The Sheet with Jeff Marek - On the Sheet: Zach Hyman

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Zach Hyman joins Jeff Marek to discuss the recent purchase of the Brantford Bulldogs, his journey from the OJHL to NCAA to the NHL, playing with Matthews and McDavid, and much more...Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Acast.com. Okay, Zach Hyman, first of all, congratulations. I want to talk about the Bulldogs here in a second, but first you have to level with our entire audience. If you stood up right now, true or false, we'd see a pair of Bermuda shorts and you'd have flops on and behind that phony wall there's a beach and there's the ocean and there's palm trees and you got the coconut oil ready to go because everybody is down south right now but not you Zach Hyman, what

gives? False, I'm in Brantford. Only thing that's not true is this is not my office, but I am here, boots on the ground in Brantford and taking it all in. A little different, different break than everybody else, but definitely a fun one for me. Again, congratulations to your family. I know that this is the end of a 20 year pursuit by your family looking to purchase an OHL team, your name has been out there and associated with the OHL for a long time. When, I mean, take us back like a month ago, the sale finally goes through, your family

purchases the Bulldogs from Michael and Lauer. What goes through your mind? What's happening in the family, your dad, your brother, Spence, like everybody, like what happens in the, in the Hyman family when finally you caught the fish and got it in the boat. Yeah. You alluded to it. It was a long journey. I mean, 20 odd years, Spence and I were, were kids, uh, following my dad around

to junior hockey rings or minor hockey rinks and, and cheering on guys, uh, who played for him and, uh, who were, who were, who were, whoence and I were kids, following my dad around to junior hockey rings or minor hockey rings and cheering on guys who played for him. And my family was always around the OHL. That was always the next logical step for us. And it just never happened for whatever reason. And obviously things picked up again this past year and we were able to make things work here in Brantford. And big thanks to Michael Anlar for allowing us to continue his legacy here and everything he's built here. But it was just the right fit.

And a month ago, pretty surreal. Today, I would say for me personally, is the most surreal because it's the first day that I'm actually in Brantford. so actually seeing all the guys, seeing the coaching staff, seeing everything that that is here, meeting all the business staff in person and just and just being here it's it's a pretty special feeling and and like I said it's probably gonna be the break that I remember most out of all the breaks that I take.

I'm going to give you a chance now, Zach, to feel very much like your business card reads, which is president and governor. You ready? Zach Gaiman, the floor is yours. Complain about the stick budget. Go. You know what? It's tough for me to complain about the stick budget because I use a new stick every game. So if I start complaining, then the oilers are going to see that and then they're going to look at me like, hey, you use a new stick every game. Okay? Well, yeah, you got my hands tied. Is it going to feel different when you see one of your players on the Bulldogs handing

a stick to a kid? It's easy when you're a player like, oh yeah, look at me, I had a stick so this is great. Oh sure, I'll autograph that. What's it gonna be like with the new business card? Oh my gosh, you know what, it's full circle. I remember in college at Michigan, you couldn't get a new stick until you broke it and guys would be over the bench breaking it and trying to hide from the equipment manager because if he saw it then you'd get a fine.

So it's oh yeah it's like it's so funny it's full circle but definitely interesting and different to be on the other side of it. You know you mentioned Michigan. I've long believed that Red Berenson should be in the hockey hall of fame. Full stop. What did Red Berenson, I know we're detouring from the OHL, but you mentioned Michigan's. I want to ask you about Red. I talked to players that went through Michigan, ex-Wolverines, and they rave, and rightfully so. He's got the great bio, he's influenced a lot of people,

including yourself. What did Red Berenson mean to Zach Hyman? Probably one of the most influential people of my life, to be honest. I completely agree with you. You should be in the hockey hall of fame full stop. The amount of people that he's impacted, not just in the game of hockey, but kids that go to Michigan and that he has had an impact on in their life. His constant, I would say, just his presence in any room that you would walk into, you just feel this presence. He valued education and school over everything. You weren't playing on his teams if you weren't going to school and you weren't being a student first. I think as a student athlete, that's paramount. And he was just such a great person. I got to know him a little bit more on the personal side

