The Sheet with Jeff Marek - No Rush ft. Shayna Goldman

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

On this episode of The Sheet, Jeff Marek is joined by Shayna Goldman from The Athletic to break down the Florida Panthers capturing the Stanley Cup, Brad Marchand stirring the pot with some classic NHL trolling, and the fallout from Stan Bowman and Kris Knoblauch’s end-of-season pressers. They also dive into Mason Marchment being moved and what it means for Dallas. Plus, Sam Bennett says he's not going anywhere, Aaron Ekblad delivers an emotional speech, and the latest buzz on Mitch Marner’s future. All that and more on The Sheet.#TheSheet #StanleyCup #FloridaPanthers #BradMarchand #StanBowman #KrisKnoblauch #MasonMarchment #DallasStars #RyanDonato #SamBennett #AaronEkblad #MitchMarner #ShaynaGoldman #DavidPagnotta #NHL #HockeyNews #NHLRumors #NHLFreeAgency #HockeyTwitter #DailyFaceoffShout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Ninja Kitchen Canada: https://www.ninjakitchen.ca/products/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system-zidFN101CGY?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=olv&utm_campaign=25Q2-Crispi&utm_content=en👍🏼Budweiser: https://www.budweiser.ca/ca_enReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Here's what July 1st should be. Here's what free 1st should be. Here's what free agent day should be. It should be a bunch of drunken hockey players on a stage doing their contract negotiation in public in front of a crowd. What do you think? Starting at noon. Have to be buckled. Has to be a crowd. I don't know. I don't know if you remember LeBron going to Miami. Of course, yeah. They did the ESPN, LIA. The reveal, or was it called the choice? What was it called?

Yeah, yeah, on ESPN. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, the decision, that was it. The decision, the decision. The decision, yeah, that clown. Anyways, what Sam Bennett did last night was 10 million times more awesome. Going up on stage at 11 after winning back to back

Stanley Cups, being hammered, and making them also, by the way, quiet the crowd and the music, and then yelling, you know what, next. I'm staying right here. That was unreal. That's the best announcement of all time. Now, as Pierre Lebrun pointed out in the tweet, killjoy tweet right after. There's still a negotiation

that has to happen, etc, etc, etc. Yeah, of course. It's just a fun moment. That's all. Like last night was just flat out fun by the Florida Panthers tro trolling all the teams that let all of these players go. Listen, like any team can do that. No team's pure, no teams have all the, everyone on the Stanley Cup team, like only drafted players that developed in their system. That doesn't happen. Used to, once upon a time, million years ago,

doesn't happen anymore, as we all know. But still, like, again, just when you think, just when you might think for one second that Brad Marchand is out of trolling ideas, it's not just other players, it's other teams. Maybe other teams didn't wanna sign him too. Come July 1st. Jeff, he put a picture of Paul Maurice

and said, thank you, Jets. I know. Like, that is is, that one had all the other ones I liked I thought it was funny. I'm also selfish it's good for us doing content. I was like this is great and when he put out Paul Maurice I was like laughing out loud. I'm like this is just beyond what you could have ever asked for. Yes I like the promo that you put out for the show today. We're gonna go through the other rundown here in a couple of second the. Yes. I like the promo that you put out for the show today. We're gonna go through the other rundown here in a couple of seconds, the daily outline. I really liked

it and the first thing that came to mind, because you put a picture of Conor McDavid right next to Jonathan Taves and the news that Jonathan Taves is returning to the NHL, he's gonna play with the Winnipeg Jets. We're gonna go over his contract here in a couple of seconds, which the base is two and with bonuses you can get them to five. You gotta protect yourself, I get it, he hasn't played since 2023. But you know the first thing that I thought of? Is that Captain Sirius meets new Captain Sirius? Ha, yeah, that's actually a good point.

Yeah, Captain Sirius meets new Captain Sirius with a... It's Spider-Man meme. It's Spider-Man meme. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to think like... Without the cups on the Edmonton guy. With a... Yeah, there you go. There you go. That's what I was trying to put politely and figure out how I was going to soft land that one.

I know, I know. Without the... I wasn't going to say the success, but yeah, yeah, that's the way to put it. Yeah I want to go over the Stan Bowman comments from today as well The Oilers General Manager commenting on a number of things Net Minding and Connor McDavid. Those were top of mind essentially For everybody. Hey something I want to get your thoughts on too quickly before we get to the the daily outline I was on with the barn burner guys today and they're talking about pizza. Did I ever tell you my theory about pizza? Take this one into the weekend. Here's my theory about pizza. Pizza is the most perfectly named word for a food in the entire English

language. I want you to think about all the times that you were like Brad Marshand or Sam Bennett buckled. Okay, think of all the times that you were that ruined. Like you were just a puddle. Think about all those times, I swear everybody out there watching or listening right now as well. Think of all those times that that's been you. That you were Sam Bennett last night,

that you were Brad Marshand last night. Think about all those times. Have you ever mispronounced the word pizza? It's a perfect word. No. It's impossible to mispronounce. There's no stumble. There's no, there's no, there's no like speed bump part of the word itself. It is perfect. That's why it's always a perfect meal when you're hammered because you can't mispronounce it. You

can stumble over hamburger. That's easy. Off-season content is going to be. Yeah, why pizza is the perfect word. Because you can't mispronounce it. Have you ever mispronounced pizza? Anybody in the chat right now, have you ever mispronounced pizza? No. Impossible to mispronounce, that's why. I'll put a poll up.

It is, yeah. Have you ever mispronounced the word pizza? It's gonna be over, it's gonna be 100%. Unless, you know, some smartass, like Willie. Big Willie. He's gonna be over, it's gonna be 100% unless, you know, some smartass like Willie Big Willie is gonna say like, yeah I did, just to be contrarian. But no man, like it's a word that you can't mispronounce. We'll see where that poll goes. In the meantime, let's see what we got coming up on the program today. It's a big one because we got like, you know, trades and signings and stuff. Daily Outline powered by Fandual. Make every moment more with North America's number one sports book, FanDuel.

Coming up on the program today, two big guests, two of our favorites around these parts and all around Daily Face Off for that matter. Shana Goldman from the Too Many Men podcast and the Athletic will stop by. Dave Penyota from the fourth period and you see him sort of all around a lot of our properties here like pepper and parsley in the soup. Dave's gonna stop by here around 30 minutes time I believe. We'll talk about Taves and the new contract with the Winnipeg Jets. Congratulations Manitoba, your boy is back. We'll talk about the Florida Panthers announcing contract signings while buckled on stage last night and trolling every team in the NHL seemingly.

Mason Marchman finds his way from one tax-free state to another tax-free state. And we'll tell you why that's important in a couple of seconds. And dovetailing that, the Dallas Stars with a couple of signings today. So I think right now, after their two signings today, Maverick Bork and Nils Lundqvist, they have $2.7 million worth of cap space and still big decisions on the horizon. And we'll talk about free agency as well. Do you wanna have a look at that bonus structure, by the way, or you wanna wait till Shana hops on here

for the effort for Jonathan Taves? I mean, it's the base of $2 million. And then don't get dizzy with all these numbers. One of the reasons why I got into sports after graduating university in the mid-90s was no math. No math please. And now that I cover hockey in a very sophisticated CBA, it's all math.

