The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Judgement Day

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

Jeff Marek and Zack Phillips recap the crazy weekend in the NHL. Discussing the JT Miller near trade, Connor McDavid and Tyler Myers incoming suspensions, the New Jersey Devils slumping, another great weekend for the Ottawa Senators, and Arbor Xhekaj's fight with Matt RempeShout out to our sponsors!👍🏼Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We've got a lot to get to and a lot of it is going to revolve around the situation with Connor McDavid and Tyler Myers' phone hearings this afternoon. And I would imagine we'll hear what the final outcome or verdicts are Sometime later on today. I know that the the NHL Department of Player Safety likes to get these things out around or before puck drop but on a day like this and Stick tap and nod of the hat to everybody recognizing MLK Day stateside game going on right now between San Jose and out of the hat to everybody recognizing MLK Day stateside, a game going on right now between San Jose and Boston. I know they want to get things out of around Puck Trap and normally that means seven o'clock Eastern. We'll see if they can get that out that early, the decision

out that early. But I would imagine we will hear something official, Zach Phillips, and at some point later on this evening, whether it is 7ET, 80ET, 9ET, not sure, but we should hear something. We got a lot to get to today, really quickly, just wide brush thoughts, and then we're gonna drill down on this, and I am very curious to see what people in the chat have to say about this one, because everyone's grabbed a stick. There are just some topics that I refer to,

Zach, as pinatas, and everybody grabs a stick, and everybody has a swing, right? Like there is, we all know what the hot button topics are and sometimes they always revolve around suspensions and that's when we're talking about this one and in this case we're talking about the biggest superstar in the NHL economy, David. When you saw this Saturday night,

now I know you were doing your show, I know your Toronto Maple Leafs came storming back against Arbor Jack Eye and the Montreal Canadiens and it was a big win and you're getting ready to get tucked in your leaf jammies and get all cuddled up and bundled up in your tastefully decorated downtown Toronto apartments. But making me pajama boy now. Everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody is just having to convince everybody.

If you're a Philadelphia Flyers fan, I would have said, Oh, got in your orange pajamas and with your poster of gritty on the wall and tucked yourself in. What did you, what did you, did you, I don't know if you watched it live or you're still doing your show, but what did you make of when you first saw McDavid on Garland and then Tyler Myers on Evan Bouchard on Saturday? I'll share my thoughts in a second. Then we want to play Patrick Burke from the NHL's DOPS from about a month ago here on this show to sort of walk us through what happens. Anyway, your quick thoughts on what you saw Saturday. Yeah, quick thoughts, and I know we'll get into it more. Quick thoughts was, oh boy, Patrick Burke is gonna be busy.

Back to back on basically the same scrum, you saw McDavid stick to the head, and then right away, Myers stick to the head. But I thought, honestly, Jeff, I was like, we talked about and debated the elbow by McDavid the little, or Chicken Wing. We went back and forth, and I think that was a fair conversation.

People in the comments and chat were pretty split on that one too. That one I don't think was gonna be split. Right away, I thought suspension coming. There's no way around that one. Yeah, so not a great few days for NHL officials. I just want to get one thing out of the way here quickly. I looked at, as we mentioned on the program last week, the Connor McDavid

elbow to Marcus Johansson as a missed minor. That was a minor penalty. Elbowing. We talked about elbowing. It's called when it's an elbow to the head, not the shoulder, not to the elbow, not to the chest. All elbowing penalties are hits to the head and that was a missed minor. Saturday though, and a lot is being made and perhaps rightfully so, but not by way of what it's going to be worth when it comes to levying a suspension here. Connor Garland, bear hugging Connor McDavid, which in the dying moments of that game is a pretty smart play.

Like I would do the same thing. I would say to myself, okay, you know what? I'm gonna take a chance here. Maybe they're gonna call it, maybe they're not. If they are gonna call it, I don't have, there's only a few seconds left here, so it's gonna be a face-off, so it's gonna be 50-50 by the time you set up, et cetera,

and I got a chance to neutralize the best player in the world, I'm going to go for it. So I thought that was a real smart play by Connor Garland at that moment to neutralize the best player in the game. And if you're watching the show here on YouTube, we're showing the clip where Garland is just all over Conor McDavid but the response obviously is the one that's got McDavid in some hot water here. I think these guys are gonna

both Conor McDavid and Tyler Myers, they're not gonna have the book thrown at them because it's not an in-person hearing, right? So they're not going six games, seven games. I do wonder if it was debated or not, but these are not in-person hearings, these are over the phone, so it's five or less. But I think pretty much, you know, you go to Sunday and you go into today, a lot of the conversation, Colby Cohen mentioned the Austin Matthews-Rasmus Dalleen hit and said,

you know what, probably two games and call it a day. Daily Faceoff Live, the guys were talking about that, you know, two each and call it a day Daily face off live the guys were talking about that, you know two each and call it a day I don't I don't think so. I think this one is gonna be more I'm not sure whether we see the number five, but I really do wonder if we see the number four I do think that Connor McDavid is probably gonna get rung up more than Tyler Myers is here I'm gonna get into this with Pierre McGuire in a couple of moments here on the show. But just for some context,

I was really glad that in the early first couple of weeks on this show, when we first started, that we had a chance to talk to Patrick Burke. Now Patrick Burke works with the NHL. He does a lot around the NHL All-Star Skills Competition. But his main job is NHL Department of Player Safety working in association with George Paros, et cetera. First of all, just so everybody has an understanding

of how these hearings work, I thought it would be smart if we sort of set the table here and Patrick can explain it in his own words. If you're wondering how these things go, first off, here's, we're gonna play two clips for you. First clip is Patrick Burke of the NHLD OPS talking about how these hearings actually go. Patrick Burke.

