The Sheet with Jeff Marek - On the Sheet: David Pagnotta with the Latest on the Ottawa Senators, Kiefer Sherwood, and More

Episode Date: January 10, 2026

David Pagnotta and Jeff Marek deep dive into the situation in Ottawa, breaking down the public statement from Steve Staios and how online speculation and rumors spiraled before forcing a response from the Ottawa Senators organization. From there, Marek and Pagnotta shift to the player market, discussing the current availability and league-wide interest surrounding Kiefer Sherwood, Dougie Hamilton, Alex Tuch, and Rasmus Andersson, and what their situations could mean as teams evaluate roster needs and trade options.SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/caReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@FNBarnBurner🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Okay, let's bring on board Dave Panyoda for more on what's happening with the Ottawa senators and other teams around the NHL from the fourth period. DFO Insider's edition with Erfengafar. By the way, really, really great interview with the Islanders general manager, Matthew Darsh, this week. I really enjoyed that one. Thank you. First of all, he's a great talker. You and Erf did a great job with that one. If people haven't gone, I haven't listened to it yet, I encourage you to go back and listen to, listen to Matthew Darsh, talk about redoing the Islanders.

And I thought his talk about his marketing background was particularly interesting to. If there was a team in the NHL that needed someone with a marketing touch, it is very clearly New York Islanders. Okay, so the Ottawa Senator's situation, it's not good. And we saw the note last night. I was mentioning it before he came on. The note from Steve Steyas, and I don't think that the last line about this being, you know, bringing a close to the matter.

I don't think that was accurate. Everything else I can understand the anger and the frustration. I just don't know that putting this out was going to do anything other than in flame a situation that has already made everybody in the organization uncomfortable. Would you agree with that? Yeah. I didn't think it was necessary. You know, you were just talking about it before I jumped on just with the level of the Internet. itself and everybody just spewing all kinds of things out there, you're almost better,

you know, not necessarily sweep it under the rug, but you just, you don't need to acknowledge it. If you're so adamant that everything that's being tossed out there is, is BS, just let it go. You don't, I don't think it was, I don't think it was necessary. Now, I understand why, you know, they'd want to put something out with respect to some of the messaging in it. I agree with you. I think the first bit, the first part of that statement to me made sense. But I just, again, I didn't find it necessary.

Now, there have been a lot of rumors and there has been a lot of speculation surrounding Allmark and his personal leave and has the relationship with the organization been strained in some fashion for whatever it is. And it sounds like that's been, that's the case. And there are some other teams that I've talked to that have heard, you know, he's not necessarily out there in terms of being available, but they've heard his name kind of bandied about. So, you know, you see that, you hear that, then you see the personal leave. And then all this, all the internet BS that's going out there all over the place,

it just all adds up and everyone just starts to connect dots and it becomes, you know, some of these stories can become a little believable. But again, from an organizational perspective, I don't think it was needed to address it unless this thing comes out in media and we're talking about this and others are reporting things and then you've got to nip that in the butt clearly. But I agree with you. I think this is more of a situation where this might have put more attention on a matter that was obviously not their intent. Yeah. There is like, the whole thing just feels strange because, you know, to your point, and this is a point that many have made too, teams and people hear this all the time about

themselves, whether it's the organization or people like rumors and someone grabbed something and no one's stopping anybody from saying whatever they want on social media. How much weight you put behind it, that's your own personal decision. But obviously this rose to a certain level within the organization that it got, whether it's Steyos, whether it's the owner of Michael Anlauer, whether it's key players on the team, upset to the point where Steve Stee's, has felt that he had to put that message out last night, which if you're going to play Connect the Dots,

it's like, well, why did this one rise to that level where other crazy things that we see and hear don't? You know what I mean? Right. And that's... Any team hears this all the time. And players hear this stuff all the time too, crazy rumors. But what is it about this one specific?

I mean, my point through all of it was, it's just perhaps the enigmatic maybe that's a poor choice of words, but I'll use it, enigmatic situation revolving around Linus Almark in this situation. He's on personal leave. I'm going to, obviously, everyone should respect that.

That is his choice. But, you know, even Darren Drager most recently just saying like, you know, this is weird. It's a weird situation, you know, at games, these types of things. Like something just seems really off in this situation, Dave. Yeah, and this goes back to what I mentioned earlier. you know, I had heard, and I just, I didn't just hear it this week.

