The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Miro-culous Comeback ft. Greg Wyshynski

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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Miroculus Comeback, or Miroculus. Not sure where to put, to put the accent on the right syllable on this one. I say that as the person that consistently year after year writes the worst headlines. I am awful at it. So Zach, I jest knowing full well that I could not do better. That doesn't make me a very good person. That's how just taking cheap shots at you, knowing that if you said,

Jeff, come up with the title of today's show, it would be the most boring thing in the world. So I was looking for... I know what you were looking for, a way to say that Mero Hick can be back for the Dallas Stars and it's a comeback and you wanted to play like have a little bit of a clever pun and a little play on words so... Now I'm curious in your head here. Welcome to the show by the way.

As I get totally self-indulgent. We'll just call the show, oh look there's my navel. As I totally get self-indulgent about today's program and what Zach has decided to name it, in your head, is it pronounced Miroculous? How is it? I can't even think of the right phraseology here. How does it sound in your head? What is that?

Doing it was Miroculous. Miroculous. Miraculous. Miroculus. Like, Miroculus. Yes. Miraculous, Miroculus. Instead of the A, the O, and the Miroculus and going with that. This one is way better than the alternative that I was- Which is?

You know, when you come up with something and you're like, I'm stuck on this and I can't go past it, and then finally Miroculus came to me as bad as that one is. I was this close to Miro Miro on the wall and was like, I don't know. Miro Miro on the ice. You could have gone with. Without it being better. That was better.

It's so bad, but it was better. I wish I thought of that. All I could think of it was Miro Miro on the wall. I'm like, how do I get this to make sense? And I came up with Muroculus when I was like, ah, okay, I guess that's the one. You give good headline. I could give good headache to a lot of people.

And we'll get to all of it coming up on the program today. Welcome to the program. Thanks everyone joining us live on YouTube or in the chat as well, which briefly was for subscribers only. We should pull the curtain back a little bit. Zach was kind of trying to flex a little bit today. He said, chats only for subscribers.

Aw, come on man, be a buddy. Times are tough, man. It's hard out there. People want to chat, just let them chat. Let them get their cheap shots. We're going to talk about cheap shots today, by the way. Get your cheap shots in, get your comments in, get all of them in. Don't worry about it. Everything's good. I do have an interesting theory on Corey Perry.

That's coming up in moments on the program. In the meantime, let's get to what's on the program today. Daily Outline powered as always by our friends at FanDuel. Make every moment more with North America's number one sports book. That's FanDuel, folks. I'm curious what our Tuesday staple is going to think of my theory about Corey Perry today. I think he might like it. That is of course, Greg Wyshinski from ESPN. We'll talk about the latest right now with Doug Sifu, minority owner of the Florida Panthers. That's coming up in a

couple of seconds. We'll talk about the Edmonton Oilers. We don't need great goaltending, we just need goaltending and we'll be just fine. Carolina Hurricanes are on the verge of another gentleman sweep and tucking themselves away to rest for a few days before the conference final. They now lead the Washington Capitals three games to one. Did you know that Miro Haskinen is returning here? That is Miroculus. That is Miro Miro on the ice. Okay, I'll stop now.

Tonight's game, tonight's games, by the way, should be tonight's game. To be more Pacific, as we say in the Atlantic. Not that I want to get grammatical on you, but there's only one game tonight that is not plural, and more on coaches as well. I feel like I've like backed the truck up a couple of different times on you already today, Zach. And I want to say that I apologize, but I don't. It's just one of those days. I don't need to.

It's just one of those days. Yeah. No. It's fair. All right. Well, this next segment is going to be a lengthy one and there's a lot we're going to get into. And the segment is brought to you by Budweiser. Budweiser is encouraging buds to make time for the playoffs, not excuses. Every goal, every check, every win is better enjoyed with your buds. Phone a bud, text a bud, ping a bud and call out their

excuses for bailing on the playoffs. After all the playoffs are the most wonderful time of the year. Make them count when it's springtime it's go time. With that we bring aboard our Tuesday staple it is MVSW time once again here on the program. Had a rare one on Sunday that was a lot of fun. It is MVSW time once again here on the program. Had a rare one on Sunday, that was a lot of fun. He is from ESPN, he is Greg Wyshensky, he joins me now. Miroculous, Miroculous, Miro Miro on the wall, Miro Miro on the ice.

You've been at this game a lot longer than we have, that is namely writing headlines. How would you have captured today's program with the big news of the return of Miro Haskinen for the Dallas Stars? Hey Marek, it's Ace. Hey Chet, Ace here. It won't stop. It won't stop. I do think you've been a little mean to Zach. Like I don't think he's... I don't like doing that. I have a... I got a note here from a J. Merrick. It says, Zach, you're fired. Oh, no!

He's gone too far, ladies and gentlemen. No, you know what? Okay. In the criticisms of his producer. Yeah, I got it. I... It's kind of a tired bit. I hate doing it, like, the yell at your producer, you know, oh, idiot producer did this. I've always just found that it's just, I don't know, it's been, it's become such a trope in media to, you know, yell at the behind the scenes guy that has a nerve to put everything together and does the actual heavy lifting for the program that I try to stay away from it. But man, like today was, you know, low hanging

juice. He's got a really, he's got a really hard job, not only dealing with you, but also trying to figure out YouTube. And so like I say this is, Ardo, Cal and I did the show The Drop on YouTube twice a week for a few years. And I stressed every single week about the numbers because I didn't know the algorithm. I didn't know like the SEO of the headline. And so to me it's like, I would say to the producers, like, just call every episode Sidney Crosby boobs, you know, Mr. Beast, you know, 10 ways to get a girl. Whatever is going to get headlines. It would just be shameless. Have it in the algorithm because it's all a dumb, dumb fake thing.

So when I saw the name of the show, my first thought was, oh God, is that gonna cost the show traffic? Then I said to myself, none of it matters. None of it matters. It's all a bizarre collection of ones and twos and zeros and we don't know what the hell's happening under the hood. So it's great. To me, I guess the point of that story Merrick is like I'm all now for puns and creativity in these headlines instead of

trying to play to the cheap seats. Yeah. Zach. But Miro Miro on the ice is great by the way. That would be the one I would have chosen. Okay, see? Now Zach by the way that doesn't mean that I'm writing the headlines from now on. I want none of the responsibility. I just want to be the guy that throws darts. That's it I just want to talk shit from the back seat and that's all that's all I want to do here is that you still Do you have can I ask you about? Okay, he's getting things so interesting to me. I feel like every postseason Yeah, there's one of these guys and and it just maybe it's because it's the series that I'm on or whatever Where every single day it's a how close is he and then it's because it's the series that I'm on or whatever where

every single day it's a how close is he and then it's like he's real close he's getting closer he doesn't play and then we're like what is he doing it like he's at the optional skate he's gonna play no he's not ready to play yet and then we get to the next game you're like is he gonna play they're like yes tonight he will play if he gets through the morning skate he will play and you're all like, alright, he is back. I remember doing this with Stephen Stamkos one year with the lightning. I feel like there was probably a guy in the gold nights. That was the case. Like it seems like every year there's

one injured guy. And it just becomes a daily deluge of, you know, he took the optional, but he's not taking the optional tomorrow. And is he okay to blame? Will he play if he plays, will there be 11 forwards and seven? Who's to say? And it's, he's going to, for some reason this season. I just look at it as part of the marketing, the marketing of that game. And again, like, let's not forget to come playoff time. You know, what kind of information you get from teams about things

as specific as injuries zero. And that's fine. Right. But people have columns to file and tweets to send off and attention to try to capture. So any tiny little morsel, any crumb of information is big news. But I've always said like, for a team like Toronto, which is like, there are no small stories. There are no Toronto, Montreal, like the biggies, New York, there are no small stories.

