The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Feral Cats ft. Pierre McGuire & Mark Hunter

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

On this episode of The Sheet with Jeff Marek, Jeff is joined by Pierre McGuire and Mark Hunter to break down all the latest from the NHL playoffs and junior hockey. The crew dives into the Florida Panthers, taking a dominant 3-0 series lead over the Carolina Hurricanes, discussing how Florida is physically bullying Carolina and imposing their will. They also analyze how the Edmonton Oilers are dominating the Dallas Stars in the Western Conference Final, with key insights into what’s driving their success. Plus, Mark Hunter shares his thoughts on the London Knights' impressive run and what to expect at the 2024 Memorial Cup#NHL #JeffMarek #PierreMcGuire #MarkHunter #FloridaPanthers #CarolinaHurricanes #EdmontonOilers #DallasStars #LondonKnights #MemorialCup #StanleyCupPlayoffs #HockeyTalk #TheSheetShout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Ninja Kitchen Canada: https://www.ninjakitchen.ca/products/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system-zidFN101CGY?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=olv&utm_campaign=25Q2-Crispi&utm_content=en👍🏼Budweiser: https://www.budweiser.ca/ca_enReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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home of possibilities made easy. Anybody remember the iDesk? Zach, you remember the iDesk? Or are you even too young for that? Hockey Night in Canada features Scott Morrison than I did. It would be like on for like 45 seconds. And the minute that they threw to us, all I had was the producer in my ear, Mike Dotson, saying, back to Ron, back to Ron, back to Ron, back to Ron, back to Ron, back to Ron. Ron, back to Ron, back to Ron, back to Ron, back to Ron. Get it back to the host fast. Anyway, this was like 2010.

So you're like what four, five years old, maybe it's like 2010. Anyway, iDesk was an intermission feature. Sherelly Najak, I believe came up with it. The great former executive producer of hockey night in Canada. That was CBC Sports. And essentially it was an intermission feature where Scott Morse and I, keep in mind, this is 2010. You ready for it? Red tweets.

Ah. What are they saying online? Let's go to the Chevy iDesk. Thanks Ron. Well, in Chicago Chicago that was me and then me and ScoMo throw it back and forth but essentially we read tweets folks like you see it all the time in hockey media and

all kinds of media now and you look at you go you're reading tweets but I read tweets for a couple years in hockey and Canada so I'm gonna open up today's show by reading tweets reading tweets so shameless plug Night in Canada. So I'm gonna open up today's show by. Reading tweets. Reading tweets. So shameless plug, dailyfaceoff.com. I have my latest blog out.

One of the big stories that I put out today was, and you might just see this at the draft with Brady Martin as well, the Florida Panther effect around the NHL. You do not have a run like this without other teams paying attention. Now Pierre Maguire is gonna stop by here in, what's Pierre up in like 15 minutes? You coming up in quarter after? Seven minutes. Oh ten after, okay okay I better hustle then. And so we

talked a lot about you know players that some other teams should be paying attention to to pluck off the roster. He had mentioned Rick Dudley with the Buffalo Sabres, maybe going in as a senior advisor. I threw Sonny Mata's name in there as well, who's the assistant general manager and director of analytics and has been for a while. The Florida Panthers, Sovan Lefebvre, who handles the Blue Line, et cetera.

So I put out a couple of different things. Here's some names to keep an eye on. Like we know the players that teams are gonna go after, Beckblad and Marchand and of course Sam Bennett. Those are the obvious ones. And so some of the responses online, this one I really liked. Druid, how to win like Florida. One, draft generational two-way center.

That would be Alexander Barkov. By the way, you know who found him? You know who lobbied for him in the Florida Panthers scheduling department who's now with the Winnipeg Jets? Yari Kekulainen. That is Yarmou Kekulainen's brother know who lobbied for him in the Florida Panthers scouting department who's now with the Winnipeg Jets? Yari Kekilainen. That is Yarmou Kekilainen's brother who was a long time scout with the Florida Panthers. Anyway, it was him.

There were a number of offers. And that, by the way, is the legacy still of Dale Tallon on this roster. Let's not forget about the work that Dale Tallon did before Bill Zito. Steal a win at any cost 100 point hockey royalty winger. That would be Kachuk M. Trade for everyone named Sam. That would be Bennett and Reinhardt. Pick a top pair defender off waivers. Everybody could have had Gustav Forsling. Everybody could

have had Gustav Forsling once upon a time, but we like to call that the Lafave effect. More on that in my blog at dailyfaceoff.com. Russian goalie check, yes. More fins, check. Although that hasn't worked out for the Dallas Stars. Although you know one of their best fins is injured. And then perhaps the most important one, convince everyone to take a 30% discount. And that is just the realities of playing in a no-tax state. Now there's one other that I want to get to here. Here we go.

So Jonathan, by the way, that last tweet was from someone by the name of Druid, if that is indeed your real name. This one from Jonathan, LakeFXxJ, if that is indeed your real name. This one from Jonathan, Lake effects XJ if that is indeed your real name. Play fast, play dirty, have a competent goalie? Yeah, it's a good start. Here's the interesting thing about that and we'll get to the the the rundown, the Daily Outlines here in a couple of seconds off this point. You know, I was listening to the Athletic Hockey Show on the weekend, their excellent podcast and the Prospect series. Corey Prommann made a really interesting observation and it's something I've wanted to talk about

here for a while. You know, outside of Connor McDavid, who's the fastest player in the NHL, full stop. Uh, certainly the fastest with the puck. Who's a burner in the NHL? Like, do the Panthers play fast? No. Does Dallas play fast? No.

I mean, Edmonton had to go out and grab Kasperi-Kappen and cause they thought that outside of McDavid, they were too slow. So it's not like they're playing fast. The Carolina Hurricanes play fast. Like we put so much of a premium right now, although I think this may change on speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, which really started interestingly enough when the Carolina

Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup in 2006. And then everything became about foot speed, foot speed, foot speed. Because those Carolina Hurricanes teams, well that Carolina Hurricane team just gave you into the ground. They won the Stanley Cup, copycat league, everybody wants foot speed. And what wins the Stanley Cup the next year? Brian Burke and his nuclear missiles on the bench and the Anaheim Ducks. Now they had Scott Niedermeyer, I know, and they had Chris Pronger, etc. But the nuclear missiles and the tough hockey, the smash mouth hockeyim Ducks. Now they had Scott Niedermeyer, I know, and they had Chris Prong or et cetera, but the nuclear missiles and the tough hockey, smash mouth hockey from Brevig. What I'm saying is there's more than just one way to win the Stanley Cup, but I thought it was an interesting

observation. I'll be curious to get Pierre Maguire's thoughts on this one in a couple of moments, because I think this benefits a couple of people specifically in this year's NHL draft, and we'll get to that coming up in a couple of moments. In the meantime Let's get to our program today. Shall we? Daily rundown, daily outline presented by our friends at FanDuel Daily outline presented by FanDuel make every moment more with North America's number one sports book And we have a few things to go over today NHL things and also Memorial Cup things So Pierre Maguire, longtime hockey observer, former coach, former manager, former player, son plays hockey as well. He'll be aboard in a couple of minutes here. Mark Hunter, who is the general manager and also the owner of the London Knights 2-0 at the

Memorial Cup right now. Copy the Cats, want to pick up on that conversation here with Pierre in a couple of moments. Well oiled indeed. Outside of that second period yesterday where Dallas took over and Stuart Skinner said, I got this don't worry about it and then Conor's course with like a handful of seconds left in the second period and Dallas goes into the dressing room going, we had that period. Then Skinner, then McDavid, what do we do now? And we'll talk about the Memorial Cup as well. It's been a, going into it, we knew it was gonna be a fantastic tournament.

