The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Let's Get Excited ft. Greg Wyshynski

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Sometimes you feel like you want to do roll call in the chat. Got some of our usuals in there. Got Small Town Strip Club. You're hearing them right now. Lily Eben Odean on Small Town Strip Club and Whiskey Town. Anybody out there fans of Whiskey Town? Damn they're good. Only like three albums.
Starting point is 00:00:31 So good. Welcome to the program. Glad to have you aboard today. Still waiting for it to happen. I'll be honest with you. I thought by now it would have happened. I would have got that little tickle like, get excited, Jeffy. This is international hockey.
Starting point is 00:00:39 You've always loved this. As a kid, your eyes were opened wide. Ruggy, fancy, and you were always like, I'm going to win. I'm going to win. I'm going to win. I'm going to win. I'm going to win. I'm going to win. I'm going to happened. I would have got that little tickle like get excited Jeffy. This is international hockey You've always loved this as a kid your eyes were opened wide Roggie Vashon Dennis Potfan Bobby Clark Darrell Sittler
Starting point is 00:00:54 Sittler scores on Vladimir Zubala Canada Cup 76 Jeffy international hockey you love this stuff Jeffy Still no, I don't know. I don't think it's that I've fallen out of love for international hockey either. It's just, it's kind of where I'm at Zach Phillips, if that is indeed your real name. It's kind of where I'm at. Still, are you getting warmer to it? Are you getting the soap and warm water feeling now? You getting all excited? Here we go. Jordan Bennington's starting for Canada.
Starting point is 00:01:25 I can't wait. I was holding on to this all day. I started it this morning. I was watching the morning cup of hockey and all of a sudden it was like, you know what? I'm starting to feel it. Maybe it's because I've got bats or maybe it's because I'm hearing it from people in the US who are like, oh, you know I I'm other ego people in the u.s. Who are like Oh, you know big Willie in the chat all the time. You're talking about it. I'm listening to the boys on the morning show and I'm like
Starting point is 00:01:52 You know what? Yeah, I'm in I'm in I want the kid. I wanted to kick the shit out of the u.s. And I'm all the way in like I Kind of care now. Okay, I'm excited tomorrow's gonna come around and I'm like, I'm not missing this game. I've got to watch it. Make no mistake about it. I'm gonna watch all of it. I'm gonna watch every single minute of every single game. I just don't have that international hockey tingle that I normally get.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Maybe the problem is me Zach. Maybe this is an issue for me and my therapist Maybe it's not something that should be hanging out here in front of everybody every day Grossing about how I can't get excited. I can't get excited about international hockey. It's like international hockey impotence I just can't do it anymore doctor. I don't know what it is. The problem is I don't know what's wrong anymore doctor I don't know what it is the problem is I don't know what's wrong it's gonna we're gonna have wish on for like an hour here today and maybe he can poke and prod at you enough to get something fired all right well let's get to that but first we'll get to the the daily outlines daily outlines
Starting point is 00:02:56 presented by our good friends at FanDuel North America's number one sportsbook app provider and partner here on this program as my international hockey therapy continues. I do have an update on the two officials that were assaulted in Seattle over the weekend. I'm going to bring that to you in a couple of moments. I tweeted it out and I have a couple of more things to update as well. Greg Wyshinski for a good friend from ESPN. It is Tuesday and that means MVSW reduux for all you old school MVSWers. Four Nations Therapy, Four Nations Cheer Club, Four Nations Light Some Kind of Fire Under Your Boy Here about this four team international tournament.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Did you see the news about Jordan Bennington? And funny videos. We put this out yesterday. This is after Jamie Benz's eighth goal as Dallas beats the San Jose Sharks on Saturday and it's something that I'm still laughing at. I'll still watch it Zach. I'll still watch Jamie Benz score on a very lazy wrist shot, skate to the bench, no training down the down down the bench nothing and just sit his ass down. I'm still laughing about it I know it's two days in a row here Yeah, but I still find it really funny quick update before we get to wish the Seattle Kraken Will be reaching out if they haven't already to the the two officials the two young officials the 13 and 14 year old who were
Starting point is 00:04:23 assaulted Over the weekend in Seattle. They will be inviting them and their families to a game. It sounds like they're going to do something really special for them. I don't know, let them officiate. That's what one person suggested to me. But it sounds like some good is coming out of this that those two young gentlemen who had the nerve to try to officiate a 12-U house league game. They will be going to a Seattle Kraken game and you know Seattle it's a class organization they'll do something really
Starting point is 00:04:52 special for those kids as well. Not sure about the officials association the NHL official association but I would imagine that they'll be reaching out if they haven't already as well. So Seattle Seattle Kraken, major stick taps. As we say in French, commandie en français, first star, la première étoile today, the Seattle Kraken. Let's bring aboard Greg Wyshinski. Well, we got to wait for Wysh one second. We do? What's he doing? He was just on like a second ago. He just texted me and said. So before the show starts, like he gets all cued up, he's sitting there all cozy, ready to go, ready to spout off and insult people and provide us great clips that get people really angry and then we want to throw to them.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Really angry. So I turned around and there he was, gone. Greg Wyshinski. I even got all dressed up for him too today. Thanks Wyshinski. I knew. Thanks buddy. I've gotten more used to it now like working with you for
Starting point is 00:05:47 as this short period of time here I know when you're gonna like start to throw and then you do right before then I'm like I get a text from wish gotta reconnect real quick like oh no okay so he's just coming back or something will be fine no no no we'll be fine but he's reconnect, no. We'll be fine. But he's reconnecting. He's all vapid. Can I ask you something? He's all vapid. Yeah, shoot.
Starting point is 00:06:10 You don't care about the Four Nations yet. Or not excited about the Four Nations. Again, I'm gonna watch all of it. I'm gonna watch every minute. I'm not gonna miss a second of it. But, meh. Well, I will get there. As I think Wish is reconnecting here. And we can get to him on this one and maybe he has
Starting point is 00:06:27 some thoughts on this as well here, Jeff. But I'm curious, have you looked at these goalie masks and dug into that? They look great. Do these excite you? Yes, yes. Those do. I don't need the tournament. I can just look at the masks.
Starting point is 00:06:43 I can just drive down the 404 and I can get to Young in Front Street and I don't need the tournament. I could just look at the masks. I could just, you know, drive down the 404 and I can get to to Young in Front Street and I can go to the Hockey Hall of Fame and I can see some really cool masks there too. Yeah, fair enough. Like 20 minutes away from me. I can go any time, maybe 30. I can go anytime. I'm gonna try. But yeah, now that I'm excited, I'm going to try to drag you. You're going to try to drag me in? I'm going to try to get in. All right. Like I can go, like I'm excited about the masks. The masks look really good. Masks look good.
Starting point is 00:07:12 I've seen some of the goalie kits. They look good. The nationalistic goalie kits, they look really fantastic. And that's all fine. But like it's a four country, again, like I was saying yesterday, just, you know what I'd be excited about? Canada versus US, five games, go. Yeah. That's what I would be excited about.
Starting point is 00:07:33 He's good? Yeah, he's good. All right. Hey, Wish. What's up? That was not like a connection issue, right? Like, what was it? Like quick bong hit. What's up? That was not like a connection issue, right? Like what was it like?
