The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Kids Are Taking Over, Oilers Struggles, Flyers Drama ft. John Shannon & Kevin Kurz

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Jeff Marek is back with a jam-packed edition of The Sheet on Hall of Fame Monday, diving into the biggest stories across the NHL. He opens the show with thoughts on the 2024 Hockey Hall of Fame class, featuring legends like Zdeno Chara, Joe Thornton, and Jennifer Botterill, before debating whether teams and iconic games should be inducted into the Hall. Marek is then joined by John Shannon from 100% Hockey to reflect on the lives of Mel Bridgman and Leon Stickle, discuss the impact of this year’s inductees, and question if Vancouver has become the new Cole Harbour after producing stars like Connor Bedard and Macklin Celebrini. Later, Kevin Kurz of The Athletic joins to unpack the Matvei Michkov storyline in Philadelphia — including Sean Couturier’s pointed comments — and what it means for the Flyers’ rebuild and locker room dynamic. Plus, Jeff and Zack wrap up with thoughts on the Oilers’ blowout loss, the Panthers’ injuries, and the debut of the brand-new Tri-State Hockey Podcast with Jonny Lazarus, Mike Rupp, and Arthur Staple.Don’t forget to subscribe for daily hockey insight from The Sheet and the entire Daily Faceoff network.SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Bauer: https://www.bauer.com/👍🏼Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/ca👍🏼Prime Video: https://primevideo-row.pxf.io/c/5560083/3303015/20020Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@FNBarnBurner🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the program. This is, of course, the sheet for Monday, November the 10th. Hall of Fame Monday. By the way, we're going to get to that in a couple of seconds. Glad to be back off Friday for kids hockey in Kitchener. Got to go to the Kitchener Rangers Saginaw Spirit game, where Peter DeBoer was the first to have his banner race and the new kitchen arranger's level of legacy.

And even though I don't think anything is imminent around the NHL, I always wonder what Peter DeBoer's next move is. If you have a underperforming team, let's just say, and looking for someone who has a track record of getting teams into at least the Stanley Cup final, if not the conference final. Pete DeBore is still out there. He's got this year remaining on his contract still with the Dallas Stars and then a free agent.

But nonetheless, I always keep Peter DeBore's name in mind. In the meantime, as I mentioned, it is up for a Hall of Fame Monday. And it is a pretty rich and deep class that goes in. We talked about it a little bit last week. We'll spend more time talking about it today. Everyone's got their favorites that are going in. I know a lot of college people are certainly excited. and rightfully so, that Jack Parker finds his spot at Young and Front Street in downtown Toronto,

well-earned, probably, you know, long overdue. I can say long overdue for Jennifer Botterill, Brianna Decker as well. The star at Wiscoe. And, you know, with the NHL players, whether it's Duncan Keith or Sedano Chara or Joe Thornton or Alexander McGilney, this is a rich and deep, deep class. And let me get, before we get into, we're going to get into this with John Shannon in a couple of moments, before we go any further,

I want to get your thoughts on something, Zach. And maybe people in the chat can weigh on on this one too. I've mentioned it before on the program. Should our Hall of Fame, the Hockey Hall of Fame, look at, much like the Basketball Hall of Fame does, put teams in. Not just players. Hockey's been described and rightfully so as the ultimate team.

team sport is it time then that the hall of fame recognizes i don't know teams or as i've as as as i've mentioned a few times some people like it some don't put in individual games yeah okay that's what i was going to say much more on board with the teams than the games the games like okay interesting idea i think they have uh in the hockey hall of fame it's been a little while since i've last been but they have the video room that they used to play some stuff in there and they would have feature films going on in there for Waki History stuff. And I say that generically, like there would be numerous different types of videos that they would play.

But the teams I actually like, you know, teams that set records, teams that are part of dynasties. Right, those kinds of things I actually like that idea. Teams that lurch the game forward, like the Miracle on Ice team. which, you know, it wasn't like that many players that went on to have storied NHL careers. We think of Ken Morrow specifically with the Allenders, who goes from a gold medal to the Stanley Cup all in the same season, is probably saying to himself, this hockey stuff is easy. But like, that's what I'm talking about, teams that have that kind of heft.

And it doesn't even have to be a collection of individual players that move the needle in hockey, whether it's NHL, Europe, or elsewhere. But just like as a team achieved something great. And that 1980s team, you know, that 80s squad led to the generation that, you know, kids watched it and turned into Jeremy Roanick and turned into Chris Chelios and turned into, you know, Mike Madano, like that kind of, that kind of influential team. That's what that's what I'm looking at here. That's what I'm getting. Is there any sense of this right now? Is there any sort of recognition for the teams right now?

No. like not even an and i'm not saying like inducting teams right you know what i you know what i you know no no no that that that's there are like record breaking teams that will have displays oh yeah like there's there's there'll be something on like you know team canada and the soviet union 72 summit series oh yeah but i'm talking about like officially recognizing yeah this is supposed to be the ultimate team sport where are the teams recognized in the hall of fame other than a display every now and then yep yeah It's a way to spice up the hall.

You know what? It's a way to spice up the hall. It's a way to get more conversation in and around the game. It's another way to teach people about hockey history if they're interested. And it's, Lord, dare, how dare we say this? Something different. You know, I was making this point with Gregor on Rundown last night. I always like it when hockey leads.

You know, hockey seldom leads in sports. It follows. You know, there are a few things where it, and this is why I like the winter class. so much, right? Like, that is like a tape measure home run. There were, you know, generations before where none of that was going to seem possible because no one had the brain capacity to think about it that way or think about what you could do with hockey and where you could put it. And that's why I like it when hockey leads. Like hockey leads when it comes to jerseys. Nobody does it better in, in all of sports. But you can't say that hockey does

everything better than every other sport. And that's why I like the idea of like trying to do something different. I know basketball does teams. Why can't hockey do teams and why can't hockey do individual games? And it doesn't have to be every year either. Anyway, you know who has conversations like this? Me and John Shannon. And I miss it. Finally, I've got John back here on the program. This is coming up on the show today. Glad to have you aboard. The blueprint is powered by Fanduel. Download the app today and play your game with Fanduel. Here's what coming up on the show. I just mentioned John Shannon from the excellent podcast. That's 100% hockey.

John will stop by here in a couple of moments. We'll talk plenty about the Hockey Hall of Fame. We'll talk about maybe a changing of the guard. I was saying recently and wondering, is Vancouver the new Cole Harbor? We'll get into that coming up in a couple of seconds. Oilers Wows, man, I thought that game Saturday was going to be an absolute banger. Boy, was I ever wrong.