And if I had to do it all over again, I probably would have taken it. If I knew I was going to cover sports in my life, as opposed to just read books and mark papers and do a PhD in English, I would have like taken more math classes or maybe even been a lawyer in order to sort of really understand how this industry works but nonetheless after 20 regular season games 30 40 50 60 $550,000 bonuses trigger playoff bonuses as well, Stanley Cup final bonuses etc. can get things this up to about five million dollars just courtesy of Ken Wiebe and some guy by the name of Elliot Friedman. Yeah who is that guy? I don't know I'm

vaguely familiar with him we may or may not have broken in together back in 1994 at the fan when it was owned by telemedia back at 40 Holly Street. Nonetheless it's an interesting one. You can understand, like first of all, for the sentimental folk out there, and that's me, and it's just a byproduct of getting older, this one's nice. I know the local boy goes home story doesn't always work, but I think we always wondered, would Jonathan Taves ever go back and play with his hometown? The Winnipeg Jets, the thing about it is now if the Winnipeg Jets weren't a Stanley Cup contender I don't know that Jonathan Taves chooses the Winnipeg Jets to make

his comeback. You know what I mean? Like if the Winnipeg Jets like floundering and rebuilding and they hadn't resigned the goalie in the center two years ago he's probably not choosing Winnipeg Jets but the fact that they're a competitive team made this one a lot easier. A quick thought on this one here. I'm gonna get the Shannon coming up in a couple of seconds. Happy to see him come back. I also think this is the kind of guy who's not coming back just for the sake of it. If he didn't think he could play and compete, then he's not going to. That contract, and compete then he's not going to. That contract, I kind of love it. I love the bonus reading everything put out like that because I also think the other part of it is if he can hit

every single one of those things, he's probably- Well then the Jets win the cup. He can hit every one of them. Right. Well, every single one. I mean at at least like, you know, the majority of year, if he's knocking off the games played and then the playoffs and he's helping them with that stuff. Like this is a home run by every single metric for the jets. Like this is a perfect contract. One thing I want to ask you, and if you could explain it to people who maybe don't know, how does this work AAV wise, salary cap wise for the Winnipeg Jets? Could you just put that out there for people?

Because that's something I've seen people asking, not getting clear answers on, and someone asked me, and I couldn't figure out how to give them a clear answer. So in this one, and by the way, let me know when Shana is standing by, because a lot of this will be bonus that goes into next season but let me call up our friends here so the salary the salary cap like the base that he's getting paid is the two million dollars and the the the bonuses and you see this with teams

each and every year they have bonuses that get paid, that go on to count towards next year's salary cap. But for the purposes of how you collect and snapshot the salary cap commits for next season for the Winnipeg Jets, it is a $2 million contract with performance bonuses that take it up to that take it up to five With that let's get the Shayna you have heard around the too many men caught podcast

You have read her work at the athletic and you've seen and heard her here complete with her burn book behind her She's the one and only Shannon Goldman and she joins me now Shanna We're just talking about Jonathan Taves and that incredible contract Now, Shannon, we're just talking about Jonathan Taves and that incredible contract, laden with bonuses, as it may be, which could top them up at $5 million. At the base is $2 million for salary cap purposes next year for the Winnipeg Jets. First of all, the choice for the Winnipeg Jet,

like for him to choose the Winnipeg Jets, there is obviously mutual interest, local boy goes home, et cetera. Quick thought on Jonathan Taves. He's back. And maybe that's the big story. We're just happy that there's a Jonathan Taves back in the NHL universe. Thoughts on Taves, thoughts on the Jets, thoughts of this marriage? I think the Jets need help down the middle. So check one for them. I think they have bigger things and bigger fish to fry this off season. Like, I don't know the either situation potentially replacing him, but it's never a bad thing to have extra centers.

I do think it everyone needs to be careful about what he's going to bring to the lineup, right? Because I feel like I've seen it hyped up a lot like oh great. He can jump in and be a 2C and it's like that's in a perfect world, right? Like he has not played in two years. The game is a lot faster than it was two years ago. It's a lot more skilled and this isn't someone doing it like landiscock did it, you know, he's in his early 30s. This is a 37 year old. So it's that much tougher to get back up to speed

when you have a short-term injury, let alone you're out of the game for two years. And we know it, nothing replicates game action. So he hasn't had that practice and those reps that he's gonna need. I think realistically he's slotted more as a three C, let's say, and he can work his way up from there. I think that's, youotted more as a 3C, let's say, and he can work his way up from there.

I think that's, you have to take the careful approach in this case. You know, one of the things that we wonder about now too, is listen, Mark Shafely is the first line center for the Winnipeg Jets full stop. And now if he's taking 2C, or is he taking 2C? Because listen, I really like Vladistav Domestikov. I think he's an excellent hockey player

and a really versatile player for the Winnipeg Jets. And I guess like further to your point, that's the battle. Who is getting that 2C spot for the Winnipeg Jets? Then you get to Lowry, who's like kind of a perfect 3C here. Like again, maybe it's a good problem to have, just like we have too many D,

we have too many centers here now all of a sudden. If you're gonna have too many of anything, you want too many of centers, right? Like the best teams we see it, it's you have all these extra options, you can mix and match your lines as you need. You're not stuck to just these three, these four players have to play down the middle

and nobody else can. So definitely a good problem to have. Having Lowry there is a big addition, a big help, I should say, because he can play top competition. I think that they've eased Shipeley into tougher matchups too, especially over the last year. So you can afford to shelter Taves if need be, which we saw that second line get sheltered with Ehlers and Profetti. So it could work.

I mean, for all we know, he's going to slot down to Forsee and work his way up from there. Like, it's really going to be interesting because there's so much we don't know. There's always uncertainty with player acquisitions, right? Every single player transaction comes with an element of uncertainty. And as much as you can project and assume and, you know, guess how players are going to fit and how they'll react, you don't know. And here it's even, you know, it's more of a wild card, but it's not a bad thing to have. I think what's going to be interesting is they'll react you don't know and here it's even you know it's more of a wild card but it's not a bad thing to have I think what's gonna be interesting is who plays around him because sometimes when you have players

who aren't true cuts for that position right and generally a center is the driver of his own line and in his heyday that's what he was but he's not anymore we don't know is what's the caliber of wing around you and you think of like the Vegas years right of Chandler Stevenson playing between Pasciredi and Mark Stone like he wasn't a 1C caliber, but his wingers were the drivers of his line, so it was just fine. So how do they account for that if Ehlers isn't there? You know, one of the things that I should have done, and I want to get a quick chat

about Jonathan Taves here out of the way, because it is kind of the headline story of the day. We'll get to Mason Marchman in a couple of seconds. And I want to get your thoughts on the Fort of the Panthers and announcing contract signings while drunk on stage in front of teammates and a crowd, which I think every July 1st should be. But bracket that for a second. You know we talked about off the top of the program today? Pizza. Okay.

And here's the point that I was trying to make. Pizza is the perfectly named food because it is impossible to mispronounce. Either maybe when you've been buckled yourself, Young Shannon Golden. Never. Or when you've been around someone else who's been, have you ever heard or have you yourself ever mispronounced the word pizza?

I maintain it is impossible to mispronounce. As a message, you cannot mispronounce it. Like you can mispronounce it. I'm looking over your left shoulder right now and there's a hot dog. You can mispronounce it. It's Lizzie Girl summer, you gotta have a hot dog. I know, I get it, I get it.

You and I have a mutual love for pickles, but you can mispronounce pickles. There's a couple of speed bumps in there, you could. Well, if you're buckled, you can. You sure can, but pizza is just so perfect. Your favorite pizza before we go on to talk about Mason Marchment. Pizza break here.

