have been going on. It's kind of like, let the kids play. I just want to see them go at it. I see these guys jumping in. I just want to see him go at it. I see these guys jumping in and like, no, get out. It's like, you know, we're, I saw the one from Grand Rapids last night. Um, oh, on the first goal. Scores his first, first American league goal.

Drew commensal is even coming out to scrap. Right. And then the goalies come down and that was the one that was funny. I'm watching the goalies come down and then you see the linesman look at it and be kind of be like, you don't see him physically finger wag, but you can kind of see him do the eyeball finger wag like, no, no, no, no, no, no. They're not doing that, leave that one. And then there's also the part of me that's like the chimp in the picture behind you. That's like, let them go, let's throw some ends.

Let them go, we're all 98% chimp anyway. We're not as highly evolved as we think we are. Just let them throw, free throwin' on that one. From the chat, by the way, someone who, I would imagine, knows exactly what I'm talking about here. Um, tagefans7272, if that is indeed your real name, um, uh, submits the white knight. That's Kevin Collins. The white knight had to break up a fight in the penalty box. Oh, was that, was that the Jim corn fight?

See what I can find. I wonder what, I wonder what that one is. That's, that's, That's an intriguing one. I wonder if that's the Jim Cornel in the Tron New Jersey game. Adam Glicas, he was there the night Domi had Chris Falcone fall into the penalty box at Wells Fargo. Did I ever tell you I went out with Chris Falcone? No. The Flyers fan that fell in the penalty box?

Do we have time? I don't know. Should I do this now? Dr. Alicia is ready, but you know this stuff. Oh, she's ready? No, no, no. I want to spend as much time with Dr. Nasser as possible. So just remind me to talk to you, even if it's not today, the night I went out with

Philly Chris Falcone in Philadelphia, it ended up being like one of the coolest nights of my life. He was the guy that fell into the penalty box with Ty Domey. I got to meet him. The one. Yeah, and I went to Philadelphia and went out with this dude. Coolest dude in the world. Like the best guy. I'll tell you more.

The best guy. The best guy in the world. If you're looking for flexible workouts, Peloton's got you covered. Summer runs or playoff season meditations, whatever your vibe, Peloton has thousands of classes built to push you. We know how life goes. New father, new routines, new locations. What matters is that you have something there to adapt with you, whether you need a challenge or rest.

And Peloton has everything you need. Whenever you need it, find your push, find your power. Peloton, visit Peloton at onepeloton.ca. Okay, let's get to our special guest today. Someone we've wanted to get on the program since pretty much we launched and finally we're here. Encourage everybody to follow her on social media. She's a board certified behavioral analyst who specializes in behavioral sports psychology

and she is smarter than everybody listening or watching the show right now. She's Dr. Alisha Nassar and she joins me now. Dr. Nassar, how are you today? Hi, it's not true, I'm not smarter than everybody listening by any means, thank you for having me. The pleasure is all mine. Of all weeks, Dr. Nassar, wow, we find you here in the week of more drama with the Vancouver Canucks and different players and I know that neither

of these two are your clients, but I do want to get to sort of conflict resolution amongst players on the same team. But before we get there, just so everyone listening and watching here can sort of have a basis of understanding. Because I read the business card, but you'll deliver it in much more accommodating and intelligent terms. Describe your work with NHL players.

I mentioned earlier, Johnny Beecher and Shane Wright and Luca Del Bellalooz and there are others as well, but describe what you do. So I am not a sports psychologist. I'm a board certified behavior analyst. So everything I focus on is on behaviors. So really it's emotional regulation on and off the ice and then helping them optimize their performance

through behavior change. And a lot of it really comes down to self-awareness and value systems and belief systems. So what I help these guys do is optimize their performance, their mental and behavioral performance so they have quicker emotional recoveries. That way they can do what they do best when they're playing. So what are some of them?

Let's, let's, let's jump in with a couple of, you know, uh, initial concerns that every player would have. Now there is a stereotype of the hockey player who makes it to the NHL. And in order to make it to the NHL, you need to be physically tough and you need to be mentally tough and you need to have done away with all these insecurities that you may have about yourself. But as we know in any profession, like that's not true. And that's not true about hockey players. They may wear a thicker veil than people in other lines of work, but at the same time,

they all have the same issues that a lot of people do in their lines of work as well. You know, whether it's, you know, anxiety, self-doubt, imposter syndrome, all these things that we're now familiar with, not to sort of ask you to make a ladder of these terms of, you know, what you deal with on a most frequent basis, but what are some of the more, you know, common issues that that are sort of specific to NHLers? Yeah, so I wouldn't say that they're issues. We actually call them barriers because the meaning, and I know you're wanting a secret something

that I have told you. I'm not going to give you in terms of a strategy, but I'll kind of dab, I'll dance around it a little bit. But also, Jeff, sorry, really quickly. There's a little bit of a lag. Is everything you can hear in CBL play? Yep, we're good. Okay, okay, good.

So we, in my practice with these guys, we call them barriers because the meaning we give even to the word issues has a lot to do with how we approach it, how we feel about it, how we navigate it. So if we call something an issue, automatically, a lot of times players become a little bit more self-critical and they get down on themselves because there's this notion that something must be wrong with me if I have an issue. But if I say it's a barrier, the analogy I

like to use is there's a barrier in the road. Like if we need to get through on a road and there's a barrier in the way, if there's a traffic cone in the way, what do we do with that barrier that if you ask some of these NHL guys that's just what is the solution to that they'd easily say we'll just move it. And so essentially you're removing the barrier and then you're replacing it with what? A smooth road for you to be able to continue on your journey. So this is an analogy that we use because it first of all changes at the onset how we approach anything that we're gonna work on.