when I stopped playing for him. And that was a cool experience because there's quite an age gap between, I was one of the last classes that he coached. So there was quite an age gap there, but just a tremendous person. And like you said, anybody you talk to that's played for him or that knows him

just has the utmost respect for him. Whether you liked him as a coach or you didn't, it didn't matter. He's a guy that everybody respects and, and, uh, just an amazing person. How many times did he tell you the story about the six goals with St. Louis? Did you hear that story from red and a crossbar too, I think. So it could have been seven. Yeah.

You know, he, uh, definitely a lot of stories, um, what old time hockey too, I think. So it could have been seven. Yeah. You know, he, definitely a lot of stories. What old time hockey too and how to be tough. And I remember him telling one of Al Arbor and like blocking shots without shim pads and how we have to get, we did a shot blocking drill, I remember, because we weren't blocking shots when I was in school, when I was at Michigan.

And like, we would literally like get, practice getting in the lane and have defensemen shoot. Uh, I think we use like softer bucks to get, but he, uh, he's just a phenomenal person and I mean, just a legendary figure. So whenever anybody asks me about Zach Hyman, like you'll say, like, what's the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear the name Zach Hyman? The first thing I always think of about you is in a previous life, you must have been the best person in the world because in this life right now, you've come back and played with Austin Matthews and

Connor Mcgavid. I don't know Zach Hyman, what you did in a previous life, but in this life, when you talk about, you know, being able to, to play with the elites, like you did what you did in a previous life? But in this life when you talk about you know being able to play with the elites like you did something really good in a previous Life to justify playing with Matthews and McDavid does that ever sort of creep into your mind you say to yourself You know I was just playing with like you know you know you 16 red wings like five minutes ago And now I'm playing with Matthews and McDavid is that ever clear for your mind Don't forget about Leon and Mitch and Willie of course minutes ago and now I'm playing with Matthews and McDavid. Is that ever a creep for your mind?

Don't forget about Leon and Mitch and Willie. Of course. Larkin and Michigan. And Larkin and Michigan. Yeah, I mean, I think I'm very fortunate. Obviously, I think being in the NHL, there are a lot of things that have to go your way and you need opportunity to go your way and you need opportunity to go your

way and you also need to be able to seize the opportunity and to understand how to play with great players and what they're looking for because when you're playing with the best players in the world, they're pretty demanding. They have a high standard and it takes the whole line to be successful. I mean, when you get to the NHL level, it's not just one guy that can go through a whole team, albeit sometimes he can do it. You need a full line and you need everybody pulling together. And I'm fortunate that coaches have always found that I played well with those players. Is there one Matthew's goal and is there one McDavid goal

that stands out above the rest to you? That either you are on the ice for or you are a spectator for on the bench? Well, there's a number. Well, Connor, most recently, there's the New York one. I think that I raised this. I wasn't on the ice for that one. But one that I was on the ice for would have been Game 6 against Dallas on the fire play.

I swear the first one kind of the toe drag backhand shelf, I think it was. And that was pretty, I was literally standing in front just watching it because I'm in that front of the fire play and seeing him do that and at that that was that was pretty cool with Austin this might be a weird one but there's one against early in his career against Carey Price when he stepped over the blue line and he shot it and I really thought it was just like a softball but really the way that he dragged the puck from like all the way outside his body and he changed the angle he shot it and it kind of froze Carey Price from not far out.

