The Sheet with Jeff Marek - On the Sheet: Max Bultman on Fedorov's Number Retirement
Episode Date: August 22, 2025Jeff is joined by The Athletic’s Max Bultman for an in-depth discussion on the Detroit Red Wings finally making things right by retiring Sergei Fedorov’s number.Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 ...Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼 Simply Spiked: https://www.simplyspiked.ca/en-CAReach out to sales@thenationnetwork.com to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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So I guess maybe the word around Detroit, Max, yesterday, the team that you covered,
the Detroit Red Wings, was finally, or was there a whole lot of conversation about why did
it take too long? This was really obvious when the Wings made the decision to finally
retired number 91. What did you think? You know this team.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of the same, right? I was, my first year on the beat was 2018, 19.
That was the year they retired Red Kelly's number. And I remember, I mean,
of all, Red Kelly learning about his career, which was obviously well predated me,
but I got to sit in his living room and learn from him and thought that was a really
special experience. In Detroit, though, the reaction was like, what about Sergei? I actually
felt really bad because Red Kelly's Jersey retirement was so overshadowed by how much the fans
wanted to see 91 go up. And so my entire time on the beat, this has been a huge storyline that
the fans have wanted. To me, I can't say it felt inevitable, right? Because there were some
some questions around whether it would ever happen with some of the strain on the relationship
and the way he left and the offer sheet that I'm sure we're all going to get to all of that.
But it did just feel like something was going to be missing if Fedorov's number wasn't up in
the rafters. And I think with this being their centennial season, I do think there's something
that feels right about. You probably couldn't have done the 100 year celebration with such a big
piece missing from the rafters. Or, yeah, or was such a big piece just sort of hanging over.
Like I'm always curious sort of what the motivation was or what caused, you know, the, the thaw with the relationship.
What caused the Tread Red Wings, the Illich family to finally relent?
Was it a combination of the fans want it?
This will hang over the celebration season.
Like, what was it that finally got this thing over the finish line?
I'd be theorizing, right?
I mean, to me, on one hand, right, like I do think this took way too long.
My personal opinion is the best time to do this
would have been the last season at the Joe
so that his number got to hang where he played, right?
When that didn't happen, though,
like you start looking.
I was shocked to learn this.
I wonder if you already know this instinctively.
You're such a historian.
This is the fourth fastest jersey they've retired in franchise history.
I never would have guessed that.
The only ones that were quicker were Eisenman, Federov, and how.
So they do take a while.
Maybe like, I think it's kind of a franchise thing.
Like they can be really, hey, let's, you know, slow play this.
I don't want to do too many of it.
He does, to me, feel, though, like one of these players that, you know, yeah, he wasn't a captain.
He wasn't a lifelong Red Wing.
I don't think you can tell the story of the Detroit Red Wings without Sergey Fedorov, without
the Russian Five.
He was so central to that golden era that it was just going to be like, you have to do this
eventually.
Like, like the ultimate, it's almost common sense, has to win out.
And I think that's kind of what happened here is that in the end, it's only the ninth one
they've done.
but, you know, he's certainly higher than ninth on the list of all-time franchise great.
So I don't, I can't tell you exactly what it was that caused it to be now.
I don't know if it's the history, the reflection that comes with a centennial season,
something like that.
If it's just simple time healing wounds, but it is the right thing to do, no doubt.
In a nice bit of trolling, as everybody has pointed out, January 12,
the Red Wings just happened to face off against the Carolina.
hurricanes and you know you mentioned the uh the infamous offer sheet we know that there's been a
healthy competition and no love lost between compiware and little caesars you know the illich
family and the carmanos family uh this was more than just a coincidence that the carolina
hurricanes happened to be in town max got to be right i mean it is kind of funny peter caramano
does not own hurricanes anymore so tom dundon finds himself a little bit in the center of this
but it's just one of those nice winks to history right i nobody on the ice nobody on those
teams is a part of it but i think the fans love it and that's a great thing yeah uh it would be
i guess would have to be the vancouver canucks because it was jim rutherford's handiwork i suppose
even though uh we know the whole idea that i came from the the owner peter carmanos um his
his story is a fascinating one with the detred redwings like i was lucky enough and i'm old enough
to have watched his entire career.