And every, like as much as markets may snicker at that, that's what you wanna get to. You wanna get to a place with your organization where there's no such thing as a small story. Like a fourth liner, we're gonna determine whether he's in or not based on the pregame, the pregame skate. Like for that to be a major, if that's a major news story in your market, you know, you're doing really, really well.

Like I've always said this about Toronto. Is there too much information out there about the Toronto Maple Leafs? Yes. And what the Toronto Maple Leafs fans want? Too much information. They do not want to push back from the buffet table. Just more plate after plate plate after plate and That's why

Catching the other organization in a moment of candor. They'll tell you the same thing. That's what we want here That's yeah, that's the moment. That's the moment players stop signing with you because they're like there's too much scrutiny There's too much attention. I hate it. I want to go play in Anaheim Why is it why is it like that in hockey but not other sports? What is about hockey players where you hear the definite? Oh, I'm shying away from the big stage Where as other sports like that's all anyone could race to baseball basketball football It's all other players can race to but for hockey for some reason like I just want to go somewhere quieter. You know, I can wear shorts and flops

I can go to the mall and no one knows who I am. They might think I'm a football player after all you know, I can wear shorts and flops, I can go to the mall and no one knows who I am. They might think I'm a football player after all. I have a so my only theory on that because I've thought about it for a long time vis-a-vis places like Toronto, which by the way, guys are signing in and let's yeah, guys will continue to sign there this summer. But in hockey, because of the sports place in the United States, like the quiet places for hockey are some really great, like a quiet place for hockey is Miami. Like a quiet place for hockey is Dallas, Texas.

Like a quiet place for hockey is Disneyland, or Los Angeles for that matter. I mean, or San Jose for that matter. So like the idea that you can go to a number of different places that are extremely desirable locales and it's the quiet place, vis-a-vis what you experience in Montreal or Toronto, I think is something unique to hockey

to answer your question. The poll, by the way, going on right now, and the leader is incredible title. I don't know how many times Zach can vote on this. How do you feel about Miraculous Comeback? 33% saying, Incredible Title. I didn't know Zach had that many family members watching the program right now. But now I have a pretty good idea.

I assume based on Zach's age, this is a reference to Miraculous Ladybug and Cat Noir, one of my daughter's favorite cartoons growing up. I'm sure it had a big influence on Zack as well. Well, I don't know what language you're speaking. This is like, this is Portuguese. It's a cartoon about a little girl who has a miraculous ladybug who gives her powers and she becomes a superhero. Everyone knows this, Merrick. Come on. Left-hand shot or right-hand shot? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with this. What's funny is that you playing dumb about an obscure,

you playing dumb about an obscure children's cartoon is the same, what playing dumb that you do for like 90% of the pop culture that comes up on the show. And it's genuine, which is great about you. That's not the great thing about you. No, I'm entertainment outsider. Entertainment outsider, Jeff Merrick, here to be confused about everything that Greg Wyshinski says

about anything that doesn't involve Puck. Now, let me talk to you about anything that doesn't involve Puck. Now, let me talk to you about something that doesn't involve Puck. This is something that involves tweets and Doug Sifu, who is now, he's a minority owner of the Florida Panthers. He came in when Vinny Viola bought the team, has now been suspended for misconduct

on the social media app X, formally known as Twitter, going back at a fan and referencing 51st State, which is, which I suspect is the one that got him in trouble more than accusing him of being an anti-Semite. But nonetheless it was a pretty forceful exchange that a minority NHL owner had with a fan. And I've always been reminded of a conversation that I overheard with someone, I don't know how to phrase this,

in a position of power with the team where someone said to this person bluntly as this person was complaining about someone else's social media behavior, a fan directed at this person was complaining about someone else's social media behavior, a fan directed at this person, the comment was, yeah, that's what the money's for. Like I always look at like,

let me take a little side car here on this, little side trip on this one here. Gary Bettman every year at the NHL, when he, at the Stanley Cup final, when he hands out the award, he gets soundly booed. And the one thing that I've always respected- The award being the Stanley Cup, by the way. What's that?

Yeah. The award being the Stanley Cup. The Stanley, the Stanley Cup, yeah. When he's awarded, when he awards the Stanley Cup, he gets soundly booed, and he's never even contemplated not doing it, because one, that's what his predecessors have always done, that is a longstanding tradition.

And I think in his mind too, part of that is, yeah, that's what the money's for. Like you're gonna get, Curtis, that's what the position's for and this is what happens in the position. I always think about my favorite line from the Godfather. Ahem, this is the business we chose. Like this comes along with it.

And there are some people in certain positions that shouldn't fire back the way they do. To tie back into Merrick's pop culture blind spots, it doesn't even realize that the team executive he's speaking about is quoting Don Draper from Edmund. Secondly, I think it's probably the string of words that Doug Sifu put together, quote, eat shit, 51st state

anti-Semite loser. That probably gets you on the NHL's radar, that string of words. I will say this, I don't know if people have seen it because not everybody is reading Florida hockey now, but I asked the Panthers if they had put out a statement at all about the NHL deciding to suspend Doug Sifu from the team basically and from the league basically. And they pointed to Florida Hockey now as the place to find the statement. So here we go.

Doug Sifu statement. Two days ago, I posted regrettable and inflammatory comments on social media. Boy, howdy, did you? My behavior does not reflect the standards of the Florida Panthers? Okay organization in the viola family Okay, I sincerely apologize to all those affected by my comments I am committed to working with the NHL to amend my actions there's some things I disagree with in there as far as his characterization of

some things I disagree with in there as far as his characterization of philosophies. But the point being is that he regrets it, he's going to work with the NHL to amend his actions, and I do wonder what the ultimate end result here is. Are they going to have him give up his stake in the team? I imagine he probably will lose his alternate governorship of the team will lose his alternate governorship of the team by as at some sort of level of punishment for all of this. But again I'll say this about the NHL, real swift action here. And I spoke with somebody at the league earlier this morning about this story and and I said you know sometimes you you're surprised by the reaction to the league in a positive or negative way when things occur like this. And the majority of fans and fan reaction that I've seen has been like, go go you go girl, like go NHL, like, like, like, where is this level of swift action on other things? Like, where is this level of swift action on other things? So I think they really, they made an example of the guy

and I think that, you know, they scored some points for it. So I'm always aware of, and I always try to think of, and keep front of my brain, one fact about Gary Bettman's job. Gary Bettman, essentially, I've been reminded so many different times. And most recently, having a lunch, actually, having a lunch actually with an owner, uh, of an NHL team who reminded me of it again.