We get onto a hearing, it's George Perros, it's our senior staff, which is Damian Echeverrieta, myself, Stefan Cantel, Ray Whitney, and our newest hire, Ryan Getslap. Then on the team side, you'll have the GM and usually, or sometimes the coach, maybe an assistant GM. You'll have the player, you'll have the player's agent, and then you'll have a representative from the NHLPA. We go through, the player gets a chance

to explain how he saw the play and what went down. The GM or the coach or the assistant GM, whoever is on there from the team, gives an explanation of what they saw. They can introduce any comparable plays, any similar things that they saw. The agent is on there to give a character reference, which you wouldn't believe the amazing amount of charity work all of our NHL players When a suspension hearing comes up they are constantly saving kittens and they're all in each other's weddings Which I wasn't expecting every time there's a hearing the guy was in the victims wedding or they golf together all the time It's very a tight-knit league when suspensions come up And then the PA is there to make sure that we're following a due process. You know, they represent both players, the victim and the aggressor, so they try not to take sides, but they are making sure we do

things fairly. So we hear from the other side, George explains how he sees the play, and then we go back and deliberate as a staff. Okay, so a couple of things there. First of all, very funny. They all golf with each other. They all are at each other's weddings. They're all saving kittens. They're all pals. One of the interesting things here is both Conor McDavid and Conor Garland are both represented by the same agent, Jed Moldaver of Wasserman. So that is an interesting little wrinkle to throw into this one. I know sometimes there are, you know, agents online that like to stay away from incidents when they there are, you know, agents online that like to stay away from incidents when they

involve their players, when their players aren't the victims. There are a lot of agents like to jump on there when they are victims, but when they aren't. Anyhow, I'm gonna get sidetracked with that story and get myself in trouble. Okay, so that sort of sets the scene for what these DOPS hearings are all about. Now, there's a few things you need to keep in mind when it comes to criteria and I do Zach want to swing back to what Colby Cohen brought up this morning on Morning Cup of Hockey using the Auston Matthews Rasmus Dulleen Heritage Classic in Hamilton as a comparable. But meanwhile second clip Patrick Burke discussing what goes into the ultimate number here. Here's Patrick Burke again. I mean, Dale Hunter on Pierre Terjean came up a couple of times last year, but generally speaking,

I would say that we look at a player's playing career. You know, I've been at the league 11 years now. There's not many players who kind of predate me in the league. So we're going back to our kind of, you know, the last decade or so is really what's relevant. For a player's specific history, anything he's done when he's in the league is relevant to us. But of course, the more recent things are, and the more similar things are,

the more relevant they are to us. You know, if you've got a slashing suspension in your first game in the NHL, then played another thousand games, and then got an elbowing suspension, we're not sitting there going, wow, we really got a crack down on this guy. It's a second suspension. So recency, relevance, how similar plays are, that's what we worry about. It doesn't come up too often like, hey, remember when Shane Sherla killed Kev Pavel Bure? Those types of things aren't really brought up in our meetings.

Okay. So to the Dale Hunter situation, Pierre Terjean. Dale Hunter always maintains he never heard the whistle so that 20 game suspension Zach he says he still hasn't heard the whistle. Yeah you think so? You think that was real? No I think that was Dale Hunter being Dale Hunter and he was frustrated at that time and saw Pierre Terjean celebrating and said okay let's see what happens if head meets glass and that's what happened. Okay so there so three things happens if head meets glass and that's what happened Okay, so there's so three things recency relevance and similarity and here's where I think

McDavid and we'll get to we'll get to Tyler Myers with Evan Bouchard. Here's where I think McDavid gets in trouble. First of all, I mentioned tough week for the officials Connor Garland Holding McDavid the way that he did, like full stop. That's a missed call. Like that's West McCauley and Chris Lee. Like these are veteran officials that missed that call. Like that should have been a call that was made full stop period.

Last call, get out. Like that's missed call. Just like Connor McDavid and Marcus Johansson was a missed miner, that was a missed miner. Okay, let's just establish that initially. It does not justify the reaction. A missed miner doesn't justify a cross check to the head from Conor McDavid.

And I think this is where a lot of this is gonna get complicated for from Connor McDavid. And I think this is where a lot of this is gonna get complicated for Connor McDavid. As much as, and we can show, if you have it lined up here, the Austin Matthews-Rasmus Dallin situation, which got him two games. So this is at the Heritage Classic, Dallin and Matthews in the crease, cross-checking, shoving, Dallin turns his head and Matthews cracks him

In the neck with his stick now what got Matthews I think out of hot water there and why it was only a two-game suspension Was there is no history now repeat offender status is different than history and with Conor McDavid There is history with the Nicoletti suspension, which was two games. So if you have an opening of two games, then other things start to add on. This was the reaction to the play. This was an angry player.

This is a player that has, albeit, this goes back to 2019, a previous suspension. All of a sudden now, you start to add up. I don't know that this thing goes as high as five. George Paros has the ability to suspend as high as five. This is a phone hearing. I would not be surprised at all if Connor McDavid got four here. As for Bouchard's situation with Tyler Myers, that one looks to me as if it was

two players, not in a state of mind, but two players approaching each other and almost like not bumping into each other, but it wasn't heat of the battle. It was a horrible decision by Tyler Meyers and Tyler Meyers himself does have a history. So if the Matthews Dallin is two, that's the opening, that's the opening for business, right? That's what's gonna get you on the on the poker table. Two games. Then you start saying to yourself, okay first thing is there history? There was, albeit if you know he's gonna go, people gonna go back to 2013 with an incident with Dinosubarus. I believe there was an elbowing fine as well, so there is a history there. So if I'm gonna do what everybody else is doing these days and throwing darts and saying this is what I think is going to happen, I'm gonna say McDavid gets four and Tyler Myers ends up getting three. I know Oilers fans are not

going to like hearing that, but if you look at the history of how the Department of Player Safety judges actions and measures out suspensions, that would seem consistent with what we've seen previously. More on this in a couple of moments. Let's have a look at what we have, and already the chat is hot. This guy, so Shane C is going at me right away. Shane C does not wanna hear any of this in the chat whatsoever.

Daily outlines of the show here, presented by FanDuel, North America's number one sportsbook app provider. It's only hockey, it's only a suspension. Do you get this mad when you vote? So coming up on today's show, we've already talked about it a bunch, we're gonna continue to talk about it,

but it won't be the only issue we talk about. The Connor McDavid, Tyler Myers situation, and a pretty exciting Saturday night game as well, where many people thought that the Vancouver Canucks were walking into disaster against the Edmonton Oilers. Not so fast, good game, but no one's talking about the outcome. Everyone's talking about McDavid and Tyler Myers.

