The Sheet with Jeff Marek - On the Sheet: Kevin Woodley on Dobes' Comparable's, Avalanche's Goaltending, Frederik Andersen, Adam Foote, and more

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

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So then it's up to Kevin Woodley to save this program from Ingoal magazine and NHL.com when you want to talk about go to one place. And that is Kevin Woodley's home studio from Ingole magazine. Great to see you again. Great to talk to you again. Off the top of the show, I said this. Hella Buck for Owen Power. Who says no?

Cool. Is that a fit for the Buffalo Sabers? Oh, that's a really good question. I mean, that's a fit for any team, no? Unless you're playing fire wagon hockey. Well, the thing is, like, the one thing that, because we all talk about, you know, goaltenders this, gold tenders that,

and you'll actually focus in on this goaltender works for this system and this team and won't work for that other team and that system. Like, you drill it down to that final point. Like, if Buffalo's going goalie shopping, is that a fit for how they play? Well, listen, like, that's why. I said fireway in hockey. If you're going to give up a ton off the rush, if you're not going to defend the front of your net, if you're not going to allow your goaltender to have sight lines,

then it's not so much is Connor Hellebuck a bad fit. It's more, is it worth it to invest that much in that goaltender? You know what I mean? Like Conner Hellebuck can play anywhere. And I think if you look at the last two seasons, you see the difference with the same team between Connor Hellebuck behind the top three in the NHL defensive team, New York, or sorry, Winnipeg, New York Jets, sorry, Winnipeg Jets. And Connor Hellebuck last year behind, you know, a bottom third in the NHL defensive performance by the New York Jets. Like there's only so much goaltenders can do.

Like if you're the Sabres and you have this great team and you think you can get guys to buy into playing a certain way defensively, and he's an upgrade for most teams, right? It's just, I guess what I'm saying is just because you get him doesn't mean it fixes everything else. Like, goaltending never exists in a vacuum even for guys as good as Connor Hellebuck. And I think the last two seasons with the Jets prove that. I will agree with the New York Jets are terrible. And I will go on to say that if the Winnipeg Jets said you can have Connor Hellobuck for Owen Power, like Yarmo is breaking the sound barrier saying yes to that trade.

Absolutely. I'm going to say the other. I don't think that gets it done. No, I know. Hold on. Mayor keeps on saying this. Who says no thing?

Like, it's Taylor Hall for Adam Larson. And I'm like, okay, where's Josh Stone's name? Where's Zach Benson's name? It's Connor freaking Halibuck. The guy who just delivered a gold medal to a hockey star of nation.

And you're getting them for. Owen power? Hold on here. I said Owen Power plus plus. I said the headline just to get your attention. There's no way it's going to be a one for one deal. Not a chance. But you know what I'm going for. The big piece going back the other way would be, and it's not just because of the money, would be something to address something in Winnipeg needs. And that is another young defenseman with size. That is a very, very small defense and just got smaller when they let go of Stanley and Shen, neither of whom, by the way, played last night, discussed amongst yourselves. But anyway, we're just sort of wondering what Buffalo does here, Annette, before we transition to the big four that are still standing here, Kevin.

And I guess, you know, like, and I answered it more in terms of, you know, what Helibuck is, not so much, you know, what he isn't, as opposed to the price tag attached to it. And I think, you know, the point of the Olympic gold medal is a good one. Because I think when Connor Hallibuck got back to the Winnipeg Jets, I know within, even within that coaching room, there was a thought, oh, if we can get that guy, then we got a chance to make the playoffs. But that guy doesn't exist. And this is not a Connor Hellebuck alone discussion. Like that guy doesn't exist at that level behind your team. Because instead of two or three East West backdoor chances, you know, one of which he makes a miraculous reach back

paddle save, one Nathan McKinnon misses, the Winnipeg Jets give up six or seven of those a game. Like it's not the same. And it's not just that you need to limit those chances. But it said if you have a team that doesn't, Connor Hellebuck has to play differently behind you. And so all those saves he made at the Olympics squared up on a guy in glorious shooting positions don't happen if he has to back up a foot and lean to his right,

anticipating the backdoor play that gets through at two or three times the rate behind the Winnipeg Jets compared to the Olympics. So I'm with Wish on the price tag and the likeness of this happening. But the point I was trying to make is more. And I think this is what you're asking, Jeff, like the horses for courses thing. Does Connor Hellebuck fit? And he does. But you don't get Olympic level Connor Hellebuck unless you get that Olympic level defending.