And agreed when I said this, Gary Bettman has one job and this informs me. Like once I really understood this, a lot more of the NHL's actions and behavior makes a lot of sense. Gary Bettman has one job. he's always had one job, going back to 1993, raise franchise values. Some things are directly related to raising franchise values, some are indirectly related to raising franchise values.

And as I looked at this comment from Sifu and how the NHL might react, the first thing that I thought in my head was, Gary Bettman's number one job, which has always been part of his head, is this raising franchise values or diminishing franchise values? This is not raising franchise values.

This is doing nothing for the value of the Florida Panthers whatsoever. If anything, it is lowering the value, albeit small, but nonetheless, lowering the value of the Florida Panthers and this type of behavior. Again, I would imagine one of the questions that will be asked by the commissioner is why, you know,

going back to Gary Berman getting booed every year when he presents a Stanley Cup, that's what the money is for, right? You get paid very well. People boo you once a year. And it's an annual tradition that presidents before him have done. Like, why, I know we've all fired things off. I know we've all, and like, two seconds ago, like, oh God.

On Twitter? You used to be, you used to be, I used to love it. It was, honestly, my favorite show every single night was Greg Wyshynski on Twitter. What are you watching tonight? Greg Wyshynski on Twitter was my favorite show. Yeah. I freaking loved it.

It was amazing. Are you trying to say that I, I used to be so mean to the sheet guest, Pierre McGuire on social media that my bosses at Yahoo said, stop tweeting about Pierre McGuire. I mean, it's possible, possible that happened. I'll, you mentioned this before, and I don't want to talk about the seafood thing. I mean, it's possible, possible that happened. You mentioned this before,

and I don't wanna talk about the seafood thing the whole time we're doing this, but I do wanna mention this. You mentioned the 51st state thing as maybe being the trigger. And I do think that the overall, yeah, I mean, I think the third rail of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and all that stuff,

they don't want the owners using that as a haunt against fans. But I'll say this about your 51st state theory. I'm in Dallas, we were in Dallas, I was in Dallas Sunday when we did the show. I'm in Dallas for game three. It's Winnipeg and Dallas. And I hear, Oh Canada played. And not a single peep.

Not a single boo or jeer or sneer or sneeze. And then, you know, obviously the Star Spangled Banner plays and everybody's cheering and screaming at stars and whatever. But it got me thinking how much distance we've had from the unpleasantness that surrounded Four Nations to now. And probably when you have a series that is the emotional powder keg

that the Panthers and Maple Leafs are right now, the last thing you do is want to spark the flame of anthem booing again. Which having the minority owner of the Florida Panthers evoking the 51st state could easily do in this series, right? And that's what the Four Nations, again, like you and I have talked about this when it was happening. The reaction from Canadians towards the US national anthem was a lot more nuanced just than Canada's better the United States or we hate the United States. Canadians don't hate the United States. Canadians don't hate Americans. They hate a number of policies of this administration. They hate the

whole they can't stand the talk of 51st state. The tariff thing considering how long we've been economic partners really really offended, uh, a lot of Canadians. And that's what that was a reaction to. That wasn't a, we hate the United States reaction. That wasn't. And I'm, and, and again, like to your point about 51st state, it's gone away and it's really nice.

No one booze the U S national anthem anymore in Canadian ranks. They, they don't. And it's, it's a lot nicer that way. It's really good. Everything is calmed down. Everyone is playing nice here. The last thing to your point that you want to do is throw a log on that fire at this point. The last thing you want to do now is throw a log in that fire. It was useful around four nations and helped create that enormous success that was that tournament. It will be useful again next year in 2026

before the Olympics. Like it serves its purpose to fuel the rivalry between our nations, but it sure as shit doesn't have a place in the Stanley Cup playoffs right now. Things are going good. We're up. Chaos is happening. Big series are entertaining. The last thing you want is to have, you know,

Newsmax covering the Stanley Cup playoffs because someone in Toronto decided to, like, throw an American flag on the ice or something. They're in the anthem. You don't want that. You know what I've always wondered? I don't think I've ever asked a player this, but I would really like because I was in Sunrise over the weekend and you know Friday night specifically Florida Panthers are having like an incredible second period like holy smokes like they erased the

three-to-one deficits like it's the best period of hockey we've seen the Florida Panthers play all season and they start chanting USA USA and I'm thinking to myself If I'm Matthew Nyes or Austin Matthews or Jake McKay like what am I what am I thinking right now? Are they chanting my country's name? against my team like what happens to you as an athlete when my team? Like, what happens to you as an athlete when they're chanting your anthem to try to offend you as a member of the other team? You know what I mean? They did the same thing in Dallas and the top line in Dallas is three guys that should be in a restaurant in Helsinki having reindeer sausage. I want to get the hate by the way, does he do it?

Does Pete DeBoer do it? Put what put Miro back in or do the whole Finn starting lineup finish five. You might as well. Right. Have a little fun with it. Make history. It makes history. Miro coming back is an interesting cause I think we talked about on Sunday, like the idea of, of using him as the turbo boost of emotion at the right time.

And to me that's Pete saying we got a chance to put the hammer down in this series now in game four. So you might as well unleash the beast in game four. I will be curious if they go seven and 11, it sounds like they will. And it sounds like they will because Pete has had no problem double shifting Rantan in the four. I will be curious if they go seven and 11. It sounds like they will. And it sounds like they will because Pete has had no problem double shifting Rantan in the series. I mean, Rantan is a guy he said gets better the more you play him. So you might as well double shift them. Yeah. So that's probably what they'll end up doing. And, you know, he has tallied points in

the series, not playing with Granlin and hints, you know, and playing up with like Sam Steele down the lineup. So, well, they're in a good spot. Man, I'll tell you right now, like we'll get to the other series in a second and do respect to Winnipeg and do respect to Vegas. Vegas I think is cooked, but Winnipeg could easily win tonight

and then make it a real series with the way they played at home. But what a heavyweight slobber knocker we might be in for with Dallas and Edmonton. Oh my gosh. I know. I know. I mean, that's kind of what we all want at this point, right?

Like if we're being honest with ourselves. Oh, it would be, it would be tremendous series. Like right now, and I'm going to get to Edmonton here within a couple of seconds, but this is a team that's completely hit its stride. And Stuart Skinner just threw a shout out at the Vegas Golden Knights. And again, it's not a team we've seen before. Like it's not a team that needs great goal tending to win. And it might be the only team in the playoffs right now that can, that can,

that can score their way out of trouble, which is a horrible philosophy to run on. Oh, don't worry about what happens back there. We'll just score two. Um, but like of any team in the playoffs, you're like Edmonton can do that. Like if this one lines up, but it's you're like Edmonton can do that. Like if this one lines up that it's gonna be Edmonton and the Dallas Stars here, this could be one for the ages, which is why if you're either team,

you wanna wrap this one up fast. Just like if you're the Carolina Hurricanes, you need to win this next game so you can have two gentlemen sweeps back to back and rest and let Florida, Toronto just knock the crap out of one another. But I'm with you like Dallas Edmonton. Yeah, I'd like, I'd like some names of that. I'll take some. What do you think has happened to the, to the Vegas top offensive players?