And all the games have been great. I mean, yesterday with three to one, but that was an empty netter between Ramoski and the London Knights. London Knights are perfect two and oh, but every single game has been close, and these games have been really, really good so far. Mark Hunter stops by after we talk to our next guest

and that is Peter McGuire. And this segment is a presentation of Budweiser. Budweiser is encouraging buds to make time for the playoffs, not excuses. Every goal, every check, every win is better enjoyed with your buds. Phone a bud, text a bud, ping a bud, and call out their excuses for bailing on the playoffs.

After all, the playoffs are the most wonderful time of the year, make them count. When it's springtime, it's go time. And it's time for us to go to one of our favorites. No stranger to this podcast or other podcasts or other TV shows or radio shows. He is the one and only Pierre Maguire, a longtime analyst and observer, and he joins me. Now, Pierre, I'm not sure if he caught any Memorial Cup, but the NHL action was hot and so it was indeed in Rimouski as well. Mark Hunter is gonna stop by a little bit later on. Before we get to the NHL, do you have a quick thought on Mark Hunter and if I don't know if you saw much of the Memorial Cup this weekend, maybe a thought or two there? Well the Hunter

family's done an amazing job as the caretakers and the proud owners of the London Knights. If you think about when the London Knights were purchased by the Hunter family and where they were at that time and where they are now, it's just an amazing story. It really is. Mark was a great player. He wasn't a good player. He was a great player.

I coached a lot when Dale was playing and I coached a lot when Mark was playing. They're both phenomenal athletes and I don't want to forget Dave either, by the way. He's kind of the forgotten brother, but I don't want to forget Dave either. And the biggest thing is the London Knights are professionalism personified. I can't stress out enough. And if you're fortunate enough to be part of that organization, you become a better player in the herd. You really do. You see them scattered all over, right? You know, Evan Bouchard scores yesterday. Oh yeah, London night, you know, Robert Thomas before with the St. Louis Blues and watching Matthew Kachuk. And Corey Perry, who's going to be like, I'm always curious about the last man standing in every single draft. He's gonna outlive them all from 2003,

which we looked at, said maybe the best draft of all time. That's me, Corey Perry. Oh yeah, I wanna share this with your viewers and listeners, Jeff, because we see it the same way. So in 2005 was a nuclear winter, and I know you wanna talk about the 06 Carolina hurricanes, and I can't wait to talk with my theory on that. But in 05,

I spent two months with my partner at TSN at the time, Gordon Miller, doing the women's worlds in Sweden, the boys under 18s in Českobudovice in the Czech Republic, it was also in Pilsen, and then we did the men's in Innsbruck and Vienna. And when it was over, I got a call from my boss at TSN at the time, Mark Millier. And Mark says, don't go home, go right to London. Crosby's playing in the Memorial Cup against the London Knights and we want you to go and do daily reports from them. I said, a hundred percent. So I just spent two months over in Europe and I go right to London. I'm not kidding you. And this is really the beginning of the end for Major Junior Hockey in a positive way. The London Knights would just take over from everybody.

And I watched Corey Perry in the final play against, obviously, Sidney Crosby in the rear-musky oceanic, and Sid got his team there. Yeah. To watch Corey, now remember, this is coming out of the World Junior, which is that crazy World Junior that has a line of Corey Perry, Sidney Crosby, and Patrice Bergeron. Like if you look

at that, it was crazy. But Jeff, I was in there to London and I'm watching this going, oh my gosh, the hunters have created a Goliath that Lamont has stopped. And it's really when you think about it, that's exactly what they bought. They've done a remarkable job. You know, it's funny because after that Memorial Cup, and the same thing happened between Calgary and I want to say Red Deer. So the game after, I go to London to watch the Knights play the Kitchener Rangers, and you know where I'm going with this one. There's a scrum by the bench, and which two peel off,

and they're laughing the whole time they're throwing fists in each other's mouths. Corey Perry and Mike Richards, who we just saw like five minutes ago, maybe the most dominant junior team of all time. And I'm sitting there, I'm going like, these two guys are laughing as they're, but it's the Kitchener London rival.

It's like right away it's like, yeah, we used to be teammates and now we're supposed to hate each other again. So just to build off that, if you go back and you look at the schedule, and I know you got a great recall for all this stuff, Brent Sutter was the coach of the 05 team. He's the owner and president and emperor for life. Like the hunters are in London, he's that red. And so he's got Dion Faneuf playing for him. And the Calgary Hitmen have a guy named Ryan Getslav playing for them. And so they just finished winning the first two gold. And the first game back, Fred Dewey and Calgary.

So guess who f**ked off the opening draw? Getslav and Faneuf. Yeah. And I think, didn't Andrew Ladd and Steven Dixon go as well? Like, I think there was another one. Well, Dixon was Quebec Major Junior. Not Dickson, who am I thinking of? There was one more, not Dickson.

But is Andrew, because there were two. I had to remember who was involved. Andrew Ladd was. I gotta remember who did it. I gotta remember who else was in the whole crap. I was just cuckoo crazy while I was going on. So, just showed you all these great guys. So, let's

just go to oh six because character matters. Yeah. And I've had this theory forever because that's when NBC started covering it. And so our first Stanley Cup final was the seven game series, Carolina versus Edmonton. And I always had this theory. The reason why Carolina made it look so easy, because we're coming into the new rules and no red line. Peter Labialette was the only coach at the time in the NHL who had played without a red line in college hockey when he played at Westfield State. So no team understood big ice tactics in terms of the stretch play more than Carolina. So I don't know if they were the fastest team, but they definitely stretched you the most

and they were the quickest because they moved the puck the quickest. Interesting. Because I can recall because all that season, the Carolina Hurricanes weren't expected to do anything. And maybe, you know, if they don't make that goalie change against the Montreal Canadiens early, maybe the Montreal Canadiens go through and we're not even talking about the Carolina Hurricanes. But it'd be all season long, you know, they just start piling up wins and we'd say, oh, that's cute, Carolina's winning, oh, that's cute, and the next thing you know, Rutherford's loading up even before trade deadline time

with all these A-list players, and the next thing you know, all of a sudden, we have Cam Ward, and I still think that Corey Stelman should have won the Conn Smite, with all due respect to everybody else, I thought that Corey Stelman was the best player in that Stanley Cup final, but still. Oh, by the way, Colin Frazier is the guy I was picking up, not Steven Dixon. It was Colin Frazier. It was Colin Frazier. Okay.

So that's what I'm saying. So I think as quickly, as quick as maybe Carolina was, Steve, they were the best team at adapting to the new rules in the league. And Peter Labialette deserves a lot of credit for that. The coach he coached against that year was Craig McTavish, if you remember. Oh yeah, blocked shots, blocked shots. Everybody says Craig McTavish thinks he was a major junior player. He wasn't. He played at the University of Massachusetts at Lowell. He played for a guy named Billy Riley.

So I'm just telling you, there was a big difference because those guys understood the stretch game more than anybody else because never made your junior guys ever experience that. And correct me if I'm wrong, but McTavish was one of, I don't know if he was the first. I always get weird when I say like, oh, he was the first because everyone's sort of done something before.

Was he not, let me say it this way, was he not though the first to popularize the idea that we all block shots? I can remember those practices that Edmonton had and there was all those tennis balls on the ice and everyone's block, I don't care if you've never done it before, you're a super, we're all blocking shots.

That was- I would say he was a big part of that because you're right about the, but I would say this, there was an assistant coach at work for a guy named John Muckler in Buffalo, and especially in the old odd, his name was John Tortorella.

Hi, I don't think we're familiar. We used to play them a lot when my coach hired me. They were pretty good at chop-locking, and I think John had a big voice in what was going on there too. Okay, to the playoffs right now, a couple of things before we get to what we actually saw. The idea, we've always had this idea right now

that this game is all about speed, speed, speed, speed, speed is the fly zone NHL. And that's true for Connor McDavid, absolutely. I look at, when I watch Amir Haskin and Gatherer Gust, he can really pick it up. But when you look at all you know, when I watch, you know, Amir Haise can gather a gust. He can really pick it up. But when you look at all these teams that are left, Kasperi Kaepernick can fly for the Oilers, clearly. But Florida Panthers aren't a fast,

he wouldn't describe them as a fast team. You know, you described Carolina as a hardworking team. There are elements of Dallas that are quick, but I wouldn't call them overall a fast team. Are we looking right now, because I wonder about the draft this year with someone like Brady Martin specifically as a Florida style player.