And so then to your point, some of the common barriers that come up and I'm not to get too nitpicky with language, but it's actually at the heart root of everything that I do. And it's what my dissertation research was on was how do words affect heart rate and then heart rate affects performance. And as we know, their shifts are so short

that they have to recover, not just emotionally, especially emotionally, but also with their heart rate, right, quickly. And the meaning that we give to certain words has a huge effect on our heart rate recovery, whether or not we're aware of it. So to get to, you know, to circle back, some of the barriers that are pretty common

is the fear of making mistakes. I talk a lot about this on my socials about how to navigate and remove the barrier of making mistakes because it's so common. I see it all the time where somebody will be playing in the OHL or in a different league and they are playing rather freely and playing to a degree where they're just in the flow of things. And then when you get to the NHL, it's a whole different ballgame, right? It's a whole different beast. And so mistakes matter, of course, in any league, but they're more high stakes, I would say, in the NHL. And so the meaning a player gives to making mistakes, we work around those barriers or we work through those barriers,

like how to not be afraid of making mistakes so you can play to your fullest potential. Because a lot of times the fear of making a mistake will make a script or stick a little tighter and they're not playing then to the potential or the player that they were drafted for. And so the fear of making mistakes is one, the fear of uncertainty or unknowns,

like what if I take the shot? What if I try to make this play and it doesn't work out well? A lot of times actually, and I know we're going to talk about conflict resolution, but a lot of conflict and it's subtle conflict between, it's actually sometimes most of the time is very, it's not so obvious and it almost doesn't even go recognized because it's between a coach and a player,

but it's unspoken of because the player doesn't understand like, hey, I can speak up if I was scratched and I don't understand why, especially if I'm producing. Like, I can advocate for myself and approach a coach about this. So I would say mistakes, the fear of the unknown, and the trust, the self-trust that comes of being on the ice and playing to their fullest potential. And then the third most common, these are not in any order, in hierarchical order, but the third most common really is conflict between, or just that unknown and a lack of communication.

I should actually call it a lack of communication between coaches and players. And it's not anyone's fault, it's not on any player, it's not on a player or the coach, it's just a bi-directional relationship where a player doesn't understand. I actually asked, I was like, is there something in the rule book that says

a player can't go talk to a coach and ask, like, hey, why was I scratched? And they couldn't find out, I have asked, it is not in the rule book. So you can actually approach your coach. And a lot of times we forget coaches are humans too. So they also, in terms of communicating effectively, might struggle in that respect, rightfully so.

So does that answer your question, those pre-concern patterns that we've seen? You know, one of the things that I wanted to do, Alicia, right away, was just sort of understand, establish a sort of very, a base of knowledge that we're gonna work from here, that sort of put ourselves in a sort of player's mind now. I do, like, let's just, like, the elephant in the room

in every, a lot of conversations this week has been JT Miller and Elias Patterson. I am not gonna ask you about them specifically. I'm not gonna ask you about their situation specifically. The point that I've been trying to make through all of this is I'm uncomfortable casting judgment, blame until I have all the information or know what the issue is to begin with. Until then I'm pretty uncomfortable saying it's this person's fault, that's that person's fault. It's you know, the one thing that we have been able to understand and even there, you know, the team president slash, you know, real general managers or other vertus said, like essentially this is not going to get resolved.

So let's work from that base. And we're not specifically talking about these players. This is a theoretical player X and player Y cannot get along and the issue will not be resolved. How do you- Yeah. And just to be clear, sorry, just to be clear for the audience, I don't work with either of these players. No.

I'm just talking about a solution where there's two. I just, it's good to make that clear at the end. Two players in conflict, right? They will not get along. They play on the same team. They play on the same power play. What do you do? Like, what are the sort of the strategies,

the tactics for dealing with something like that? So let's say you're player X and somebody else is player Y. You want to know, we can entertain me here, let's act like we're in a session right now that I would have with one of my clients. Well then when I was five, doctor, when I was five, doctor, things really went sour. You and I both buddy so okay so what I would say if your player acts in your play wine you come to me

and you're like listen there is this line mate this teammate that we you know things are just not good and also it's not so much that's not good it's that there's a lot on the line and there's also other people involved even indirectly as in the other teammates, right? And so the very first place to start is to say, are you behaving, and again, I'm a behavior analyst. So everything I do is like, let's assess behavior first. Are you behaving based on your values? And then, and that also first requires a player to know what their values are. Because our values guide our behavior, okay?

So the analogy that I like to use is that our values are like a compass, they guide our behavior. Values are not necessarily a behavior. So the very first place to start is to say, well, what is your value system? And we do a lot of identifying that with players. And you'd be surprised, there's a lot of clarity that can come from that, okay?

And then the second question I would ask is, is your behavior driven by your emotions? And I suspect, you know, again, I don't work with either of these players that have been spoken about often, obviously, in the media recently, but I would suspect, and I don't blame them because they're human,

but a lot of whatever's going on is driven from emotion. Because we're humans and emotion is part of what makes us human, it's part of what separates us from other mammals and other, you know, along the lineage. You guys were talking about evolution before I hopped down in. So emotions are a part of what makes us human. And so, you know, a lot of what, a lot of the behaviors we engage in

are based on our emotion. And so then that's where I would, you know, come in and say, let's do something about that because emotions are data points, but they're not directives. Emotions are not directions to behave or act in a certain way. A lot of times if we base our behavior on an emotion,

if I feel angry or if I feel that I don't agree with who somebody is or what they did or what they said or how they identify or what they had for lunch that day, like whatever the case might be, if I behave based on that, rather than behaving based on my values, I'm probably not going to be too happy with myself afterward because oftentimes emotions, when we behave based on motion, it often leads to shame, self-sabotage, all these kinds of things later on.

It depends. And again, context matters in every situation. So it's really about first, what are your values? And then second, are your behaviors, including your thoughts about somebody, about your teammate? Because thoughts are in emotions or behaviors, are they based on your emotions?