We're gonna talk to Pierre McGuire about all of this and other NHL issues, some of which you'll see now. JT Miller and Elliot Friedman's report that JT Miller almost didn't play that game on Saturday nights. That's how far Vancouver was down the road with making a trade for JT Miller. How about the weekend that the Sens had? And did we just see the game of the year on Saturday

afternoon the Ottawa Senators against the Boston Bruins. A game that had everything some roughness some fights some great goals some controversy some good goaltending some bad goaltending it had a whole lot a great shootout move by Tim Stutzela that That was an action packed game. We'll talk about that. Don't look now but you know who could use JT Miller? The the New Jersey Devils. If anything the New Jersey Devils right now could use some help down the middle at that three C spots. The New Jersey Devils are slumping. Want to play this Tyler Tucker video for you as well as he was about to fight Liam O'Brien

off the draw in Utah's zone. Puck came back to Tucker instead of dropping his gloves, took a shot and scored. One of the more entertaining pieces of video that you'll see and speaking of fights Arbor Jacki and Matt Rempey and got to tip your hat to Arbor Jack guy he's fighting a large man this was the day after and we'll talk about this a little bit later on one day after he said no no no no no no no to Ryan Reeves and pointed at the scoreboard he said yes yes yes to Matt Rempey and decision Jack guy in that one so that's up for grabs today the chat continues and we thank everybody for being in the chat today. And do we have Pierre standing by? Not yet. Not yet? But we're standing by for Pierre coming up here in a couple of moments. I had a

question here from Randy Workman. Jeff, how about Wolf's performance in Winter Beg? I'll tell you what man, you know we were going to talk about this last week. We never got around to it. Craig Conroy made this this point I think it's a salient one and one that's worth some investigation or at least some some consideration when you're looking at the Calder Trophy Goldies are so hard first of all hard to be a rookie goalie in the NHL we all know that it's also hard to be a rookie defenseman in the NHL just ask Lane Hudson I know he's a little bit sheltered but man is he having an outstanding season and if the vote were today my vote would go to Lane Hudson. I know he's a little bit sheltered, but man is he having an outstanding season. And if the vote were today,

my vote would go to Lane Hudson, but I know full well that by the end of the season, it's gonna go to Macklin Celebrini. But if you measure, like here's an interesting thing to do. I don't have the latest stats right in front of me now, but if you measure off how Dustin Wolf is performing amongst the entire group of goaltenders in the NHL versus how Lane Hudson and

Macklin Celebrini are doing against established NHL players, you start to say to yourself and start to piece it together and say, you know what, maybe we do need to give more consideration to Dustin Wolf here. Like it's never going to be a situation where a goaltenders play as many games, although they play more minutes than players or defensemen do. But when you have a look at what Dustin Wolf and the body of work that he's already laid before us, it's not that much of a stretch to say, you know what, Dustin Wolf should certainly be in the conversation to win the Calder Trophy,

and maybe we're not paying enough attention just to how good he's been, and maybe we need to start considering a goaltender for the Calder Trophy, and not just default to Lane Hudson and default to Macklin Celebrini. By the way, tough one for Lane Hudson on Saturday. Great one yesterday for Lane Hudson against the New York Rangers. He's certainly been impressive. I'm getting a ton of people in our chat.

Brad Hawn, you're way off, sorry. I get it, like, let's just, like, let's see what happens here. I will be very surprised if we don't see some pretty big numbers tonight for Connor McDavid and Tyler Myers. I know many are just saying a pair. And that was, you know, my initial reaction

when I heard Colby Cohn this morning talking about, on Morning Cup of Hockey, talking about the Matthews-Rasmus Dalin comparable. Like, that's what I kind of said to myself. You know what, it looks similar. and then when you go through the criteria and you look at the history of Connor McDavid and you look at the exact scenario, I don't know man, this one feels, this one really feels more and it's one of those things that the NHL Department of Player Safety really wants to put a cap on.

Again, both hearings this afternoon would expect something to happen or some type of decision to be made a little bit later on. Jeremiah says, Hudson as a rookie has been amazing. We've been blessed to see these elite defensive players come into the league and make an instant impact. The interesting thing about that is Hudson's doing it offensively, right? He's doing this one offensively more than anything else. Is he sheltered? Yeah, and that's a smart thing to do. And I think we can all, anyone from a certain vintage

can remember how the Philadelphia Flyers and Dave Haxtall sheltered Shane Gostesbear when he was a rookie in the NHL. It's just a smart thing to do. And then you might turn around and say, well, hold on a second, they're feeding, and in the NHL, it's just a smart thing to do. And then you might turn around and say, well, hold on a second. They're feeding and pardon the pun here, feeding Macklin Celebrini to the wolves.

And he's up there against top dogs every night. So you take that with a sort of temper, your, your, your expectations of how you're going to vote based on who they play against. But again, to dusted Wolf, he's not just he's like, you're not sheltering the goaltender like he's facing NHL elite level NHL shooters every time he's in there. Long winded way of me just saying like, look, this guy's awesome. I think we need to give more consideration to Dustin Wolf

for the call of the trophy. And he has very much deserved it. How are we doing on our guest, Zach? Should I continue to chat here or do we have Pierre aboard? Yes, if you could continue to chat for a minute. Okay, so a couple of other things here that I wanted to get into. I was really happy for the Ottawa Senators and I don't know what's going to happen with the Ottawa Senators ultimately this season, but what we saw Saturday was clearly a candidate for the game of the year. It was a game that had everything, and it's always better for the television experience and certainly the live experience, that's an obvious one, when the home team wins.

And it was a thrilling conclusion to a game that, I don't know if you're with me on this one But this just might betray my vintage at the end of that three on three over time. I kind of said to myself I'd be fine if this was just a tie Like am I alone on this one everybody in the chat everybody listening everybody watching right now Ask yourself do you other just some games that you look at and you say to yourself, this game just deserves to be tied and we're forcing two points on it. Like I know this is probably an argument that obviously I'm never going to win or it's never going to have any concert with

the NHL, but are you like me? And that's at the end of some games by time the overtime is done, or maybe just even just by the time the 60 is done or maybe you've just even just by The time the 60 is done that it's tied and you say to yourself. That's what that game deserved Like part of me looked at that Ottawa game now. I know Swain was Swain was excellent. Marilyn was fantastic I know there's people that get on me for not talking about him enough for the for the Ottawa Senators But at the end of that game, I kind of looked at it You know before the shootout and said,

this one feels like a tie. I don't have any, I don't have a dog in the race, I got no skin in it, so I don't ultimately care who wins, but if you're just watching it as a neutral observer, that was one of those ones for me that I looked at and just said, that one's a tie, and I'm good that it's a tie. Now one other thing from the Ottawa Senators this weekend, and that was Brady Kachuk waving

off the high stick. Part of me is like, great sportsmanship. And the other part of me is like, great sportsmanship, but where's the gamesmanship? If you're looking for flexible workouts, Peloton's got you covered. Summer runs or playoff season meditations, whatever your vibe, Peloton has thousands of classes built to push you. We know how life goes. New father, new routines, new locations. Getting dressed should be simple. If you're like me, you want to look good, feel comfortable, and be ready for anything.