Like I do wonder what the Florida effect is going to be to the rest of the NHL, right? Like right now, everyone, like you're looking to draft playoff players now. And that's why I think like, I think Brady Martin might go as high as four to Utah because everyone's thinking like,

we gotta get ourselves a Bennett. We gotta get ourselves this style of player. That's why I think Brady Martin's gonna be right up there. What do you think the Florida effect is going to be? Because listen, one more win in there in the Stanley Cup for the final for the third time in as many seasons. What's the effect here, Pierre? Massive, because Kichuck's not a fast player,

but his brain works at another level. His brain power is excessive. Sam Bennett's not a slow player, he's not a super quick player. What he is is a powerful player. Now Barkov is the same, he's not super fast, he's really a super quick player. What he is a powerful player. Now Barkov is the same. He's not super fast. He's really just his brain power is unbelievably quick and he makes things happen because of that. But to me is how quick do they transition the puck from defense to offense?

I think that's kind of the best stick for them and they're so good at it. I've never seen a team play such an aggressive five-man four-check, Jeff, that force turnovers transition. So, they're on the defense to begin with. Then they go on the offense. Then they're into the cycle. Then they're into jamming the net. And then a whistle happens.

And then where they're really quick, they lure you into losing your identity because they drive you nuts at the point of attack. I've never seen a team force other teams to lose their identity quicker than what the Florida Panthers do to their opponents. They're amazing at it. I've seen a team force other teams to lose their identity quicker than what the Florida Panthers do to their opponents. They're amazing about it. It really is remarkable how they completely get you off the game. I think of a team, like I personally think that that Islanders team, that dynasty squad

who could play any way you wanted, so many different unique personalities on that team may have been the best team that I ever saw. I know those Lemieux Penguins were special obviously. But when you look at the Florida Panthers, I wonder about, and this is where you can really speak with authority, Paul Maurice. Paul Maurice has enjoyed obviously his most success with the Florida Panthers, the ultimate success.

The Stanley Cup previous, you know, the Carolina Panthers, the ultimate success, the Stanley Cup previous, you know, the Carolina Hurricanes and the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Winnipeg Jets, et cetera. And I always wonder, you know, it was not that long ago that you and I had the conversation about Jules Maloch. And if Jules Maloch played on the Habs or the Islanders or the Bruins or whatever, pick one of those teams, Flyers,

he'd probably be in the hockey hall of fame. And it's safe to say Jules Milos would be in the Hockey Hall of Fame, he was that good. Just stuck on some bad teams. How much, and again, you might just chalk this up to luck. How much is coaches finding the right team as it is to a team finding the right coach? You know what I'm getting at?

Like, Paul Mareese is the same guy. Yeah, so I don't want to disparage any other coaches who've been in the league. I've been prudish enough to be part of that fraternity. I'm proud to say I was, and I did it at a real young age. But here's the deal, Paul's a really good coach, but Paul's gotten better as a coach. What Paul's done probably as well or better in Florida is delegated authority unbelievably well. So Sylvia Lefebvre has done a magnificent job with their defense. How come Nico Michola couldn't play in St. Louis, couldn't play in New York, but can

play in Florida? You know, you think about that for a second. Forsling, you brought it up before I was listening to you talk to Zane. Gustav Forsling is an acquisition on waivers, but you know the guy that knew them, you got to be an expert in your area, Joel Quenville. Joel Quenville had him in Chicago. So Joel says to the manager, you know what? You bring this guy down here, we're going to make this guy better.

And they did because he's got the ability. So Sylvain Raffae is doing a good job. So Paul's delegated to him. Tomoruto has done an amazing job with their forks. You see how the depth players play? They remind me of Tuomo Urutu. They're skilled, they're big, they're mean, they're nasty. That's Tuomo.

Then you've got Jamie Kampa, who works on the bench. He's a guy that understands tactics and tendencies and how to make in-game adjustments. Go look at when Paul Maurice has to say something or think something, he turns to his right or his left, and the guy standing next to him is Jamie Campa. What I think Paul's teaching everybody is that it's okay to delegate authority, surround yourself with high quality people, and they'll make the entire program better. They're as good a staff as I've seen in a long time. You know I'm glad you mentioned Tuomo Ruto and as you can, I recall watching Tuomo Ruto play.

I just wish injuries were not an issue with Tuomo Ruto because I watched Ruto and I'd say to myself, much like I delighted in watching Peter Forsberg because there was that era where the best power forward in the NHL was Swedish. I remember watching Ruto and saying to myself, we're on the verge of having the best power forward in the NHL as a Finn. And growing up, that was a completely baffling concept, much like the idea of everybody, how many years ago, like five years ago,

if I said, hey Pierre, you and I are gonna be having a conversation of five years about how everybody wants to copy what Florida's doing. We would have laughed off the airwaves. That's not working. So you know, we were talking about the three Hunter brothers, Pumup, the Hale and Lark, and obviously Dale. So I think about the Root Two brothers, Nico who's scouted over 2000 games for Ottawa. He's in Helsinki. Then you think about Yarko. Yarko was a devil. He drove everybody that played against nuts. So he's different than Nico and Jarko's different than Tuomo. And then

he got Tuomo and two years later, he was so skilled. He's an amazingly skilled player and he was a whole lot of nats. He was a nasty piece of shit. He wasn't fun to play against. And I just, I got to tell you, I like to see those brother stars can't even imagine what it'd been like on an update for their poor mother. Yeah, get out of the house, go leave, go take the act elsewhere. I was mentioning my blog this morning and I mentioned to you like, you know, Brady Martin is the one that stands out to me. You know, I wonder, I'm always a big proponent, I take the best player available,

but right now everyone is looking what the Florida Panthers are doing and everybody's saying, you know, it's the old Mark Bergevin line, Pierre, there are players that get you there and there are players that get you through. Um, everyone's looking for those guys that get you through and looking for like drafting a playoff style player.

That's why I wonder about Brady Martin. Do you think that there's a chance that someone like him, or maybe even like, again, we've all, all like a Porter Marton with, uh, with, with Brampton steelheads and maybe his boots are a little bit heavy, but like good size, you know, has a lot of skill. Did the Florida Panthers open some doors for other players in the draft this year? A hundred percent. I really believe that.

And I had no inside knowledge. I talked to an NHL gym yesterday, and I was like, Oh, I'm going to Florida Panthers opened some doors for other players in the draft this year. 100%. I really believe that. And I had no inside knowledge. I talked to an NHL gym yesterday. We didn't talk about the draft. We were talking about Florida and what's going on with the Islanders and some other things. But we did not talk about the draft at all. But I see what you see. I agree with what you're saying, Jeff.

And to me, the biggest thing is, I know people are going to take this the wrong way in Carolina. It's not meant to be the wrong way. Please just listen to me for a second. Barkov, Dennett, Lundell, and Nosik, and you can even put Sturm in there. You measure it all against the four centermen that Rod Brindemore has at his disposal. It's not even close. No disrespect meant to Sebastian Alve. He's not playing ahead of Barkov and he's not playing ahead of Bennett. He's a Florida Panthers and he might not be playing ahead of Lundell. So, that might be your four center. Jordan Stahl is one of my favorites. My best friend,

it was his legacy pick, Ray Sherrill, drafted Jordan Stahl. I'll always be attached to that because of the respect I had for Ray Sherrill in Pittsburgh and in Jersey and everywhere else where he was. But is Jordan playing ahead of those three centermen? He's playing ahead of Nolsek, but he's not playing ahead of Lundell. He's not playing ahead of Bennett, and he's not playing ahead of Arkoff. So they're getting slaughtered at the center ice position and nobody wants to talk about it. Nobody. What did you make of, speaking of centers in Carolina, what did you make of Kachak going

after Ajo, the likes of which he did on Saturday? It's old school and he took it upon himself. He grew up in a hockey house. And then that all started in game two when Sebastian Ajo did what he did to Sam Reinhardt. But that's all that is. And you know what? He did it at a time when he knew he could do it. No consequences. Yeah.