And then from there, you know, there's a lot of clarity that can come from it. But I actually don't agree with what he, or I mean, I'm sorry, I don't disagree with what he said about there isn't a resolution. However, what I would push back on that is, and this is not about if I agree or not with what he said about there isn't a resolution. However, what I would push back on that is, and this is not about if I agree or not with what he said, it's about just my, it's just about my take on it.

And so what I would say is, I don't even know if there has to be conflict resolution. Why does there have to be a resolution? Because the next piece of what I would say is, two things can be true at the same time. So I'm gonna give you a strategy that I give every client that works with me. And it's a really impactful one because you can use it across settings on the ice and off the ice.

And they do. And they do. And they actually use it in between shifts often. And I know that because I make them do their homework. But in any case, so you know two ways of thinking dialectical or dichotomy Dichotomy is black or white. It either has to be this way or that way right or wrong friend or foe. Mm-hmm Dialectical is where two opposing things can be true at the same time. So for example, I

Didn't have a good shift. I turned the puck over and I'm going to do better on the next shift. These are some common examples that we use in session. I don't feel I agree with my coach's decision and I'm going to have a conversation with him. So do you see, Jeff, how these two are at the opposites, but the word and, these are the and statements, allows for both of them to be true at the same time. Does this make sense so far?

It does. Can I circle back to one thing that you said a couple of seconds ago? You can, but we got to come back. We have to come back to this part though. Okay. We'll fast forward back. I just want to rewind for one second, where you talked about rewind for one second, where you talked about emotions, I'm gonna butcher this, emotions guiding our behavior, or fueling our behavior, or being sort of, you know, being dragged by our emotions, I think is one of the phrases that we hear. You know, I just don't, like in a situation where there is

a profound disagreement between, I'll just give you an example of on the ice, a profound disagreement between, I'll just give an example of on the ice. A profound disagreement on the ice between two players, and one of those players has an overwhelmingly negative emotional reaction to the presence of that player on the ice with him at that time, that it affects his behavior in a couple of different ways. One, there's that overwhelming feeling of, I really don't like this person.

And two, and this is where, and you sort of winked at this before, performing in front of your teammates is another thing. And the fear of not being able to perform, say, on a power play with that person also on the ice with me, because that failure by me will then compound everything that I feel at that time. It's almost like we're just stacking logs. We're just stacking cordwood here, Like on top of all of it. The question that I would, that I had, but I wanted to let you continue is, how do you stop that? Like, how do you essentially say, we're going to stop stacking logs here?

How do you do it? Well, so to that point, it's a good question. So I would use, again, getting back to what I was mentioning before is you can use an and statement here. You can agree, you can not agree with someone and still get the job done. You can strongly dislike someone and still follow through with that contract you signed at the beginning of the season

or whatever it was, right? You can really, I hate to use the word hate, ironically. I'm not someone, I just, this strong word, but in this case, it sounds like that's what's going on. Like someone strongly dislikes the other person. I can strongly dislike, like actually maybe like really despise this person, even if I don't have valid reason to,

and still do my job. Because last time I checked, like that's in the job description as an NHL player, is to do your job, right? And so two things can be true at the same time that are opposite. And so then, you know, from that, it's really about like a cost benefit analysis of, you know, let me rewind for a second. Anytime a player comes to me, the very first thing I'll say is, what are you currently doing right now? So a lot of times people will say like,

oh, I do visualizations. And I'm like, well, how is that working for you? Because there isn't actually strong research that's, and I'm getting somewhere with this, so just grab on for a second. There's a strong research that really supports visualizations all of the time, because just for some other reasons,

if you can visualize what could go right, you could also visualize what could go wrong. And then somebody who has an inclination, anxious tendencies may then end up visualizing what can go wrong. So I'll say, you know, what are you doing right now? And how is it currently working for you? And they'll say, it's not, it's not working.

And it doesn't sound like what, you know, either of these two players are doing is working for them, because clearly there's friction. And it doesn't sound like it's working for the team, obviously, based on, you know, what's there's like, there's a bunch of, you know, friction around the team and what have you, it sounds like. And so then you do a cost benefit analysis and you say, okay, well, what is the benefit of what I'm currently doing? And I don't know the situation. I don't know the details. I don't work with either of these two players, but I don't suspect that there is any benefit. It doesn't sound like there can be

other than someone's ego winning, it sounds like. And then you say, well, what's the cost? Well, the cost, there are obvious costs, and I do this a lot with players. Like let's draw a line down the middle and make two columns of cost and benefit. And it sounds like there's some obvious costs and some not so obvious costs. The obvious costs are that it's costing the team

It's costing the power play the it's the power play unit. It's costing literally points like actual points It's cause maybe you know Conversations healthy conversations. It's costing the the room in the the energy in the room Then the not so obvious costs and this is where it really can be pretty profound if you can really connect with the players to say the not so obvious costs, whether you notice it or not, it's probably your self-respect, you know, and probably how you feel about yourself. And, you know, ironically or not so ironically, but how a player feels about themselves influences how they behave, and how they behave influences how they feel about themselves. And when I say behave, I mean how they behave, and how they behave influences how they feel about themselves.

And when I say behave, I mean how they perform on the ice. So this has not just an impact on who's right, who's wrong, you know, it's more about, you're literally impacting how you actually are performing on the ice based on the cost that you're willing to allow to be reality because your behaviors derive from your emotions. And then to come full circle, I would really say use some and statements, put some and

statements in there. It requires reps. And then also get very clear on your values and then ask yourself, are you behaving in a way based on your values and then ask yourself, like, are you behaving in a way based on your values? Um, do you want to fast forward to where you were before, before I rudely asked you to go backwards? No, cause that kind of fit it in there. And it was about the and statements about, it was about, you know, like two

things can be true. You can strongly disagree with somebody strongly not like them for whatever reason and still do your job. Okay. Um, I want to bracket that conversation about, uh, conflict re resolution and loosely using the, the, the Perrin Vancouver about it. And I want to sort of drill down on, uh, a couple of different players. Um, I'm really happy for Shane Wright and, and, and how he's performing this year.

