The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Nacho Fault ft. Andrew Brewer & Erin Ambrose

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Jeff Marek is joined by Andrew Brewer and Erin Ambrose to discuss video review, nachos on the ice, the Rangers/Senators game, team statements, and much more...Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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released last night about the suspension to Conor McDavid. Not going to do that. But what I am going to present is the suspension to Conor McDavid. Not gonna do that. But what I am gonna present is the way to release a statement. There is releasing a statement, then there's releasing a statement. Here's Edmonton last night. The Oilers organization is disappointed and we share in our fans frustration over the

three game suspension of our captain Connor McDavid. We support him through this process and the organization and our fans look forward to having him back in the lineup versus Seattle next week. Nice, tidy, clean, not offending anybody. Gentle statement by the Edmonton Oilers last night. Let's go back to 2022 and the New York Rangers. I'll remember Tom Wilson with our Temi Panarin and Pavel Bushnevich. The New York Rangers are extremely disappointed that Capitol's forward Tom Wilson was not suspended for his horrifying act of violence last night at Madison Square Garden.

Wilson is a repeat offender with a long history of these types of acts and we find it shocking that the NHL and their Department of Player Safety failed to take the appropriate action and suspend him indefinitely. Wilson's dangerous and reckless actions cause an injury to our Tammy Panarin that will prevent him from playing again this season. We view this as a dereliction of duty by the NHL's head player safety, George Paros, and believe he is unfit to continue in his current role. Big, bold, dumb, wrong, and awesome. That's how you release a statement.

Welcome to the sheet. A dereliction of beauty. This really was a Picasso. Like it really was. Like, you know, in a lot of ways you can paint two things. I always say this after bad games or bad wins. You say, well, you know what? Sometimes you paint a Picasso and sometimes you can paint two things. I always say this after bad games or bad wins. You say, well, you know what? Sometimes you paint a Picasso and sometimes you paint a barn.

The Euler's statement was painting a barn or the Rangers statement. Now they were fined as well, $250,000 by the NHL for the statement that was a Picasso. Again, big, bold, dumb, wrong and awesome. There are statements, then there are statements. And as I mentioned last night on TwitterX, as the Edmonton Oilers came out to defend

and comfort their fan base and comfort, give comfort to Connor McDavid for this three game suspension. Somewhere there's Evan Bouchard saying, I got cross-checked in the face. I'm not, I'm looking at the statement here, I'm Evan Bouchard,, I got cross-checked in the face. I'm not, I'm looking at this statement here, I'm Evan Bouchard, I'm looking at the statement, I don't see, I got cross-checked in the face,

but Connor McDavid is somehow the victim in all of this. I got cross-checked in the face, right in the teeth, by the big guy, Tyler Myers. But the statement's just about Connor as the victim because of his three game suspension. Anyhow, welcome to the program. Andrew Burr is going to be aboard. Andrew is going to talk to us about video review. Andrew is going to walk us through the life of someone that does video review for a living

and the stress that these people are under. I'm going to, you know, one of the things I don't want to get into with that, with Andrew and Zach, I'm curious your thoughts on this one as well. Much like police officers don't like all the charges they have to make. Like there are some laws that I'm sure police officers look at and go, oh look I don't like this but I got to do it because it's my job. I wonder how many people, how many video coaches look at certain things that they have to do, like, oh, here we go, another offside review.

Look at them and say, do we, do I really have to do this? I really don't like doing this. I know everybody hates it. I know we used to say it's a game of inches and now it's a game of pixels. I really wonder Zach, how many video coaches are like, oh oh I'm so sick of doing this what do you think? I'm sure the ones that are like the most I don't want to say tiki-taki but the ones that are as you said pixels those are the ones they're like yeah man like you're gonna make me look at this you're gonna make me throw

the flag on this play and hold things up because also Jeff to that point they know that this one's gonna take ten, they know that this one's gonna take 10 minutes. They know that this one's gonna have everyone at home sitting around going, it's obviously offside or it's obviously not offside and then you're gonna come away and half people are pissed and there's just no way to make everyone happy and they're like, I'm gonna derail this game.

So Andrew's a fascinating guy. Has his own company. We'll talk about that with Andrew coming up in a couple of seconds. But Andrew was responsible for the very first coaches challenge in NHL history 2015. Your Toronto Maple Leaf, Zach. Mike Babcock behind the band, Chandler Brewer, video coach. An incident involving Jonathan Bernier. That was the very first coaches challenge.

So we'll take a look back at 2015 and we'll talk about the nature of video coaches and what they do now. Also, Aaron Ambrose will stop by. Aaron from the Montreal Victoire of the PWHL, they have a new executive director who is taking over on March 3rd. I will talk to Berkey about that on Friday

because he has until March 3rd. And he's maintained that when he did the contract with the PWHL, only wanted to do it for two years then hand it over to someone else. We'll talk to her about their new executive director. Also, we should probably talk to her about why she's the first star of the week. Zach Phillips, five points will do that for you, I suppose.

And we should talk to her about Quebec City as a potential expansion destination for the PWHL Onboard today daily outlines presented by our fans our friends at FanDuel North America's number one sportsbook app provider And coming up on the show today, you know, it's funny yesterday Our number one topic was or maybe not number one But like our at least our our advertising page for the show was Clayton Keller's face. And what's the one thing we didn't talk about yesterday? Clayton Keller's face. It's on the sheet today.

That was the cheese in the trap to try to get people to watch the show and listen to the show and participate in the show. I didn't even mention it once. The Rangers and the Ottawa Senators. And an interesting one last night. Are the Rangers back? Are you believing in this is it fool's gold or is it legit the Rangers beating the Ottawa Senators and We almost saw Brady Kachak fight Igor Sesturkin in that one which would have been a very interesting sidebar To all of those festivities. We're gonna talk about nachos and weird things hitting the ice. We've seen waffles I've seen waffles on the ice. I was really disappointed and I understand why they did it but I remember when the

waffles hit the ice the Maple Leafs broadcast deliberately cut away from the waffles as to not produce a lasting image that would have been with the team for years and years and years. There were plenty of photographs for it, but the home broadcaster cameras away. Anyhow, Corey Perry and Nachos. Andrew Brewer, as I mentioned, stopping by the program. We'll talk about the life of someone who does video review for a living. So very much looking forward to talking to Andrew, one of the smartest guys in the game, two great observations. A really sharp guy. Erin Ambrose, I mentioned, for the Montreal Victoire. She will be aboard from the PWHL's number one team and Are we gonna do Clayton Keller's face? Are we gonna do that?

We're actually gonna get her we should might want to lead with it and maybe just sort of Jeff How about this one? Okay, what else we got? I was supposed to go with Elmer last night Elmer Soderblom of the Detroit Red Rings getting the call up was a season debut yesterday. Not his NHL debut but his season debut. Well the only point that I wanted to make about that one. So I'll just throw this out there. Elmer is a

really unique name and we've only seen to my knowledge two in the NHL. Historians will correct me on this one. Any in the chat, anyone listening, maybe it's a quick Google search that'll end it, but Elmer Locke and Elmer Moosefasco, to my knowledge are the only Elmers in the history of the NHL.