They haven't looked good. Honestly, they haven't looked, I don't think that they've really looked good. Like there haven't been long enough stretches where they've looked good. Honestly, they haven't looked, I don't think that they've really looked good. Like there haven't been long enough stretches where they've looked good, even going back to the Minnesota series. Like even going into the series against Ebb and Tull and like, okay, we're waiting now for, because coming out of the first round series, I'm like, yeah, you know, Jack Eichel's played good,

but I still want to see more from Jack Eichel. I don't think that they've played a complete game, like a fully complete game, yet these playoffs. And I think Edmonton, like Edmonton's interesting because they had that scare against the Los Angeles Kings. And you ever see that documentary, Scared Straight, where they take kids to prison? Of course I have. Of course you have. That, that, that in Catholicism kept me on the straight and narrow when I was a child. So I wonder if that was like the first two games of the LA series was the equivalent of taking kids to prison and scared them straight. Because now they're like they're terrified to lose a hockey game and they're on a completely different level here.

Now it helped getting, I got like a Vander King comes back. Okay, I get it. I'll get a lot of other good things have happened here. But I think that that was the good scare that was thrown in early that allowed the Edmonton Olders. Like put it this way, when that happens to you, in one sense, it's the best thing for a coach because now Knoblock has all of their attention.

This is what I've been trying to say to you guys. This is what I've been trying to tell you. And now we're down to Bagel. You gonna do it my way? Let's do it my way. And like you said, the scary thing about them is that they've gotten better. I mean, they're playing as well defensively

as they played last year when they went on the run to the final. The way they're supporting cast is carrying the load on nights when Connor and Leon don't necessarily have to put up five points a piece. That's frightening. The fact that they've had, like they've had competent goaltending more often

than not in the playoffs. And like you said, that's all you need. You just don't need placement level goaltending in front of that, in back of that team. Especially when they're defending well as a team. So they are really hitting their stride in a way that I did not expect them to I mean I expect them to get past the Kings I picked him in this in this Vegas series But they look they look much better than I thought they did look at this point. Honestly, I'm I'm shocked I did not pick them against the Los Angeles Kings because outside of like one stretch in December

They haven't looked great at all. Like if we keep going, oh don't worry they'll turn it on. Four times the charm guys, you know. Oh four times the charm. Oh I just baited into picking against Conor and Leon against the Los Angeles Kings. Come on, they've always, I always had that. Um you want it ready for a Jeffy Theory time? Please. You're for Jeffy Story time. You want to do Jeffy Theory time? I love Jeffy Theory time. The only way we get Corey Perry to retire is if he wins the Stanley Cup. Because, so here's my theory. Here's my theory that if the Oilers win the Stanley Cup, Corey Perry will retire because he wants the,

this might be just like the ultimate troll job for all of his haters. The last picture of Corey Perry in the NHL is him holding the Stanley Cup. Wish, he is not doing this for the money, clearly. No. He is not doing this. He can, A, he can still play. Um,

B he's smart enough to play anywhere from the top line to the fourth line. And we've seen him do both in this series. He's not, he's never been a super fast hockey player, but he's a really smart hockey player. He's won everything. He's going to the hockey hall of fame. That's a complete layup. I think that Corey Perry wants his closing act to be the Stanley Cup. And when he gets it, he'll say to himself, that's how I want to retire. Last picture, me holding the cup. And for the first time, they're saying

it's on morning. I'm at home. He's like, he's like, I don't want to ever be at home. I just want to keep doing hockey for the rest of my life. That's what I started's like, I don't want to ever be at home. I just want to keep doing hockey That's what I said, but I think of what these guys playing this deep into their career No, no, and he's and he's already made a ton of bank I'm just thinking like that's how he if he hasn't honestly think about it if it was you and I was trying to Personalize this for myself like well, would I would I be this way and the answer is yeah If you have a shot at making a closing act of Stanley Cup the minute minute you win it, do you not say to yourself, that's the way I got to go out because he's not doing it again. He's not doing it for the money.

Not at all. Hard for me to envision that as a writer though, because the great thing about being a writer is that I can keep doing it until I'm Stan Fischler's age where I could be like 107 years old and just go on social media being like Iggy Piggy doesn't deserve the money. And I'm like, yes, I still got it. Let me tell you about Max Bentley. I know. Sounds like me. No, I think you're right. Although I do love the idea of him not winning

and continuing to walk across the NHL post-apocalyptic landscape, like a paladin, going from team to team, offering his services to see if they can maybe unlock it for him to win a cup. But he's been great. We talked about this on Sunday, like the idea that he's playing top line minutes and doing as well as he has is just incredible.

And do you think that this sort of Swiss army knife, savvy veteran, post-script to his career made him a Hall of Famer, the longevity of it all? Or do you think he already wants? Already he's won everywhere he's gone going back to junior hockey like everywhere Perry Perry goes championships follow he's won he's won them all he's he's he's he's like honestly even before I and I have appreciated this chase this chase here at the end I it really has been a lot of

fun and I'll miss him here I already am writing the obituary for Corey Perry and the NHL and they haven't even taken care of the Vegas Golden Knights in round two. I'm just sort of getting ahead of myself here and just thinking, I was having a conversation with someone this morning saying like, is this the only way Corey Perry would retire? And if the elders do win the Stanley Cup,

is that enough for Corey Perry to say, okay, that's the way I want to end it? And then by extension, to my earlier point, is that his like ultimate FU to all the Corey Perry haters? It really would be a great way to go. 1392 games played, 448 goals, 480, 935 points. Sitting at the thousand. Has there ever been a player

that should have been a Florida Panther that wasn't more than Corey Perry, by the way? Oh, just a nasty. That's a great question. Florida's hard. It was manifest destiny to play for the Panthers. I feel like Perry should got in there. Try to get all of them.

Well, listen, they didn't have the Florida Panthers when Ken Lindsman played, whose nickname was actually the Rat. He would have been the ultimate perfect player for the Florida Panthers. Yeah, that team was kind of made for him. Skill, nastiness, attitude. But what you just said is, you know, my dad taught me everything about hockey fandom, right?

So he was a fan of the Islanders dynasty, and then therefore knew a lot about the Oilers dynasty. And so Ken Lindsman was a very sort of instructive player for me because my dad taught me, look, this team with Ratsky, and Bessie, and Curry, and all these guys, they needed a guy named the Rat on the team too. Like that's part of the chemistry, that's part of the alchemy of a championship team is having a guy named the Rat on the roster along with Wayne Gretzky.