I'm really happy for John Beecher consistently being in the lineup for the Boston Bruins. And I'm really happy for Luca Del Bell Blues. He's someone that I've followed from minor hockey to the OHL and to the NHL. And it's been a wonderful story with him and the Columbus Blue Jackets. He seems to me, because I've maintained for the longest time here

that we're in an era right now where young people are growing up With the idea that privacy is not a thing our lives are lived publicly I will share everything open book all of it You know once upon a time when you know when I was a kid one of the biggest You know one of the biggest fears when I was a kid was like, oh someone's watching you Oh, they're watching up someone's watching you and now you know Someone pointed this out to me a while ago

The biggest fear the young people have is not being watched is that no one is around attention someone's watching you, oh, they're watching you, someone's watching you. And now, you know, someone pointed this out to me a while ago. The biggest fear the young people have is not being watched. Is that no one is around attention. It's completely flipped. And Luca, Luca to me seems like the kind of person, obviously, you know, him and his family a lot better than I do, that's quite happy to live as much of his life publicly, privately, all out in the open. Is that true?

Well, I don't want to speak for him. So I don't know if it's true or not. And it's actually something I've never thought about until just now when you said it. Are you asking because of how he has been willing, which I'm grateful for, for me to share his story and if it's real on my Instagram? And the reason I bring that up is like, I know you're not frivolous about your career and wouldn't just throw that out there. Like that is done with the consent of the player.

Like when I, first of all, I think we're all fortunate that someone like, like Luca is making himself that public. And I think part of it too is like, wow, I'm really kind of surprised at how public he's, he's, he's public he's willing to make his life. Well, I don't know if it's that he's willing to make his life public as it is so much that he's willing to share the value that he finds in our work together.

I think that's what it is. And it's not, you know, it's Luca, but it's also, and yes, to your point, I have permission to post and talk about any of the players that have given me permission to post about them on my socials because that is really important for client confidentiality in my line of work. But you know, so even with Johnny, even with Shane, though in Liam O'Brien, like their willingness to allow me to

you know, share their testimonials. I didn't even like to call them testimonials. It's really about like their experience working with me and how it's impacted not just them as players, but them as people. I think it's the coolest part about what I do because not I think I know, it's the coolest part about what I do because from that and especially from Luca

being willing, so willing to share and our connection there, which I do, I love all my players, but all my clients, but it's just his willingness to be so forthcoming and to talk about it. Like I did, I told him I was coming on today and I was like, are you okay if we chat about you? He's like, oh yeah, I don't care.

And he's very, he's like, yeah. He's just, you know what, he's just himself. Luca's just, I wanna say this, because it's very important, Luca's just himself and he's just so happy to what, he's just himself. Luca is just, I want to say this, because it's very important. Luca is just himself, and he's just so happy to be doing what he's doing. And he's worked very hard, and he's been very, very patient. And he has a wonderful family, and they've all, like, they've worked hard alongside him.

And he's just a really great kid, he was a wonderful person, wonderful player, but he just loves what he does, and he's willing to, he's not ashamed of any of it, which is wonderful. You know, I'm curious about, are you part of anybody's game day routine? Is there like, and I've got to check in with Dr. Nasser and I've got to take my stick this way and I've got to eat this apple at this point of my way onto the, you know, ritualistic players are. Have you become part of this game day?

So it's funny. So I talk to everyone at least once on game days for sure. And there is something that I give most of them. It's very tailored and player specific, but there's a warmup that I give to all of my clients. But it's funny that you should mention Luca because Luca and I were, he was doing these warmups that I gave him and then he started to go on a point streak when I stopped giving

him the warmups. So we're like, okay, we're going to stop doing warmups. And then he's like, and then he go in, then he was like, but wait, if I stop scoring that, I need you to send me more of us again. I was like, okay. So, so yeah, I do talk to him. I think, you know what it is, Jeff, is that when we're exposed to something, we're reminded of it, and it actually,

the closer the stimulus to the environment, the more ingrained it is. So the closer to the time they leave to the rink from when they talk to me, or even just read over our notes, it, we can't say for sure, but it probably has a little bit of an effect, I would hope, but because it's reminding them of all the work that they've done and those mental reps they've put in.

Can I give you a hypothetical? Sure. I've always been curious about this. Now I'm gonna frame this one very specific way. So I'm a big fan of the band Radiohead, love Radiohead. And one of their biggest songs is a song called Creep, as many of their hits, like the big, right? Everyone knows that song, right?

Now, the band hates it. The band, like, can't stand that song. They can't, it used to be just a soundcheck song that they would do. They can't stand it, they hate it, they hate it. I had no idea. Oh yeah, they can't stand it. They hate it.

Oh, I love that song. I love it too, a lot of people do. That's the thing, like, the fans love it, but the band hates it. And I heard an interview with one of the guys and said something really interesting to me, who said, you know, we really hate this song. It actually doesn't feel like, we hate it so much.

It doesn't feel like it's our song. It feels like we're playing a cover. It sounds like we're playing someone else's music. Now here's what I want to ask you this way. At a certain point, now hockey fans, you may be shocked to find out this. Sometimes players just happen to be good at hockey, but they don't like it. They just happen to be really good. And this happens sometimes later on in your career where sports becomes just like another job and you just kind of hate it. They just happen to be really good. And this happens sometimes later on in your career

where sports becomes just like another job and you just kind of hate it, but like, look at this check every now and twice a month, I get really happy. I don't know if you've ever been there with one of your clients, like how or how you would deal with a player who doesn't enjoy the game anymore and feels that, I mean this is Winking at

Impostor Syndrome, feels that that person that you see on the ice is not them. Essentially they're like Radiohead in their mind playing a cover when they play Creep. Is there anything there? Yes, yes, but I think it's more, not not I think I know that it's more from my experience It's more along the lines of becoming disengaged and unenthusiastic about the game because they lose their passion For a multitude of reasons. So that is very real and it's something that Once we move through that once we can get through that barrier. It is Something that's, you know, it's like

catching their second wind. A lot of it too sometimes is burnout. It's burnout from trying to get their passion back and trying to be enthusiastic about the game again, but for some reason it's not working. And that's where my job comes in, is to identify like, what, where's the gap? And a lot of times, you know, environment influences behavior. So the very first thing that I do as a behavioral scientist and researcher is look to the environment of what in the environment is shaping your behavior.

