The Sheet with Jeff Marek - NHL Teams Falling Off, Preds Turmoil & Canucks Rumors ft. Greg Wyshynski

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Jeff Marek and Greg Wyshynski team up for a special MvsW edition of The Sheet, breaking down the biggest NHL stories heading into American Thanksgiving. They open with Jeff’s shredded voice and Greg...’s radio nostalgia before diving into a wild discussion on strange hockey interviews, including the infamous Eugene Melnyk moment. From there, they move into the Vancouver Canucks memo circulating around the league, which veterans could realistically be moved, and why trade protection continues to complicate their roster. The guys go deep on the collapsing Nashville Predators, Barry Trotz’s honesty about the situation, Andrew Brunette’s job security, who might be first out the door, and what the next two weeks could mean for the franchise. They also examine which 100-point teams from last year have fallen off, why the playoff picture feels unusually chaotic, and who should actually be worried. To wrap it up, Greg hits Jeff with a batch of Thanksgiving-themed NHL trivia, covering real and fake parade floats, mascots, and some perfectly strange league history.SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Bauer: https://www.bauer.com/👍🏼Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/ca👍🏼Prime Video: https://primevideo-row.pxf.io/c/5560083/3303015/20020Reach out to sales@thenationnetwork.com to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@FNBarnBurner🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Okay, first of all, apologies for my voice. It started, Greg, at the end of yesterday's show. And then I had a spot to read for one of our sponsors. And by the end of it, fried. You're a dad. See, the thing is, I don't know if I'm sick or I'm just losing my voice. Because I don't feel sick, even though I couldn't sleep. last night. I've been up since about 2.33
Starting point is 00:00:31 o'clock. Haven't gone back to bed. So it's going to be a tough one for your boy today. It's going to be fine. I don't feel. I don't feel sick, but I have lost my voice before. You've got yourself a verbose co-host today, as per usual. I'll be in fine form because it is American
Starting point is 00:00:48 Thanksgiving this Thursday, so no MVSW twice a week, just once a week. I will be discussing American Thanksgiving later in the program. Oh. Stay tuned. It's very exciting. I'm interested. Um, little Willie Stiles, by the way, saying Jeff going through puberty again on the chat.
Starting point is 00:01:04 So not yet, Willie, soon though, one of these days. You know, whatever I hear you with a froggy voice, you know, you know, which broadcaster I think of. And I don't know if this is anybody in Canada even knows who this cat is. Who's that? Scott Farrell. Yeah, Scotty Farrell's a bench. I know. I used to go on Scottie's show all the time.
Starting point is 00:01:25 So Scotty Farrell, for those that don't know, Scotty Farrell's got a great hockey side to him. So Scottie Farrell was a radio play-by-play voice of the Atlanta Thrasher's. Do you know the story? He got in trouble from making up plays. No, I tell this story because I honestly don't know this story. I just know the short strokes of it. I'm trying to think. Was Billy Jaffe, his color commentator with the Thrashers?
Starting point is 00:01:49 You know what? Ben Wright, if you're listening, Ben was like the social media manager of the Atlanta Thrashers and listens to the program. If you're listening right now, text me, Ben, And let me know. It was Billy Jaffe, the color analyst. But Scotty Ferald was, as my voice leaves me, was the radio play by play voice in the land of thrashers. And I believe, like, when he was bored, he just made up plays.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Because no one, no one could see it. So, like, what the hell? Hosa gives the pact of Kovach, Kovach, Kovach passes out of the way back to Latin it. I used to go on his, I used to go on his serious XM show all the time. I love going on with Scottie. Yeah, for those of it, like Scottie, Ferrell. was like a, shake it up, was a syndicated sports talk radio host in the States, but maybe, maybe you guys heard him in Canada too.
Starting point is 00:02:37 A lot of, I think, overnights was a, oh, yeah, oh, big time. That's when I would listen to him. Yeah, between him and Art Bell, I would bounce back and forth. I'm always been a huge radio geek. So Art Bell and Scotty Farrell, those are my two. What was the year John Carlson beat the Canadians and World Juniors? Do you remember that year? That never, that never happened.
Starting point is 00:02:56 And let's say hypothetically, your therapist is wrong. I think that was that the year that it was in Saskatoon. Whatever year it was. Okay. The year that was whatever it was. It was my favorite guest spot I ever did on Farrell's show. I remember I was in my basement on my phone talking to Scott Farrell. We're just chatting about the league.
Starting point is 00:03:17 What do you think about the trash? What do you think about that? You think the oilers kind of just getting Ryan Smith's going to help? And he was he was watching the World Junior game. Yeah. And then we were just chatting. And in the middle of my answer, I just remember Scott Farrell going, we got him, Johnny Carlson.
Starting point is 00:03:35 And then he starts going, fuck you, Canada. Yeah, Canada. 2010. I'm not, and I just did a Google search. I just did a Google search for us. 2010, I'm not going to watch the video again. I just got my hate on for giving up two on ones and Martin Jones. Picture, picture me in a basement.
Starting point is 00:03:56 standing next to a stone fireplace on a cell phone with the phone out here listening to Scott Farrell just scream about Canadian junior hockey for the better part of 25 minutes it felt like. That's awesome. That's lovely. Hey, you've heard me go on before about how I think Adam Foote belongs in the Hall of Fame
Starting point is 00:04:19 because one of the places in the Hall of Fame where they always fall down. Well, two places, goaltenders and defensive defensemen. They're cleaning up the goalie category. now in the hall, defensive defense, but not so much, even though they put Kevin Lohen a few years ago. I want to change why I want Adam Foote in the Hall of Fame. I don't know what the category, maybe Builder, maybe if one day they have a podcast wing
Starting point is 00:04:40 in the Hockey Hall of Fame. I want him in for giving us the best name for potential hockey podcast out there to the point where I want to rebrand this entire outfit. Cigarettes and Cash Shoes. Cigarettes and Cajus. My friend, Down Goes Brown, said that that would have been a Canucks blog within five minutes that quote hitting the internet and that is absolutely true because back in the day, boy, we needed more Canucks blogs, didn't we? It was an epic quote. It asks some questions that I don't
Starting point is 00:05:09 think have been answered sufficiently for me yet, which is that was he referencing Russian content farms and saying that they are responsible for the majority of hockey analytics? Was he referencing Demetri Filipovic who sounds Russian and assuming that he is in the basement and developing hockey analytics. More important. Hang on. Pause on like,
Starting point is 00:05:34 Dimitri worked for Calgary. Yeah, I think so. It was the flames. It wasn't the Canucks. It was the flames, correct? Yeah. I think you might be right on that. I'm not positive.
Starting point is 00:05:45 And then the last thing, and here's a little thing about Greg. I have never smoked a cigarette in my life. I've not smoked a cigarette my life because my parents smoked when I was growing up. And I saw their absolute struggle with quitting and the hold it had on their lives and the damage it did to their bodies. Does Greg smoke cigars at least twice a month, maybe three times, maybe four times? Of course he does. Does this seem hypocritical?
Starting point is 00:06:13 Probably because I feel like a cigar is like 25 cigarettes rubber banded together and then you smoke it. All of this preamble leads me to my point. which is that I have never had cashews whilst smoking tobacco and I, one, want to know where the combination came from and two want to know if I'm missing out. Am I missing out? Do cashews enhance the tobacco flavor? Does tobacco enhance the cashew flavor? Is it like a wine pairing?