We'll talk about the Vancouver Canucks as well. Specifically in net for the Vancouver Canucks. Kevin Curtis joins us from The Athletic as well. and we'll talk about the Philadelphia Flyers. And when I say Philadelphia Flyers, I'm talking about the drama with Motfei Michkoff and the comments from Sean Couturier. So that's all to come here on the program today.

Other things we should note, I want to park a little bit of time today and talk about the passing of two people in the game. One Mel Bridgman, who's a former first overall draft pick in 1975 of the Philadelphia Flyers. Maybe we should probably mention that with Kevin when he stops by towards the bottom of the hour, we'll talk to Kevin about the passing of Mel Bridgman,

who was also the first general manager in the history of the Ottawa Senators. And if you believe in fate or whatever, even how to describe this event, in and around Mel Bridgman, he was the Flyers' first overall draft pick in 75. He was the Ottawa Senator's first ever general manager. And on Saturday, when he passed,

the Philadelphia Flyers played the Ottawa Senators. and somewhere Mel Bridgman smiled. Also, we should note the passing of former NHL linesman Leon Stickle, who unfortunately is remembered best by some for botching a call in the Stanley Cup final on the Dwayne Sutter goal. And by his own admission, and he admitted it right away, bad call, mistake by me, I took my eyes off the puck. I was watching, well, actually, he was watching Mel Bridgman and Clark Gillies,

who almost came to blows and took his eyes off. the zone entry for one second and ended up botching the call. You know, in a funny sort of twist of fate, that summer when he was persona non-grada and public enemy number one in Philadelphia, Leon Stickle decided

to grow a mustache. And the first game he officiated, worked the lines back at the spectrum. That's a great story. The first game he worked back at the spectrum, a fan had a sign with a picture of Leon Stickle with a mustache,

underneath was the caption, We still know who you are. He had a picture of him with the mustache, which Leon Stickle, as I understand it, later got the sign and always kept it. So two passings to note, Mel Bridgman and Leon Stickle. Kevin Kerr is coming up at the bottom of the arrow. We'll talk about the Philadelphia Flyers.

In the meantime, here to talk about a full sort of buffet of hockey topics. is John Shannon, and I do want to remind you that before we get to John Shannon here, who is standing by. This segment is a presentation of Prime Monday Night Hockey. Prime Monday Night Hockey streams all national regular season Monday night NHL games on Prime Video and is available for free to Prime Members in Canada. Stream Monday night hockey exclusively on Prime Video and experience thrilling goals and dramatic plays from the NHL. Monday nights are hockey nights. Don't miss a moment of the action. Tonight, Columbus is in. in Edmonton to take on McDavid, Drysidal, and the Oilers coming off that tough one Saturday against the abs.

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The one and only John Shannon, who joins me now. John, how are you today? I'm good, Jeffrey. How are you? Good. I was thinking about you on Saturday with the passing of Mel Bridgman, former Flyers first overall draft pick and then first general manager of the Ottawa Senators. And ironically enough, Saturday, the Philadelphia Flyers played the Ottawa Senators. And somewhere Mel Bridgman was smiling. And I said, that is a John Shannon observation that I'm making.

Like, that's the space you occupy in my brain here, John. Before we get into hockey issues, do you have a thought on either the passing of Mel Bridgman or Leon Stickle? Well, I knew both of them very well. In fact, when Mel got traded from Philadelphia to Calgary, Mel lived at my house for four months. No way. So, yeah. So we were actually playing golf at a golf course in Calgary with Jim Poplinski and someone else. And we're walking down the 18th Fairway.

And I said, so Mel, where are you living? And he said, well, I'm still at a hotel. I said, well, I have an extra room. And the next thing, you know, he's running across the fairway yelling roomie at me. So that became. And so Mel was there until his lovely wife Anne showed up. Great. And they had a house in Lower Mount Royal in Calgary for the time that Mel played for the flames.

The other story about Mel is I remember we were out and don't laugh at this job. We were out jogging because that's something I don't really know much about. And Mel and I were talking about money. And he and I were saying, Melo had just signed a 10-year contract for $170,000 a year. So he told me, he says, you know, I'm set, I'm set, 10 years, $170,000. And he and I were about the same age. And I said, well, that's great. Because in year 11, I hope to be making $170,000 a year, and year 12, and year 13, and

year 14. In fact, I expect to make $170,000 for the rest of my life, Mel. What about you? And he literally stopped in the middle of the street. He said, what do you mean? I said, well, you're not going to play hockey all your life. And whether that was a revelation for Mel, he did go back to the University of Pennsylvania to the Wharton School of Business. And was really a smart guy and did many great things within the hockey. world and also in the business world before he passed. Danny Breyer did the same thing after he retired, went to

Wharton and ended up as the manager, as we all know, of the Philadelphia fires. Quick thought on Leon Stickle. I was sharing the mustache story at the old spectrum before he came on. Well, that game that Leon made the botch call

on the blue line was my first Stanley Cup final as the producer. And at hockey night in Canada in 19. 80. You know, there were four teams always involved in a great game. There were the two teams on the ice and there was always hockey night in Canada and there was always the officials. And we ended up becoming traveling companions of all the officials, whether it was Bruce Hood or Brian Lewis or Leon Stickle or Ron Finn or Claude Bay Shard, you know, Ron Wicks, Wally

Harris. They were part of the band of brothers that went around the game. Leon was one of those guys that you'd love to sit and talk and tell stories. And nobody had a better laugh. Nobody had a better laugh. Leon Stickle. And he was part of that Georgetown Mafia. You know that, Jeff. Oh, yeah.

That was a big part of- Ontario. Of hockey lore. And was just, there were some people that were involved in the game because you could see how much they loved the game. And Leon was wild. Absolutely. Speaking of people who have loved.

the game, and now the game has, I suppose, officially loved them back. Do you have a thought on the class that's going into the hall today, from your Bauderals to your charas, to your Keats, to your Parkers, to your Thorntons, all the way down to your McGilny's, to the deckers and Sauvejo's? Do you have a thought on this class? Well, I'll tell you what, it's a large class. I mean, that's the one thing. And so let's hope that the eight of them are respectful of each other so that we're not listening to speeches at 1.30 in the morning. The one thing I would say is that there's two people that probably amongst the eight aren't getting near the detention they deserve.