And they also had a healthy dose of muscle around too. Like let's not forget that but that was indicative of the the entire era. Like I'm sure your dad was in love with Clark Gillies. Your dad was in love with Gary Howitt and your dad was in love with Bob Nystrom. Like that's what I love. My dad was an insane Clark Gillies fan. Yeah. Jethro was incredible. I mean he was the king till Ben Wilson came along but until then he was the king and you never You never mess with Jethro But that was it. I went to I went to Clark Gillies induction weekend at the hockey Hall of Fame and to this day

I'll defend it because I mean not me going but defending him being a Really go wherever one But I mean the idea that that you have specialization of the Hall of Fame of honoring the best to do what someone does, the best in a role. Like the football Hall of Fame is not like, we can't put this punter in because he's not as good as Tom Brady. Like the punter is the best punter.

The enforcer is the best enforcer. Like the idea that you can be a bit more specialized than in the Hockey Hall of Fame, if you're gonna be as inclusive as they are. And for me, I'd induct like five guys to generation. But as long as we're going to induct all these people all these years, the idea of doing specialization and honoring someone like Clark Gillies is something I've never had a problem with. The defensive defenseman, you've heard me go on and lament the fact. And I was happy they put like, you know, Kevin Lowe in there. And but we think of like, it's like Rod Langway was like the guy look we put defensive

defenseman in look at Rod Langway after all anybody else again you've heard you've heard me talk about Adam Foote and you know and that's gonna dovetail into a conversation somewhere down the road about Jacob Slaven to the hockey Hall of Fame like all of a sudden you start to your point about it's a rewarding specialization yeah defensive defensemen people have the nerve to defend in their own zone let's talk about Slaverman and his boys for a second because i feel like every time we do the show we always forget to talk about Washington Carolina um which by the way again like i hate that there's one series it's the butt of everybody's jokes but it but it happens and it's this series

and and you know it's this series. And you know, it's not been the most scintillating thing I say as I prepare to go to game five in DC on Thursday. But I really loved the moment last night in Rod Brindimore's press conference where Corey Lavulette asked him about the idea that other cities are looking at the box scores. They're looking at Carolina and they're just like, you guys are just like shot attempt merchants. Like all you do is just pump shots on goal and that's all you are,

and there's nothing really interesting about that. And he's like, what do you think about that? And Rod's like, it's lazy. He's like, it's like a lazy take about my team. And then he nodded at the nuance that goes into their system beyond the shot attempts. Like there's a method to their madness and it'd be interesting to pick Rod's brain more on that subject. But Rare is the moment where he gets like pissy or snippy in defending the virtue of his team. And last night was an interesting one. Last night was just like,

what a lazy take to think that all we do is shoot the puck. I like that. I like, I like, I want more pushback from Carolina. Their fans are the ones always pushing back about the virtue of the team and, and the inherent excitement. It reminds me of when I was a Devils fan in the 1990s, like pushing back on the trap years and saying, no, no, no, you see defense is a road to offense. That's exciting. Isn't it?

And everybody else in the league being like, shoeoo, shoo, shoo, as they're watching the Devils. Like I want Carolina players and coaches to be the ones pushing back on all these narratives that the fans usually have to handle. Okay. The Trap is nothing new in the NHL. Not that I'm saying that Carolina Hurricanes play Trap, they play man on man and there are a lot of subtleties that play man on man and nuance in the game that doesn't make it the track meet that a lot of hockey fans want it to be. Trap goes back to like half day with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

And here's another thing that Maple Leafs fans will never tell you. Here's something that Maple Leafs fans will never tell you because they were just enjoying the winning. And again, to your point, Greg, you're a Devils fan. You're winning, you don't care. I've talked to Carolina fans who are like,

I don't care how they do it. We're winning hockey games. And those are the people that are buying your tickets and purchasing your jerseys and supporting the Carolina Hurricanes. Here's something that Maple Leaf fans will never admit to you. As much as they love that 1993 team that came,

oh, so close, against the Los Angeles Kings to get into the final against the Montreal Canadiens. It was a trap team. Those bastards. That was a trap team. Ruined in hockey. All they would do is just knock down pucks and here we go again in the neutral zone. That was a trap team.

Maple Leafs fans like to remember a difference. Oh, Dougie and a hundred points and Wendell's fighting guys and all these things and the Andertrex. It was a trap hockey team. I hate to bring it up folks, but it was a trap team. The guys were just laughing watching the transitions in the neutral zone. I do have one beef with Carolina.

What's that? Look, I'm not saying that I wanted the Washington Capitals to score on the power play, though it is very exciting to see Alex Ovechkin score on the power play, which we did see last night on a 5 on 3. But the Caps had a four-minute power play. I think it was late in the first period against Carolina. And again, I'm not saying I want them to score, but power plays are fun. And I love seeing teams whip the puck around and I love seeing those moments of danger.

I love seeing plays get set up and executed. Like it's fun. But when you play Carolina, what you get is four minutes of teams being unable to enter the zone and unable to set up in the zone and unable to do anything on the power play for four minutes. And they did it to the capitals last night. And so if I do have a beef, if I do have one grape, if I do have one, hey,

why don't you let us have a little fun here, you guys? It's when Carolina does that thing on the PK where they don't even allow you to get any real estate in the offensive zone, let alone try to score a goal. You know what else can happen? They score on you short handed. And or okay, whether it's Seth Jarvis or Jordan Martinook, like Jordan stall, like someone might just score on you.

Like that's that's the thing that is just so annoying about playing Carolina. First of all, they must be like of all the NHL players, and this is a league that's blessed with incredible athletes. You remember asking Eric Tulski about this last week on the show, like, you know, what do you look for in a hockey player? And he started talking about the Carolina hurricane system

and all that. And all I'm thinking to myself is like, all these guys have to be able to A, compete like Rod Brindamore, B, play like Rod Brindamore, and C, be tri to a compete like Rod Brindamore, B play like Rod Brindamore, and C be triathletes like Rod Brindamore. Like can you think of a team that expects more out of you physically? You know, you know how you must feel after playing three periods of man on man? Just how exhausted you must be. Like I get it that visually it might not be the most appealing game,

but you got to hand it to those guys. That is one of the hardest working teams in the NHL. Again, what I say about them, they're an acquired taste. This is an acquired taste. Do you think in the Carolina Hurricanes gym, there's a picture of Bryndamore with the Stanley Cup standing above that brook, the shirtless picture of Bryndamore that we've all seen.