Starting point is 00:06:45 And I'm just not hip to it because I don't live in Adam Foote's social circles. I don't know. You know what's really good? cashew eyes speaking as the vegan of the combination here cashew milk cashew cheese cashew cheese is amazing it's almost identical
Starting point is 00:07:02 without all the dairy stuff it's fantastic but it was such a but you're right it's such a weird combination like is he thinking like Russian bot farm implying that analytics are some like conspiracy fueled by Russian propaganda
Starting point is 00:07:18 in order to to influence the young hockey minds, but are completely fraudulent to deceive coaches and general managers into making bad trades and droughts. Zach on the digital show wrote right now, asking our cash use and cigarettes an underrated pairing. I think, honestly, it's a great question. And we need out of foot to answer it. His whole rant was obviously the 90th variation of an anti-analytics rant for a team
Starting point is 00:07:47 that obviously has bigger fish to fry. So here's my theory on Jim Rutherford or whomever, Patrick Alvey, whoever, sending out a memo to all the other teams about the Vancouver Canucks listening on their veterans. My theory is this. Jim Rutherford woke up yesterday morning. He saw the story on The Athletic about it being the one year anniversary of Chris Drury sending a memo around the league saying that players like Jacob Trubah and Chris Crider were available. And Jim Rutherford said, draft me a fax. I've got to tell the folks. I've got a great idea on how to motivate the team.
Starting point is 00:08:23 I got to get me some of that. That's worked out so great for the Rangers. Yeah. I got a hop in that pool. Not the shallow end either. I'm going off the deep. I'm going on the deep end. Not the three meters spring.
Starting point is 00:08:33 I'm going way up to the top there. That's how I'm diving in. We can get that out in a second. But like I think transparently this is a motivating factor. I think the fact that the language was specific to listening on veterans rather than shopping veterans, rather than negotiating with the agents of veterans, I think is a telltale sign that this is one of those. Let's start having some people freak out about trying to tell their families
Starting point is 00:09:00 that might have to move across the continent. I don't think that – I mean, I think it could probably get to that point. But more to the point, though, Merrick, like, it's really hard to take this seriously when there is so much trade protection on this roster right now that the only people to be nervous, I think, or like what, Evander Kane and Kiefer Sherwood at this point? Hang on. Hang on. I have a thought on this one. Please do it. But I want to get to the opening here.
Starting point is 00:09:26 I'm going to let you know why. Because I was funny. I was going to mention this on the show yesterday. We didn't get to it. I'm going to mention it today with you where there will probably be fertile ground. So the blueprint is powered by Fanduel. Download the app today and play your game on Fanduel. Coming up on the program, he's already here, just having a sip of a tin right now. is Greg Wyshinsky from ESPN and ESPN.com. joins us every Tuesday and Thursday, but not this week, but is he going to be stuffing himself for U.S. Thanksgiving or as he calls it stateside, Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:09:55 We'll talk about the Nashville Predators, Greg writing extensively about them at ESPN.com and Barry Trots. Glad Greg, by the way, that you asked about him coaching. We'll talk about the Vancouver Canucks a little bit more coming up after I stop rambling here. Teams falling off. We already did a little bit on weird interviews, more of that coming up. I do want to talk about if we get a chance
Starting point is 00:10:14 to reminisce about, who was, Mark Borvietzky's interview with Eugene Melnick, which as far as cringe goes, maybe the cringiest thing I may have ever seen in hockey. And Thanksgiving trivia? This is what you're bringing today. You're bringing tea giving trivia? All right. Those you do like a good game show Friday, there is going to be a little bit of a quiz for Mr. Merrick.
Starting point is 00:10:36 I'll handle the quiz master duties because we have to preserve those golden pipes. But, yeah, Merrick will be answering some American Thanksgiving. questions. Folks, with a hockey twist. With a hockey twist. Okay. So back to my thought on Vancouver and what they're doing now. Okay. A lot of this is always a sort of semantic dance. If we're not trying to trade these players, but we'll always listen. Teams will always say that because they know other teams and other shopping players. What do you think happens in these conversations with general managers? Just one side listens and doesn't play along and doesn't you know, advanced conversations.
Starting point is 00:11:12 I'm okay. Here's what I, I wonder about this, because I first started hearing about this on the weekend. And if it, because I think your point is the right one about trade protection all up and down the Vancouver Canucks lineup. What it, again, I'm not reporting this.
Starting point is 00:11:27 I'm saying it feels this way to your boy, Jeffie. It feels like he's trying to figure out, or him and Patrick Alvin are trying to figure out where he can get the most. either from someone like Connor Garland, Evander Kane, or Kiefer Sherwood. Now, Kane is on an expiring contract, Sherwood's on an expiring contract, Sherwood's been a darling to kick off the season, and everybody with playoff aspirations looks at him and says,
Starting point is 00:11:56 man, we need a guy like that for the postseason. And Connor Garland, yeah, and Connor Garland's got six years. Connor Garland has a contract that hasn't even started yet. I know. It's not even on a new contract. But the thing is, his no trade protection doesn't kick in until July 1st. So if you're going to do something, you do the Vancouver Canucks, do it now. And like, teams do this all the time.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Like, okay, I need to know what the marketplace is for these players. Like, this isn't shocking news. This isn't like some revelation. Teams do this all the time. There comes a certain point in the season when they say, okay, I need to know what's out there. I need to know what I can get if I pull the trigger on this player or that player or a combination of these players. I think that's all Vancouver's doing.
Starting point is 00:12:42 But teams don't even have to do this. They just get called. You think Craig Conroy needed to send a fax to the other general managers to let him know that he'll accept calls to see how much he can get for Raspus Anderson? Like obviously if a team is struggling, other GMs are going to try to circle the vultures
Starting point is 00:13:02 like they did in Nashville already to see if they can pry something away. Well, okay. But hold on, Merrick. what makes us ridiculous is like you said um peterson no move clause de brusk no move clause ronick no move clause and they said they're not looking to trade him to when elliott did his report last night marcus peterson no move clause tyler meyers no move clause um uh vander kane stinks uh kefer sherwood is is is shooting 28 percent this season do you really think that there's going to be a
Starting point is 00:13:37 gigantic market for someone who is but it's not no no the cliff of regression at any Greg Greg when it comes to Sherwood the goals are the bonus teams just love the way this guy plays like no one's saying like oh wow this guy's got this guy's gonna like
Starting point is 00:13:53 he's going to turn out the Yari Curry in the playoffs no one's saying that about Kiefer Sherwood what they're saying is we need that style of player in the post season regardless of the goals what is trading that veteran do for you Other than save you some money on his next contract, assuming that you want to bring him back.
Starting point is 00:14:12 My point is that, like, Brock Bassler, 7.25 million for the next, what, seven or eight years or seven years. If anyone wanted him, they would have signed him or tried to sign him in the offseason. You wanted to stay in Vancouver? Fine. Who's going to take on that contract? Connor Garland, like you said, isn't even on his new contract yet. Like, they're in such a pickle right now. Like, you can go out and announce to the league, come trade for our veterans.
Starting point is 00:14:36 how many of these guys actually can move, how many these guys will move with the contracts you've given them? The thing about, okay, I'm glad you brought up the point about teams calling because, yes, that happens, but it's not all general managers that talk to every other general manager every day. There are some, and I'll bring up a name to you, I just had this conversation with someone on the weekend. Because on Friday's show, I was talking to Dave Panyoda,
Starting point is 00:14:58 and we were talking about the Ottawa Senators. And I got a text from someone who is in a position to know let's use it that way in a position to know who said here's the thing you need to know about Steve Steyos he calls managers relentlessly even about things that he might not even be interested in but just to get the lay of the land because you never know what you can get steyos is really aggressive and also and not all guys like this Steve Steyos loves the grind not every but Not every general manager loves that grind. And don't, you just think it's always just make it a phone call.
