The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Leon Notches Point 1000 and the Wild Win 5 Straight ft. Brian Burke & Devan Dubnyk

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Jeff Marek is joined by Brian Burke for his weekly Wednesday appearance on The Sheet to break down a massive day across the NHL — from the full Quinn Hughes trade fallout to Leon Draisaitl hitting 1,000 career points, plus what Edmonton’s latest goaltending swap means for Tristan Jarry’s fit with the Oilers. Burke and Marek also dig into the biggest storylines around the league and what comes next for Vancouver, Minnesota, and Edmonton. Then Devan Dubnyk stops by to analyze Quinn Hughes’ fit with the Minnesota Wild, how he elevates their five-game win streak, what the Wild still need to add, and a deep dive on the Oilers’ recent play, Jarry’s adjustment period, and Draisaitl’s historic night. A loaded episode packed with expert analysis across the NHL.SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Bauer: https://www.bauer.com/👍🏼Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/caReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@FNBarnBurner🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We have a lot we're going to get to today. Welcome back to the program for this Wednesday, December the 17th. Glad to have you aboard today. We will be talking a lot about Leon Dreissel, and we'll be talking a lot about German hockey in general. With someone who's been a proponent of German hockey for a number of years, even before it was cool folks and you will hear the name

Udo Kisling and why that is important in the history of the NHL we'll talk about him and we'll talk about Leon Dreisidal and we'll talk about some of the big news of the week that was with someone who hasn't been with us for a couple of weeks mainly because of travel

and actually we're going to be getting him at the airport here in a couple of minutes so let's get right to it the blueprint is powered by Fanduel download the app today and play your game on Fanduel Coming up on the program here in a couple of moments from the airport in St. Martin, the International Jet Center,

the one and only Brian Burke, makes his return to the program. We'll talk about the trades with Berkey, catch up on some news over the past week and a half or two weeks here. General manager changes. Devin Dubnick's going to stop by. We'll talk about Leon Dreisdell and the Edmonton Oilers and perhaps the future of what's happening

between the 4x and the blue paint there for the Oilers and maybe, considering he lives there, a thought on the Minnesota Wild. Speaking of which, they've now won five straight. after shutting out the Washington capitals yesterday and plenty, did I mention, on Leon Dries Seidel. Without further ado, someone we've missed on the program for a couple of weeks, and we're rectifying it now. We travel to the airport in St. Martin, making his way back to North America, is Brian Burke, who joins us now on a very slight delay, but nonetheless. Berkey, how are you today?

Good. I apologize, Jeff. There's a little bit of background noise here. In the industry, we call that ambient sound. Like when you're doing an interview from the rink and you hear. the puck's hit the posts and the puck's hit the glass. It's all part of the atmosphere of where you're at, Berkey. So don't worry. First of all, on your way back from St. Martin, how was St. Martin? We were at St. Faris, well, to see, but it's beautiful. I've never read this part of the world before.

It's really beautiful. Yeah, and you're coming back well relaxed and well refreshed, which is a good thing because you're stepping back into an NHL which right now, Brian, seems to be dropping bombshells each and every day. But before we get to the trades and the firings and the new general manager with the Buffalo Sabres, everybody happy about Leon Dreisdell. 1,000 points. And he's the first German to hit that number.

I think back to a guy by the name of Udo Kisling, who was the first German hockey player ever in the NHL. That was 1982. He played one game for a Lou Nannies, Minnesota North Stars against the St. Louis Blues. He wore number six. He didn't score, get an assist, but he did get a holding minor. And that was it. The German national team threatened to fire his dad, who was coaching if he didn't come back.

So he went back to Germany. And it wasn't until Uveh Krupp joined the NHL that we got our second German. First of all, thoughts on Leon Drysuttle. And then I do want to talk about the 214 draft, but give us your snapshot of Leon. Leon Dicelyson is an amazing athlete because he's been a prolific score he's a leader and he kills penalties and it's becoming vogue and fashionable now

to kill penalties as a late player but Leon said it since he came into the league he's a lead at it so he's a very complete player a 200 foot player a tournament I think is overused but he's a great kid too so happy for him

first German to a thousand points and when you're with the Calgary Flames, the 2014 draft, the Philadelphia draft. Aaron Echblad goes first overall. Sam Reinhardt goes second to the Buffalo Sabres. Leon Drysidal goes third to the Oilers and your flames take Sam Bennett. How much conversation leading up to that draft did, and again, you wouldn't have had the chance anyway, so it's moot.

But how much conversation did you have about Leon Drysidal with the Calgary Scouts? We spent a lot of time on Leon, because we weren't sure what they were going to to do it out of us. So they said we went up for dinner. Tree and I took them out for supper at Shop State House by the airport. We interviewed, we had our sports psychologist data since their interview. We spent a lot of time with Winna. I hadn't seen it for a few years.

I'll do them in a game last year. He ran right over and hung me. You remember very well in time we put together. I really liked them. You remember me a lot of one of those mature kids, spoke perfect English from the other side, not from there. from the other side of Germany. Wonderful, wonderful other men.

You know, at that time, too, because, and I can recall, work in the Memorial Cup in Quebec City, the last hurrah of the Colisei, it was the Colonna Rockets facing off against the Ashawa Generals. Anthony Sorrelli scores in overtime. The last goal ever scored

the legendary Colisei and Oscea and Oscea wins. And Leon Dreisdel, who had been traded from Prince Albert to Colonna, was the big star of the team. And everybody kind of, have said the same thing. This guy's got great size. This guy's got incredible hands. He's a really smart, heady player, but the boots were always going to hold him back. Now, he gets around

the ice just fine very much. We've seen him play with a torn Achilles for crying out loud. He was the best, you know, single-legged hockey player we've ever seen. That was one of the best playoff performances any of us have ever seen. But did you have that concern? How much of a conversation was Leon Dreisel's skating in advance of his draft. We have to keep in mind the thing that we think a player can improve the most and the easiest is skating. All the stuff we want him to work on, skating can usually improve by 10 to 15% with basic changes.

And Leon didn't need any basic changes. So he's out of skating. It was not pretty. He wasn't an agile skater. He wasn't a smooth skater. We thought he got there just fine. When you look back at that draft, like at what point, because at a certain point, everybody pretty much knows

how the top five is going to go. On the floor that day, did you know that it was going to go Eckblad, Reinhardt, Drysidal, and Benet to you guys? Michael Delcold went fifth to the Islanders. So we weren't sure what would happen at three. We weren't sure if they were going to take San Bernard. We loved San Ben. We thought San Bernard was a really,

real rare combination of toughness and skill. Turns out we were right about them. We weren't sure if Evan did it would take him or not. So we spent a lot of time on both those players. We love them both. We would have taken either one. Del Coles, the guy we liked also not as much. But we were unhappy.

That's why Tree did not try to trade up to get either player. He said, whoever falls in there, far will take him. I was going to see it on. We were talking to Steve Warrior on the program yesterday At that point, he was the assistant general manager of the Florida Panthers. And the two teams that I had heard, and he said, like, yeah, those were the two that offered packages. The Philadelphia Flyers and the Tampa Bay Lightning were both trying to get that first overall pick away from Del Talent and the Florida Panthers. Philly was hosting, so they wanted to make the big splash.