You're ordering a pie tonight. What's on it for you? Okay, if I'm getting a single specialty slice, I am getting a penne slice. I generally don't get that as the full pie. It's a lot for a full pie, but as a single slice, I want that. If I'm getting a pie, I am big on for a full pie, but as a single slice I want that if I'm getting a pie

I am big on like a grandma pie or a margarita pie, but I'm not I'm not picky at all like Ali dominoes with black olives. That's if I'm bald that's a lot. I'm thinking black olives. Oh, yeah It's delicious on pizza. Are you raised by when the olives in general first of all like no you're wrong I'm sure you're not even going I'm not even going there with that because you're so wrong on that one But no, I we have so many options for pizza here. Actually, I I'm good with a plain slice We're going on an adventure this summer where we're gonna try just in my town along this pride 20 pizza places If that if not more we're gonna try the plain slices at every single one and come up with a rating system because we're very Curious who truly has the best because it's been a debate. So I will take any kind

of pizza but I think if you can do it right, a perfect classic pie, there's nothing wrong with that. I love that you have a research project for the summer that involves food. I'm a big, big fan of that. Okay, I'm back to business now in the very seriousness of hockey. I haven't talked to you on the air anyhow since the Florida Panthers won the Stanley Cup, back-to-back Stanley Cup champions, three-time Stanley Cup finalists here like it is. It's certainly impressive, but I don't know that we're in an area now yet where I'm ready to say in the salary cap era, the Florida Panthers have distinguished themselves and have pulled themselves away from the pack that includes the Kings, the Hawks,

the pens, the bolts. You don't know what I'm going for here, right? Like there's, they haven't yet settled the question of in the salary cap era, who's been the best team, agree or disagree? Um, they're up there. I, I, I don't think I could pinpoint one right now because then you have to create this whole rating system In a rubric and now it's another project. So I would've done this for pizza. You're about to do this for pizza slices Listen we went back. Um

Shit, I don't remember how long ago but we did this at the athletic Where we looked at the best Stanley Cup champs, I think it was of the salary cap error possibly I think so I have Tampa Bay rated pretty highly up there But I do think it's Tampa and Florida and its recency bias a bit But I think also just the skill to do it the way they've done it the path that they've taken Right, like it's not like they've gone the easiest paths They saw our last year the Panthers and I would say the same for Tampa Bay one of their years to get here So they're up there for me. I think the fact that you're a team that gets to the Stanley Cup final three straight years and

the Kings, there's gaps in between and the Blackhawks it's every other year, right? So it's a little bit different too to do it in a salary cap hour and you do it every year and you do it with the same core and you just keep rotating the pieces around it. It's a strategy for success. I think everyone should be taking note of it because to me, they are two of the best teams, like two of the best champs we've seen. What are the, um, like again, like we always wonder, okay, and now a lot of other teams out there are going to be, you know, looking for their own version of Sam Bennett and their own Brad Marshans, et cetera.

Aaron Echblad, those are the big three that we're, we're wondering about. To me, one of the takeaways from this Florida Panthers organization is as much as the Carolina Hurricanes led by Eric Tulsky, Tyler Dello are the, um, the team that's considered, you know, the team that runs everything through analytics filters, Florida's right there too. Yep. Sunny Meta is one of the brightest minds when it comes, he's got a fascinating through analytics filters. Florida's right there too. Yeah. Sunny Meadow is one of the brightest minds when it comes, he's got a fascinating story,

former professional musician, former professional poker player, derivatives trader, I believe briefly in Chicago for a while was a consultant with the Coyotes in the capitals for a number of years, hired by the New Jersey Devils, finds himself now with the Coyotes in the capitals for a number of years hired by the New Jersey Devils Finds himself now with the Florida Panthers as much as the Florida Panthers look and feel like an old school team It's new school measurement and new school evaluation. That's made all this possible

Yeah, it has been for some time, right? It this is not it wasn't just starting with Sonny you go back to the years before even through all the down This is not it wasn't just starting with Sonny you go back to the years before even through all the down Dale Talon messes you have Eric Joyce you have Steve cam gosh you have all of those you know the computer boys Yeah, Kim. They're finding Carter Verhege That's that's you know one of Kim Lawrence's signature finds right and everybody hypes him up for it And now he's overworking in Columbus like they put in this foundation to drafting and developing players and also spotting these market inefficiencies to build this team and they took it in a different direction with this front office but they still have it because at the end of the day if you're going to be the most competitive team in this league you're going to be using every single tool available to you

right you're using the eye test who among us isn't watching right like that one grinds my gears so you're watching stuff but sometimes when you're watching something, we're all biased, inherently biased people, right? Scoring goals in big moments, we're going to remember, and it might not be the little plays that lead up to it. So it helps to have the numbers and the data as a vibe check behind what you're seeing to confirm what you're seeing. It also might be, you have a question, right? Like, why is this player doing this? Or why isn't this player doing this? And this is going to help you figure it out and maybe solve a problem that you weren't having before why is your power play failing it might be that you're entering the zone in this spot and

everyone's scouting that you do in your entry percentages down and that's step one that you need to address while you look to the numbers right so there's all these different tools out there it's the same thing as saying put pucks on neck now we're counting shot attempts right and everyone gets all up in arms about that there are so many things out there that It's the same thing as saying put pucks on Nick, now we're counting shot attempts, right? And everyone gets all up in arms about that. There are so many things out there that if you're the best team, you're gonna use every bit of information

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conversation about building a team and, and, and, and using numbers to evaluate players as everybody does anyway. I'm just talking about like super sophisticated, you know, um, uh, uh, uh, analytics that goes into, goes into evaluating players. And this person said to me, and this is someone in the analytics community,

who said, all anyone is doing here is just trying to get the best combination of players. And I said, what do you mean? And this person said to me, do you think anyone in the NHL would have beaten the Four Nations, Team Canada or Team USA? I said, no.

He goes, just a collection of great players. That's all we're trying to do here. But sometimes when you look at the Florida Panthers, everything just works. And I wonder about that one thing called luck that we never like to talk about because we want to pretend that we can explain away everything. And this is why this happened. And that's why that thing over there happened. That's why this is working in concert and everything is producing a Stanley

cup, even when you look at a team like the Florida Panthers, which all the decisions are very deliberate and very well thought out. I don't know if there's a percentage you can put on it, but how much for you does luck factor into all of this? At the end of the day, it's frozen water and a rubber biscuit that that one's chasing around on this frozen, you know, on all these ice cubes. Yeah, skating on knives and shooting pucks a hundred miles per hour. There has to be some luck in it.

Like ice surfaces are, you know, made to perfection, but that perfection has imperfections and there's going to, you know, pucks going to hit a rut and it's going to bounce weird, right? Like that's part of it. And no ship's going to fire the puckucks gonna hit a rut and it's gonna bounce weird right like that's part of it and no ships gonna fire the puck over the glass because of it in the last five minutes of a game that's why your boy Jeffy wants to have 20 minute periods turn into 15 minute quarters but everyone's gonna bark and say this isn't basketball I'm with them I'm with everyone on that one I'm against you there but no you need hang on you need

also not for what pause enough one second And here's why hockey is like, I look at, you know, pick any other sport, baseball, football, golf, like pick all these other other sports. They go out of their way to make sure that as the game goes on, the surface remains pure and clean and safe for the athletes hockey. I mean, I know there's like dry scrapes here and there at TV timeouts. Hockey watches their deteriorate as the period is going on. And you know what it's like trying to make passes in the last five minutes of a period. I mean, I felt, we all felt even if, I mean, unless you're an Oilers fan, everyone felt horrible at Thomas Nozhek for a game one and the puck over the glass.

