The Sheet with Jeff Marek - On the Sheet: Brian Burke on Managing a Trade Deadline, What Next for the Oilers, Kiefer Sherwood's Deal, and more

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Former NHL executive Brian Burke joins the show to provide a front-office perspective on the trade deadline — how general managers operate behind the scenes, what the pressure is like inside the war room, and what he expects to see unfold as this year’s deadline approaches. Burke also weighs in on the trades that have already gone down around the league, the strategy behind protecting assets, and the controversial idea of sitting players ahead of potential deals to avoid injury.SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/caReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@FNBarnBurner🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoffReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Let's bring Brian Bergerboard, who is on location at Coca-Cola Coliseum, the Toronto Marley's facing off against Cleveland. Is it Cleveland? Cleveland's in town today, right, facing off against the Marley's? Right. All right. So you get to see one of my favorite people, Brandon Gantz, from the legendary Gantz, Markham Waxer's family of the OMHA, amongst other players. Anyone, first of all, anyone jumping out at you, Scout Burke? I'd say Bell Balbolewis is having a real good game, and so is Gons. Gonska scored the fourth goal.

He looks good. Yeah, him and his brother, Cam, Cam's now retired and working in broadcasting as well, talented family, the Gantzes. Okay, so the very latest is, and I want to get into sort of the nature of what this deadline or what other deadlines are like from a manager's point of view. But Tyler Myers goes from the Vancouver Canucks to the Dallas Stars. Now, long-time observers might look at this and say, wow, a deal between the Vancouver of Canucks and the Dallas stars.

We understand the acrimony between the owners, but nonetheless, business gets done. Tyler Myers waves. He goes to Texas, a second and a fourth go the other way. Vancouver retains on 50%. So Dallas has themselves a right shot defenseman for this year and next year for $1.5 million to which Brian Burke says what. I like it.

I like Tyler Myers a lot of things. He's a really good player. He's not a rental. He's a player who's born in Texas. actually he's got this year and next. I like him. He's big. He got a hard shot. You can play in your third.

Playing the three-hole or four-hole. Playing in the five- or six-hole kill penalties. I like him. You know, Dallas has won ten games in a row. And now they're blue line with, of course, you know, Leon Bischel, who's six-foot-seven. And now you add Tyler Myers, who's around the same. All of a sudden, that blue line just got even bigger,

fitting the stereotype of everything Berkey is bigger. in Texas. Not to say, you need depth. You know this, Jeff. To win in the playoffs need depth. Tyler Myers might not even be in the lineup every night right away. They'll sort things out because I've won so many games in a row. But he will play.

He will be a valuable asset. I like the price too. I think Patrick Galvin got a good deal back. You know, on a side note here, too, we know that the Detroit Red Wings had a standing offer for Tyler Myers as well. they were in, but obviously didn't want to pay the price for Quinn Hughes, Rasmus Anderson, and again, another one that Detroit, I don't know how serious the swing was, but took a swing at as well. This is another tough one for Steve Iserman and the Detroit Red Wings, who we know want another top for defensemen. What do you do if you're Steve Iserman here?

I know he's very mindful of price. I get that. Doesn't want to overpay. But does it ever get to a point where you're like, man, we wanted Hughes. we didn't get them. We wanted Raz, we didn't get them. We wanted Myers. We didn't get them.

Maybe we do have to overpay here at deadline to get what we want. Or, here's a concept. Stick to your budget and not get anyone. Don't overpay for anyone. What an idea. Think about this. I checked with the league, by the way. I'm only awarding one cup.

So those trades fall into one of three categories. One of them is going all the way in. Going all the way in does not make sense for the Red Wings. The other thing that I, because I know you check in on the Stanley Cup, I check in on one thing as well with the league on a consistent basis. And I checked again, all 32 teams are allowed to try. They're all allowed to compete. They're all allowed to try to win this.