You just don't see Elmers. Now, you don't get a lot of people called Elmer these days. It's not really a Naming any parents in the crowd. I never thought for one second. I'm naming either of my boys Elmer, but nonetheless I'm thinking about a pretty cool. You opted for your favorite movie. Jaws. I almost had to yeah I wanted 40 quints my two favorite characters in Jaws, but I had to settle for Brody Quinn You know what the other name is? Just real quick as an aside, considering how cool a name Rogge is, like Rogge Vachon, like one of the, first of all, one of my favorite goaltenders, one of the best goaltenders of all time, loved them. That performance in 1976 Canada Cup is

epic and is one for the ages and a small goalie too. Considering how cool a name Rogi is in that short form for Rogatien, I'm surprised we haven't seen more Rogis. Like it's a very specific Quebecois name, why aren't there more Rogis in the history of the NHL? Zach, as I can see you probably furiously typing, Rogivachan, such a cool name. I'm trying to see like what other ice cream's

coolest names. Yeah, Roggie Vashon is such a cool name. Mr. Public Pain in the chat says, Roggetian. Yeah, that's right. Brian D. That civilian distracted Logan Thompson by throwing nachos. First of all, I'll always say this. Do we have the viz of this, first of all all for anyone that missed it last night this Edmonton

Washington game last night? The first game without Connor McDavid. Oh my fainting couch. What are we going to do? Meanwhile Vancouver Canucks without Tyler Myers dropped one of the Buffalo Sabres but they got their own issues. You want to show this one here real quick, Corey Perry, did his blades actually go through the cheese? You know, watch Perry on the on the left side. Yeah, the skates kind of go through the nacho cheese and Logan Thompson starts pointing at the cheese like, what gives? I was distracted by the cheese. First of all, folks, don't throw things on the ice. You go to a game, do not. Yeah, that's right, yeah, that cheese eating grin

of Corey Perry. Assist to the nacho chips and cheese. Don't do that. I know we're having a laugh at it, and maybe by extension I guess I'm kind of encouraging it here because we're all sort of giggling about it, laughing about it in the chat, and you and I are having a nice little giggle about it.

Don't throw things on the ice. I giggle at a lot of things no I know I listen I'm gonna place in my life right now, right just want to laugh. I don't care I can't do serious sports guy anymore. I can't do the furrow brow. I can't believe that that's always been a pet peeve The I can't believe what can't you believe in sports? What do you mean? You've seen everything? I can't believe this is happening sure you can it happens over and over again. I can't believe they did this I'm sure you can it happens all time You know that you know the the angry sports guy that can't believe anything anymore and is so stunned like

You've been in the business for 20 years. How can you be stunned every single day? Tiny things that I'm so surprised. No, you're not Don't throw things on the ice now having said that I do want to tell one quick story Roger Nielsen by the way Colby Cohen I had an interesting conversation yesterday Colby his family knew Roger Nielsen when he coached in Philadelphia Roger and his dad became Quite close. I believe if I have I remember the conversation correctly that I had with Colby the other day Yesterday as a matter of fact, but what Roger used to do when he was the head coach of the Peterborough Pets of the OHL,

speaking of throwing things on the ice. So Roger would always use his timeout early. Like the first time he needed a pause, he would use his timeout because he would have a couple of high school kids behind the Peterborough Pets bench. And if he needed another timeout later in the game he sort of gave the wink or the nod or whatever the code was for the kids to do this eggs eggs a couple of eggs would hit the ice Roger would get his time Roger was but

again but again but again I am not encouraging you to throw anything on the ice. Thankfully, we haven't seen injuries because of it, and let's keep it that way. Keep your nachos to yourself. Getting dressed should be simple. If you're like me, you wanna look good, feel comfortable, and be ready for anything. That's why I love Dürer. It's not active wear, but it's not just fashion.

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because that seems to be the cheesy delicious topic of the day. Andrew Brewer joins us here on the sheet, the maiden voyage. I've wanted to talk to Andrew for quite some time here and he joins me now. Andrew, how are you today my friend? Glad to have you aboard. I want to open up by, I'm not sure if you saw the video from last night or the viz from last night, with Corey Perry skating through nacho cheese before one timing a puck past a very stunned Logan Thompson. Washington still won the game but nonetheless you have to laugh about it I suppose but at the same time encourage

people not to throw things on the ice. Thank you very much. Your thoughts on this one? I love your story too about throwing eggs on the ice for delay of game. Roger. And taking it back to, I have a theory that coaches ruin everything. They've ruined three on three over time with taking the puck back. That's why you have to always be willing to change the rules. The coaches were just game plan around it. But I take it back to the Vancouver issue with Connor Garland and

Connor McDavid may as well keep that in the news no one else is talking about it these days. Oh yeah it's pretty quiet. But to me the biggest issue is hey is that the plan now is that your last 20 seconds of a game you just completely goon completely mug the best player on the other team okay bear hug them do whatever you have to do to interfere with them. So again, I'll circle it back. There's a lot there. I'm glad you got us there really quickly. Again, I'll go back to Roger Nilsson. Roger Nilsson was a guy with under two minutes left. If his team was killing off a five on three, as soon as the puck would drop, he'd throw someone over the boards. And they'd be like, okay, well, there's another minor penalty.

Well, okay, it's still going to be a five on three. And that's why that rule was changed, was because of Roger Nilsen. Roger Nilsen initiated a number of rule changes. My favorite one was the penalty shot where he would put, when he was coaching Peterborough, Ron Stackhouse, who later went on to star on the Pittsburgh Penguins blue line. He put Ron Stackhouse in net for penalty shots. And the forward would grab the puck at center ice and Stackhouse would charge out, meet the forward, the blue line, quick little poke,

and the penalty shot is over. That's why in every rule book now, you have to have a goalie in net for penalty shots. And that's because of Roger Nelson and Ron Stackhouse. I think Stackhouse went seven for seven one year with the Peterborough Pets, if I'm not mistaken. But back to your point, coaches ruin everything. They find ways around all of it.