Do you think it's like a banner in the weight room? They just have pictures of Rod Bryndamore's body parts beside the leg press. There's a picture of his quads. So beside every machine, there's like pack-nack, there's Rod's packs. There's Rod's pecs. Alright, so listen. Last time we talked was on Sunday. That was before the Leafs-Panthers game 4. Shout out to our friend Brian Slagle by the way, who I saw Sunday night

watching the Leafs-Panthers game. Having a smoke outdoors in Dallas as one tends to do. Where is your head at now as far as the Leafs go? Like we were at a point, I was telling you, no panic until you lose at home if you're the Leafs. But I did caution you that there's a couple of trends I did not like in the series, one being that Bobrowski was getting better

as the series went on, and the other being that the Panthers were pantering and just like bludgeoning people. So those two things continued unabated in game four. Do you not get the feeling that this is no longer just about what's on the ice, but what's in between the ears? We keep seeing, Oh, look at these situations where Toronto Maple, but that's the thing. We keep saying that this team is so different.

All right. Oh, look at this. They would have folded here, oh, they would have folded there, but now this is like real stakes. All of a sudden now, they're up two nothing and now it's the best two out of three and the Florida Panthers just like that second period on Friday was dominant and the game on Sunday, the Florida Panthers were dominant. All of a sudden now there's like legitimate seeds of doubt and what comes along with that is okay, the seeds of doubt are going to dovetail with the

consequences of all this. If the Maple Leafs now fold, they have this talent to beat the Florida Panthers. That's not in doubt. I wonder how much, I really do wonder how much the Maple Leafs looking back and saying, oh, we just squandered a great performance by Joe Wall. We can't do that anymore.

Like that was a great, that was a great performance by Joe Wall. We can't do that anymore Like that was a great does a great game by Joseph Wall leaves had no business being in that game early at all But they were because of their goaltender. That's why I wonder now. Okay now is the mental test Now is the mental test here for the Toronto Maple Leafs. We keep saying all along Oh, it's a different team. It's a different team. Now, all of a sudden, this is like legit adversity, even though nobody's lost serve. No one should be in trouble because no one's lost at home. But it sure doesn't feel that way for your Maple Leafs. What do you think?

I think the Panthers are like the classic Pixar movie, Monsters, Inc. Where the monsters would collect the fear and the screams of young children as they jump out of their closets at night in order to like power their cities in Monster World. The Florida Panthers are powered by the frustration, by the tension, by the anxiety, by the tension, by the anxiety, by the consternation that they create in the minds and the hearts of their opponents. And I think we're at that point in the series where they've created that. They've created this, they've planted that seed and a toxic tree has sprung from the ground in the minds of the Toronto Maple Leafs. I really thought

the Leafs had this. And I know that part of this also is Austin Matthews being hurt and not being able to exert his will on the series at all. And Stolar is going out. Walls played well, but Stolar was kind of having a magical run. So there's a lot of other factors at play, but at the core of the series right now, and I hope I'm wrong, because I really felt quite good about this Leafs team and felt that it could be the one that gets over the hump, but at this point, it's kind of like the Panthers vampirically feasting on the anxiety and the tension that's inherent and the frustration too. It's how many hit-em-high, hit-em-hards can we have in a row from the Panthers without

any repercussion. It's all there for the Panthers, and this what they do to teams and they're doing it to the least right now. What did you make of um, Brady, or Matthew Kachuck and William Nylander on the benches? I mean it happens all the time. There's the fact that here's the thing that I do wonder about, if Kachuck does anything, if you're like anything like sort of borderline that could be, eh, maybe suspension, maybe it's not. Does that go into the, is that become one of the determining factors about premeditation? Oh, you know, that's a great question

because I think one of the most nebulous things about player safety, and again, I'm a defender of player safety, I think they do a pretty good job more often than not, but one of the real nebulous things is how they factor in intent. And intent seems like such an important thing. And sometimes intent's easy.

Guy skates from one end of the ice to the other to hit somebody. You know, the cadre suspensions, you know, when he was with Leafs, there was intent in the distance traveled, for example. When it comes to like clawing your shot, like Kachuk did with Nylander, if something happens, God forbid,

you have to figure they're gonna factor it in, but you don't know for sure. But you know, when it comes to this sort of thing, we referenced me being a Devils fan earlier, you're asking the wrong guy. I was the guy who would rewind the VHS tape just to see Scott Stevens say to the Detroit bench, you're next. You're next.

After the Kozlov hit. It's hockey, baby. It's hockey. All right, couple of minutes with you left here. I wanna get to, this is always fun with you, and I think we have a question that's right up your alley here. Time now for the Crispy Inbox,

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You can prep, cook and store anything from crispy favorites to one dish meals. Visit their website. It's in the link in the show description and stay tuned for your chance to win a free Ninja Crispy. One of my favorite things that Zach does for this email is he puts the whole thing on the screen where you really have to squint to see the question or the comment. Zach, what do we have in the crispy inbox today? I know a very grandpa of me. I know there it is again. It's not squinting.

It's like it literally is an eye chart. Like there's so many friggin words. I don't blame you. All right. What do you got, Zach? It's so many friggin words. I don't blame you for this. Sorry guys. All right. What do you got Zach? It's like from reading on white. Like it's, it's like a... Yeah. Yeah. I probably could have come up with something better. All right. What do you got? I was listening to Jeff Pontificate on the youth. We're seeing the officials today and

about the speed and skating ability officials need. One point he made was that officials have to be on the ice for a full 60 minutes and never get to come off the ice. So that brought to my mind the question of, what about having two lines of officials? That way they can swap shifts and be fresher. You don't need another bench for them, just have them go in and out of the penalty boxes,

even if you don't have two full lines, maybe just an extra referee, an extra linesman, so you can rotate the ones on the ice. What do you think, Josh? First of all, the visual of having a referee or a linesman sitting in the penalty box is just too delicious for me, not to even just entertain this for one minute.

But my first thought is- That's why I had to ask. It's a great one. So who submitted that one? That's a really cool question. I love that. That's from Josh. Josh, great job.

My first thought is like, yeah, that visually would look cool, which, but second of all, not a chance because that's an extra layer of salary. Thank you very much. I like this question for a few reasons. First of all, it's a classic MVSW. It's a good one.

Mind trip when it comes to hockey. Trying to break down the game and thinking about ways to improve it that may be quite untraditional. So I appreciate the question. Second thing is, I like the idea of the officials being on the ice watching the game. I think one of the problems with trying to like line change ref crews is you know, there's a challenge on Top Chef where one person starts the meal and then they have to tag out then somebody who's been

blindfolded has to come in and continue to cook the meal, but they don't know anything that's happened. You know, they have to kind of figure out what's going on based on the mise en place. And I feel like if you had referees come from the back onto the ice, not having really been experiencing the game, it could really interrupt the flow of things. Cause they don't know about this guy that got away with the penalty in the first period. They don't know about the narrative between two players

that have been barking at each other the entire time. So the idea that they're watching the game is kind of intriguing. But overall, like, I'm not sure if you need this for the first 60, but the idea that maybe you give these guys a break in a multiple overtime game, if you start overtime with a new crew, that's not a bad idea.

Until though, we see evidence of officials being horribly out of place. That's the thing, the only point I was trying to make about officials with this one at some point last week was trying to make about, uh, officials with, with this one at some point last week was, uh, we don't see the guys with the barrels anymore, skating around, like go back and look at games from the seventies and the sixties. And you kind of watching a lot of officials just sort of waddle around the ice. Like those guys are gone and never coming back.