And again, the Jets two years ago provided that level of defending specific to East West Passes, specific to screens. And that's what you saw in the regular season, two seasons ago. No, no Zach Worensky or Quinn Hughes or Jacob Slaven walking through that door to give him the same environment he had in the Olympics. I wanted to ask you about Colorado's goaltending. I think we saw a little bit of a wobble from the tandem in the Minnesota series. I don't know if it's shaken their faith at all in the goaltending, but what did you see from the lumber yard?

What did you see from Wedgwood and Blackwood in that series? And what do you think we can expect out of them in the final? Yeah, and I mean, a little bit of a little bit of, of a wobble. At the end of the day, I think that's a fair statement. What's really interesting to me as we look at the way things are developing in these playoffs is we're having tandem sort of carry over longer. And Scott Wedgwood was a no-brainer to start that series. Like Scott Wedgwood should have been in the Vesna Trophy conversation. I think he probably would have been. And that's looking at the adjusted numbers I have from ClearSight Analytics. I think he would have been,

except for the game's played. Like the game's played is the only thing that keeps him out of that conversation because yes it's a good environment yes there's a ton of run support but he outperformed at a level that warranted that conversation we we did a breakdown at ingol and he should have been in it um so the problem is when you go back and forth throughout the season and that becomes a part of your rhythm then asking the same guy to play every night for two or three straight weeks under a spotlight and a pressure they've perhaps never played under before it just kind of feels like a big ask and And so it's sort of picking those moments on when you're going to go the other way. And not just, hey, do we see a dip in performance?

Or in the case of Wedgwood and the Wild, not even a dip in performance as opposed to, are there some things that the Wild are getting to in his game consistently? And would McKenzie Black would give us a different look? And I know Bedner spoke about screens and a bigger body to look over them and all those things. But it's about giving them the night off. I know a lot of people have ripped the wild for going to Gustavson in game two instead of Wallstead. But my counterpoint is I'm willing to bet there were conversations, you know, knowing the goalie coach Fray Shabbat there about if we keep going to Wallstead,

do we get diminishing returns versus if we give him? Like I'm not sure you get game three yes for Wallstead if you play him in game two is the point I'm trying to make. And as we get these tammums back and forth, you know, the willingness to go to the other guy isn't just about getting a better performance. It's about when you go back to the other one, is he reset and that much better. Yeah.

Let me, when we're talking about Gold Teng right now, we have to start with Jakubovish, though. Right? Like this is like the phenom, you know, 86 Patrick Waugh, right? Like the only rookie, I think, that Red Fisher allowed himself to talk to.

Like, Red used to have in the Gazette. Red used to have this thing where I don't talk to rookies. Like, that's it. Rookies don't get to talk to Red Fisher. Made an exception for Patrick Gua. I mean, right now, his name is being whispered amongst the Jacques Plants and the George Hainsworths and the Patrick Guas, et cetera, of, you know, of Kerry Price of Montreal lore. Of course, that's exaggerated.

But what do you see in Jakob Dobbish? Because, by the way, by the way, so I got a tweet from someone. I've mentioned this to Greg and his side. was I got to get there. I got to give this to Kevin. They got a tweet from someone saying, Jacob Dobish is a combination of Pecker-Reney and Tim Thomas. Ooh, I mean, he's got the length.

I mean, that's not a bad one, actually. It's not a bad one. I think there is more structure under his game than maybe there was in Tim Thomas, although I wrote many stories over the years about how Thomas added that to his game. But he's got that, remember the Battlefly instead of Butterfly? Of course, yeah, Battlefly.

Yeah. Dobish absolutely has that. I think, A lot of people have- A lot of people have- Pump his tires. Somebody in Vancouver has to. Very good, Kevin.