Starting point is 00:15:41 These phone calls are complicated and interesting and at times angry and confrontational. Staeos loves that. Like if you're an Ottawa Senator's fan, you should know this. You have a GM that's really aggressive that's in on a lot of conversations and loves grinding other general managers. And maybe even sometimes over things that he's not really interested in, but you never know what can fall into your lap. But there aren't 32 general managers like that. There's a lot of managers that are just check in and go like, hey, you know what? Just keep me in mind.
Starting point is 00:16:12 Hey, you know what? Just, yeah, if something happens, like, hey, circle back here. Because you don't want it. You don't want to be in a situation where, like, when the Boston Bruins were trading Joe Thornton and the deal was consummated with the San Jose sharks, and all of a sudden, all these other managers were calling Michael Connell and saying, we would have given you more. What are you doing? Why did you narrow this? Like, I remember Keenan telling me, like, the deal that they were working. working on was Luongo for Thornton one for one.
Starting point is 00:16:38 And then at the end of the day, the Florida Panthers owner, Alan Cohen said, we're not taking any money back. And all of a sudden, what could have completely changed the course of history, Joel Thornton goes to the Florida Panthers. And Roberto Luongo ends up a member of the Boston Bruins, therefore we never get our Tim Thomas versus Roberto Luongo pumping tires line goes by the wayside. But not every manager is like that. That's why I think, like, putting things like that out, it can bring more.
Starting point is 00:17:05 bring more GMs under the tent to make phone calls, who otherwise might not. I do, I do understand it. That's fine. But, I mean, like, bringing us back to the reality of the Canucks roster, it's great to say that your veterans are available. So everything to actually get trades on the table for some of these guys where, one, they're going to wave for them. And, two, the value coming back is commiserate to the player leaving, wherein, you know, look, maybe there's somebody out there that sees Connor Garland on one year and then four others. or with five others at six million and says that is the deal of the century. I'm glad he's locked up, bring him on.
Starting point is 00:17:42 But I also think there's a lot of managers. They're just like, I'd rather not be locked into a player. I didn't even sign. I think this roster is fraught with problems, obviously, looking at their record. Oh, God, yeah. Totally. But it's also fraught with contractual obligations to players that the Canucks have put on these guys by bringing them back and agreeing to conditions that makes the majority of this
Starting point is 00:18:05 Like 80% of this roster untradable. Does it not the, and the other sidebar to all of this, by making it known that veterans are available, does that not just sort of usher in or speed up or accelerate a Quinn Hughes move? Like if you're Quinn Hughes and you're saying this, like, oh, and you're going to get rid of all the vets around here, thanks for making this easy or making this easier,
Starting point is 00:18:32 unless the decision's already been made. and it just hasn't been public. Well, I just don't think they're going to ever rebuild. I mean, I just don't. I think they're going to try to retool and retool and retool and retool and I agree with that. And go and go with the younger guys and try to sell Quinn on the idea that he's, he's the franchise pillar of a team that's pivoting into something different and something
Starting point is 00:18:51 better. And they're going to throw a ton of money at him and hope that he stays. But at the same time, like, I don't think that they have the assets to do anything dramatic to really change the course of the franchise that doesn't involve trading Quinn Hughes because that would change the course of the franchise. The bounty you would get back for him could be the foundation for the next phase of this team. Right. And it starts, it starts with Simon Nemich as the obvious target. I mean, you're talking about the devil's. I mean, I was texting, I was texting, I was messaging back and forth on Twitter with somebody this
Starting point is 00:19:26 morning who was like, wouldn't it make the most sense for Quinn Hughes to get traded to Detroit? I'm like, yeah, it would. And every devil's. Man's nightmare right now is that he goes to Detroit. Jack leaves in 2030 and then and they need to trade for Luke. And now all the Hughes boys are where they want to be, which is in Michigan. In Michigan where they live. Yeah, exactly. So that sucks.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Don't trade him to Detroit. But that's the way. But listen, I mean, that's the team that missed out on him on the draft, taking Zadina over him. And he fell into the lap of Vancouver Canucks. And then Jack's closer to Canada where Tate McCrae lives and the whole, you know, it all makes sense. I guess a little bit. But I mean, does Jack Hughes now want to get traded to California? Aubrey? Is that what we're doing here?
Starting point is 00:20:04 The number of Tate McCrae fans, by the way, they're on Twitter who are discovering Jack Hughes through their dinner date, we assume it's a date, and then discovering that there are two other Hughes brothers that both play in the NHL with Jack. It's like a Taylor Swift fan discovering Jason Kelsey. Like, it's crazy that we are now educating an entire new fan base about the Hughes brothers.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Did you guys see the one about Hughes? I have to bring this up. Sorry. They said, it was a quote about a picture of Quinn Hughes, and it said, this brother is cute, but he looks like he's experiencing an existential crisis. Wow. I mean, yeah, you know. Oh, he's just come back from serving two tours with a thousand yards there.
Starting point is 00:20:52 No one can accuse Tate McCray fans not being perceptive. That's really funny. By the way, I should say my daughter, my daughter Vivian is a huge Jackie. Hughes fan and also a big Tate McCray fan. So, like, I asked her, I'm like, your worlds are colliding right now. How do you feel about this? And she's like, I'm not sure, but I'm kind of happy. I'm like, are you prepared for Tate McCray to be the Taylor Swift of the New Jersey Devils?
Starting point is 00:21:18 She's in the owner's suite during the playoffs. And I don't know. I don't think she had really a response to that. I don't think she wrapped their brain around that idea yet. Oh, man. The NHL has its own. The NHL has its own. Taylor Swift.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Okay. Let's talk about Nashville, right? I want to do Nashville with you. So your piece was interesting. And by the way, thank you for asking Barry Trots about the idea of him going behind the bench. What did you think of his answer? So the beautiful thing about doing the show with you again is that we cook up. up so many ideas on this show. And 90% of the time, if I get a chance to run those ideas
Starting point is 00:22:08 past the principles in real life, I'm going to do it. Just to test the theory. So one of them obviously that we've talked about a bunch of times is Andrew Brunette has this year and next year on his contract. Barry Trots slides in, takes over the bench. And on top of trying to salvage of the season is trying to prove that the team he's built is good enough to succeed. And they just needed a different coach. So on the one hand, I said, hey, like, are you going behind the bench again? And he said, look, the thing about me, you got to know is that when I commit to something, I turn the page on what came before.
Starting point is 00:22:52 So when he decided to become a general manager, he said he turned the page on his coaching career. The example he gave was he had a house and a home and a life in Nashville. And then when he signed with Washington to take over his head coach, he sold everything in Nashville. He didn't keep a house there because he wanted to make a clean break to dedicate his entire life to his new team and his new community. And so that's the example he gives. And I'll take his word on the idea that he's not a coach anymore until, you know, as long as he's a general manager, he's not a coach anymore. Does he miss it?
Starting point is 00:23:26 He misses it. But I also asked him, you know, the Brunette thing, like he's got this year and then and then next year on his contract, does that play into the thinking that you don't want to pay someone not to coach? And Barry said that's not a factor in any decision we make. And the decision they make, by the way, on Brunette, and this is important, is like three factors. One, Barry's an ex-coach.
Starting point is 00:23:48 He's going to give this guy as much leeway as he possibly can because he truly believes it's not the coach or his staff. It's the players that are causing the predators to be the worst team in hockey. The second is that David Poyle gave Barry Trots a century, basically behind the bench to figure out his stuff and had years and years and years of job security. And the third thing, and I was concerned about this story coming out today because I do wonder if this condition has changed. Barry told me before the Florida game that no one in the organization above him had pressured him to think about making a coaching change. Now, they get absolutely curb stomped last night. They got to, that was, hang on, that was so bad last night.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Yeah, it was terrible. Lifeless, positionless, that was, I don't know, like how much statue practice can one team do in one game? Well, that was it. That was the Nashville Predators. And Burnett said it last night. Like, they lost the game in the first 11 seconds. Like, AJ Greer scores in the first 11 seconds of the game.