Even though only one cup's going to be awarded, all 30 teams, 32 teams are allowed to try Berkey. Look at the records that leaves behind when you make, when five teams go for it, there's only one parade. I've been watching this for years. I'm pretty sure it's not going to change. there's one parade. And all the rest of all these guys

are the second and first and good young players, that's all records. That's all a postmark. The only thing about it, and I think we can make this point as well with the team like the Buffalo Sabres who haven't been in the playoffs in 14 years. The big win is always the Stanley Cup,

and that's obvious. But getting there, there are small victories along the way. Like, look, we don't even call the rink in Detroit a new arena anymore. It's just a ring that hasn't had a playoff game in it yet. Like for the Illich family, and you know the Illich family, they would like to have some playoff revenue,

and they would like to see that barn with some playoff games in it. Thank you very much. Ditto Terry Pagula with the Buffalo Sabres. Now, both these two teams are trending towards going to the playoffs. They've had really good, really good seasons. So could that be, in a manager's mind, considered, and this probably comes right down from ownership. It comes right down from ownership.

the idea that sure the cup is the big win, but we need some little wins along the way here. Let's do whatever it takes to get into the playoffs without damaging ourselves long term. Yeah, well, that's the key is without damaging yourself. Do whatever it takes. That's ridiculous. Jeff, there's three categories of trades.

One is to go for it all. I get it. You think you're close to go for it all. I get it. That's where the wreckage comes, but that's a noble pursuit. Once you get close, you got to try. Your players are looking at you.

You said, what are you going to sit there and watch all day? But there's two other categories of teams that are trying to get better. One is the team trying to make the playoffs, like a Buffalo, like a Detroit. It makes sense for them to add, even if they can't win more than one round or even don't win one round. You don't make a lot of money if you lose in the first. I can tell you that. But it still has value. The second category of teams are teams that think they can win.

a second round or make some noise to use that term. That makes sense too. But the price tag should ever be the same as category one and category two for going for it. You know, the Red Rings are an interesting story. The Buffalo Sabres are an interesting story. A lot of rumors around Buffalo. Darren Drager put out the tweet yesterday about the Sabres and Blues engaged in a discussion

and moving it along for Robert Thomas. and then a number of names popped up online that were attached to the trade, whether it's Consta Heleneas or Owen Power and Jack Quinn and these types of players as well. We know it's going to be a significant return. But, you know, I look at Robert Thomas and he's one of the more skilled centers in the NHL, one of the best playmakers in the NHL. I've always maintained that, you know, the points have been low around Robert Thomas by his standards because he hasn't had guys that can finish.

Bless Jordan Kairu, but he's not a finisher. Pavel Bushnevich has had a soft couple of seasons as well. If you're Yarmou Kekyllian in here, and let me frame it this way, Berkey. Managers love having their own face card. The guy that they look at and say, that's my guy. Like you've done this in a number of places where you've gone, right? Like there's like trades that you make sort of picking around the edges, but managers want their face card.

If you're Yarmokikikelanan and Dregger shot down this morning, said, you know, they got as far as they did, but it didn't end up getting over the finish line. When you're a manager, if you're Yarmal Kekalainen, should Robert Thomas or could Robert Thomas be your face card move? I saw Robert Thomas play as the Ery Turn Pro. So I'm playing against the Sioux and the playoffs. So I don't play twice. I love this player.

But I think he's had a tough couple of years. I'm not sure if the injuries, I'm not sure he trains hard enough, is my own view. but I have no backup for that. It's just my own view. And I'd be nervous about paying a huge price for this player. Also around the NHL, we saw a couple of really interesting scenarios last night in the Nashville Columbus game. First of all, Columbus really knew that one to stay alive.

And they, again, trailed against the Presby, came back to win that thing. A day after going down four Cobb to the Rangers and coming back to win in an overtime, Karel Marchenko, with the heroics there. But Michael McCarran, the big center for the National Predators gets held out for roster related reasons. He ends up getting traded to the Minnesota Wild. Bottom six, he's the center.

Minnesota, I think they're like second or third last in the league in faceoffs. Michael McCarran's always been up around 54%. That one makes sense. It is a second round pick. We can all quibble about the value of a second round pick with the Minnesota Wild. And then, you know, we had this really bizarre. situation yesterday where Cole Smith starts the game for the Nashville Predators, plays three seconds, leaves, goes into the room, comes back, sits next to UC Saros,

all game long, and then gets traded to the Vegas Golden Knights for a third round pick after the game. We know why he was there for roster reasons to ice a lineup. But it just looked, I'll be blunt, Berkey. It just looks. I'll be blunt, Burkey. It just looks. weird. It was a three second shift. He was out there on the wing for the drop and he skated a couple of circles and then left the bench and then all he did was talk to you, Cisaros, for the remainder of the game. In what language? In what language did he talk to him? I'm guessing English, but I don't know. Maybe he speaks Finnish too. I don't know.