Starting point is 00:07:45 Quick bong hit. So apparently, apparently my Disney. Whiskey soda. What was it? My Disney corporate overlords have set my browser to occasionally have to be restarted and I had 40 minutes left on the browser before it automatically restarted. So I can either do it right before I hop on or I'm gonna be like mid thought and then it just like kills it.
Starting point is 00:08:08 I don't, I mean, listen, I like you struggled a little bit in getting excited for this tournament, but I gotta admit. Are you there? I gotta admit that hearing Jordan Bennington as a starting goaltender for Canada was like a wheelbarrow full of Cialis being poured down my throat I am I am like a Titan rocket right now thinking about Canadian
Starting point is 00:08:33 goaltending in this tournament Wow he barely has a he barely has enough loose skin to blink right now because Jordan he just found out that Jordan Bennington is the starting netminder for Team Canada against Sweden. Blink to make sure, okay, you can blink so you're not fully erect yet. Let me put you on the couch for a moment. I'll play Dr. Floyd for you. Get me excited about this, doctor. I'm just not there yet. I don't know. So you're not excited because it's a fake tournament, correct? That's the reason why you're not excited? Two things. One, it's a fake tournament. Two? That's the reason why you're not excited? Two things, one, it's a fake tournament.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Two, I mentioned this on the show ad nauseam yesterday. In the spirit of just give the people what they want, you know what I'd be excited about? Yeah. Canada versus US, best of five. Give me that, and I'm, forget it, I got, Stanley Cup, who cares? Like just give me Canada, US, best of five.
Starting point is 00:09:24 I don't disagree with you that for me and you and for everybody listening to the pod, most of the people listening to the pod, that's the most exciting thing that could happen. If you really wanna get us excited about the Olympics, give us five games, three to five games of this generation of young players representing Canada, representing the US,
Starting point is 00:09:48 and going toe to toe. And then you kind of eliminate the, for lack of a better example, USA Finland of it all, which is a game that has to happen in this tournament. And that none of us really know how it will be played, what it will look like, how many people will be in the stands for it. It would get, it would cut to the chase.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Now the good thing about Four Nations is that we're guaranteed to cut to the chase once. Saturday is going to be one of the greatest days in recent hockey history. For us. Well, hang on. Or one of the worst. No, I disagree. Finland and Sweden don't know how to play a game that's not nasty and Sweden. Hang on, or one of the worst. No, I disagree. Finland and Sweden don't know how to play a game that's not nasty and competitive.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I believe that. And the fact that game is on in prime time in Sweden and Finland, even if those guys don't care at all about this tournament, and after talking to some Swedes, I don't think they do. Like they care more about like worlds than this tournament, which is really saying something. But that game's gonna matter
Starting point is 00:10:45 because they know their friends are watching back home. And we obviously know that the USA Canada game is gonna matter because it's gonna be Bell Center, 20,000 Canadian fans waving little flags. They're gonna boo the anthem. The USA kids wanna beat the Canadian kids and vice versa. Crosby, McDavid, the Kachucks, Eichel, they don't know how to play a game
Starting point is 00:11:02 that's not nasty and competitive when it's in this environment. Like that's gonna be worth the price of admission. And then you could take or leave the rest of this event for two weeks. Bill Beck in the chat with the early candidate for line of the chat today. Greg is planning on shampooing a family of baby bears. That's true.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Call Werner Herzog, I'm gonna be grizzly man. Yeah, oh man, one of my favorite documentaries. That's true. Call Werner Herzog. I'm gonna be Grizzly Man. Yeah. Oh man, one of my favorite documentaries. Oh, oh, the most, one of the most psycho documentaries I've ever seen in my life. Shout out Timothy Treadwell. I know the late, spoiler, the late Timothy Treadwell. Spoiler, he's hanging out with a lot of grizzly bears. Spoiler, he doesn't make it to the end of the documentary.
Starting point is 00:11:45 No, but here's the thing. You've gotta be excited about Saturday, right? I'm interested in Saturday. You're interested. No, because I just can't get excited. You think that game's not gonna be competitive? No, I think it'll be a competitive game. Trust me, by the time Saturday rolls around, I'll probably be into this.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Like, I'm gonna watch every... it's not like, oh, I'm gonna tune out, like, oh, Canada, Sweden, like, I'm not gonna... Of course I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch all of it. Like, I'm not gonna miss a single minute of this tournament. But this isn't... I can't compare this to any of the old Canada Cups, World Cups, Olympics, any of it. And you know, I'll tell you what, like the kind of the Malays for me kind of started in 2016. Well, really, there have been a couple, like some real bummer moments in international hockey. And the biggest bummer moment was 2004. Like that was the biggest bummer tournament in the history of international hockey. You know why, Greg?
Starting point is 00:12:45 And I'm going to tell you why. Because we all knew 24 hours after that tournament ended, what was going to happen? NHL players were getting locked out. They went from Canada wins and then 24 hours later, there's Gary Batman at the podium announcing a lockout, which ended up scrubbing a season and it was like this is the last hockey we're gonna see for a long time here like we all know this one was gonna be a lengthy lengthy lockout so that was a bummer and then 2016 was it was really interesting because it gave us Team North America which was super cool and that game and I was so glad that I was in the stands.
Starting point is 00:13:27 Actually, you know who I was sitting next to watching that North America-Sweden game, which in this generation is one of the best hockey games ever, Cynics at Tallardello. Just on a random, it's like a Tuesday afternoon, Wednesday after, whenever it was, an afternoon game. And I was working at doing Facebook live shows with Colby Armstrong and Ryan Whitney, and I was just like, okay, I got some time.
Starting point is 00:13:46 I'm going to watch North America in Sweden, which was maybe the best. Well, I shouldn't say maybe it was the best game of the tournament. It was phenomenal. Great, great hockey. It was a, no, it was a low bar. But if you put that, that exact game in any international tournament, Greg, aren't you saying like, that's a tremendous game. It's a phenomenal game. But it was also tremendous because it was the chance to see all those U-23 kids together. They all cared. And so this is this is the part that has me excited. Like, I'm genuinely excited to see McDavid on Team Canada and McCarr on Team Canada. We've not seen it before. I'm generally excited to see Michael Matthews, the Kachucks, Jack Hughes, all these guys
Starting point is 00:14:28 represent the US for the first time in their careers in a best-of-best tournament. We really mean an NHL-endorsed tournament, right, is what we kind of mean. So to see that, remember the old itch the All-star game used to scratch, dude, you know, where the joy of the all-star game was, are you telling me that Wayne Gretzky will skate in the same game on the same side as Jeremy Roenick? That kind of thing used to be the reason you watched. And that was kind of itch that this will scratch for me. I just I want to see it first. I need to see it first. I need to see it first. I need to see it again. Like the runway for this one is not there for me this time around.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Maybe again, like I was saying off the top of the show, this is all me. Am I just becoming like old jaded grumpy guy about international hockey? Because this is my favorite love. Like international hockey is like my favorite thing in the world. But I love seeing, like I love it when the NHL goes overseas to see how that culture treats hockey, how that country treats hockey. You get in the, the, the, the trolley tracks here in North America of this is the way we present hockey.