And Tampa was all over Florida as well. Normally, how much, and it seldom ever happens, although I seem to recall one general. manager pulling off a rather massive trade up around the top of a draft. His name escapes me and the two brothers who he acquired escaped my mind right now too. But can you describe, just as an aside here, why is it so difficult? Like, why is it so difficult to make deals up in that like top four, top five area? Because the first four or five players, they're usually pretty solid. What made it possible for us to do the deal for the Sadiens was the week.

of the first round of the draft, the worst first round ever. And so we were able to get teams who were really moved players. So Chicago moved four, Tampa move one. But you don't even see that anymore. And Sunine's record forever anyway.

Right. Okay, back to German hockey here for a second. So as I mentioned, the first was Udo Kisling. And the first to a thousand is Leon Dreisdel. There are plenty more German players on the horizon. Look at that beautiful shot.

Look at that beautiful shot of Leon Dre Settle with a 1,000 point puck. I just love it. You know, Bricky, I can recall having a conversation with you at the old RICO Coliseum, now called Coca-Cola Coliseum in Toronto at a Marley's game. And this would I was, I would have been probably doing color for the Marley's at that point with John Bartlett. And you and I had a conversation about the future of German hockey. And it was right around that time that you were putting together an agreement

between the Maple Leafs Organization and Mannheim. And it was an interesting conversation because you talked about the German sports culture and how it may have taken a while, but it finally bled into hockey. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but can you sort of share as much of that conversation as you can from what you remember about describing

why Germany was going to be the next great power in hockey? I can remember vividly because we believed that at the time. And we're visionary. The Germans are big, competitive athletic people. They're physically big. They're used to the competition. They have a genetic bent towards team sports. They're awesome.

They're awesome athletes. They're awesome people who would be around. So we thought we could help them and kind of jumpstart the program. For 90 million people at the time, they come to the size of Ohio and Indiana, have a I'm mistaken. So big country, heavily populated, big people, big body people, athletic people, and we did a deal with man. And it was great for us.

Fantastic. You know, I remember part of the conversation we were talking about, and I've wondered this about Switzerland as well, but I remember you and I talked, there was one thing that always stuck with me that you said, because I said, like, how come it's taken so long for for Germany to rise as a hockey power. And one of the first things that you said to me was they got to do something with the import rule. There's too many North Americans there.

They need to focus more on developing German hockey players. You can say the same thing about Switzerland as well. Do you have a thought on that piece of the conversation? No, I think what I did correct you on one thing, Jeff, I did say the import rule was the problem. but not for the Swiss. The Swiss at that time were limited to two imports. And they made the problem better. The Germans allowed eight. And if you get, after one year it's an import, you get a EU passport and no longer count as an import. So the Germans were

playing at times with 13, 14, 15 North American fighters. They weren't developing any of Germans. So they've modified that somewhat. It's still a problem. But that's what we liked about in Switzerland. We also did a friendship agreement for Zer, in the Swiss state. Okay. Brackett the conversation on Leon Dreissel and Germany here.

We'll move on to some of the more immediate issues around the NHL. I know that even when you're on vacation, you keep your thumb on the pulse and you still pay attention. Your thoughts of the new general manager in Buffalo. Now, first of all,

it's rare to see a a GM move during the season. These are basically done after the season. That's when you make your decision up on your manager. But it was a rare GM change. Kevin Adams out, Yarmal Kekelanin in. Yarmal Kekelanin is a very deliberate and decisive manager. And I'll never forget,

every time that I speak with him, we talk about contracts, for example. He always says the same thing. Sometimes you have the hammer. Sometimes they have the hammer. When I have the hammer, use it. When they have the hammer, I expect them to use it as well. You have a thought on Yarmot, the new GM in Buffalo.

I'm a fan of Yarmos. I don't understand the timing, though. Like you say, Jeff, doing it now, whatever problems they have, they're not going to fix them overnight, not going to fix them that quickly. So I was shocked a little bit by the timing. That's shocked. Poor choice of words. I was surprised a little bit by the timing. I think Kevin Adams is a real good guy. He's put some really good pieces in place. It's not been able to solve the whole puzzle.

A lot of guys haven't. So I think Yarram was a good guy. I wish him well. When you look at the Buffalo Sabres, you know, a couple of things that Keckelan mentioned in his opening presser. First of all, he was asked a question about Lindy Ruff. And he spoke glowingly about Lindy and his track record. He was asked if he would make a commitment towards him.

And he said, everything right now in the organization is under evaluation. Everything and everybody is being evaluated, and right away, everyone said, oh, oh. And he also talked about the three-headed goalie monster as well. He talked about needing to do something with the Alex Tuck situation. He's on an expiring contract. And essentially, you know, having a closer look under the hood of the Buffalo Sabres, any of that surprise you, non-committal about anybody or anything to start. no lindy ruff is a friend of mine but they'd better be looking at the coach they better be looking at everything first of all there might be a coach you love who's available right now it may not be in two more weeks

so you have to be looking at the coach not a commentary on lindy rough the commentary on where they are and where they're falling to there's still only four points four wins out of a playoff spot it's unbelievable how the east has held together so it's still a salvational season or if they take decisive steps, fix the tuck problem, fix the goal, tiny problem, or carry three. There's nothing wrong with Gary three.

A few teams are doing it right now. But get to get a plan in place, get going, and yes, look at the folks. I like Lenny Ralph. I think he should survive. But you have to look at it. Sit down with the older and say, here's the things we have to look at right now,

right now, today, and see what we can fix. Well, that's the thing, too, because it seems very much like, Yarmos said a lot of things about not just, you know, and these are my words, not his, not hot-shotting this just to get into the playoffs right now, but he wants to build something long-term. Managers always say that for rebuilding squads,

and it makes sense. But you really do get the sense that most specifically for Terry Pagula, the number 14 really bothers them. And you really want to get the number 14 off the board, the successive seasons without playoffs, with the Buffalo Sabres and he wants that a race. So not that I'm saying

completely go scorched earth on the future. No one's talking about that, but it does really seem as if part of the marching orders is, to your point, Berkey, get this team in the playoffs right now.

That seems to be one of the main jobs this year for Yarmot. Okay, well, I think Yarmou wants to get in the playoffs this year. He should rent the plane, fly the lords, and bays the holy waters and lords. That's the only chance

they haven't made of the playoffs this year, in my view. Normal might be able to fix a lot. I think there's too many good teams ahead of them. It's going to be too hard to make up that ground. There are only four wins away, but they're going to have difficult to make up the ground. The East is not a terrible conference. It's just a tough conference.

It's a log jam. They have to pass eight teams to get ahead. Forget it. If you're handling the Alex Tucker situation here, and look, here we are, you know, Wednesday, December 17th, And Tuck was asked about it at practice today and he said, you know, didn't want to comment on it. He just said, like, I'll let my agent handle that. Considering how big a player he is on that team, how important an asset he is, both on the team and in the hip pocket of the general manager.

As far as strategy goes, if you're running this thing, Brian, what are you doing with Alex Tuck? We have a deadline and we need a yes or no. and then we negotiate, like, how do you handle the tuck situation? I think you do it quickly and efficiently and say Alex Tuck because there's really important players of us. We're not jumping off a bridge if he doesn't resign. So we're going to sit down and make an offer we take us there, maybe move a little bit on.

