The Sheet with Jeff Marek - On the Sheet: Pierre McGuire on the Peterka Trade and the NHL Draft

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

Jeff Marek is joined by Pierre McGuire to break down the JJ Peterka trade and what it signals about the flurry of moves happening around the NHL. The two dive into the latest free agency buzz, the unusual trend of players announcing their own trades, and what to expect under the new CBA. They also preview the upcoming NHL Draft and discuss how teams are positioning themselves.Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Ninja Kitchen Canada: https://www.ninjakitchen.ca/products/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system-zidFN101CGY?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=olv&utm_campaign=25Q2-Crispi&utm_content=en👍🏼Budweiser: https://www.budweiser.ca/ca_enReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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There are two really important days on the NHL calendar. One's the day the Stanley Cups are awarded, and the other day is the draft. Because you're welcoming all these new bodies into the national hockey league. I always loved the draft, whether I was working it, whether I was working in it, whether I was broadcasting it. I loved the draft. It's one of those days where it's always a good new story, right? Like that's, I was saying this on the Securitism Price show today and they're

like, why do you want to love the draft so much? And it's like, well, everything's a good news story. The parents are happy. The kids are happy. The teams are happy. Everyone's got smiles. Like, you know, all the tent pole events around the NHL, how many days you look at and go, everybody's happy at the end of it, you know, like that's what draft is.

everybody's happy at the end of it. You know, like that's what draft is. But, but as, uh, as you and I have discussed, I remember, you and I having this conversation actually at the gym in the Montreal, Montreal draft, um, this is the week where you got to figure out who's being honest and who's lying and who's telling half truths and where the truths are, you know, Winston Churchill would talk about

the truth at wartime. And there's one great quote that always stuck with me. He said, at wartime or during war, the truth is so precious, she must be attended to by a bodyguard of lies. Are we seeing a bodyguard of lies this week to quote Winston Churchill up here? Well, I don't know about the bodyguard of lies, but I love that quote and you're very eloquent in your presentation. But here's the thing, Jeff, that I've seen a lot of fluid drafts like you've

seen a lot of fluid drafts. So I think we can pick the first four guys. I think we can, but I don't know that, but I think we can. So if I'm gonna do the first four guys, I'm gonna do Matthew Schaeffer, you gonna agree with me? 100%. I'm gonna do Michael Misa, you gonna agree with me? Unless San Jose has that pick and play, yes, I will agree with you.

Okay, so now we're already seeing, we don't know. Anton Frondell, you think he's going to perform? You know, I think the Schaeffer is a lock and I think the closest thing to a second lock in this is Anton Frondell to the Chicago block. Okay. And then do you think Porter Marton's going in the top four? Is Utah keeping the pick. So you see what I'm saying? We're all over the map.

This is why I'm presenting this. Yeah. And, and I, again, to be transparent, Jeff and I talk a lot, and this is one of the things I've talked about. One, I think one of the fastest moving guys in this whole thing, Jeff is Caleb Didenway. I agree. I really do.

Yep. Now, um, he's had, I want to say it's like seven different interviews or meetings, whether it's, you know, regional or Kyle Davidson or whatever, meetings with Chicago Blackhawks. Now I still think they're taking Frondell, but nonetheless, they have had an extensive meeting background with, with Caleb Dane, the Monkton Wildcats of the queue. Um, the other, you know, the, the other team that I, that I wonder about are the Nashville Predators. Barry Trott spent a lot of time around Moncton at the Memorial Cup.

And I don't necessarily think it's just to put everybody off the scent. There are some things that managers do to put everybody off the scent. I don't think that that was one of them. But I agree with you about the NYA. So that's at five is where Nashville's picking. That's kind of like right in the wheelhouse for Caleb Des Moines. So, and I look at, he was really young when I knew him because my son and his older brother were teammates in Quebec. Elliott's playing in Philadelphia. So, and I watched the father play with Marty Berder in St. Hyacinth with the Lakers. So like it go a long way back with the, with the Dinway family.

Um, but what I'd say is that's right in his wheelhouse, but you said something before that was so wise. What happens if Utah trades the pick? Why not Utah? Like Utah right now, everywhere. What is it like? Is it like Utah has a, I want to say four, maybe five first rounders that aren't in the lineup yet.