Starting point is 00:15:39 This is the way we play hockey. This is how the fans behave. This is the merchandise. This is, this is all of it that goes, this is the commentary, etc. And then you go and you see hockey in Europe and you're like, well, there are other ways to enjoy and consume and present this wonderful sport. Like I still love international hockey. It's just this one isn't there at all for me. Again, it may all change tomorrow when Canada faces off against Sweden and loses four to three and
Starting point is 00:16:09 everybody gets nervous. Right? And Biddington's pulled in the first. Someone's injured. Someone's injured. Oh god, here we go. But you know what, I was having this conversation with someone yesterday that for Team Canada, I was mentioning something on the show yesterday.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Let me do anything about this one. I believe between Canada and the United States, whoever loses this tournament actually wins. And here's why. Okay. Hang on. Work with me on this one. Work with me on this one. And trust me, hang on. And Canada just went through this with the juniors.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Define lose, though. Losing the championship or not make the championship? Either way. Either way. Don't win. There's going to be three losers here. Okay? Okay. If Canada doesn't win, the United States doesn't win, they actually win. And here's why.
Starting point is 00:17:13 The real prize is the Olympics. The real prize is what happens next year. Okay? That's the real prize. And I've seen it too many times and I've seen it too many times You've seen it too many times Canada gets ridiculed for it too many times most recently five minutes ago on Ottawa the world juniors They get lulled into making really bad
Starting point is 00:17:46 emotional decisions based on things like loyalty to the program when it comes to selecting their team. If Canada destroys this tournament, is there not gonna be an element of, well even though Brad Marchand is 38 years old, you know, he was really good at the Four Nations and you sort of have seen it before. Hockey Canada can get lulled into making decisions based on well they won last time let's keep the band together with the same philosophy and not worry about who's actually playing well and what might work in the Olympics because these guys just won the Four Nations face-off. Shout out to Doughty. Yeah. Again, yeah, remember like, oh, Drew, like, awesome Vancouver 2010. He was like the seventh defense, but next thing you know, he's like,
Starting point is 00:18:31 or anchoring our power play. Like, yes, I know, but like this has been a long time here now and might be time to say goodbye to some of these guys. And I think it's a lot easier to do it. If your eyes on the prize for the Olympics Olympics if Canada doesn't do well at this tournament What do you think of that? I? think two things first of all The unsaid thing here for you, and it's something that I always have to point out as the American speaking on Canadian media Is that essentially what you're doing is setting up another bullshit Canadian underdog story.
Starting point is 00:19:11 That's why Vancouver felt so good is because you guys lost in the prelims to the US. And so then when you won, it wasn't just winning the gold medal on home ice. It was also overcoming the odds. You guys love it when you can pretend to be the underdog. And this would just help reestablish that. Reestablish, you know, you guys against the evil empire of the US.
Starting point is 00:19:37 It's like you were against the evil empire of the Soviets and all this other nonsense. I don't know. No, no, no. I don't look at it like that. You guys love being the underdog, even though you have the greatest hockey talent in the world every single tournament. You see, this is where I differ and this is what makes me horribly unpopular amongst a lot of people. Because I think what you're talking about is 1972, right? And Canada setting it's, oh, it's a great comeback against the evil empire and, oh, look at these guys.
Starting point is 00:20:03 What did they feed? Oh, it's the Soviet training. They vanished to the black sea for two months and they come back and you can't even lift up their sticks. Hand out the Dixie cups. We don't like all that crap, right? So, so I'm of the, I'm of the belief that when it came to 1972, Canada thinks the most important game was game eight when Henderson scored. I think the most important game in that tournament was game number one at the forum when the
Starting point is 00:20:34 Soviets dismantled Canada and all of a sudden everything changed. Everything that's been like that moment in the forum in Montreal, game one, when Canada lost, there were a lot of people that maintained and I'm one of them. That was the actual birth of international hockey. Because there was always that idea that, oh well, we don't send the pros to the world championships, oh we don't send the NHLers, they are so much for far superior. When Canada lost in game one, everything changed. Everything changed and that began true international hockey. And what happened afterwards? There was Canada Cup 76 and that was a really successful turn and etc. etc. And we can go on and then the rise of the World Junior Hockey Championships and in through now and there's been, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:25 come here, go away, come here, go away with the Olympics. But hopefully that can, we can have a robust international schedule, which is not just Olympic participation, but also a World Cup of Hockey every four years as well. So, you know, you get your two years of international and your two years of All-Star and those year breaks every year for the guys.
Starting point is 00:21:45 I just, I don't look at it as if I need my country to set up, um, to set up this Davian Goliath type metaphor. I really don't. Because at the end of it, I don't care. Like, I'm a Canadian that's happy that other countries are really good. Because my entire life, my entire life, I've always said, like, this is such a great game. Why don't other countries understand that? And now they're under other countries understand that specifically the United States and they're getting better than Canadians at it. All of a sudden, my country said, whoa, whoa, whoa, we wanted you to like this
Starting point is 00:22:20 and get good at it, but not so good that you would beat us. I've always found that really annoying. We've exported, helped export this wonderful game. Americans have paid attention, love it and are getting better at it, if not already better at it than we are. So I don't care about Canada winning or anybody winning. I just care about the game getting more popular and more people picking up sticks. I'm intrigued to see what happens if the US wins because you know we've worn the underdog uniform since 1980 maybe even before that. It's been our nature to believe that we enter these tournaments.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Congratulations you beat up a bunch of hungover Russians. Well done, kids. And we design our teams like in Sochi to try to beat Canada one nothing because we simply could not, could not stand toe to toe with the Canadian offensive machine. We had to bring Ryan Callahan to the Olympics. We had to do all of these things because we inherently couldn't be as good as Canada or the Soviets.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Oh, we are. And so I'm intrigued to see what happens if the US wins this tournament. I'm intrigued to see what happens if they beat Canada in Bell Center and then they end up winning what was a very dirty trophy. I don't know why they couldn't shine that bad boy up before CJ took a picture of it before. You can find it on Twitter. It's very, it's very, I touched the bathroom mirror too many times. And I'm intrigued to see what that is. Is there swagger
Starting point is 00:24:01 inherent to American hockey? Because there's swagger inherent to America and World Juniors now. Like we don't want to believe that we don't belong. We go to World Juniors expecting to win as we've done three out of five times. So if they run through this tournament and it's Eichel and Matthews and the Kachaks and Hughes and all these guys playing to their abilities and skating the Canadians out of the rink and winning the gold medal of the rink and winning the gold medal. What does that mean psychologically to 2026?
Starting point is 00:24:30 Does that mean we no longer enter the Olympics thinking, well, we've got to uphold the virtues of 1980 and somehow overcome the odds? Or do we walk into the Italian Olympics with the theme song from Shaft playing in our minds? Because that's how much swagger we have at this point. Ooh, that's really good. Can I ask you a frivolous question? Always. Cup or plate?