That one was always one that stuck with me. And then also his four goal performance is first the first ever game we play together. His first ever game. I'll never forget that one. Like scored four goals in four different ways. And like most guys don't score four goals in their entire career and he scored in this first game and They're sitting there like well, this is a pretty crazy moment So they both score in so many different ways and they're

unicorn players obviously You know that's interesting you mentioned that four-goal game the the Ottawa Senators game You know, I think it was is a Brian Gianta who put on Twitter. Hey Connor or hey often welcome to our beer league Like what do you say to I know is a loss but still like what do you say to Matthews after that game where he's Snapping it in and make it hockey look easy Yeah, that was like I think my 17th NHL game so I couldn't really say much because I didn't have This is like this is this normal like this is pretty wild I think if I would have been where I am now my current 18-year-old kid would have

come in and scored four in his first game out like that's pretty hard to do I I've never scored four in a game you know and I've played X amount of games so far so pretty pretty special starts his career obviously you know I'm played in X amount of games so far. So pretty special start to his career, obviously. You know, I'm curious in your mind, like this is gonna be tough because you're asking yourself to evaluate yourself, I know can be challenging, but I'm just curious like how you think you've evolved as a player since you joined the NHL.

And I wanna sort of frame it like this. I remember having a conversation with Jordan Eberly a few years ago and I brought up that goal that he scored in his first game against the Calgary Flames, where he's like dangling everybody and going through defensemen and pulls a great move and scores and everyone's like, Holy smokes, this kid playing with the Regina Pats is going to light the NHL on fire.

And you know, this was a few years ago and I asked him about that and he said, yeah, you know what? If that happened today, I'd probably just step over the blue line and shoot far pad for the rebound. That's the difference between when you're a kid and then when you've got a few years in the NHL, how do you think you've changed as a player since you started? Yeah, it's a great question.

I think you're always evolving as a player. Your role is always changing or every year is different. Like I think for me, when I first got into the league, it was about how can I stay in the league? How can I be an NHL player? Unless you're a top, top prospect, you don't necessarily have the longest leash. You have to show that you matter in a game

and that you can make a difference. So for me early on in my career, it was I'm not going to turn the puck over. I'm going to go get the puck back as much as I can for the players that I'm playing with. I played with Austin and Willie primarily for my first year and I'd go to the net. I'm going to be the most simple hockey player that you can be and just win battles and get the puck back because there's only one puck and if you're playing with those skilled guys, get it to them, go to the net, get it to them to them go to the net and I probably didn't make many plays and

I'm sure fans are frustrated that I wasn't scoring as much but that was my role it was it was great on the PK a penalty kill and I go and be a puck retriever and I think as you establish yourself in the league I got a contract for four years you can start to grow your game so I had a foundation of what I was really good at and then from there you can develop patience and you can start to grow your game. So I had a foundation of what I was really good at. And then from there, you can develop patience and you can start to grow your game. And maybe now instead of standing in front of the net,

I was a little bit off to the side or opening up and getting open. And then you build confidence and every year develop more as a goal scorer. And then when I made the move to Edmonton, I got more of an opportunity to be in that role, be on the power play, and really just try to be an offensive difference maker. And then all of a sudden I was playing on the power play and not on the penalty kill. So it's a pretty crazy change from when I first started to being able to score 50 goals. I don't think

anybody watching me year one would have ever thought that player would be other than the first game of Power Play scoring 50 goals with Connor McDavid, right? But that's why it's a journey as a hockey player. It's not like you go from year one to year two. It's a long journey and every year try to get better. See, but that, see,

because part of you is this incredible story, right? You didn't have, like you didn't have the, like some players have the elevator to the top and a lot of other players take the stairs. Like you took the stairs, right? Like, you know, here you are as one of the owner of the Bulldogs in the OHL,

you're never drafted into the OHL. Like, the OHL's got like a million rounds and you didn't get drafted into the OHL. And you went and you played at Michigan and by the end of your fourth year, you were one of the top players on that team. And that was a really good team too with a lot of future NHLers.

And you just kept climbing the ladder and working and working and working. And you get to set yourself to a position where you score 50 goals and you've played with some of the elite players in the NHL. When you talk to kids and now you're going to talk to more, right? Now you're going to talk to kids, you know, that, that want to play in the OHL. They're going to talk to you more than they ever have before. You've always been accommodating with kids. What's your message to them?