Okay, but I'm not here to talk about nachos with you. I wanna talk about video review. And first of all, before we talk about where video review is at right now, take us back to 2015. And it's Plakanets and Berenier and it's goalie interference and you're the video coach for the Toronto Maple Leafs Mike Babcock is behind the coach behind the bench take us through that entire scenario and

Zach if you if you have the viz if you can roll it sort of behind yours as Andrew talks through it That would be great. Take us through the the very first, because you're responsible for it, coach's challenge for goalie interference. In some ways that may have been the easiest challenge in history because there was no precedent at that point. So I got hired in 2015 to be the Toronto Maple Leafs alongside Mike Babcock. So as this play is going on, this is game one of the season, Wednesday night, Hockey Night in Canada on Sportsnet. It's the big game, the start of the NHL season. This is, I believe it's early in the second period. And as you can see, we're on the bench,

we have no idea what's happening because we're not used to having a challenge. But I'm in the video room, hey, everything you're looking at, one of the angles is the above net angle. And on the above net angle, you can see right now, Bernie gets hit in the head. So, you know, one of the things that video coaches have learned is you look at the body language of the goalie, you have a goalie that's upset, you can see I'm speaking to Jim Hiller right now. He's telling Mike Babcock, let's challenge it. And you know, no one's ever done that before. So we're, we're just kind of going through the motions. And then and then hey that ended up being the

first goal that was ever called back in NHL history. What was the nature of the conversation like when we see you there you can see you know Hiller's got his earpiece in and he's obviously having a conversation with you what was the conversation did you have to talk him into it because as you mentioned this is Virgin Territory, maiden voyage we've never we've never seen this before and he's talking to Mike Babcock. Do you remember? And there's an ad from Kadri going like, are we really doing this? Are we really doing this? Can you remember the exact conversation? I don't remember the exact conversation, but I'll give Mike a lot of feedback. He lets other people do their own thing and he said, hey,

Abreu, you're in charge of this and don't make me look like an idiot. And, hey, I'm sure I did make him look like an idiot a few times. And again, that's another thing that coaches ruin by challenging all the time. That's why we had too many challenges. They put the penalty. That's a whole other conversation. But, yeah, I'm no, it's going to be as clear as possible. I mean, you get 20,000 people yelling. There's a lot of noise. You only had, you know, back then they were really strict about 30, 40 seconds to decide if you were going to challenge or not. So it's a quick decision.

Hey, do you want to challenge? Yes or no? Hey, let's challenge this. It was goalie interference. He hit him in the head. And yeah, this was before there were monitors on the bench as well. So back then, remember when we first started,

they didn't have the screens on all the benches. Yep. You know, I would imagine too Those the the moments when the challenge has been issued between when the challenge is issued and the verdict For a video coach that must be Incredibly stressful knowing that in some cases like I think about you know, the the Kale McCargo against the Edmonton Oilers, we could be talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars,

hinging on your belief that this goal should either count or not count. Like how much, how much stress do video coaches, because it's gonna be the head coach that wears it, because it's the head coach that says, we challenge. But you guys know this isn't the coach's decision. This is the video coach's decision. How much stress is there for these video coaches, including yourself? It's huge. I go back to actually my last game I coached in the NHL. We had two challenges in game four of the playoffs, second round against Tampa when I was with the Florida Panthers. And one of them was a puck over glass.

And I basically challenged it based off of the body language of Andre Pallet. And with that, I didn't have a definitive angle saying, hey, this is definitely a penalty or this is definitely puck over glass. This is definitely no goal. Let's call this. So basically if we get it wrong, they're going to power play. Hey, Kuturov's pretty good in that situation. They got Stamkos on the other side, probably not going to be a good

situation. So actually, you know, I wear an Apple watch and my heart rate was up to 140. I'm sitting in a coach's room in the bowels of Emily Arena, my heart rate is 140 beats per minute. So it's an incredible amount of stress. And this is where I've done presentations and password. Video coaches are really the most underpaid position in the NHL in the sense of the value of the decisions that they made are so incredible. If you look at game six last year and the decisions that the video coaches made for the Edmonton Oilers to challenge the goal that forced game seven and the amount of money I go back to the year before when Florida went to the Stanley Cup finals when they lost to Vegas,

Miles feed, John congemi had a challenge in game at six, I think in Boston, hand pass, but no one on the bench saw the only people saw it were Miles and John. And because they saw that, they changed the momentum in the game, they got the goal back. Do they go to the Stanley Cup finals without Miles and John calling that goal back? So it's the most valuable position and it's the most underpaid position for the value and the cost to a franchise. If you get that wrong, there's no, and we all know how many home gates make in the playoffs. You're $3 million home gate, $3 million. So you're looking at millions and millions of dollars on the line for these decisions. So they are massively underpaid. I'll stick up for the video coach union on this one.

It should be, uh, you know, one of the highest paid coaching positions in the sport. Let me throw out a range then. I, I've been led to believe that the range for video coaches for salary is between 75 to 150. Am I too light? Am I too heavy or am I right on the money there? You're right on the money. Hey, you always have outliers, a few above, a few below, different markets, different situations,

but you're right. So going back to when I started in the league in 2015 or 2014, Hey, that's a fair range. That was before a goal interference challenges before all the challenges. But when you look at, I always go back to, yeah, hey, you know, it's 150. That seems like a lot of money. But when you look at what the retail manager of Lululemon at, you know, the mall in Toronto and Oakville is making, It's not that much money for the amount of decisions or the amount of

Financial decisions that are on the line with every decision that video coach makes so we've got a question in the chat here We have a few actually John bank arts asks have you ever felt like you made the wrong choice on a call many times you doubted yourself Andrew Brewer wrong choice on a call. How many times you doubted yourself, Andrew Brewer? I made a mistake before, I'll take full credit. Game one of the playoffs, our first time against Boston, not the 2013 series, but it would have been I think 2018. Game one in Boston, there was an offside on the first goal of the game about four minutes

in. We didn't have the game about four minutes in. We didn't have the angle in the coaches room. They showed it on the NESN broadcast on the Hawkeye. I was capturing the game on the Sportsnet feed on the NESN broadcast, which was on the Hawkeye machine. We didn't see it on the replay because we were on camera. So we didn't see the replay on the Sportsnet feed until after the puck was dropped. And we didn't have enough replay on the sports net feed until after the puck was dropped

And we didn't have enough time to make the decision So I had a missed call on the playoffs and you know a little bit is hey There's frustration with the league from a technical standpoint that they weren't providing we didn't feel they were providing what? We needed to make the best decision in the you know the 35 seconds, but at the end of the day Hey, I made a mistake that cost us a goal in the, you know, the 35 seconds, but at the end of the day, hey, I made a mistake that costs us a goal in the playoffs. So, um, you know, we, for every glory moment you have, like the one that, um, you know, my first game in Toronto where you, uh, help win a game, you have another moment like that where you fail. So that's part of the journey.

Do you hear it from the head coach when that happens? I'm sure you've heard stories about it too. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, Hey, it's, hey, it's everything goal interference, no coach is going to give the video guy a little time for it. If you guys can't figure out, you know, you make your best decision on goal interference. Stuff like offside though, that's kind of your job to understand and make sure that you're making the right decision on that.

So yeah, you definitely hear it from the coach to a certain extent. You know, I've been lucky enough to work with a million different coaches. So each has their own way of handling it and each have their own kind of ways. But in general, it's a team sport and even people, you may not see eye to eye with, they're so supportive of it because they know how challenging the rule is

and how challenging the whole process is. Do you, oh, you know what? Here's one I'll ask you. I mentioned it roughly a couple of seconds ago, the McCarr situation with the Edmonds and Oilers from a couple of years ago. Did you know that was onside? Yeah, I did know that was onside. Um, again, it's almost like you have to be a lawyer in the sense that you have to know all the precedents because not only is there the rule book they also for plays like offside they have past precedents and past examples that

they've had that show it so in that situation yeah I was my god geez that one is you know it's onside that's the right call it's the right situation hey and you know goal interference I don't know any better than anybody else. I don't have a better insight than probably the average fan. In that situation, I did. But that's why the video coaches have to work so hard. Every day you're downloading all the goal interference calls that are turned over and all the calls around the league that are overturned just so you kind of know all the nuances. There's been situations where players have been have left the ice you know remember that there's always been rule changes that have come

every year remember how the plane of the blue line changed in the past few years as well so you always have to try to stay up on the roll and you try to have to study and and kind of know all the precedents and know all the different rules that have been set around different situations in the league okay I want to tell you the concept of a show that I used to always pitch at the old company and it never went anywhere. Hopefully I can do it here. So, and you would be the perfect person to do it with.