Very good, very good. Hey, listen, and you're talking about Montreal Great. You're talking to a guy who's got Ken Dryden, half-sleeved tattooed on his arm. Oh, wow. Dolbish, I think a lot of people are missing some of the points on Dolbisch's aggression, though, to be honest with you. Because, yeah, like five minutes into game one,

he comes charging out on Eric Shernak. and you see that aggression, right? But it's in straight lines. And it's, if you look at where he starts from, it's from a conservative depth initially. Like he gets to his angle first, and then if he makes a read on an open look, he will take ice.

But reeling in that aggression is part of what's allowed him to succeed. And we think of, there's a bit of a, there's a bit of a bigger trend in goaltending in the National Hockey League going on that I think Dobish is a great representative of. And that is that, depth, and I've learned a lot of this from McKenzie Scapsky and the sort of the approach of the

Calgary Flames, which is built off of things he learned from Benoit Lair with the New York Rangers. And you see it in Dustin Wolf's game, which may surprise some people because he's, you know, barely six foot. And you also see it in the evolution of Devon Cooley. And that is that depth is no longer a north-south discussion. When we think of goal-tending depth, we think of relative to the top of the crease. Does he have his toes inside that line? Does he have his heels out?

Is he well outside of that? And so as the game got faster, goalies backed in. But they speak of depth in terms of East West and staying inside the lines of your post. And if you look at Dobish earlier in his career, there was a tendency to get outside of his lines and play too aggressive East West. I can count on one hand in these playoffs, the number of times where he's been caught outside of his post. And the point would be as the game becomes increasingly dynamic East West, you need to stay more contained and shorten those movements. Also for a guy of Dolbush's size, like if I've got a 6 foot 5, 6 foot 6 goaltender, I'd kind of like some of that frame to actually be in the net.

And so earlier in his career, he would get caught outside of his post a fair bit. You're seeing that rained in. Don't ignore the goalie coaching change that they made in Montreal in late January. Both of the guy's numbers took off after that. So there is an element of that Tim Thomas battle in him. Like he never gives up on anything. There is definitely, I like the renting comparison. We tend to think of size as high.

and square footage. Ian Clark here in Vancouver uses a phrase called length. And sometimes it's physically, like there are big goalies. Stuart Skinner is a really big, tall goaltender who doesn't have length. He doesn't have the ability to extend and sort of that natural flexibility and mobility. Length can also come from compete and battle. And so Dolbisch has it physically. I think he has it mentally and mentality-wise.

And you see that in his game. I think some of the goalie coaching change. And even before that, with the previous goalie coach, I know he was an all-lared disciple in terms of getting him within the confines of his crease. There's an element of that. It's a lot more controlled than maybe some of the narratives and stereotypes around it. You know, he beats his spots and then he'll come out. And then the other part too is like I saw your tweet last night, Greg, about, you know,

like I can't remember the exact phrasing, but just like, you know, like he's talked about himself as this goofy goalie. And he's great in the media and all the quotes. but honestly like I think there's a maturity there that gets missed a little bit within those quotes you know we talked to him last summer at the Ingo Radio podcast and he talked about like you know he spends his time in St. Louis early in the summers but he's not working with the goalie coach there he's focused on the gym

he knows that he doesn't want to go out and be a shooter tutor in the early months of the summer but then at the end of those gym sessions they have a shooting room and he grabs a stick and he works on puck handling but when he works on puck handling he doesn't just rifle puck all over the place. He goes into, we talk about Pete Frye and the mental stuff. He does visualization so that when he's firing these pucks in the shooting room, he's actually like closing the eyes and walking himself through, okay, puck behind the net, eagle turn, flip it to my forehand, rim it off here. Like there's a, there's a maturity there in his game and his approach that I think

gets lost a little bit in the sort of goofy, goalie aura that he brings out. And probably in the rookie aura too. I mean, we all think of them as this kid, you know, and like he's put in the time. Let me ask you about Carter Hart. Six games against the Anaheim Ducks, 935 per se percentage, 1.99 goals against average against a pretty darn good offensive team as we saw in the Edmond series. Every sense I get from people around the Golden Knights

is that Hart's game is steadily improving as the playoffs go on and that might actually give them more than a puncher's chance against the avalanche. What say you about Carter Hart at this point? Oh, interesting that whoever told you that has got good numbers because I've got him. Now, I don't have, I didn't look this morning. I apologize, but going into game seven, so Dolbush might have passed him. But going into game seven last night, Carter Hart had the best goals saved above expected by Clearsight for the second round. So I know there were questions.