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Dropped a tough one against the Toronto Maple Leafs on Saturday in spectacular fashion. Go up 3-0 and then end up losing 7-3 and then the big win yesterday against the New York Rangers. Back to the Brady Kachuck thing, how do you feel about this one? What's more important to you, sportsmanship or gamesmanship? And the high stick that Brady Kachuck waves off and says no he never caught me that's not a penalty. Do you go back and forth like me or do you just like it? And if you're an Ottawa Senators fan in the chat or listening or watching? Are you saying to yourself, hold on a second here, what's the difference between not to say faking a high-sticking infraction

or going down light on a hook? They're both embellishment. Why is one rewarded and why is one looked at with disdain and if you're watching us right now on YouTube, but he could Chuck goes to the bench and it's like nah He never got me No, it looked like he got me. I got my hand up covered my face, but it didn't get me That one's that one's not a penalty Do you like it or no I go both ways on it I really do part of me is always concerned about the sport of hockey turning into the sport of soccer With the dives and I don't want to see trainers skating out onto the ice with the freezing spray

I really don't I don't think any of us do. Will hockey players ride the round? You know, there are plenty of players that we know that we lying down there and when the trainer comes out the first in the whisper to them is did we get the five yet? I'm not so sure. I'm a big fan of that. I do understand the gamesmanship though. When you saw that one, Zach, and let me know if you have an update on Pierre, I know we're having a slight connectivity issue here. When you saw that one, did you think, okay, there's sportsmanship and then there's gamesmanship. And what's more important to you as a hockey fan?

I think I would prefer the gamesmanship. Like you sold it in the first place anyways. That's the other thing too, this. It's not like he went like that and the refs thought he saw something and he didn't. He sold it anyways. Like, you've sold this. Let's just, we might as well go all in. You got the intended result.

But here, okay, can I just jump in that really quickly? Here's the thing about, I know people always get weird about, oh he snapped his head back, he snapped his head back. Think about something yourself. If you're walking around downtown, you're out somewhere and all of a sudden something flashes in front of your face, what is your natural instinct? Your head goes back. You snap it back.

It is a, no one, I'm still convinced, no one at that split second is doing that deliberately. You have anything near your face that close, your natural reaction is to snap your head back. It's no, honestly, I don't see any difference between that happening on the ice or you walking into a restaurant and someone comes too close to your face with a plate or something. Okay, I guess. It's a natural reaction. Yes, I think it was a little done up though. I think that's fair to say. The hand up, the like you full sold everything a part of it. I get what you're saying, but I think that I think he sold that. I don't

know, I think the sentence would have liked having a power play in that instance and you already called it. It just draws more attention to it. I would have been fine with it. Also, update on Pierre. Trying to get him, see if maybe we can get a call back in. But it looks like his lines are quite literally frozen. Frozen? I wondered about that. Not kidding, frozen. Yeah, I know, I know. I wondered about that. Like it's, this is polar vortex time right now. I don't know how much time you spent in Montreal, Zach, but like the winters.

Cover your ears everybody in Winnipeg. Cover your ears everybody in Edmonton. Stop. The winters can be kind of brutal there. Like really, really nasty. So it doesn't surprise me. If we can't get Pierron today, that's fine. We can get him on another day. There's no lack of things to

talk about. One other, just to put a sort of final sort of thought on this one, what Brady Kachuk did in that situation, because you always have to look at the last name here when it comes to the Kachuks, like this is a really smart hockey family, right? Like this is the hockey family understands the edge and how to walk on it. Yeah, sometimes you're gonna cross over and that's just the nature of how the Kachucks play. But I can't help but thinking in Brady's mind, because these are highly intelligent hockey players, in Brady Kachuck's mind he's probably probably thinking, if I wave this off, I'm gonna get the benefit of the doubt somewhere down the road.

If you deliberately go out there and say, no, don't make this call. It didn't get me in the face, then I wonder if down the road, in a situation where it's gonna count more, you get the benefit of the doubt. Officials are human beings. They are not robots. And if you're an official and Brady Kachak has let you off the hook, because make no mistake about it, like I know there's been a lot of, certainly coming off of the situation on Saturday between Vancouver and Edmonton, you know, how come referees aren't made accountable?

They are made accountable. They are made accountable. They are made accountable with extra money in the playoffs. If you get a playoff assignment, that is extra money in your genes. If you don't, your season is done. That is accountability from the NHL and Stephen Walken, the head of the officials.

And all of these calls and all of these missed calls all go into the pool and the discussion for who has earned playoff games That is how they are made accountable and I just wonder You know you look at Brady Kachak and maybe if it's a 50-50 call and you're not sure of it You saw Brady Kachak letting an official off the hook and you say to yourself, you know what? I'm gonna lean the Kachak way on this 50-50 because it could go either way.

I don't know, I'm just thinking like it's Brady Kachak. He's super smart. The family's been in hockey forever. They get it. They get like all the protocols, they get how to play, relationships you have to have, all of it. That's why I think that was a calculated move by Brady Kachak to buy himself a call later.

Agree or disagree disagree Zach Phillips. Yeah I think that that's fair. Especially I do think that they are some smart guys. They know what they're doing. Yeah I don't know. Again and also the other thing is like talking about this and my answer to it. I don't, I'm not a fan of diving and selling calls and that kind of stuff. I do appreciate the sportsmanship of like that didn't happen. You're okay with it. Like

no, no penalty. Don't call it whatever. I just think in that moment you've already sold this. And I know what you're saying. It's a reaction, but I think it was a, I think it was a done up reaction more so in the moment. I don't know. That was the only other thing when I was looking at it. And all these people online were saying, oh wow, look at this sportsmanship. So much respect for him. Yeah, but he also sold it so hard in the first place. Alright, so you're not picking up a Brady Kachek is putting down.

What else do we have on the order? Let's go back to our list of topics here. And I do want to sort of circle back at one point and talk a little bit more about the DOPS and what's happening with McDavid and Myers. Not sure how spread out the two hearings are, but I would imagine that by now one of them would be done. And there's probably still another one on the horizon.

But we'll see. And again, like I do expect something to come out as as as early as seven o'clock Eastern puck drop tonight. What else do we have to talk about? I think JT Miller is up for grabs. Right. OK, so that's where I was going next. OK, JT Miller. So as they'll get reported on Saturday, it was not a foregone conclusion that JT Miller was going to play in that game against the Edmonton Oilers on Saturday. Everybody knows now the Vancouver Canucks have in a lot of ways made their decision. And it is we're keeping Elias Pedersen and we are moving on from JT Miller and we are actively listening

to what teams have to offer. I do, and by the way, I love, I'm not sure if you caught morning cup of hockey today, I love the way Colby mentioned Alexi Lafreniere to Johnny Lazarus. And you know, does this mean if Lafreniere is part of the deal, is all of a sudden Johnny Lazarus now the world's biggest Vancouver Canucks fan,

or is he only a fan of Alexi Lafreniere when he plays with the New York Rangers? Like there were a lot of just so you know for some context like there was a couple of a couple of summers ago where the New York Rangers were at least listening to what the market was saying about Alexi Lafreniere and could could there be a team out there like here's the thing that I wondered about with Lafreniere, is there a team out there that could do to New York what Dallas did to Boston once upon a time with Tyler Sagan?