Take the penalty. That's fine. He grew up sitting on his dad's lap watching games. And that's why I think kids who grew up in a hockey house have a tinge of an advantage. I'm not saying this is putting all kinds of glory on hockey, but this is what happens. This is part of intimidation. As long as we're playing in an enclosed surface, intimidation is going to be part of the game. And now, let's see, keep your head up. He knows. I'll be watching. Keep your head up. You know, interesting on that play, there's a couple of things. Right away, you're right, this is old school. Like this isn't just old school, it's from the school they burned down to build the old school.

Like Dominika Cech grabs Ajo and throws it down. What do the other Panther players do? They all grab a guy. They all grab a guy. Like, and Forsling, Gustav Forsling, waiver wire Forsling, one of the best defensemen in the NHL, stands right beside Kachak so no one else gets involved. What happened Saturday night at the Four Nations event in Montreal when they had the set-two in Canada?

How'd that start? The two Kachak brothers, you don't think that they knew what they were doing? They're trying to plant a seed of doubt. I respect these kids so much. I had the opportunity to actually go work with Brady when I was in Ottawa. Brady's a champion player. I know it didn't go the way they wanted it to in the playoffs this year, but long-term, Ottawa's going to be a record machine. They're going to be a really good team. They are. And Matthew, people forget when Matthew got traded out of Calgary, when he was playing with the late Johnny Goodrell and Elias Lindholm- Oh. Best line league. Oh, that was the best line in the league.

Best line league. And I mean, no disrespect to the late Johnny Goodrell, none to Elias Lindholm. It ain't even close. Matthew made that line go. I was into Calgary a lot and nice to scour and Matthew was phenomenal. All right. Edmonton Oilers and what they're doing to the Dallas Stars. Now, the caveat here is again, like two years in a row, no Rupee hands and that's just a crusher. The Dallas Stars early played without Miro Haskinen and they were okay, but remove Rupé Hins this deep into the playoffs, and it's a different world. Although, second period yesterday, Dallas was fantastic.

But so was Stuart Skinner. Skinner was amazing, and then McDavid scores, and they go back to the dressing room thinking to themselves, like, what do we have to do here? You turn around, it's a six to one final and everyone's singing La Bamba. I don't wanna say that this one's over, but there was, you know, you look at game one

and it was a bad five and a half minutes by the Edmonton Willers and the Dallas Stars piled it on. Second period yesterday was the Dallas Stars period. But other than that, it's been at times domination by the Edmonds, New Orleans, and not just Connor McDavid, but Zach Hyman, excellent again yesterday. How about that pass from Evander Kane, that beautiful little sauce pass to him?

Like it ends Evan Bouchard with, you know, we see a bush bomb yesterday. It's John Klingberg. How rich and deep do you think that smile was for John Klingberg scoring against the Dallas Stars yesterday? Like what are you seeing in this series, Pierre? Everything you just saw. I've seen nine periods of play in this series. Seven of them won by Dallas, or sorry, by Edmonton. Two have been won by Dallas. So I think that's a bit

of an issue for Dallas, number one. Number two, you're spot on about role play hints. No role play hints. It makes Mikael Grandlin not as good and it obviously makes, you know, Rantami not as good. And then on the back end, for whatever reason, Hart is not as good as what he was in the previous series and I think that's fatigue. Remember, this coming out party was the Four Nations. He was great as a late Colin, but you can see there's some fatigue on the tire right now for him. And I thought in game three, Jay Gautier had his worst game of the playoffs. I believe he'll bounce back in game four, but he's going to have to get an A plus player in game four and they're going to have to get a whole lot more from everybody else in the lineup. And if they don't, they're going back home down 3-1. That's just how it's going to be. You know, one of my favorite players in the playoffs, one of my favorite players

altogether is Zach Hyman. And you know, I had Zach on earlier this year and we were talking about, actually we ended up talking about Red Berenson. And he said that, you know, yeah, he had him in Michigan, obviously, Wolverine days, right? So I remember watching Zach playing in Hamilton in the OJ and he was big time scorer, he's going to Michigan. And he said like, my first year I had one goal. Like I was, this was like a big wake up call for me. And Red talked to me about, look,

you're not gonna be able to play like you did in the OJHL here. It's not gonna translate right now. You gotta find a B game. Your A game's not working, you gotta find yourself a B game. And that's how Zach Hyman turned himself and full credit to Hyman, like turned himself into the hardest working player on every single team that he's on.

And sometimes we see that hard work in Hyman who's got a hundred plus hits so far in these playoffs. And sometimes we see what we saw yesterday, which is a couple of goals. Do you have a thought on, on, on Hyman, like, not just, not just this series, but just in general and the guy that is going to try to outwork everybody else to show that he belongs amongst the top teams in the NHL. First of all, the whole league is happy that he's in Edmonton and not with the Florida Panthers because that's the team that drafted him. Do you imagine Jeff? Yeah, I know., kid, traded to Toronto, high success, full body player. I don't get it. I don't like

get into it, but I want to celebrate the greatness that is Zach. One of the true gentlemen in the league, but when he gets on the ice, he flips a switch. He's not a nice Gatlin play, which is a compliment. His puck projection skills and confined air is really good. Vastly underrated speed. Excellent board player. Fearless slot area player. Can play down in your lineup or up in your lineup. And so when you're seeing him with Connor McDavid and Ryan Mugent-Hoffing, you're like, this is almost a perfect line. You know, Nuge's brain, they thought about brain power before. Nuge's brain's at another level. It always has been. Connor's world-class skill is really apparent.

And then you got the bump, the grind, and the nasty, you know, of Zach and his tough self. Really tough. I have so much respect for that man. Not only is he a great hockey player, he's a good author. That's right, kids books, I know. Well, here's my question. I don't know if you believe in karma, Pierre.

I don't know if that's something you believe in, but I don't know what Zach Hyman did in another life, but in this life, he's gone from playing with Austen Matthews to playing with Conor McDavid. Like, I'm like, I remember asking, like, did you like pull like a family out of a burning house in a previous life? Like, what'd you save, like a drowning child or something?

What did you do to deserve like this abundance of riches on the ice that you've enjoyed? I mean, the luxury. No kidding, right? To me, the story though is, and this Conor McDavid, we always make everything about how fast his feet are. Man, his hands are fast too. We saw that on display yesterday again.

But the Stuart Skinner story is one that I can't get enough of. There's a joke online, you need to start calling him the George Foreman grill because there's only two settings, on and off. That's it. But when he's on, he's really, really on. And he's really on right now. And he's confident. You know that intersection between confident and calm?

That's where he is. I used to see that from Carey Price. He's that, you know that intersection between confident and calm. Like that's where he is. Like I used to see that from Carrie Price. And I was like telling the story about how, you know, after, after you would interview Carrie Price after a game with the Montreal Canadiens and you couldn't tell who won or lost, he was just so calm the whole time. That's how I like my goalies. And that's what I'm seeing on a Stu Skinner right now. You got also give credit to his mental strength to go through his body.

Oh yeah. Like he gets pulled off the game two in the LA series, you know, and then he goes in for game three in the last series against Vegas and he gets beat on a Riley Smith goal off a dry saddle with less than a half a second to go. And then he pulls two shutouts out of the bag in games four and five, which is amazing to me. And then you see how he started this year's with a loss and then he responds with a shutout on Big D and then obviously huge success in game three yesterday afternoon in Edmonton. But I would just say this, I don't know him as a person.