I've heard this when he went on personally, even a little bit prior, that there's been a little bit of tension with respect to his relationship and the club. I don't know the specifics. I don't know if it's, you know, him not seeing eye to eye with some teammates. I don't know if it's whatever's out there. I don't know the specifics on it. But I had heard over the last few weeks going prior to this, his personal leave, that maybe the relationship's been strained.

little bit. Maybe it needs a little bit of mending. And then, you know, he's out there. You start to hear his name a little bit. Then he's got personal leave. And even yesterday, checking in with a couple of different clubs. Have you heard anything, his name being out there? Yeah, we've heard it. We don't know how, you know, serious it is. But, you know, his name is starting to make the swirl around anyway. And then you get all the internet stuff coming out and then the statement and whatnot. You're right. I think it did get to a level where it was discussed. evidently quite seriously within the organization that they felt that they needed to address it in some capacity

some teams go about it and say we're going to close the door we're going to have this talk in the room and we're going to bury the hatchet or just bury whatever is out there and just make sure that everybody's comfortable who cares what's being spread on Twitter on whatever but you know it's a sensitive topic especially with all the claims and accusations that were made in it. It's a very serious matter, certainly. And you hope that's certainly not the case.

But I don't think that all that stuff yesterday really, to me anyway, puts a cloud over the or hides the fact, I should say, that his name had been swirling around the league for the last few weeks. So this happens yesterday, obviously, before the game where the Ottawa Senators are playing the Colorado Avalanche. it's a pretty bad beating as I mentioned up the top like Colorado dummies a lot of teams you know I put it this way

if Colorado if Colorado dummies you don't feel special that's what I say the avalanche dummy don't don't don't feel special and the Ottawa senators find themselves in a position in the standings in the Eastern Conference that they did not expect

this was not supposed to be this year after last year meeting trying to make beliefs in the opening round of the playoffs and giving them a good run things were supposed to be different this season yet they find themselves in a similar situation that they found themselves in. Over the past few seasons,

James Reimer sounds in a HL PTO, pending an NHL contract, Linus Allmark, non-roster status, off the website, etc. And as we're reminded, this is the year they have to surrender the first round pick for the Dodonoff situation. Yeah.

They've pushed it to this season. And I don't know, but I can't help but thinking all of this in concert. So I'm trying to figure out again, The motivation was Steve Stios and a lot of the frustration that comes along with that. It just seemed like this was this sort of storm that culminated with that missive last night from the Ottawa Senator's general manager. Yeah. And look, he's been looking, I think we talked about this earlier on in the season.

He's been looking out there. He's been trying to see what's been available. He'd like to make a big addition to this club. And when you're focused on doing that and the team's starting to struggle a little bit, bit and you've got all this outside noise coming in. I'm sure he's got to be frustrated by all of this too. It's a perfect storm for him as well where he's having to deal with this BS when he's trying to focus on helping the team in other areas and by potentially adding to the group. They're not doing themselves any favors and they're not doing him any favors with the way they're

playing lately. So, you know, that needs to improve certainly. But again, Colorado, you just tossed that aside, hope that you can rebound for the next one. But, you know, he's been looking. He's been looking to try to bring in another impact player for this club. I've heard, it's more upfront than on the back end, but he's exploring every avenue. And now you've got to deal with this little sidebar issue. And I'm sure this is the last thing he wanted to deal with. You think they need to look for a goalie now?

I think that's one of the things that we're all wondering as well. Yeah. Through all, like, just like outside of the personal situation with Linus Allmark, there's a goalie issue now with the Ottawa senators. Like, listen, we just saw James Reimer playing at, you know, the Spangler Cup. Okay. And like James Reimer, as we saw with the Buffalo Sabres, can have like some short-term magic for a team. We've seen him do it before, right? This is a new movie.

But does this put, and maybe it's too early to tell, but does this put Ottawa on the goalie market? Well, I mean, look, with Reimer, he kept in in shape for most of the season to this point, and then obviously joins Canada for the Spangler. I don't think he anticipated this opportunity popping up, but he was making sure that he was going to be ready in the event that, you know, a team needs another goaltender for a stretch run and so on and so on. So he gets an opportunity here, and I guess his contract will be official with the SENS in the next few days after his HLPTO.