You know how hungry you get when you don't play in a game. You know, you eat your pregame meal around 1 o'clock, 1.30 is the latest. And you have a little snack before. you're dying to eat something. He must have done starving. I bet you had two hot dogs on the bench. We think of our friend John Garrett, who when he was a backup goaltender of the Quebec, I want to say, in the WHA,

didn't think that he was going to play. And so he was chowing on a couple of hot dogs. And I came out, Jacques de Merz might have been the coach. Tapped him on the shoulder. There was a scrum in front. DeMers ended up pulling the goalie, and Cheech had to go in.

He stuffed the hot dog down his pad. Another scrum in front of the Nordik's net. And sure enough, right in the middle of the crease. Cheecher's hot dog jumps out and lay there on the ice. The pro hockey's first hot dog on the ice from a goaltender. Anyhow. Well, let me tell you about that one. The year before I got to Anaheim, or two years before,

Billy Scallad was playing in Kentucky in the American League. Billerick Gallup was backing up the Thoroughbledge. You had to sit across the ice, remember? Yeah, it was 13. He sat across the ice for the backup goaltender. So Briss had two hot dogs. He gave the kid 10 bucks to get him a couple of hot dogs. Francois Lair, our goalie coach, has never forgotten or forgiven him for that.

To this day, he said, he's not professional. He had a hot dog during the game. I said, Francois, he had two. He had two. Two hot dogs for Bris. Well, Cole Smith, I hope. Cole Smith got something to eat during that game. Yeah, I would imagine so, because he wasn't getting.

getting on the ice and he was packing his bags. You know, it's interesting, too. I was talking to Alan May last night on the Capps broadcast. And I can recall, geez, a few years ago, St. Louis Blues and Patrick Bergland's name had been all over the rumors. Like Patrick Bergland was going somewhere and the Blues were on a road trip. And I talked to someone with your organization and they said to me, we've never seen anyone with more luggage on a road trip.

like he had like four full suitcases thinking I'm not going back to St. Louis. Now, he didn't end up getting traded. Had to lug them all back to St. Louis. But when you're a manager, would you ever say to a player like, look, we're on a road trip and you're probably not coming back home? You might want to pack some extra luggage here. Or do you just not say anything? I'm always wondering about players that get traded when the team's on the road.

I think you can warn a player that might have, but I don't think you can tell them what to wear or what to bring. I think you can set a player, look, and I did this many times. I would call on a player and say, look, your name's come up repeatedly. I have not talked to one team of value, not one. That might change. I get the right offer. You're on a plane, son. But I have not talked to one team about you.

Just keep that in mind. And so the turnout I told Bobby will leak that. traded him a week later. I had not talked to anyone, but Lou L'Averello called right after I said that. So I don't think you can tell a guy to tip him out that much, but you can tell if it's coming.

You think it's coming. Your players are entitled to that much. Hang on a second here. We have, what are we doing? Oh, it sounds like Kiefer Sherwood has sound an extension. Elliot says it sounds like a five-year deal. Just under 6 million AAV. First of all, I'm really happy for Kiefer Sherwood for getting that contract.

I like the player a lot. Playoff style guy scored last night for the San Jose Sharks first time and he's been injured first in five games for Kie for Sherwood. Do you have a thought on that one, Berkey, five-year deal, just under 6 AAV for Kie for Sherwood? Yeah, I think it's a lot of money and a lot of term. I like the player too, but that's, look, the cap's going up. they're going to see excessive deals.

This one is excessive in my mind, it'll level out over time. Like as the summer goes on, this will appear to be reasonable. Any names you're curious about? Specifically, I mentioned Robert Thomas a couple of seconds ago. I mean, listen, Connor Garland is, his name is very much out there

for the Vancouver Canucks. Vancouver's nowhere close to finishing wheeling and dealing here. I think we all wonder about Elias Pedersen and never forgetting that before he signed His contract extension, the Carolina Hurricanes were interested there. Other teams with other players, I think, you know, the Florida Panthers now, we all wonder about Sergey Bobrovsky. I've wondered about him and San Jose. Others have wondered about him, maybe, and Montreal.