I just know him as an athlete. His athleticism was nominal, but here's one thing that's becoming very apparent. All coffee and Mark Stewart, just like Sylvain Lefebvre has done a good job in Florida, all coffee and Mark Stewart have done a great job at the defense of Edmonton. Because when you watch them, whether it's Evan Bouchard, John Clingberg, Brett Kulak, Troy Stetcher, Jake Wallman, doesn't matter. When there's a second chance opportunity and rebound control is not the strength of the skewered skinner. It's not unless he gets in the chest.

It's not those second chances. You're getting cleared away. Don't that defense for Edmonton has done a great job insult. And I give them a ton of respect. Yeah. Speaking of blue liners, like, look, it looks like Mathias at home is on his way back. I like hearing you talk about Troy Stetcher too.

I just love the story and I love the player. I don't. I got to talk about him. Amen. BC League, let's go. You know, I look at Stetcher and I say, I don't want him to come out of the lineup, but here's Matthias Echolme. And how do you not put Matthias Ekholm into this lineup?

Like you've coached before. 11-7. 11-7. 11-7. What the board did really wisely when they put Hayskin in the lineup, 11-7 to make sure you got any chance policy. That extra four doesn't really matter. What's he going to play?

Four to eight minutes in the game? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Yeah. How does that work tactically? I remember, you're right, Dallas did it against the Winnipeg Jets, and part of the thinking is, you wanna get Ranton in more ice time, and what's it gonna be like for matchups for Arneal?

What's it like for the other coach, when you do the 11-7? Well, just really about the top two lines, really. Really, really about the top two lines. really. Really, really about the top two lines. And what I would say about that is I don't think there's been a team that's done better than the Tampa Bay Lightning. And so whether it's Robbie Zettler who runs at the fence or whether it's Jeff Halpern who helps Cooper up front, they've done a really good job in Tampa going 11-7.

I think they're one of the better teams we've seen in a long time going 11 at seven. So if I were a coach at a lower level watching for that, I'd be watching what Tampa does because I think they do it as well. Do you have a thought on the world championships and USA beating Switzerland in overtime? Now a lot of people grow us about the three on three, I get it.

Real nice shot by Tej Thompson. I was having a conversation with someone and I saw this pop up online. I think it was Reddit as well. Who do you think might be? I'm putting you on the spot here. I don't even have an answer myself. Maybe actually, maybe the answer is Matthew Kachuk.

The Triple Gold Club. Who would be the first American member of the Triple Gold Club? So the World Championship, the Stanley Cup, and the Olympics. Well, that'd be hard for the Americans. Tough. They won gold in 60 and 80. So, you know, that's hard because how many of those guys outside of Kenny Morrow won, you know, Neil Broughton won the Stanley Cup. I mean, that's hard because how many of those guys outside of Kenny Morrow won, Neil Broughton won the Stanley Cup.

I mean, it's a hard one to see. The guys did it. So that's a hard one to answer. You're not putting me on the spot at all because I don't know- I don't know- Too easy rough. There's 60 and there's 80. Morrow couldn't have played in the world championships because he's tall.

Because the Islanders kept winning cups. And the same with Broughton. I mean, you know, people forget Broughton played in the Stanley Cup final in 91 from Minnesota. Minnesota. Played in the Stanley Cup final for New Jersey. Yeah. You know, like, so, they weren't playing it, they won world championships.

It's funny, I just mentioned, you know, Zach Hyman and Karma a couple of seconds ago, and you bring up an even better example in Ken Morrow how'd you like that? You want a gold medal then you go in Stanley Cup Ken Morrow thinking of self this hockey stuff's easy Ohio plays a bowling dream and then all of a sudden he's really know what I just now that we're on that stuff, though One of my real go-to guys and all this stuff is Brian Trotty. I had the honor to have him in our press room and talk to Brian a lot over the course of my career. Brian, like people look at those 91 and 92 Penguins, they don't understand Brian was our

third line center, but he was kind of part of our coaching staff. He made guys understand what it was to win. You know, outside of Joey Mullen on those 91 and 92 teams, well, 92, we had a lot of guys who had won in 91, but Joey was there, had won in Calgary in 89. We didn't have a lot of guys that had a lot of experience when it came to win it. You know, we just didn't. And, um, so Ryan was a big voice for that stuff. And I think that's where teams can learn so much from what Craig Patrick did by bringing in a guy. Before I let you go, one thing I want to get your thoughts on. So your podcast partner,

the great Jimmy Murphy. So with RG, he's got a really good interview with Marty Walsh, executive director for the NHL Players Association. I read it this morning and a real good interview. I encourage everyone to go have a peek at this and listen, Merche is a great guy too. One of the things that he brings up, and I know this is a touchy issue around NHL owners, but he brings up expansion and wonders if this is an area

that the players may pursue. Now everything so far has gone fine as we understand it to the NHL and the players association. I see that issue as a no fly zone for ownership. I don't want to say it's a hill you die on the old saying from Bill Daley and previous lockouts. But when I hear players wondering about expansion money, I say to myself, oh, that's going to be a speed bump. Because I'm sure they won't want to be there for the cash calls.

But nonetheless. That's a no. I'm going to use your term, Jeff, because I think it's really appropriate. No fly zone. I'm not seeing, haven't been fortunate enough to be in some board of governors meetings over the course of my career I'm gonna say that's a no-fly zone. Yeah That was a I'm glad that that Jimmy asked because it's a great and an obvious question for the executive director

It's a it's a great piece at our G dot dot org. All right, great stuff as always Pierre enjoy the game tonight We'll see what happens here We may have you know, the Florida Panthers making their way to the Stanley Cup final again, or the Carolina Hurricanes staving off elimination, we shall see. Always great to be with you, my friend. You be well.

You are so good at this. Thanks for having me, Jeff Pocketson. It's the Adam, Wild, and Jack show. Podcast, we're doing it. So I've got a kid. Shocker, I'm gay. Here's what happens with open relationship. What about us scream 60 minutes? All right, let's welcome Atlanta, Chase, Dara, Dan to Left on Red.

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You know, there was, there were a lot of teams that, you know, when the Blackhawks went on their run, tried to emulate the Chicago Blackhawks, we tried to emulate, you know, the Pittsburgh Penguins. You know, a lot of it comes down to luck at the draft and good development and getting the right players. But right now, stylistically, and again, this isn't, this Florida Panthers team is not a team that burns you with speed at all.

In this era where we keep saying, if you're not a high end skater, there's no room in the game here for you. Show me the high end skaters on the Florida Panthers. They're not high end skaters, they're high end competitors. Like this is a team that competes hard. Are they dirty sometimes?

Yeah, they expect their players to walk on the edge and every now and then they're going to step over and so be it. They look at penalties and suspensions as the cost of doing business. I really do, the more this Panthers run continues, the more I really believe and will see this effect at the NHL draft that teams will be looking for players that compete hard as opposed to just players that have fast feet. Now, when you're talking about model franchises and you're talking about the Canadian Hockey League,

there is one team that has been number one for a long, long time and that continues at this year's edition of the Memorial Cup and that is the London Knights, their general manager and owner, no stranger to hockey viewers, Mark Hunter joins me on the sheet now. Mark, thanks so much for doing this. How are you today? Good, Jeff. How are you doing? I'm doing very well. We're just talking about the nature of the Florida Panthers and how they're not burners, they're not super fast. It's just a team that competes harder than anybody else.

And when I think about people that are at the rink and scouting a lot, your name always comes up and you're, you're, you're always there. Period here, two periods. Are I going to go see this guy, that guy, that guy. When you evaluate players, where is competitiveness for you? Well, it's the high end. I mean, if they're not ready to compete every night, it's always a problem. So we're constantly looking for people that want to bring it all and lay it on the table.

And you know what? Sometimes it's hard to find a player to do that all the time. You know, the success story that has been, you know, the London Knights under your family's ownership is remarkable and Pierre McGuire and I were just talking about 2005, maybe the best junior team of all time right up to the Memorial Cup right now. I think we all wonder like, okay, Mark, what's the secret sauce?