Just like steal a young player. Like that was a heist by the Dallas Stars. That was a pickpocketing by the by the Dallas Stars. The way they were able to pick off Tyler Sagan from the Boston Bruins and I remember all I could think about is like okay so who's going to play the role of the Dallas Stars here and relieve the New York Rangers of Alexi Lafreniere. So I thought that was kind of fun too, as it's been reported, you know, Braden Schneider is someone that's, the Vancouver Canucks have wanted for a while,

so far obviously that has been a no-go. But complicating any JT Miller move here is the money. And you know, you look around the NHL, and we talked last week about the New Jersey Devils, right Zach, and how they can use JT Miller it's becoming more and more obvious as the New Jersey Devils are kind of in a swoon right now that they could use another top six forward or someone that could albeit expensively in JT Miller's case step in as a third line center like all of a sudden like down the middle

Nico Hescher, Jack Hughes and JT Miller looks pretty enticing. Stop the bleeding here. I like the blue line a lot. I like the gold tending a lot. It seems as if they need another forward. I think Tom Fitzgerald is a fan of JT Miller, but again, what's the money that's got to grow out? I know that Devil's fans, if there was Devil's fans in the chat right now, those screaming

about Andre Patz, I would wonder about Timo Meyer as well, but we'll see. New Jersey would make some sense to me as well. We know that the Dallas Stars are in the market for another forward and depending on how you believe Lien Vichelle is gonna end up this year, if you think he's gonna be on the team in a top four role, or if they're going to go surfing for a defenseman, they're at least for sure looking for one more forward. And the other thing, the other thing too,

which may open the market for JT Miller even more, and I mentioned this in the blog today, is the Calgary Flames. You know, we thought it was a foregone conclusion that by now the Calgary Flames, you know, we thought it was a foregone conclusion that by now the Calgary Flames would have dropped out of it. The Calgary Flames would be like, all right, we're setting up our,

we're setting up all of our teams for trade deadline here and this is the market for Kadri and this is the market for Anderson and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And this is what we're gonna look at How do flames don't make the playoffs? You know and when you're you know when you're Working on the frozen frozen lines with Pierre

I was talking about Dustin wolf and everything that he's been able to do and are we giving him the short end of the stick? Here when it comes to the call the trophy But it seems very much like if Calgary's taking themselves out of the trade game here like if the Calgary Flames aren't sellers how many teams out there now have had to widen their net whereas once they could have been focused on a couple of players from the Calgary Flames who looked at the beginning of the season like they were going to be in sellers mode all of a sudden now they're not in sellers mode so oh we got to look elsewhere again JT to look elsewhere. Again, JT Miller has trade protection. He'd have to waive it, but I do wonder how much that does open up the market now and teams that may not

have been initially interested in JT Miller or just been Luke Warmzak on JT Miller now are saying, okay, Calgary is closed for business, right? Gone fishing. Don't bother calling Craig Conroy's team, trying to make the playoffs. Do other teams now try to get in the mix for JT Miller? And how good could this work out for the Vancouver Canucks? Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

If you're Vancouver, like we're talking about all these teams that are looking at JT Miller, right? The part that I am very intrigued by in all of this, and they're in a little bit of a unfortunate situation here where, you know, the shark smell blood in the water, everyone knows that something's got to happen, the players got to be moved, whether it's because he wants out or they want him out, whatever you can put it however you'd like.

Everyone knows that that's the case. If you're Vancouver, what is your goal to get back? Do you know what I mean? Are you trying to still make the playoffs this year? Are you looking for a piece that goes to next year? No. It's to get serviceable players for RenZo. I think you're looking around the division. let me describe this up here Right now okay, so if you're the Vancouver Canucks Right now you're one point out Because the juggernaut Calgary flames had that second wild card spot big game tonight between Colorado, Minnesota by the way We may see a flip-flopping of third in the central

We'll get to that in a couple of seconds, but if you're the Vancouver Canucks, you're looking at this and saying, all right, you know what, we're better than St. Louis. Utah is, I mean, it's like grabbing a handful of water, right, like what do you have with Utah? Like it's like the toilet seat at the Stagendow, like up and down and up and down. What do we have here with Utah? Seattle, I mean, that's, Seattle just flat out can't score.

And I don't think Seattle's in and they got bigger decisions to make here on the horizon if things don't turn around. There's no indication that it's going to, although they play the Buffalo Sabres tonight. So if you're the Vancouver Canucks, you're saying like, no, we're not looking to next year. We're not in the green banana business year.

We're looking at right now. We're looking to solidify a playoff spot, knowing full well that at the end of the season, there's no guarantees. And many are speculating and wondering, and I'm one of them who don't think that Brock Besser is going to be back. That that's going to be it for Brock Besser. He either gets moved at the deadline or Brock Besser rides off into the sunset at the end of the season onto other greener pastures, maybe Minnesota wild greener pastures. So I think if

you're Vancouver, I don't think you're just looking like, yeah, let's get some futures and see if we can get, you know, Brennan Othman and Skora away from the Rangers. No, I think you're just looking like yeah, let's get some futures and see if we can get you know Brennan Hoffman and score away from the Rangers. No, I think you're looking at we want players because we still have a playoff push Why is it that the situation like how does the situation with Brock Besser not play a factor into this here where it kind of ultimately Decides the direction you're going to go in at this deadline or approaching this deadline or with this JT Miller like if you think he could leave you don't lose that guy for nothing what are you gonna get back for him you're not losing him for nothing you want to do this one we haven't had this conversation you want to do it okay yeah you're getting in for cap space is that what you're gonna yes

I'm gonna sound very Zen here I remember we did the chanting a couple weeks ago here on the program we all have to calm down remember that we did the universe the sound of the universe it has a smell it has a say we can see it it's has a tangible sound as well the Buddhist ohm is the sound that resonates in the universe okay nothing is a thing I think this is a thing right cap space is a thing. Right? Capspace is a thing. The good general managers are the ones that say, I'm not losing this player for nothing. I'm losing him for the opportunity as a general manager

and I challenge myself to go find someone to fill that spot. And the successful general managers are the ones that say, you know what? I relish that challenge and I believe in myself enough that I can go and fill that spot with a player, a serviceable player that can either do what that player did or even better. Those are the managers that I like. I think ultimately those are the ones that are successful. You know who's great at that? Julian Brizbois.