Because if they just look at your career, like your career is an example of perseverance and don't quit and work hard. Like this is what we tell our kids from day one, like you're it. You're the guy that we talk about when we talk to our kids about here's some adversity, you can choose to pass, you can quit or you can continue. Both are painful. You always chose to continue. What's your message to kids? Yeah, well first of I appreciate that that means a lot. It's It's a journey. I really I think the message is is one when I whenever I struggle like I'd say the biggest struggle I've ever had was when I went from junior eight to college and I Leaving junior. I was a top prospect. I want I'd won

the junior player of the year and I went to college and I thought I was gonna go into college and I junior I was a top prospect. I had won the junior player of the year and I went to college and I thought I was going to go into college and I thought I was going to be lighted up and be an NHL prospect right away and I struggled. I scored two goals in 40 games. I had nine points my first year and then I had nine points my second year and I remember sitting in Red's office. We'll talk about Red Berenson again and And he said no Zach you just have to keep working And if you're not scoring you have to know learn how to do something else to be effective for our lineup And I remember that just stuck with me being like okay

I remember going into college, and I just thought I was gonna score goals But how can I help the team win in other ways and I learned how to penalty kill or another block shots And my dad always said to me listen like it's a marathon how can I help the team win in other ways? And I learned how to penalty kill, learned how to block shots. And my dad always said to me, listen, it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. It's a journey. You're on a journey. And the two things that you can control

is your work ethic and your attitude. So you can't control where the coach is gonna put you every day. You can't control where you are in the lineup. All you can control is how hard you work and what your mindset is. And are you gonna be a good teammate every day or are you going to go in there and solve and be a sore?

And those two things really stuck with me because those are things that I could control every day. And those are things that have allowed me to get better every day because nobody wants to be around somebody who's upset all the time or is talking about themselves. Everybody has their own problems. If you come in to the rink with a positive attitude and you go in the gym and you work as hard as you can, you stay on the ice and you work, you're gonna get better. And unfortunately not everybody does that and you're gonna

start to catch guys and you're gonna start to pass guys. And if that's your attitude then the sky's the limit and it may not work out. Like my dad said to me, you may not be an NHL player, you don't know, but give yourself the best opportunity to do so and work as hard as you can so that at the end of your journey you know that you gave everything you possibly could and you can you can be satisfied and happy. And that was the best advice I got and I worked as hard as I could and I had a positive attitude and it worked out for me. Every level I developed I got better and of course you need some luck on the way and I had a positive attitude and it worked out for me. Every level I developed, I got better.

And of course you need some luck on the way. I had some great coaches who believed in me and gave me the opportunity, but I was able to maximize it and make the most of it. Acast powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend. My sister Sheila drove from Edmonton to Vancouver with seven bankers boxes. My grandfather's papers. This was what my mother wanted. Your mother was an enemy of the Empire. It's crazy. It is a mystery and you're the detective.

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Um, driveline put out this great video of this, um, baseball pitcher, I think it was drafted like eighth or ninth overall by Colorado. This is like 15 years ago, maybe 10 years ago. And, uh, worked hard, work hard, had injuries, never really made it to play a few games. But the point that he, that he always tried to stress was hard work doesn't guarantee you anything except one thing.

Hard work guarantees you the answer to one question. And that is how good am I? And for everybody, that's different. Like everyone has like a max that they're going to get to. And all hard work will give you is an honest answer to that question. How good am I? I'm guessing that you feel, because from the outside looking in, we've looked at you in your career and said, this guy has given himself the best possible chance every single time to answer that question through hard work.

Does that resonate with you, that hard work doesn't give you anything other than an answer to the question, how good am I? Exactly, and at the end of the day, if you're not good enough, at least you've given yourself every opportunity. At least you know. At least you know, and you have no regrets.

And you said, I have laid, I have done everything I possibly can to do this. And it just didn't work out. Because the reality is a very, very, a fraction of the people who are playing hockey are playing the NHL. And that's the reality. That's the reality of pro sports.