But it's valid question. Do the senators now? Because there's no said timeline on when Allmark may return. And I don't know if all the speculation and stuff that was put out on social media yesterday has affected any of that or affected any potential timeline. But it is a valid point. Like, are the Sends now going to have to be in a position where, A, they're going to have to replace them in some capacity for the duration of this season? What does this mean for, again, the teams that I spoke to over the last few weeks that heard Allmark's name swirling around, do they consider packaging him up?

Or our team's going to say, well, wait, we want to make sure that whatever he's dealing with is resolved before we go in a direction to make a move to bring him into our club, to improve our goaltending even further. So it's, it's not a balancing, it is a balancing act, but not one that Steve Stales, I think, wanted to deal with right now while he's also looking at other areas to improve the club. It's, it's not a, you know, envious position to be in right now. Tough one. Really is. Okay, move along. Kiefer Sherwood, you've been all over the story since day one. What is the latest?

We've heard about Detroit. We've heard about New York. Listen, when you have someone like Kiefer Sherwood's who's available at Kiefer Sherwood, at that price. A lot of teams come out of the woodwork. Where's your spidey sense on Kiefer Sherwood today? Yeah, I mean, they're still going back and forth on this with a number of teams. They haven't taken off their stance of a first round pick plus or equivalent value for them.

They clearly haven't gotten that yet. But, you know, the Rangers one is interesting because the Canucks have had interest in Rayne Schneider for a while. He's not having the best of seasons. He's in a contract year. He's got Arb Wrights. I wonder if the Rangers are trying to dangle this carrot in front of them when the Canucks are going, well, he's not the guy we thought he was a couple years ago,

so we want to try something else. You got another first round pick in there. Maybe we explore that route. It's been in on it. Dallas has been in on it. Boston, Minnesota, even prior to the Hughes move. There are others, of course. And to your point, at 1.5 million, it's got a lot of teams very interested in him

and potentially make that happen now. And it's a combo, I've mentioned this before, it's a combo of his offensive production, his goal scoring ability. The fact that he's, I think he's still second in the league right now and hits, and that cap hit. It's a trifecta for teams trying to bring in a power forward

that fits their system and can also fit their salary cap. Because it also allows some of these teams that may have three, four, five million in space to check off one box and still have enough in the cupboard to go out and get something to check off. off another box if they want to add a defenseman or whatnot, like Dallas, for example. So look, long-winded answer to say talks are still very aggressive and still happening,

and they're trying to see which team is going to pay that price. The Canucks would like to do it in short order. And I think that's why maybe we're hearing a little bit more is because there's a little more emphasis on trying to get this done in the near future. Winnipeg, Jess, meanwhile, I mentioned out the top, they've now lost 11 games in a row. I don't nobody really knows where this is going to end I thought you know jets go up last night I'm like okay so here comes the losing streak is over congratulations win a peg jets hopefully for your sake and your fan base's sake and your players and your coach and your manager and your owner's sake the bleeding has stopped but not so fast so the number now is 11 what next is it players is it a coach like Scott or Neal is it a player move Like what, what is it in Winnipeg? It's like something has to give, no?

I know it's Winnipeg. It does. Kevin Shevoldeoff, like, I get it. Like, it's a very sensitive market in a lot of different ways. And I get that he's not prone to the big shocking move. But are we at the place now for Kevin Chevaldeaf where he might need to consider that? I think we're getting there. I think we're, there's been a lot of reluctance and pushback with respect to making a coaching change.

But there's also been an understanding from what I've done. gathered that push comes to shove, they may not have a choice. And I don't think they're there yet, but you lose tonight to L.A. That's 12. Right? I think they're playing tonight. That's now 12. And how much more can this keep going? How much more can you hemorrhage before you've got to, you know, nip this one in the butt or make some type of change to just galvanize this group all over again. The secondary scoring and lack thereof has been a problem for this team all season. It was a problem before Hellebuck went out. It was a problem while he was out. It's a problem now. And that's something that Chevy's been trying to address, but different than last seasons where he's,

the last few seasons, where he's brought in rental type pieces, he's trying to look for somebody who can stabilize a second line now next year, the year after, and so on. And that's very difficult to do A, in season and B, when you're struggling the way that you are. I think this is going to be they're probably another week or so away even if they win a couple I think the L's are going to continue to pile up the rest of the season I think there are a couple weeks away from just recognizing

that this is a blip in the radar we've got to fix it for next season but we've got to accept our fate now reported this week that Luke Shen's open to a trade he's made that known he hasn't asked for a trade but he's made it known that he's open for a change of scenery he's a pending UFA teams interested in him

team's interested in Logan Stanley. They've got a couple other pending UFAs as well that I think they're going to look to explore. If you get a solid top five pick in the draft, you harness that, you add to your roster, maybe that's a second line type player. You add to your roster, and then you focus on next season.