You know, that's because of the ice late in the period and then the Oilers score and others were up one nothing in a series and the puck over the glass. You know, that's because of the ice late in the period. And then the Oilers score and others were up one, nothing in a series. And it's a great comeback for the Edmonton Oilers. But I mean, the only, the only thing, if we do think that there is a problem with the ice in the last five minutes,

the only thing that I can think of is four quarters. Okay, fair. But I also think you have to like account for that, right? Like, you know, it's different on a fresh sheet of ice versus what it might be like at the end of the game and the end of a period. And I think it adds like another element to it that you have to prepare for it.

So until it's deemed unsafe, because then yes, it would have to be changed. I'm not changing it. But back to your question about luck. I would say like, it's good to be lucky, but you can't, you know what I mean? Like it's good to be lucky but you can't you know what I mean like it's good to be lucky but you can't just be lucky and that's why you're good. There's there's an element of sustainability right someone's shooting 25% generally what comes up goes down and they might go

through a huge regression to get back to average. It doesn't always happen but you you know you have to be lucky but I think with the Panthers yes they got lucky bounces yes they were lucky to not get calls on certain things. But I think with the Panthers, yes, they got lucky bounces. Yes, they were lucky to not get calls on certain things. I also think until someone tells you to stop and change the boundaries, you keep pushing it because why shouldn't you right? Push the bounds until someone literally says you can't do that. Just play the game as hard as you can. But I think with them, it's so much bigger than I think

part of their success. They're lucky that guys want to be there, but they've made it that people want to be it's's an organizational buy-in from top to bottom to go all in on this window. And I think that needs to be talked about a ton. This is not half-assing it and saying, we're going to dip our toe in to the deadline or into free agency and invest in some players, but hold back on others. They are going balls to the wall every chance that they get and they're going to compete top to bottom. And I think that buy-in trickles down.

The coaching staff, they are all in. This is the system. This is how we're playing it. We're going to compete top to bottom. And I think that buy in trickles down the coaching staff. They are all in. This is a system. This is how we're playing it. We're going to commit to it. We're going to help every player be the best version of themselves. So the players are all bought in. So you come into that room, you want to buy in and be a part of it, too, because if you're a player, everyone's going to say, oh, they're only signing there because it's lower taxes. That's why they take team friendly deals.

I think the players, it's infectious because they know if you go there, there's such a commitment to winning. You have a better chance of winning a Stanley Cup because they will do everything to do it right. And you could be a part of that. So you want to have that hometown discount in that sense too. I think all of those factors come together and it just it works right. Players want to be there.

They're pumped to be there. They have all these different skill sets that they're putting together and they know how to push their buttons in the right way. But it starts all the way at the top because they know what they're going after. Can you see them winning another Stanley Cup? And if so, can you see them winning two more? Why not?

This is what I think has to happen. If they're not going to win a Stanley Cup, this is my theory. An Eastern Conference team has to sign Corey Perry. That is not the Florida Panthers. And if they get Corey Perry, they're guaranteed to be the last Eastern Conference team has to sign Corey Perry. That is not the Florida Panthers. And if they get Corey Perry, they're guaranteed to be the last Eastern Conference team state will not win in the Stanley Cup finals. But that's how they're gonna get there

and beat the Panthers. But honestly, I do think this core is very good, right? And in their strategy, we've seen Vegas do similar things in Tampa Bay, but like it's worked out differently for them. The Panthers are betting on a core who they have committed to and everybody else is interchangeable around them, right? They let Brandon Montour walk walk. They did not successfully replace them. They tried Boquist. It didn't work, right? So they knew they had to it was trial and error throughout the year until you could fill that role properly and in that they have

Seth Jones now they have a piece that is Cemented into place so now you can let our neck blood walk and try to find a replacement for him at a discount. I think it's a smart strategy to have that this core you're going to keep competing with. Obviously, we're going to see as they age how it goes. But guys like Forsling and Barkoff and Kachak and Sam Reinhart, like they have a lot more to give. This is not their 33 years old signing eight year deals because that's the kiss of death for some contenders trying to keep it going, right? And I think they know if they let someone walk,

someone else is gonna jump to sign them that they can go for that minimum contract to balance it all out. Okay, let me ask you one more thing about luck. I'm just doing this off the top of my head here. Do we ever do anything according to plan? Of course it's off the top of your head. Dude, seriously, I just wanted to talk about

pizza and pickles with you. And here we go talking about, you know, Aaron Aroneckblad and the Florida Panthers. But speaking of Aroneckblad and luck. So we make a lot about Matthew Kachuck's injury in LTIR, et cetera. And now we find out just how bad he was banged up and how much he was injured.

Also this year, there's a 20 game suspension for Aaron Echblad for a PED violation. Now that money came off the cap while he was suspended, which opened up the opportunity for the Florida Panthers to acquire Brad Marshand, Seth Jones. Do we look at the, this is like along the lines of the, you know, the, uh, the Zen farmer example, right? Maybe, maybe, maybe. Was that good luck? Yeah.

The PED violation. Was that just like, you look at it, well, hindsight, that was really good luck for the Florida Panthers. Yeah. I don't have a problem with the LTIR usage for Matthew Kachak, right? Because not only did he not sustain those injuries in Florida, it was for four nations. Yeah, I'm fine with it. Yeah, they shouldn't get screwed and not for nothing. The guy was injured.

Yes, he was back to the playoffs and it's the same thing with Kuturov when he had his hip surgery. But you look at, yes, they're scoring. Their scoring in round one is primarily on the power play where you can be a lot more stationary and you can take that time to get up to gear. Kuturov's skating was complete shit when he came back from his LTIR and Kachuk did not look on to present in round one either. So I get it, people are pissed and I think that there in some cases there's reason to do investigations to ensure everything's kosher and you should do that anyway. But for the suspension, I

have two ways I would rather see this go. I either think there needs to be like a cap hit penalty, right? So maybe you get 50% relief because the team, if a player makes it- Probably means nothing come off the cap at all. I'm fine. I'm fine with that. Like if you want to really motivate players to walk, like there's nothing more than like, oh, I let my team down.

Like, oh, that's a killer for a lot of these guys. No, 100%. I'm fine with it being fully on. Like that's path killer for a lot of these guys. No, 100%. I'm fine with it being fully on. Like, that's, that's path A, if not a percentage something. The other path, though, is I would take similar to baseball. If he's suspended for 20 games, and those 20 games trickle into the playoffs, guess what, bestie? You're not eligible for the playoffs, and you're missing two regular season games next

year. That is the big fuck you if you want to, like, make a statement. And I think that there's something to it. Maybe you don't do it on the first infraction, but the second one you do like there's a scale for it because it's very extreme. Maybe step one is you don't get cap relief and step two, if this is your second infraction, you don't get to return for the playoffs or maybe off the bat. Like I think it's something that should be talked about a ton.

Like you have to be super strict on that. Right? Like this is everyone wants to talk about integrity of the game and is complaining about video review. Here's integrity of the game. There's something about it that didn't fully sit right that he only missed two playoff games because it happened to be the end of the suspension.

I like how you're game seven about everything, Shayna. I try. You are game seven about all of it. Now, Mesa Marchman goes from Dallas to Seattle. And I think the first thing that probably a lot of us notice is he goes from one tax-free state to another tax-free state. I don't think Seattle was the only team

looking to acquire Mason Marchman. I also believe that there were other teams that probably offered the Dallas Stars more than a third round pick and a fourth round pick. So I think a lot of fans looked at this last night and said, hold on a second, if I'm a Maple Leafs fan, we'd offer more if I'm a whomever fan. We do offer more than a third and a fourth

for Mason Marchman have that dimension, that element into our lineup. And the one thing that someone mentioned to me last night is this is where Jim Nill's reputation comes into the equation. And this is Jim Nill playing the long game that he doesn't want the Dallas Stars to have a reputation where if you sign with us and agree to take less, we will not send you somewhere you don't want to be when the relationship is over. And if you look at Jim Neal, like he kind of always sends players to places

where they can succeed and they can thrive. Jim Neal doesn't have a reputation where, you know what? Yeah, don't sign with one of Neal's teams. He's going to, you know, when the, don't sign with one of Nell's teams. He's going to, you know, when, when the situation is over between, between you and his squad, you know, he's going to, he's, he's not going to accommodate where you want to go. He goes from one non-tax state to another non-tax state. And I look at that and I say, that is such a Jim Nell move. That is, you know what?