We're going to spend our time and do a careful offer and see if we want to sign. If not, we'll put you on the market tomorrow. Let's get this over with. Let's start. He's not going to stay. Let's get some for him now. Do you think it's, because I don't believe that in any kind of deal for a player like Alex Tuck or whomever else they may end up having to take to market here, I don't think they're looking for picks and prospects.

If anything, this is a team that needs to get out of that business and needs to start turning these players into these younger players into assets. Like, I look at what Kevin Adams did. Like, I'll defend Kevin Adams. I know everyone's beaten up Kevin Adams. I get it. I'll defend him on the J.J. Paterka deal, the most recent one. Josh Stone's a really good player. Michael Kestfling's injured, but I think that's a really good defenseman as well.

Like, I like that deal. I like that deal for the Buffalo Sabres. Is that the kind of deal that if you're Yarmou Kekyllane and you need to be looking at? We're not trading for picks. We're not trading for prospects. We're trading for young players in the NHL. Yes. You need a pick or a player as well.

You get a young player or a draft pick as well. we want current productive players. And you know what the one thing I say to people is, the easiest thing to fix on your team is the amount of tough of the stuff you get tougher right away. They're getting beat up. Let's get tougher right away. The easiest thing to fix other team.

The arm will get tougher right away. Not its forte, but that's what they should do. You know, it's funny to even Tage Thompson talked about this on the Kamen Strick podcast about how it's still, and he had to end up taking things into his own hands, when he fought Stefan Nason this year. But that situation last year when Stefan Nason ran him over and everybody was looking for loose change on the ice and nobody jumped to his defense.

I think that's what you're talking about here too. That's still burns and Tage Thompson. I know a lot of people are, oh, fighting is ridiculous. That's still bothers. It bothers everyone. It bothers everyone. But a good player has to fight because he doesn't have the, he's got to fight a guy he shouldn't fight

because they don't have the personnel for doing. That bothers everybody that lingers. It never goes away. They should get tougher right now, right now, right now, right now, tomorrow. Okay, off the Buffalo Sabres page. What did you make of the Quinn Hughes deal? And I want to ask you about Minnesota, your old home state, but like what did you make of the Hughes deal? And maybe more importantly, when Jim Rutherford and Bulgarian made the Hughes deal.

I love the balls on both those guys. You're talking big deals. I love big deals. I love Vienna, a lot of Cajonis to make big deals. Jimmy always has. I think Billy does too. It's a big deal. A lot of players involved, a superstar involved, good players training hands.

I love it. I love the scope of it. I like it for both teams. The Minnesota Wild, listen, they're already one of the best teams in the NHL. They just got better. They're on another heater. The goaltender is stopping all the pucks. They probably still need a center.

But when you have someone like Quinn Hughes, all of a sudden, like, I'll tell you, Burkey, that's central division right now looks to me, like, it kind of reminds me of the old Smythe division in the 80s where you had the Edmonton Oilers and the Calgary Flames and the Winnipeg Jets. And I remember Wayne Greskes saying, like, look, if the Winnipeg Jets had a had a goaltender, they would have been right there with us in Calgary, like three really strong powerhouse teams all packed in one division. It's hands down the best division, full stop, in the NHL. Now it's just got to be the race to first place because you don't want to be one of the two threes that face off against each other in the first round. That's the key right now. It's finished first.

I don't think that's not the emphasis. And we've got to look at the playoff format. We've got to go to 1-8 and recede. You can't have top teams in one of eight in the first round. But it's exciting to watch. All three teams are fun. They're excited. I need to watch.

They score a lot of gold. They're physical. I love them, all three of them. Hey, let me get a thought from you about them. Before we ask you about the Edmonton deal from last week with the Pittsburgh Penguins, just the thought on Bill Garron. Like, Bill Garron has been involved in the biggest contract signing this year in Carol Caprizo. And now he's been involved in the biggest trade of the year with Quinn Hughes.

I'm always curious to get your thoughts on other managers. And by the way, as an aside, if anyone, one can, and it's out of print, but it's a great book. It's called Behind the Moves by Jason Ferris. And Berkier, a big part of that book, too. And hearing managers talk about managers is always interesting. What are your thoughts right now? You mentioned the size of his testicular area.

But other than that, what do you think of Bill Garon as a general manager so far? Well, he had a goal that popped off about ice time. He traded him the next day. I love that. I love Bill Garen's guts. I fancy a little of myself I told him I said I hope you not offended by that I said that once

he said oh he was flattered by that but I think it takes they have to have sensible moves you can't everyone says he's a riverbell gambler but river roll gamblers live to gamble again

they weren't stupid they didn't take an insane chance and they just were willing to run rest that's what belgaria's willing to do I don't say say, you know, Caprice office, not the same

same guts and signing a deal for Quinn Hughes. There's an overpaying a player to get them signed doesn't necessarily mean it's a good move.

But I do like it. I do like everything he's doing. I admire them. The Oilers Penguins deal from last week, which, you know, it's funny too, because the,

the news cycle on this one was pretty quick. And we thought it was going to burn all through the weekend. And then Bill Garin and your mother for got together on Friday. But the goalie swap. We don't necessarily see goalie swaps all the time,

but there it was. And the two primaries in this one, Tristan Jari and Stuart Skinner, thought it was interesting slash hilarious, watching both goaltenders play against each other last night, still both wearing their old masks. That's always a nice little touch. Kulak goes the other way as well in a second round pick. Do you have a thought on this one, Stan Bowman Calduvus?

Yeah, I like the Tr, for Pittsburgh got not just the goalie back out of it. I think Stuart Skinner's, I think they're both goalies that need to change the scenery. With Mike Sullivan being in Pittsburgh, he's gone now, obviously, but I think they blame they,

not just Mike. The coaching staff in Pittsburgh had lost some confidence in Tristan Jari. It was time for him to get a change of scenery, and Stuart Skinner for sure has played better than the criticism as the level of him. So I like the fact they both

to try it in a different place. Justin Jari is big, athletic, and battles. He'll be a real good goalie for Edmonton. I really like him. I had him in Pittsburgh, obviously. I like Stuart Schittner. I don't know Stuart Stewart's Jr., and I like. But Fulac Owen and a pack nick going

makes us a good deal for both teams. You know, I just can't help thinking, too, like from the Penguins point of view, like they're in a different place than the Edmonton Oilers are. If at the end of it, it doesn't work out, all of a sudden, Kyle Dubbus can move, Kulak easy. Teams will be interested. There's a third round pick or whatever

and you can probably do the same with Stuart Skinner. They're both on expiring contracts. I know where you are, Berkey, the only ice is in the drinks, but you are coming back to the snow and ice in Canada now. Travel safe, my friend. We'll talk to you soon.

Thanks, Seth. Thanks for that. from the airport in St. Martin, the one and only, Brian Burke. Hey, Zacharoo. Yo. I'm happy today. Did you speak to Lou today again? To Lou.

Because I knew I was going to, you can always tell, right? I knew that I was going to talk about Leon's Vice Idol today. So I went back and did just a quick little search on Udo Kisling, who was the first German player ever in the NHL, played one game for the Minnesota North Stars, March the 13th, 1982 in St. Louis, at the old Checker Dome.