One is Jack Parker for his contributions. And as soon as Jerry York got in to the hall a couple of years back, you knew it was realistic that Jackie Parker was going to be the next one of those great college coaches to get in the game and the people he touched and what he meant to the hockey world in New England. And Danielle Sauvejo, who really in many ways was such a calming influence as the coach of Team Canada and in Salt Lake City.

But, you know, she was a damn good hockey player too, Jeff. She played the game at an elite level. So those two of the eight probably aren't going to get near the acclaim. And, you know, Brianna Decker, there were, there was that small cabal of American players that were faster than light on the ice for the American women's team. And Brianna was one of those. And she has earned every bit of respect in and around the game. And Jen Bauder all the same thing. When you think about what she did at Harvard, what she did for the game of hockey and playing and winning,

And I still want to, you know, we all get touched by individual stories. So my son, Jake, was a, a goaltender by Trader. And we had a, we had a Sunday morning practice every week at the old Dixie Arena. Oh, that old beautiful barn on Dundas Street. And we would have to wait to go on the ice because there was this women's team practicing. And some of the fathers on our. team would say, well, what are we waiting for? Why? We should we get it out on the ice? And I looked out and like there were nine Olympians. There were nine gold medal winners on this women's

team playing hockey, including Jen. And that's, I've known Jen a long time. She lives just around the corner from us. And Jen is well deserving of what she's done. And the Bauderall name is a famous hockey name in our country. And it's good to see them get some recognition at this level. Two things. Coming off your comments about Jack Parker, I know that it takes a lobby in a presentation and all of that. I do understand that there is a group that's very much pushing for Red Berenson. We always talk about, and you just mention it, one person opens a door for someone else. I still, no one's ever confirmed this, but it's my belief, whatever that is worth, that when Pavel Burry went in, that opened the door for Eric Landross. All of a sudden, someone with numbers like that opened the door. Open the door. for Eric Lindross. Does this further open the door for someone like Red Barringson? Oh, listen, I would never argue that Red Barringson shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. I think his impact on the game, his impact on, you know, Michigan Wolverines hockey is tremendous.

And, you know, the ancillary part of that, Jeff, is that, you know, Red Barringson and Bill Hay were two of the first ever college. trained players to get to the NHL. Now, Berenson will never get in as a player, unfortunately, even though he was a prolific goal scorer at times in St. Louis. But his impact in and around the game in Ann Arbor has, I mean, I think it's been carried on now. Red is one of those guys that, you know, once you get to know Red,

and I was fortunate, and I am fortunate to know Red, that you think that this guy has. always done it for the love of the game and all the graduates that have come out of his program seem to have gone on to great hockey careers and great personal careers as well and you're right if if there's another college coach that deserves to be in then you'd have to put a guy like red barrenson on that list okay one more follow up on the Hall of Fame. You know how I get stuck on things, John? I don't know if you know this about me. That might be something new, Jeff. I know. So in order to spice up the

hall, let me frame it one specific way. Hockey has always been described as the ultimate team sport. How do you feel about putting teams in like basketball does? Well, there's always the way around it, but you know, you consider the displays that we see. at the hall for, for instance, the summit series of 72. There has been one for Lake Placid. Yeah, yeah.

And so there are ways to get around what the hall is all about. As much as I know that you believe and I believe that hockey is the ultimate team sport, I think the Hall of Fame should be reserved for individuals.

individuals. You know, to me, the ultimate team recognition is an Olympic gold medal and winning the Stanley Cup. And I'm satisfied to leave it at that. You know, this is one place where an individual's contributions to the game could and should be honored. So it doesn't irk me that they're not there. And perhaps, with new management at the at the hall perhaps with a new attitude what's going on at the hall they can make things like that a little more marketable but i i'm not going to lose sleep over teams not getting recognition i think when you get the ring and you get your name on the trophy that's a pretty good recognition and let's remember like there's a display this year for the second year in a row for the florida panthers um and to me that's enough okay and you know because I can never leave good enough alone I want to go one step further John

as a way to be a leader and this doesn't have like 30 minutes right I know I know what one more thing one more thing really quickly here how about putting in individual games games that move the game forward games that move the game forward um Lake Placid

pick your Summit series game I think that game one was the most important Canadians seem to feel that game eight was the most important, whichever one you want to choose. Games that are forever, and this doesn't have to be every year, but games that are forever burned into our memories. Just as a way to be different,

to stand out amongst the crowd. We've got a great game, why not celebrate individual games? You're picking that one up? No, I don't like that one. Sorry. But I would suggest that, suggest that there are ways within the hall to honor special games, particularly when they have

interactive displays where perhaps I can do my own call of the miracle on ice. Perhaps I can do my own call of Paul Henderson's goal in 72. Perhaps I can call Bob Nystrom's overtime goal in 1980 my own way. And then I'm able to take it home and say, hey, listen, I was better than Al Michaels. I was better than Foster. You do it. I was better than Jim Rock. Okay. To the game today. Let me ask you a question. Is Vancouver

the new Coal Harbor? So, you know, so I mean, you're very cliquy with your phrases. What does that be? So where once upon a time, this is... I know where Cole Harbor is. Of course you know where Cole Harbor is. So we're thinking about Crosby and McKinnon. Who's from Van?

Connor Bedard and Macklin Sellebrini Has Cole Harbor moved to British Columbia now, John? With these two kids taken... By the way, you know there's a Coal Harbor and you know there's a Coal Harbor in Vancouver too. You know that, right? I do. I do. Well, and you might want to add,

through relatives, Gavin McKenna, too, right? Since he's related to Connor Bedard. So, yeah, I... That's an interesting one. You know, what we're seeing is we're seeing, you know, the development of certain parts of minor hockey programs in different parts of our country, at least, and certainly we've seen it in different parts of the United States at times as well.

So I can buy that. It's a little early for me to buy into, you know, Coal Harbor West. at this point, just because, you know, what we do is we tend to jump on bandwagons every once and a while, just a shade too early, but it's certainly worth watching. There's no question that, you know, the North Shore has become a great hockey factory from the days when I was a child, when you could count on two fingers, how many people from the province of British Columbia actually played in the NHL for,

so many years. I mean, Caesar Maniago and John Ferguson were it for a decade. And things have changed. And now British Columbia has become a hockey factory. The whole West has. You know, it's with the rise of the, with the rise of, you know, the, the, the, the academy model of, of development. You're seeing, you know, superstars coming out of the Western League and coming out of Western Canada on a consistent basis. And the one that sort of is getting. You've got to give Andy Oaks and the boys at the Okanagan Hockey School. A lot of credit because Andy and his group. They were the O.G.