I know we could get better, better compensated for this trade, but I'm playing the long game here because somewhere down the road, if we develop that reputation of screwing players, then we're not going to be able to get players. You know what I'm getting at? And does that resonate? I see where you're going, but I would say teams and players are still signed with Vegas and Vegas does not give a shit about your feelings. They are cutthroat and conducting their business however they see fit. Now, there's a difference between living in Vegas and Dallas, maybe.

Or you know what I mean? Like Vegas is a tax free state too. Well, yes, yes. But I think it's bigger than that. Like if you're in Vegas, you have no idea if you're going to be sent to like Siberia just to create cat, like you might not be playing, but no, let me, let me give you the example. Like I, and I have never asked the player

if he was legitimately pissed at this, but I kind of have to think that he was. Like when Ryan Ellis, who signed a long-term contract with the Nashville Predators, was traded to the Philadelphia Flyers, that involved a pay cut. Because all the side here- Yeah, every shit is part of it.

A no tax date to a tax date. And I remember people from the Nashville Predators would always tell me, look, one of the things that Nashville sells is like, hey, we're a family and we all take less to be successful here, et cetera. But also he said, if you agree to take less in a city like Nashville, you better get a no-trade clause.

Like don't, or no-move clause. Don't take the deal unless it comes with a no-move. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for a pay cut somewhere down the road. Yeah, I think in some cases that's gonna matter. I honestly do think the tax stuff gets a little bit overhyped with it because I would call some of it just like when you're signing that extension, right? Like if whatever Sam Bennett's number is going to be, I'm going to say it's a hometown discount to stay with

the team that has that commitment to winning. It's a little bit different, but when you're signing as a free agent purely, maybe it's a little bit more of the conversation of taking less, right? If you're Mason Marshmint going from Florida to dallas you might be taking less to play there so i do think it's a consideration but i think it's also the stars doing this now had they waited maybe they could have gotten more but i think there was a there was a bit of pressure to get this done sooner than later and make it clear like hey we're clearing out cap the right way and not moving jason robertson and settling things down Not hamstringing a new coach before they even come in and I think also like you they got the Maverick Bork contract on the next Day, right and that's when I think yeah Yeah, though

I think for Bork in particular that was like your low-key offer sheet potential one of those like I don't think it was low-key Shane I don't know. I don't think we was low. I think everyone's looking at that one going like, Ooh, cause we saw the, would they have like $500,000 yesterday with the cap space and everyone went like, well, say goodbye to Maverick Bork then. I mean, low key in the sense of like a Dylan Holloway versus a Matthew Nyes, right? Like it's a different caliber, let's say, but that's one of those like offers. She can, I think it just settles things down to get it done sooner than later.

I think the tax part of it could be a part of conversation. Although you know, price of living is way different in Washington than Dow. Yeah. And that's part of it too. But no, I think it just it's a good way like, here's a team that is going, you know, maybe could try something and you'll have a good role there and you're not gonna be rotting away and say San Jose or Chicago in the middle of a rebuild if that's really what you don't want. Like I think it's a good way to have a good reputation, which you want to have and I think some

general managers have to work more for it than others, right? I think for Vegas you can get away with murder. I think for the Rangers you probably can too and like some of those big name teams, but not everyone can afford that. Real quick, do you have a thought on what we heard that will end on this one? Do you have a thought on what we heard out of Conor McDavid yesterday? Now, it wasn't exactly what Oilers fans wanted to hear.

Today, General Manager Stan Bowman said he's earned the right to take his time, and we have to respect that. Also added that, you know, listen, McDavid is gonna be priority number one, but also goaltending, surprise, surprise, is gonna be a priority for Bowman and the Edmunds and the Oilers.

But starting with yesterday's press conference and Oilers fans, not quite hearing what they wanted to hear out of their captain. Sucks, but it's his right. It is absolutely his right. I feel like fans sometimes forget players don't owe you shit at the end of the day. Like I know that's harsh to say, but they don't.

And people get really upset sometimes where players decide to go. You know, oh, I can't believe they would want to live here, take this here instead of doing this. When it's a big decision where you're committing to spend the next seven to eight years of your life, you should take time. And after losing two straight years in the Stanley Cup final, you absolutely should take the time. And also keep in mind, this is not his general manager of his whole career, right? There's been a lot of change. Now it's Stan Bowman, who doesn't exactly have the best track record, if we're talking strictly on the ice, of building a team. He's made a lot of mistakes along the way. I mean, you look at the Trent Frederick

contract, even starting with that versus anything else is a choice. I don't have an issue with him wanting to see what direction someone else now is going to take this team in because he didn't have a full off season last year, learn his tendencies and things like that. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't think there's anything wrong with settling what just happened over the last two years and contemplating your future. This is a decision he should think on. Yes, everyone wants it done July 1st. Yes, that's going to change how the Oilers proceed this summer, but no matter what, whether or not you have Connor McDavid, you need a goaltender, you need more help on the back end,

you need more secondary scoring. All of that's still gonna be true, whether or not he's there. So they should conduct business as usual, and maybe they'll get it done later this off season like they did with TriSettle last year, and just let everything settle down now. I think one of the things that McDavid did yesterday, we'll close on this, one of

the things that McDavid did yesterday was he calmed everyone down about July 1st and sort of lowered expectations of when you could hear an announcement about his contract extension. I mean there's something along the lines of like, it almost made it sound like McDavid was saying, look, I'm gonna see what this team does here in the off season. And then I'm gonna make up a mind.

Cause you know, we talked about, you know, if I see windows to win multiple championships or consistently win here, then signing is easy. This one to me was like, all right, I'm gonna lob this one into Stan Bowman's court. Right? Like, show me you can do this. Show me you can do this and then we'll talk about contract. I think one of the things you did yesterday was calm everybody down about July 1st.

Now we're prepared for July 1st, July 2nd, July 3rd, July 4th to come and go without a McDavid contract. Agreed or disagree? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's totally fair because I'm sure we're going to, like, I won't be surprised if Kaprizov signed July 1st to extend, right? So then I'm going to put pressure on this situation. If I'm Stan Bowman and I'm the Eulish front office, I know the NHL isn't as star-driven as, say, the NBA where LeBron James is hand-picking who he wants to play with But if you're committed to Connor McDavid I would want his input on the decision-making process too for certain things too Like if you're looking who are the wingers you think you'll click with this is who we're contemplating like

We might not take his opinion and you could hurt relationships if you completely disregard everything he says But take some of what he thinks would work into consideration. Well, he's a smart guy. He's not just a good player. He has a ton of hockey IQ and I think knows what'll click with him, what'll click with certain players and kind of like get some input from him on what he thinks the team needs. I think that's a good show of like good faith too of we don't just want to build

around you, we want to build with you, right? this is going to be your championship window you're the best player in the world I don't think every team can afford to do that I don't think every player deserves that but I think the select few I don't know a Sidney Crosby or Conor McDavid they burn that. Can I keep you for a couple more questions real quick or you have stuff to do today what do you know what you said no no no I'm good I'm going by the pool and we're done with this. So hit me. You taking the dogs?