And guess who the guy was, who flew to Dusseldorf to sign him and bring him back to, or not back, bring him to North America? Can only guess Lou Nanny? Lou Nanny was the visionary, and he said like and he told me he was like yeah the german federation said and his his father was like a legendary german hockey player coach like all of it um and they said like if if your son doesn't come back like because he was a big piece of of german hockey internationally i think i ended up playing like 350 games i think that's the most of any german not not not not not not all because there was one female player who played more but as far as men's hockey goes uh he's playing he's playing he's playing the most games internationally for Germany and was a key piece,

was a really great defenseman. So it's like, look, if your kid doesn't come back, you're going to lose your job. Think about that in today's day and age. Things that happen then that wouldn't happen now, like an ice hockey federation from another country says, yeah, if you don't send my son back to Prague, you don't send my son back to Stockholm,

you don't send my son back to Helsinki, we're going to fire your father. But that's what was held over his head. And that's why he only played the one game in the NHL. But Lou told me a great story. So he played against Udo in 1976 World Championships, which was, as you'll recall, Zach, the first time that the World Championships was open to NHL players.

And Lou at that point was a pro, and he went over to play and actually got in a fist fight with his own coach, John Marucci, beside a coke machine after one of the games coach was yelling at him and Lou barked back and he actually got into a fist fight with his coach after one of the games

after his legendary coach to University of Minnesota Golden Gophers Anyhow, I just thought that that was a fun way to spend and you know like I'm keeping Lou on the phone for an hour and so just another great guy I've had a lot of Lou in my life lately so I'm in a good mood these things I was going to say that's convenient for you hey you're like oh wow oh no Minnesota

oh no I have to talk to Lou oh no I'm calling Lou I'm calling Lou I'm I'm I just going to sort of like steer this program into like how I can tell like Minnesota and Earth Star stories from the 70s and 80s so I get a chance to call it and get more stories at him anyway congratulations to Leon Dreisettle that looks fantastic congratulations to Morgan Geeky who keeps scoring goals for the I know right for the Boston Bruins and other pair yesterday. Minnesota Wild 5-0-0-0 over the Washington capitals. Philip Gustafin, 25 saves.

Third shutout of the season. Jasper Walshstadt has four shutouts. Team has seven. I know Colorado's good. I know Dallas is good, although there are some people that aren't as on side with Dallas as others. It was funny.

I was talking to someone from another team yesterday who said, like, hang on a second here. They're all shooting like 12%. League average is nine when this thing comes down, then talk to me about the Dallas Stars, but nonetheless, this Minnesota team is a wagon. Yeah, one of the things that I always, I think is interesting. Do you remember the Canucks run, I'm not talking about the run itself, but do you remember the numbers that they were putting up in the regular season in the year two seasons ago, I believe it was? And everyone

kept saying, this is going to come down. Yeah, but everyone kept saying, this is going to regress, this is going to regress, this is going to regress. And like, I guess they didn't win the Stanley Cup, so if you want to say it came back to Earth, sure, like, they didn't win the ultimate prize, but, like, it never came down. You know, that's an 82 game sample size, and then including into the playoffs, or it never came down. That was, it's funny. So what you're talking about is PDO, like the combination is short percentage and save

percentage. There were a couple of years, actually in a row where the Anaheim Ducks had an ungodly PDO, but you know the one that I always remember? Always. And I'm going to get to Devin Dubnick after this point. there was that one year. I think it was Patrick Waugh's rookie year's head coach of the avalanche where their PDO was just stupid.

It was like ridiculous. And for the whole season, like it does happen where a team can go through an entire season. But generally by the time the playoffs roll around, that kind of crashes. But as far as like going through the regular season, yeah, you can do it. It's happened before.

And usually there is like at least one of those teams in the league that does it. And then they flame out in the playoffs. Okay. In the meantime and in between time, please be joined now by analysts here on Daily Faceoff. He is a former NHL NetMinder, the host of AskDubi, the one and only, Devin Dubnick joins me here for comments on a couple of things. And Devin, thanks so much for hopping by here. I want to get your thoughts on the Oilers. I want to get your thoughts on that trade, the goalie swap. But you're in Minnesota.

Is it like Quinnamania, Quinnapalooza? Like, how do we describe the Quinn Hughes phenomenon here? I mean, first of all, the team was already playing great. Now he's played two games. They've won those two. They're five in a row now. The puck must look the size of a watermelon for both goaltenders. But Quinn Hughes is the story.

The reception looks great. What do you make of the deal in his presence on the wild? Well, it's a massive deal. And, I mean, you don't need me to tell you that. But the thing that it shows for me is that is Billy Garen saying, like, we're going to try to win now. And realistically, if you don't make a trade like this, you're ending up in the same situation where you've got a good hockey team that's probably going to get out in the first round. Now, this isn't guaranteeing them anything, but they just threw a bag at Caprice off.

He's signed for a long time. They have his best years in front of him now. So if they want to win now, yeah, Colorado is there. Yeah, Dallas is there. I heard you guys just talking about Dallas. But they're not going away, especially Colorado's not going away anytime soon. you can't waste away these Caprisoff years and you signed him to all this money by having a good team that's not really ready to win.

And so they go out and get Quinn Hughes. Now they've got Walsad's playing incredible. Obviously, there's high expectations for him and people were excited about him, but he's performing past those. Gassison's always been good. Now they have two 1A goalies. This isn't a 1A, 1B. They got two 1A's who are playing incredible.

And you start to go down the list, Caprizo, Boldie, favor um quin hues now and i mean you still got spurgeon and and and zuccarello and like their team is good oh yeah and and and i think this queen hugh's piece is just that added piece that says we're gonna we're going to try to win right now we're not we're done with with this and and uh i think it was a great move on both sides

vancouver got younger uh we know the situation that they're in and people people were talking to me in Minnesota. They're like, I don't know about Booiam. And I'm like, okay, yeah, he's a great player. But if Zeeb Bouillon turns out to be 75% of the player of Quinn Hughes, he'll have a great career. But we're talking five, six years down the road. That's your caprice off window. So I think it was an incredible move that way. Now, the only thing that comes in is, does he resign? You've got to imagine there was conversation there, but I don't know the rules and how that works because they can't do it until July. Yeah, I mean, they can, I mean, the agent can have informal conversations, you know, with the team, and this is my client's intentions.

And like, the thing that I keep coming back to as well is, and this is like a very calculated risk by Bill Guerin because he knows that when it comes time to doing an extension, the team that has Quinn Hughes has the advantage because the CBA changes on September 15th and there's no more eight year deals. And there's no more front loaded deals. And there's no more super heavy bonus deals. Like Bill Garron here can say to C.E. and Pat Brisson, like, look, you can still get signed under the framework of the old CBA or you can try to walk to free agency next year and that's fine, but then you're going to be dealing with a more restrictive system. You're going to be dealing with a more restrictive CBA and you're not going to be

able to sign a deal that you can here with the Minnesota wild. Like, is it a risk? Of course it's a risk. But the end of the day, you got the player, you made your team better and you have a better chance than any other team right now at signing him under the terms of what's going to be called soon, the old CBA. Here's what I love about it, Devin. I like that there's a team in the central division that looks at Colorado and what they're doing and looks at Dallas and what they're doing and doesn't say, ah, you know what, the division's too tough.