And if there was a more complete elite player in his era,
I don't know who it was.
He was as gifted as he was offensively.
He was equally gifted defensively,
as you saw with the Selkees.
I tend to think that automatically you win a heart trophy.
Right away, you go to the front of the line for the Hockey Hall of Fame.
He could take over games.
He could play in all situations.
He would play on the point.
you talked about the Russian five as well.
You know,
that 93 season was really special for Federov.
I mean, I start gushing about Federoff.
I catch myself and say, well, the next thing I'm going to say is,
and he invented oxygen.
But really, like, Federoff is one of those players
that when the puck hit the ice,
he would do max whatever he wanted to do.
From your viewings of them when you were young
and watching the Red Wings to watching video,
to talking to people,
about Sergei Federoff from a from a players point of view what's a consistency what keeps coming back
because to me he was complete and elite at everything that he did that's what it is i mean you talked
about the 93 94 season you score 120 points you win the selky trophy yeah i think you're the
MVP of the league jeff i think i think i think selky winners should probably be heart finalists a
little more often than they are frankly i mean we see it in the playoffs yeah what happens when
Connor McDavid runs into Alexander Barkoff, A, makes for a really great hockey game and a really
great seven game series, but oftentimes the guy who can shut you down wins. And so I do think that
that is a massive part of his legacy as perhaps the most complete forward of his era, certainly one
of the most complete forwards of all time. But yeah, I don't think you can tell his story as a
player without telling the origin story too, right? And it's a spy thriller, right? It's this like,
Oh, 100%.
Absolutely.
I said this on a local podcast last night here, the Winged Wheel Pod.
Like, if you just read it, if you knew nothing about hockey and you read this story or you
watch us as a movie, you'd go, yeah, the author laid it on a little thick with this one.
Okay.
It's like the Cold War and they draft him and he's got a defect.
And oh, by the way, he's going to show up and be amazing right away.
And they're going to make history with the first five-man unit.
It's all of it at once.
Yeah.
But, I mean, it's true.
I mean, it was a really special time, too, because yes, Federoff.
has that, you know, spy thriller story.
Alex McGilney has something similar.
I remember having long conversations with Jerry Meehan,
the Buffalo Sabres, getting Alexander McGilney.
You know, Brian Burke has told me countless stories about,
about Pavel Burray and getting him to the Vancouver Canucks.
I remember having conversation with Jim Lights about getting Peter Klama for crying.
Like, everybody, people coming from that part of the world at that time had these stories
that go back to, you know,
Another legendary hockey player that, you know, Red Wings fans will certainly know,
and that's Vasselab Natamanski, who risked it all to come over to North America to play.
And these are times where, as you know, like you went right up into the 90s,
if you went, sometimes your family would pay the price.
There was nothing frivolous about, you know, leaving Russia and coming to play hockey in the NHL.
It was always a dangerous decision.
And as you well know, Max, it was a dangerous decision.
dangerous track as well.
No doubt.
And I mean, there's a writer at the center of this, right?
I mean, I'm sure you and I probably get a little more of a kick out of this than maybe all
the listeners.
But the fact that the Detroit Free Press beat writer Keith gave at the time, like he goes to Russia
and slips a pamphlet, right?
Like, it's just all this stuff that you're like, man, did I get born a little too late?
I would have loved to have lived something like this.
Yeah, it really was a wild time.
You know, the Detroit Red Rings have had so many, you know, high-end elite super
star players in their, their history, you know, still more whose numbers will one day be retired.
Where do, like, I'm always curious, where did Detroit Red Wings fans put Sergei Federoff, you know,
in the conversation with Steve Eiserman and Gordy Howe and Nicholas Ledstrom, like, where do
they place them?
Like, if you're creating like a hierarchy of beloved Detroit Red Wings, where does Sergey
Federoff fit?