Given the Edmonton's inability to get saves, maybe Edmonton could make some sense there with retention. Any names out there, Berkey, that you're particularly curious about right now? not those two. The money involved for Garland and Belias Pedersen, I'm not interested in either one of them. But I think they'll both move. You think Pedersen will go somewhere? Garland's no trade protection kicks in with his new deal

on July 1st. Islanders rumored with Garland. I don't think the Boston Bruins are done trying to get Connor Garland as well. But why not either of those two for you, Berkey? too much money, too much term. Even with retention, which would be insane, retain half on either one of those guys.

Yeah. The haul you got back would have to be huge to get to move to retain salary. A couple of questions here for you, Berkey, and we'll get to get back to a couple of things here. This from Steve Ness, with a 3 p.m. Eastern deadline, How does trade deadline day differ for a manager on the East Coast versus West Coast? Perfect for you. Berkey, you've done both.

Same deal every day. Get up early. I worked on the West Coast. I was at work at 6 o'clock. You guys know that. That's how I deal with the time difference. When the Boston Bruins were in Oprah for business, some of the Anaheim ducks. One of the things that we don't release.

see this happen very much at trade deadline, but there are some teams that really need goaltending and a couple of teams specifically in Canada. Now, I keep going back and forth on the idea that Edmonton's done with their goalie moves and their ride or die with their two right now. Montreal has seen some good work, get squandered by bad goaltending here. I always think, Berkey, of the line by Harry Sindon, where he said, goaltending is like oxygen. I don't think about it until I don't have it. And then when I don't have it is all that I can think about. Are these teams, are these teams like feeling the oxygen around not getting

goaltending right now, Edmonton and Montreal? Well, Evanton, you have to believe in the guy you traded for you. You're traded for Tristan Jari. I believe in Tristan Jari. They traded for him on that belief. He has not played well recently. That doesn't mean he's not going to play well. It doesn't me his time to cave in and say, okay, we need a goaltender. Tristan Jarry's a guy I believe in. I think he will bounce back. But right now, yeah, he's scuffling.

Montreal, they give up some quality chances, boy. I think they give up more high danger chances. Valakhet's going to tell me I'm wrong, but you give up more high, high danger chances than anyone I've seen. The goaltending is really difficult in Montreal. They give up a mistake. It's a doozy. Here's one from Vivek Kahlia.

What is the craziest or most chaotic trade deadline story you can tell from your time as a general manager? And I do, by the way, want to mention, I went back, Berkey, and I had a look at your history of trades. Now, I know you don't like trade deadline and just like you don't like July 1st. So you tended to stay away from those except for 2006 where you made a flirty of deals. with the Anaheim ducks. But man, you loved a November trade. I'm going to get back to that in a second, but do you have a chaotic trade deadline story

from your time as general manager? Well, my one year was the acting gym in Calgary. I remember Ryan Kessler was getting traded. And we kept holding out for my Camilleri. We kept holding up for a second round pick, or a first round pick. And we thought we were going to get it. But Ryan Kester wouldn't move, wouldn't move, would move.

Finally, we dropped our price right before the deadline. The night before I call all the teams and said, I'm not getting the first. I'll take a second. Turns out I didn't even get a second. I got offered a third for Camilleri from the Lou Amarillo. I said no. I'd rather try and re-sign them and keep them and lose them for the third.

So we kept them. Now, that was crazy because Brian Kessler, if we ever ended up going, they held up 20 teams. Yeah. You know, the interesting thing about that, you've told me this before, one of the reasons why you didn't want to make that move is, and this is where reputation comes into a lot of these things, and it might be short-term pain, but it's long-term gain,

that you don't want to have the reputation as the manager who's going to cave at the last minute, because teams will say, you know what, just let Berkey sweat it out. At the end, he's going to cave and he's going to give you your price. How much of that is in the back of your mind here when you're, when you're waiting on these deals? Well, a year later, Tree was his GM, and he made a deal where I think the fact that we had not taken a poor deal helped him make a really good deal with Washington.