Yeah. Yes, he is. Julian Brizbois in Tampa. You want to walk away? No problem. We've got to find another player that's going to do that job, maybe even better. Or in the case of Ryan McDonough, we're just going to bring you back one day. Now Ryan McDonough, once again, is one of the best defensive defensemen in the case of Ryan McDonough, we're just gonna bring you back one day. Now Ryan McDonough once again is one of the best defensive defensemen in the entire NHL.

They're facing off against the Toronto Maple Leafs. We'll talk about that in a couple of moments here on the show. So it's not as if you're letting them, honestly it took me a while to sort of unwrap my head from saying you can't let them walk for nothing because you're not letting players walk for nothing. You're letting them walk for cap space.

And that's valuable. And we all know how the salary cap is gonna go up. So there's even more cap space available. This is true. And honestly, this conversation has been had by myself and Alperga and Rosehill here in the Toronto market. Yes.

About some expiring free agents. Yes, you have a couple of them. I'm familiar. One used to be market. Yes. Expiring free agents. Yes, you have a couple of them. I'm familiar. One used to be captain. Yes, go on. Right. So this is a conversation that we have had here as well. So I do understand the sentiment.

My only thing here, Jeff, and the reason that I kind of disagree in this situation is because the Canucks are on that bubble spot. What is the point? Do you think they have a realistic... Do you think that they realistically look at this in the playoff picture and who they would potentially face round by round and what their team looks like and maybe the health of their goaltenders and what they could get back from Miller, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and and say this is a team that let's go past Making the playoffs because that's great. What do you do? We've done that for nine years here in Toronto

That's about all we've done here. Like there's to be no more you look elsewhere You're gonna make the playoffs and then what's the extent of it? Is that worth it to keep the player if you get a call at the deadline and someone says they could have offered you picks for that guy? Because I do get what you're saying and you're gonna go out there and get the space but... Oh if you get... honestly no let's back up for one second I don't want to misrepresent myself here. If they get something sizable, like if they can get a player to replace plus, then I'm all ears. But the other factor that I think we need to keep

front of mind in all of this is the owner. And it's tough for any manager. Like ask Berkey on Friday when you call him for the show, what it's like in the playoff picture and you say to your owner You know what? I don't think we're gonna go very far. So we're just gonna trade some established players for for some draft picks and prospects and Your owner is gonna say

No, and there's no reason for someone to lose their job today right, right like No, and there's no reason for someone to lose their job today. Right. Right? Like, I, I, I, I, okay. This, this, this, this, this was really very much a thing after, after COVID, where a lot of owners and Francesco Acquilini, the owner of the Vancouver Canucks may have been front and center when you look at his other businesses. Everyone tried to make their money back right away and it was like get to the playoffs, get to the playoffs. We took a hit on our restaurant business example. We took a hit on this business. We need to get back in the in the playoff picture but when you're this

close to the Vancouver Canucks I don't think you're gonna go to the owner of the team and say you know what I know we're close but we got this we got this you know a couple of of first round picks here for Brock Besser. I think we're going to take that. Um, he'll say, no, we're in the playoff picture. We're, we're going to go for it here and get in the playoffs and see what happens. And if that's your Demco gets hot, then who knows what can happen here. That is true.

Uh, ask, ask, ask Burke, you were, it's like going to an owner and saying like, yeah, playoff, shmayoff. So we want a long sustained run. Yeah, what's he gonna say? Arr, and then hang up on me. Arr, there's what I think we're gonna do. Arr, gotta get these graphics, and this kid in medicine hat looks real good.

No. Oh boy. I might just avoid asking him that, and I'll let you do it on there. We had obviously some other stuff. I do want to get to the Tyler Tucker and Arbor Jack guy things but quickly here before we went to before we went live here on the show today and people are pointing it out in the chat John Benkert there

says it I want to ask your thoughts on this. Marco D'Amico tweeted out, a source close to the Penguins has informed the RG media that Kyle Dubas is looking for a fire sale, says big name veterans, not simply just pending free agents are up on the trade block, willing to retain to move out Eric Carlson. Also just want to point out, as you could imagine, everybody flocking to the comments, Crosby

to hear Crosby to their Crosby to their, it was pointed out. Finally, McKinnon and Crosby. So I saw the report and I don't want to, I don't, I make it a practice of like not dumping on other people's reporting. I just, I just, I just don't, I think it's bad form for us. Um, but, uh, it is something that, cause I saw it right before I came to Eric, cause you say you sent it to me, Zach. Um, cause you actually pay attention and I appreciate that. So thank you for paying attention to our jobs here. Um, I want to,

I want to look into that before I comment on it more, because if it, if that is the case then that represents a significant change of philosophy for Fenway Sports who as I mentioned last week like one of the prerequisites for this position if you were going to be any of the candidates and obviously Kal Dubas was a successful one to take over the Pittsburgh Penguins one of the things was respect the veterans and they're going to retire here and they're not going to be part of any type of rebuild

and the job of the general manager was keep those players in the lineup, make sure Malkin, LeTang, Crosby all retire as Pittsburgh Penguins, try to create as competitive a lineup around them as possible without doing any damage to the future. That, like, those were the, those were the railings within, whether it was Kyle Dubas or Eric Tulsky or whomever else interviewed for that position. That was, like, that was the frame around their art. Here you go, here's your brushes, here's your paint, dip them in, but here's the frame.

Life stops, art begins. That was the frame that you had to work in. If, and again, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I just know that all I can say is I haven't heard that. There's been that change of direction, but that would signal a massive change and it wouldn't just be, that wouldn't just be Kyle Dubas waking up and saying,

ah, crack my knuckles here, you know what? It's time to go have the talk with 71. I don't think it's that. That would be change of philosophy from above. That make sense? Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it does. I mean, obviously the conversation we've had

over the last little while, I think it was even on the show on Friday that you and I were talking about, and it was like, oh, look at, here's the young player, second chance opportunity, Penguins. And it's not going to be anything that harms the long-term. Like, again, not that I'm saying they're going to surf until 2030, but that's kind of the year that everyone's ticketed. The reason they gave Kyle Dubas a seven year contract folks Not a four. Yeah, not gonna give him a four and say yeah, you know what? Here's four but spin your wheels for three. Good luck No

seven-year deal for a reason What's happening is the chat that you're on a read Jay Rock says Malcom to Toronto. Jacket and Salty? Yep, there you go. How many like, you eating space cake Merrick? Oh, there I see J Rock. Malcom to Toronto. Remember for so long was Malcom to LA?