Have you ever gone back to look at some of the most famous goals in hockey history. Henderson 72, Crosby Vancouver, Gretzky LeMieux in 87, Nystrom in 1980. Like think of like the most famous goals we've ever seen. To go back and check the zone entry to see if it was onside. Essentially taking modern technology or modern thought and taking it backwards and asking yourself how Brett Hull foot in the crease 99. Maybe we shouldn't be focusing on the foot in the crease. Maybe we should be focusing on the offside. Go back and look at all the goal famous goals in history.

Try to figure out which ones based on today's standard would have been called back. Well, I mean, you mentioned goal interference. That's like if you take goal interference and even penalty standards, the amount of penalties and obstruction that would be done on the zone entry. But yeah, 100 percent. I'm sure there's situations where there's massive goals that have counted that would have never counted. And, you know, I talked with Joe Quinville.

He'll talk about in the past. Oh, you win this cup because in this situation you got you know you're playing in game seven they screw up a call it was a high stick and you see after the game that it wasn't a high stick and they score on that you score on the power play so you win game seven then you go on to the next series and the goalie's hurt there's so much in hockey it's such an even coin flip sport that the smallest things the smallest margins that, if you go back like, and not only had it for offside, but hey,

they're on the power plane in that situation because they called it a high stick and they gave him a four for drawing blood. Well, it was his own teammates stick that caused him to draw blood and it wouldn't even be a penalty in today's day and age. Like how much of the game is influenced by that? So absolutely it would.

The sport is so fast. It's so close. The players are so good. Anything can happen. How much do video coaches thank Matt Duchenne for guaranteeing them employment, for going offside against Nashville? Like, I think there was, I think there was actually, it wasn't just Matt Duchenne. I think Alec Martinez, there was another incident. Like I think there was actually, it wasn't just Matt Duchenne, I think Alec Martinez.

There was another incident with I think with Martinez in Los Angeles, I think it was the two of them that sort of got the ball rolling on offside reviews, et cetera, but how much of video coaches, Andrew look at Matt Duchenne and say, let's make sure he gets a Christmas card every year? Well, I mean, was that. I feel like it was your room in Philadelphia It was something along the same lines there that like it was just so egregious and it feels like every year to there's a new

Situation that something happens. There was the Was it a hand pass and Vegas and the Vegas San Jose series that Was it a hand pass in Vegas and the Vegas San Jose series that leads to them adding more rules and oh Yes, Timo Meyer, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right in front of the net. Yes. Yes, you're right And then they added hand passes. So correct. Yeah, I think to a certain extent Matt Duchenne is gonna check the mail but half of it might be gifts and half of it might be exploding So there's some guys that are frustrating with situations like that. And life was easier back when we didn't have to worry about these things, but at the end of the day,

there's a lot of opportunities for people in the sport now because of it. Okay, you know what I think about a lot, not a lot, but you know what I think about occasionally? How much time in a game doesn't count? Like I'll look at a game, any game, and we can do this tonight. There's four games on the go around the NHL. How many times as a video coach have you flagged that was an illegal entry, but nothing happened? And essentially, let's say that 35 seconds in the offensive zone doesn't really count because if a goal

was scored, it would have come back. So essentially that is like 35 seconds of empty calorie hockey because no matter what happened, a goal, it wasn't really going to count. Like a penalty would count, certainly, but as far as anything in the offensive is all culminating in a goal, wouldn't have counted. Now, player doesn't score, puck comes back out, the game continues, but I always think about that 35 seconds

that wasn't going to count. Like I just wonder, like how much empty calorie hockey, I don't know if you've ever done this, how much empty calorie hockey have you seen in a game where an entire sequence wouldn't count because they didn't score a goal but the entry was bad so it wouldn't count it anyway? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, never like officially looked at it but to be honest, I gotta give refs credit or more specifically linesman. It's incredible for how fast and how hard it is

to call it right, how often they get it right. So I'd say on average, there's my understanding, you know, just from the games that I've done is maybe two to three times a game where they, they missed the offside, where every play is reviewed, every entry is reviewed. One guy's coding the game in like a huddle sports code The other guy's gonna be going and running the Hawkeye reviewing every single entry basically keeping an eye on the stitch every situation But it's a really only two or three situations per game now the question I had kind of on that

Point though used to disagree with Jim Hiller in the sense of okay last two minutes of the game We have an illegal entry. My opinion was, you know, six on five, we should come back if we know we're offside, we should regroup, come out of the zone, regroup for no reason basically, and then re-attack because, hey, to your point, count it. His opinion was you should not,

you should still try to score, and then they would reset the clock to because they'll reset the clock to whatever it was going to get set to. So that was like a, you know, just a coaching thing. Hey, do you try to still score and try to get the goal or do you, cause they're going to reset the clock to the time of the offside or do you regroup and just try to play legally? That I had never thought about that before.

That would be wild to watch a coach pulling his team out of the offensive zone, knowing that the zone entry was bad and they wanted to keep possession to attack again. That is one thing I had never considered. How deep of a discussion did that go and who else on the bench weighed in on that one? That's interesting. Well, I mean those are the discussions. The best thing and the

worst thing about being an NHL coach is you're in a 10 by 10 room with these guys for 18 hours a day and you just talk about everything and you have these big discussions and big fights and big, you and you just talk about everything. And you have these big discussions and big fights and big, you know, you talk about absolutely everything and every kind of concept and every silly idea you've ever had. And I tend to be someone with probably a few more silly ideas than others, you know, from family killing to angels.

I, you know, I'm very much a change the sport kind of guy. But that, for me, that was was my thing is you know, I just You know, I think that you should get off the ice when you have a broken stick in most situations You know, so you'll I remember fighting with DJ Smith for hours and hours over, you know Whether you should leave the ice because the broken stick Yeah You know, I used to play with Brendan Shanahan about you know The push on the back of the pants from the stick of the players,

you know, the speed boost, is that a useful thing? So those are kind of the joy arguments that you get into with a coaching staff. Take us through your logic. I mean, you're pretty much making yourself a pile on out there when you lose your stick and right away, the other team just starts to attack your position because you can do essentially nothing with it. How is that conversation about if you lose your stick you should go to the bench? That's the wiser thing than being out there and maybe trying to lie down and block a shot. Yeah, and I don't have any math to this clear answer.