So in my mind, I think the reputation is important. Even though I was gone, they could help Tree. And we're not going to make a poor deal. I'd rather make no deal than a poor deal. So as I mentioned, you never were a huge fan of trade deadline. You did like November trades, it seems. But 2006, you made a flurry. You brought in Sean O'Donnell.

You traded him for Joel Perrault. You picked up Jeff Friesen and you sent the caps of second round pick that turned into Keith Seabrook. You picked up Brett Skinner and a second in exchange for Keith Carney. Oh, I like Keith Carney. Carney and Yoha Island. And then you sent Sandus Ozilinch,

to the New York Rangers in exchange for a third round draft pick. Of course, 2006 as well was when you made the Chris Pronger deal with the Edmonton Oilers. But why did you always generally stay away from trade deadline and man, did you love making deals in November bricky? Man, you loved it. You got the player for the most times. If you made in November, October, it's hard to make many deals. Once you get to know your team, make a deal in November, you get that player for the last. longest part of the year,

or players or picks or whatever. So to me, it made sense. Let's get our team together early. Let's get the new guys in there and see what we can do. Okay, let's get an email in here. Zach, do you have the email from Jack standing by for Berkey? This is a really good one.

Zach, you there? One sec, one sec. You got it? Yeah. Okay, so let me read this way. So it's just from Jack Bowie. Question for Berkey. My 13-year-old son, Maxim and I always,

always stream your podcast interviews in the truck during our hockey trips to games around the province of New Brunswick. That's where my family settled coming in from Ireland in the 1860s. Recently, I got him to listen to your audio book. He loved your stories and insight. As do I. Now, to the questions, which one you choose, pick one that you want to answer. In all your years as general manager, oh, here we go.

What was the biggest trade deadline day surprise? Or two, describe your typical trade deadline. routine, i.e. what is your setup? How do you communicate with other NHLGMs? How do you stay on top of the media and rumors that swirl? If in fact you even do that. Take your choice from Jack. Well, I'm not a big deadline guy. So I'd say number two is probably easier to answer. You got all your key guys, your pro scouts, your assistant jams, everyone's in the room. You got two TVs on one for Sportsnut, one for TSN. My routine involved doing one interview every year with James Duthy

and give him a one word answer just hanging them out to dry hanging them out to dry on national TV got to be a tradition where you could say so Brian, do you do anything else in this deadline? Said no, dead silence and James Duthby will have to scramble.

I got it every year. Hey James, I know the feeling, James if you're watching. I know the feeling, pal. But this way, if Burkey gives you a one word answer to hang you out to dry, don't feel special. Don't feel special, James. But you got guys working all the phones. So your assistant gym here, so Dallas is in on Tyler Myers,

and they tell you that right away. So they're a constant flow of information. You got to sift through it, stay on top of it. But again, I think the trade deadlines like the Kmart blue light specials. Had the blue light on and all the carts pumping into each other, and no one gets run over pays. You know, I know there was one scenario where some are for the team. Oh, by the way, one thing.

Jack also adds, as a Red Wings fan, Cider looks like you're kind of player, Berkey. Agree, disagree. I love him. But he's a very complete player. He's way better, and I thought he's going to be his draft year. He's turned into a really good offensive player, really good two-way player. He's also a physical right shot. I love him.

He'll be the captain there for a long time as my prediction. Absolutely. One of the questions there was about media from Jack and, you know, there's one general manager who, I don't want to say it was notorious or famous, because I'm sure this happened in a lot of different places too. But in the war room had every single person put their cell phones on the table because this manager wanted to see who was calling them on trade deadline day. Were you ever a kind of guy like that, Burke? you were all the phones on. I want to see who's calling you on trade deadline day. I wanted people to call me. I trusted my guys.

That's just ignorant. I don't know who it was, but that's just dumb. You have people call and telling yourself that's helpful. This is, I'm not even going to, I'm not even going to hint at who the manager was, but this is someone of particular note.