And there's oftentimes a lack of reinforcement. And I just, when we say the word reinforcement in the general population, sometimes we just mean that praise and things like that, but it's like, no, do something that makes you happy that's not hockey, but that's hard to do, especially in the NHL when some of these guys have devoted their life to hockey

and all they know is hockey. So, a requirement of mine, if you work with me and you're a client of mine is that you have other hobbies. And that has been pretty hard to do actually. It's hard to convince these guys. You know, like Shane plays the guitar I tried I tried to play Luke get Luke gonna play the guitar But then he gave me some excuse that was in storage in Cleveland somewhere. I said I'll I'll send you one

I'll buy you a guitar Isn't there some story about Shane right playing guitar for Sidney Crosby? I think his agent can't Kenneth Stewart telling me about that. There's something along, maybe Crosby sent him a guitar or something. I don't know, but I know a guitar is big with saying right. Well, just in general, for any player, I'm just trying to think of it. I got to get better at this. I'm like, what hobbies can they have where they're not prone to injury? So that's hard you know, so that's hard to think about, but in any case, so to your point, it is, go ahead.

I was just saying, pause on that for one second, because the thing of, this is what makes this so fascinating because, you know, it's like, when you talk about it, you know what, you need to do something else, you need to have like another hobby to offset what you do. Like I get that, but then the other part of me, Dr. Nassar says the reason these guys got to the NHL is because of this, because of how obsessed

they were. And I'm going to take a shot at my own industry here in a second, because of how obsessed they were about this one thing to the detriment of everything else in their life. And what we try to do in media and you see this in intermission after intermission in feature after feature, what do we always try to do? Try to present them as more naturally whole. Oh, these are the other things that this player is interested almost as if we're avoiding the elephant in the room and the elephant in the room is in order to get where they are in the NHL,

they couldn't really have outside hobbies. They had to be so singularly focused to get there. And then people like me in the media want to be like, well, what else do they like? Are they good at making pancakes? Let's do a feature on that. Like, you know what I mean? Like in order to get there, you have to be so horse-blinder about your career. Yeah so can I say it can I respond to that? Of course. So I'm a contextual behavioral scientist. My training is also in

contextual behavioral science. The context matters and by that I mean it is so specific player to player. So what one of my clients might need is not what the other one might need. So there I do have some players that are on my roster who they are just so dialed in and nothing else other than hockey. And that's not up for me to decide if it's right or wrong or to try and change it. Like that's who they are. And that's actually to your point why they're so good. And then there's others where they just need a little bit of space from the game.

You know, kind of like in a relationship. Like maybe there's some that are like, I want to be with you all the time. There's some that are like, bit of space from the game. Kind of like in a relationship, like maybe there's some that are like, I wanna be with you all the time. There's some that are like, I need space from you. Yes. So, yeah. The best way to make this work is to not be around each other. That's the best way to make this thing work.

No, that actually doesn't work in hockey, but it is. Oh, by the way, further to this one, Jessica L in the chat submits, further to your point, Dr. Nasser, how important is it for them to have community and relationships outside hockey? It is such an insular sport. That's a really great question.

Community and relationships outside of hockey or inside of hockey? Outside of hockey. Outside of hockey. Okay, well, you know, again, I would actually, it's a wonderful question, and again, I would actually, it's a wonderful question. And again, I would answer it with my last response, which is that it is very much player specific.

You know, I don't know if it's so much your relationships have to be outside of hockey, so much as it is that the relationships need to be healthy relationships, okay? And in meaningful relationships and connecting over meaning. Because you, you know, you could jump around from team to team and that makes it difficult to, if you're not there long, to develop strong meaningful connections because, you know, the way that we develop meaningful connections

by shared experience, you, wasn't it, wasn't it you that said it's a shared experience in that interview that you had said to me, and two things mutually arising for us. Oh, the two things, it's the old Taoist saying, you know, things that may seem opposite are actually essential for the presence of each other. They arise mutually, Dr. Alicia Nasrull. They arise mutually, yes.

One of our long-winded late-night conversations, yes. So in any case, I don't think it's, They should ask, will they arise mutually? Yes. One of our long-winded late night conversations, yes. So in any case, I don't think it's, it just depends on the player, but I would say it's not so much outside of hockey as it is meaningful connections and relationships. And those can be inside of hockey, and oftentimes they are, you know. This can be very much a brotherhood

if you find the right group of guys. Let me close on one thing, so we're getting heavy on time, and I've taken so much of your time, and I can't wait to get this bill, because I'm sure it's going to be hefty. What do you think, again, I'm gonna be painting with a roller here on this one,

because every client of yours is different, but based on your experience with players in your line of work, what do you think we should know about NHLers based on how you work with them? Is there one common thread? Is there one, I always, maybe it's just a byproduct of getting older.

When I was younger, this is gonna sound like you do have me on the couch. When I was younger, I was younger, this is going to sound like you do have me on the couch. When I was younger, I used to, I was fascinated. This is like free. This is free therapy. Okay. That's why I wanted to have you on like therapy is so expensive. I'm going to have, I'm going to have Dr.