What, what? Yeah. Yeah, what Andy has done. And now they have a, I believe they have an established facility in. Whitby. East of Toronto as well. So they've done a really good job. And Andy's, you know, Andy has, in my opinion, Andy has the best interest of the game.

at heart as well. And I think that that's something you don't necessarily see in everybody that opens an academy. But certainly that's what they've done, starting with the original Okanagan Hockey School in Penticton. Yep. And I can still remember Aaron Ward. And after the Carolina Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup. And they do those flashes of the players and who are your favorite player? And he said, Bob McGill. And the story was when he was at Okanagan and he wanted to quit and he was done with hockey. It was Bob Miguel, who was one of the instructors there who said, I'm going to stay with you the whole camp. I'm not going to let you quit. And for that reason, Aaron hung on to it and his career obviously ended up becoming a national hockey leaguer.

But that one always stuck with me. And that goes all the way back to Okanagan as well. In the couple of moments that I have left with you here, John, let me ask you what happens next for Edmonton. Or do we look at Saturday night? Because I was, listen, like many people, I was sitting there Saturday night. My kid was at a kitchener tournament. All the parents were out enjoying themselves. And I'm locked in in my hotel room. I am not missing this game. I'm going to watch Edmonton and Colorado to the high-flying teams in the NHL. This one is going to be a banger. And it turned out to be a nine-to-one drubbing. Well, there's a back in action tonight. But what happens now with the Edmonton Oilers? Or do you just look at that and say, eh, it's really in the season. Park it.

well you know the you could you could put the gymnastics marking and and the russian judge and say okay that one's just an outlier and it doesn't make sense and you get rid of it but i i think there has to be concern in edmonton you know you can't rely on leon and connor all the time there has to be other people zach hyman has been certainly missed uh you know we had chris not on our show on Friday, and he thinks that Zach will be back next week on their road trip, which is good news. But there's just something missing, and particularly more on the defensive side of the puck than there is anything else. Evan Bouchard has not had a good start to the season. Darnell has been in and out as far as his play.

Matthias Ekom, I actually think Matthias Ekom is trying to do too much. now. Shooting too much. And he's lost. Shooting too much. Well, I think he is. I'm not even worried about. I'm not worried about that end of the ice, Jeff.

I'm worried about, you know, the 16 feet in front of Stuart Skinner and Calvin Pickard. And I just think that Matthias is trying to do too many things because Evans had a struggle. And so that's a big part. Brett Kulak, who had a great season last year, again, rather inconsiderate. right now. And Jake Wallman, since coming back, and then they missed him for the first part of the season since coming back. Jake Walman's been inconsistent. And I know, like our pal Stauffer talks about lots of things that are positive about this team and the analytics point to the Oilers having a good defense.

But they may have good analytics, but they don't pass the eyeball test. And the eyeball test right now says there's something awry with the blue line. and I don't know, and I can guarantee you that Stan Bowman is trying to figure it out, and so is Chris Knoblock. I also think they might miss Paul Coffey a little bit, and that's not a knock at any of the other coaches, but, you know, Paul was able to get through to certain guys and make them better with an unorthodox coaching style that he didn't necessarily use video very much,

but he was very straightforward and let the players make mistakes, and then, you know, tried to make sure that they didn't do it again. And I do think they missed Paul on the on the bench at this point. Final question. What's your concern meter at for the Vancouver Canucks? Where is it? The Demko explanations were a little interesting from Adam Foote before the weekend. Yeah.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him play tomorrow, quite honestly. I hope for Vancouver's sake. that he's fine to go and he is playing tomorrow. I'll tell you what, with the amount of injuries that they have had, I think the fact that they're at NHL 500 is a miracle. I really do. They are working hard.

They truly are working hard. You know, I think that they're getting really, you know, we can talk all you want about some of their stars. I think Brock Bessers really had a pretty good start. I think Evander Cain knows his role in this club and has been okay. Has he been great? No, but he certainly hasn't been a detriment. They're, you know, if everybody comes back and is healthy,

then this team can still make a run for the playoffs, and then it'll point to number 40. Can number 40 do exactly what number 40 is supposed to do? Here's the thing, Jeff, with Pedersen. I see him doing a lot of stuff, blocking shots. You know, the overtime goal to Besser scored in Nashville was just a great simple little check by Pedersen in front of the net that allowed the puck to squeeze through to Besser.

He's doing a lot of stuff except he ain't scoring. He's not scoring, and he's supposed to score. That's it. You know what? You're not getting 11 sheets to block shots. blocking shots, that's awesome. I'm with you. I think amongst forwards, correct me from right, I think he's either number one or number two, amongst forwards in the NHL. He was the number one on the weekend. So, so there you go. And they, and they, and that's great,

but I want 100 points from Vancouver. That's right. That's right. And I mean, that's the way the system is built in Vancouver is that Elias Pedersen is supposed to do lots of things. And he certainly has improved, I think, a lot of parts of his game, but he's got to put points on the board and that's right now because that's that's the value that's the one thing that that's the one thing that every canuck fan is valuing is why isn't he our leading score you should be our leading score you know they've got keifer sherwood and they've got connor garland they got you know the two tasmanian devils i love them watching them play but you know we we need you know hockey fans in vancouver need peterson to be the leading score and right now it's not happening

happening. Listen, this is great. Boy, I miss talking to you. I hope you're well. Continued success with 100% hockey. It's excellent, as are you. Thanks for sharing expertise. And even though you didn't like any of my Hall of Fame ideas,

I still love you, John Shannon. I still do. Well, you know what? Here's the deal. You and I are getting close to the fact that we can still get into the Hall of Fame and get a senior's discount. I think it's fantastic. How's the roast beef dinner there?

We still get the discount for our ages here yet, John? But the roast beef dinner's at 4 o'clock now. You know that, huh? That's fine, because bedtime is 7. That's fine. No problem. We love it. No, not for you or me.

Not for you or me. We're all watching Leo Carlson at 12 night, Mr. God, is he big. That whole team is fun. Cutter Gochay has been outstanding. Jackson Lecombe has been, Chris Crieder all of a sudden. Like, if they had a, if they had a, if they had a, if they had a company, if the NHL had a comeback player of the year, it would be Chris Kreider right now, right?