It just how many times have you been watching the game and you've see okay well there's a broken stick and then the other team just exploits it for the next yes You know forty seven seconds and they just keep on attacking that one individual player and you're like well in You know four seconds you could have skate to the bench got a new stick and reskated into the play and yeah You would have been down say five on four in those you know seven seconds that it took you to get to the bench But it's better than essentially being down, you know five versus four point two five for you know, seven seconds that it took you to get to the bench, but it's better than essentially being down, you know, five versus four point two five for, you know, 40 seconds. So sometimes I feel like, hey, we, you know, we try to stay in and we block shots and we see all these ones where it works

out and it's, you know, sexy guys are blocking three, four shots with no stick. But I think there's a ton of situations where we just kind of don't realize it. Hey, they, the guy, they attack the guy with no stick and they score a goal. And while we just write it off because the guy had no stick. Okay. Let me ask you, um, every year I sort of have one thing that I try to force on the game, try to force on everybody that'll listen. And you're a creative thinker.

What do you think about this one? I don't see any reason outside of faceoffs after goals or faceoffs to start the period, although with the power play, I would change that. Why you should have neutral zone face-offs. Puck's too far away from the net. You trying to encourage more offense. How about this for an idea? Video coach, Andrew Brewer, you go offside, Puck comes back into

your zone for a face-off, no neutral zone face-offs. Your thoughts? 100%. So there's roughly 61 and a half face-offs in a game. About 20 of those take place in the neutral zone. And after specifically you eliminate offensive blue face-offs. Those are the worst face-offs in hockey because if you're on the offensive blue line, if you win that, your only real situation is to dump the puck and it's almost impossible to get a controlled entry right after a neutral zone offensive blue face-off. After a neutral zone defensive blue face-off, same idea. You're trying to basically go, you've got nine guys or ten guys in the neutral zone. It always leads to a dumb puck.

Dumped puck leads to less offense and possession entries. After every offensive zone face-off, one or about 20% of after our zone face-offs is going to be a scoring chance. So any team in the league, no matter whether they're good, bad, 20% of the time when they win a face-off, they get a scoring chance.

So if you take those 20 face-offs that you're doing in the neutral zone which are from awful hockey from dumped pucks in or people that are dumping pucks in you put them in the offensive zone or defensive zone that's gonna lead to more offense. 100% no-brainer it wouldn't affect anything in the game there's no history of the game people forget that they used to drop the puck like a foot inside the blue line back in the 1990s. Yes. Yes. They used to have face-offs all over the ice in the most ridiculous places.

It's one of the stupidest things that we do within the sport. And it's the worst hockey. And it's one of the easiest ways to create offense. Let's create more offense without hurting anything. This is a 100% no-brainer. Do it right after the Four Nations. I just want some silence right there, Andrew, because that's where Zach is going to cut it. And whenever I have this discussion and anyone challenges me on it, I'm just going to play your response. I'm going to keep this on my phone. And anytime I have this discussion with anyone, I'm just going to play your response. Listen, we we gotta do this one again. There's so many other things to get into with video coaching and video coaches. But before I let you go, 200 foot coaching, 200fthockey.com.

Tell us about the website, tell us about the business. Yeah, so I'm lucky enough to, when I worked in the NHL, work with 28 different NHL head coaches, including I think nine of the top 20 in wins. I'm lucky enough to learn from all the top voices in the games. I'm trying to help organizations. So whether you're a youth hockey organization, whether you're a junior team or a pro team, anything you need. So consulting, skills, video, kind of you name it, I do it. A 200-foot game means doing everything on the ice,

200 foot off the ice, 200 foot hockey, is doing everything off the ice to help your organization have success. So I do that, I'm the owner of 200 foot hockey and 200 foot coaching. Also work for a great company called Fast Model Sport. Coach development, or coach software, player development, practice planning,

lots of great tools to help coaches teams be more efficient used by a third of the NHL. And I also, I love Elite Prospects. So I have to, you started with Elmer's. So, you know, I always talk all the time about Elite Prospects. It is the fourth Elmer to play in the NHL. I'm on EliteProspects.com. It is the fourth Elmer to play in the NHL. I'm on League of Legends.com. Elmer Soderblom, Elmer Locke, LACH, Vasco, and Maracle. So, four Elmers have played in the NHL. Okay, so I missed out on one. Who was I? I had Locke, I had Vasco, obviously Soderblom. Who was the one that I missed on? Miracle played 11 games in the NHL. He's a big Detroit Pontiacs guy. Played 11 games for the Rangers in the 30-31 season. You should know that, Jeff.

Go to the box and feel ashamed, Merrick. That's embarrassing. Turn in your hockey historian card, Merrick. Andrew, you're the best pal. Let's do this again real soon, okay? Thanks for having me. Getting dressed should be simple. If you're like me, you want to look good, feel comfortable, and be ready for anything. That's why I love Dürer. It's not active wear, but it's not just fashion. It's the best of both worlds, where performance meets style.

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hey, like the conversation about going to the bench to get your stick instead of just lying down in front of pucks. That's a really interesting one or getting out of the zone when you know the entry's at offside and it's coming back. Fascinating. Wanna tell you about our friends at Turo first of all, before we get to Aaron Ambrose.

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I can get you in. We're playing all afternoon on Saturday. What are the Victoire doing? You can come on my ticket, my dime. We've got a week off here, Jeff Merrick. Do you really? I will meet you in Jasper. I will be doing the show in Jasper on Friday. And then we will be driving early Friday morning from Edmonton to Jasper. So you are very welcome. You can be the ringer on my team.

I haven't seen my team yet, but I can't. What's that? Why have I not gotten the invite? I'm actually like pretty hurt by this. It's embarrassing. We'll talk off here and I'll pull some money off the tree in the backyard and we'll get I could use a good right shot defenseman. Use a good right shot defender on the team,

specifically one that registered five assists last week in the PWHL. Congratulations, come on Dionne Franciel, La Premier Etoile, the first star. Yeah, that was, it was needed, but I think more than that, like that was a big six points for us as a group. You kind of looked at takeover tour. It was a lot. I think like when

we talked, we were heading to Denver when you and I talked. You were in the Vancouver airport on your way to Denver. So we had four points in our two games and I mean four out of nine points, not ideal, but also not awful. But to come back and get six points, I think was huge for us at home. Well, at home and then in Quebec City as well. Let me ask you about Quebec City. You know, it's the, and I'll just be fully transparent here. Every time, like every takeover tour game,

afterwards I say, oh yeah, that's gotta be the expansion market. You know, I can see like the US record broken in Denver. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they gotta go to Denver. I see the crowd in Vancouver is like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they gotta go to Denver. I see the crowd in Vancouver's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no brainer. And then I see Quebec City and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, Videotron Center, yeah, yeah, that's gotta be the spot.

Let me ask you about Quebec City, because I grew up in a WHA and NHL that had their Quebec Nordiques, and the rivalry between Montreal and Quebec to me was, and no offense to the Battle of Ontario or the Battle of Alberta, but the Quebec City Montreal rivalry cut down so many different lanes. It wasn't just team versus team. It was like brewery versus brewery.