Well, I think the distinction that you.
would get to with eisenman how Littstrom is they were career red wings although how did obviously
have a after he left the red wings kind of a second arc um but you knew them as just lifers right captains
lifers and i think that's a little bit of a different category but when you just talk about on the ice
like sergey was as spectacular like the guy who honestly comes as the closest comparable to me for federov
would be datsu because it was a similar deal right you're you're one of the great two-way
defensive forwards in the league and oh by the way you're just pull you up
out of your seat electric, right?
And Datsuk's a little more like when I was growing up,
I got to see the full span at Datsuk's career as opposed to Fedorov.
But that's how I've always understood these two guys is maybe not the exact same
skill set, right?
I don't think Datsuk skated like Federov and nobody has hands like Datsuk.
But they're kind of, they're of a type.
And I think that's how I view them is they're just the guy that probably made you
fall in love with hockey.
And I think that's probably more the sentiment, right?
Whereas Eiserman is this consummate captain, this leader.
You're not going to see quite the level of personality from Steve Eisenman that you would see from a Sergei Fedorov.
But Federov was the guy who went, oh, maybe I should try to put on a pair of skates.
And oh, by the way, maybe there'll be these cool white skates, right?
And these things that no one else does.
And so that, to me, is a big part of Sergey Federov's legacy is the flair and the style.
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Let me pause on that for a second.
I'm really glad you got us there, Max, because one of the things, and you'll talk to mainly players,
will refer to this, but the look was so unique, you know, the, the white skates, the Nike
swoosh, the Nike helm, like all of it, you know, off the ice too with like, you know,
the long feathers, the sports car, like all of it, like whole thing that went into Sergei
Federoff outside of the skills. But the look that went along with it, I think fans certainly
appreciated it, but players loved it. How many players have you talked about, talked to
who have said, yeah, man, you know, I love that Federoff look.
That was so cool and unique at the time.
Well, he's just so cool, right?
Like, I mean, it's the cool factor that I wish the game had a little bit more freedom to express, I think, today.
And I think about guys like in Austin Matthews as like a modern comp.
And we were talking about this last day too, right?
Like, who could even do this in today's game, right?
Like it's, and get away with it in a way that didn't get, you know, carved or, oh, they're making it about
themselves. And Federov kind of transcended that. So I can't tell you I actually asked players about
this. It hasn't come into my mind, though, now that you're asking me, I kind of would like to.
But that's how I read the situation is the cool factor in addition to how great a player he was.
And the two go hand in hand. I don't think you can do the sports car and have that, you know,
level of swagger and all this and then, you know, be a 15 goal guy on the fourth line. But he was
Sergey Federer. He could do it. But that's the thing, too. Like if you didn't like the look, like you
couldn't criticize him for like showboating or trying to draw attention to himself because
he would draw attention to himself and then be the best player on the ice score five goals in
a game exactly yeah for Washington capitals for that one um you know the uh the federoff thing is
is is is so fascinating and you're right like there's a lot of angles of the story and there's
the carolina offer sheet and there and there is the also and this one i know stung the red
wings for a long time you know even as as as most recently as as last season
if you would check in.
There was still bitterness over him choosing Anaheim over Detroit.
Did they have a deal?
How solid was it?
Was it more than a hang?
Where was that deal?
Listen, it was, put it this way,
at the time,
it was a controversial way for Federoff to depart Detroit.
How has that story been told over the years?
And are we now in a situation where the story is going to,
to get told again and we might get more information on it it's a good point i hadn't really thought about
that as like this is an avenue for you know you get to the reconciliation stage maybe people get a
little bit more history to talk about what went on i'm always like like like history is just like
an ongoing wave it goes away and then it comes back and it goes away and it comes back and it comes
back and i can't help but thinking the anahehan you know leaving for anaheim wave is now coming
back in the Fedorov conversation.
It's a great point.
And I think to me, when I think about that time, two things come to mind.
One is like how recent the success was.
And it's the same deal with the offer sheet, right?
Like they're coming off a Stanley Cup in 1997 and he sits out half the season.
He signs an offer sheet and they end up winning it in 98.
So I guess all as well that ends well there.
Then you win at no two and by 03, it's leaving again, right?
And when you talk about the history that we went through, right?