Dogs are already there. I came back from the pool for this. That's how it is. It's beautiful out in the summer. I'm enjoying it. First day of summer. You're the absolute best. Okay.

This is a, this is an essay. Team I'm most curious about leading up to the draft, at the draft and then into free agency by Shana Goldman. Which team is that? For me, it's Utah. For me, it's Utah. Yeah. I think they're a very good pick.

I'm intrigued because I don't think they're as far away as some people make them seem. I think we saw that progress that last year in Arizona and I think there were some really high highs last year. They can be healthier and keep making bold moves. I liked what they did last year. I am beyond intrigued to see what they're going to do. I wonder about Eckblad there. Right shot first. I wonder about some top wingers there.

Like I want to see what they do with that. I I'm curious about John Tavara's there with Utah. Why not? They have a lot of young players, right? That's why... I don't think you want to take your guys' time from Barrett Hayton though. You're signing him. It's going to be a winger to start and then center if need be.

So he has to be okay with that. You have a thought on Anaheim. And here's why I ask. It seems as if recruiting is a lot easier for Pat Ferbeek now. And listen, there is, I don't see a lot of, there's not like Iserman pressure on Pat Ferbeek. Like, trust me, and you know this, like Iserman is feeling it. Especially after last year watching, you know, watching the Ottawa

senators make it to the playoff, watch the Montreal Canadians. I mean, that's the one, that's the one. I know, that is the one. The Montreal is one more so than Ottawa, you're right. You're right. I don't think that there's a Iceman pressure on Pat Forbeek, but I feel like this is the first year where I think people are looking to Pat Forbeek and saying,

okay, you're gonna give us something here. Yeah. And it's easier to recruit. I mean, I'm sure that part of the lure for Chris Crider going to Anaheim was, was Joel Quenville. Give a thought on, on what they look like here. Yeah, I'm very curious what they're going to do here because they have a ton of cap space.

Obviously like they had to acquire some contracts because they don't have a ton, but they have some really good players. And I think you're getting to that point, especially changing coaches. Like Cronin I think said all the right things when, especially changing coaches like Cronin, I think said all the right things when he was hired and it just didn't work out the way it was expected. I was very excited about him when he took over and it just really fell flat.

A couple of years ago, like this was the young ducks, like they were exciting. They were high flying. You were watching every game even though you knew they would lose. And like the Sharks were that this year. But you have to end the Sabres were that a few years ago, too. You have to build on that. and they just haven't done it. They have a ton of talent here. So what are you going to do to get them going and, and do it as they're entering their prime? Like it's totally different.

If you're going to have a young team pushing to the playoff picture, you, your opportunities are completely different versus someone doing it and everyone's 30 and 31 years old, right? Like it's so different than everyone's 24 years old. I think they have so much talent there. It's time to see it start to come to fruition. And also, like with certain things, the Gibson situation, it's like, should I get off the pot? It's time to make a decision there because it's just going on far too long that I think you need some closure in some ways to really open up this next error or just say,

we're good with him being a one B and call it a day. The ask for him at times has been two first round picks. Yeah. For and it's tough because you can assume again at the beginning rate of the ducks being really bad in his numbers going south after being so good, you could say, well, the environment, what goal you would survive behind that. And you could start digging up things and go, he was good. He hit a wall. And you look at the defense and understand why it happened

But year after year after year that's happening It's just gonna crater his value and get to a point where it's like did he regress too far because of the situation they put Him in and now it's unfixable. Yeah Real quick sings in the chat. Izer plan was an unmitigated disaster. I mean at this time will end on this one I I think internally there are some there in Detroit, and this may be an oversimplification, they just wanna blame the whole thing this season on goaltending.

Dylan Larkin was quite vocal about the lack of action from his general manager at trade deadline time, to which his general manager said essentially, you guys didn't deserve a trade. Oof. How do you see Detroit right now, Shana? Well, in there. You guys didn't deserve a trade oof How do you see Detroit right now Shayna? Well in there? I think he could have said that a year ago and it would have been Fine, but this deadline it's like why didn't you make a coaching change sooner? Why did you trade Jake Wallman for nothing and not have a second move to follow up?

Even if things fall through you need to have backup plans and all different contingencies I think that there's so much pressure on him to fix so many different things and you don't want to waste anybody's time, right? Like Cider, he was drowning in his usage, right? Like it's just so wrong and now you see the pieces are starting to come to fruition. You're like, okay, the potential is there, but they're just not building on it and acting on it the right way. I don't understand it. You have to take some risks and they're not doing it enough. Um, every year Prashanth does this plan and everybody look him up. He's on blue sky. You can subscribe to a sub stack and it's what I would do if I were Steve Iverson

and right. It is a masterpiece. He does it every year. It's multiple points and parts of it. Read that, read that and learn what Steve Iverson should do because I trust it wholeheartedly every year that he writes it. I've retweeted on Twitter and on Blue Sky, so go look it up because to me, there's so many different paths they could take over the last few years and they've just blown these opportunities, so now it's like, hurry up, let's get something done.

Glad you mentioned Cider. The deployment, like he takes the heaviest minutes in the NHL period and since he started in the NHL has not missed a single game. 82 is 82 82 82. Cider to me is one of the most impressive guys in the NHL period. Now you have dogs in a pool that are much more interesting and entertaining than I am. So go enjoy it and enjoy your weekend. Thanks for talking about everything from mispronouncing pizza to the Detroit Red Wings, IZER plan, the tax-free states and the Florida Panthers. You are

Comme un Dien Francais as we say in French, la première étoile, the first star. Thank you, Shana. Thank you. There she is, Shana Goldman from the Too Many Men podcast and the athletic. You can read at the athletic, listen to her on the Too Many Men pod which is excellent. Do you have any thoughts on any of that? It's like Dave Penauda by the way had to bail on us today. He had pool and dogs too. I don't like Shana but Shana came in from the outside to come and join us today.

Dave, okay? No, Dave's got his cape on right now. Thankfully he's okay. He said there was an accident in front of him and he's helping out right now. Like a car accident? I guess so, yeah. So he said that's why he couldn't make it for the show.

So good guy, Dave Pagnato, but he couldn't make it on. I'm gonna put a poll up here, but I wanna know what is worse for people, which plan, the Shanna plan or the Iser plan? Well, the Iser plan hasn't even made it to the playoffs yet. So right now it's gotta be Iser plan. That's what I was gonna say. But go for it, yeah.

I know there's a lot of angry Leafs fans, too Yeah, exactly Exactly. Um, or the pagula also to To the mother of third luck Yeah, I could do that. I could put the pagula plan in there as well to the point of luck that you guys were making I'm gonna steal or use the cheesiest line of all time. You have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good. I think that that's what we kind of saw with the Panthers, but it was like,

I feel like a lot more, a lot less luck in the last two years in the winning than there was in the year that it took them to get into the playoffs, which allowed them to go on this run and to go on this journey and to be where they are. I think the luck came at the beginning, propelled them into this, and then a lot of that from that standpoint has been the luck that got them here. I don't disagree with you with like the LTIR the Eckblad and those timing of things, those are luck.