This is going to be too hard. Oh, you know what? Maybe a step back. Is it? No. They're like, all right, cool. We're going to roll up our sleeves. We're going to bite down on our mouth guard. We're going to make a trade for Quinn Hughes. We're going to get a bat and we're going to get in the box and we're going to swing for the fence. As a fan, okay? Like, I don't have anything. I'm talking from the back seat. I'm just a fan of hockey. Right? As a fan, I love that. Like, honestly, there are too many, because hockey is very conservative, as you know, there'd be a lot of teams that would be like, ah, you know what? It's not really our year. Try to heavy up on the drive. and maybe trade a couple of guys out. And no, here's Bill Guerrins said, Colorado doesn't scare me.

Dallas doesn't scare me. I'm going for it. I love that. And this is a fan base who's, yeah, and this is a fan base who's for too long now has had to sit and watch their team be good, but get bounced in the first round and not really look like they have a fighting chance. And that's the biggest thing here now is that people really feel like this is a team that can win now.

Like they were playing great before, but you saw, you saw in a short period of time what Quinn Hughes can do, and it's everything that he does from the back end all the way to the fore. And we know his offense, we know his offensive capabilities, but you go all the way back to him breaking pucks out of the zone. He's going to be getting pucks moving to the forwards. Minnesota wasn't great at creating offensive odd man rush chances. That's going to change because of the way that he moves the puck. There's so much that he does on the ice that if you don't pay close attention to, is so huge for a team and he's shown it already in a short time.

How much better and how quicker does he make Brock favor? Yeah, I mean, now you've got two guys that like to move. And when you've got to be able to have another guy that can move for you to really be freed up and be able to play at that full potential. And now he's able to do that, the vision, the reading the game, the passes that they're able to make to each other. If you've got a guy that doesn't move as well or doesn't read the game as well, on the other side, it's going to limit you a little bit.

And obviously, there's zero limits to Quinn Hughes, so that's going to help favor a ton. Last question about Minnesota. Then I want to get to Edmonton and some goalie questions here. But this is a big year for Minnesota. There's the Caprizov deal. There's the Quinn Hughes trade. There's the World Juniors in Minnesota,

which is always a big deal. And then you wonder about, listen, Bill Guerin might bring home a gold medal as well. And then you wonder about the playoffs. There's a lot of hockey before we get there. But as you look at the Minnesota Wild right now, can you see this team winning the Stanley Cup?

Yeah. And, you know, long way to go before that. But this is the first time. I think I can really say yes, like truly, and feel like there is a chance of that happening. whereas before it's kind of and I think everybody's starting to feel that in Minnesota as well where now it's like okay it's a real hockey team and they've always had good teams but it never felt like great teams and it kind of always like it was almost like nobody was that surprised

when they lose in the first round and and even if they got past the first round you know there's never that feeling and now there's this feeling of this team can do it and you're watching them on the ice and they've got like I said they've got two good goaltenders now two great goaltenders now starting with that and now you're watching this team and I think it's the first time in a long time that wild fans or ever dare I say ever maybe I'll say a couple years when I was there they thought we could win to but for the most part first time that they can truly say like we're we're like a Colorado we're like we're a team that is going to dominate and truly

have a chance to win. I even go back to like, you know, 1967 expansion and the North Stars and I remember when they made the Stanley Cup final and it was like, it was a tough one. But like this is, this is a, it's always been a great hockey state as you know like the fans there are crazy

for their hockey. The high school tournament is you know, talk, not just talk of Minnesota, but like the whole hockey world with its own culture of hair and great hockey. But this, like, I know, it just sort of, like, Devin, it just happens every now and then, like, with certain markets and certain cities. Like, it feels very much like right now it's a Minnesota year.

And I think that would be fantastic. In the meantime, it's been an Edmonton year for the past couple of years. Haven't got all the way, but come close twice. What did you make of, and I don't want to get to Leon Dreisel here in a second and a thousand points? What did you make of the goalie for goalie deal? I got to ask a goalie about a goalie for goalie deal. How did the goalie see the goalie for goalie deal? You can see how many times I can say goalie here?

Yeah, so I'll rewind back to when it first happened. And I think, you know, I probably share the same sentiment with a lot of people. To me, it's not that I wouldn't say dislike it other than they, you know, they gave up a lot. They had to move Kulak, obviously, in order to get that to make the salary cap work. And then the second round pick seems like a lot when you're kind of in the same, situation. And you can argue one where Stuart Skinner was starting to play well the last few games. You can also go back and argue that that's the whole problem is that there's there's the inconsistencies there. And, you know, on paper on the stats, yes, Jerry is an upgrade. But if you

is it really, it's pretty straightforward. And to me, the only thing that's that I don't like about the trade, I guess. So I like Stewart Skinner. But is that Edmonton's in the same situation they were before. And that's, again, I talked about this too much and I don't like doing it because I love Calvin Pickard. But he's a great teammate and he works his butt off and everything. But they're in the exact same situation where they're not comfortable playing him, multiple games in a row. And Tristan Jari struggles. They're now forced into a situation where they have to play Jari because they have to, not because they want to. And Tristan Jari has no pressure release valve on the other side of it and you're in the exact same snowball and hopefully

Edmonton can play more consistently and a new face can do that and he's certainly done that since he's got there but if things were to go sideways and off the rails they're in the same predicament that they were before I would have loved to see a combination of Stuart Skinner and Tristan Jerry and I realize that probably doesn't work salary cap wise or other things would have needed to happen but that's what I kind of was hoping for or the Oilers was getting somebody to play with Skinner of Tristan Jari's caliber. And in this case, like I said,

if things go off the rails, you're in the same spot you were before. That's why I don't think anyone thinks to Stan Bowman is done with his goalies. Yeah, I can't imagine he is. I know, like everybody got excited and maybe rightfully so when Yarmou Kekekelein and yesterday talked about

we can't have three goalies here. We're going to have to make a decision. I think everyone at Ebbington kind of went, Alex Lyon? Really? Alex Lion? We'll see what happens. But, you know, we saw one of the strangest phenomenons yesterday

where goalies switched teams, but they kept the same mask. Let me frame it this way. I love John Garrett. John Garrett is like one of the best people in the industry. He's a great broadcaster. He's a great person. My first WHA game that I went to as a kid, he was the goalie.

Would have been the TOROs facing off against a cal. Calgary. Cowboys, I believe Wayne Wood was in net for Calgary and John Garrett was a goaltender for. Anyway, he had the coolest mask. Oh, yeah. Because I sat right behind the net and there was cheat trade for me the whole time. It was the coolest thing. So, um, uh, he broke my heart when he told me that my favorite mask, his Birmingham Bulls mask, which is also a Toronto Toro's mask. He painted over when he got traded. I'm like, oh, John, that mask. Doug Favel, the pumpkin mask, he, the legendary pumpkin mask, Philadelphia. That was painted over his.

well. So I get it that all goaltenders, keep their masks, don't paint over them, everyone that's going in every goaltender's personal Hall of Fame in their basement. What's it like wearing the mask of another team when you're playing? Does it enter your head at all? Like, does it, is it, am I reaching for something that's not there? Because from a fan's point of view, you're like, dude, you're not on that team anymore. Like, I can't see a player where I can't see, you know, Brett Kulak wearing like, you know, a helmet with an oil or sticker on the side. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, usually they go to they go to white or they actually have a thing now where you can you can wrap it, which is what I did when I went to Colorado.