Starting point is 00:24:49 And now everybody's shoulders are slouching. Now everybody's lost their will. by the way at home yeah that's not lost on up top that's not lost on bill haslam no it's not lost on like the office above the manager nor should it be so trots told me before the florida game that that they had about eight or nine games to try to show some upward mobility show a little flicker of hope and if that doesn't manifest in the next like eight or nine games then then maybe some tough conversations need to be had he said he hasn't talked to any of the veterans himself about their future he told me he has talked to their agents about what
Starting point is 00:25:30 could be coming down the pike eventually but like if you want to say that the predators are open for business i don't i don't think that's accurate right now but like two weeks from now it could maybe even less than that it could be very accurate and and the brunette thing who knows i mean like i think barry said if anything comes down comes down from above he's going to have to start really considering it so who knows what happened after that Florida debacle. I don't think there's any U2 shows coming around anytime soon. That can help salvage a season. Sorry, it's the obvious joke. No U2 shows coming around that can salvage the
Starting point is 00:26:04 season for the, for the Nashville Predators. Like, honestly, I don't know how much more you need to see. Yeah. If you're Nashville and if you're Barry Trots. Like, here's the thing. When you're a veteran player like that, like, it's not really going to change in this environment. If it's a younger player, you say to yourself, hold on, you know, there's still a ceiling here. There's still room for growth and learning and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:26:28 We're talking about Stephen Stamcoast and Jonathan Marshall and Brady Shea and UC Saros who got pulled last night. Like, this is a veteran team. There's only so much that you can expect a veteran team like this to change during the regular season. Yeah. I don't, I mean, I don't know, I don't know why you need to wait. another couple of weeks
Starting point is 00:26:50 like what's another couple of weeks going to do just completely put you behind the eight ball and maybe that's a strategy at this point all along like listen if the idea is to go get a first overall draft pick don't do anything don't do anything because what you're doing
Starting point is 00:27:06 is taking you there but if the idea is to have eyes to the future then maybe do something I once talk to a GM about the idea that you want a lame duck coach behind the bench because you just want to be as bad as possible.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Yeah. And he told me, it's not that I want to be as bad as possible. I just want to be terrible by the end. You know, like, from April 1st on, you just want to lose everything, right? Because then it doesn't matter anymore.
Starting point is 00:27:36 And it's the end of the season. But, but, you know, you know who our favorite? Do you remember who our favorite was for that? Who? Tim Murray. Oh, yeah. GM of the Buffalo Sabres,
Starting point is 00:27:46 trying to get Connor McDavid. Every goalie that made a save, traded, waved, sent away. That's not what you're here for. So I'm a goalie. Stop, stopping pox. We're trying to get Connor McDavid. Enough with the saves. Get out there and be hard to hit.
Starting point is 00:28:03 By game 81, the Buffalo Sabres were starting a wet piece of tissue paper in goal in the hopes of. It was starting, I thought you're going to say Tarosujumoto in that. But in the end, it was Merrick. It wasn't McDavid. It was Jack Eichol, who they drafted in the words of Tim Murray famously. But again, stop me if you've heard this one before. Philip Forsberg, no move clause. Stephen Stamco's, no move clause.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Jonathan Marshall, no move clause. Eriquala, limited, no trade clause. Roman Yossi, no move clause. Brady Shea, no move clause. Yossi Soros, no move clause. Now, granted, I do think that a few of these guys will want to move. I'm sure Jonathan. So would love to move.
Starting point is 00:28:47 I wouldn't be shocked if Brady Shea wanted to move. The Stamco's part is intriguing to me because, one, you've got to find some of that wants to believe that he is better than four goals in 22 games. You need the predators to take a part of that $8 million annual salary to get any return back of some note. But, like, we know how close this guy is with his family. we know that, you know, they've relocated there in the hopes that it was going to be a new home. It's a place he chose because he liked to live there. I do ultimately wonder, like, how much of that is going to play into him executing the clause that was given to him as contract if they come to him and say, we want to move you. I'll give you one more complication.
Starting point is 00:29:32 So he signed this deal playing in a no-tax state. Is he going to waive to go to a high-tax state? It's a great question. Essentially saying, yeah, I'll agree to waive this. this no move clause and take a pay cut because that's what you're doing. Like I always think back to Ryan Ellis and how like Ryan Ellis when he got traded to the, to the Philadelphia Flyers. Like that was a, that was a haircut.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Like that was a pretty big haircut that he took going from Nashville to Philadelphia. And it was always told to me like if you signed a deal in a no tax state, specifically Nashville, you need to get trade protection because generally guys would sign for a little bit less knowing that it's a no tax state. all of a sudden, if you're traded to like Pennsylvania or New York, all of a sudden, if you don't have trade protection, you're off to these places, you're taking less money. Your trade is making you poor and the team can't compensate you,
Starting point is 00:30:24 to which is why I always come back and say like, what the NHL and PA need to do, I don't know, my need to do, should do is get together and figure out a way to compensate players for waiving no move clauses. The only way you're going to get around this is to compensate players for waiving it. Hey, Steve, the standard going rate for waver to no move is $500,000. Or depending on, you know, how high the salary is, a million dollars. If you agree to waive your no trade, you get a million dollars.
Starting point is 00:30:52 That's the only way. Otherwise, if you're Stamcoast and say, hey, Montreal wants you, half my check, why am I going to do that? It doesn't make sense. That's the other complicating factor in all of this. Would you give the players the ability to then waive the fee? if they really want out or do you have to buy out
Starting point is 00:31:13 the no move clause what do you mean like no if you're going to trade if he hasn't if he has a no move clause first of all you ask the player like listen let's say for the sake of argument I just said Montreal Canadians want Stephen Stamcoast you go to Stamcoast
Starting point is 00:31:28 you say hey Montreal is interested we have this deal are you interested in going to Montreal and if you do if you accept the trigger for the $1 million bonus or whatever it is kicks in automatically and you get
Starting point is 00:31:44 compensated for waiving your no trade. Well, let me okay, so this is my question to you. Yeah. Barry Trots goes to Jonathan Marsh's now. Johnny, we got some great news. The Vegas Golden Knights. The Vegas Golden Knights want you back. I was good there. Your old house
Starting point is 00:32:00 back. They love you. You can play with Riley Smith again. Problem is, I don't know if you noticed, our team blows. So we haven't sold enough hot dogs this year to the fans so we can't afford the money that it takes for you to waive your new move clause
Starting point is 00:32:17 so we can send you to Vegas where you'll have a chance to win a cup and play with Riley Smith again but we need you to waive your no move clause and your no move clause fee and then we can make this happen what say you I think the best case first of all the answer is a hard no second of all the best case scenario for that
Starting point is 00:32:36 because otherwise it's give me something in exchange for nothing which is not business, that's charity. Last time I checked, the NHL was not a charity. I think the best that you can do is, okay, you know what, if you're up against it right now because you haven't sold enough hot dogs,
Starting point is 00:32:51 you haven't sold enough jumbo coax, we will not waive it, but we will park it in the future. It will become a balloon payment somewhere down the road. And by the way, Barry, it won't be a million dollars. Jonathan, I just want to let you know. Like, have you ever seen the movie Titanic? Now, remember when the ship hit the iceberg?
Starting point is 00:33:11 Now, imagine the iceberg is made of shit. It's just a giant shit iceberg, and we're about to slam into it, and the entire deck will be covered in shit. That's the predators right now. I'm telling you, I can get you back to Vegas. Wave your fee. Wave your fear. I'm not doing the deal.