Like what's the secret ingredient here? This team is always elite. This team is always high end. There are plenty of peaks and the valleys aren't very deep at all. How do you do it? Well, you know, when I think we got a group of people that would work together, of course, my brother and myself, you know, we hand on, we're talking to each other on a consistent basis to be what we want, how we want to form our team. And I think that's important with a coach and manager working together.

And of course, we have the stability of Dale Sundilin and Ricky Steadman and Rob Simpson, a lot of consistency, a lot of stability, a lot of understanding how we want our team to play. And we try to find them players that want to play that way. Your team is 2-0, a big game against Medicine Hat on the horizon. When you look at this tournament, I don't think that any team goes in blind. Everybody knows a lot about some of the other teams, but how deep does the scouting go,

the advanced knowledge? I mean, you knew Wormuski was going to be in there, the host, but how much would you know about these teams before you played them? Well, you know, there's lots of video. I mean, you can get easy now, watch all their games. And that's one thing my coaching staff do a great job of, you know, pre-scouting and making sure they understand what match-up Gales wants. And he watched a lot of video to make sure that What systems how they do the penalty kill and how do the PP so there's a lot of prep work here It just doesn't happen

You go against good coaches are all top-in coaches here for the Morrill Cups So, you know what they're all doing their work and our coaching staff also Let me let me drill down in a couple of your. And I was having a conversation with someone this morning and we're talking about the greatest trade the London Knights ever made. Now I'm, I really liked the Dan Fritchie trade so many years ago. That was one of my like, Oh yeah, well, it's got Fritchie now to Holy smokes. Um, but this person I was talking to said, no, Sam Dickinson is the best deal. Hands down, full stop.

Agree or disagree? You know what? He's a special player. And you know what? It was one of them traits that we're very fortunate to hear. One play for a lot of nights and then get the deal done. And I mean, we give up, I don't know, nine picks, drought picks, but them picks were all worth it for Sam. And he's been a pleasure to be around

and every day he comes to the rink and practices. He's just gonna be a 15-year-old pro. And that's why we win. He consistently plays well every night. He drives the play and he takes bucks of our own end and he fends and people are going to enjoy watching them in the national hockey league. And maybe it's just because of the jersey perhaps and it's too simple to draw this comparison,

but how much Evan Bouchard do you see in Sam Dickinson? Or are we just reaching because they're both wearing London Nights uniforms? Well, I don't know many people have the bomb that Bouchard has. True. Many people have the bomb that Bush has. But, so I mean, you know, what we, I think Sam plays a, you know, more of a two way game and not that he can't bring offense, but I mean Bush is really gifted offensively, especially with that big shot. You know, he can shoot a slap shot and he can shoot a, you know, wrister and he can make plays and Sam can too, but Sam's really good.

He can defend really well. I mean, I think Bush is really improved on that and he's constantly improving his team now he's on the first panel of counting for the, for them at two dollars. So he's come a long ways and, and I think Sam's offense would just keep improving and improving in time. Special player. Um, what are Maple Leafs fans getting in Easton Cowan? For those that haven't seen him or haven't seen him obviously as much as you have, what are they getting in Easton Cowan? For those that haven't seen him, haven't seen him obviously as much as you have, what are they getting in Easton Cowan?

You know what? He's going to be a heart and soul guy. He's going to be out there and he's going to play and he wants to play in big moments. He's going to be a Travis Koneckney, something in that nature that's going to bring it every game. The fans, they should be excited to see this young man. Every game I watch him play here, he does things and competes and drives to win. I mean, of course you gotta have the skills and he does have the skills, but that drive and the inner passion to win hockey games

is something special. Casper Halteman for San Jose. I mean, I just mentioned Dickinson a second ago. What about the Finn? Well, he's got a big shot. I mean, he can really shoot a puck and I mean, he, uh, he's really improved over the time here of consistently working both ends of the ice and, um, you know what, uh, with his size and his reach and his strength, it's just, he's going to be a good player in the International Hockey League

because he's going to score goals. You know, over the course of your time with all these kids in the Ontario Hockey League, and I do want to ask about Corey Perry here in a second, don't worry, how have you seen kids change? Whether it's on the ice, off the ice, like are they more similar now? Are they more different?

You've seen so many kids. Yeah, I've been, you know what? It's a minute so long. I mean, it's like Johnny Sam, I coached in Sarnia and now I'm coaching in Cannes. So it's longevity. It's been, I don't know if that's good or bad, but I've seen different errors,, different, uh, you know,

different errors, how players and, you know, there was more rough and tumble and, and now it's skilled. And I just find the players sometimes, uh, try to get ahead of herself too quick and don't want to go through the process. And, uh, I think if that's one thing we try to lay here, there's a process, you've got to get better, you got to improve your skills. And that's one thing we try to lay here. There's a process. You've got to get better. You've got to improve your skills. And that's one thing we really push here.

And I think sometimes the boys want to get ahead of themselves. You know, one of the, I've always felt that one of the best compliments you can pay a hockey player is this guy could have played in any era. And focusing on junior hockey and all the different eras that you've seen him in part of, is there someone from your London nights that you look at and you say, this guy could play in any era. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that this guy could play in any single era.

Which guy who wore the London Nights sweater can play in any era? Well, I think Corey Perry, I think we talk about could play in any era and Matthew Chook and I mean, you got the Mitch Marner's. So one thing we have is number of top end players here that, uh, won things and done things, uh, you know, another level here. And, uh, um, and to do that, you got to compete and push to win. And, and, uh, and you know what? I, I, I think sometimes you leave out to the y'all going to be coachable and, uh, and the ones that are coachable seem to get

better. And, and that's one thing we push here is to, you know, the young men that you got to listen, you got to make sure we're, we're here to help you. And, but if the listening skills are not there, it's usually a problem. Okay. So we're on the Corey Perry conversation. I got a couple of minutes with his. I want to park a little bit of time about one of the best London Knights of all time. So how often will you be watching an Oilers game, for example, with Corey Perry and you see him do something and you say, oh yeah, I remember that from the Sudbury game. And I remember that from the Kingston game. I remember that from the game in Guelph.

I remember that from the home home against the kitchen Rangers does that ever come into your mind a Hundred percent when you see like I don't see him pull it around the goalie It made it so look so easy the other day there just took his time and went around the guy and it was like Oh boy, I've seen that before I see him do against kitchen Rangers as you just said me He has such patience and calmness around the net and played so fearless that he's just an impressive hockey player and had a long career and can't say enough about him. And we'll close on Matthew Kachuck before I wish you good luck against Medicine Hat. When you look at the effect that he's had in the NHL, not just Calgary, not just Florida,

not even just four nations. Like all of a sudden Matthew Kachuk has become one of those players that the NHL can market around. Great player, larger than life personality, second generation as we all know. What does Mark Hunter though see in Matthew Kachuk? Well, I think he really evaluates what he needs to do to get things done on the ice.

He evaluates his own skills. He evaluates how he didn't get better. And that's one of the traits he brought right into our dressing room where he knew right away skating had to be worked on. And we had a power skating here waiting for him. And he did it every two, three times a week to prove it. And him just understanding what he needs to do as a hockey player is impressive.

And understanding of the game, how to play, how to win hockey games. It's hard to teach and I think Big Papa there did a heck of a job with him. You know, there was a line with Kam Loops, you know, with Jerome McGinlin, Darcy Tucker, and Shane Doane. But that line with Kichuck, Marner, and Dvorak for you guys, like, I'm sure like at times you'd look at it and go like, these guys are doing whatever they want out there with the puck. Like, at a certain point, like, whatever, whatever their brain says they want to do,

they just go and do it. Like, it's one of the best lines I've ever seen in junior hockey. Yes, 100%. They were, and they all worked together you know they were no jealousy and that's why you win championships it can't be jealousy and all three were rooting for each other and and so that's that's important to a winning hockey club yours is a winning hockey club 2 a two and oh so far, good luck against medicine hat and good luck the rest of the way. Thanks. There is Mark Hunter is the general manager

and owner of the London Knights at the Memorial cup and Ramuski. Uh, Zach, I'm not sure if you had a chance to have a peek at any of this, but surprise, surprise the London Knights are two-0. The games have been close. Like Saturday was a real good game against Moncton. I think we're all looking forward to that one. Gardner McDougal versus Dale Hunter, two of the best coaches in the country. And then yesterday there was an empty night, so a 3-1 final nights over host from Ooski and a big battle coming up between the London Knights and Gavin McKenna and

the Medicine Hat Tigers. Put on your shocked face London is really good. London Knights are really really good and it's it's impressive too when you think back and even just in the hunter era like I'm not even going back to like you know Sittler and Rammage and all you like when Nash, like when you think of all these players that have gone through the London Nights and more on the horizon, they just keep on cranking them out from this like man, oh yeah, was he Sam Gagne? What was that line? It was, the line was Patrick Kane, Sam Gagne and Andre Kastitsin.