Like there are some teams, I always talk about teams and you know, how many green bananas can you have? Like at a certain point, coaches, coaches like, look, we need teams. You're being players. We got to put, we got to put this team together. And now you're seeing Utah bring in JJ Praterka. We're going to get there in a couple of seconds. Um, I believe that the Praterka deal, you know, opens up a right shot

space on the blue line, perhaps for someone like Aaron Echblad. And all of a sudden the first pair is Echblad and Sergechev and you're off to the races and you're talking about a playoff spot for Utah. Like I look at, I look at Utah right now and say to myself, they, what, Matthew Schaeffer is the best player in this draft. The Allenders won this draft. They get Matthew Schaeffer. We look how many spots Utah moved up.

In some ways this has found money. You can make your pick or you can use it to get something that's going to help you next year as you make a playoff push. So I'm not even sure that Utah makes the pick. So no, I'm agreeing with you. So I don't know either. And you know, you talked about Paterka.

It's a great acquisition for them. Yes. I understand some people in Buffalo are wondering, could we, should we, what are we getting? I get it. Josh Jones, a very useful player. Again, going a long way back, all the way back to the BRIC tournament watching him play, going to the Quebec Pee-wee tournament watching

him play. So I go a long way back, you know? And at the time, Josh was playing for a team out of LA, he wasn't playing for a team out of Arizona. He was at the Quebec Pee-wee tournament where he played for a team out of Arizona. So again, very familiar with the player. Um, and so he's a useful player. He's going to play on your team. Michael Kesselring. I watched him play at Newhampton prep for four years. Watch them play at Northeastern university for two years. He's just getting into it.

He's a 25 year old right now. He's just getting into it. So before everybody prejudges a trade, be fair to Buffalo. And I think be fair to Utah. Let's see how this all plays out. It's not one of those where you can declare an instant winner, but I think what Billy Armstrong did in Utah made his team a very real contender for a playoff spot. I do. I really, they were, they were one of the teams that I think we circled and said,

like, look, this is the year where Utah starts to go for it. Utah slash Arizona with all the draft draft picks and players accrued by the old Arizona coyotes here. Like they weren't that close, they weren't that far away when they moved from Arizona to Utah here. So I'm with you. I think that the Utah Mammoth are going to be a player at the draft. I think they're going to be a player on July 1st and they're going to be a player next year as they push for a playoff spot. A couple more things on the draft and

then I do want to talk more about this, the Pachirka deal and a couple of other deals that we saw today. And, and oh yeah, like all of a sudden there's a skeleton of a CBA and it's like the fourth story. Like we finally, Pierre, we finally have a peacetime CBA. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get to the CBA. Yeah, we'll get to the CBA. You know, Brady Martin is an interesting name. They're of the, of the Sioux Greyhound sort of in the Sam Bennett mold. I was really impressed at how a smart this kid was at the combine.

You know, when he was asked who he would best compare his game to. He said Sam Bennett and Tom Wilson, which just happens to be what every team is looking for right now. James Higgins is another name that's in that top mix. Certainly you mentioned Porter Martone. It wouldn't be a surprise if the Islanders try to, as everyone's talked about, not just draft Matthew Schaeffer, but also try to get another pick to bring James Hagen's home. Matthew Darsh, the new general manager there. Let me ask you about Darsh.

Now he comes from Tampa, you know, working alongside Julian Brizbois. Not just because it's McGill and I have a lot of respect for McGill, but he comes from a very, he's background is he went to a very, one of the more respected universities in all of Canada. He's no dummy. He's really smart. He knows hockey. He played. He understands the game at a lot of different levels, obviously. He's a rookie general manager. You've worked in a lot of different areas of this game. How much is Matthew Darsh getting tested right now by not just other general managers who think

maybe they can get one by on the new GM, but by agents as well. You ever thought on that dynamic of the new GM? Absolutely. I think it's so well phrased. The answer is everybody's his friend. He's probably getting more calls he's never gotten in his life. And they're all testing them every single one, including the agents, by the way. One of the good pieces of news though, I think, he's been exposed to a lot because of his time in Tampa. And it wasn't like they were a neophyte

team. There are a lot of veteran people there. You talked about Julian Briesbough. Before that, there was Steve Eisenman. In that group, there was Al Murray, who's one of the best amateur evaluators we've ever had in the history of the game. He's been surrounded by some really good people. He saw the do's and the don'ts of what to do in business. So do I think there'll be this little feeling out process? Yes, I do.