It's a cutthroat business. But as a person, you can take so much out of sports, not just being a professional athlete. You can take so many things from this sport into your life and in other areas of your life. And so many guys I went to school with have done that and are successful in other areas. But I think that's great advice. And I look at the best players in the world, like we talk about Connor and Austin and Leon and Mitch and Willie and those guys have God given talent, of course, and Leon and Mitch and Willie and those guys have God-given talent, of course, but they work. Like you don't see the amount of work they put in. Like they work.

Like there's no secret to it other than they put in the work and they can, you know, that's why they're the best. It's, and you've seen a million of these guys. We all have. The guys that, you know, growing up were more talented than everybody else. And you looked at when they were 14 years old and you said, not only is this guy going to the NHL, he's going to the hall of fame. Like this guy's going to be in star blah, blah. And it just doesn't work out because along the

way the game gets hard and the game, you know, this, the game will always give you a reason to quit. Hockey will always give you a reason to quit. And that's whether you, whether you take it or not. Okay. Let me, let me, let me, let me share a story with you. And I do have a point to this, I swear. So about 15 years ago, I was playing men's league hockey and I got a slap shot in the face right here. And it busted me for 30. And to this day, I can't really smile properly because a little bit of nerve damage. And after that, I put on a cage and I'm like, what am I doing?

Now the person that took that slap shot was Sean Cullen, the comedian. His slap shot is nowhere close to as hard as Evan Bouchard's slap shot. Tell us if we can take you back to a tricky moment in time here, Zach. Uh, and Evan, I know this to rain and tipped it but an Evan Bouchard slap shot in the face a can't tickle Take us back to to that unfortunate moment Yeah, not to get too graphic, but as soon as it hit me I knew something was up I thought I lost my nose be honest hit me hit me here and I know's move over here be honest, it hit me here and my nose moved over here. So as soon as it hit me, I instantly put my hands up. I didn't want my mom or my wife to see my face like that. So I skated

off the ice and surprisingly, I think I was just in shock. So the moment didn't hurt that much. It was just pressure and I skated off, went right to ran right to the the medical room the doc saw me and fortunately we have an amazing doctor he reset my nose he said it was probably the worst one he's seen he's done 30 or 35 of them so he reset it and then as I was holding I could just hear all the they said put pressure to stop the bleeding, I could just hear all the they said put pressure to stop the bleeding. And you can just hear all the bones just kind of cracking, which isn't fun. But yeah. And then we stuffed the I'm sure there's pictures

you can see we stuffed the yeah, the ads up to stop the bleeding, finish the game. And then after the game, I wouldn't it wasn't stopping to bleed because because it shattered, it cut all the sinus paths up there. So I had to go see the ENT the next day and get it cauterized. It's all good now, I look great, huh? Yeah, well it's funny because Colby Armstrong, who I used to work with all the time and still talk to all the time, I used to always make the joke that, you know, because his nose has been smashed so many different times

and you could see it whenever he's on television. I always tell him that he's there. He was the only guy in the NHL who could smoke a cigarette in the shower because of what happened to his nose. But yeah, it was like, what's it like breathing? Wink, when you, because I'm watching that game and I'm like, how's Hyman breathing? I know you get the bubble on, but I'm like, what's it like breathing? When you go, cause I'm watching that game and I'm like, how's Hyman breathing?