Like, I'm not missing something here. It would be Crider. Or Jacob Bruba. I mean, I tell you what, both of them have been really good. And how about young Seneca? Oh, my gosh. I know. He was really good last night.

Boy, oh, boy, he was impressive to watch. Pat Birdbeek's done a hell of a job there. He really has. And this was the year they were supposed to show results. And early on, they're showing results. Excellent stuff. always. Cheers. There he is. John Shan from 100%

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a good friend Kevin Kerr's from The Athletic covering all things Philadelphia Flyers. And Kevin, thanks, as always, for stopping by before we get to Couture and Mitch Koff and the situation with the Philadelphia Flyers right now, kicked off the show by just a couple of words about Mel Bridgman earlier on. the flyers, you know, first ever, first overall pick in 75.

Ottawa's first ever general manager, so a little bit of poetry that Saturday it was the Philadelphia Flyers facing off against the Ottawa Senator somewhere Mel Bridgman smiles. Did you have any interactions ever with Mel Bridgman? How is this going? Flyers love their alumni, as we know. How is this resonating through the organization? Yeah, to be honest, he wasn't a guy, I think, that really had all that much

notoriety amongst the fan base. You know, you look at the teams here. It's the Stanley Cup era teams in the 70s. And then it's that young 80s team featuring guys like Dave Pool and Mark How Brian Franhex-all, Pellie Lindberg who is a notable

name today too. It's the 40-year anniversary of his fatal crash. Yeah, I don't think Mel Bridgman was a guy that really was all that came up all that often amongst this fan base, but, you know, obviously it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's a shame to see him, to see him

pass. That still, it's a fairly, you know, young age. Absolutely. I'm glad you mentioned Pellie Lindbergh as well. You know, there was that rise of like the first wave of European netminders in the NHL, um, it was tough at first, you know, Hardy Astrum with Colorado. Who I thought was really good. He got run out of town, essentially. Marcus Mattson struggled. Yuri Sira struggled. The first one, to really establish himself. And we saw a lot of glimpses of potential greatness was Pellie Lindbergh. Like he was poised to be the first superstar European-trained NHL netminder.

All derailed, of course, by an alcohol-fueled crash in his Porsche. It was just, first of all, awful for the family, we think of awful for Flyers fans. But hockey lost a lot when Pellie Lindbergh passed away. Yeah. And it was, it was amazing to me. You know, I, I don't really, I'm, I don't really remember that. I, I remember Pellie Lindberg's crash was probably one of my first memories just as a kid, not even as a sports fan. But, you know, in talking to some of these guys, Dave Poole and Al Morgani, who you know, Jeff is in the hall. He was covering the team at the time. You know, Pellie became really the fan favorite here very quickly. And part of that is because Mike Keenan, who does. deserves credit. He went to Pelly. They had lunch before Kina's first year. He told Pellie, you're my guy. You're my number one goalie. And that was a little bit surprising for Pellie because he had actually struggled the season before. But he took that ball. He ran with it, wins the Bessna Trophy in 85. And the fans saw in Pelley basically just a younger version of

Bernie Perron, who was obviously beloved here for winning the Stanley Cup in back-to-back years, but also for his personality. You know, they saw Bernie who had the, you know, a little bit of a quirky guy. He's got the accent, the foreign accent, right, the French accent. Pelly's got the thick Swedish accent. They look the same on the ice, both wearing that white mask, both the stand-up goaltenders. So, yeah, and, you know, back then in the 80s, it wasn't, you know, now in Philadelphia, it's Eagles, Eagles, Eagles. But back then, the Flyers were arguably the most popular team, you know, those two Stanley Cup champions.

championships were not far back in the memories of a lot of those fans. And, you know, Pelly takes them to the Stanley Cup finals where they lose to winning Gretzky's Oilers. And so I think that's why it still resonates is just because he was really at the height of his popularity. He's a burgeoning star. He's playing a very notable position in this city, as has been the case for 50 years. And I think that's why even today, when Flyers fans of a certain age, and even those younger

that didn't ever see him play like me, frankly, they still hold Pellie Lindberg with a certain amount of reverence. As they should. To the flyers right now, and I believe it was, was it your question to Sean Couturier that led to the,

I don't know, do we want to call it lambasting, the calling out? I don't even know how I would describe it. How would you describe how we heard Sean Couturee talk about Matve-Michcom? Yeah, well, just to set the scene here, you know, a few minutes earlier, we had spoke to Michkoff, and he talked about how much not scoring has been weighing on him emotionally. And he's been through a lot, right?

It's the coming to camp out of shape. It's him admitting, again, moments earlier that he didn't train the best way in the offseason. And to me, that's a good sign. That's a young player recognizing, hey, here's, I already know what I have to do differently next summer. And I think he's somebody that will go ahead and do that. But it was, you know, he has scored the game before in Nashville. He talked about it being a huge weight off of his shoulders. And you could really tell that it was affecting him not getting on the score.

board, right? He's a scorer. He wants to score like all of them do. Yeah. Well, you know, Sean Vittorier is the captain. I thought it was, I specifically asked him because he's the captain. It's what are you guys doing to try to get through to Matt Bay to help him what's obviously been a difficult time for him? And that's when he went into his, you know, his, his explanation just about how, you know, Mitch Koff, he's got to know that he has to do other things away from the puck when he doesn't, you know, he's not scoring. And if you look at the last game, So Mischkoff, I think a lot of fans looked at the game and they saw Michikov score a beautiful goal, certainly his biggest highlighted season so far.

And after that, you could tell that weight was off his shoulders. He was skating faster. He was dynamic. He was as dangerous offensively as he's been all season. But there were also moments in that game that, again, he's got to get out of his game, which I think Cotoria was alluding to. If you go back and look at the first Ottawa goal, and they talked about this yesterday, Tocke talked about this yesterday, Cotorier thought Mitchcoff should have been in the slot guarding Tim Stutzula, so that goal doesn't happen.

Instead, Mitchcoff's cutting up the ice already. And then if you look at the third period, there's a minute and a half left in a two-two game. And Michikov tries this dangerous cross-ice past the neutral zone that gets picked off and results in a really good scoring chance for Dillon Cousins. Again, this is a minute at half left. You can't do that in that sort of a situation. So, you know, clearly Mitchcoff is still learning that aspect. of the game. But, you know, I think a little bit too much was made of Cotore's comments. You know, he was, he was responding to a question specifically about Meechkoff.