Starting point is 00:33:28 So you hang over them? Wave your fear. I'm going to send you somewhere. I'm going to ride here. Would they have the ability to then waive their fee, or is the PA going to be like you can never waive your fee? I don't know. The PA would be, yeah, the best thing the P.
Starting point is 00:33:39 would say is we'll defer it. We'll defer it a year. Oh, we'll defer it two years. Yeah, I can't see that. But anyhow, I just think that that's another complicating factor. And when you're trading players away from places like Tampa, especially recently signed players like Marcia So and Stephen Stamco's. The other thing to all of this is, too, whether it's Philip Forsberg, whether it's
Starting point is 00:34:01 UC Sorrows with no trades, you say to these guys, like, look, we're going through a rebuild. Go look at your birth certificate. Do you have the patience for this? Do you really want to go through this? I know we had our one Stanley Cup run and we fizzled out against the Pittsburgh Penguins. And we're at the end of the line here now. And do you want to go through a rebuild?
Starting point is 00:34:21 I know you've been here forever because if you don't, we can find a market for you. The only thing I didn't ask Barry, because I was kind of running out of time. I didn't ask him about Ask her off. Now, I think his answer will be we made a judgment based on, UC Soros resigning and there'd be no room for him to take the job. And I think probably the subtext is also attitudeally they weren't in love with Ascaroff. But I mean, on top of everything else this season, to look over at San Jose and see the rough outlines of a franchise goalie that you've given up.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Listen, at the Nashville draft, that was the rumor on the floor on the first round, that Nashville was trying to get up to four. to get Will Smith. And one of the players in the deal was Yaroslava Skaroff. That was pretty well known around everybody. That's what they were trying. They wanted to make the big splash with the draft in Nashville. And now, and Skaroff and Will Smith are playing together.
Starting point is 00:35:28 On a team that's right there, maybe making the playoffs, as we talked about with Drew Amanda last week. It's just like one headache after another. But, you know, I do think, listen, I think the selling will start pretty soon. I imagine O'Reilly will be the first one out the door because he doesn't have any trade protection because, quite frankly, it's the easiest move to make
Starting point is 00:35:50 and a guy with only a year left on his contract after this one and what team that believes they've got the makings of a cup contender isn't going to try to trade for Ryan O'Reilly to be on their third line. I mean, come on. It's an obvious move. So we'll see what happens there. The Buffalo Sabres. They're going to make the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:36:09 They've won three of the last four. He's going back to Buffalo. Going back to Buffalo. Yes. Yeah, they got a little heartbeat now, don't they? They're playoff odds. Three of the last four, baby. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Look at them go. Amazing what happens when Bill Garon's in the building, looking at Tage Thompson and Alex Tuck. Look at these performances. You mean how like Bedard is going to win the selfie based on how he played against McKinnon the other night? Yeah, go it up against Ethan McKinn and all of a sudden he's Bob Ganey. Yeah, Jesus.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Because the team Canada, brass from the building. It's insane. That's awesome. Yeah, that's a thing. That happens. Hey, one of the things I wanted to mention with you is this. We talked about at the beginning of the year. And my answer, glibly,
Starting point is 00:36:53 was, oh, the Los Angeles Kings. And so far, I'm wrong. And this is every year in the NHL, there's a team that has 100 points that the following season doesn't make the playoffs. Happens. Last year, we looked at
Starting point is 00:37:09 The Boston Bruins, for example. I don't know if Zach has the graphic built, but last year the 100-point teams, okay, were this. In Winnipeg, Washington, Vegas, Toronto, Dallas, Kings, Bolts, Avs, and Oilers. Missing this year, based on their trend and where they are at, Toronto, Winnipeg, and the Edmonton Oilers.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I don't know. And again, we're a quarter way into this. quarter way into the season. I don't know many who would have picked those three. And by the way, I'm a little disappointed in you right now. Why is that? Because we've talked now for 38 minutes
Starting point is 00:37:49 and you haven't once pointed out that if the playoffs started today, there only be one Canadian team in the postseason. That's the Ottawa. Normally you have a nice little chuckle about things like that. I don't buy the Thanksgiving voodoo this year. I think there's going to be a ton of teams that are on the outside looking at them.
Starting point is 00:38:05 I agree with that are going to jump back in the picture this year. I agree with that. that. I agree with that. I do agree with that. But anyhow, does any of that, the one thing that surprises me, again, so far are the Los Angeles Kings. It wasn't looking good for Tampa early, but they're at like 12 and 3 in their last 15, something like that, and they look fantastic. But I don't know that I would have looked at this and saw Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton. Now, Winnipeg, it gets even worse because of Connor Hellebuck. Yeah. And that's why I think that, you know, listen, knees are really, I'm going to listen, this is just your buddy, Jeff concerned here.
Starting point is 00:38:38 Listen, knees are really important to a goaltender. I think the best thing that Connor Hellebuck can do is take a pass at the Olympics as well. I really think that Connor Hellebuck, even if he's healthy to go, because the NHL team is the one that pays this check. And I'm not just saying this as a Canadian hockey fan. I'm just saying this as someone who's concerned about Connor Hellebuck's health. I really do think that he should take a pass. That makes a lot of sense. Maybe Jake Gottinger, too.
Starting point is 00:39:11 Maybe Jake Gottinger, too, because Dallas has big plans this year. Maybe Austin Matthews might want to just, ah, you know what? You know what? Too dangerous. There's a lot of churches in Italy, a lot of stained glass, might want to keep Jack Hughes away from the Olympics. Charlie McAvoy should be aware of there's, they're going to use pucks, I believe, in the hockey tournament. Are they allowed to, I don't know. I haven't looked at the AAHF rules lately.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Are they allowed to shoot hockey? or is there no Raseys in the tournament this year? There's Rayses. I think there's a lot of wine glasses and stuff in Italy as well. Jack Hughes might want to avoid that. Stay away. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, so I understand what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:39:53 I do worry about the Jets. I'm actually pleasantly surprised that offensively they're not, they didn't take as much of a tumble as I thought without Eilers, but they're still not great. But, you know, losing hell of a big deal. They're the NHL's oldest team That's why I always worry about the oldest team And injuries
Starting point is 00:40:12 Because you get a bunch of guys in their 30s And all of a sudden like two to four It turns into four to six The team that The team that you thought the kings Are going to be Are probably the Leafs, right? Yeah, but I didn't think
Starting point is 00:40:25 The LA Kings would be as bad As the Leafs are right now Like I didn't think like I didn't think like first overall In the draft bad But that's where the Toronto Maple Leafs are Like poor Zach We're keeping them off
Starting point is 00:40:36 We're keeping them off balconies We're keeping them off bridges. He's playing that like draft simulator nonstop. His mother and I are very worried about him. He needs to go touch grass and go have a walk and put the laptop down. Like it's awful. It's bad. So the deal with their,
Starting point is 00:40:50 the deal with their first round pick, they can keep it, right? Zach, can they keep their first round pick if it's top five? Yep, top five protected. Okay. So like, again, I don't understand why everybody's like super worried. They'll go to the draft. They'll be in the lottery.
Starting point is 00:41:08 They'll miss the playoffs. They don't have Marner. Oh, my God. What are we going to do? You draft Gavin McKenna. There. Problem solved. Another winger coming in?
Starting point is 00:41:18 I don't think anyone thinks for one second that that means problem solved. I'm saying it. And that's fine. And that's fine. A couple of things I want to get your thoughts on as well, include, but are not exclusive to. We haven't talked about this yet on the program. And I don't know, again, like one of the things that if you ask managers candidly, the answer is always like, yeah, of course. Would you lie to protect your team?