Not bad. The chat was giving you some crap here that he wasn't brought up. That's why I had to throw that out there. There's a few references. Jeff, no Patrick Kane. Jeff, how did you miss Patrick Kane? But that's the thing, like the London Knights have been stacked. Well first of all, that team didn't have the playoff success that like the 0-5 or the 2014 or the 2-24 or now 2-25 London Knights have had. Even that one in Saskatoon that had the Halifax Portland final with Nathan McKinnon against Seth Jones That team didn't have that success. So cut me a little bit of slack not mentioning Pat Kane and Sam Gagne But still I also didn't mention Bo Horvat and Max Domi and

Nikita Zadorov and Chris Cherny like you go like all the way down the list Robbie Shrimp who is a made Danny Savrette who was one of the best, you know, junior defenseman in his time Like it's it's been a murder on the row forever Robert Thomas is another great one Robert he plays with the team in Missouri I believe. I was told by the way the cottage is no longer in existence. It's been sold as we were amusing about cottages last week. How was your cottage experience by the way?

It was good. Weather was not the best but... So you stayed inside and drank then is what you're saying. Normally that's what happens at these cottages. Yeah in and out the entire weekend. It was like 30 minutes rain, 30 minutes of sunshine so we'd Yeah in and out the entire weekend it was like 30 minutes rain 30 minutes of sunshine so we'd go in and out but the thing was every one of the boys that was up there played hockey and still watches and follows so to the girlfriends not as excited about it but hockey was on the

TV all day the entire weekend so I did catch every game that happened. I caught the World Cup. I caught the PWHL game that took place on Saturday. I caught the World Championship. So it looks good. You watch a lot of hockey. Did you watch the one nothing overtime gold medal game? No. That was yesterday. So, Tage Thompson with the

overtime. Driving. Real nice little snap. And I threw it out there on Twitter knowing exactly, exactly. Oh and Danny Savret throws in the in the chat there. Zach Bojcik throws Danny Savret in the chat. That was a good team man. Frick. That was a good team. Robbie Shrimp. Zach Bojcik's throwing in there. God Shremp was so skilled. You know, think about London Nights, just a quick aside, Boychuk's got to be remembering all of this. Power play, full two minutes. Full two minutes, all the big boys always did not matter what the score of the game was. It could be like 8-2, of the game was. It could be like 8-2 Marner, Dvorak, and Kachuk going out. You just see like the legs over the boards and... Jessica, oh Josh Doig throws in Dave Boland. I didn't even mention Dave Boland. There's

another one from that team. Didn't even mention Adam Dennis who was so great on that 2005 team. Manette coming over from Guelph or Gerard Coleman who was the the goaltender, the Tampa draft pick. How'd you like that one? Coleman and Dennis are your one two goalies. Like just juggernaut powerhouse teams. They've always been able to always been able to put together outstanding teams. Anyway I can't remember what I was talking about before. We got back to Zach. I don't even know what they're on his site. Zach threw me off on... Waving down this rabbit hole of players. ...of great London Nights players. But there's just so many of them.

And Ole Olevi as well. Fifth overall pick! He was great junior. Yep. Alright, and yes Kelly, uh, K Kelly, Adam Dennis is currently the GM of the North Bay Battalion. That is absolutely true. I had wondered, by the way, if Adam Dennis was in consideration, I think he was, to become the commissioner of the OHL. I think there might be like that level, like a super smart guy. I really do wonder if Adam Dennis somewhere along the way, I don't know if it's commissioner or some other elite executive position in the OHL, if Adam Dennis becomes that guy.

Anyhow, what was I talking about again? Oh yeah. We have a game tonight to discuss a little bit more of. The sheet is powered by FanDuel. Home of the same game, Parlay make every moment more on FanDuel. FanDuel proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. Now, tonight, Amarant, Bankerina, Carolina facing off against Florida. Sam Reinhardt, Nico Michola, Ajay Grip. All out. Consider day to day. Does that matter at all for the Florida

Panthers? No, and let's take a look at the odds on FanDuel. Minus 176 for the Panthers with that news. With that news. Like Sam Reinhardt, like 50 goalscorer, no problem. Nico Mikl, top four defender, no problem. AJ Greer, bringing the hammer on the fourth line, yeah no problem. That's fine, just expecting the Florida Panthers to roll. You know one of the things that I mentioned in the Wabrowski Stars, Freddie Anderson goes by the way for Carolina. One of the things that I threw in the blog this week is as much as, like this is why I like Florida so much, as much as they look like they're your old school eye test team,

we're just going to get a bunch of guys and throw raw meat at them and make them live in a cage for days and weeks on end. And they are that. Make no mistake. What was Paul Maurice's line? I'm going to play that clip in a second. This is an analytics driven team too. Like Sonny Maeda is amongst the elite.

When it comes to running analytics departments and understanding and evaluating hockey at that level. So like things don't happen with the Florida Panthers until that decision goes past his desk and he weighs in. Like none of this is by accident. None of this is accidental. I remember Brian Burke saying to me once, we were talking about that eye test analytics debate, which is long, thankfully gone. He said, look, the way that I would always do it is this. When I looked at a player, especially a young player, he said, I would identify with my eyes,

and then I would check with my analytics guys to make sure that my eyes weren't lying to me. And then I went and I talked to the parents. That's how he did it. I said, Bricky, that makes a ton of sense. Because identify with the eyes, check with the analytics, go talk to the parents. That's how he used to do it.

Anyway, Sonny Mehta is a name that you'll probably end up hearing a lot more of. If the Florida Panthers can do that, and even if they don't do it again, just like one went away from being in the, Panthers are going to the Stanley Cup, three years in a row here, you're gonna start hearing a lot more about him

as teams look to pluck for their own team. One day that guy's gonna run a team. The whole copycat thing is gonna be very interesting, I think. Do you believe my theory about Brady Martin? Yeah, well I don't know the player well enough, but based on what you've said, I do believe it.

So he's a farm boy. Farm boy, but it was the first time. I saw him play in the OHL cup with Waterloo. That's when I first saw him. The game against the Marlies where he scored four goals. And everybody's like, holy smokes, who's this guy? Normally a lot of the super high end guys end up, you know this, like you played, they gravitate towards the GTHL. Dude, it's farm boy playing hockey close to home. Farm boy strength, like hasn't had like the sophisticated strength and conditioning coaches all the way up. Who was it that asked him what he did for his training? And it's a, you'll, you'll, you'll love this Zach. So he's asked, Oh, this might've been before his OHL draft.

He can't remember who has him. It's like, what do you do for like skills training and all of that? And he goes, I have a shooting pad in my backyard. Yeah. He's got like one of those little tape to tape things on the net. Like skills coach? Nope. Strength and conditioning coach?

No, but then like he's at Matt Nichols gym and like breaking all these records and Matt Nichols like this guy's got like real like strength. Not like just I have these like prescribed lifts that I do for my sport. He's like got good overall like strength. Not like just I have these like prescribed lifts that I do for my sport. He's like got good overall like strength. He hasn't been on like those, you know, high end hockey development programs yet. Um, and actually I think I got to, I got to check on this. I was told that when he went, um, uh, when he was drafted by the Sioux St. Marie Greyhounds,

he was trying to find a billet who could accommodate a cow. Because he wanted to bring his cow. What? For the milk! To Sault Ste. Marie! What the fuck? So you're giving me my billet, saying, can I bring my cow? I love this kid.