Everything that the Red Wings went through to get him here to drafting him.
I'd be lying if I said I couldn't understand why they would be like, what the heck, man?
Look, like, why don't you just want to stay with us forever?
I can understand that, right?
It's just when you let that emotion, that very human, honest emotion, get in the way of what's
so obviously should be such, like, Sergei Federoff should be on Redmings billboards because
of how central he was to the golden era, and how many Redmings fans he helped create, right?
And so it's when those two things come into contract, sorry, come into conflict.
the very understandable human emotion and then they're like ah yeah but you can't let that you know we all have human emotions that we have to moderate and not let get in the way of our bigger broader goals and so that to me is kind of how i see the story of it is like i get it but don't let it stop you from honoring this guy from making this guy a part of your a central part of your story because he is and listen like a part of the uh a central part of the illich detroit red wings yeah and
You know, to go back into history, you know, Mike Illich buys the Detroit Red Wings and they had to give away cars to get people into the building.
You know, I think it was, was a Brad Park who in lieu of certain compensation, you know, Mike Gillich gave him two little Cesar's franchises.
Like they did, like at the beginning, like the Detroit Red Wings did everything to help reestablish the greatness that once was the Detroit Red Wings.
and there are a lot of steps along the way and, you know, good steps, bad steps,
missteps, and, you know, Eisman rolls along and even he didn't have, you know,
the ultimate success early, it took a while.
But as far as establishing the Detroit Red Wings as, you know,
a great, legitimate superstar hockey brand in the NHL,
they said all those people in the past we mentioned earlier all played a big part.
And so did Sergey Federoff.
And you can't, whether you like it or not, like you can't, you can't ignore it.
Sometimes you just sort of say, like, look, it still hurts, it still burns, but this is
the right thing to do.
And part of me when I saw, you know, your story yesterday at the athletic and the subsequent
release from the Detroit Red Wings, I thought, okay, they may not like this.
Because I still, like, there's still a big part of me that believes they don't want to do
this, right?
Like this is being done sort of grudgingly.
Everyone will say the right things, but that wound is still deep.
And every now and then that wound can still open.
Because I think that the Detroit Red Wings and the Illich family,
correct me if I'm wrong here, Max, you're closer to it than me.
Kind of took it personally.
And when you have a family that owns a team,
sometimes decisions are taken personally.
They're not, it's not quote unquote, just business.
Well, and how can it be when you run a team as, you know, core to yourself?
Like, that's how Mike Illich ran the team.
And that's why he was so beloved in Detroit is that, like,
he ran it like it was his favorite team too and you see sometimes in sports particularly in baseball
i i love baseball jeff but there's too many baseball teams that are run like a hedge fund or like it's
just supposed to be a profit machine well mike illich if he wanted a player he would tell ken holland i want
the player go get him he will help us win a stanley cup right and so yeah like of course it gets
more personal when that's how you're operating it it you feel it with the fervor and the zeal
of a fan in addition to the owner um now i i will say like mike and man
were the owners at that time and that this Chris Litch's parents now Chris is running the team right so
I wonder about that I wonder you know does that kind of change of the guard does that smooth things
you look at who the general manager is who knows sergey federer better than Steve eiserman
Jeff like and so when when iserman comes in immediately you start to wonder okay maybe this is a bridge
it kind of reminds me I don't know if you follow US college basketball much right but the fab five
were estranged from Michigan oh I remember fab five oh yeah yeah and and so joan
Howard becomes the head coach and pretty soon you start to see the Fab Five showing up at games again, right?
It's, when you start to kind of ease those tensions, you bridge those gaps, you find the right
person to extend the olive branch, all those things, it helps. But, you know, to your point,
we'll never know, because they're never going to say, you know, what feelings are still there.
They probably know it's the right thing to do. Could I tell you if it's unanimous or not?
I could not, you know, but it should be because he's he's that special. He's that. He's that
good and they're doing it. And so that's kind of where I fall on it as there's just some things
I'm not going to ever be able to know, but I would I would guess along your lines that there's
probably still some people that have some conflicted emotions about it. But, you know,
they're arriving at the right conclusion. You know, a lot is made about the Carolina offer
sheet. And it was expensive, certainly with that, you know, that first year bonus. But
nonetheless, I'm always reminded of a story told to me by Bill Waters.
who used to be an agent and was an assistant general manager with Maple Leafs and et cetera, et cetera.