It's, it's almost like a, like a vinyl wrap, vehicle wrap. So they can produce it really quickly. Now, I think this is probably still too quickly for Skinners and Jari's scenario, but they can do it in just a couple days. It just prints off a computer. It gets heat wrapped to the mask. It looks like a painted mask. So that's one way to go about it. But yeah, I mean, I have a great, great hockey card out there. It is me in a Nashville Predator's jersey with an Edmonton Oiler's helmet. And it says, Devin Dubnick, Montreal, Canadians on the bottom. So that was, that was like the peak card of like the low point of my career on a hockey card.

Somebody passed it to me to sign and I just started dying, laughing when I looked at it. I'm like, that's amazing. You couldn't make up that hockey card. Oh, man, that is phenomenal. And I'll tell you what, like right now, my producer, Zach is like, I'll tell you right, he's scouring Google images to try to find that, to put it up. Oh, it'll be up there. It's like an upper deck card.

It's a legit card. It'll be there, yeah. Well, we'll get that, we'll get that one up here. So we'll talk a little bit more here. I want to ask you about Leon Dreissel, okay, of the Edmondson dollars. Now, I did this whole big thing on a guy that name of Udo Kisling, who was a first German player of all time in the NHL. he played one game with the Minnesota North Stars in March of 1982

and then went back to Germany because they threatened to fire his dad who was a German national coach at that time and they put the pressure on the kid to come back because he was the best defenseman and they wanted him back and Kistling ended up going back to Germany. But that was the first. He was the first German player ever now. Not only do we have multiple German players in the league.

They're not just like bottom guys who like top guys and Leon Dreissel is the top dog period, and he's now recorded 1,000 points in the NHL. There's a lot of things that I find fascinating about dry sidle. One, how he, quote, unquote, fixed his skating from junior hockey to the NHL. Two, how he was able to play against the Los Angeles Kings with the torn Achilles, which I just, I talk to players, and they all say the same thing. Like, I don't know how he could put up with that kind of pain.

game in and game out, shift in and shift out. And then the burger flipper, that canoe paddle of a blade that he has. And guys will tell me, like, a lot of guys will have like a shorter blade, keep the puck in tight. And he's using this massive, massive blade. But listen, he's one of the best players in the game. At times, he's the best player in the game. When you hear the name Leon Dreisdell, Devondubnik, what comes to your mind right away? Well, I just think of that, of that beast player.

And actually, one thing that comes to mind for me, and I don't know if it's the right word, but it's almost underrated. And I only say that because this is a guy who plays with Connor McDavid. Everybody talks about Connor McDavid. And yes, everybody talks about Leon Drys Idol, too. But do they talk about him enough, really? Because if this guy is on any other team in the league, he is the guy on a pedestal far and beyond. And somehow, but then in Edmonton, you have Connor McDavid, who's on a pedestal far and beyond.

So for how incredibly good Leon is, I don't think he gets talked about that much. Of course he gets talked about because you can't not. But it's not the same level as he'd be anywhere else. And he's obviously completely fine with that. But just, you know, the different aspects of his game, like everyone thinks Leon is a passer and he's a great disher. But then, you know, he's got 50 goals. And he's got this, like, ridiculous shot from the goal line that he's obviously.

he practiced a million times in his life and that's what makes him so great too is you don't as a goalie like you don't really know is he is he going to hit that thing is you going to pass it to the other side he can kind of load it up in the same way where you don't really know where he kind of loads his body and he can do one or the other and he's probably looking to decide what he's going to do um but another thing too when you see him in person is just he's a he's a big boy oh yeah he gets on the ice he's an absolute horse and he kind of plays that he's a He's just a big, big lumbering guy. But again, I think just, to me, the biggest thing is, like, somehow underrated or under-talked about for how incredibly good he is.

It's weird, hey, because I used to always feel that way about Sergey Federoff with Steve Eiserman. I mean, Eisenman, of course, you know, legend in Detroit. And the other one is, is Evgeny Malkin, who, if there was no Sidney Crosby, how much would we be talking about Malkin? as being like you know the one of i mean we already do but like at a different level if crosbie if crosbie wasn't there i know exactly i know exactly what you're talking about by the way we don't have the card but we do have the the gear combo take us take us back to this one devon doobnick yeah so this is this was basically was on the card it wasn't it wasn't the same picture but it was this and then just picture montreal or devon dubnik montreal canadians on the bottom just to top it

all off um so yeah this would have been this would have been the first game um gosh that was probably from warm up actually no that's a home game so i was going to say i thought i thought i wore a white mask for a little bit my Nashville mask took a little bit but yeah it's i mean once you put the helmet on you can see they use the white pad tape um to cover up the orange but once it's on your head obviously doesn't notice but then of course you see you know you'll you'll like make a save and glance up with the jumbochon, they're showing the replay or something. You're like, ugh, that doesn't look right. So, yeah, you got to try to forget about it.

I didn't do nearly as good of a job of forgetting about it in Nashville because I couldn't really get in front of many, but it's a weird one. Listen, as I always say about this show, you know, Dan Carlin has a great show. Dan Carlin is my favorite podcaster. And he used to host a daily political talk show in San Diego. And he would always say the same thing. He would say, you know, three days a week, I'm the best radio. host in the industry.

The problem is, I'm on five. So we all, they can't be perfect shows all the time either. So that's, that's industry-wide. One thing I'm going to close on this. I always like asking hockey players this question. Is there a team that you always wanted to play for, but never did? And I'll frame it this way. So this comes off a conversation I was having years ago with Brad May.

And so, like, was there a team they always wanted to play for? And he said, yeah, the Boston Bruins. He said, I always wanted to play with the Bruins. And they made me an offer and I wanted to sign it. But then they said, like, you'd be taking Travis Green's spot. We'd have to move out Travis Green. And maybe said, Travis was one of my best friends. And I wasn't going to do that.

So I didn't end up playing with the, I didn't take the offer. I didn't end up playing with the Boston Bruins. But was there a team, Devin Dubnick, they always said like, oh, man, I just like, maybe because we were a kid and you dreamed about it. Was there a team you always wanted to play for that you didn't? you know what's funny is I actually hit like most of my teams if you if you've asked this question throughout my career like you know Calgary would have been cool obviously growing up in Calgary but you know you don't necessarily want to play like at home some guys do some guys don't so I never really had this like crazy Edmonton was kind of that for me you know when I was when I was growing up Calgary wasn't very good and Edmonton was played Dallas every year in the playoffs. And so you're cheering for them. I had family there.

So Edmonton was one of those teams. So I got to play for Edmonton. Then, you know, it didn't, it wasn't nice when I went there, but you go to Nashville and Bridgestone Suite and Nashville sweet. And you're like, oh, this would be a fun team to play for it. I played for Nashville. Didn't play for Montreal, but you could throw that one on the list too. And then when you, every time you go down to Scottsdale and you're there, you're like,

man, it'd be nice to play here. And so then I got a very short little brief stint on. what it would be like to golf and play hockey at the same time and wear shorts to the rink every day, which is phenomenal, by the way. But that was a four-month little stint. And another team that I always thought played against him a lot, went in, thought the team was great, the rink, everything was Minnesota. And I'd even, I laugh with my parents about that after I get traded because my dad didn't

say anything, but he's like, I always thought it'd be kind of cool to play for Minnesota. And so that was another one. Another one of those teams would be San Jose, because every time we rolled in there, Dark Tank, Joe Thornton, Joe Pavelsky, Patrick Marlow, Brent Burns. It was crazy in there. And they were going to Stanley Cup final. And I thought that would be a cool place to play in Colorado because Nate McKinnon and gave Lannis Cog.