So I tweet from you, Greg, heading into the second round about, you know, the ducks and their shooting percentage going out up against Carter Hart in the second round. But you're right. His game got so much better in the second round. There was a crispness to it. I thought he looked fatigued to me a little bit towards the end of the first round. There were mistakes in there that were not used to him making. He's a very technical, technically sound like that's the root of his game. The foundation is that efficiency.

And we just saw holes and mistakes and that we're just not used to. And don't forget, he missed three months. And then he came back and he went on that incredible run down the stretch after Torch took over. coming off a three-month injury and maybe there was a little bit of fatigue that set in playing again not something he's done hasn't played a lot this year and all sudden you're playing like every second night in the first round against a pretty good uh utah team offensively but to me there's just there's a sharpness in the pushes he's beating plays to their spots um he just looks a lot more crisp would be the layman's term i i would put on it in terms of his game in the second round

And, you know, I think there's some pretty good defensive support in front of him. And they don't ask him to do too much. But even on the laterals that Anaheim was able to create, like he was just getting across early angle, rotation back to his pose, putting himself in spots where they had to make great plays to beat him. And when you add the defensive pressure that comes from the Vegas gold nights, that becomes that much more difficult. Now, it's obviously going to be a step up against the avalanche. and I would have been a little wary as the tweet was coming out a round one because of some of the things we saw against Utah but I thought the game got better as the second round went on.

Freddie Anderson. Whenever we talk about Freddie Anderson, we seem fixated and this in history leads that conversation about things like hospital gowns and can this guy stay healthy. Do we look at this Freddie Anderson and say, this is Freddie Anderson healthy or is this something different that you see? Oh, I think it's fair to say this is Freddie Anderson healthy because, like for NHL.com, I had to break down every playoff series starting in round one.

And I'm very a pre. Actually, they had to. I said I was, I was blessed to be able to break down. Because NHL thought, hey, NHL dot. Forced at gunpoint to break down these goalies. They give me the opportunity to do so. It's not a small project. It requires compensation, and they give me the grace to be able to do it.

And so you watch 100 goalies on 17 different goleys going into the first rounds, where 100 goals on each of those 17 and do your video breakdowns. It takes some time and it takes an investment, and I'm grateful that they allow me to do it. Where were we? What we're talking about? Freddie Anderson. I only got one wrong in the first round, and that was Walsh, and that was Wollstead over Philip Gustafson.

And there were a few I wasn't sure about. Freddie Anderson was never one of them. And that was largely because of what we've seen in the past playoff wise. Like he did this last year. Maybe not to this degree, but he was really good for the first two rounds last year. Now, the second part, though, was when I looked at Clearside Analytics, he had an 868 expected save percentages this year. 868, the lowest in the national hockey league.

And this is, I think this gets lost. Carolina goalies had three of the lowest, so three of the toughest, three of the lowest expected say percentage is three of the toughest defensive environments in the NHL quantity no and that's probably perfect for Freddie because you're not having to work your way I mean what really hurts as a goalie or what tests you as a goalie is push stop push stop push stop team cycling around the offensive zone power plays against you when you really got to move and move and move and you get into your legs for long periods of time what Carolina does give up however is quality, at least in the regular season.

They give up a ton off the rush, like the easy goals, the gimmies, the backdoor stuff, off the rush mostly because they dominate at one end and they make mistakes and then the puck goes the other end. So two things have happened in the playoffs. One, that's a very difficult way to live in terms of your focus and your concentration when it's one of 82, when it's a Tuesday night in Columbus. And you're watching the other goal he stand on his head for 10 minutes at the other end and you haven't seen a shot in the next one you do seize a two on one.

So your ability to sort of lock in and focus come playoff time is just that. It's just easier. You've done it. You know how to do it. You're not going to let your attention wander. Two, the mistakes that lead to those types of chances in the regular season are less likely to happen in the playoffs. Because everybody else is also more dialed in than Tuesday night in Columbus or Thursday in Nashville or whatever night it is. I don't know what city I'm in, right?