And he told me a story.
He was representing a player by the name of Warren Young.
And Warren Young played with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
And in his one walkaway year, his free agent year, had a tremendous season with Pittsburgh,
mainly fueled by Mario, but nonetheless.
And the Detroit Red Wing signed him.
I think it was like $1.5 million, which at the time was, this is like mid-80s, was an astronomical number.
And Bill told me the story.
They were out at dinner, and he was sitting beside Mike Illich.
And Mike said, ah, you know what, Billy, you got me on the Warren Young deal.
And Bill goes into Agent Mo and said, no, no, no, it's a good deal for a good deal for the player.
And it's a good deal for the Detroit Red Wings.
And he said, Mike Gillich cut him off and said, no, no, no, Bill, Bill, Bill.
It's okay.
It's fine.
Because if it doesn't work out and I end up paying too much for Warren Young, you know what I'm going to do?
And Bill said what?
He said, I'm going to raise the price of pizza, Bill.
I'm always going to get my money back.
And that's why when I looked at the opposite sheet situation, part of, part of me, Max, is like, you know, the, the, the, the illage family wealth is so spread out.
It's like, hey, you know what?
It's a lot of money.
Just raise the price of pizza.
Except they never raise the price of the pizza.
It's still six bucks.
That's good for them.
Like, honestly, good for the, good for the illage family.
Before I close, let me ask you one sort of generic thought on what we should look for from the Detroit Red Wings this season.
I think that Marco Casper is on the verge of a breakout,
either this season or next season.
What should we look for here from Steve Eisenman's crew?
Well, let's start here.
The Casper breakout began.
Like, it is 42 games in, right?
And then the question here is, can he sustain it over a full season?
Because from January, I think it's January 10 on,
he was on a 30-plus goal pace.
I think it's 58 or so point pace.
Like if he's that for a full season,
if he's a 60-point 30-goal, good defensive,
two-way center, that's a huge deal for this team. That answers some questions that have followed them
around for close to a decade now, right? He's also tough. He's got edge. He's a good kid.
Like, that's a big deal if that second half surge was real. Now, we do see sometimes sophomore slump
or, hey, you know, how much of this was this new coach bump, right? Because that happens every time
there's a coaching change. And now they're going to start from scratch. But I do believe in Marco
Casper. Is it going to be 30 goals? We'll see. But I think, you know, 25 goals, 55 or so points. Is it
totally reasonable bar to set for Marco Casper going into this year.
And maybe he's going to be better than that.
I think the question people have had on him going back to the draft year is how much
kind of pure skill is it versus, you know, he'll score some goals going to the net.
He'll play fast.
He's fearless.
Personally, I don't care how they go in, but I do think there is some translatability factor
to that.
Like you do probably want to be able to have some of the, you know, not hard to say.
In the playoffs, you would say you'd rather have the goals that are greasy.
But in the regular season, I think, you know, the easy offense, so to speak, that's how you pile up points.
That's one question.
A couple other young guys, I think, will define how this season goes as well as their big offseason edition, John Gibson.
One is Simon Edmondson.
I thought Simon Edvinson was really good last season.
But he's still dialing in, right, when do I jump into the play?
He's a six-six guy who skates great and has good hands.
His whole life, he's been able to jump into any play he wants and recover flawlessly.
In the NHL, it's not quite that simple, right?
So there is a risk-reward calculus that he is, I think, kind of constantly trying to find the balance of.
He did not get hardly any power play time for the first 70 games or so last year.
Down the very end of the stretch, he got some.
And I wonder if we see more power play time for Simon Edmondson, does he elevate into like a 40, 50-point defenseman who all of a sudden has taken Tuffs?
He's competitive.
He's skates.
Well, he can defend anybody in transition because of how long he is and how good a skater he is.
If that comes to fruition, all of a sudden you're talking about another, like, most cider level player, that changes your outlook.