So I kind of hit all these teams. Like all the teams I played on were all these teams that I would want to play for. Yeah. That's a pretty cool story. Like honestly, like I always talk about the old saying that I still hang on to. And I say this to my kids too, even though not at the NHB. level obviously use hockey don't you don't let hockey use you like you know use it for experiences and meeting people and traveling and seeing different places um i i'm always of a

couple of minds one there's like i can see and respect players that want to stay in one market their entire career and just want to be like bam you're like your your your hockey db is one team but then i always say to myself like man go and experience a lot of things right like there's a there's a lot of value in it too and go and meet different people and different organizations in different cities and get like a full sort of idea about about what it's all about. I mean, I don't know. I don't know that I have a point here other than I can see value in both, just from a life perspective, from a life point of view.

You know what I mean, Devin? Well, I look at my life. And I mean, I wanted to be that lifelong Edmonton, Euler. And I mean, looking back, obviously not realistic because, you know, keep people around when you're not winning. But, you know, I get traded from Edmonton to Nashville, nightmare, Montreal. nightmare all these things things feel crazy wish i was back in emminton i love to have that team as my team my whole career but now i end up in minnesota we had two of our kids there we live there

full time yeah i love it there the the business that i run the do make development it's a perfect spot there with all of the youth hockey i'm coaching youth hockey could be could end up anywhere else in these in the states where youth hockey is not the same thing obviously you can always make your way back back to Canada where it is but you know we this it took me here and so that everything that all those travels took me to this place that's it's an amazing place to be and and uh you got three kids and everything's great and and you know if you stayed in emminton that whole time it's not the same thing and maybe it is but the experiences aren't there so I think you're right great uh listen this has been great oh look at that

yeah that was Hamilton was Hamilton was a big was a big deal for for you too, wasn't it? Listen, it was a tough year. I know it was tough. I did this multiple times. Wasn't that like a, wasn't like a sort of like a pivot year for you? No, that was the end of the of the down year. So I went from Nashville cleared waivers, got traded to Montreal and straight to Hamilton.

And then I was in a three goalie rotation in Hamilton. And then at the end of the year, I went up, I got, I was a black ace for Montreal, which is the last thing I wanted to do. I had a baby at home and hadn't been home. And I went there and they beat, they won the first round and then they beat Boston in game seven in the second round. And I finally just said to the team, I was like, I got to go home.

You're not resigning me. I'm fourth on the depth chart. I can't skate with 20-year-olds. I haven't seen my family in 12 weeks. I got to go home. And I did. And then Kerry Price got hurt the next day. And I had to go on Hockey Night in Canada and tell everybody why I went home.

Right. Man, you get the best stories. By the way, we're going to be looking at you up when we get there for the world juniors. Yes, I'll be around. Are you going to go to some of those games? We're going, my kids are actually going to be flag bears for the opening ceremonies.

So we'll for sure be at the USA Germany game. That's great. Yeah, I think, so my oldest is going to carry a Canadian flag. And then I think my youngest might just be tailing him. I'm not sure if they're going to have flags or not. That's awesome. Oh, what a great. Great experience.

I love it. Okay, well, we'll look you up as soon as we get there. Thanks for this, David. Yeah, sounds good.

Be good. Absolutely. Anytime. Be good. Devin Dubnick, former NHL, netminder, now analyst here with the nation network

and the host of Ask Duby and a good nature guy. And yeah, I got to find that hockey card too. Anyhow, we'll... I got it. I got it, Jeff.

Oh, you do have it. Okay, let's have a look at it. The worst timing possible. but I just got it right now. Hold on. I'm just putting it onto the screen for us. This is where the host says. If you're listening to us on a podcast,

switch over to the YouTube. Oh, yeah, there it is. Let me get this. The Oilers Mask, the Nashville, Jersey, and Montreal Canadians. Look at that. That's not supposed to happen. Yeah, this one was just sent into us here, like right now,

and I grabbed it was desperately, trying to get it on screen during the show. That's okay. There you go. Who sent it in? Let's give props. Little Willie. Of course.

He's on it. He's on it. Nice screen grab at me. It looks like I'm like having a nap or something. All right. There we go. We got it. I was trying to grab that one and get it in.

Oh my goodness. I was looking everywhere for that. Willie gets a production credit. That's it. Yeah, fair. This show, the show produced by. That was a scramble to find. find that card you must love that a when your host like well i can tell you what our

producers doing right now he's like no i'm having a coffee dummy no no i was it it was good because we were on the same page i was looking for it but i'm like looking every possible combination of like wilds uh hockey card doobnick canadians and it's just like it's all those pictures of him that i showed on the show here but that was it we got right we got it um a couple things here. Hungry for Hockey History. I've got to hop on Tyler and Liam show here in a second. So Hockey for Hungry for Hockey History is a presentation

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Eats is assisting every fan's hockey experience all season long. What do we got today? Today we have a guy that we have never actually brought up on the show before, Jeff, which I think is kind of interesting because I think a lot of them at this point, we've kind of gotten to a point where we've actually circled back. Oh, no, we talked about it.

John Bellaf. No. 1989. Doug Wilson's 700th career point, Chicago Blackhawks defenseman. Doug Wilson reached 700 career NHL. Hale points, registering a goal and two assists in a 6-5 win over the Edmonton Oilers. Great defenseman. Chicago Blackhawks never wore a helmet. I think he was.

Craig McTavish would have been the last player to go helmetless. Randy Carlisle, Rod Langway, Brad Marsh. I think Doug Wilson all around the same time. Let go of their helmetless date. I want to say Doug Wilson was early 90s. I want to say Marsh and Carlisle and Langway were a little bit later and then McTavish would have been like 96, I think.

That's the way it feels to me. But anyway, the point that I want to make about Doug Wilson is as much as, and he did, he did, when he was a general manager, have a reputation for grinding players and really taking his time and like deals were like deals were not i would say easy to do with wilson not that he had a bad reputation quite the opposite

because the thing about Doug Wilson was and i've heard that there was one player specifically who fits this bill even if you didn't have a contract signed if you had a verbal agreement with Doug Wilson that was as good as having a contract at Central Registry. Like I've heard stories about verbal deals that were done. And then later on, when it might have looked like it would end up being a bad deal,

Doug would never be the general manager that said, I know we had an agreement, but like, and that happens too. Like manager was like, oh yeah, you know, at the end of the year, this is the deal we're going to do. And then the player doesn't have a great year. And you say, well, you know, things have changed. And your client didn't do this. blah, blah, blah. If you had a verbal agreement with Doug Wilson, that was as good as a contract

that was signed by both parties. That has always been the reputation of Doug Wilson, who is now a consultant with the Pittsburgh Penguins, and I'm really happy for him. I'm, listen, we all sort of, you know, held our breath and hope that Doug was going to be okay when he went through his health situation. I have all the time in the world for Doug Wilson. And I know it was San Jose. So maybe it's like you're not going to get

a ton of media requests. But in any show that I've ever been part of when he was running the San Jose Sharks, whenever you would call San Jose and request Doug Wilson, it didn't matter if it was a winning streak or a losing streak, always show up. And a lot of people do.