Like there's just an attention to the detail. So I think those things have combined well. and Freddie, because they didn't overuse him during the regular season, I mean, Brandon Bussie was fantastic. Chetkoff before he got hurt, put up great numbers behind a really tough environment. The only question becomes, what happens if we get into five, six, and seven of some of these series as opposed to four straight? I thought there were signs of fatigue in his game in round one, game two double overtime.

I thought you could see it. that crispness I talked about with Carter Hart, and that's a part of Freddy's game. There's such a big goalie, but so much technical efficiency in his movements and the way he controls his crease, that looked like it started to slip. And I thought, like I actually wondered if there had been a game two nights later instead of three nights later, if they didn't have two days off before they traveled back to Ottawa, I wondered if we might see a switchover just to give him again a chance to reset. And that's, you know, at the end of the day, because they swept, that still remains a question for me.

But the fact that they've also had 12 days off means he should come into this, you know, pretty much about as rested as possible as any goal he can be in the playoffs. But whether it's this round or the next round, are we going to hit a point where they have a decision to make like Buffalo did, like Colorado did, like more and more of these teams are facing as we move away from the workhorse number one. Okay, away from the Stanley Cup here. This is just breaking. So it was about just over a week ago, or under a week ago, actually, Ryan Johnson, the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks talked about how, you know, it was a really unfair environment to judge Adam Foote with all the drama and the injuries and et cetera, et cetera, distractions and goalie injuries. It was tough to get a good read on, you know, should he return or should we fire him. Darren Drager, the Vancouver Canucks continue to make changes. sources say Adam Foot has been let go as head coach.

So that much like John Chaka, musing about Craig Barubi and saying he's a great coach. A week later he was gone. Same thing in Vancouver. So Foot is out. And while we have you, how do you see the goaltending in Vancouver? I want to ask about a Columbus goalie in a second here.

But how do you see, I think we're all sort of frustrated watching Satred Demko unable to perform. Because when he does perform, he's flat out one of the best goaltend. in the NHL, but he can't seem to stay healthy. How do you see the Vancouver goaltending situation? You're right there.

You got your thumb on the pulse. I think it will depend. And my understanding is he'll be ready for training camp or if not for training camp, then for the start of the regular season on Thatcher Demko. Like all indications are that the hip surgery's, you know, been the thing that should solve a lot of the other problems. I have some questions about how it took this long to identify it,

or maybe the truth is they had identified it and they just didn't want to go in and fix it. Because don't forget, he's had both hips surgically repaired before. And to be honest, it's a fairly common surgery. There are some kids that have it in their teens, almost like a boutique surgery to sort of prevent future damage or to, like not to this extreme. You wouldn't have major hip surgery to widen your butterfly, but it does do that. But I don't know anyone that's had it twice, right? So that's the degree of uncertainty. He doesn't mean it can't create the same improvement.

When he spoke at the end of the regular season, in the sort of post-regular season media availability, there was, I can't remember the word he used. I apologize, but like just he was fired up about finally feeling good physically. And I think when you look at the amount of injuries he's had with the last little while and imagine the constant grueling rehab and all that work and just to come back and get hurt again, And, you know, that takes a toll mentally, not just physically.

And I'm not sure hockey was fun for him anymore by the end, by this last time. So if he can reignite some of that spark and put some of that back in, like, there's no question how good he can be as a goaltender. But beyond that, like, there are questions about what they do in terms of, they got $13 million tied up in goaltending here for the next three years as a rebuilding team. Is there value in Thatcher Dempco? If you're in a rebuild and everybody's talking about top defensemen like Heronik and all these other guys that do you trade them? Do you keep them?