Starting point is 00:41:58 And the answer is always, yeah, of course you would. Totally. They always do. No, I know that. They'll never say that about it. No, we always try to be transparent with the most transparent organization in the NHL. After all, we make ourselves available and blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's fine.
Starting point is 00:42:13 The Don Maloney comments about no rebuild here in Calgary. When I see that coming from someone like Don Maloney, what I think is that's really coming from Murray Edwards. That's really coming from ownership. Like Jim Motherford can talk about no rebuild, no rebuild, not going to happen. And we all know where that's coming from. Right. Just like Don Maloney. exact same thing he's not calling that shot marie edwards is calling that shot jim rutherford isn't
Starting point is 00:42:43 calling that shot francesco aquilini is calling that shot do you see it the same way because i think maloney's just sort of there to to be the the the the face of the message of ownership that's not his grand idea so you don't think that jim rutherford has more autonomy than that i always thought Based on his track record, he was more in the Lulamarillo camp of you take a step back and let that guy cook. But you think he's just a proxy for the ownership in Vancouver? No, I think for some, it's a good question. Because I think for some decisions, I think Jim has complete autonomy. But as far as like massive sea change decisions for the Vancouver Canucks, that still goes, that still goes to the owner.
Starting point is 00:43:28 That's why we keep talking about the best, the best quality you can have as a manager now in the NHL is not how to manage down it's how to manage up and how to manage your owner and how to manage those those messages that's why i look at that and say like okay that is that is coming from above that's not don maloney saying there'll be no rebuild here that's an ownership decision um i really thank you for bringing up the flames i've completely forgot what my hobby was going to be this year which is to go back to last season and see how many people were writing stories about them turning the corner and being on the right track and they've got it all figured out that are now writing stories
Starting point is 00:44:05 about the team being in the absolute dumpster. I'm sure there's probably some shared bylines between those two genres that just haven't gone back and looked at who. As we all knew where this was heading, then that fool's gold last season. Over praising the team to now shanking them aside. That's all right.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Happens. That happens. Who is your favorite? I want to circle back to I want to circle back to Adam Foote and the cigarettes and cashews because I threw this out
Starting point is 00:44:39 do you have a couple lined up here Zach I threw this out on Twitter X earlier today actually I should just call it Twitter because that's the name it was assigned at birth and I'm told that that's how it has to stay if it's assigned it at birth that that's so I'm going to still call it Twitter
Starting point is 00:44:55 with and the one that I keep coming back to Like, do you have, like, your absolute cringe moment? Because mine was a Mark Borvietzky interview with the late owner of the Ottawa Senators, Eugene Melnick. Zach, do we have that? Do we have any piece of that? Yep, we do.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Okay, let's revisit some of this love. Yeah. What's the plan here? Well, I think there's a few things that we're hoping to accomplish. I think what our fans are looking forward to, and I'm looking forward to, is a season that's, like, fresh and brand new, something that we can look forward to with young players coming in. And I think we can joan them into something, you know, a very, very serious team, much bigger than a lot of people, I think, believe. You know, right now, we're kind of in the dumpster.
Starting point is 00:45:47 You know, everybody says, ah, they're not going to do anything. And I don't believe that. I think that, you know, with character in a dressing room and people working very, very hard, we can accomplish more than a lot of people believe. And it's, you know, a lot of people said things in the last year. I think when I signed up for an owner, I really didn't expect going through something like we did last year. It was a tough, tough year for us everywhere, in the offices, on the ice, and now we're starting off fresh.
Starting point is 00:46:21 A lot of things have been changed. And I think that this year is going to become one of those. watershed years for us. I agree. I mean, we're pretty excited, I think. How's the dressing room? You know what? I think that was kind of a question that I was going to ask you, too. You know, we've got some characters in there. It's professional hockey. You know, there's a lot of unique personalities, unique people, strong personalities.
Starting point is 00:46:43 I think we need to find a way to gel to kind of make some chemistry. All right, all right, all right. I think we got enough of that one. Had you forgotten how great that was? Talk about, like, the awkward moment of interviewing your boss when the questions are going to revolve around two things. Are things great or really great? I know. I saw we took it from Facebook that that had real Mark Zuckerberg being interviewed by one of his his underlings vibes. By the way, people on the listen to the podcast didn't see it, but like Eugene Melnick is wearing an Ottawa senator's jersey. And you know what? That's fine. If you're an owner and you want to
Starting point is 00:47:24 wear a jersey that's fine but for God's sakes don't wear it over a button down what do you guys do it I know that we call it a sweater but it's not a quarter zip you any owner that wants to wear a jersey over a
Starting point is 00:47:39 button down you look like an asshole so don't do it oh yeah you know what yeah you know for everyone watching on YouTube right now Zach has fired this back up without audio yeah that's a tough look it's you know what classic but you know what it is
Starting point is 00:47:55 has season tickets I don't want to look like a corporate stooge so I'm going to wear this ill-fitting jersey over my button down at the game and and it just is it's a terrible look you know what it is though you know what the golden rule is what he who has the gold makes the rules that's it that's true I mean yeah you can wear whatever you want
Starting point is 00:48:17 you wear whatever you want you own the team you can have mark borviers you could force all the players to wear button downs under their jerseys on the ice you can do whatever the hell you want good idea boss every two weeks thank you every two weeks they say thank you and i'm really happy um you remember the uh roast beef sandwich line from john tortarella in vancouver 2013 when he was asked about players on on twitter and he said something about oh god i wish i had the quote um you know what's funny someone someone uh well it was joey kenward our buddy from vancouver uh sent me sent me the quote do you want to uh Hang on, just filibuster for once.
Starting point is 00:48:55 Oh, here it is, here it is, here it is. Here it is. I don't have to filibuster. Here it is, here it is, here it is, here it is, here it is. I think Twitter, this is, imagine me doing John Tortorella's voice. Okay. I think Twitter is stupid. It's tremendous for charity work and our dog walk in New York raised a ton of money.
Starting point is 00:49:15 But not for, quote, here I am having a roast beef sandwich and saying hello to my fans. That's ridiculous. It's funny, because back in the day before the rise of Instagram, that's what Twitter, the Twitter was like literally checking in and taking pictures of your lunch. That's what it was. And then, yeah, and then Instagram kind of like market corrected that. Yeah. That's really cool.
Starting point is 00:49:40 Instagram said, no, no, no. We'll take the, we'll take the pictures of the plates. We'll take that. We'll make the pictures look better. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was no more pictures of food. And the Nazis were like, oh, great, more room for us.
Starting point is 00:49:51 and they all hopped on Twitter. And that's the story of Twitter X. Right. There you go. Yes. Well done. Okay. So one more thing here.
Starting point is 00:50:01 I do want to, I do want to mention. And that is this segment, Greg Wischinsky, is a presentation. Oh, does this the more right when we have? Yeah, it is.
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Starting point is 00:51:17 that's a station that I had on in the house many Many times while I'm up late with a newborn, just watching some old iron stuff. You can get behind that. All right. What's his Thanksgiving game show you have? That's going to torture. Thursday is American Thanksgiving. There are many traditions in American Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Many of them shared with Canadian Thanksgiving. I think we're all very precious. Can I ask you a question? Have you been in hockey long enough that you always call your Thanksgiving American Thanksgiving? I don't always. I do it within the context of talking. talking to a Canadian. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Like when I'm talking to an American, we're just like Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. I'm talking to a Connock, I've got to be like, I better specify. You know what else is, I was thinking about this the other day. You know what else is exclusive? And maybe you can tell me otherwise because you follow a lot more sports than I do. But you know the expression, he hasn't pissed the drop all game? Is that just hockey?