And that's how we handle all of his day-to-day conversations with people, respectful and his word was his bond that's what I think of when I think of Doug Wilson I like him a lot and he was a really good defenseman

and he never wore a helmet who was the second last guy to not wear a helmet McTavish was the last one I don't think Doug was but he was in that like Brad Marsh Rod Langway Randy Carlisle is there a second last one

am I right no I'm missing an obvious one you have that look on your face like All America Brad Marsh Was it what year This is really good

On the podcast We're just going to listen to Retired in 93 So Marsh That's I'm looking for other ones I'm trying to I didn't leave anybody out Well this is really interesting stuff here

The last part of the podcast Is now Philly surfing Yeah They try to find out No, that was it. That was the final one, 93. Before that, it's the guys that you said. Carlisle, Langway, Bobby Clark, Gila Fleur, Butch Goring.

Like, these are the ones that are being listed here. Bush Goring. But, but these are the ones that I'm having listed on this. No way. Hey, I'm telling you where I'm having this. I know Butch Goring did. Bush Goring essentially had like a napkin with a chin strap on his head. It wasn't much of a helmet.

Butch Goring had a helmet. This Google thing is eating space cake. Enough for this Google thing. Yeah. Gielflur, Rod Langway, Doug Wilson, Randy Carlyle, Brad Marsh. But it was Brad Marsh, who was the second last.

And then Randy Carlisle listed as the one third last. And where was Doug Wilson? Fourth last? What do you have been? He's just in the group of Liffler Langway. Yeah. Yeah, lift out, lifler. How can I forget those feathers?

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Oh, yeah? If I give this out and it loses, I get to throw John under the butt. and if it wins, and I'm the guy who presented you the information. So yesterday, we won the first parlay of the year. Yes, you did. It only took until December, but the return of the Mac hit. Celebrini, McDavid, and McKinnon all scored.

So we went back to jump. By the way, just as an aside, one thing I wanted to mention, Celebrini's been in on 50% of all of San Jose's goals this year. They've scored like 102 goals, and he's. been and he has like 51 points. Has to be on the Olympic team. No, no, no, no. Okay, that's a decision.

Heart trophy. Yeah. I know it may sound crazy, but like you're in on half your team's goals. I'm sorry. And your team makes the playoff. And they make the playoffs. That's the part that you have to. Okay.

Well, that's fine. Because if they don't, he won't. But if you make the playoffs, I know we're all handing this thing to Nathan McKinnon, but 50% of the goals, man. Okay, anyhow, sorry, finish off for your thought. Yeah, return to the Mac, it hit great for you. Although, wow, you went out on a real island yesterday. Hope you bought your Speedo because he ain't coming back.

Like, wow, what an island you were on yesterday. Well, wins a win. They don't ask how, they just ask how many. Okay. What favorites are you playing today, tap in? No, no, no. What favorites he got today? Lay up, Philly.

What do you got? So, two foot punch. So we went back to John on this one and got his input. Empty net goal, what do you got? He gave us the DFO. It is our channel theme, the DFO, Dorafeyev, Fiala, and O'Reilly. The DFO, Pave, Kevin Fiala and Ryan O'Reilly, all the score. $5 will pay you $185 for tonight.

No freaking Wade, that's awesome. The DFO, the DFO, and Dorofiafieff, shout out to John Banker. Oh, Johnny. Take the rest of the week off, buddy. Put some extra in Johnny's envelope. Put some extra in his envelope this week. Well done.

That's another crowd source, obviously. So is that what you're essentially doing now? That's back from John again, yeah. Yeah. Feed the hot hand, man. Feed the hot hand. I'll take the assist. I'm the guy.

You put up the shot. Keep bringing this guy drinks. No, no, no. Don't stand up. Don't stand up. Don't stand up. No, you just stay here. Keep bringing them drinks.

You just get to sit here and just hit big for us this entire time. Okay, well, very good. I hope you enjoyed the show today. We had a little bit of history in there And we got Brian from the We got Berkey from the airport in St. Martin Generous for this time Man, how'd you like the stare of death

from Berkey a couple of times During that interview I don't know who was doing what This close to a civilian moment Oh dude I thought I told you, you know I should have asked Like who's bugging your Berkey? Ah, some civilian.

We could have got another civilian moment That's me as a bad host That's me not reading the moment That's me not thinking about the clip that is an all-time moment still sue us that some civilian I thought he's going to jump the desk

I don't know maybe there's an element of like he knows that he's in the public space in the airport doing it and he's like I can't snap at this person because I'm the one taking the call yeah life advice don't snap at airports yeah

just really just go along with it just swim the stream just swim the stream yes sir yes ma'am no sir no ma'am just go along with all of it that's now if you're in a crowded restaurant like berkey was in the civilian moment oh no he was in his office he was in his office no that was the pw hl office at uh madameleaf gardens yeah that's right check out the memory that's why that one made sense he was in his own office. Some civilian walks in. Look at this guy. He doesn't know his ass from page six

and he's walking in here trying to tell him. I'm trying to do my job. Here it comes in. I'm trying to write a hit single. He comes in wailing all over playing a tambourine. I'm like, get out of here. Anyhow. Where Berkey is is like as a producer

and I'm sure for you as the host like we're trying to put the best product forth possible and I don't want Berkey to be somewhere loud or bad internet or whatever. But finding out where he is, one of the most exciting parts of Wednesdays, and what was Fridays. Restaurants, closets, offices, his house, the farm, airports, and then, as pointed out here in the chat by Jeffrey,

Burkey at the mall was his favorite. Oh, forgot about that, yeah. Like, where is Berkey? I do like, I'll tell you what, though, part of me, part of me really does like Berkey at home with the big picture of Berkey. Yeah, when the, yes. And because the camera kept... The camera can't figure out which one's in.

That was one of my favorites. So the camera kept gravitating ball. It went back and forth. It was like a metronome going back and forth between fake Berkey and real Berkey. Yeah. That was good, too. So good, man. Where's Berkey today?

I don't know. I don't know. But that was a good one. That was a good one. So thanks to Brian Burke for stopping by the program. Thanks to Devin Dubnick for stopping by the program. To talk about a few things. Minnesota, the goaltending situation, both Pittsburgh and Edmondson, and then his goalie career as well.

And running down all the teams that he played for. And John, no, Willie, thank you for the getting the hockey card. Getting the hockey card there for us. That was good. That was a fun show. Oh, and did I mention I got to talk to Lou today? So your boy's in a really good mood. Lou Nanny.

Before a Lou Lamarillo, there was the OG Lou. Lou Nanny. Who are going to see in Minnesota when we get there. for the world juniors. Stay tuned for those shows. Those will be a lot of fun as well over the holidays. So thanks to our guests. Thanks to everyone in the chat.

Thanks to everyone listening, everybody watching. Thanks to Zach Phillips for producing the program once again today, along with John, who gets a production credit. Will you get a production credit as well? So we're adding up on the producer credits on the program, and that's just fine by me. Talk to you again tomorrow. One o'clock Eastern, right here on the show.

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I turned on the music I do on the music. I do on the bag of music. It's enough, I don't think you sometimes losing. I've been on the days

that we're wrong. Mm, in the dead dark night.