Starting point is 00:25:03 What do you prefer as an award? When it comes to hockey, we award things that we put on the dinner table, either cups or plates. I don't know what it is about hockey, but it's a cup that you win at the end of the year at the NHL. Now, you know, the world juniors is a cup. I like, personally, I miss the era of plates, whether to hand out the
Starting point is 00:25:26 championship plate. Do you have a preference handing out a cup or a plate? Should your trophy be something you drink from or eat off of? I can't believe you didn't include paperweight from the Fortress of Solitude gift drop like we had at the World Cup. Why wasn't that one of the choices? You know what? Paperweight was the 2004 one as well. I remember watching Mario look at that thing and like, I have to, I have to hold this. What do I, what do I smoke out of it?
Starting point is 00:25:56 What is this thing? I've always found it interesting the way that hockey's all just about eating and drinking. We celebrate it with our awards. Here's a plate. I'll be honest. Here's a plate. Here's a cup. I'll be honest with you, I'm a cup guy. I actually think the only plate in sports that I really like is Wimbledon.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Wimbledon? Like to see someone win at Wimbledon and then hold up the big plate is always one of my favorite things. I always think of like Serena holding up the big plate. But give me a cup all the time in hockey. I mean, we're a drinking sport. There it is.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Again, is it just the way the metal is or whatever? Because that thing looks dirty. Yeah. It looks like one of your uncles all bowling trophies in the back of the living room. I don't know what's going on here with the trophy. Where's that gonna go in the Hall of Fame Resource Center? Cause could you pop that one up there one more time, Zach,
Starting point is 00:26:41 for all of our viewers on YouTube? That's a one and done. Like that trophy is made for one event. There's not gonna be like multiple- It literally has the year on the bottom, yeah. Like this is the only time you're gonna do this. And maybe that's part of why I'm just not there yet. Cause I just know that there's not gonna,
Starting point is 00:26:59 this isn't like, this isn't gonna be on any calendar. There's not gonna be another four nations face off. And even the NHL was, like, I gotta give them credit because even the NHL was like, ah, we had to do something. You know, it's like, remember when Crosby was beacons about the Olympics, like, ah, give the baby his bottle. Like, we gotta do something here. We gotta do some kind of something.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Okay, here's four nations face off. Like that's gonna go from whoever wins it to the Hockey Hall of Fame Resource Center, not the Hall of Fame. Well, it might be up for a little bit in the Hall of Fame. And then it's gonna stick it in the Resource Center and it's gonna sit there gathering dust. And it's gonna be a collector's item.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Yeah, but they get gold, they get gold medals too, which is pretty cool. Every young hockey player likes a gold medal. Do you think part of your issue with this, and by the way, I just want to say before I say this, I respect that you're honest with your, with your feelings. I think we have some colleagues that are constantly begging for more international hockey. They get this tournament and they treat the thing like it's the Olympics. It's not they're they're they're giving it import and coverage that goes beyond
Starting point is 00:28:08 What it actually is hang on which is the midseason replacement for the all-star game that has at least a modicum more relevance How many tweets did you see today announcing Jordan Bennington? starting for team Canada This is what I'm talking about And also lines of practice and everything. I mean, it's just, you know, it's too much. But listen, I will say, so that's, I want to, I want to celebrate your contrarianism to that regard.
Starting point is 00:28:36 I'm not being contrarian. I'm honestly, I feel like this way legitimate. Like there are some moments in your career where you take a adversarial stance on an issue just because it's going to produce good conversation. But no, really, I'm just not there. I'm just not there. No, no, no, we've both done it. Do you think part of the problem is that you've gotten to see, you've gotten to see the movie after reading all the spoilers? Like, you know why this tournament exists. It exists. They couldn't find a way to put Russia in a world cuppy thing because then Sweden and Finland wouldn't participate.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Do you feel like you know too much about history of how we got here to really respect this as anything other than a real gimmicky affair? I don't know that I've thought about it that much. I don't know that I've actually tried to intellectualize why I've done this. This is just, I'm just, I'm just spilling. I'm just like on this show, I'm just like, cause I just like, I'm at a point in my career where I just don't care. So it's like, this is how I feel about things. This is how I feel like no BS. Like this is, I just, I can't.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Oh, and you were always so demure and reserved in your opinions. No, but no, but like you weren't for a rights holder. It's gotta be like, all right, everybody, here we go. This is the Olympic. I can't, I can't, I can't do it. I can't do it. Anyhow, you know, we like, alright everybody, here we go, this is the Olympic. I can't, I can't do it. I can't do it. Anyhow, you know, we're spending a lot on this.
Starting point is 00:29:50 We're spending a lot. Can I just say something though? Yeah. Can I just say something though? I think where I am, I'll put a bow around it. Like, I'm much more optimistic than you are that this is gonna be good. I think Saturday is gonna be great. Like, I think we're gonna be talking about Saturday and Saturday night for a very long time. And then if they, we have the good fortune of
Starting point is 00:30:08 seeing the USA and Canada again in Boston for the championship, oh, Katie bar the door, we're going to have a hell of a good time. Can we put that in Philly by the way? Yeah, if, just can we call it one off? Can we just, just for the nastiness factor, Boston's nasty, but if you want like the nasty factor, ratchet it up. If that's the final, can we have it in Philadelphia? Sure, or put it in Buffalo so we can have a split house. How dope would that be? Uh, we're all agree with you as this. I have a real, I can't get over calling it a best on best tournament. Like I'm going to try to refer to this thing going on going forward as an NHL tournament because best on best without the Russians,
Starting point is 00:30:50 without Pasternak, without Drisital, without the Swiss. That's hard, man. It's hard to really like kayfabe a best on best. The first time we're seeing Austin Matthews in a best on best Although Nikita Kuturov isn't there like it's coming. Is this is part of me that can't do it Is this that is this the part of you that's like I can't go along with? WrestleMania 3. Oh look at Andre finally got body slammed when a quick check on YouTube
Starting point is 00:31:22 Show whether it's Harley Race or Kinect or whomever. Take your pick. This is the part of me, this is three degrees away from the part of me that's like, can you really call it the World Series if no teams from Japan are in it? Like there's a part of me that believes that too. Hang on, is this true that the reason it's called the World Series is because it was originally sponsored by the World Newspaper out of Chicago, and even though that newspaper no longer exists, maybe it's because of sports arrogance, they just kept the
Starting point is 00:31:56 term the World Series, but it really was a sponsorship from the World Newspaper. Is that true? I don't know, I always assumed it was American hubris, and speaking of that, we talked about in the show about the political undercurrent for this tournament and how it's very hard for me to do the usual Greg Wyshinski is a jingoistic patriot act. And I know when real world events have made it very difficult. That being said, I have again, this show is nothing if not. Greggy and Jeff are very honest with everybody. And I will be honest with you, there was a moment this morning,
Starting point is 00:32:29 and I don't want it to ever happen again, but there was a moment this morning when I briefly thought to myself, if they did become the 51st state, that means we'd have access to McDavid, McCarr, and McKinnon in perpetuity. And no one would ever beat us at anything. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:49 And that was, I shut it off. I don't wanna think that way because it would be horrible and I hate everything that's happening right now. But there was a part of me that briefly thought McDavid and Kajux, that'd be something, wouldn't it? Weird on this one too, is we all know what's going to happen when the U.S. Anthem is played. Oh yes, we do. But the dynamic is like, and I can just speak for myself. Like I understand it. I think we all do, but it's not as if bluntly,
