The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Panic Time ft. Jordan Martinook & Chris Pronger

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

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made easy. The Toronto Maple Leafs are going to win this series and none of it matters. Yes I do believe the Toronto Maple Leafs are still going to win this series against the Ottawa Senators despite getting another scare and none of it matters. Because we all know what's going to happen next round. and none of it matters. Because we all know what's going to happen next round. So none of it really matters. There was one opportunity for the Toronto Maple Leafs, this year's edition of the Toronto Maple Leafs, to show that they were different.

You know, all season long, people like me behind microphones, oh, the Maple Leafs look different. There's a new attitude with Craig Berube here and a new look blue line. Looks all, everything's all different. Yeah, this is a different team. This is a different style of team.

This is more old school. This is a playoff style of team. Look, it's hard to beat any team four games in a row. That's why I wasn't surprised to see the Ottawa Senators send this one back to Toronto yesterday. Much in the same vein, that's why I have a hard time believing the Maple Leafs don't win this series because I don't know that Ottawa can beat Toronto four times in a row. But the point that I want to make here off the top, and I'm going to drag Zach into this for a couple of seconds too in a moment.

The moment for the Toronto Maple Leafs to show that this season was different has come and gone. The moment for the Maple Leafs to show that this season was different was yesterday. A couple of days off, there at home, controlled conditions, everything is familiar, coach gets last change, pick who you're playing against, all of it. Everything lined up to make it easy, remove all the excuses, remove all the distractions, and give this team a chance to show that this season they are different. And they fell in their face. It was a short-handed goal, with a straight leg back check, that ended it. By Dylan Cousins, of the Ottawa Senators.

Then the empty netters, then the boos, then the anxiety, then the headlines, as we do this show, Senz and Seven is trending on X. I summon Zach. By the way, Chris Pronger is going to be joining us in a couple of moments. Now there's a winner. Jordan Martenuck is going to be dropping by as well. Carolina dispatches the New Jersey Devils

and double overtime yesterday in a game where I didn't think that Jacob Marksham was ever going to surrender a goal. More on that in a couple of moments. So remember we talked about yesterday, Zach, about this idea that the Florida Panthers are playing like this, and Aaron Ackblad gets a two game suspension

in the fine yesterday for Nikol Mikola. The Florida Panthers are doing this because they can. Now, one of the things I was thinking about today is if you go back and look at teams, and I'm gonna talk to Pronger about this coming up, Chris Jones is at the bottom of the hour. When you're putting together a championship style team in the NHL, we always look at sort of like the necessary ingredients.

And one of the things that I kind of always look at here, and Pronger was very much this guy, you go around the room, and hang onngar was very much this guy. You go around the room, and hang on, let me just call the Leafs line up here. Maybe you should do the same, Zach. You go around the room, and you look around and you go player to player to player, and you ask yourself, would this guy do anything to win? would this guy do anything to win? And by anything I mean, do things during a game

that later on when you retire and are in civilized company, you're embarrassed to have done. And you feel like you should be apologizing for the rest of your life. But in this fantasy world called hockey, and I always maintain that hockey is the biggest fantasy sport going, in that there is a physical separation between the fans, i.e. the real world, and what goes on in the ice. Those are called the boards and the glass. There is reality and then there's this crazy world

that you play in. There's no out of bounds in hockey. Alright, baseball there's out of bounds, football there's out of bounds, basketball, there's no out of bounds in hockey. It is a different world. And so you ask yourself, people that are playing in this world

at the highest stakes go all the way around the room. How many players would do anything to win the Stanley Cup? You can go around that Florida Panthers room and you'll probably run out of fingers. You can go in that Tampa Bay Lightning room and run out of fingers. You can go around the Vegas School of the Knights room and run out of fingers. You can go around the Vegas School of the Knights room and run out of fingers. Have a look around the Toronto Maple East room. Now there's one moment, I know everybody focuses on the salaries and the big guys and the lack of production. To me, and this might just be symbolic, and I think that the lion's share of work

that Dubis did with Toronto was really good and really smart. There's one thing that I always took exception to. You know, the salaries were the salaries. Like, this was all predicated on the salary cap going higher and then COVID hits and everything stalled. The one team that got hammered more than any other team were the Toronto Maple Leafs,

but nonetheless, for a different day. The one team that got hammered more than any other team was the Toronto Maple Leafs, but nonetheless for a different day. The one, I think, mistake that I think Dubas made was trading Nazem Kadri for the suspensions because that was the guy you would look at and say, that guy will do anything to win the Stanley Cup. I know the suspensions were tough for the Maple Leafs but you know what good teams do? They bite down on the