I want to get him on the, we got to get Brady Martin on the show anyway, but he's like super skilled. He's a skilled hockey player. And like rugged, tough, like at the U18s, he just like ran everybody over and everybody kind of went like Florida Panther. Ooh. And that's why you're of went like Florida Panther. Ooh. Yeah. And that's why you're running with the Florida Panther because everyone's now like thinking

about we got to get more guys that can really help us in the playoffs. That's why here's a guy that was probably at the low end of the first round, the beginning of the season. I don't know. I can't see him getting past Utah. Before I was saying he can't get past Boston or Philadelphia or Philadelphia, at 6-7. Now I'm like how does he get past four? Yeah. And if he gets like then there's like there's no way he's gonna get past Nashville. Like honestly it could get really goofy. Like is there a chance that San Jose takes him?

I don't know like are we at that point now where the Florida effect is really giving a guy like Brady Martin a boost here I really do think this is true I really really do anyhow interesting yeah I'm interested too because I feel like it's gonna have that trickle down effect beyond that, where kids are going to want to play like Bennett and Kachak. Well, both Kachaks. Through a bush in the GTHL. Great. Right.

But it reminds me of like, remember watching World Juniors back through that era of like 2008 through 2000, probably like 12 13 that's a Brent Sutter era I think so yeah and it was like farm boys oh here are these big mean kids from the WHL oh what does that kid do oh he lives on the farm with his parents and it's just like that's that's what they do that's who they are you know I remember vividly like Braden Shen just mashing guys through the glass every time he was on the ice just It was like and they would just go nuts

The guys like limping off the ice every shift and then he goes out there puts it through someone's legs goes to the net Do you're like I oh my god, what are we watching? there was I'll tell you I remember I think we all do early in his career, Dion Faneuf, we tend to forget how much of a, like a killer Dion Faneuf was. Like Odyssey, I thought I was looking at a guy. I remember watching him. I'm like, first of all, he's going to the hall of fame. Like I watched him play, I'm like, this guy hits like Scott Stevens and he shoots like Al McKinness. Like I'm watching a kid that's like, how does this guy not,

never mind the NHL, he's going to the Hall of Fame. Like get drafted, go to Front Street, start engraving your plaque now. Like that's what I thought, but he was like that kind of a guy. Everything he did at 11. Right? He hit at 11. He shot at 11. He was killer. Again, the guy from out west like Keith Ollies and the Braden Coburns, all those guys. I was so pumped up when the Leafs traded for Dion Fanoff. I used to watch in school, you know, when you have like computer time, or I don't know if they still do that with your kids now, but when I was in, packing my day in elementary school at like computer time in my schools, I would watch, I would watch Dion Faneuf like

hit compilations and highlights on YouTube. Oh, the one, oh, the world, the hit on. The double Dion is the best one. Double Dion's great. It's a great call from Pierre too. The one oh the the world double deon is the best one double deon is great It's a great call from Pierre to you the one on Rotoslav Olesh the Florida pick Remember the Florida Pan the Florida he kind of just under the blue I think for enough ended up getting kicked out of the game. That's when you would get a game suspension if you hit too hard

Clean head Who's the one that he hit on Ottawa where the guy crosses the line goes to go around? I've there's too many of them. But the guy, the reason I'm calling it, I'm thinking about this hit is the guy goes completely horizontal. He is full horizontal to the ice about four feet off the ace for now for that. I just I never forget those but I was pumped I'm like man. I can't believe we got That I have I had the jersey I was a kid and my parents bought me a Dion for enough captain's Jersey when he came to the Leafs There was I think there was that one. There's a game against New Jersey

That's bricky about this was a Colin White The fight that he had with him and then I think Brian went into the coach's office and said we can't do it yet but there's our captain. That guy's our captain. It's because of that fight. It was Hamill by the way that was the hit. It got pointed out by Eddie Vau in the chat. Attaboy Eddie. Who Is that Camel? Uh... Denny Hamel. Oh... He was tough too. Smoked him. It's a nuts hit. I used to love

that stuff. But I to the point though, I wonder if that's kind of it's not going to be the same it'll be different, but I wonder if we'll get those coming through. More frequently. And it's not going to think we will there's this Brady Martin I where it's like one went Yeah, we just went through the era where it's just like skill skill skill skill skill skill skill skill skill now

It's gonna be compete compete compete compete compete compete because again. Yeah McDavid yes Kapanen yes Look around the rest of the teams that are playing. Who are the super fast guys? I agree. They compete hard. I agree. They all compete hard. They all compete hard on pucks. Anyhow. Couple things. Greg Wyshinski is not available tomorrow because he is traveling. So we'll have Wysh on Wednesday. We have some more Memorial Cup guests coming up as that tournament continues with games every day. Although

everybody always like doesn't want the tiebreak Thursday game. In order to media when I was always in Memorial Cup it's like oh it's gonna be the one the one night we get off. Please no tiebreak Thursday, no tiebreak Thursday. It's the one that every like everyone cheers for one team to go oh and three this is all just media inside baseball stuff you cheer for one team to go on three so you don't get a tiebreak Thursday I know we're so shallow I know it's so bad it's so bad but I'm just straight up with you come on on. But now they're just watching us. Like yeah, give me tiebreak Thursday.

I don't care, I'm sitting watching games. Yeah, let's go. Also we should mention we're going to the Combine in a couple of weeks as well. So we'll do a couple of shows, the Thursday and the Friday from Buffalo. That's next week. So looking forward to, is that next week?

Maybe two weeks. Yeah, I think two weeks. Couple weeks we're at the Combine. A couple weeks we're at the Combine Maybe I'm, uh, yeah, I think, yeah, two weeks. Couple weeks we're at the combine. A couple weeks we're at the combine and, uh, we'll get Brady Martin to talk about his cow. How about that? We'll get Brady Martin on the show and we'll talk about his cow and trying to find billets that can accommodate a cow.

I've heard some strange requests from players. I've heard some players that have been, I'll tell you what, there was one player I heard that after he got cut by his NHL team was so sour that by Christmas he had gone through three different billet families. And you know who it is too. Had gone through three billet families because he was so upset about being cut from his NHL team at training camp that he had to go back to junior? Three. That is it.

I love telling you junior hockey stories because you are right there. Oh my God, seriously. Are you serious? Thanks to Pierre Maguire for stopping by. Thanks to Mark Hunter for stopping by. Memorial Cup continues in Virmuski. The tournament so far has been fantastic that will continue Tomorrow is a monster game medicine hat Tigers facing off against the London Knights

Tonight we have Monkton facing off against Wyrmcy. That'll be a great one, too If you get a chance have a peek at the blog There's a lot about who gets stolen from the Florida Panthers and a couple of other notes as well some names Just start to pay attention to and is there a new, is there a new team, is there a new city rather, that we should start to consider an international hockey treasure, herning Denmark, and the amount of players per capita

that that town has produced is staggering. I was trying to find a way Zach to be able to talk about like the Denmark upset in Canada last week. I do something about this in the blog and talking to someone over overseas and like are you familiar with this town and how many players have come out of it? Anyhow, have a peek at that if you want. Enjoy the blog and we'll be back tomorrow. No Wyszynski but we will make this we will make this promise to you. There'll be no Greg tomorrow, but whoever we do have on the program tomorrow

will be better looking. How about that? That is our promise to you. Also tomorrow morning, 9 a.m. Morning Cup of hockey. The Goudreaux tomorrow, Zach, I believe, are on the program. Very much looking forward to that. Johnny Lazarus, Colby Cohen in conversation with The Goudros. At noon, DFO Live. And then we return tomorrow, 3 o'clock Eastern with Mystery Guest or Mystery Guests. Right? Okay. Have a good rest of your day.

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