I just thought that that was interesting, too, that I don't know if that's a sort of sign of. Sounds like blue. It's not Lou. I'll give you that one. That is not Lou, but it does very much sound like all messages need to come to me, not to you. Tell them to call me. That's very much Lou Lamarillo. Okay. But you got Dave Nolans in the room. Dave Nolns is plugged in as well as anyone. He gets a call from someone. They're thinking of moving this guy. He runs to me and says, by the way, we should get in on this. Bob Murray when he was my assistant Jim these are all important people to have on the phone

okay before I let you go here one more thing from from trade deadline day which is which is on the horizon at what point because I'm always curious about this managers will say this is my final offer like the

the negotiation, like when you're competing with another team for a player and one team says, okay, I'm going to give you this window here. Give me your best offer. Is that really the best offer? Or like, how do you react when someone says, yeah, you know what? We got this offer from you. But this guy's going to give you this. We've already talked about it at this price.

But now I need to go back to you on it. Like how often does that happen amongst managers where all of the same. sudden the price changes, even though you may think you have a deal? Well, I think first off, once you think you have a deal, you think you have a deal, I think it's time to shake hands, call a league. But up until then, someone can say this their best offer. I'd say, you're saying that's your best offer. It doesn't do it for me.

So you can improve it if you want. He says, no, it's my best offer. I'd say, all right, then we're done. Like to me, this all hinges on the trust you develop with the GMs. You've got to have a relationship with it. them. Paul Holmgren says to me, this is my last stopper. You don't do this. I'm doing something else. He's doing something else. Awesome. Who are your favorites, by the way, to deal with? Back in the day, Lou was a thief, but an honest thief. Good guy. Paul Homer was real

honest. Most of the guys were good. There were a few I couldn't deal with. Yeah, it's interesting, too, the way that, I mean, everybody gravitates to certain people to do business with. I don't don't know why I don't know why people get on managers for for dealing with similar other managers on a consistent basis. Everybody does business with who they're comfortable with. And end of, end of trading partners guys you trust. End of home back to them more often, especially you can make a deal of worse for both

teams. Glenn Sater was always a real honest guy. I made a trade with Flynn Sater. He traded me a guy named Ritz. showed up with an ankle brace on, an ankle cast on. I called Slats and said, he traded me an injured player.

He said, send him back on the spot. No, he didn't. It worked it out, but that's how honest Glenn was. I think Glenn was also the guy that fluffed up the shop block numbers for, oh, who was it? Who was it? DeVries said he fluffed up shop block numbers, so the flyers thought that they were getting a killer.

We drafted, we drafted Pavel Burr. worry. Glenn say they wrote the league and said that they were disputing the pick. Len's said they should uphold this pick on Vancouver's behalf. A divisional opponent just to help us because he was an honest guy. I love slots.

Dan McGillis, that's who it was. This is before they're tracking shots and everybody had all the stats. They just like fluffed up all the shot blocked. Like every game he was blocking like 12 shots. You had like 14 hits the game. So, like, Dan McGillis was a good defender, but, like, I think the Philadelphia Flyers thought they were getting a killer, but that was, you know, Glenn Seather with a little bit of, a little bit of Glenn Seather magic. Well, and, oh, was it, was it Doug Wilson that you always want to do deals with, but can never get it over the finish line?

Was it Doug? Yeah, I really had trouble getting the deal with Doug. And Darcy were here, too. I had no luck with Darcy. Finally made one deal with Darcy, but I had no luck with Doug. Doug was always talking French and I was talking English. You're the best.

Enjoy the rest of the Marley's game here against Cleveland. Best of Brendan Gauntz and Luca Del Bell-Baloo's a couple of players. And also, Riley Bezo, who's Andy Bezo's son, who won a Memorial Cup in St. John. If anyone knows anything about Andy Bezo, you know how raw, bone, tough

this player was from Atlantic, Canada. Berkey, as is his, I think his son is as tough as the old man, but he's still a pretty tough kid. Oh, yeah, I know. I don't think anyone's, that guy, the old man was tough. I'm a little loony too. Andy Bezo was, uh, for part of this way. He played on the Niagara Falls Thunder with Brad May, and even Brad May said, yeah, he was tough. So what May Day is saying that someone is tough, you know that guy is tough.

Oh, yeah. Enjoy the rest of the game, pal. We'll talk again in seven days. Thanks, sir. and cow