The Hagens thing is interesting. I'm glad you brought that up too, Jeff, because at seven, I believe the Boston Bruins are picking. And what ha and I think that's probably where Higgins is going to fall unless somebody goes off the board. What happens if the Bruins want to do a deal on, let's say, I don't know, Noah Dobson, then all of this, no, Dobson's in play, isn't he? Uh, Noah Dobson is a, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no No Adopsin's in play, isn't he? No Adopsin is definitely out there.

And I think there are teams that around trade deadline thought they were either close or were right there to having no Adopsin. So I don't think this is anything new with no Adopsin. I'm trying to figure out where all of this comes from. I don't know. You get the feeling that there's a piece we're missing here. Is there a clash with the coach? Is there a clash with something I don't know? And if it's the coach, does it go back to the QMJHL? Again, I don't know. But for whatever reason, the long-winded way of me moving along the conversation, yes,

Noah Dobson I think is in play and by the sounds of things, you know, was even being asked about when Lou Lamarillo ran the team. Oh, I can tell you right now when coach Lamarillo was running the team there, Noah Dobson was out there and part of it was the financial demand that they were putting on the team. Lew is a big believer in the internal cap as you all know. He ran it for years in New Jersey. He started it in Toronto, and I think he was putting it well into play in Long Island. No adoptions of original demand for 11 million. I don't think sat really well with internal leadership of the outers when Lew was there. I only bring up Boston because number

seven, I think is where Hagens falls. And secondly, Brandon Carlo got traded out of Boston. So that opens up a second right-hand defense spot for a player like Noah Dobson. You insulate Charlie McEvoy on the right side and your team is deeper. And I'm not saying the Bruins put themselves out there, but here's what I am prepared to say. When they did their press conference at the end of the year, with ownership, Cam Neely and Don Sweeney, they said, we're not just going to be a playoff team next year, we're going to be a real competitor in the playoffs next year. Not with the team you got right now,

you're not. So you better get it's not draft picks, they're going to make you that team right now for next year. It's going to be real NHL players. One other name I want to get your thoughts on quickly, then we'll get to Baterka. Jake O'Brien. Now, Jake O'Brien, listen, put up a ton of points for the brand for Bulldogs of the OHL, playing with Merrick Vaneker, who's a Chicago Blackhawks draft pick. Caleb Malhotra comes in next year. He's draft eligible. He'll play on that line. That'll be a line that'll just tear up the Ontario. How about Nick Lardis? How is Nick Lardis on that?

I know. 70 goals. 70 goals for Nick Lardis. It's pretty good third round pick too for everyone that thinks they're a draft genius. That's off to Chicago. Oh, a hundred percent. It's off to Chicago on that. Absolutely. Do you ever thought, when you look at Jake O'Brien, and by his own admission too, he's got a lot of work to do putting on size. He's got the frame for it. You just got to put on the weight now, kid. You ever thought on Jake O'Brien through all of this here? I do. He's a point getter.

There's no question. And I think he's learning how to play in all facets of the game, but you can't take away the peripheral vision, the skill, and especially the power play stuff that he's so good at, especially he and Lardis. But if I could for one second, and your reference points on this are so good, I think when I watch Jake O'Brien play, I'm watching another guy play that's in the NHL right now, and it's Dylan Strom at the same age. Dylan was one of those guys that made Mitch Meda teams when he had the man advantage.

He was really good at it. I think you would agree on that. And I see a lot of similarities, but look how long it took for Dylan to finally break through at the NHL level and really be a go-to guy, right? It took a while. That's kind of where I see Jake O'Brien.

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And listen, I'll be honest with you, Pierre. I look at this draft class. I don't look at anyone and say they're going to play in the NHL next year. I think there's one guy that could, and I don't think they'll do it. I don't think they'll put Schaefer in the NHL next year. You only, you know, you only play 17 games this year. Yeah. I just, I don't see how you do that to the kid.

That's exposing to a lot. I'm going to say this. I feel really bad about it to this day. When I was in Hartford, we drafted a player, Robert Petrovitsky. Oh yeah. And I really felt our coaching staff was good enough to develop him. And so we didn't send him home. We kept him.

And I look at it now and every time I've seen Robert over the years, I always apologize to him, that's on us. It wasn't on him. We rushed him. I don't think we gave him a fair chance and his career was never as good as it should have been. And I've always told him that every time I've seen him, I've always felt bad about it. Yeah.

I'll tell you, you touched on something there that's really interesting here too. I've, I've felt like this for, for a long time. We focused so much on the drafting piece and we think that the drafting piece goes to the playing piece in the NHL, but there's also the development too. And I know a lot of teams get blasted. Oh, you missed on this guy. You missed on this guy. That's a bad pick.