mouth guard and say you know what that's fine because this guy's trying to do anything to win the Stanley Cup and instead he ended up getting traded to Colorado, where he won the Stanley Cup. It got suspended in Colorado as well, by the way. The message was, but we talk about this all the time. That's fine. Yeah. Just indicate that I will do anything. I'm saying it's fine. I'm just saying they got through it. I will do anything to win the Stanley Cup. We talk about investment suspensions,

investment penalties. Pronger's coming up at the bottom of the hour. How many suspensions does that guy take? He's considered one of the biggest winners of all time because that guy would do anything to win Stanley Cups. And that's what makes that like that last photograph of the year of the team and the beards and the black eyes and the scars and all that. Those guys would do anything to win the Stanley Cup. It was like when that guy went away, it was like, just get rid of a guy that will do anything. Like when you look around the room, how many guys do you look at and you say, yeah, that guy will do

anything to win the Stanley Cup. That guy will do it. That guy has done anything to win the Stanley Cup. The other thing that I always came out, I was talking to the What Chaos guys about this today. The thing about the big guys in Toronto is that they are in a lot of ways from a skill point of view more similar than different and if you're gonna win you have to have a lot of players that do a lot of different things. Like when you look at Marner and Nylander and Matthews these are all incredible hockey players. I'm not disparaging them at all but there's an overlap of skill there. They are more similar than they are different,

which is why is why that I hate the comparison of, Oh, it's apples and oranges. Apples and oranges aren't different. They're both round. They're both fruit. They're both juicy. They are more similar than different. Chalk and cheese is different. And when you look at the big guys in the front of Maple East, do you not say they are more similar than they are different? I'll surrender the floor to you. I've talked here for eight minutes straight. No, I a hundred percent agree. Like a hundred percent with everything you just said there.

That's a conversation that I've been having for probably about four years now about this team when they lose every year in the playoffs. This is the exact same conversation that I had last night on Leafs Nation after dark. You know, you look at the way that some of these teams are built that have won or have success or go far. You know, Colorado, McKinnon, Landiscock, Ranton and McCarr, all different in different ways. Same thing that you can bounce around to

with Pittsburgh and Crosby and Malcolm, et cetera. Like I can name as many teams that we'd like but they're all built with those guys having different qualities. These guys are pretty much the same. The one thing that always stuck out to me there especially after watching the Amazon Prime doc last year was a comment Jacob Truba had made in the episode they did about captains and talked to him about captains. And he said, he was talking about Quinn Hughes and he wasn't saying it to knock him or anything. He was just bringing up the point when he was asked about Quinn Hughes and being the captain was that the one thing that'll be interesting to kind of see what he does and how he handles things

is like, are you willing to do the things you ask the other people on your team to do? You know, stick up for teammates, get in the battle, you know, drag guys in physically, emotionally, whatever. Even if you're just going to take Matthews aside, if you want to look at those guys as a core leadership group, I have had many, many times where I've asked myself, are they willing to do it? I don't know. I don't know that they are. And I think at this point here, nine years in, I'd be way more leaning towards no. They can't and they won't.

And they just won't answer that bell. Having said that, I still think they win the series. But it doesn't matter. Yep. Because the opportunity has come and the opportunity has gone. All right, coming up on the program today. We'll get back to Toronto Maple Leafs,

I'm sure, but so much more. Oh, by the way, compare Toronto last night to what Edmonton did in Los Angeles. You wanna talk about sending a message and dominate, oh, anyway, and dominating a team? Man, the Oilers were fantastic last night. Daily Outlines presented. July 1, 2026.

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It's a pretty big day and it's gonna be a pretty big night as well around the NHL. Jordan Martinuk of the Carolina Hurricanes, they beat the New Jersey Devils in five. Chris Pronger will stop back. I mean there's some people you don't have to read the resume. Everyone knows like Halle Famer, Stanley Cub, gold medals, like all of it. We'll talk about Aaron Echblad as well and the two-game suspension from yesterday and I'm sure over the course of the of the program today we're getting into that we'll get into the coaching situation

we should probably park some time and maybe talk about the the Jim Rutherford press conference yesterday and if we have time as well talk about Steve Iseman essentially telling his captain Dylan Larkin go kick rocks you didn't deserve a trade. Oh that is a really tough one. In the meantime, a couple of things from last night, and Jordan Martnock's gonna be dropping by here in a couple of moments from the Carolina Hurricanes. Zach, you let me know when he's all set up and ready to go.