He wasn't saying anything that would have sounded out of place coming from Rick Tocke. And as, as you know, Jeff, obviously, the captain in a lot of respects is an extension of the coaching staff. So that's really what I thought, what he was, that's how I took it. there is this sort of element here considering this is the sophomore season and like look ask Connor Bedard what that's all what's all that's that's all about and the pressures that come along with it

I find that there's there's a lot made about a young player and I keep reminding myself you can't have super high expectations for kids you can't like whether you're Conrad or Macklin Celebrini now we're all Gaga and rightfully so I think about Matthew Schaefer and this is the kid's second year and you're going to have

growing pains and a couple of things. The NHL is a really hard league to play in. And last time I checked, the other team was allowed to try hard to. Like, this is tough. So really, really, I don't care. I don't care what you did overseas. I don't care what you did when you're in junior or what you did in the American League. It's a hard league to play in. It really is. And I'm not surprised that there's a frustration that comes along with not scoring from Michoff. No, and, you know, he's on his second coach in two years now, right? And so Rick Tocket is trying to implement some very specific things offensively, which Travis Sandheim had told me something a couple days ago in Montreal. He said, basically, we didn't have much of an offensive system before. You know, he's alluding to John Torterlo. It was basically, you know, he wanted, towards obviously wanted the defensemen to get up and be aggressive and all that. But, you know, Tocke's trying to do some very specific things in the offensive zone. And so, you know, Mitchcoff. just like everybody else is adjusting to that. But obviously, Mishkoff doesn't have any experience to really fall back on.

So, you know, that's been a little bit of a problem. And so that's something he can't control. But again, he can control coming into camp in better shape. And that's something I think has been very, you know, it's obvious now. It's been a reporter a few times by me and others. You know, he didn't show up in good enough shape. And so, again, the fact that he admitted that after the senator's game. And I asked him that question, too, specifically, how do you feel now physically compared to how you were at the start of the season?

And he said, you know, and again, it's through an interpreter, but basically he said it was the first time he took four months off of hockey in his life. And so training was different. So, you know, he knows next, you know, whether that means he wants to get on the ice sooner next year or do some different things in the gym. But, you know, that was him admitting that he has to train differently next summer. And again, I give him a lot of credit for having that sort of self-aware. at 20 years old. You know, it's interesting too. You know, once upon a time, I remember there was a great line by Scottie Bourne.

I can't remember who he was talking to about it. And he was talking about coaching philosophies for players and how you can't coach every single player the exact same way. And he brought up the example of a 30 goal score. And he said, look, if you have someone that can score you 30 goals, it shouldn't be your job to turn them into a Selkie trophy candidate. It should be your job to say, this guy can score 30. I'm going to help him score 40

Like something has changed Like I know that there are certain non-negotiables For every single coach And a lot of them involve play away from the puck And the defensive side of the puck But I really do can't I always come back to that Bowman That Bowman quote

If you have a 30 goal scorer It's your job to make sure that guy gets 40 You accentuate what they're good at You what I mean? Yeah I don't you know When I'm looking at this from Cotorier's perspective of, you know, he's been a part of a losing organization for a long time now, right? I mean, the theme had some success early on.

That's not where they're at now. Organizationally, Danny Breyer has said, we want to win. We want to take the next step forward. So that's different than Breyer's first two years when it was mostly about subtraction. So if you're Sean Cotoria, you know that in order for this team to win games and get to where you want to go, you're going to need Matt Veimichkopf. You're going to need him to take another step. He's going to have to be a huge part of this, whether it's this year,

or next year. So, you know, is there a little bit of a frustration there with Gatorier and maybe some of the older veterans when, when Mischoff is making some of these mistakes? I'm sure there is, right? They want to win hockey games. But that's not, you know, and then you see online some of these suggestions that they all hate Matt Vey Meechikoff. I mean, it's, I don't even like mentioning it just because it's so stupid, but, you know,

they want to work with him. Cotorier wants to work with him. you know maybe there's a little bit of frustration because of the way he came to camp and because of how much he has struggled early on and he is still making some mistakes so you probably shouldn't be making as much as he has been frankly but um they want to win games they need matt bay mitchcock to be not perfect defensively but certainly you have to do certain things like you know not throw a cross ice pass with a minute and a half left to their neutral zone and a one in a two two game I'm going to try right now, Kevin, not to make this sound pretentious, but here I go. I kind of look at putting teams together like art in one specific way. You're either doing sculpture or you're painting. Sculpture is art by subtraction and painting is art by addition. Are they done with the art by subtraction now?

Or is that still ongoing? Jeez, that's really deep, Jeff. Well, it is Monday, 2 o'clock Eastern. I mean, you know, I think that's too early to say because, or too early to say one way or the other, because we have to see how this season goes, right? You know, they're 8, 5, and 2. Yeah.

That's probably a little bit better than maybe some expected them to be. It's, you've seen the standings, right? Everybody sees the standings, how fully packed everyone is. They've had a lot of their games at home. Mostly they've been at home. So we'll see how they grind through some road games. But, you know, the hope, obviously, is that they don't want to subtract anymore. And that's something that both Danny Breyer and Keith Jones have said.

They don't want to find themselves in a position where they're selling off assets at the trade deadline just for, you know, future draft picks or prospects. They hope that is over with. And, you know, the one guy I look at that will be a real litmus test for that is Christian Dvorak, who is, is a pretty good center. He's a 200-foot player. He wins face-offs. He penalties kills. I mean, he's basically the textbook definition of a player that a lot of

contending teams might be looking for at the deadline, right? And the flyers overpaid to get him. He's making, I think, $5 million, which is too much for a player of his caliber. But, you know, it made sense for the flyers because they needed another center. So that, he's going to be the guy for me that, you know, if you start hearing his name in trade rumors in January, February, and that'll probably, you know, that will probably mean two things.