But I think the majority of their luck. That PED suspension was totally lucky for the Florida Panthers. Come on, let's just be honest. It sucks because you lose the number one pairing D, but help turn that into a challenge. But I think that the majority of their luck came before and what we've seen since has just been, I think, the best hockey team in the last 25 years. We made a lot about that Chicago Pittsburgh game. And the other one too, it's so amazing

when you go back and look at things. And we've made a lot about that Brad Marshand breakaway in the year that the Boston Bruins broke all those records becoming the greatest regular season team of all time, sorry Montreal Canadiens. And that save in the first round, late in the third period, that right pad save, that saved the Panthers season. They ended up beating the Boston Bruins, went all the way to the Stanley Cup final in Las Vegas. But let's not forget too, the other bit of, I don't know if it's

luck or just great goaltending, was Alex Lyon. Wasn't Bob Bobrovsky. We're putting Bobrovsky in the Hall of Fame. If Alex Lyon is just average, or bad, or just a guy that's bounced up between the American League and the NHL at various times, are we talking about Bobrovsky going to the Hall of Fame? Are we talking about Bobrovsky getting to the Hall of Fame? Or are we talking about Bobrovsky getting traded or bought out or like, we're not talking about Bobrovsky Hall of Fame. Instead, this guy's going to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Yeah. With all of his best instance, Stanley Cups. Pretty amazing, pretty amazing. Speaking of Panthers players, you wanna see something funny that happened 15 minutes ago approximately. Does it involve Brad Marchand? Oh yes it does.

Oh jeez! What happened now? Toronto Maple Leafs, specifically the Leafs Nation account. So I posted earlier today this quote card. Nick Kiprios joined the boys on Leafs morning take and he basically talking abouthawn said, I don't know how he doesn't end up a Maple Leaf. So I put that out there. Ten minutes ago, I get a notification on my phone from Brad Marshawn. I'm like, what the fuck? Brad Marshawn comments the picture and he says this. Shit, dog. The people want to see it?

Question mark. This guy knows how to keep a story rolling. This guy is the finest. Yeah. is the finest. Yeah. And then he posts, so that was 21 minutes ago and I saw that and I grabbed that. And five minutes ago, or maybe I guess a little bit more now, he posted a story of him and Sam Bennett,

it's a selfie of the two of them, and he says, where we going at Sam Bennett? Do you remember, do you remember how the Arizona Coyotes, do you remember how the Arizona Coyotes lost their minds and freaked out when Biznasty appeared on Twitter. And honestly, think about how far it's come now to even Brad Marshand answering you on – so I didn't see, was that Instagram or Twitter? I'm guessing on Twitter? Well, on the Leafs – it was the Leafs Nation Instagram account.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. But like, I'm logged in, I post things and run stuff on there. Gotcha. But here we are. The idea of Paul Bissonnette interacting with hockey fans publicly in his own very unique way, I do have to insert that caveat too, terrified teams. Like Maloney sat him down. I think Rich Naran would have been communications director at that point. I remember like there was like, oh I don't know that we

should allow this, like this is, this is, there has to be that separation between the players and here's Brad Marchand just blown through stop signs. Not even like 24 hours away from you know Sam Bennett saying I'm coming back, not going anywhere and now Brad Marchand like, all'm coming back, not going anywhere. And I'm in Marsha and I'm like, alright homie, where are we going? Pack your bags, where are we going? It's like, who was it? Was it Bob Plager?

Scotty Bowman, when he was running the St. Louis Blues, was so mad at Plager one day, he just called him up and said, I've had enough, I've had enough of how you're playing. Just go to the airport right now. When you get there, call me. I'll tell you where I traded you to. So he drove to the airport thinking he was getting traded, called Scotty. This guy's like, I changed my mind. Go back home. But like here we are with Brad of our shit say to Sam Benner where we going homie like I get it I get this dude I wish honestly I wish he was 25 years old right now like part of this is like so we could get this forever before we can get this for 10 years just just like this just like

yes oh god he's fantastic. It's so good for the game. That's the thing that I think people they get tunnel vision on stuff where like, yeah, I get it. There's some cause for concern because you don't you don't want to let this snowball and go too far with in some instances or with some people maybe but like you know what's gonna be leading news channels and sports podcasts and on NBA shows and stuff that doesn't talk about this all of this stuff that the Panthers are

doing and then it draws new eyes so who cares like let's have fun it's a sport we're playing sports these guys are playing, you say the phrase all the time. You said it yesterday. When I grow up, I wanna be a hockey player. Well, you can't do both. So who cares? Like, let's have fun. This is so fun.

Good for Brad Marshawn. But I was laughing. I'm like, I see a notification on my phone. Again, like it's on the Leafs Nation, but I see a notification. Brad Marshawn commented, I'm like, what? Go on, look, that's what he's replying. Rosie replied, yeah, Marshy.

Yeah. Zach right now, folks, barely has enough loose skin to blink. He's so excited that Brad Marshon responded to him. I just think it's funny. Put some eye drops in him, he can't blink. He's got no loose skin. Oh buddy, congrats.

That's fantastic. That I think, I think that's really awesome. Which why don't we use that then? And that, and that's awesome. Like God, man, Marcian is so good. That's so smart. Just keep the story alive. Keep people, keep people talking. Like, God, man, Marciana's so good. That's so smart. Just keep the story alive. Keep people talking.

Like, honestly, the worst thing is just for everybody to just go away. Like, trust me, there are a lot of old school people in hockey who would hate all of this. Like, who would hate everything about this. Like, can you imagine, just for one second, I don't want to treat them like a pinata, I know it's from a different era, but can you imagine anyone from a Lou Lamarillo team doing this? I'll tell you what, Matthew Barzal has one of the best personalities in the NHL period. Full stop. You know who knows that?

No one. Nobody. Now, with Darshan charge there, hopefully everything is a little more looser and you're going to start to be able to see some of these types of personalities. It may take a while because everyone is so used to, you know, Loo School and they might not feel comfortable doing it yet. But trust me, you are going to fall in love with Matthew Barzell's personality. And now he gets to show it. And I think there needs to be more, like, I can't see Bill Zito being upset about any of this, right?

But trust me, like there would be other managers, like old school managers that are horrified at what they saw at 11 last night with the crowd surfing in the cup and I'm coming back and you know like listening to pink pony club crowd surfing he's 37 and he was wearing like he was wearing like a child's medium Sam Reinhardt jersey. So good. So good. There would be managers that would be horrified at this. They would be absolutely terrified at what they see.

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Zach, what do we have in the Crispy inbox today? So hand up accountability, that's what I do. I don't know where my crispy question is that I built the sheet for Must have not just put it in here. I have a very single thing We could have wanted else otherwise, but not that so I'll just read you the question here. Okay, go for it Talking about luck. Yeah, the Panthers get reverse goalies talking about luck. Did the Panthers get reverse goalies? Has any cup champ faced worst goaltending over four playoff rounds? It's not necessarily actually asking if there was worst goaltending that's been faced but just food for

thought. Tampa Bay and Vasilevski gave them an 872 save percentage which was 25th, 27 goalies. Leaves had to play their second stringer Joseph Wolley, the backup goalie. Courtesy of. Courtesy of. The Consmythe winner, where are we on? Canes had one shutout, but they gave up a goal for every four shots in three of the remaining games. Mid-800s, goal-tending in the fourth, and then there was the Oilers. So the question is not actually, was there literally worse goaltending, but just the concepts, and I'm curious,

your thoughts, did they get reverse goalied here? Or did they just make good goalies look bad? That's what I think. Like, I really, if it happens one series, and it's like, oh man, Freddie, Freddie just turned into a pumpkin again in Carolina. Or a Rassilevsky all of a sudden, does he need hip surgery? Yeah! If it happens once, then it's like a bad goalie performance.