It was like Molson versus Carling O'Keeffe. It was like different forms of Quebecois citizens against one another. It cut down so many different lines and I just kind of like fantasize in my hockey world that in the PWHL there's a Quebec versus Montreal. How many of your teammates and maybe how many conversations did you have about,

this would be a cool rival for the Victoire. Yeah I think we had the mayor of Quebec City come in after the game we actually met him on the Saturday night a bunch of us went in to Quebec City and after the game the mayor came into the dressing room and he said like I don't know if I've ever actually cheered for a Montreal team before which is 100% fair but I also think like it just kind of the Like we had a lot of support but I also think it was almost like Is this right should we be cheering for Montreal team like we are the best city It was pretty interesting to see Um, I mean they 18 000 plus they showed up. That's for sure. Yeah Uh, i've only been to that rink once it was for a um chl top prospects game

Uh, I was at the last game ever at lacolle Se, was Memorial Cup, was Oshawa versus Colona. Leon Dreisle, the star for Colona, but Anthony Sorelli, someone that you know, was the star of that game for the Oshawa, general, scored the last goal ever. You okay there? What are you dropping Ambrose? Yeah, it's Henry, he wants to say hi. Oh, is that your pooch? I was gonna say like, how do you get through a day Ambrose? How do you make it through? Anyway, so Anthony Sorelli scores like the last goal in the history of the

Coliseum and I remember leaving and taking pictures and then Videotron Center sort of right across there. Um, what do you think about Quebec City as a, I asked you about that. I asked you about Vancouver last week. What do you think about Quebec City as an expansion market for the PWHL? I think it makes a lot of sense. Um, I think that, I mean, we were fortunate enough to do the three West Coast cities and three West Coast

stops, but I think that we all know the logistical side of that happening that is a little bit more of a nightmare. So I think that's a nightmare. Just get a travel sponsor to come along. Just get a travel sponsor. Let's go. Seattle, Vancouver, travel sponsor travel sponsor to come along just get a travel sponsored. Let's go Seattle Vancouver travel sponsored done There you go. You're not wrong. You're not wrong But you also have the people aka the Jeff Merrick's of the world that say it's probably gonna be expansion Probably East Central first and then make your way out west So in that sense, yeah, that city makes a lot of sense and I think that there's a lot of, the rivalry of Montreal, Quebec City

could be kind of brought back to life with us in the PWHL, which I think would be fantastic for the game. So I think it makes a lot of sense. Henry is making a ruckus, I apologize. Can we get a Henry cameo here on the sheet? Can Henry come in? Yeah, he's, yeah, hold on. Hey, let's get a Henry cameo here on the sheet? Can Henry come here? Yeah, he's, yeah, hold on. Hey, let's get a Henry cameo here. This is Aaron Ambrose.

This is near and dear to Aaron's heart is Henry. You've heard her talk about Henry before. Now you can hear Henry in the background. And now we're gonna, I think the first time that, I think Ambrose, like the first time that I spoke to you was when me and Elliot was during COVID and we were talking to you and I think Henry was the star of the interview.

He was, see now he's gonna act camera shy and won't look in the camera. Oh, Henry. Henry, over here bud. Henry, yo, what's up bud? Come on bud, bud, over here. No, no, look in the camera, look in the camera. Here we go Henry, mom's the star.

Directly in the camera. Mom's the star, mom's the star, but right over here. So this is the infamous Henry. Okay, this is, we have the real first star, no offense Ambrose. You know, one of the great things last season, we've talked about this a couple of different times, was the ovation at the Bell Center

for Marie-Philippe Poulin. I've heard that building loud, but man, was that ever loud. In Quebec City, Catherine Dubois, like they obviously from Quebec City, not that I'm gonna ask you to compare, contrast or anything, but like, you know, like that's gonna be a special moment for her, like hometown, again, like I've heard

from so many of the athletes, never thought this was possible. And there she is in her hometown and they're just gushing your thoughts on that moment. I think it was really special for her. And then I think to go on to score a goal too. Um, I don't think you would write up that script a lot better for Dubois. So it was really exciting for that, um, for her. And I know she had a ton of family there. Obviously, Poo did as well and then Anne Renee.

And I love what Cory did. I think just starting LaBella in there too, kinda getting that French connection out there. A nice little touch because we don't always have those opportunities to do it in our game and how limited our markets are. I did see tonight with Columbus going to Toronto that Fentile is saying he's playing a pay, he's pay playing. Free hockey, free hockey they call it. Yeah. Playing free hockey. There it is.

And that was definitely for Poo and Cat for sure when we were in Connecticut. All by and okay so we have from Doogie in the chat. Yeah. Hey Jeff, I have the privilege of commentating the Australian Women's Ice Hockey League, where former number one CWHL pick Sarah Edney plays. Does Aaron have any memories or stories of Sarah from the system? I do have a lot actually. As soon as he said Australian League, I knew he was going to say Sarah Edney. Sarah Edney is probably still one of the smartest hockey players I ever played with. Had a phenomenal career at Harvard University

and I played with her U18s for sure. She was our captain of our U18 team when we got silver in 2011 in our... somewhere in Sweden is where we were. And then played with her off and on with development team and stuff. And definitely one of the smartest players, probably somebody who could have made it in this league quite successfully to be honest. But I know that she's been tearing up the Australian league

for a few years now. That's a good question. That's something that led us to an interesting spot. How many players from the previous generation outside of the obvious ones do you look at now and say like, oh, if they just could have hung on, you know, if their birth certificate had a different, you know, birth date on it,

this league would be great for them. Yeah, there's a ton. I think first and foremost, the person that comes to mind, obviously she's having a successful coaching career, but Jess Campbell. Yeah. I always kind of look at the players that were around in the national program that maybe didn't make an Olympics. And then when they didn't, it was like, okay, I got to move on with my life.

I got to start to kind of, um, I guess just make changes. But I look back at our 2018 centralization roster and somebody like Bailey Bram, who has gone on to have a family. And it's not to say that these things wouldn't happen wouldn't have happened. But like, I think of how great their careers would have been in this league. But I also know that they played a pivotal part in kind of making the PWHL come around because they were all there when the CWHL folded in 2019 and that obviously was a big kickstarter for people to move on with their life and move away from the game of hockey. And there's a lot of people that put in a lot of time in the CW and we all kind of joke about it now and what those days were like in the CW and we all kind of joke about it now and what those days were

like in the CW but we wouldn't be here without it. Trade this week in the PWHL, Jill Sonnier goes for Taylor Gerard, so that is a New York Boston trade. Did this one surprise you? Did this one surprise your teammates? Was there a oh my gosh moment or was this one coming for a while? Uh, I just, I'm smirking right now. Cause I was at dinner with a couple of my teammates and Keppel goes,

Oh, there's a trade. And all of us kind of go, what with who? Um, I don't know that it was Boston. We were not a hundred percent sure. We thought it was New York, but again, like, we don't have the insiders all the time. So things don't break or get leaked to us very quickly. But I think it's something that's gonna be great

for both teams. I think the only thing I'll say about New York is Jill Sonier is one of the best human beings I've ever met in the game of hockey. So I know she's gonna add a ton to Boston just by who she is. And that's no knock on Taylor Gerard. I just truthfully don't know her. So I think Jill is going to be missed in that locker room.