Right. Like you need to be torn up like a bad report card now to be able to, to officiate in the NHL because your cardio has got to be great, you got to be strong, linesmen got to break up fights and stuff like they're in good shape, they're in position. I just don't see the need for it right now because it's not as if like we have officials with their tongues hanging out after 60 games. Like they're fine. The only point they're trying to make is like, well, you know, give these guys a pat on the back. Like they're in awesome shape and I don't see them out of position in any consistent basis. So I don't think that there's a problem.

I do wonder about your point about multiple overtimes, but I just don't hear anyone from the officials association complaining about it. So this is probably a discussion for the off season or a day when we're not like 10 minutes away from ending the show. But there has been a concerted effort by the NHL to recruit athletes versus officials. You know, they're looking for guys that used to play.

They're looking for guys that are young in shape, speedy. It's no longer looking for the person who might be the best referee. They're looking for the best athlete that also referees. And it, you know, depending on who you talk to, it's had a deleterious effect about the quality of officiating in the league. But to your point, these guys are in the best shape they've ever been in.

That's a really good, like, I always wondered like what you do, like if you have someone who'd be an really excellent official, but can't keep up with the play, then there's no job. Then there's no job. Like the baseline right away is, can you keep up with the play then there's no job. Then there's no job. Like the baseline right away is can you keep up with the play for three periods? Because if you can't you can be the best official in the world at a lower level and that's great but if you can't make the transition to the NHL and up and down the ice up and

down the ice up and down the ice and break up fights and pick up pucks and pick up gloves and all these other types of things for 60 minutes with a break twice then you're not even gonna get a chance. But you know what? But hang on, I do see your point about one thing specifically, and that is over the last 10 years, there have been a lot of veteran officials that have left the game or they've been skated out because they just can't. So there's a lot of younger officials now in the game than they ever have. I'll push back on this a little bit. We've got four guys out there.

Like, you don't you don't have to be, you know, speed skating from one end of the other when you have four guys out there. And the other thing, too, is like, I will take the slower official. If you can look at a net and see a puck go in for some of these guys stand right there and say no goal, despite the puck having gone in the net. Like, give. Like give me a little bit older and slower with better eyes than some of the guys that are in the league right now. The thing is older and slower isn't going to get in the position that you need to be in to see that puck go in the net. You're betraying the play too much.

That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're in position and you can't do the job. That's my point with some of the people that are in this league right now. Like they've clearly hired athletes. They've tried to make them officials. And guess what? Some of the better officials that are- So how would you do it then?

Hold on, hold on. We have really good referees. This has been what's been told to me by people that are in the referee business. We have really good referees at lower levels who don't necessarily fit the template of what the NHL is looking for right now, which is, you know, better athletes, ex players that may not necessarily know the rule book and may not necessarily do the job as well as the other guys, but they're what they're looking for physically. And again, the state of officiating in the NHL every single night in the regular season, sometimes the playoffs, not exactly a fan favorite. And there's probably reasons for that.

Again, I'll ask you the same question. We've been doing this for how many years now. Do you expect officials to be better at their job than players are at theirs? Yes. I don't. Cause I, I assume officials by and large should be smarter than players. If I'm being honest. No, there's the, no, you know what I'm saying though. Like there's like smart and then there's hockey smart. I have not seen the perfect player, so I don't expect the perfect official I just don't but then this is like this is like the oldest argument we've ever had

You and I see this completely different Completely different. I'm fine with mistakes in the game if they happen Fine with it and I think that I until I see a perfect hockey player and they're gonna be like there'd be some officials That are like the hockey equivalent of Nick Lindstrom Mm-hmm, and then they're gonna be other officials that are the equivalent of insert whomever players 735 is in the NHL anyhow, I'm just happy we have a

robust replay system now to Pick up slow it slow down the game even more. So you stand around and give me your, give me your one minute. Uh, one minute on that, on that kick goal the other night, by the way, I'm curious about that. Took too long. Okay. Took, took way too long, but don't forget.

I'm, I'm also the guy that wants to make it fair to kick pucks in the net. Yeah, me too. We, I was just funny. I was just telling my wife about that, about like, I was describing the play to her and, uh, and I was saying like Merrick and I were always just like, we're all for, uh, by any means necessary scoring in this league, except for the idea of like people tap dancing with Ginzou knives on their feet around a goalie as he sprawled out in the crease. Like we don't want that to happen. Right. But my fuck's like the, like the, first of all, this ain't a kick. And then second of all, like I, I, I don't want that to happen, right? But kick fucks like this. Like first of all, this ain't a kick.

And then second of all, like I, I, I don't have any problem with, with the way that the Patrick played that thing. My point though, real quick was that if you go by the letter of the law, kick puck deflection off a goalie stick, it's spelled out in the rule book that it should be no goals. So I thought Scott Arneal had beef on that one, to be honest with you. Yeah. Had beef on that one to be honest with you. Yeah I Thought what he was doing wasn't an attempted shot on goal He's trying to do a stick. He was trying to either kick it to his stick or kick it to the slot

Mm-hmm is what I thought he's like keep it hot get it to the slot Keep it hot get to the slot. That's what I thought he was doing with that one And it just get to the slot. All right. It's kind of sexy, sexy time. Sexy time for you to wrap up the show here, Greg. Hey Chad, Ace here. Hey hon, I'm coming home, start stretching. Jeff just said something on the podcast. Oh God.

Oh, Ken Holland real quick. What'd you think? It makes the next Edmonton LA series even juicier all of a sudden. Why does it? Why does it? To be honest, I thought that, I really thought that Ken Holland was going to, I thought that Edmonton was going to be like the last sort last sort of, the last, the last hurrah for Kent Holland and that he, uh, he was going to piece out. But I, I guess like, you know, I always compliment players that are, and we've talked

about Peter Forsberg like this, like, you know, drag me off the ice. Like I am not going to quit, I'm not going to quit. I'm going to keep competing. Some guys are still wired just to keep on competing in their own way. And I think most managers that you ask who aren't managing now would die for a chance to get back in because just because there's not a job for you,

doesn't mean that all of a sudden your competitive juices are completely gone. My, my, my, my question is though, still, um, where are, where are more young managers coming from at this point? The thing about the NHL is Wish, in the last 20 years I want to say, we've seen something interesting happen here and that is when you and I were watching hockey as kids, the general managers were in their 60s and the coaches were in their 50s. Now managers are generally in their 50s and coaches are in their 40s. Players on the ice have gotten younger as have coaches as have general managers. That's not the case in this situation but your thoughts

on on Holland and LA. I was surprised too that he took that he's gonna take a GM gig like because he had been mentioned in so many places the Islanders the Sabres among them as being the president and then bringing in a younger GM as sort of running the day to day But if if what's motivating Kenny? Besides like geography of money is the chance to win one more. I mean of The choices of it's let's say the choices are the Islanders, Buffalo, and the Kings. It's obviously the Kings.