I think they're, like I said, a couple weeks away from just being like, okay, we're going to accept this, but this is a one-time thing. We've got to get back on track for next season. You know, I wonder, too, if there's a team that's interested in, and this would mean, of course,

that, you know, St. Louis would do something with the brother, if there's any teams interested in putting together with the brother act here, with Raiden and Luke. Because, listen, St. Louis... They tried to do that last season. Right? And, like, listen,

St. Louis has had the tough week, you know, visually, the Bennington, the Bennington pool that wasn't a pull, and whoever the camera operator who got that close up of Joel Hofer and then zoomed in, he or she deserves an award. You're right on her first star of the night

as far as I was concerned. Like I wonder too if like there's more here from from the St. Louis Blues. Like I don't know that you know outside of the kids like outside of you know, Dalabor, Dvorsky and Jake Neighbors and these types of guys. I don't know. I don't know if there's any sacred cows there at all to be honest with you. I don't think so. Yeah, no, I agree.

I think Army's willing to listen on anybody. Literally anybody that fits the vet other than other than the young kids. And I'll throw Holloway in that mix too. I think they're willing to listen on everybody, and that includes Robert Thomas. Now, that doesn't mean they're dangling them and hoping to move them out. It just means they're willing to listen. And if it peaks their interest, and if you're paying a premium, I think they would consider that. We know Kairu's out there.

And I think there's a willingness from the player to accept a move depending on environment. You mentioned Shen. They've got other guys in Joseph and Sunquist that are pending UFAs. Justin Falks generated a lot of interest. You know, Pareko's name was out there last season. I haven't heard him too much now, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start to hear his name again. And then you've got Binner and you've got a couple others.

So it sounds to me like they've been open for business and have relayed that message well before this calendar flipped to January. It's just they haven't been able to find the right dance partners. But Doug Armstrong and Alex Steen from every indication that I've been given are willing to listen on pretty much everybody. and are not afraid to pull the trigger now, they just haven't found the deals that make sense for them at the moment. I'll tell you who I wonder about.

Even though he's injured right now, I wonder about Poo Souter. I really do talk about playoffs on the horizon and playoff style players. Souter's the guy that's that I wonder about what the St. Louis Blues, whose name may or may not be on a lot of lists for a lot of radars. Calgary Flames. I was on Scarison Price today wondering about the Detroit Red Wings, and they're probably looking for a top four veteran defense. defenseman. Rasmus Anderson, I would imagine, has at least been a point of, a point of interest

for the Detroit Red Rings. And they're probably not the only team out there looking for a veteran defenseman. What's happening with the flames and Raz? Yep. Yeah. I think, I think that's picked up as well since the holiday freeze. It wrapped. What is it? The 28th, 29th, whatever it was. So it's been about a week where things are a little over a week where things have really started to pick up a little bit. We're hearing more on Blake Coleman. We're hearing Rasmus Anderson. We're hearing a little bit more on Nas Khadry. A bit of a different beast because of just the term that he's got and he does like it there. And the owner really likes him. So that's a bit of a complicated one, even though there are some teams

that have told me that they've been told, or at least their belief is that Calgary is willing to retain, or at least Craig Conroy is willing to retain a little bit on Cadreys contract if the right deal is presented, but ultimately that's a type of move that needs to be approved by ownership. But, yeah, Rasmus Anderson's another one. I talked about Kiefer Sherwood, and we mentioned Sherwood being, you know, something that Canucks would like to do sooner than later. They're trying to escalate things and get this done. I'm starting to get a sense that Calgary as well, with the amount of interest in Anderson,

is, I think the preference is to just get this out of the way now. I think they understand where he's at. I think he understands where the team is going. And I think the preference is to make this happen sooner than later. Of course, you've got to find the right deal. And maybe this gets prolonged until the trade deadline itself. But it sounds like the preference is make this happen soon and get this over with, bite the bullet. But whether it's Detroit, whether it's Toronto circled back earlier, Dallas is still interested, Vegas is still interested.