I mean it made sense, but it was just like, pens are never going to do that. But they've got Crosby, they've got Jordan Stahl, what do they need? Malcom to the Kings. That was probably, you were really old enough to piss straight and that rumor was out there. Apparently. I'll throw this at you actually,

because this is mentioned in the chat, Randy Workman. Does this mean Crosby and Malkin won out? Now I wouldn't phrase it as won out. I don't believe that. But yeah, I was gonna ask, do you think there's any frustration with this game system? Again, I don't wanna,

I have a hard time commenting on it because I don't I don't know that other than I've seen that one report So can you give me a can you give me a day everyone in the chat? To yeah to make some calls and try to us a second figure out what I can sort of suss out about about this one I mean, I know it's all fun to just sort of go with it and run and it's a Monday afternoon We're all waiting for you know, Vancouver Edmonton suspensions GT Miller trades But I gotta be at least a little bit responsible here I gotta be a little bit of the growing up in the room a little bit here

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Peloton. Visit Peloton at one Peloton dot ca Um, okay, can we show the tyler tucker can we show this before we get to the games here and uh Chats going awesome Matthew's mulkin tovar's camp. Look at you j rock just Oh, man Look at you J-Rock just oh man J-Rock's barely got enough loose skin to blink just thinking about mulling the Toronto Maple Leafs. All right Let's show this Tyler Tucker here St. Louis versus Utah off the face-off Tucker and Liam O'Brien agree to throw down, but then St. Louis wins the draw. Let's show this one Zach. This is fun

On the face-off Sunquist gets it Let's show this one, Zach. This is fun. Look at him standing. Brian said, dude, we agreed to fight. You had to go score? Watch it. You see, in that, if you watch Ingram, Ingram's ready to watch a fight. Like everyone knows, like, cause you can hear the guys, like, doing it at the draw, doing it at the draw. Puck drops, we go, puck drops, we go. Like, okay, no one's doing the clever Dave Semenko, why don't you and I go for a little canoe ride. No one's doing the clever talk. That's one of those, like, we're doing this drops we go. Like, okay, no one's doing the clever Dave Simenko, why don't you and I go for a little canoe ride? No one's doing the clever talk. That's one of those, like, we're doing this at the draw.

Ingram's waiting for it to happen. And so he's not ready. And he goes, oh, because you see his reactions. Like, Connor Ingram stops that, Connor Ingram stops that shot all day long. He knows it, he grabs his body, he's like, oh man, I just thought we were gonna see a fight. Oh crap. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say Jeff watch his face when that one goes in and he turns around

Like he is looking like what just happened. How did that just happen? He's just like okay. I'm just gonna Casually watch a fight Liam O'Brien's like I don't know he said he was gonna fight shrugs your shoulders How's that skate back to the bench? like, I don't know. He said he was going to fight, shrugs his shoulders. How's that skate back to the bench? Yeah. What do you say to Andre Turingy when you go back if you're Liam O'Brien? Yeah, you're like, but, but the, the Frenchman in 75 said he was going to fight me. It's so good. It gets better and better when you see Connor Ingram. When you look at Connor Ingram's reaction.

He's like kinda ready but like he's ready for like a shot to come through from like the draw. You know what I mean? Like if the center man fires it on him, he's ready for that. He's thinking that puck left the circle, I'm good. Like there's a fight going on right here to my left. Sees the stick Everybody everyone's thinking it's coming Tyler Tucker fires Good on him. Good. Oh very cult there firing that one in we got anything more. I love that Thanks for thanks for passing that one along. So that's a good that was good. That's a dude

You want to do some arbor? Jack? I yeah Yeah let's do this quick weekend. Yeah he certainly did. Let's do Arbor Jack guy. Something good for Habs fans although they played a really good game against someone who's talking. How good was Lane Hudson? How good was Lane Hudson yesterday against the New York Rangers and how bad was Lane Hudson against the Toronto Maple Leafs? What was he? Dash 5? Not the plus-minus is the be all and end all but hey these things happen. He's a rookie. Okay, so why don't you set the table for us here? You want to do Jack Guy Reeves and then Jack Guy with Matt Rempey? Yeah, sure. Let's do that. So I mean started on Saturday night with

Leafs going down 3-0 and then obviously at that point it's Ryan Reeves who decides I'm gonna fight for the first time this season and goes out and challenges Arbor Jack guy there, sorry, I'm just completely losing his name. They fought before but goes out to challenge him. He says basically I'm not going to do this as you see turns in points at the score clock which by the way I think was misinterpreted by people online saying look at the score look at the score I'm quite certain and you would agree with this he's saying it's three nothing dude I'm not going to fight you like I'm not

doing this makes no sense yes turns that one down And then it turns into the second period where he absolutely labels Ryan Reeves open ice, which was a monster hit that ensues in the open ice there. It just absolutely levels them. And then Jeff, on this exact shift, it leads to Connor Timmons deciding, okay, you did that at one end, end watch this and he goes down the other way and levels posetta and then Shortly after Dvorak to crossbar Yeah, well, Austin Matthews goes into the corner finishes a check. It's a crossbar from Dvorak Bobby McMahon scores and then the Leafs score seven on it. You know, it's weird. You know, it's weird about that It was almost if the Maple Leafs said you can't do that to our tough guy scores and then leave scores seven on it. You know what's weird? You know what's weird about that?

It was almost if the Maple Leaf said, you can't do that to our tough guy. Yeah. You ever heard, you can't do that to our tough guy. No way, man. Like you get your hands off our tough guy. Now that made me think of Max Talbot and Dan Carcillo in 2009 when losing a fight is actually winning a fight because you're right like

Jack Eye catches Reeves and it should be like another momentum lift for the Montreal Canadiens but the opposite happened and then the Toronto Maple Leafs were off to the races and it was just like seven tilted and the Habs were left like spinning like a top. Did you grab the Talbot-Carsillo fight? So Flyers are winning this series three to one, and everyone on that team will point to this as a pivotal moment where Max Talbot goes after Dan Carsillo, knowing full well this is a fight he is going to lose,

but it changes the fortunes of the Pittsburgh Penguins. You wanna fire this one up, Zach? Yeah, you gotta listen to fortunes of the Pittsburgh Penguins. You want to fire this one up Zach? Yeah you got to listen to the audio of the commenter too because you're what you're saying right now it's pretty funny watching this fight back here. Oh here's the scrap in front of here. Carcillo and Talbot they were set up right at their face off dot. And the referee came in and talked to them,

but they let the play go and dropped the mitts. I understand why Max Talbot is fighting here, but if you're Dan Carcillo, there's really no reason to engage. You have all the momentum. You're up 3-0 in the game. There is a time. There is a place. You know the Flyer fans love it,

but you know what, Panger? There's no reason. There is a time there is a place, you know, the flyer fans love it. But you know what, panger? There is no reason. Do not give the Penguins any opportunity to build some momentum off of a scrap. You know what the key to that is? Max Talbot. To the plate, the whole barn in Philadelphia, that's going banana sandwich

because there are guys just through that and that fired up the Pittsburgh Penguins Talbot going Mac everybody on that bench on that Penguins bench is saying what are you doing what are you doing do not fight Dan Kurtz but just the very fact that Talbot went and did it fired up the Penguins bench beat the Philadelphia Flyers no went to the Stanley Cup final and beat the Detroit Red Wings yeah good on Max Talbot could we get him on one day I want to get Max Talbot on. Get to get Max Talbot on. That's it. I'm determined. We're getting Max Talbot on. And you're going to make it happen, Zach. Okay. Okay, I will. I will do my best. Uh, in the meantime, uh, we want to get to our games. We got, uh, we got a number of games, right?