Starting point is 00:33:29 it's not as if Canadians hate Americans or hate America. No, right? Like at all. Like I've spent countless hours lately, obviously talking to my American friends and there's been a whole lot of like, oh I can't believe this. Like and on both sides. It's very embarrassing. It's awful and I know what's gonna happen on Saturday, but I don't think, like it's a weird dynamic because I don't think that
Starting point is 00:33:59 anyone's just venting on this as like, now all of a sudden I hate my buddy Greg in New York like no I don't. You don't. Right? Like it's not like that. It's about one very specific issue and I just yeah I just hope that that doesn't get turned into something other than what it is. Put it this way it's a very Canadian way it's a very Canadian way to feel and I understand that like my Canadian is showing here I don't want him. I don't want like my American friends to think that this is our comment on them This is about a very specific issue That not all of our friends are lined up in agreement with. I think you know what I'm trying to say here, Greg.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Like I don't, I just don't want it to be, I just don't want it to turn into something that it's not. And this isn't, well now Canadians hate Americans because that's not true. It's about one very specific thing that has nothing to do with that. Like, I hope not. I hope not. I hope it doesn't. But it will though.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Like it, I mean, that's just kind of how it works, right? It's building up the adversarial relationship through certain media outlets. I mean, that's just how it is. Look, I think Americans by and large, for the most part, kind of see this thing as, you know, having that friend you've got to apologize for. You know, everybody's got that friend. You kind of like this thing as having that friend you've got to apologize for. Everybody's got that friend. You kind of walk out of the bar. Oh, he's here. The friend has already staggered back out to the pickup truck. And you turn around to the bartender and you're just like, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:35:38 We don't. We have to. We do this a lot now. This is something that just happens. And here's 20 bucks for the glass that he broke and, you know, and we kind of just are living our lives knowing that there's somebody in our lives that is breaking a lot of glasses and ruining a lot of experiences at bars for us right now, if you know what I'm saying. So that's kind of how we're going through life right now.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Okay, let's park the World Cup stuff or World Cup, Four Nation stuff right now. Anything else you want to add to this one? Because we've done a lot on something that I'm not really that interested in. But it's good to talk it, it's good for me to talk it out. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Again, I will watch everything. I just, meh.
Starting point is 00:36:19 I know, of course we will all. I feel really, I feel kind of shocked by how many guys are playing in it, to be honest with you. Like there are certain players that are. Did you think it was gonna be a domino after Alex Patrangelo? He did. I thought it was gonna be, or around the Queen Hughes thing.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Like I really thought there'd be more guys taking the break. Okay, here's a question. And with the NHL not having there be any punishment for opting out, I really thought more players would. But maybe it's indicative of how excited they are. Oh, there is one thing I wanted to say, which is that if you are looking for this to be
Starting point is 00:36:53 an appetizer to 2026, you have to acknowledge that there is something on the line for like half the roster for the U.S. and Canada, which is that, you know, we know who is going to be there. But there's also a lot of players that are playing for their spots. Seth Jarvis is playing for a spot. And some of the guys that are in the bottom six in the US are playing for a spot in the Olympics because they're looking over their shoulder and seeing Clayton Keller and Tage Thompson and Cole Caulfield and a bunch of other guys that didn't make the cut ready to hop in if they don't perform. So I do think that there
Starting point is 00:37:22 is something interesting about this tournament vis-a-vis what we'll see in 2026 if they don't perform. So I do think that there is something interesting about this tournament vis-a-vis what we'll see in 2026. I don't know how much the USA brain trust, for example, will look at this and say, well, this guy went over in three games and we obviously can't have him on the Olympic team or whatever. But I do think that these guys are approaching it
Starting point is 00:37:42 as in some cases, like Brock Nelson, for example, like this is my audition to make sure that they know that they I'm important to a to a to a win in in Italy. If this was the Olympics and not the four nations are Quinn Hughes and Alex Patrangelo playing yes, Quinn Quinn Hughes is playing for the Canucks this week if they were Canucks. Rick Tuckett said as much. Yeah. I mean, Rick Tuckett said as much.
Starting point is 00:38:09 Okay. So yeah, I mean, that's the thing. So, um, Jay Rock. So Jeff Hates International play. Oh my God, you don't know me at all. Like I love international hockey. It's like, it's my first love. Um, but good.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Um, okay. A few things. Okay, a few things. A little bit, the sounds of my youth died. Can I tell you about Paul Morris? Please. So Paul Morris was the voice of Maple Leaf Gardens. I don't know if you have like these attractions to like voices from your past. I've told you before about my love for Ted Darling,
Starting point is 00:38:43 who I will always, with all due respect to the late Rick Jenneret and Dan Dunleavy, who I think is a very underrated play caller. The voice to me of the Buffalo Sabres is always Ted Darling. That's the one I grew up on. And the voice that I grew up on going to Maple Leaf Gardens was Paul Morris, who passed away yesterday. It's like the voices, I don't know why,
Starting point is 00:39:02 I don't even know that I have a point here, other than I just want to make mention that Paul Morris and anyone that went to Maple Leaf Gardens, he had like a very measured tone. It didn't matter what happened He wasn't rising there with the audience or falling with the audience on a sad moment It was that old school very much my voice can't editorialize Which is gone now, right? Like everything and I understand why, like everything is like editorialize, editorialize with your voice, raise and lower. Paul Morris was just that one constant voice, which actually made big moments bigger. Because when the place would go nuts, he wouldn't rise to it to add a log to the fire.
Starting point is 00:39:44 The place would rise to a level, like Gilmore scores the wraparound goal and the place goes nuts, but the announcement is here. The announcement is much lower and much more measured and not editorial, and that makes the reaction that much more pronounced. That's missed now in the NHL. I just wanna make mention of Paul Moore's passing away. That's all, a voice ofL. I just want to make mention of Paul Morris passing away.
Starting point is 00:40:05 That's all. A voice of my youth, Craig. Voice of my youth. The voice of my youth was the opposite of that. It was shot by Crosby, save Brunard, rebound, Malkin, save Brunard, waffle, farted away and play has stopped. No, but that's a play. No, but that's Doc,. But that's Doc, he's the play-by-play voice. I'm talking about the in-house announcer, Paul Morris. Like, Paul was like, goal scored by number 27, Darrell Sittler assists number 21, Boria Salome. Like that was- You're saying less about editorial than him being,
Starting point is 00:40:36 having like the fact that announcers are all hype people now inside of the arena. They're part of the entertainment. They're part of the entertainment. They're part of the entertainment. And I get it. They're part of hockey operations. That of the I get it the part of operation That's what people operate. That's what people want and that's cool. I just think that yeah, there's there's still room in my hockey world for the
Starting point is 00:40:53 right down the middle non editorializing Announce the goal I kind of I kind of like would be curious to see what that would sound like in the modern NHL So do I. Having a PA announcer who when there's a power play simply says, it's now time for a power play. Yes, yes. 100%. It's time for the energy.com power play.