The flyers aren't very good, and they're looking to still unload players for future assets. But, you know, if they're in the playoff mix come March 1st, DeVorec and everybody else, I feel like they'll hang on to them and keep them together. I could have just asked you if the rebuild is done,

but I respect you too much. So I had to go with a pretentious art analogy. Let me, let me close on this. Trevor Ziegress, anything on an extension? Because it seems like he is in a different headspace altogether and a different performance space altogether. I mean, I think there's still elements of like youthful exuberance, rather, with Trevor Zegris, but already like with one trade,

he's a much more mature player from me watching from the comforts of my couch. You're right there. can color this one in better than I can. Yeah, and I actually did talk to him a little bit yesterday, and I haven't gotten around to writing it or tweeting about it yet. But, you know, I asked him about the contract extension stuff, and he says, you know, he hasn't thought about it yet. And, you know, he needs to have a note or the throat. Yeah. But, you know, the notable part of it to me is, so I go back to the game in Montreal, where he had his 200th point, was it 200th point, I guess, yeah, 200th point in

their assist or whatever it was. And he was asked, how much does it mean to you to get to any and he said well it means that means more because it was cam york who scored the goal right that's his best friend and you know he went he went and started talking about how coming to the rink every day is great the energy in the rink and and that's partially because he's got some good friends in that room cam york Jamie drysdale from anaheim even christian devorak he was friends with because he knows him through cole cofield so i think right away he felt more himself and and and he enjoys the atmosphere of that dressing room every day. But he had nothing but a fuse of praise for the organization as a whole, top to bottom.

And, you know, I asked him, well, what's important to you when you make those decisions about your future? And, you know, not surprisingly, he said winning. I want to win. And that was really the only thing he mentioned. So, you know, we'll see. It was, you know, there was some cliche answers there, which didn't surprise me. but I do think he enjoys it here. I think he's made that clear.

I really think he's done all the right things and said all the right things since he's gotten here. And, you know, so far from Danny Breyer's perspective, it looks like a home run. And, you know, we'll see if some of this extension talk starts to pick up a little bit. Absolutely.

Listen, thanks for bringing up with my annoying questions. You're great. Thanks a much for sharing your expertise with us on all of it. And keep poking the bear and getting those great quotes out of Sean Couturier. Great job. We'll catch up. up soon. Thanks, my friend. There he is. Kevin Kerr's from the athletic covering the Philadelphia

Flyers. He's a second year player. I don't know what to say about Matt P. Michkoff other than hard league, good player who's still trying to find his way. And the second year is always more difficult than, I shouldn't say always, is usually more difficult than the first year. and I think that he's going to be absolutely fine whether it's issues with other teammates with again which again I'm not there so I don't know but according to Kevin that's ridiculous or you know playing the way that Rick Tockets

wants Montfei Mitchkoff to play Anywho Zach what are we leaving on the table here anything anything you need me to go over today you think that I'm left behind No topic left behind on this show, Zach. No topic left behind. Everything we've planned to do, we've covered.

So I'm happy with that. Really, eh? I need to talk about any other Canadian teams or anything. I think we're all set in that department today, Jeff. So just a fanduel and some other cool podcasts and shows coming up across the network. You don't want to mention how like the Rangers are, you know, the mid-70s flyers on the road. and at home to the 74 capitals. You don't want me to point that out.

I'm saving things for saving things for a fan duel. Don't pull this. How the Bruins have won six games in a row and. Now the Bruins are a wagon. Lighten the league on fire and Leo Carlson, who we all hate game management, but that's exactly what they use to get this guy into the NHL. We're very precise about how they did it.

And that's absolutely. paying off huge for the Anaheim ducks right now, which are quickly becoming appointment television. I'm sorry to everybody watching and listening in the East, but you should stay up to watch Anaheim games because, man, are they ever worth it? And right now, Leo Carlson's on a different planet. In the meantime, the sheet is powered by Fandul.

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The Rangers are heavily favored against the Nashville Predators, minus 184, Nashville, plus 152. There's other ones on the board that are interesting. Like every Islander's game I want to watch, regardless of if I think they're going to win or not, just I want to watch Matthew Schaefer. Same. Edmonton is going to be exciting as we talked about the Prime Monday night game here tonight.

Mostly for me and no to suspect Columbus. Like I've enjoyed watching Columbus, but like how the hell are the Oilers responding? Florida, Vegas. I mean, I'll just be completely honest. I'm going to watch it. It's on my TV. But just the interest level is slightly toned down when you talk about, as you said, Detroit, Vegas last week. You're missing Barkov.

You're missing Kachuk. It's just not quite there. You're not going to get anything. You're not going to learn anything out of this one. If you're looking for games early season, you can learn things. You're not learning anything about the Florida Panthers right now. You're not, you're just like, can they keep their head above water until they get some guys back? That's it.

I give you the Panthers, that's all you're thinking. Heads above water, heads above water. That's it. Keep, you know, keep treading water. Keep treading water. The reinforcements are coming. That's it. Yeah.

By the way, do you see the pictures circulating of Barkoff training on his own? Dude, already. I know. I went under surgery a month ago. You know, one month. The quickest healers in hockey are always the Swedes. Like how many times do you see like, oh, Alfredson's gone, you know, like three to four months? Six weeks he's back.

And like this is true of like all. I don't know how Swedes heal so fast. It's a sweeping statement. I get it. But it just always feels like Swedish hockey players heal faster than anybody else. But Barkoff finish. Yeah, yeah. Figured it out.

Whatever they've got going on. Whatever they're doing Sweden. All of a sudden, through Barkoff, the Finns have caught. I know, I was stunned. I was like, first of all, that's awesome. That's great. I miss watching Barkoff on a regular basis. I think we all do.

But two, is like, how do you do this so fast? It was like, Ovechkin last year. Like, we broke a leg and he's back in 16 games. Like, what? You remember, like, what spot of tie? Like, I know I'm older than you. Once upon a time, like, that was like, well, he's gone for the season. And they're back in a month.

It's incredible. It's always funny to me, too. It's like, well, a break is better than a pole or a strain or a tear, whatever. You hear those. A fracture because it's a clean, whatever, and it can go back. I'm not a doctor. I'm not going to try to pretend, but that's what is thrown out there constantly is, like, you hear about those. And it's like, okay, hold on.

Sure. He still broke his leg. Like, that's, at the end of the day, he did. And, oh, by the way, Alex Ovechkin, he's not 25 and he's making that comeback. I don't know. Ridiculous. But, I know. Yeah, this, this Nashville, New York game, it has, it's screaming, like, must watch from the perspective of,

at what point during the game tonight, do we hear Johnny Lazarus screaming from the press box? Somebody score a goal. As the, or as the friends go up, three nothing in the first period. It's going to hear the loudest expletives from the press box. Make sure Las has someone near him at all times. At all times. Speaking of Las, we got a new podcast here at Daily Faceoff. And I can't wait to hear this thing.