Kings, right? So from that aspect, it kind of makes sense. And from that aspect where the runway is short with Doughty and Copetar, I mean, like Fiala and Kempe are right in their prime. Like they're gonna have to win real soon if they're gonna win. And so like, if that's the modus operandi

and you wanna bring Kenny Hollidan who, you know, in the span of five years, bought the Oilers to one win away from winning the cup, like more power to you. Why not? He's a great mind in hockey. Not that I think that you're doing something just to get over the Edmonton Oilers hump.

But, and I was just on with Hilary Remtrak a couple of seconds ago before this program. And we're throwing this idea around. If you want to really make it, LA is loading up to beat the Oilers. I think that Jim Hiller is probably going to be fine here, but if he's not, Jay Woodcroft. That'd be a lot of fun. You know, Woodcroft and Holland against the Oilers? Come on. So hockey nepotism alert, sound the siren.

Obviously Robitaille plays for Holland in Detroit, wins his only cup as a player with Kenny as the GM. Jim Hiller, one year as an assistant in Detroit before going to Toronto under Kent Holland. So there is a little bit of the hockey nepotism. I know this guy type deal happening with Hiller that maybe keeps him in that job despite one of the most atrocious coaching jobs I've ever seen in the playoffs

against Edmonton in the first round. The thing about, I mean, anyone in Edmonton knows this. I mean, Detroit, you had no real choice because why would you want to change anything? But Ken's strong suit has always been, or at least his lead card has always been patience. Like he does not come in and say, all right, my team now,

I gotta get my thumbprint all over this one. That ain't Ken Holland. It's never been Ken Holland. You can understand why it wasn't in Detroit. Why would you change an All-Star team? But it wasn't as if he came into Edmonton breaking stuff and saying, I'm putting my stamp on any on all those. If anything, it was the opposite.

What a fun little notion. The the aisle of misfit oilers. Kenny Holland is the GM, Jay Woodcroft is the coach. Got Warren Fogel there. What are their cast offs? And can you rope in for that team? Mike Smith come back. You trade for Roburgan Holloway from the blues.

You know the board. Dude, who can Holland offer sheet now with the Edmonton? I mean, Bouchard. Bouchard. Oh my God. Yeah, Bouchard. Yeah. Like that's the one, right? like that's the one it teaches comes in

Just to completely assault the Edmonton Oilers The island of misfit toys this kind of does Connor consider Ken Holland like a grandfather Is that his enticement to leave Edmonton and sign with la go to los angeles kings, but just just like grats did just like grats That's right go from Edmonton to los angeles. All right. Well, I think enough damage has been done here Uh, this is lovely. We'll talk in seven days. Enjoy the action tonight and safe travels to Washington. You'll be good.

Thank you so much. Thanks, Chad. Chad's good. Chad's always good. We only got one game tonight. We got to wrap this thing up here. The Sheet powered by FanDuel, home of the same game Harley.

Make every moment more on FanDuel. FanDuel is proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. And the big news, as you can tell by our headline today, the return of Miro Heiskenen. Again, Peter DeBoer, you know what to do. The Finish Five, please make history. Heiskenen with Essel Lendell, keep your Grandland Hins forward unit together, and we're off to history. What do you make of this one? Where are you at on,

like I really want the Winnipeg Jets to hang in there because I really have a soft spot in my heart for Winnipeg, this team, and their fans. But part of me is just saying this could just be the turning point here with Hay Skinning coming back for the Dallas Stars to start steamrolling. He's one of the best defensemen in the entire NHL and has been so for a number of years here now. I just wonder Zach, but again, soft spot for the Jets.

That's where I'm at as well. Two things. One does not bode well for Winnipeg here being on the road given their goaltenders road history. And two, you're adding Miro Heiskin in to a team that has not just found a way to survive and just stay afloat, but being unbelievable to this point. And I'm like, man, that defense in Dallas, I don't know where you were at. I didn't trust them going into that this year. I picked Colorado in the first round. I thought that the D was going to be a problem. No high skin and I didn't like the depth that they had there. Every single guy in that Dallas D stepped up and elevated their game

has been beyond replacement level. Like it's just taking that next step and now you add Miro Heiskin in. And those guys who were playing that much more than they should have been in that roll up, they're gonna get bumped down. I'm like, my God. Like I just feel like they're just gonna be

one of those ones that doesn't get deterred by him coming back and thrown into the mix. Like it's not, it doesn't give me that vibe and then we're gonna come back and you're gonna be like, look at this idiot. It will look at what he said yesterday, but you're gonna come. I don't think it's one of those ones where it's like,

oh wow, you threw that guy in there. Really threw off the rhythm of stuff. Like I don't think that's gonna happen with Dallas. Yeah, I don't think so either. As we wrap up here, remind everybody what the title of the show is again today. Miraculous Comeback. Yeah. Mural Mural on the Ice. I wish

I had that one. That was really good Jeff. Really bad but really good. And Vic and I were laughing about this in Florida. You know which one I know secretly you wish you had? Which? Shots 8-1. I know deep down inside I got 99 problems but the Shots8 won is one that you really really wish you had in your hip pocket. Trademark Philly. Now now if it was my choice I would never hear that joke again. Which makes me want to say it even more. Ladies and gentlemen, whenever the shots are 8-1, please take a picture, take a screencap,

send it to your buddy Jeff and tag Zach Phillips. Can I ask you something quickly? Yeah, sure. Before, you brought up with Wish the whole Kachuck thing. I want to ask you something not related to that. Do you not think that Nylander was the wrong guy of the four for Kachuk to say that to? And I'm not saying because like, oh, Nylander is gonna go out there

and do something nuts to Kachuk or like somebody else. I just think Nylander is the guy that's unfazed by it. Like I just feel like he probably could have gone in somebody else's head. I don't think it's gonna work on Nylander. Maybe I'm wrong, but I want to know what you thought. I think Nylander was just the guy that happened to be there. Like that could have been anything.

If Austin Matthews was right there, he would have said it to Matthews. If Mitch Marner would have been there, he would have said it to, if, if, if Holmberg were there, he would have said it to him. I just think that Nylander just happened to be there. Like honestly, do you not think that if it was somebody else on the bench, Matthew Kachek would have said,

oh, can you move out of the way, please? So I can, so I can physically threaten Nylander down, down the bench. Like guys, can you move away? I want to I want to do no. Yeah 88. Yeah. No, no, no I want him. I want him. I just think that bad. I just didn't care and whoever was gonna be standing there He's be like you next game didn't matter. Who was it could have been Carlton the bear And he would have said the exact same thing like you next game. What I'm the beard Mark Savard I'm assistant coach. I'm the beard, Mark Savard, assistant coach. I'm the guy that celebrates goals. My coach gives me crap.

Let him get on the ice, Matt. Like, geez, calm down. That's what I think. Okay, that's fair. I think it could have been anybody. Thanks, Wiko Schinski, as always, for stopping by MVS Tuesdays are always a blast. Thanks to everybody who was in the chat today,

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