There have been some other teams. I heard Florida at least poked around. And that's Bill Zito just doing his due diligence and maybe just trying to scare some other teams. But there are other teams that wouldn't mind, you know, Colorado. Like there are teams that like them and there are teams that like him and Blake Coleman. So we'll see kind of, you know, where that goes. But things, the gaps are starting to define a little bit better in the league.

And some teams are being a little more. resound to where they're going to be this year and I think that's going to help the trade market overall. Tough week for the New Jersey Devils, eh? Between the booing of Luke Hughes and the blowouts and losing to the Pittsburgh Penguins and, ah, so having a conversation with someone last night as everyone tries to figure out, A, how, you know, New Jersey is going to, you know, welcome back players off LTIR and

also like what the future is and what can Tom Fitzgerald do and all the no trades and all the, you know, the, like the cap situation that they find themselves in. we were talking to this person yesterday about Dougie Hamilton specifically. And this person said, this is going to be a tough one. He's got a poison pill on July 1st. The 7.5, I think it is, the $7.4 million bonus on July 1. He said July 2, this might be an easier trade, July 1, before July 1. It's going to be a tough one because of that bonus.

Anything happening with Dougie Hamilton? The Devils would like something to happen. They've had a lot of disguise. a lot of discussions. Yes, the bonus, because then after that, he's got to think another one, but it's like the following year, but it drops. Like, this is the next big payout for him on July 1,

and then the overall salary drops too. Yes. So it makes it financially, it's a lot more palatable to do it then, but that hasn't stopped Fitzgerald from trying to do this now. Now, I heard that his 10-team list is very strategic. And some players have done this where they're given a 10-team trade list or an 8-team or whatever it is. And they strategize on where they're not likely to go.

So I don't know that all the teams on his no-trade list, but I was just told it was very strategic, making it that much more difficult for the devils to potentially pull off the trade. They tried to trade them once or twice already this season. I heard there was an attempt in the summer as well, but those teams were not one of the 10, and he's not been willing to kind of go off that, at least not now anyway. So it's going to take a little more finessing and convincing,

but his name is still out there, and they're still having those conversations. I don't know where Fitsy goes now. I don't know how. We started to hear Dawson Mercer's name a little bit, and I think that's more teams poking at him, trying to see, hey, would you consider making this? You've got to do something.

All your guys have no trade protection. to bring in this player? Well, we like him. So why don't we throw him back in the mix? I think it's more of that, not New Jersey trying to move him. But if they got to do something big and are trying to do something big, that might be, that's a player that I'm curious about. Do they bite the bullet and say, we got to do something, we've got nothing else available to us. They're going to bring back a good player, no question. He'll probably be the best player in that trade with Dawson Mercer packaged back. But there's been some reluctance there. But I'm wondering how much more they can go without having to do something.

You know, it's hearing you talk about, you know, the strategic no trade, I keep coming back to this same idea. We're going to have to wait for another CBA for it to happen. The idea of offering compensation for waiving no trade clauses. Because right now there's your incentive for the player to waive or to go along with what the team wants. But if there's a financial incentive, like, hey, million dollars, if you waive to go to team X, all of a sudden, now we have a business transaction.

and not just charity, i.e. give me something in exchange for nothing. Right. Right. Yeah. Look, what other sport? Is the NBA that does that? I think there's at least another one of the other majors that. That makes sense. Allow that. Yeah, it does. You've negotiated it and you want me to waive it in exchange for what? Yeah. In exchange for what? Why would I do you? Why would I do? Yeah. I like being here. Yeah. My life likes it here. My kids like it here. We negotiated this in good faith. Like now all of a sudden, you want to change. the terms of it, okay, well, let's put a little something extra in the awful loop then.

Yeah, yeah, no, I totally see that and I see like these are, that's where these types of situations come into play. And I'm sure it's going to be brought up in five years when they got to figure out the next CBA afterwards. I could definitely see that being a talking point as part of it. But right now, him, Andre Pallot's name, I haven't heard as much as Hamilton, but I've heard, but it's out there. But I don't know.