Even if you successfully pull this rebuild off in three years or four years instead of five or six, they're not going to be in their prime by that point. So move them now. I think you probably have to have that conversation around your goal tending. But you probably need to create a little value in the asset first or rehab a little value. rehab being the operative word in the asset because sure so you can play jim brotherford handed him eight and a half million dollars for the next three years like that's connor hellabuck money right to bring this back to where we started the conversation

for a guy who hasn't made it through a season healthy yet as a number one goal tender so i think you're going to have to show people that the hip surgery did what it was supposed to and then see if you have a market lincoln in as a one be at four and a half again honestly jeff you want to know where the biggest decision lies as we talk about Nicholas Mantapalo? No, no, I don't even know who that is. Oh, sorry, sorry, no, I'm thinking, that's Ottawa Senator's defenseman. I'm thinking of, um, you just see one to three occur in.

Nikita Tolapilo? Tolapilo, that's it. Nikita Tolapilo. Nicholas Montepalo, Nikita Tolapilo. No, I'll do you one different here. Golly coach, not even goalie coach. When Ian Clark stepped aside as the goalie coach for reasons in terms of his body not being able to do it, he had a director of goaltending time.

title. The director of goaltending title was taken away from him. And he is the guy that Nikita Tolopilo specifically told me he signed in Vancouver amongst three other offers to work with Ian Clark. The director title was stripped. And it's my understanding that it was stripped along the lines of we don't need a director of goaltending. We have Jim Rutherford. I think if you look at the decisions around goaltending in the year and a half since, I could make an argument that that was a mistake. And so my question, and I genuinely have no idea which way this is going. I don't know which way the Sideneen and Ryan Johnson. They certainly have working relationships with Ian Clark. But he has another year left on his deal with the director title stripped. Do you see him become

more active in this? Because I, you know, Archer Sheelovs, they gave away for a fourth round pick. Yeah. They now have two guys who are overpaid based on what they deliver. And they've walked away from one guy who could have been, he was great in the playoffs for Pittsburgh. And those two guys that are making $13 million this year, total appeal requires waivers. So unless they're going to carry three, they're going to risk losing him. And oh,

by the way, he's a 6'5 or 6'4 goal tender. He profiles like a bussy, like a Dolbush. I'm not saying he has the exact same skill set, but the kind of guy that I think teams are going to be looking at come waiver time and being like, yeah, I know the numbers weren't there in the NHL, but that was the worst defensive team in hockey. By

the way, that's what Vancouver was. So, like, I think the decisions go beyond just who you have on the ice. It's, are you going to build out our department again? Are you going to make decisions as a group? Or are you going to let other people make decisions around your goaltending who don't necessarily understand the position at the same level? To me, I got to keep them around. You have to, like, to head up your department. I am such like a, like, you've talked plenty about, you know, goalie coaches going to the Hall of Fame, Francoisle-Lair,

is, you know, one of the obvious ones, Ian Clark right there. To me, Ian Clark's right there. Ian Clark, Ben-Wallair, who officially, like he officially retired. Just retired. You don't need to officially retire to be in the builder category. Give me a Mitch corn. Like, yeah, like, trust me, if you guys want to help me, beat down the door on the Hall of Fame on having this conversation

because I'm told they just treat goalie coaches like other assistants and why would we put an assistant in the Hall of Fame. Some of these guys have changed the game and the position. Absolutely. Yep. Hey, Woodley, real quick, do you go, you go Malhotra in Vancouver? I had no listen I should probably actually be texting and and messaging my bosses at the NFL right now based on the report that Jeff Jeff broke here no it's right no dragger

dragger dragger dragger no dragers treggers that's treas that's not me I'm just so I'm just reading tweets eating and tweeting eating and tweeting but honestly Greg I I think that's the assumption a lot of people would make the relationship between manny and Ryan Johnson get the band back together like all these guys that sort of You know, harken back to an era where it meant something to be a Vancouver Canuck. And this is what I love most about their messaging. It wasn't just about fixing things on the ice. It was about fixing things off the ice.