Starting point is 00:52:13 I've never heard any other sport use that. Am I missing something? How was he last night? Oh, I didn't piss a drop. He was awful. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's not. hockey. I think that's just hockey, right? Okay. Yeah. Hockey or the or the Westminster Dog Show, one of the two. There's the two venues in which you hear that phrase
Starting point is 00:52:32 the most. Okay, that's a good line. I like that. We share a lot of, you know, dishes, I think, on Thanksgiving. We share a lot of traditions, of family time, all of it. But the one thing I think that we have that you don't have. Yeah. Is the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade in New York City. Correct me if I'm wrong. Like, is there a Thanksgiving Day parade somewhere in Canada I'm not aware of? Uh, you know, there's, uh, there's always a Santa Claus parade. That's different. That's, I know that I've, no, I've never been to a Thanksgiving day parade.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I've been to plenty of talking with Santa Claus parades this morning with my son. Remind me to tell you a story about Santa Claus parade when we're done here. I shall. So as you know, the, uh, the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade takes place in New York City. every Thanksgiving morning, giant balloons, and also lots of floats. Now, you guys may or may not know this, but the National Hockey League on several occasions has had its own float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade alongside, you know, the Jolly Green Giant and all these other floats.
Starting point is 00:53:40 They have a float there in the parade. So what I've done here, Merrick, is I have seven National Hockey League, Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade floats. And some of them are real, and some of them I've made up. It's your job to tell me is real or turkey. No, you know what it
Starting point is 00:54:00 should be called? They're a little shot at your buddy. Turkey or Tofurky. Is it real or fake? Or you just say real or fake. All right, here we go. A float titled NHL's most valuable
Starting point is 00:54:16 hockey dad, sponsor by Miller High Life was that an actual NHL float? Ultimate Hockey Dad. I'll say yes. The answer is
Starting point is 00:54:33 it was a turkey. No, it is a fake float. The real one was actually the NHL's most valuable hockey mom in 2019. There was a valuable hockey parent float, but it wasn't for dads, and it certainly wasn't sponsored
Starting point is 00:54:47 by Miller High Life, for God's sakes, Mary. There are children at this parade. Oh, right, very good. All right, so O for one. Question number two. A float featuring Wyclef Jean of the Fugis singing, what happened to love? Is that a real or fake NHL float? It's real.
Starting point is 00:55:04 It's true. That is correct. Wyclef John, one of several musicians that have been on NHL floats, including American Idol contestant Kelly Pickler, and Seel Green, who of course, performed as part of Newells-Barkley. He sang crazy if memory serves. So you're one for two. Question three. A float on which kids took shots at a 12-foot-tall turkey goalie.
Starting point is 00:55:33 That totally sounds true. I think Charles Wong tried to get that turkey to dress for the Islanders, too. Once upon a time, when he owned New York. So I'm going to say yes. That is correct. It was, in fact, a 12-foot-tall turkey goalie used on several incarnations.
Starting point is 00:55:49 of the NHL Thanksgiving Day Parade Floats. So now you are two, four, three. Very exciting. I know my memory hockey parade. Question four. An NHL float that honored the 1967 expansion that featured surviving members of the California Golden Seals. You mean, Jill Malash was on a float?
Starting point is 00:56:11 I'm going to say no. That is correct. That is not true at all. I know that you have such a heart on for the 1960s. expansion and also the calgary gold so Craig Patrick Craig Patrick would have been on that float Jill Malash would have been on that fro float Rick McLeish would have been on that float I mean wouldn't what Thanksgiving isn't complete without Rick McLean they all say fair enough fair enough yeah you're killing it so you're what they go one to three
Starting point is 00:56:38 or you're three for four question five a float titled future hockey in which kids dressed as NHL players with laser sticks I'm going to say no that is correct you've sifted out again there were no laser sticks there was no future thinking in hockey in fact most of these floats
Starting point is 00:56:59 involved all sorts of old people by the way it was Reggie Leach not Rick McLeach including some former players so we get to our next question Eric hang on I'm I'm uh what am I here I'm one for four one for five you're
Starting point is 00:57:15 you've gotten only one wrong you're killing it oh dude I'm only one this game's awesome. I love this game. Was there an NHL, Macy's Day Parade float featuring Flyers goalie Bernie Perrant? This sounds totally like a Bernie Perrant thing. I'm going to say yes. That's correct. I'm sorry, 2018.
Starting point is 00:57:34 What the NHL did on these floats, ladies and gentlemen, was they paired up a couple of retired players. Obviously, active players couldn't be in the parade. They're going to be playing hockey the next day, for God's sakes. So Bernie Perron, Mike Richter, Eric Lindross, and Adam Graves, Mark and Marty Howe, these are some of the big names that have loaded along in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. In one of the Stanley Cup parades, speaking of Bernie Perron, the late, I've always maintained the best angle goal tender of all time.
Starting point is 00:58:05 I still maintain of all those goalies. In the 70s, Bernie was the best. One of my favorite parade stories of Bernie. I don't know which cup it was, the first or the second. Bernie had to Midway through the parade Drop the kids off at the pool So left the parade
Starting point is 00:58:24 And knocked on a random's door To go use the washroom Really? Amazing It's a great story Whoop Nature's calling Bernie's got to go No, the story that I wanted to tell
Starting point is 00:58:38 I don't know if I've ever shared that When I used to do open line We have one more question Oh we had another one One more question How many questions You can tell your Santa Claus parade story. Okay, it's a bad one.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Finally, a float collaboration between the National Hockey League and Hostess Cupcakes called a salute to ice ice. That is a Greg Wischinsk. That's totally Greg Wershit. Not a chance. No way, no how. Last call. No. That is correct.
Starting point is 00:59:04 You got six out of seven on that quiz. One of your best quiz performances, I think, in the history of MBSW. I'm very impressed. I will note that Zach decided to put underneath the quiz. Uh, band deliverance banjo music, it sounds like, uh, odd choice, which I would say nothing to do with the Native Americans and the pilgrims, nothing to do with New York City, where this great is. No, nothing. Nothing whatsoever to do with Thanksgiving. We have a music library to be able to select from for the show. And I searched Thanksgiving. And that song was called Thanksgiving turkey shoot. And I was like, this works. That works.
Starting point is 00:59:42 Yeah. Oh, you did you accidentally hit Ned Beatty squealing like a pig and then play that track? You tell Amel that to stop payment on that check, we are not paying for this library. If that's what Thanksgiving music is coming up. Merrick, not to get all wrestling, but let's remember one of the most iconic themes in the history of wrestling, the NWO theme was royalty-free music that Eric Bischoff discovered. So you never know what's lurking in his life. Is that true? I didn't know that.
Starting point is 01:00:11 Yeah. That was like a temp track. And it was like a funk time track that he selected. And it ended up being the song that everybody remembers in the NWO. Yeah. That's amazing. You want to hear, you want me to wreck the Santa Claus parade for you? By all means.