And I'm excited for Jill, obviously just a lot closer with her. And I'm excited to have her get to Boston. And I should say I'm excited for her as a person, not for Boston to get her. Excited for her and excited for her to be able to make an impact and somebody she was able to play with Courtney Kessel when court was playing back in her national team days so connection there and I'm sure she'll go to Boston and do well and I'm sure Gerard will be great in New York as well. Okay let me close on this one. I was just talking to Andrew Brewer a couple of seconds ago, an NHL video coach. One of the things that he said when he was a video coach

of the Toronto Maple Leafs that he would argue with DJ Smith about. Now, you're someone that loves blocking shots. More guts than brains, Ambrose. I've told you this before. Love you, but more guts than brains Ambrose, I've told you this before, love you, but more guts than brains. But you break your stick, okay? You're out there five on five, you break your stick. Do you skate to the bench to get another one when you're in a defensive zone or do

you stay out there? And have you thought about, you know what, this will only take, oh if it's second period is long change, but if it's first or third that's a quick three maybe four seconds as opposed to getting trapped out there for 30 seconds while they exploit your spot because you got no stick what's your thought on that conversation well did you see your game on Friday night against Minnesota? Tell me about it. We had this situation happen. I've actually, knock on wood,

it'll happen at some point now that I've said it. I've never broken my stick on a block shot ever in my career. What? Ever. You block like a million shots every year and you've never broken a stick. I've never broken a stick in a game. What are you playing with, a crowbar?

Yeah, pretty much. But Maureen Murphy blocked a shot, broke her stick. And we were in the third period, so it wasn't too far. She's also the right winger. But we had somebody on the bench do a little javelin throw to Maureen Murphy, which I was on the ice, so I didn't see this occur, but we all know that that is not legal not legal. Um

Play went on for about two and a half more minutes Murph ended up actually getting a good scoring chance the other end with boring stick And then our TV timeout they came back and called with Penalty on us, which I don't know if that's allowed I don't know if you can go back after the fact and call that a penalty. I didn't think a line you could call that, but we'll just let it slide for now. But I think to actually answer your question, no, I'm going to steal a stick from a forward if I break or lose my stick especially in the second period right

winger easy switch to go get it no offensive the wingers but I think it's a little bit more important for a defender or a center whoever it is a lower player to have a stick to be able to tie up in front and it's easier for them to go to the bench and get a stick than it would be me. I love that a defender is saying the defender is much more important than the forward, give me your stick. I've always looked at that and kind of like saying, when you say to yourself,

the brain is the most important part of your body, then you have to catch yourself and say, well, what part of my body is telling me that? Well, like, I mean, I also flip it around and I think, hey, offensively, if I see a D doesn't have a stick, well, whoever doesn't have a stick, what do you always tell you,

like what do they always tell you when you're on offense? Exploit the person without a stick. So if the defender doesn't have a stick, okay, we're gonna exploit the low person. Now it's, okay, we're even closer in the net. Like why wouldn't you want people around your net to be able to have a stick? Your goaltender just lost her stick.

Do you give yours to her? Ann doesn't usually want it. Julie will want it, so it depends on who I'm playing with. How come Anne doesn't want it? That's weird. Anne thinks that we are more productive with the stick than she would be with having a stick. I don't know that I've ever met a goalie who would say that.

But Julie wants the stick. Give it to me. I think so. I could be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure yes. Anne is adamant to not give her our stick. Awesome. I always learn something. Thank you and I will see you in Jasper. I think our first game is around two o'clock Saturday afternoon. Apparently, yeah. My people will be in touch with your people Ambrose. Good answer. Bring Henry. Thanks you. Congratulations.

First star. Looks great on you. Thanks for doing this again, Erin. Thank you. Hopefully see you soon. She's the best. Erin Ambrose from the Montreal Victoire. She is, Zach Phillips, the first star of the week in the PWHL.

And that team is first in the PWHL as we speak right now. What's your call on that one? Do you go to the bench for a stick in the defensive zone or do you just stay and block shots and throw salt over your shoulder and hope that a puck doesn't go in? I was a block shot guy so I was like stay I love blocking shots so I would stay but if the bench if it's a short change I would for sure try to get a stick because you're there I also agree with Aaron because I played center and defense that the center and the defense and should have the stick You guys both played for York Simcoe Express too we've talked about this yes both the York Simcoe Express alumni Yes, all right CoExpress too. We've talked about this. Yes. You're both the CoExpress alumni.

Yes. All right. A couple of things I want to get to here as we wrap up the program. So really good stuff from both Aaron Ambrose and Andrew Brewer. A couple of things. The one thing that I'm going to stick with and think about even more now is that idea of when the video coach sees that you're offside, the coach calls the team out of the offensive zone. That would be an interesting one. Have you ever seen that before? I don't think I've ever seen that before. No, I haven't. When I was playing minor hockey, though, this is a different type of thing. But our coach had this idea of what you would do in the defensive zone is intentionally try to start a man short in the own zone if it was a long change. And then what you do is if you win the withdraw,

I put a center man out there who's gonna win the draw, I win the draw and you just fire it out into the neutral zone and then go, oh, whoops, we forgot to put a guy out and send the guy out. And that was his. Official count though, like official count, like no, no, no, you're not gonna do that.

Oh, I know. Like send another out. That was the most creative I've ever seen a coach try to be with some of those things but that's an interesting one kind of circling back out. It's something I've done a bunch of times watching games, I don't know if you do it too when you're watching live and you go like oh I think that was offside. It's offside. As they enter the zone but it doesn't get called and it keeps playing on as you mentioned

where there's like lost time in a game. Empty time, empty calorie's kind of thought about that. I call it potato chip time. Like it's nothing, it's just an empty calorie, like we're just watching it, but like nothing's gonna result from this. Like goal is gonna score, it doesn't matter. So like there's all these sections of time,

if you consider how many offsides are missed, and I don't think there's many, but there are some. Like what is the, what is the meta, I get all philosophical, what is the metaphysical status of that lost hockey time those 35 seconds after the bad zone entry? How do we quantify that in a philosophical way that is a question for the chimp over my shoulder that is not a question For you and me. We're just here to talk about hockey game Zach Phillips Fan duel proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that mattered to them

There are four games on the go on this January 22nd around the NHL and a lot of the roster updates we get from our daily daily faceoff fantasy Twitter X feed which is updated all day long. Visit it regularly and get all caught up. Boston faces off against New Jersey at the Prudential Center Swainman versus Markstrom Max Jones by the way called up from Providence. He will play Charlie McAvoy Misses his fourth straight game there. Have you seen or heard an update on Elvis Mersleekens? Netminder for Columbus Columbus plays Toronto tonight was heard at practice this morning I don't know if Jet Greaves has been called up. Probably if Merzlikans can't go, Danil Tarasov will start there. Dennis Hildeby starts for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Have you heard anything

about Merzlikans or seen anything about Merzlikans since we got on the air? Is there anything out there? No, I haven't. I was trying to track, I say his name wrong every time I think, but Jeff Svoboda. Svoboda. I'm sorry to track I say his name wrong every time I think but Jeff Boda it's for Boda. I'm sorry to Jeff if you grew up in my vintage you would know Peter's for Boda like fourth overall pick I'm on trial for the house for a number of years. Yeah. Yeah, so sorry Jeff I've been tracking to see what we got there. I haven't seen anything any updates yet on that situation Doesn't look like we've seen Jack Reeves be called or anything so still monitoring but looks like you might be okay. So, Jett's still in Cleveland then.