Carolina eliminates New Jersey in double overtime. That was, as much as Jacob Markstrom early in the game kind of allowed the Carolina Hurricanes to get back into this one, he was incredible. That was the reason they went out and got Jacob Markstrom early in the game kind of allowed the Carolina Hurricanes to get back into this one. He was incredible. That was the reason they went out and got Jacob Markstrom. I got the sense that there was no way this guy was going to surrender a goal ever in overtime. And part of me thought that we would still be playing right now. New Jersey would have zero shots on net and the Carolina Hurricanes would have about a thousand and they would still be playing and Rod Brindemore would keep firing Svetlana Koff and Ajo and everybody over the boards. That was the kind of overtime

specifically. Jacob Markstrom was having, sticking with Carolina as well, Taylor Hall who's been fantastic for them and has found a real home there and they love him. Signs a three-year contract extension for nine and a half million dollars. 3.1 is the AAV on that one. That is a really nice deal for someone who, as I mentioned, has really found a home there and they really like him. And that's pretty obvious and he's played some great hockey for them. The Edmonton Oilers, there's no other way to put this. The Edmonton Oilers dominated the Los Angeles Kings. Now Darcy Kemper was magnifique. It was fantastic last night. Like last night's game, if you look at it and

you didn't know how many goals were scored and you just looked at gameplay how many goals were scored, and you just looked at gameplay, and you looked at like, SOG, you probably say to yourself, Zach, mm, that game probably finished up eight to one. Yeah, I know. That game finished three to one. That, Darcy Kemper was fantastic. That score was really kind to the Los Angeles Kings.

That's one of those ones where you go and apologize to your goaltender. That's one of those ones where you go and apologize to your goaltender. Like when you played minor hockey, did your coach ever make you apologize to your goaltender? Like I've had one of my kids, his team, like when they lay eggs, like it's like, you go apologize to your goalie.

Have you ever had a coach instruct you to go apologize to your goaltender for laying that egg? That ever happen to you? No, I don't think I ever got asked to apologize to a goalie. My kid has. One, I've had some experiences though where it was like very much like you need to thank him for this and this opportunity.

Yeah, no, it's apologize. Yeah, no, I've never, I don't think I've ever had the go apologize to him for what you've just done experience though. Yeah, well that was one where if you're Jim Hiller You say as every single player comes in you just point them to where Darcy camper is and he's now accepting apologies Like right over there. That's an eight to one game Yanmarque was good Kane was good. They will find the back of the net So it's like it's not like just like, oh Leon scored a hat trick and they won. That was the Edmonton Oilers saying

we came close to letting this thing get out of hand and we're not going to let this happen again. Just a quick note on that one too, Jeff. I look at the money puck every now and then. I just like seeing what the Deserve to Winometer says. Oh, what was it? I look at the money puck every now and then I just like seeing what the deserve to win a meter says like oh What was it? I don't use this as gospel or anything. Yeah 95.3 percent Fred That's just one of those ones you just you like look after you watch the game

You know that that was the case and then you look after it's like three one game, but you look after like oh my fuck three one game but you look after like oh my fuck what was what was the what was the predicted score on that one because again like to me it's like that's an eight to one game all day long I know if you have that up there all situations on money pucks six point four seven expected for Edmonton two point oh two for LA really a didn't it feel like more? I know you were busy at Greta yesterday, but that felt to me like it was, like that's an 8-1 game, 9-1, like who knows? That was the Edmonton Oilers sending a message. Okay, anyhow, the first team in the NHL to escape the first round of the playoffs, which

is always the most exciting, are the Carolina Hurricanes. And they did it in double overtime fashion, Sebastian Ajo with the goal to send the Carolina Hurricanes, and they did it in double overtime fashion. Sebastian Ajo with the goal to send the Carolina Hurricanes into the second round. They'll face off against the winners of the Washington Capitals and the Montreal Canadiens. That one might end tonight. This is a presentation of RV-EZ. Your motorhome or travel or trailer isn't just for getaways.

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Do you have a quick thought on what you saw from Jacob Marks, before we get to your team, your thought on what Jacob Marks, the performance of Markstrom last night and congratulations. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, he was he was phenomenal in overtime. It's that's one of those games where you're you're peppering them and you're getting all these unbelievable scoring chances and then it's you you've seen it so many times where like maybe you get a bad bounce and then they go down and score and it's just like those ones. Those are the ones that you're just hoping, hoping doesn't

happen. So luckily we closed that one out because it looked like he was starting to get into the zone that he might not get scored on. So I'm happy to finish that one off for sure. You know, your team was impressive. The gentleman sweep as they call it, the five game win by the Carolina Hurricanes. There's so many veteran players on this team and Rod Brindemore is Rod Brindemore. I'm guessing that single overtime, double overtime, some teams would get nervous, younger teams. I'm guessing the intermissions are all the same, like no problem, we got this, even when

you went down three Cobb? Yeah, well, you after the first period, Ajo kind of had a little, little snap, which that doesn't happen very often. So I think everybody, everybody knew that we needed to figure it out. And then obviously we came out in the second and kind of put it on them. So, and then in the overtime, I felt like we they were they were just hanging on because we were

coming. It was like it felt like every shift it was we were getting a pretty much a great a scoring chance. And you can just see there they were they weren't playing all their D and the D that they were playing they were they were gas. So we were just trying. We just kept saying, we just put in on them, put it in and on them, and then make them try and come 200 feet. And that was a good recipe for us.