Starting point is 01:00:30 Everybody watching and listening, get ready for me to wreck the Santa Claus parade for you? What am I hearing? Okay, here we go. Close your ears if you don't want the Santa Claus parade ruined. now this may be exclusive to the santa claus parade in toronto but this is years ago years before you and i met i was hosting an open line show seven to eight or seven to nine monday to friday jeff merrick's love lines that's right yeah to call with your with your marital problems and the single guy will solve it um hilarious it was a station that's aimed at middle
Starting point is 01:01:05 age meant nobody was married on the whole like on the whole it was amazing except for the morning show. Everybody else was like, has like three or four divorces. It was called Mojo Radio, Talk Radio for Guys, the all new AM 640. Everybody was divorced. Oh, topic of weather together on the eights. On the ones, yes. Okay. So anyway, so I had this producer who would always bring, be like, really cool guests, like off the wall, people from, it's like, I want people from the city. Like, give me people from Toronto, like that don't get a voice for a platform. And so one day, he brought in a sex trade worker. and I remember talking to her and asking her
Starting point is 01:01:41 towards the end of the interview and it was only like 20 minutes I said every industry has like all hands on deck time a day a week a month or whatever where it's like the busiest time what is it for your profession and I would have figured like
Starting point is 01:01:56 Valentine's Day like days that can be lonely for New Year's right and she said Santa Claus Parade I said what she goes dad drops the family off and then goes to look for parking and i couldn't find parking anywhere i had to drive and drive so we make more money faster on santa claus parade day than
Starting point is 01:02:27 we all know like rest up the night before because santa claus parade day is where we make a lot of money and really fast too that goes to look for parking i respect to santa claus But next time you see the Santa Claus Parade, just imagine. Thank you. What your boy, Jeff, you here told you. That is just a lot of people on the naughty list, ladies and gentlemen. Right away. Right.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Dad's got to find parking. There's no parking anywhere. Sorry, hon. I'm late. Yeah, 45 minutes. Couldn't find parking anywhere. Anywho, you got anything else before I wrap up for the show today that I've wrecked that. No, man, you know, give a read of the Nashville thing.
Starting point is 01:03:07 I think it's good. I think it's good insight to, yeah, that team and where it's at. And then everybody have a good, good rest of the week. I have, we've decided to host Thanksgiving this Thursday in our two-bedroom, Brooklyn apartment because we need home homemites advantage for the kids and naps and everything. And I will tell you that my brother-in-law and I are going to try to deep fry a turkey for the first time. I thought you've done that before. Have you never done that?
Starting point is 01:03:36 No, I've never deep fried a turkey before. I've defried many other things, but never a turkey. So I just want to say that there is probably like a 15% chance of this being the last time you hear from me. Does it come with paddles? I just, I just, I love you all. I appreciate you all. And thanks for supporting the show. All right.
Starting point is 01:03:59 And as Zach mentions on the digital show, the article is pinned on our chat. So you can go check out right from. there. It's excellent. Listen, I wish you in your arteries all the best. I wish you and your family and all of my neighbors, all the best on Thanksgiving on Thursday. We'll not see you, Greg. But please be kind to yourself and make good choices. I'll make good choices. By the way, I'm less concerned about the artery of it all than I am the explosion of a propane-filled tank of oil. That's kind of what I was referring to. I've never done this before. Have you And if anybody has any tips, at least in my way, for I'm a little nervous about,
Starting point is 01:04:42 I mean, best case scenario, we shoot this thing into the, into orbit. Like, it just somehow fires into the, Lisa Stratus style. Yeah, but worst case scenario, I blow up Brooklyn is one of the two. We'll figure it out. All the best, Godspeed. We'll talk to you in seven days. Be well. There is Greg Wischinsky from ESPN and ESPN.com.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Hey, Zach. Hey, Zach, he bellowed. Did I just ruin Santa Claus Parade for you? I walked by it on Sunday, so it's kind of disturbing how coincidental that is. You will never ever look at Santa Claus Parade the same. My jaw, I was just like, I'm running through all these different days where I'm thinking like, okay, it's all hands on deck. She's like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, no, no, Santa Claus. Pretty shocking discovery, I must say.
Starting point is 01:05:35 To find out that that's the most stuff. Because I was on the same page as you. I'm like Valentine's Day. Yeah, like a lonely day, like single guys, you know. Yeah. Maybe Christmas if you're lonely. And she's like, yeah, we're close. Yeah, we're like the day after or something.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah. No, the parade. The parade. I also didn't like how you threw in there and obviously you're relaying information. But make a lot of money and then the money part. And quickly. Quickly.
Starting point is 01:06:08 Quickly. Great. Yeah, got to move on. No, we're not sticking around the chat. Got to go. Other guys are trying to find parking. Yeah. The other dads, they're looking for parking.
Starting point is 01:06:24 They're looking for parking. I got to help them out. Straighten some things out with those guys. All right. I think we're done here. I think we're done here. Yeah. I think we're done here.
Starting point is 01:06:35 I think we're done with the day. I've got to save my voice for Del Manor tonight. Looking forward to this night. It's going to be a lot of fun. We'll talk about it tomorrow. We've had a lot of fun with these people at Del Manor. We'll fill you in tomorrow. Philly, you're going to be there tonight, right?
Starting point is 01:06:46 Oh, wait a minute. You want me to do it for you? I am not done. No, I'm going to, you know what? I said I was going to do it. I'm going to power through all of it. The sheet is powered by Fanduel. I'm going to hand the recreation over to you in two seconds, though.
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Starting point is 01:07:29 gambling of someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1866 531, 2,600 to speak to an advisor free of charge, Zach. Keep this on simple. The NHL knew we have a busy night. They knew you were under the weather, Jeff. So they did this accordingly. Get you some rest, get you to bed early. Should be a good game, though.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Say something else. Between we have one game on the schedule tonight. Dallas at Edmonton, the Dallas Stars plus 114, the Edmonton Oilers, minus 137 at home here tonight. Right. I mean, that's kind of all we all we go. I got here. I was just keeping it simple for it today with the one game.
Starting point is 01:08:08 And by the way, it was as pointed out in the chat yesterday or the comments. I gave out that point, parley. Yeah. Nobody got points. So no one, I think,
Starting point is 01:08:19 got points of that. So, yeah. I might just, like, leave these guys alone right now. And, you know,
Starting point is 01:08:26 like, go for it. It's fun. And then come back. Yeah. Go for it. But that's what I mean. Tonight,
Starting point is 01:08:30 either one game. Right. Come back tomorrow. One NHL game. A couple of other games, you might want to have a peek at PWHL back in action tonight is the home opener for the Montreal Victoire and our favor around here, Aaron Ambrose at Plas Bell,
Starting point is 01:08:44 the victoire coming off at 2-0-0-lost Sunday in Boston and the sirens blanked Ottawa on Saturday for Cobb. So Montreal opening up tonight and the Canada-USA prospect challenge as well. Man, we had fun at this last year. Game one tonight in Calgary tomorrow in Lethbridge, 6 o'clock Mountain, 8 o'clock. stern. So three games to keep your eyeballs on tonight. Thanks to Greg Wischinski, as always, for stopping by, as he does Tuesdays and Thursdays here on the program. And with that,
Starting point is 01:09:15 I'll take whatever is left of my voice up to get a cup of tea upstairs here. I hope you have a great rest of your day. Thanks for the buns and the use of the hall, as we like to say, around these parts. We'll talk to you tomorrow. It is Wednesday, so that means let's get ready to grumble with Brian Burke. And then we'll do something after Brian. Not quite sure. Oh, I know we're going to do with Brian. We're going to talk to Brian about something that Gabby and I talked about on the hockey lifers, and that is who's allowed to talk to players on the ice? Is it only the players? Is it the coaches as well? Yes or no? We'll talk to Brian about that tomorrow, amongst other topics from a GM perspective with Brian Burke. In the meantime, enjoy the rest of your
Starting point is 01:09:54 evening. Enjoy the hockey tonight. We will talk tomorrow at 1 o'clock Eastern on the sheet. I spent 16 hours last night every day this week, every day this month. I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day-to-day, because you can call it all right. I went to the dark man and tried to give me a little medicine. I'm like, no, and that's fine. I'm not against those men that's better new. It's me and myself. It's going to be fixing my mind
Starting point is 01:10:35 I do on the back I turned on the music I do want to back yeah, I turn it on the music fixing up and up and get you sometimes losing I've been on the days that we're wrong in the dead dark night

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