I know you get the bubble on, but I'm like, how's he breathing after that? Yeah, that was tough. Like the, when it happened, you're kind of just in shock. So that game, you, if you can just, you just, I just grinded it out. It was breathing through my mouth and just had to deal with the blood. The bleeding was the hardest part. Um, the breathing. I would say The next couple games after that the breathing was really tough because that's when you get swollen

like once everything kind of settles in and and That's when all the like I have deviated septums obviously from from the break But but then the swelling kind of shuts those down So I wore those breathe right strips a couple for a couple weeks weeks which kind of helped but only time like time the time helped now now it's better and my nose is broken before so I was used to having trouble breathing so it's actually probably more straight now than it was before so do you do you think that the NHL will ever get to a point where cages, bubbles become mandatory. I have the same opinion, but then I said that about, like I'm old enough to have been one of those guys that said that about helmets and said that about visors. No way it'll never be mandatory in the NHL and here we are. Yeah. Man, I mean, they'd have to start with that. We're talking about Brantford,

they have had to start it down at the CHL level and then a grandfather in. But yeah, I would imagine probably, like just the way we're going, the game's getting faster, everything's getting harder. I would imagine probably like just the way we're going. The game's getting faster every buck harder. Well, I would never rule it out, I would say probably. I mean, I don't think anybody playing now is ever going to change. I wore the bubble for for a little bit and it is restrictive in the sense

if you're not like if you're when you're looking down, it's hard to track things. But if you I wore it in college and I never I would never had an issue. Right. So it's only when you're looking down, it's hard to track things. But if you, I wore it in college and I never, I would never have an issue, right? So it's only one you switch. So yeah, I would, I don't know. It's a tough question. Let me ask you about tip and pucks. Let me ask one hockey question and one more OHL question. Let me ask you about tip and pucks.

Growing up, I'm sure the fencemen were always told, fire it along the ice and people in front will tip it. And now somewhere along the way, it's the hip tip, right? The shot from the point, this is why we're seeing more shots go high and guys catching the face because the fencemen are setting it like hip height because you savages in front of the net,

you and the Pavelski Simmons, like we all know Anders Lee, like all the great tippers, you guys all want the puck like around the hip so you can tip it down, you guys all want the puck like around the hips. You can tip it down, you can tip it up. The art of tipping pucks according to Zach Hyman. Walk us through your strategy of tipping pucks and where you want the fenceman to put it. Because I keep hearing that players in front want the puck around the hips now.

Yeah, I mean it's definitely easier to deflect it from the hips because your your stick is around your hips. So don't think that much. And then you can either you can go down or up. It's harder to read, especially if you're going down and hits the ice. It's tougher for the goal you pick up. But I said the first thing is just getting your stick free. Like nowadays, all the defensemen are trying to tie your stick up in front, right?

That's what they're taught is you have the stick up or tie the stick up somehow So you gotta have good body position You got to get your stick free and then try to find a lane to see it right because there's there if you can't see it It's pretty hard to tip So it's all about establishing body position on the defensemen and and getting your stick free Okay, last question and we'll let you get on with you your busy day with the Bulldogs here first day on the jobman and getting your stick. Okay. Last question. And we'll let you get on with your busy day with the Bulldogs here. First day on the job, president and governor. Um, OHL draft.

Do you have, like, I think of like Gary Roberts, son Sam who plays at JRC. Like this is his draft year. Like would Gary Roberts call Zach Hyman and say like, you know what? It's a draft year for young Sam here. Look good. And look good with the Bulldogs. Like, did you start, have you started getting calls from friends who have kids in their draft gear, ex NHLers like Gary Roberts, who has kids in their draft year. Is that a thing yet for you, Zach?

I know Gary really well. I trained with Gary in the summer and I know Sammy, and obviously he's a great kid and great player. And actually Noah, Noah played for the Bulldogs. and If any parent wants to talk about the draft, call Spence and he'll let me know when he can handle it. So we'll defer to Spence on that. That's awesome. Listen, thanks for being generous with your time. I really appreciate it. Congratulations to you and the rest of the Hyman family. Looks great on you and best of luck with the Bulldogs.

And like, look, after the Four Nations here, where you should be on the team, it's the sprint to the trade deadline and sprint to the playoffs so best of luck with the Oilers the rest of the way. Thanks, I appreciate it. I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day to day Guess you can call it a rut I went to the dark man, he tried to give me a little medicine I'm like, nah man, that's fine I'm not against those methods, but no

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