Nasser on. So when I was, when I was young, I think most young people are like this. I was, I would always look for the differences between things. This is different than that, is different than this, and this is all, it's easy stuff, right? It's like you're just starting to learn everything about life, and so the differences are profound and they're easy, and so you point them out.

As I get older, I'm much more interested in the similarities between things. I don't really care how much things are different anymore. I care more about how things are similar. Do you see any sort of similarity in your work with the clients that you have that maybe is specific to hockey? Well, this might be an obvious one

that maybe people already know, but you know, and I do work with some MLB players, I work with some NBA players and some guys on, you know, and I do work with some MLB players, I work with some NBA players and some guys that are pro golfers. And I've never met a group of guys who are so respectful and kind. That's definitely, you know, when I think of what makes them so different than maybe other, I'm not saying other athletes are not respectful and kind, but it's, it's a different, MLB players are awful.

You could say, I'll say it if you don't, they're the worst. The worst. No, but I mean, just, uh, um, you know, and this maybe gets to the point of just being so dialed in all the time. I don't know what it is, but, or maybe it's just the hockey culture, but there are that even just the subtle manners of like, of it sounds simple, but it's just the hockey culture, but there are even just the subtle manners of like, and it sounds simple, but it's actually not. It's pretty profound in the grand scheme of things,

but they're all so very respectful and kind. And actually the second piece that I'll add on to this answer is that they all want to, they want the edge. They're very eager to take what I have to teach them and implement it. And they ask really great questions. And it's something that I don't think people would, would assume, you know, off the bat is that they're very intrigued and want to, to adapt it to who they are

and their style of play stylistically. And then also as, as a person off the ice. So they're very curious and I don't think that they're given enough of an opportunity to express that to the public, not for any specific reason. I just think again, they're so dialed in. Perhaps the only other person here who lies when he says, okay, last question is Johnny Lazarus from the morning show. So I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I know you don't it. I'm going to do it. I know you don't, Laz.

I'm going to throw one more. Okay. I said the last question was the last question. This is really the last question, which probably- But wait, before you ask me, before you ask me a question, I need to say I liked Zach's tie. And Zach hopped off like to say,

but I love that tie. So we're trying to clasp the place up for you. I'm like, look, like we have like, like I always say, like we have like the soup on the Thai crowd here, right? Like we have like popcorn roll. I'll watch it watching the game here. Like it's, it's sloppy. So we want to, we want to clean it up a little bit here.

I want to make it a little bit nicer. Like here's the one that I have for you. So I'm sure you get this question all the time from parents of hockey players. Is there an age at which you think hockey players could use the type of help that you offer? Like, I know at some age, like you don't need someone when you're eight, nine, 10 years old, but like at what point do you think parents should start thinking about or young hockey players should start

thinking about, you know what, I saw her on Merrick's show, I follow her on Instagram, I might really benefit here. Well, I actually would ask the question of, when should I be concerned when they are coming to me and saying, I want my child to work with you? I mean, me and specifically, I just work with the pros, but it's in a few younger, a few young guys. But if you're coming to me and your son is 13,

and I guess it depends because it's more so that, are you coming to me because he's 13 or he's 10, 11, 12, 13 and he's has really, really, you know, anxious, bad anxious tendencies or he doesn't have any confidence. These are common things that I hear. It's definitely really great to reach out to a professional. But it's also then I asked the question of why is that so? Kids, what are we doing? And myself included, how can we set the environment

up better so that kids are not so anxious? So that kids are not so self-critical or have a complete lack of confidence, right? So I think the question is better asked of what can we be doing better to delay their need to seek your professional? Because then we know we're creating an environment that's supporting of healthy thoughts, healthy behaviors,

parent-child interactions. So I know I'm not answering your question, I'm not giving you a concrete answer, but that's because there isn't one. Definitely reach out to a professional for sure if things are very serious and severe and that should be assessed by a professional and all that. But it's more so about what can we be doing right now in the home, at the rink, where we're setting up an environment because again environment governs behavior such that we're creating healthy

children, right? And we're teaching children healthy self-concepts. And yeah, so, you know, that's actually how I started. And this is, I worked in pediatrics for over 10 years before I got into in sports. And so my overall mission and goal in life is of course to help people just live better quality of life. But I really care deeply about children and child development.

And children, there's sponges, you can shape them if we only are able to set the environment up and then ourselves do a hard look at ourselves and say as parents and as adults and professionals, how can we change our own behavior to help assist in their behavior? Okay, the real last question. And this one's a bit- Oh, goodness. And this one, I know, assist in their behavior. Okay, the real last question. And this one's a good one.

It's so bad. If you had, Jeff, if you had my brother on this show, we should win the way. We still have the start. I love your socials. Like, I follow everything and like everybody does. Everyone knows you. But take no offense by this, he's the freaking star.

He's so much cooler. Dude, he's so... He, your brother is like the coolest guy. And anyways, that is something. He's so cool. I love him. We should have him on. I would do that, I would do that yesterday. I would do that anytime.

You know, I'm really excited because I'm gonna start, I'm headed a meeting with the Canucks Autism Network. And so I'm gonna start to do some involvement where he Canucks Autism Network. So if I'm gonna start to do some involvement where he Canucks Autism Network. So if they become April around Autism Awareness Month, we have a special guest, Nasar on the- Book it now.

He is the coolest dude. Check out Dr. Nasser's social set to see what I'm talking about here. Okay, last one for you. And this one is about you. Is there one moment with any of your hockey clients? Like there are some obvious big ones. Oh, a big goal or two goal first star.

Like those are the, is, was there one moment that has stood out for you? That's made you really happy about your clients. That wasn't the obvious, Hey, I had two tucks and an apple kind of night. Is there something that you're like, ah, that makes me happy. Yeah, so I don't, you know, I'll give you an answer to give you an answer, but you know, to any of you who are surprised, someone might listen. I love everyone the same and equally, but there are just two responses I could give you. I love all my children. All my children. I love them all.