A couple of them are really interesting. One of them is already in the books. Boston Bruins beat, uh, the San Jose Sharks Sharks. Fan duel. Proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. And we've got nine games on the go around the NHL today. Well, eight now. The Boston San Jose game is over. I'll tell you what. Here's a question for you. Here's a question for the chat. Here's a question for everybody listening slash watching right now. So the Minnesota Wild, one point up on the Colorado Avalanche for third in the central. This could flip tonight if Colorado wins here at ball arena. I was having a conversation with someone last week

who said, would it surprise you if by NHL trade deadline, Morgan Frost is a member of the Colorado Avalanche. Colorado and Philly have done deadline deals before. Like a Sean Walker. I throw the LA Kings in there too. It's an interesting trade. I do share that curiosity if at the end of all of this Morgan Frost ends up on the Colorado Avalanche. More on that on another edition here of the sheet as trade deadline approaches. But that one's a good one. Looking forward to that one. Minnesota, as I've mentioned before, Minnesota is just one of those teams.

And New Jersey's another one. I've been losing a lot. They have a style that blends really well with a lot of other teams. Minnesota has great games with Dallas, Winnipeg, Vegas may be the best combination, but Colorado as well. Always go out of your way to watch Minnesota Colorado games.

So looking forward to that one at Ball Arena. Devon Levi starts as the Buffalo Sabres face off against the Seattle Kraken at Climate Pledge Arena. And Tampa Bay faces off against your Toronto Maple Leafs. Jonas Johansson starting tonight for the Tampa Bay Lightning. So that is an interesting wrinkle in here. I've always said and again I don't know about you Zach but I've come so

many different times to just finally saying okay this is the moment where Tampa starts to fall apart. This is the moment where right how many times you've been guilty of that. I've been guilty about standing at the Boston Bruins for a long time too, but really about Tampa. And I always say you write the Tampa Bay Lightning off at your own peril. So I've just stopped. And is Brandon Hagel not one of the best players in the NHL right now? Just in flat out one of the most fun players to watch. This one would be a good one. I know this is not the Montreal Canadiens. You're going to score seven unanswered goals on tonight for your Leafy Zach. This one should be a good one.

Scorsese-Bankerina-Tampebay Lightning facing off against the Toronto Maple Leafs. Quick thought on this one and tee up your show later on tonight. Yeah, excited about this one because the name, uh, there are the, uh, the theme of the show for the last little while in the after dark has been consistency with the main beliefs. Who are you and what you do on a nightly basis? We've all known there Jekyll and Hyde. Well, I mean, you couldn't get more of that than the first period to the second and third on Saturday night. So now what are are you because you played like garbage before New Jersey played okay games, New Jersey You found a way to win then you play like garbage in the first period and then you've played unbelievable in period two and three

What are you and that's kind of what I'm looking for from this team here tonight and Fraser Minton getting a go in the lineup here tonight for the Leafs to all right That was a big win against Montreal Canadiens on Saturday You're right And there is one thing that is always guaranteed money in the bank long-term deposit result guaranteed Josh Anderson scores against Toronto. I don't know what our friends at FanDuel did with that one on Saturday But that one Zach seems like a lock every time these two like if the NHL was the Montreal Canadiens and 31 Toronto Maple Leafs teams Josh Anderson be going to the hockey Hall of Fame

We'd be talking about Josh Anderson as being like elite elite level Generational all of it if we only had to play against the Maple Leafs Josh Anderson would be a Hall of Famer You know it. He would. You know it. I know, I know. There's no way around it.

You know it and you hate it. There's no way around it. It's a nightmare. And I saw you tweet that and I'm like, come on. Okay, so here we go. Oh, by the way, Jeremiah mentions, when we were talking to Doug McClain last week, he mentioned he was having breakfast with Ron Hextall and Dale Tallon and Jeff Rimmer. Um, the lunch got canceled or the coffee date got canceled.

Hopefully that one gets rescheduled and Doug can report back. And what that conversation sounded like other than whining about how they're all unemployed. Okay. Great job, Zach. We will hope that Pierre Maguire's lines unfreeze. It's polar vortex season, folks. So we'll endeavor to get Pierre back here on the program sooner than later. Tomorrow is Tuesday. I believe that is Greg Wyshinski Day, although there might be a complication. I will fill you in on that one later on so we'll see so we might have wish tomorrow. We might not I'll explain that one to you. It's interesting in the meantime

Chat was really interesting today Blazers legend Frazier Mitten, that's right Colton Davies. You know that Blazers legend Frazier Mitten. That's right Colton Davies, you know that. So thanks everyone in the chat, really lively one today, especially everyone who roasted me for my McDavid suspension takes. We'll see, but whoever roasted me for it, if he gets four tonight, actually I think he might get five, if he gets four tonight, I want you back here in the chat. Hang on, Kim Banks, polar vortex, AKA winter. You jerk. I don't know why I always complains

about like flowered up language. If he ends up getting four, I expect you all back in the chat. Not to apologize, I just want to see ya. Just say hi. That's all, we'll see. If we're throwing darts, I'm saying four for McDavid, three for Tyler Myers.

We'll see. On behalf of Zach Phillips, our producer, thanks so much for joining me today. The Sheet returning tomorrow. A lot of stuff to get to tomorrow as well. Eight more games on the go around the NHL tonight. And we'll be back. And we may have a JT Miller trade by tomorrow.

Who knows? That watch continues. Check out my latest blog the sheet available at Dave daily face off comm a lot of stuff about the Calgary flame some stuff in there about Seth Jones as well and Justin Vive I know you may not have ever seen Justin Vive play he plays with the Cincinnati Cyclones of the ECHL I used to watch him play with the Minor Midget Marlboros on a team with Sam Gagne and John Tavares and Brendan Smith would have been on that team as well.

Really, really good team. That is the son of Rick Vibe who enjoyed game number 500 in the ECHL over the weekend. And also speaking of 500 games, congratulations to Nico Heescher who passed that mark this weekend as well with the New Jersey Devils. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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