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Check out the Tri-State hockey podcast as well. you want to try signing us off again sure i can but i wanted to ask you one quick question before all right the show today yes do you think let's do the predictions game because this always goes so well for people especially in media um yeah this does not the predictions are not the bane of my existence at all at the beginning this one would be a little bit more of a editor sending us send us your predictions for the season my prediction is i have no idea that's why i tend to watch the games yeah no this one is a more generic one and it's

going to we're going to know tonight um do you think McDavid just goes nuclear tonight like do you think that this is like I cannot yeah yeah I think this is him so he screw this pops off like the cork just

exploded off a shan out of a champagne bottle don't forget for the top dogs of the Edmonton Oilers that was I know those who shrugged off and say oh it's November you're making too much out of it that was humiliating that was that was that was and yeah you could tell like Connor McDavid will treat a one goal loss as like we can't stand like that's a level that he's set for himself I can only imagine what a nine to one drubbing at home on hockey night in Canada does to Connor McDavid's head like at a certain point it's like no way no way we're not doing this no chance I am not going to let this happen tonight's going to teach you a lot about the Oilers I think how do you how do you how do you respond to to this if you're if you're Edmondson because I listen I I really do think there's only there's only so long you can surf on the idea that we're the team that struggles early but puts it all together by the end of the of the season like that's a really really dangerous way A to think and B play like all season long up until Saturday and maybe because I put I put too much on that Saturday night game because I was so excited to watch it and

and then just turned into Kale McCarr snaps in two and then the route is on. There's only so long you can do the, we're going to be fine. And up until Saturday, I was doing the same. You know what? Don't worry about the Oilers.

They're going to be fine. They do this every year. After watching that, I'm like, I don't know, guys. I don't know if I can just do that. Don't worry, they'll pull it together. And they'll be fine. They'll be right back in the Stanley Cup final

and Conner's giving them a discount of all time. And they're going to, you know, replenish the field next year, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But after watching that game on Saturday, I can't ignore what's happened and just shrug it off and say, yeah, they'll be fine. They'll pull it together. That's what they do. That's so dangerous to live that way. So you agree with that?

100%. It's the same thing I'm dealing with here in Toronto where at some point. Oh, what's happening there? What happened there this weekend? Anything interesting? No, nothing to talk about. We'll keep that moving. But again, it's the same conversation where you said where it's like, oh, it'll be fine.

it would be fine and then at some point it's not fine and you're like whoa how did we get here well actually there was this whole blueprint that we watched happen and said no no that's not real it's not happening and i think at some point here david is going to start to claw his own eyes watching what's happening on the ice around him and to be fair i mean i know that he's not playing poorly but him and Dreisel at some point here probably going to have to kind of say like let's go let's change this can I ask you a question about tonight can I ask you Toronto about a question about the Maple Leafs yeah sure it's November the 10th okay tough weekend in Boston Carolina how many times have you played the lottery simulator be honest

most like to the point where at first it was funny and I was like ha ha like I did the lottery simulator like I said to you it and then like this weekend they lost to Boston

and I pulled it up and I did it my girlfriend's like what is that I'm like don't worry it's just the time on it's like I'm not doing it for anybody other than myself at which point is really really really dark

like that's a bad place for me to be in right now. Like, I'm not doing it to be, like, funny on social media. Ha, ha, ha, I'm doing the tank. I'm like, could we get Gavin McKenna? Like, this, could this work out this year? Because I think it, they pick his top five protected. So it's, it's still snowing here in, in southwestern Ontario.

Or else I'd go tell you to go touch grass, like, let's go and have to go for a walk. Chaptop down, turn your phone off, just go for a walk. Go do something. Go have a nice dinner with your girlfriend. Do something else other than we're going to look at this. Tankapalooza. Tankapalooza. Yep.

Well, if it continues down this path, Jeff, we might have to make it like a weekly segment. At the end, where you play the Tankathon and wrap the show up. At the end of every show, you do like one pull of the same later. Yeah. Yeah.

Craig Bruby wasn't happy. The happiest weekend. yeah no kidding i last thing i'll say about this by the way and where i understand his cases so you have brought up and it's a big point that's being brought up which i completely understand not dismissing the speed they look old and slow i understand that um but some of this i don't want to say disappear some of this is not as big of an issue if you like turn your brains on a little bit. I know it's a little bit harsh to say, like, you're playing some stupid hockey, but you're playing some stupid hockey right now. There are some easily avoidable mistakes

you don't need to be doing and don't need to be making. And then the speed gets exaggerated because you're doing these dumb things to yourself. You don't need to do these things. You know, so some of that is really infuriating. Like, you're in that game against Boston tied late in the third period and Stephen Lorenz is throwing a pizza. in the middle when he's two feet away from the blue line. You don't need to do that. Jake McCabe against Carolina, tied in the third period, throw out the pizza. You don't need to do that, guys.

And then you probably don't deserve to be in those games. You don't deserve to win them. You could have. You could eliminate some of these issues, you know? You know, that's what's driving me nuts right now. This was the weekend where new players, not new players, but you know what I mean? New players popped in the top five. in scoring and we all went,

whoa, there's that first glimpse into the future, right? Like with Crosby Ovechkin in 2005, whoa, there's the glimpse into the future. Like, there's still kids, you know, barely old enough to piss straight, but look what they're doing. This is going to be great.

That's what we're getting now with Salabrini and Carlson. Like, and my friend, Connor Bardard, that was one of my first thoughts this weekend when all the headlines were dominated by, look who's number one, now it's where I? Oh, here comes big dog.

Here comes. They, woof, woof, woof, woof. Like, okay, we get it. But I wonder what teams like Toronto and teams like Nashville and other teams that, like, the leaves aren't the oldest team, neither are the Nashville. I think Winnipeg is technically the oldest team in the NHL. But I just wonder, you know, teams that are older and struggling are watching Anaheim right now and watching what San Jose could become and watching what Chicago could be.

and what they're thinking about their team, right? Like, did you miss a window? Is the window now closed? You have spruly players, but is the window? And what was the final move that closed it? And do you want to go the route of what Anaheim and Chicago, San Jose, three Western Conference teams all went through? To get to this place for now,

We're all like, man, Maclin Celebrini is awesome. San Jose is going to be great. Look at all these players they got. Look at all these green bananas. Same in Chicago. And Ari Anaheim's there. I don't know. Does it move you along to say we missed it and we better take action now?

Or you just say, you know what? We'll squeeze as many drops out of this towel as we can. I don't know. Yeah. Well, that conversation came up on Leafs after Dark Last night. So that should tell you where we're at. November. Well, it was November 9th, game 16. So, yeah, that's what the...

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