I love them all equally. I love them all. There's, I do. There, I really do. So it's hard, but there's, there's two and they're very simple, but it is those simple moments that are pretty profound. One is where, you know, we're in session and, and I know that a client is really like having a breakthrough or not even just a huge breakthrough, but just getting something out of it when they

ask a question back. And there was one moment in session with Johnny with Beacher when he asked a question about self-concept and I was like, ah, it's clicking. And it just, it made me happy because it really like made my heart very happy because it's not an easy concept to get. Even for myself, when I was learning this back in my doctorate, it's very difficult. So him asking me a question really made my heart happy because the asking of questions is the seeking of wanting

to know and do better. And then when Luca called up, I was actually sick. I was really sick for like a week. And I remember I texted him saying something like, sorry, I'll call you in a little bit. It was really sick. It hurt my throat to talk because I had a really scratchy throat. And he said, well, I have some news that I think will make you feel better. And I was like very excited.

And he said he had gotten selected for the All-Star game for the AHL. And then later on that night, I believe it was the same day as when he had gotten called up. And with him, it just made me, I was so happy for him that I started crying and I feel like I've been crying every day since honestly. Not just a little bit because of everybody. Everybody just makes me so happy. It's a good time.

Your clients are doing great and it's a great reflection on you. We've done about like this much of what I wanted to do with you today so you have to promise to come back and I'll promise like I won't like. I'll take the I won't like. I'll do this with my SAR. I'll take the SAR all day long. April sounds great to me. And I'll try to limit all the personal questions to try to get free therapy.

Thank you, doctor. Enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. If you're looking for flexible workouts, Peloton's got you covered. Summer runs or playoff season meditations, whatever your vibe, Peloton has thousands of classes built to push you. We know how life goes. New father, new routines, new locations.

What matters is that you have something there to adapt with you, whether you need a challenge or rest. And Peloton has everything you need. Whenever you need it. Find your push. Find your power. Peloton. Visit Peloton at OnePeloton.ca. Talk to you Alicia Nassar, who is fantastic, and Zach, who handles doing all the clips and doing all the short form stuff that we put on the socials, good luck clipping that. You could just make all of that, like one super long clip. Maybe just take out the part where she liked your tie. A little bit too self-illegit for you, Zach, but I mean, honestly, like I've had full transparency.

I've known Alicia for a while. We've had a lot of wonderful conversations and she's just like flat out a brilliant person. So it's glad to be able to get her on the show finally. And she won't be a stranger. Like we'll get, we'll get Dr. Nasser back sometime too. What'd you think?

Yeah, I thought that was awesome. And yeah, to the point about the clips, um, you know, that peek behind the curtain while the show goes on, I write down like time here's what to that one. I was like, all of it, like, I'm just going to have to grab all of this, put it back out. You're going to see later on Instagram, YouTube, all of it, just the full episode dropped back out on socials. It's like when I was at university, I just wanted to like, you know, write an entire

paper that was just like one footnote just like write a paper then like that number one just right at the very end like that's yeah that's what that's what that one was like but um thanks to Dr. Nasser for uh for stopping by today. Anything really resonate with you there? I thought it was really interesting how you guys brought up the conversation about players who they're very good at it, they don't like it. They hate it. Yeah, or hate it. People in the chat brought up that stuff.

I've grown up around people like that. I do, for sure, right? Everybody has. It's the one thing we never talk about in hockey. Like, I'm glad we got there, and I think we should probably talk about it more, is, you know, and I guess it's the truth of sports in general, but like, they're just like flat out, a lot of guys playing in the NHL that don't like hockey.

They've just done it their whole lives and like they're all, and it's fine. It's okay. Not everyone likes their job. Probably you listening, you watching right now, you don't like your job, so go do it, right? Still what you've always been trained to do. But I think we have this assumption that there's, you know, 760 guys in the NHL who all dream about the Stanley Cup.

Got news for you. Not the case. Not the case. Yep. Not the case. Nonetheless, that was a lot of fun and we'll do it again. Okay, 10 games on the go around the NHL this evening as we wrap up another edition here of The Sheet,

this brought to you by FanDuel. Proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. Roster updates, by the way. Updated daily at our daily face-off. Fantasy Twitter slash ex-feed. And there's a few. Jets Bruins should be an interesting one

at TD Garden, Cap Sends, the Battle of the Capitals. Kings and Lightning at Emily Arena, these are a couple of really good games tonight. Flyers, Islanders might get a little bit spicy as well. The Flames and the Ducks can the Calgary Flames continue to roll, roll, roll. The Oilers and the Red Wings, the Jackets and the Golden Knights, the Sharks and the Kraken, but I want to focus on the Minnesota Wild and the Montreal Canadiens and Marc-Andre Fleury. When you look at the history of goaltenders, now goaltenders, like goaltending is that position that attracts kids. Every kid I maintain wants to at least try it.

Most parents, and this is a theory that I have about Canadian parents specifically, for most Canadian parents, they don't want their kids to succeed at goaltending. I personally believe this is one of the reasons why Canada has a shortage of elite level goaltenders is because it's not encouraged. It's not encouraged at all. And I'm guilty of it. I am going to throw myself on the altar here and say, both my boys, when they first started

playing hockey, when they first started playing 10 bits, you do a rotation and everybody has to take the rotation and get a net. And like many Canadian parents, like you always, like Zach, he'll get there one day. You want your kids to succeed, but I just wanted both my kids just to get lit up and come off the ice crying saying I must get a sin never.

I know I'm a bad dad for doing it. I know I get it, but I want to get like totally pumped, like 12 to one cheers behind the mouth. I never want to do it. Maybe I got a little bit hurt too. Oh, I hurt that puck. I never want to do that again.