Starting point is 00:41:20 Yes, 100%. I do want to hear that. I do miss it. I understand where, you know, we all understand how the game is presented now and everything's part of the entertainment and get the crowd revved and all that kind of stuff. But I do want to hear what that would sound like in today's day and age. Because you go back and listen, like it really, more than anything else, it really pronounces how big a moment is by underselling it with the goal announcement, because the crowd just carries it. You just allow the crowd to carry it. You don't be part of the river going downstream. You just let that crowd carry it.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Anyway, Paul Maurice has passed away. Paul Morris, rather. Paul Maurice, no, Paul Maurice still very much alive. I just killed Paul Maurice. Sorry, Paul, apologize. Sorry about that, buddy. Paul Morris. Morris Paul Maurice that's speaking for 45 minutes straight about how someone said he died Quick someone tweet that America now sing on the sheet. Can you my quiz for you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, please We're just sort of rambling along today, by the way, on the program, everybody here.
Starting point is 00:42:26 So, did you see who retired? I want to let everyone know that one of us tried to be organized. I asked Zach, hey, is there a rundown? And then both Zach and Merrick laughed at me. They laughed at me. They physically guffawed at me for
Starting point is 00:42:42 inferring that there should be some level of organization for this show. No. SpinFrog, by the way, thanks for the heart attack, Jeff. Spin. I was kidding. I just stepped on my tongue. I just bought a new tongue yesterday and I'm breaking it in with Greg. Give me, got me a little slack here. Okay. So I did prepare something. I've prepared something, Greg. Justify your paycheck, Merrick. So did you see who passed away?
Starting point is 00:43:11 Did you see who retired yesterday? Who? Oh, Louie Erickson. Yeah, I'm glad you got excited. Yeah. So why do we always talk about Louie Erickson? Louie Erickson is the greatest example. So Louie Erickson? Louie Erickson is the greatest example.
Starting point is 00:43:25 So, Louie Erickson, for about eight years straight, was the most underrated player in the NHL. And Merrick and I would always be like, how many years does it take before you're rated? At the very least rated. Not overrated, just rated. Like, by year five of of winning most underrated players At that point correct, it's great. It's so good So Louie Erickson Louie Erickson retires
Starting point is 00:43:56 Louie Erickson played 1050 NHL games Okay, it's a really good player and concussions caught up to him.. Eventually he was a sort of shell of himself by time he got to Vancouver. Uh, wonderful player with the Dallas stars part of the Tyler Sagan trade. I thought he played really well in Boston too. Um, until the conkeys and then slowly, but surely year after year, it just wasn't there for Louie Erickson, but he scored 613 points in his career. He was part of the 2003 draft. Maybe not the best draft of all time but top five. Top five draft of all time 2003. What'd you say? Make everybody got players? Okay I'm gonna
Starting point is 00:44:38 give you some... Except for one. What's that? Except for one, isn't that? Oh yeah, was that Dylan McElrath? No, not Dylan McElrath. No, no, no, Hugh Jessamyn. Huge specimen, that's right. Was that 2003? Yeah, huge specimen, yeah. Huge specimen, yes. Ranges, ranges.
Starting point is 00:44:58 So I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna give you a player's name from the 2003 draft. Just a few, just a little bit of spice on the show today. So, did this player score more points than Louis Erickson? Louis had 613, you said? Correct. Okay. Did this player have more or less points than Louis Erickson?
Starting point is 00:45:24 Starting with Ryan Kessler. Ooh. He had, he, I'm gonna say less. You are correct. Yeah, injuries. Less points, Kessler has 573 and played 50 less games. That's good. Yeah, injuries.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Probably had more points than in the playoffs though. My God, Kessler was such a warrior in the playoffs. Okay, Dustin Brown. More points or less points than Louie Eriksen? Had to be more points. He had first line minutes with Kopitar. Gonna go more points. Dustin Brown, more points Dustin Brown more points
Starting point is 00:46:07 712 almost exactly a hundred more points. Well, you done you don't know the statue of the man if he had fewer points than That's the bar in Los Angeles. Did he have more points to Louie Erickson? Give that man a frickin statue Shay Weber. Oh Let's see defenseman but a power play specialist. I'll say, I'll say fewer points. You're right. You're three for three on this one. You're like me last week with Ovechkin.
Starting point is 00:46:38 I, I, I study the- You know you're Louie Erikson. I study the teachings of Louie Erikson. The way of Lou. The way of Lou. The way of Lou. The way of Lou. The way of Lou. Okay, Ryan Suter. Speaking of Shea Weber's old partner with Nashville,
Starting point is 00:46:51 Ryan Suter. Yeah, and he looks a lesser offensive defenseman than Weber, played for a really long time. Like more than Weber. Still playing. 6'13, I think he might, I think he got over the hump. Like, more than Weber. Still playing. 613... I... I think he might... I think he got over the hump. I think... I'm gonna say more than Ericsson.
Starting point is 00:47:10 You're amazing. This is one of your best performances. Is that right? Yeah, you're 4 for 4. Oh, brilliant. I'm gonna give you two more. How long is his total? What's his total?
Starting point is 00:47:18 So far, Ryan Suter is at 691 points. Yeah, that's... He's a compiler. I mean, let's be honest. Well, I mean, he's a compiler. I mean, let's be honest. Well, I mean, yeah, 1500 games. Yeah. That's a lot of games, dude. That's a lot of games, man. I like hockey, but I don't like hockey that much. 1500 games. Holy smokes, jeez. What games can you play, bud?
Starting point is 00:47:39 Jeff hates hockey and international hockey. Jeff just hates everything today. Oh man. Okay. David Backus. Oh wow. All right. Had some decent offensive years for St. Louis.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Sure did. Did not have the longevity thing and it wasn't really good early on offensively. So I'm gonna say less than. You're right. You're five for five. Okay, one more. Yeah. One. So I'm gonna say less than you're right. You're five for five Okay, one more. Yeah one more. I'm gonna make this a good one. I'm gonna make this a good one. Oh I go
Starting point is 00:48:13 Mike Richards All right, it's top line minutes in Philly less than top line minutes in LA 613 Mike Richards, injuries, some good years. I'm gonna say more than. Less than. Oh, you were right there. Ah, damn it. You were building the case to say less.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Yeah, I thought me. Why did you do that? Hang on, wait, hang on. Let's get a, let's get a, hang on. Let's get a peek. Open up your skull for a second. You just built the case for why he was going to have less and then completely doubted yourself and said more. What's going up with your mind tank? I thought that maybe he had some really good offensive years in Philly before he went to the Philippines. He did. But you built the case properly and then you totally didn't believe yourself.
Starting point is 00:49:07 You know, but putting me on the couch, like is there anything you wanna share with the group now, Greg? You know what it's like, it's like Merrick, it's like driving all the way to the Canadian border and then you just get stopped because you have something in your car. That's how that whole quiz felt like.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Is that how that all works out? Well, you were close. You were close. You were right there. And by the way, do you know who the leading score from that 2003 draft is in that 2003 NHL draft? One of the best drafts of all time. Eric Stahl, Patrice Bergeron, Ryan Getslap,
Starting point is 00:49:39 Corey Perry, Zachary. It has to be Stahl, right? He's got more points than Getslaff, right? He does. He's not number one. Who has more than both of them? Joe Pavelski, seventh round. Yeah, that'll do it.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Joe Pavelski. I remember that draft. Remember we looked at that draft and like, man, this is gonna be like the best draft class of all time, like all these Hall of Famers and blah, blah, blah. Joe seventh round Pavelski, who finishes with 1068 points. San Jose Sharks never recovered for letting him go. That's a man that'll be watching the four nations face off.