I don't know what direction they go in. again, nobody's doing you any favors when you're losing. Nobody really does you any favors when you're winning either. But it's just amplified now. So he's got to be creative here in how he tries to remedy this in some fashion. You know, that compensation idea, whenever I mention it to people on teams, people in the NHL, the same thing I keep coming back to is owners don't want any money outside the system, right? This is why we didn't see amnesty buyouts after the pandemic.

to get teams sort of cap compliant based on revenues, etc. We didn't see any of that because owners are done with the idea of compensation outside the system, to which I said, okay, make it, make it part of your salary cap then. All right, we had to pay a million dollars to Dougie Hamilton,

and now that's $1 million against our cap for this year. I don't know. Be creative. Carolina hurricanes. Listen, trades are part of the marketing of the NHL. It gets people excited. It's fun.

It changes things up. It keeps things fresh. I don't know, as many ways you can get teams are encouraged trading. The NBA is dined out on it for years. I think you do it in the NHL. Let's conclude with the Carolina Hurricanes, a team not afraid to make big swings in season

or outside of season, off season. Yersperi Kutkenymi, left shot, albeit slow-footed centerman for the Carolina Hurricanes. Your thoughts? He's been available for a good chunk of the season. I know it reported it was three weeks now, just before the holiday break,

that he was offered, up for Phil Denno in LA and the Kings didn't want to tackle on that term. He's got four more years left in his contract. He's got a $4.82 million cap hit. I think the money's palatable. It's just the term for a player that you said not great foot speed, play center, can play the wing, but has struggled, especially this season. But his name is out there. It's been out there. and this week you started to hear more of his name being out there in Carolina looking to do something. I don't think it's a situation where Carolina is trying to just get rid of them.

This isn't like the Deno thing at all. It's more, Carolina is looking at, you touched on it, and we've talked about it before, not afraid to take swings. They're taking a swing. They offered them up for Quinn Hughes. They've offered them up in other scenarios. I wonder if they go back to Vancouver about another one of their players, that they had interest in the past person maybe.

Just me speculating, maybe. Your video kind of skipped there. Who was it? What was the name you threw? Oh, Elias Pedersen. Oh, that's right, yeah, that's right. The defenseman, right? Not the forward? Right, one of them.

There's been discussion in the past. I wonder if they circle back. But, but yeah, Kakinemi is out there, and his name has escalated. At least that talk around the league is heated up. in the last, since Monday, so whatever, four or five days. But that's something to keep tabs on. The hurricanes are active in that front.

I think he'd fit in Winnipeg. Well, they need someone for that second line. That's what I keep coming back to. That's what I keep. And it's not like Winnipeg is a super, like, they're not a burner team, right? Like, they're not going to blow you away with me. That's what made Nick Eler stand out so much in Winnipeg. Like, bam, like there's this team.

And then there's Nick Eilers who's just, he's like, you know, Marion Gabbrick was when he was on the Los Angeles Kings, who were a big, heavy, slow team. and they get gabric and all of a sudden like this guy's a freak of nature. That's why I wonder about Koganyemi with the Winnipeg Jets, you know?

It's going to be like he checks boxes because potential line player in an elevated role and now you've given him kind of the keys to that type of ice time and that type of responsibility.

So maybe he gets back to 50 plus point status on his level of performance and he's got four more years and that's something that the Jets want. They want guys that are going to come in that have term that are controlled

It's an interesting one. I could see it logistically being a fit, but again, I don't see Carolina trying to dump him off. I think they've been trying to include him in a trade where they can upgrade in another area. Now, maybe they have, maybe it's a two-deal scenario. Maybe it's an inadvertent three-way where you're addressing one area and you're moving out and doing a deal in another fashion. Like maybe it's all-encompassing. but the initial word anyway has been they've been trying to package them up

to upgrade somewhere else. Right. But it is an interesting idea where they can do that with other assets and move Al Kakanyami somewhere else to collect those and maybe pawn those off into whatever their other deal is. It's a creative general manager there.

Listen, Dave, it's always. Thanks, I know your phone's burning. It always is. And this is all of a sudden there's a new sort of enthusiasm around trades heading into the weekend. I know you're on top of all of it. Continued success.

With The Insider Show with Earth. And again, like I'll direct people like the Darsh interview was outstanding. Well done. And we'll talk to him to seven days. Appreciate it. Can't wait, buddy. See it.