Yeah, pumper nickel. All right. No goaltenders here. Screw that. And I was a goalie growing up too. Anyway, that's my nickel and dime theory. Unresearched, unscientific about why we have a shortage of goaltenders. I've maintained

that if Canada was very concerned about you know restocking the shelves with goaltenders we would waive registration for those that want to play net as a way to encourage more goaltending in Canada at the youth hockey level, the minor hockey level. But nonetheless when you think of lovable netminers where do you put Marc-Andre Fleury? And I want to, I want to couch it this one way specifically for you, Zach, Maple Leafs fan. Great job on After Dark last night. Man, the chat was lively.

Thank you. And you raised a lot of good money for SickKids. So like over 200 bucks, like way to go bud. Um. Thank you. I've always maintained the most popular Toronto Maple Leaf ever was Johnny Bauer. Now this is the, you're too young for this, but like the thing about players is you have your generation.

Matt's had his generation. Dougie and Wendell had their generation. Keeon had his generation. Austin, Marner, Lee have their generation, Keeon had his generation, Austin, Marnelly have their generation, etc. But I'm always interested in the player that crosses over all of those generations. And were you ever at the then Air Canada Center, now Scotia Bank Arena, where they showed like visuals of Johnny Bauer and he's getting like pucks in the face and all of it and rappelling down like everything like, and the place goes berserk because he was such a wonderful personality.

You know, Honky the Christmas Goose is a great Christmas song that we like to play, recorded by Johnny Bauer in Yorkville in the 1960s, who, by the way, if you look at the credits on it, there's an N. Young, who would have been a studio musician in Yorkville at that time, and I do wonder if the great Neil Young was actually one of the session players on Honky the Christmas Boots. But that's been a white whale search of mine for years. But we've had some great lovable goaltenders, and I still maintain in your organization, the Toronto Maple Leafs, Johnny Bauer was the

most popular. But as it comes to right now, there's no more lovable goaltender than Marc-Andre Fleury. Agree or disagree? Agree. A hundred percent. Um, I think the one thing that would probably bump Johnny Bauer down in people's rankings is because he played for the Leafs and as much as I'm kidding, I'm not kidding.

And I think you probably agree with that. Uh, Marc-Andre Fleury is number one. You know, I listened to the boys talk about it on, again, I listened to them. I listened to basically my rotation is morning cup of hockey and then least morning take cause I wanted to know what they're saying. But I'm stressing them pretty much every day and they're talking about the flower, which fun fact, you know, Jay Russell scored his first NHL goal against. No way.

Mark-Andre Fleury. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty cool one to have under the belt, but they're talking about it. And how you agree with them is, you know, he's a guy everywhere he's gone, he's being beloved by the fans, the organization, his teammates. It doesn't matter.

No one has a bad word to say about the guy. Everyone's sad that he's gone. Everyone's happy that he comes. He seems like he's a guy who shows up every day, happy to be there. You know, whether he loves the game or not. I don't want can't put those words in his mouth He's happy to be there and be around people and be around the rink and makes everything better for everyone around him, which is very cool to watch someone be in the league this long and especially in a position of Goaltending where you could be, you know, the whipping boy on any given night, just take it on the chin, smile and move on.

He's been a awesome player to watch, follow and be watching YouTube prank videos of Mark Andre flurry throughout my child's touch. I'll tell you that. I'm going to see if I can get permission from Colby Armstrong to share something tomorrow. A video that he sent me that he had someone make for Marc-Andre Fleury. I'm going to say, honestly, I think you'll really enjoy this one. I'm going to talk to Colbs tonight to see if I have permission. And trust me, when you see it you're gonna be like no frick it's sitting on my phone it's my videos I'm gonna see if I can get a question to

show it tomorrow it's one of those like super cool like one of the coolest things I have on my phone anyway we'll do that we'll do that tomorrow as we wrap up the program I want to thank Dr. Alisha Nasser for for stopping by please follow her on all of her socials I just want to thank Dr. Alisha Nasser for stopping by. Please follow her on all of her socials. I just want to say a couple of words about Sean Simpson. Sean Simpson passed away. First of all, he's a tremendous broadcaster. He's a really good person. I didn't know Sean as much as other people knew Sean. and Ian Mendez wrote something quite beautiful about him on social media and they worked together for a long time

on the TSN radio affiliate in Ottawa hosting an afternoon drive show and you know Sean had his issues, Sean had his demons, we all have pasts. We all have things that we're fighting through in various degrees. I knew Sean to chat with him here and there. We would exchange direct messages. I wanna say semi-regularly based on the news of the day, I would say something that he would comment on and send me a DM or vice versa.

And he was always, you know, he could always tell how much he loved hockey and talked about and loved talking about hockey and how much he really enjoyed, enjoyed debate and enjoyed, you know, working your brain muscle over an issue. Um, what to data and, and, and first of all, condolences to all of his family and all of his friends and the entire Ottawa hockey community. Uh, who are in mourning over the passing of Sean, who was such a delightful guy and always had his heart in the right place.

Um, it's on a day like this where we're all reminded, um, that there are people struggling and there are people struggling that are around you right now. And you might know it or you might not, but if you do know, you know, I was speaking to texting rather, one person, uh, whose friendship I really value and I really cherish.

Someone that I got to know through the old podcast, he's a listener and we've always kept in touch and we've been through a lot of different things in our personal lives and always shared our feelings and experiences to be blunt, through the passing of family members. And I asked him today, I just said like, what, what do you need?

You know, what, what, what do you need? I know that you've, you've struggled at times, like, what do you need? And all he sent back to me was, you know, just check in every now and then and say hi. That's all. Just check in and say hi. And I just want to sort of close the show today

by offering my condolences and offering my respect to the Simpson family, the entire Ottawa hockey community, and just remind everybody, like, you know someone that's struggling. Just check in and say hi and make sure that they're okay and make sure that they know that you're here and you're available. Condolences to the family and He tried to give me a little medicine I'm like nah man that's fine I'm not against those methods but I knew

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