Starting point is 00:50:15 Let me tell you what, Joe Pavelski. That is a cut him and he bleeds red, white and blue. Okay. A couple of more things before we wrap things up here with you, Greg Wyshinski, and we get on with our day. Did you see, what did I want to get to with you here today? I know what I wanted to get to with you today. Did you see the incident in Seattle with the two young officials on the weekend?
Starting point is 00:50:47 Yeah, it was terrible. And I missed your update that the Kraken's gonna try to do something for them and their family. They're gonna at least take them to a game and they're gonna do what's described to me as something special for the kids 13 and 14 years old look man like just the whole thing is disgusting the whole thing is gross I'm not sure if you read the police report about what his the alleged assailants you know reason for for hitting the ice was but it's it's completely ridiculous yeah one
Starting point is 00:51:24 of the things that, one of the things, and maybe I'm just like sensitive to this because I have kids playing minor hockey, youth hockey. One of the things that I've always believed was in order to get better officials, you need to create an environment where people actually want to do this. This is the opposite of that.
Starting point is 00:51:43 Like this is one of those moments that like sends the chill through every parent when their kid comes up to them and says, I want to be a referee. And as a parent, you say to yourself, I don't want my kids subjected to this. Like not a fricking chance. No way. It's like how Canadians feel about when their kid comes up to them and says, I want to play net. I want to go like that's part of the problem that we have here in Canada is because, you
Starting point is 00:52:04 know, our parents are to blame for bad Canadian goaltending, but I digress. So I think it should be mandatory that as part of your registration for youth hockey, that twice, maybe three times a game, your son or daughter have to officiate a game at a lower level. Just so they can get a sense of what it's like to do it and moreover so parents can sit in the stands while their kid officiates a game and listens to all the other parents talk about their kid. Good idea, bad idea. It's a great idea because I actually think that could probably help. It gives you a better understanding of what these guys do and what these officials do, what they go through. I also, again, like you have through the years have seen the numbers drop at all levels of hockey for people that want to become officials. A lot of it has to do with the abuse and having to deal with all this stuff for little to
Starting point is 00:53:01 no compensation. Obviously like there's a lot of emotions that are tied up in seeing a video like that, but that was one of them was, oh, this is why we're struggling. This is why official associations are, have been sounding the alarm for multiple seasons now on how they can get more people involved because they're being scared away by the behavior
Starting point is 00:53:22 of psychotic parents at different levels of hockey. You know, one of the things, Dave Jackson was on, I love Dave, you love Dave, like he's being rules analyst. He's fantastic. One of the things that he brought up was that was really interesting as well is, and I never really consider this, but of course, and now I'm gonna keep it in the front of my mind
Starting point is 00:53:42 when I go to my kids' games. You know, these officials are there without a supervisor. There's no supervisors at these games that try to help the officials, protect the officials, encourage the, like none of it. It's like the end of the game, they just go to their, just go to the ref's room and that's it.
Starting point is 00:53:58 Like there's, and I know this would be an added cost and parents, I'm a hockey parent, here's added costs and goes like, oh, we already paid too much for hockey. But we're at a place now where we just had a 13 and a 14 year old assaulted on the ice. And I'm thinking to myself, like, I'll pay the added expense to make sure that there's supervision for officials. Like, again, like, I think a lot of this can be done in concert between hockey Canada and USA hockey,
Starting point is 00:54:26 whether it's like the program that I mentioned off the top here with you about encouraging, not encouraging, but essentially forcing kids to officiate or try, you know, try to work the lines for a game to see, can see how difficult it is. I think it's a moment where both hockey Canada and USA hockey can get together and say look we got a real problem here With officials in volume and in quality. Let's try to work together to make sure that there's an environment We're qualified people really want to do this and there's a road where they can do this and not get abused and not Assaulted on the ice and not followed into the parking lot and not chased home by crazy parents Is there a certain amount of self-policing that can happen
Starting point is 00:55:05 too with with with parents involved? There is. There is. You know what? There is. There is. And I'll tell you what, you know what? It can be done by the coaches. And the one thing the coaches can decide whether a player is on the team or off the team and can also decide when a player plays or doesn't play. Yeah. I think that there should be there again, like you hate to like the kids are going to suffer for the actions of parents. I know what you're saying, but that's the only way the parents are going to understand. Coaches are going to, first of all, I like it when I see officials give a team a penalty based on the behavior in the stands. I've seen that plenty of times. I like it when I see officials give a team a penalty based on the behavior in the stands. I've seen that plenty of times.
Starting point is 00:55:48 I like it. It's a great way to curb the abuse. But I do think that parents or coaches should be able to say like, we want you to leave or you're not allowed to come to the game. Like to two parents. And if you come to the game, your kid's not playing. Harsh. But yeah, we are.
Starting point is 00:56:04 But that's how you have to communicate. If you have somebody who misguidedly believes what they're doing is for the betterment of their kid or their kid's team, and it's not, and it's abusive and horrible, well, the only language they're going to understand is here is how your behavior is costing your kid and costing their team. And it's harsh, and it sucks, and it
Starting point is 00:56:24 puts the kids in a really terrible situation because of their parents. But at the end of the day, that's a tough love you need sometimes with these people. That's the only thing they'll understand. Don't disagree. On that, Jordan Bennington starts for Canada on Wednesday. I'm not sure if you saw that news. on Wednesday, I'm not sure if you saw that news. Oh my God. It's the best news. It's the best news. Next time we speak, I'll be in Boston for Four Nations
Starting point is 00:56:50 next Tuesday. Great. I'll be into it by then. I'll be into it by then. Not in Montreal for that. I'll be into it. But it'll be fun, man. I'll be into it. And then, oh, and then also keep in mind,
Starting point is 00:56:59 me and Arda are doing our official post game show for ESPN on the NHL and ESPN YouTube and Facebook Live after USA Canada on Saturday, which if you know Arda means the culmination of a bet we made which means I will either be garbed in something Canadian or he will be garbed in something American. And one of us will have to, apparently part of the bet is one of us will have to read something flattering about the other country, which is gonna be tough. Makes me root for the USA even harder. Canada wins, I know what I'm tuning into.
Starting point is 00:57:33 I know what I'm tuning into on Sarriere. All right, you be good. We'll talk in seven days when you're in Beantown. Thanks, pal. Awesome, thanks for listening, everybody. There he is, the great Greg Wyshinski from ESPN and ESPN.com. Okay, tomorrow on the program, we have me getting excited about Canada, Sweden,
Starting point is 00:57:56 but more importantly, we've got Zach Hyman. So I recorded something with Zach earlier today, gonna present a little sort of snippet of what you can see and hear tomorrow. Want to remind you, FanDuel, our partner here on this program, great friends, proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. Games of note, by the way, Natalie Spooner returns for the Scepters as they face off against New York Syracuse. So very much looking forward to that. But wanted to, instead of promoting games because we don't have any PWHL, we don't have any NHL games or
Starting point is 00:58:31 four-nation face-offs games to promote, wanted to play you part of the interview that I did with Zach Hyman earlier on today. The full interview on tomorrow's edition of The Sheet. Enjoy, Zach. We're back in a moment. Whenever I struggle, like I'd say the biggest struggle I've ever had was when I went from junior A to college and leaving junior A I was a top prospect. I won the junior player of the year and I went to college and I thought I was gonna go into college and I thought I was gonna be lighted up and be an NHL prospect right away and And I struggled.