Were they really bad picks or did they just not get developed? It's not the scouts that fell down. It's the development piece wasn't there for these players. Like some teams you look at and go like, yeah, one guy from this draft that played 15 games and that's it. Then the next year at all your picks, nobody played and all that. And I look at it and I say, this is a very well scouted league. I don't think the issue when you look at something like that are the scouts.

I look at it more at the development pieces in there for these guys. And that's out of their hands. I completely agree. This is the unseen part of the national hockey league right now. Cause we are rushing players. Cause younger players are cheaper. And yeah, the cap is now finally going up. So you always want to have young players coming through your organization.

So I'm going to use a Florida Panthers as an example. So let's just go here. AJ Greer. I think that was his third team. Thomas Nosek. I think Florida is his fourth team. Jonah Gadsvich. I think it's his third team. And then lookewicz, I think it's his third team.

And then look at the rest of them. Look at all those guys. Like Gustav Forsen, Revelation right now. What happened? Sylvain Lefebvre is what happened to him. You look at the forwards up front, how did they improve? I'm gonna say Jamie Kampon, and I'm gonna say Tuomo Ruto.

I'm gonna say those two guys. So as much as I respect and love Paul Maurice, head coaches don't do that development stuff. Head coaches have to deal with the media. They have to deal with the headaches of all the pressure of handling the team. Guys have a bad day. You guys have a good day. He's dealing with all that, but the assistants have to run the development part.

I think Florida has done that as well or better than anybody. To your point, I think the development part is overlooked and a lot of scouts get blamed for bad development. I really believe that. Amen. All right. Buffalo and Utah. It all began, well, they got the whispers about it last night. And JJ Paterka for Josh Doan and Michael Kesselring,

right shot defenseman as you've noted. At this time of year and then in the off season, let me frame this this way, Pierre. I really don't like to make my mind up about teams until I see the entire body of what a general manager does in the off season. Just like I look at Vancouver and right now, like Rutherford and Alvina are getting knocked

for the Evander Cane trade. I keep saying to myself, I don't keep looking at these as one offs. Look at the totality of what an organization does leading into next season. So let me temper it that way. Right now, it's not a great looking trade for the Buffalo Sabres. This is a frontline guy in JJ Peturka.

You know, he's, I think we can all look at him and say like, like, what's the minimum for him next year? 35 goals on a team like Utah? Probably. I would say, yeah, probably. Right. And Josh Stone is not a first line player. Michael Kesselring is going to probably line up with Owen Power.

And it's the kind of defenseman that Owen Power probably should be playing with. But right now, this one tilts to Utah. If we're doing like, hot take right away, who won, who lost? How do you see this trade? It's one of those you're going have to wait and see the other part There's nobody's talking about the Vaughn Levi who's one of their top prospects at Rochester He played with Michael Kessler ring at Northeastern University

So there's a sense of familiarity there and you have to think that the Vaughn Levi is gonna be in the NHL next year So that's a positive thing I'm sure they picked his brain. One of the things that I think Buffalo has actually done well, they've evaluated American born players extremely well. Josh Stone, even though his father's Canadian, Josh Stone's American kid. And you look at Kesselring, same kind of thing, American kid. They're really good at that. It started with, I think, a mandate from ownership by Mr. Pagula. We're going to be experts in certain areas. And one of those are going to be American born players.

Cause if you look at a lot of the guys they've added since Mr. Pugula has been there, American born players, you know, like I'll use the last one, Josh Norris comes to Buffalo from Ottawa. He's an American born player, even though his father's Canadian. So I'm just saying that, that kind of, I think that's kind of infiltrated their organization. There's something there and let me give you another example.

So the year that they drafted Casey Middlestad, this is, again, this is, this is when, when Jissa Baudereau and Randy Sexton ran it, um, all the scouts the night before, everybody was in agreement, you know, the night before, okay, who we taking? If Martin Natchez is available, we're taking Martin Natchez.

Comes time to make the pick and Baudereau and Sexton stand up and say, okay, who we taking? If Martin H is available, we're taking Martin H. Comes time to make the pick and Baudrill and Sexton stand up and say, okay, we're taking Casey Middlestad. Now the scoutsmen, what? We're taking, I thought we disagreed. We're taking Martin H. Uh, okay, boss, we're, we're taking Casey. But you're right. Like when, when, when the Buffalo Sabres get a chance, their default setting

is go to the American kid. You're right. So I think it's early to judge a trade, but so I wanna give it full opportunity to flourish. Michael Kesselring has never played better than what he's done in the last calendar year. That's true. Jeff, he's been really good. That's true, you're right.