Community involvement. There are a lot of things. I mean, I've been on a soapbox here on the local radio waves over the past year, fair bit about just how much the standard has slipped in terms of how you treat people, how you're seen and how you interact in the community. And I think Manny Malholtra, not only does he change. check all those boxes, but he has a relationship with Ryan Johnson. They've done a lot of the heavy lifting development-wise for a thin prospect group with

the Abbotsford, Canucks and won an American Hockey League title together. I think as that prospect group gets deeper as they go into this rebuild, that's the type of teaching coach that you want to be a part of your organization and the risk of losing him to another team to keep out for another year, didn't make a ton of sense. sense to me. Then the next question becomes, because there's a lot of people that believe they have his son Caleb really high on their draft board with the number three overall pick. Would you make it, would you do that with dad as the head coach? So we'll see where this goes. Obviously not reporting any of this, but I think a lot of people drew a straight line way back

to that press conference between Manumulchre and the Vancouver conducts job. Really quick, last one for me, and this is just personal because you know the field a lot better than I do. Does Jet Greaves already have the fastest glove in the NHL? Columbus Blue Jackets, Net Minder. He has an incredibly fast glove. I'm going through him. There's 62 rolleys or whatever, 64 now, Jeff. Like, you make me, like, my brain is not a computer.

But, like, I'm not seeing things. I'm not seeing things here. Like, this guy's glove hand is incredibly fast. Like, think twice about trying to be a glove. He's got a great glove. He's got a great glove. mostly if I'm top of my head without having any pre-scout him because obviously I didn't break down the Columbus Blue Jocke's these playoffs

take a neutral glove position like we're seeing a lot of this in the playoffs guys like take what watch watch like that fingers up glove position where the goalies sort of present it out like this as opposed to having it in more of a handshake like shooters know this now like if you see a goalie fingers up then you want to shoot over his pads because that movement that sort of turning rotation is very difficult If you see a guy in more of a handshake position, that takes an extra second to sort of get it up high. So, like, there's so much mechanics that go into it and then pre-scouts and all of those things.

Jet Greaves has a great glove. I prefer neutral gloves. I think we're seeing a return of this. Ilya Sorokin is up there on that list as well, Jeff, in terms of guys that have incredible glove hands. Right. From a neutral position, the conversation I had with Sergey Namoff, their goalie coach about the way that works. Just it had, like, like the nukes were going off in my head. another guy who I then watched in the American Hockey League the following week

that hasn't like to me the same level and the same mechanism glove as Ilya is still in the playoffs but he's not playing and it's Jacob Fowler. So one of the things that I, okay we're going to go down a Fowler tan. Okay, we're all heavy on time here but maybe not so much this year but was the knock on Fowler that post to post he was too slow. people in LaValle that I spoke to when he first shot there like yeah you know what he's going to be really good but he's not fast enough post to post was there something to that was that something to that uh you know what I haven't heard that and I didn't see it um but I wasn't out there with a stopwatch so um the things that I saw in the games I watched in the American hockey league and the little bit I watched on TV in the NHL and I prefer the American hockey league viewing because it was in person here in Abbotsford um I the only thing I saw,

and I talked to a couple scouts about this and agreed, and this is a lot for young goalies. Traffic management. Traffic management is a lot of experience and feel, but there are things you can do to put yourself in a better position to find sight lines as a smaller goalie especially. You can't find yourself going back and forth,

picking lanes, getting there early, depth decisions around traffic. That was the only part of the game. I had a goalie coach was like, oh my God, he's the real deal. He's just got to figure this out, and that just takes time sometimes. So I hadn't heard a lot of,

about the side to side. I certainly didn't see anything in it when I watched him here that led me to think he wasn't fast enough and that glove hand, man, he made some saves. And again, we can get biased by short viewings and it's impossible to keep a big picture when you watch too many goaltenders. But it reminded

me so much of Sorokin. There was a calmness to it, an efficiency to it. Like guys just, you know, and this is an NHL high end prospect. It was Jonathan Lackaramacki, who the one thing he does is shoot, walk into the hash marks on the power play with time in space and just rip one by the shoulder and it was effortless. Like just beat it there with the glove and I was just like that reminds me of Seroca.

Well, it's about time once in Toronto finally got some good goaltenders. That's right. Don't make me pull out the Kendryden tattoo. Try to get your show off the half sleeve here. Well, thanks for treating us out about about goaltenders and the difference between Tolapilo and Montepalo. Always good to have you aboard to straighten things out for us, Kevin. You'd be, you've heard of one. You're the best, man.

We'll talk again soon. Take care, guys. Thanks for having me.