But to me, my two big questions are, who does he play with?
Because I think they went into this offseason, wanting to get a top four, ideally right shot defensement, and they did not find one, right?
They signed Travis Hammondick last week.
I don't think that's really a second pair of solution with what you saw in Ottawa last year.
Are they going to ask Albert Johansson to do it?
I mean, he's a slight guy.
He's a smart player.
He's a good skater, but he's 6-0.
and last I saw him, he was very skinny.
I think it would be a hard ask for him.
He did it at times last year,
but I think it'd be a hard ask for him
to play 82 games on the second pair.
And then it's in goal, right?
I mean, they have not had stability in goal
since Jimmy Howard.
They've had short-term bursts.
Alex Nadelcovich gave him short-term burst.
Jonathan Bernier gave him a pretty dang good season.
You saw a burst from Nadelcovich.
You saw burst from Huso.
You saw a burst from Alex Lyon,
but you also saw valleys in those same things.
And I think what you're hoping, by bringing in John Gibson is, he can take 50 games,
he can be consistent, and he can give you the best version of Cam Talbot, who's not
going to be as overtax as I think Camp Talbot was last year.
And if they get good goaltending, if they get stable goaltending that doesn't give you a month
or six weeks, and particularly in the month of March, where they have been miserable the last
couple years, if you can avoid that lull in goal for those stretches, then I think they have a chance
to be a playoff team.
But that's a few ifs, right?
We're talking about if Casper does it again, if Edvinson, if Johan, if Johan, if Johan,
if Johansson, if Gibson, right?
It's a lot of ifs.
There were some, let me close on this,
there were some who believed,
I mean, just picked up the goaltending conversation,
that the woes can be laid at one position
and that is net-minding.
If Detroit, to your point,
haven't had it consistently for a while,
had net-minding last year,
they're a playoff team.
Do you believe it's as simple as that?
We'll close on that.
I think there's a chance
that would have been the case.
I think the Redmings have more problems than that.
I think mentally they can be more resilient.
I think physically they can be tougher.
I don't think they get enough hard offense.
I don't think the blue line has been good enough that you can say,
oh, the goalies are the sole reason for this.
But I do think what they haven't gotten much of in the month of March in particular,
but really for like five years,
I don't think they've gotten enough bailouts.
I don't think they've had enough nights where you'll watch a game.
And Dallas is a way better team than Detroit.
But there will be a night where Dallas, just okay.
Jake Ottinger steals him in the game.
There's a lot of nights where the Winnipeg Jets are just okay.
And they win the game because of Connor Hallibuck.
I don't think there's too many nights like that for the Detroit Red Wings in the last several years.
And I think if they were getting, you look at how close they've been, give them three of those nights last year.
I think they're in the playoffs.
If you give them one of those nights, one more of those nights, two years ago, they're in the playoffs.
So it's a very real chance that that is the difference.
I just don't think it's that simple.
It's way too convenient to say that is basically what I'm saying.
And they need to get harder.
They need to get more mentally tough
and they need to get better defensively as well.
You're the best.
Thanks for your time.
I know you're incredibly busy.
Thanks for sharing your expertise on Federoff.
And is there any chance on January 12th,
Sergey Federoff, Jersey Retirement Day?
We see someone in a Carolina Hurricanes Federoff, Jersey.
Well, there is now,
because I think if you're going to this game
and you're listening to this pod,
You got to, and you're a Canes fan, you've got to make that happen for yourself.
So I like that.
I like that.
That'd be a pretty good little dig there by a Canes fan.
Let's come to Detroit.
We'll see how it goes.
You're the best, Max.
Thanks, Bell.
Hey, thanks so much for having me, Jeff.
Have a great finish to your summer.
I've said 16 hours last night every day this week, every day this month.
I can't get out my head, lifestyle, ambitious day to day.
because you can call it all right
I went to the dark man
and tried to give me a little medicine
I'm like now and that's fine
I'm not against those
men that's but I knew
it's me and myself
and how this is going to be fixing my mind
I turned on the backer
I turned on the music
I do on the backer
I turn on the music
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