He's been really good. I'm just, he's been a, if you look at his career stats, he's mostly been a minus player because he's tried to do too much. That's the first time at a real high level. He's been a plus player on a non-playoff team. That's hard to do as you know. And I thought he was important for the Americans when they were overseas

at the world championships this year. They went to gold medal. So I had to opt in for that. But here's what I'd say. Josh Stone is going to be a very useful utility player for them He's not going to be a first-line dominant player like a JJ Paturka can be Okay, so we'll see what what happens next with these two teams Yeah, yeah

Do you buy my theory now that that right side spot is open on the blue line with? Aaron Ekblad and a lot of cap space still for Utah does that make sense to Pierre McGuire? It a hundred percent it does the only caveat I have to disagreement and Echblad and a lot of cap space still for Utah. Does that make sense to Pierre McGuire? A hundred percent it does. The only caveat I have to disagreement, what happens if Florida does something and finds a way to keep Aaron Echblad? It's-

Outside of that, I think your theory holds a lot of weight. I'm with you. I just don't know whether, and I keep trying to figure out, okay, so if this guy's eight and then we'll see what they give Marchand like how much money is left here unless they make a move Like is is Aaron Echblad coming back for six or six and a half? I don't know that I see it. I know what you mean. I'm sure that's what I love to say That's why that caveat is if he decides to stay there because I think they're gonna do everything again

But I love your theory, you know, you look at it Sergei Chevin him The caveat is if he decides to stay there. Because I think they're gonna do everything they can. But I love your theory. You know, you look at it, Sergei Chevin, him, that's a good start for them. That looks good. That's a different pair. That's a really good start. Andre Turing, he just became a real good coach. Why, did they get another goalie?

I think that's gonna be part, I do think that's gonna be part of their plan. I do think that's gonna be part of their plan. I do think that's going to be part of their plan. I really do. I think they're looking for a goaltender, certainly. Okay. A couple of minutes here with you. I know it's bizarre, but here we are. Like the skeleton of a new CBA is out there and we're all sort of wrapping

our minds around the idea of, you know, 84 games, four year extension, um, playoff salary cap, whatever that looks like. For the first time since Gary Bettman took over in 1993 from Gil Stein, previous to him, John Ziegler, we have a peacetime CBA and one that's not done with the lockout and one that's not done with a hammer. CBA and one that's not done with the lockout and one that's not done with a hammer. We have one that's done between the NHL and the NHLPA well in advance a year, over a year of the CBA expiring. What do you think of that? I think it's fantastic for the growth of the game.

I think it's fantastic for a league that's really going in the right direction. And I think there's one thing that helped it along. I could be wrong on this, and if I am, I hope somebody from the league will call me. I think with expansion potentially coming very soon, with Atlanta and whether it's Houston or some other team, I think the league made the point to the Players Association hands off of that money, but we're gonna make good on other things. And so everybody picked their battle. And I don't see anything about expansion fees being shared to the players. I think that's what the league wanted. On the other side, there were a lot of things

that the Players Association wanted, and I think the league compromised on those. And that's why I think we have some labor piece I think one of the smartest things the NHL did Was make public three numbers 95 104 and 113 Well in advance of negotiations guys This is what we're looking at for the salary cap. And all the players went, whoa.

I think that went a long way to labor peace. The guys knew what they, what they were, what they were looking at. And all of a sudden to your point, if the players association thought about getting a piece of the $2 billion expansion fee for Atlanta, Houston, wherever else, that kind of went away. We're not willing to fight over it because we know 95-104-113 is out there and waiting for us. Yeah. And I agree with that.

I think that was the biggest thing that created the Sabre of Harmony that you're speaking of and in my 35 years in the league, this is probably the best relationship I've seen between the NHL and the NHL Pia and I think part of that is because of Marty Walsh and I think part of that is because of Bill Daley and Gary Bettman I really believe that That's a great piece time CDA, who would have known? Pierre look forward to tomorrow night, Mon ami, we'll talk then. Can't wait. There he is.

Can't wait my man, take care. I'm trying to give a little medicine, I'm like, nah man that's fine I'm not against those methods but no It's me, myself and how this gon' be fixing my mind I do want a bracket I turned on the music I do want a bracket I turned feel the music It's enough, they're better than you sometimes losing Helping on the days that went wrong

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