Yeah, it would seem that way. Do we see Ryan Reeves and Mathieu Olivier tonight? Reeves is dying for one. I was talking on the Leafs morning take here, I was talking to Jay Rosehill about this this morning. Once upon a time in the NHL, a guy would saddle up to another fighter and say like look I haven't had one in like 10 or 15 games coaches getting on me and another guy was like yeah yeah yeah I'll help you out. Like that was kind of the way a lot of these fights

kind of happen spontaneously or not so spontaneously I guess in the NHL once upon a time. Do we see Reeves and Olivier snap the flippers tonight? Well Jeff I think it would depend on the context of what's going on and the situation in the game. Maybe not if Toronto's up three nothing. Do you think for one second, that even if it was three nothing, that Reeves would give him the shoo shoo go away like Arbor Jack I did, knowing that he's pretty much got to beg for

fights these days No, not a chance. I think he has to do it And I think you do it especially after what just happened on Saturday night But would not be a funny situation three nothing first period Olivier comes over and says let's go and he says shakes it off No, yeah, and then Columbus pump seven past your maple leafs Yeah tonight's postgame show would be exciting. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, Zap the Dark would be an interesting one. OK, Florida and LA Crypto.com arena, too doubty by the way, is back.

Ankle injury, but he's back skating in a full contact jersey. And we'll make the road trip here with the Los Angeles Kings. One thing I want to mention as well, the other game tonight should be a good one one Winnipeg Jets facing off against the Colorado Avalanche at ball arena This is Hellebuck versus Blackwood Connor Hellebuck who are all and rightfully so handing the Vezna Trophy to Are we seeing tonight in the battle of the net minors? The Vezna Trophy winner and the runner-up in Mackenzie Blackwood.

Now the coaches, the GMs rather, vote on the Vezna. And so that just means they look at wins. Berkey will talk about this on Friday. They just look at wins. Connor Halleback versus Mackenzie Blackwood. If you were voting, would that be your 1-2? Because it probably is for me. I mean Hellebuck probably won. I think I probably

I wouldn't put it like clear-cut actually so when I say no, but I think that I would probably debate you on putting like Logan Thompson ahead there and putting him in that spot and just the season he's having I heard the the boys on Morning Cup this morning saying like he's having a Stanley Cup goaltending type of season. Which I thought was an interesting way of putting it. Until he can stop a Nacho shot I'm sorry. That takes him down a peg. But I think he's just been so good. Yeah no I think I would put it ahead of him though. Full body of work, full season, everything he's done there. By the end of the season, Blackwood, yeah, maybe he could surpass him. It's kind of similar to the Hudson-Celebrini conversation you and I and Greg have been

having of, okay, well at this moment in time, he's ahead. Right now, Logan Thompson's ahead. By the end of the season, it might be a different story. I might have a different answer for you. But right now, Thompson's being more of a candidate, in my opinion. When you speak of the caller right now, Dustin Wolfe might be number one. See what you want about Lane Hudson and Macklin Celebrini in the call? They're like, Dustin Wolfe might be the man here. Calgary's in a playoff spot. Yeah. I know. We that's, we keep talking about how great these guys are off. Yeah. The guys are off the board and it's his, it's because of him. Last thing I want to mention, small thing, but I want to, it just because it's

one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. It was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Sam Malinsky is in tonight for the Colorado Avalanche. Calvin DeHaan is out. I know it's a tiny thing, but it gives me a chance to mention one of the coolest things I ever saw in hockey. I remember being, I remember first day of the new tongue, I remember being at a Oshawa Generals game when DeHaan was playing for the Jennys. Killing a five on three scored a breakaway goal as a defenseman have you ever seen a defenseman killing a five on three Oh it's junior hockey buddy get

killing a five on three get a breakaway goal breakaway short-handed goal I saw it one day I want to get Calvin Dehaan on the show just to ask about that moment. Scoring a short-handed breakaway goal, killing a 5 on 3 for the Oshawa Generals. It's one of the coolest things I ever saw. I'm like, and he's a defenseman. It's one thing to get a short-handed goal killing a 5 on 3, but as a defenseman? Anyhow, weird things you see in hockey. The message of today is just stay alive. Just stay alive and you'll see some you see in hockey. The message of today is just stay alive. Just stay alive and you'll see some weird things in hockey.

How about that? Your job at the end of the day, stay alive. That's your job today. And watch hockey games. You got it, Zach? And no matter what happens to your trotomy beliefs tonight, the sun will come up tomorrow morning.

Brady Kachuck, accountability here too, hand up. I was working on some things before the show here, Jeff, in the studio that we've got. I was putting these like cool little hotkeys together to be able to get things in on these animations and get everything to run smoothly. It worked for the whole first half of the show and when Aaron came on, I double clicked a hotkey and it came up with a different... Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. and it came up with a different yeah yeah hand up that's on me I'll be better chat we'll clean that up as it goes I double one and yeah a lesser man would

be L.A. for things like that the way I look at things like that Zach if that's the worst thing that's gonna happen to your life today you're doing all right bud you're doing really really well if that's the worst thing that's gonna happen to your life today, you're doing all right, bud You're doing really really well if that's the worst thing that's gonna happen Oh, man, I put the wrong board up as a J Rose Oh, then you corrected and you put Ambrose up if that's the worst thing that's gonna happen today, bud You're doing fine. You're doing just fair enough. You're doing fine Okay on behalf of Zach Phillips. Thanks to our guests today Aaronbrose, first star of the week in the PWHL. Erin Jobs by regularly here on the program,

her Montreal Victoire are the number one team in the PWHL and fresh off a big win against Ottawa at the Videotron Center in Quebec City. Could that be a future expansion market for the PWHL? We shall see. And thanks to Andrew Brewer as well, really interesting conversation. We'll have Andrew back and maybe we'll start, we'll go through some examples for the viewership

on YouTube. Go through some examples in his history of calls that he's had to make or maybe some of the other famous ones too. Maybe we'll even revisit, sorry Edmundson listeners and viewers, the Kale McCargole. Sorry, sorry. Anyway, thanks to Andrew for stopping by. Thanks to Aaron for stopping by. and listeners and viewers. The Kale McCargoal. Sorry, sorry. Anyway, thanks to Andrew for stopping by. Thanks to Erin for stopping by. Thanks to you for interacting on the chat.

Thanks to you for watching on YouTube and listening wherever you get your podcasts. Enjoy the games tonight. Here's the run-up schedule. Same thing every day, Monday to Friday, nine o'clock Eastern, Morning Cup of Hockey, daily Face Off Live at noon Eastern, and then the sheet tomorrow at three times be back tomorrow. Enjoy your hockey evening. We'll talk in 23 hours.

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