But they wrecked goalies. They really, really wrecked goalies during this entire run here. So if it happens just once, I'd say like, yeah, that was a reverse goalie. But no, man, like they damaged goalies and damaged them mentally, not just Sam Bennett physically with Anthony Stolarz. But like, yeah, I don't think that that's bad goaltending all the way. You know I was going to say that. I don't think that's bad goaltending all the way. You know I was gonna say that. I don't think that's bad goaltending all the way. I think that's just, they just dummied goalies

and wasn't just bumping their heads. The other thing I wanted to bring up here and the piece that I grabbed and stole from our friend Laz to talk or to bring up to you, and it's different than the goalie conversation, but it kind of plays the same way, is how often have we talked about over the last little while oh Panarin couldn't perform, Pasternak couldn't perform, Matthews

couldn't perform, Kucherov, McDavid against the Panthers. Well at some point do you not just say it's about holy shit the Panthers shot them down. Like yeah yeah maybe this wasn't the goalies that were bad it was the the panthers that just do this to you. Like, that's why I wanted to bring up that question today. It's the panthers. It's like the old joke. The panthers deserve the credit. You ever hear the old joke, uh, you know, Zach, they say there's one asshole at every party, but I don't believe it because I've never seen the guy. Yeah.

It's them. It's the panthers. Like, it's the panthers. Just like, yeah, if you don't know the jerk at every party, it's probably you it's the Panthers man. They did this. Yeah, it's the Panthers All right, I got one more bit of business here Have we covered everything by the way? Did we go through everything that we needed to today on? The program. Oh, by the way, Steve Spots gonna look weird on that Boston bench I'm just so used to seeing Steve Spott next to Pete DeBoer and there's Steve Spott gonna be beside Marco Stern with the Boston Bruins. That's gonna be weird to me. Like we talk about like seeing players and like the first time you saw Chris Kreider in an Anaheim Ducks jersey you went oh wow that's holy geez that is that is that is different but seeing Steve spot on a bench

Without Peter DeBoer It's gonna be a weird one for me for you, too. I think for all of us. Yeah, I That was the first thing I thought about when I saw that news The only other time that I could think about it. He did it on Toronto's bench. No, the only other time in the could think about it, he did it on Toronto's bench. No, the only other time in the NHL I think. So, that was a long time ago. Always been at the hip with Peter DeBoer and that goes back to junior hockey.

Okay, let's see what you come up with for this one. This is the under the gun moment for Zachary who's already 0-1. Because there's so much responsibility he has on this show. That was, but I'm looking through I'm like I have everything we have all the screenshots all the videos and like where's the crispy and then I just I didn't put it in. Amal Delich online to our exec is online to waiting Amal. Zach will be ready for your phone call here in a couple of moments.

Boards I have to make. we have to make, not you, we. For the draft shows? I'm not making boards. You have to make boards. Which we're doing next Friday by the way, 7pm. Yeah, it's going to be good. Yeah, I went through it today. I sent the number over to Amal for how many we need.

It is 109. 109. How many? 109. 109. How many? 109. Are they doing like the next three drafts all in one? Is that how Gavin McKenna getting drafted next Friday too? Max Schultz getting drafted next

Friday as well? Land of DuPont? That saying you have about nothing like a well produced show and this is nothing like a well produced show and this is nothing like a well produced show, that works today. Next Friday, that's out the window. Yeah, it's like old Dan Karlin line when he hosted Talk Radio in San Diego. You know, three days a week I was a great talk radio host, problem was I was on five.

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So good. I love them. Ready? I love them. Ready? Oh no. 2025, 2026 Calder Trophy. Ivan Demidov versus the Fields fields Ivan demed off plus 210 the field is favored minus 280 but

This is pretty close like this is a tight Odds here obviously the field is plenty of options to choose from but Like I'm wondering if you think that there's gonna be some guy and I want to ask you so back to back to back Calder's for the Montreal Canadiens Yeah, so is there that it's two part what that I want to get your thoughts on one You think the Habs have the ability here to go back to back The other thing I was gonna ask you is here is guy that we're not thinking about who? Played last year who could jump in and get it?

Dema Demidoff is the clubhouse leader for next year. The thing that I honestly, exactly the thing that I wonder about this year, and like, sometimes we think about first overall picks, and now they have to go into the NHL right away. Owen Power was the last one not not to do it. The thing that I'm really curious about is will there be anybody from this year's draft who plays in the NHL next year? I don't know that there is.

Like you go through, like I would listen, Matthew Schaefer didn't play anywhere close to a full season. I would probably have him go back to Erie, if I'm the Allenders, go back to Erie of the OHL. I think he's going to compete for a spot. Man, that's a tough position to break in with as a teenager. Michael Misa, I could see him going back to Saginaw. Porter Martone, Anton Frontell, Brady Martin, Sean Aishison, like

go right to Jake O'Brien, go right down all of the lists here and it doesn't seem like there's anyone that's ready to walk in from the group that we're gonna hear called Next Friday. That to me is a really fascinating one. Now the other guy that I really like and he played some this year is a Philadelphia Flyers pick and that's Jet Lachenko. Jet Lachenko is the other one that I wonder about because he's going to be given a lot of opportunities too by the Philadelphia Flyers. That's the other guy that I think of here. But again, it's a whole summer's worth of training and it's opportunity and it's where the spot is and how much ice time. But if you want someone outside of Ivan Demidov for me,

Jet Luchenko. That's my guy. That's what I was looking for. Okay, that's what you were looking for? Jet Luchenko. But again, we may be looking at a draft where nobody goes into the NHL the year after they're selected Which might be the smartest thing to do anyway for most of the drafts

You want me to throw something at you here quickly and you can... Is that from your buddy Brad? Is that from your pal Brad Marshan? No, no. John Shannon tweeted that the NHL schedule will be released July 16th. Will Mitch Marner sign his contract before or after the NHL schedule is released? Before. I think before. I think his tour will be well over by then and he'll have made his decision and by then he will be spending his time counting his money. Where he's counting his money that is you think when he gets to Vegas they're gonna do like the welcome that they did for Mark Stone do you remember that? Oh man I forgot about that yeah that was

amazing why not right it's Vegas 100% if it's if it's if it's you know, if they are completed he ends up in Vegas By the way, Shana just sent me a picture of her pool and the dog Just to troll just to troll everybody. That's how she's spending her Friday afternoon Thanks to Shannon Goldman for stopping by the program today and as Zach likes to hear there's there's nothing like a well produced show and this is nothing like a well produced show. Congratulations on getting Brad Marchand to take some of the bait that you put out there. Well done. Thanks to everybody in the chat on today's program. Thanks everybody watching on YouTube. Listing on your favorite podcast platform, as Zach mentioned, we'll be doing a Draft Watch along next week, next Friday for the first round. It'll be me and Pierre

McGuire and a whole bunch of guests as well. Pepper and Parsley all throughout the broadcast. In the meantime, enjoy your weekend. NHL hockey is over for the year as we all know. Congratulations again to the Florida Panthers, but the news never stops. And it's gonna be a really fascinating off season now that teams have cap space and a desire to get better faster. Seems like there's a lot of buyers right now. So there'll be a lot of headlines this weekend.

We'll go over all of it on Monday here on the program. And don't forget Monday morning, start your day with the morning cup of hockey, Johnny Lazarus and Colby Cohen, those are the impact players. And then DFO Live at noon, and then us back here at three o'clock Eastern. I think we have Mesa Marchman actually on Monday's show. So fingers crossed for that one. In the meantime, have a great weekend on behalf of Zach Phillips,

Jeff Merrick signing off. We will talk to you on Monday. Have a great weekend. I slept 16 hours last night, every day this week, every day this month I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day to day, cause you can call it a rut I went to the dark man, he tried to give me a little medicine, I'm like nah man that's fine And I'm like, no, man, that's fine. I'm not against those methods, but you... It's me, myself, and Alice gonna be fixing my mind. I do wanna break it.

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