Starting point is 00:59:05 I scored two goals in 40 games. I had nine points my first year. And then I had nine points my second year. And I remember sitting in Red's office, we'll talk about Red Berenson again. And he said, you know, Zach, you just have to keep working. And if you're not scoring, you have to know, learn how to do something else to be effective for our lineup. And there he is. Zach Hyman of the Edmonton Oilers.
Starting point is 00:59:28 Maybe it should have been Zach Hyman of Team Canada. That full interview. How long did we go with him, Zach? It was like 20, 25 minutes with Hyman today? Yeah, we're, I think it's like 22 minutes, something runtime. Yeah. Okay. So that one tomorrow, he's a big shot now.
Starting point is 00:59:47 President, governor, brand for Bulldogs, OHL, and interestingly enough, never drafted in the OHL, and now he owns an OHL team. That family, by the way, I mentioned this in the interview, the Hyman family have been trying to buy an OHL team, no joke, for 20 years. There have been a few times where they were close to purchasing certain organizations, but it wasn't until Michael Anlauer put the Bulldogs up for sale that the Hyman
Starting point is 01:00:17 family was able to consummate the deal and finally get into the Ontario League. They also do own an OJHL team and that is the Markham Royals and they are not divesting of that. They're keeping it and they're running that program and running the Bulldogs program as well. So anyway we talk a little bit about that. We talk a lot about his career, a lot of stuff about the Maple Leafs, a lot of stuff about the Oilers and a lot of stuff about his story. So that is tomorrow on the sheet. Zach Hyman, we hope you enjoy that. And hope you enjoy that as much as we enjoyed doing today's show. By the way, anything, every time I looked again
Starting point is 01:00:53 down at the chat, it was funny, and I was getting roasted and that's always good. Anything jump out at you today from the, from the exchange with Wish that you wanna point out. Or maybe even something good from the chat. People are very much on either end of the Four Nations discussion, which is kind of expected, I guess.
Starting point is 01:01:14 There's people who think you're Scrooge and people who think you're Bank On. They're not wrong! So like, yeah, it's kind of funny. I just can't remember an international, I can't remember, and again, I use ironic quotation marks when I say this about foreign nations, but an international tournament that I wasn't excited to watch. Again, this may all change tomorrow when the puck drops, but as of right now, eh, I'll
Starting point is 01:01:41 go start my sock drawer out. Yeah, I don't know, like I started listening to I Set Out this morning show and Colby Armstrong comes on and he's talking about McDavid and McKinnon and Crosby all playing on the same team and McCarr and Laz was bringing up how cool that is and stuff too and I was like, that is cool. You know what, like and then that was when I started to bite and I was like, alright, I think I'm in. So you're in. I was, yeah and then now I think you're in. I was, yeah. And then now I'm in. I'm excited.
Starting point is 01:02:07 I'm excited. Reeled you in. You're in. Yeah, they got me. They got me. Okay. Other note, by the way, you know, we should do lists. Why not?
Starting point is 01:02:16 Like it's, you know, minimal prep that goes in. We should do lists. I was thinking about this and I want to know because yours are going to be different and part of the reason and we can get people from the chat much like what we're doing with people sending us these videos that make you laugh which I think we should play throughout the week here and next week as well but favorite goal calls because you guys are talking about announcers and sounds of your childhood. I have a couple and some of it is because which I think you'll understand is like
Starting point is 01:02:44 what you used to say with your friends or things that got brought up all the time so there's two that stick out to me okay one is great save Luongo oh yeah Jim Houston oh and when you're like playing road hockey with your buddies are in practice the attendee makes a good save and someone yells that I'll make her something for us for us Okay, our generation was Palma tear That was our like that Yeah, and then the other one is the Sydney Crosby the Golden Goal that one is always like but that's probably Chris Cousin, it's way more with Canadians. Yes, you see there
Starting point is 01:03:30 Believe in miracles is the great one from 1980. That's brilliant. Am I a bad Canadian if I say this? Foster Hewitt's call of Henderson in 72 is really bad. That was an awful call of that humongous goal for Canada. That's an awful call. You know what's a really good call of that one? 72 Henderson? CBC radio. The television call is Foster Hewitt. They dragged him out of retirement for that one. And it's an awful call. It's terrible. Okay. But you know what was really good? The radio call it CBC. You know, did the radio call a very young
Starting point is 01:04:07 Bob Cole His call of Henderson's goal in 72 Much better than Foster Hewitt like it's not even close. It's not yeah My bad go listen to it Foster's call was awful Am I a bad Canadian for saying that Foster's call was awful? I'll listen. It doesn't like stick out to me so I'm not, I can't definitively say whether I do work out or not. Do you believe in miracles though is the best one for me? Yeah. Even as a Canadian I just say it and I'm just like, aha, tingles. Like that's perfect.
Starting point is 01:04:39 Okay, on that we're out. Thanks everyone in the chat as always. Thanks to Greg Wysyshinski from ESPN Thanks to Zach Phillips who does a lot of legwork on this show and does a lot of things and puts together a lot of things on this program and I just like drive through stop signs and We end up the day going like oh we didn't do this we didn't do this we didn't do this and I go like I'm sorry Zach bad host. You should have known that by now. Thanks. I had no sheet today for bad host you should have known that by now thanks I had no sheet today for you like I every day I do but today it was like what am I putting on this sheet
Starting point is 01:05:11 you like got it you're like the foster Hugh at 72 on the Henderson call you're terrible today all right foster all right thanks for watching on YouTube thanks for listening on your preferred podcast platform, or maybe both. Glad to have you aboard here on the program. It's fun, right? Beats working for a living. We'll talk to you tomorrow on the Sheet. Three o'clock Eastern, don't forget, morning cup of hockey. Tomorrow, nine o'clock Eastern.
Starting point is 01:05:38 I think daily face-off live is at noon tomorrow. Should probably check on that. I know yesterday they did seven, today they did noon. Live from Montreal and then this little monkey act that me and Zach do and that guy over my left shoulder. The champ. Let's get out of the way. Star of the show right there. There he is. Say good night. Turn your mic around. Say goodnight Signing off to the ship I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day to day Guess you can call it a rut I went to the dark man, he tried to give me a little medicine
Starting point is 01:06:31 I'm like, nah man, that's fine I'm not against those methods, but I knew It's me, myself and Alice gonna be fixing my mind Do you wanna break it? I turned on the music Do you wanna break it? I turned on the music It's turned up, up, out, and then just sometimes losing Helping on the days that went wrong The Daily Face Off Live Crew is hitting the road and going live on location from both
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