You know, your team's one of the most fascinating teams in the NHL. Like it is a, and always has been, the analytics darling in the NHL. Yeah, you play a very sort of old school style game. Like you're number one in puck retrievals every year. Like that sort of flies in the face of what a lot of people in the analytics community says

is the way to do zone entries. But like, can you sort of explain the sort of the philosophy of what makes Carolina work? Almost this hybrid of old school meets new school? makes Carolina work almost this hybrid of old school meets new school? Yeah, I think there's there's not really a secret behind our game. It's you're going to you're going to have to outwork us if you're planning on beating us, because usually we're we're coming in waves. And it's it's not just our top line.

It's our second line, our third line, our fourth line. Everybody kind of tries to play the same way. And it's definitely when we get going, it's hard to play against because it feels like you're kind of getting smothered at times. And so like, obviously we played Brett Pesci, he was with us for so long. And obviously talking to him after the game

and he's just like, yeah, I understand when people used to say like, you guys, you're horrible to play against because he's like, I experienced it firsthand. So it's definitely, it's not easy to play this way and there's a lot demanded out of each player, but when it's going the right way, it's almost easier to play when we do our play our game. You know, I just watch it from, you know, my couch and I watch teams play against you and, you know, much like you just had the conversation with Brett Pesci, I say to myself, like, Carolina doesn't allow you many strides. Like, the way that you

guys defend and the way that you guys play, like it just must be suffocating to play against. You mentioned that it's hard. Like what is the most difficult thing about playing that style? Like it's, it is, I'm watching it. I'm like, I would hate to play a team like you guys. It's miserable. Yeah. It's just, obviously it's based off a work ethic and obviously our system is is trying to be above above guys and your your our for check is very super aggressive, so It's you got you put teams on their heels to make really good plays to Break the puck out against us or even in those when they're in the offensive zone They need to they're not coming in through one guy.

It's usually layers of guys that they kind of got through and yeah, it's hard work, but pays off when you can win a series and move on. You know, one of my favorite things to do, you know, we always hear, once upon a time, like, you know, 20 years ago, I was always like, finish your check, finish your check. Now it's good stick, good stick, good stick. Every time you're on the bench, good stick, good stick. And one of my favorite things to do watching your team play is watch other players try to put the puck under Jacob Slaven's stick. Like it doesn't happen, dude.

Like just, just, just, just, just stop. Like don't even, don't. Like don't even bother. Do you have a thought on Jacob Slaven? I'm just curious, like I'm always curious, like what impresses players? And when you watch him play, even just that little move of like Pakistan going under my stick guy,

like what goes through your mind when you see this guy? Yeah, it's obviously I've been with him for seven years now. And I think that obviously you see what he does in the games and it obviously, like a lot of the things kind of go on notice, but the plays he makes are, there's probably three or four game that you're, you kind of shake your head and just say like, how did he do that?

Like the goal he scored in game four where he whacks it out of the air and then one hands it by the guy and then goes in and he scored that. It's not a flukey goal because he did that against the Islanders last year in the playoffs. Like it's just things that he does that just amaze you. But I think in practice whenever you can maybe get one by him and you obviously try in practice because it's whenever you can get one by him you kind of rub it in into him a little bit

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I really like Pyotr Kachetkov, and I've always sort of said, tongue in cheek, if there's one goalie that's gonna finally give Jordan Bennington his fight, it's gonna be Kachetkov. I still remember that game where he's got the stick in Marshan's face in that Carolina Boston game a couple of years ago. Yeah, we don't know a ton about him. Like, what do you think we should know about Kachetkov? Yeah, he's an interesting guy. He's obviously a confident guy and he loves to kind of chirp back and forth with guys in practice

and around the room. When he first came over, he didn't know much English and obviously he had Svec and he had Orly and he would always like go and try and speak Russian to try and get his point across. And I used to give it to him. I'd say, no, English, English. I'd always be on him saying, no, you're speaking English. the Um, I just think he's a lot of fun to be around and he plays, he plays like he is in, in around the rink in the dressing room. He, he, uh, he's full of energy and kind of plays like on the edge of a seat. And it's, it's fun to, fun to play in front of them.

If I could take you back one, one final thing on Kachetkov, I remember when he first joined your team and you know, the equipment that he was using, like pads, his glove, his blocker like it wasn't like NHL you know licensed equipment. We had like black tape all over it to black out the names of the manufacturer. Like when you first saw Kachetkov like what did you look at him and kind of go like what are you wearing? What is all this stuff? No I don't I can't even remember it see I feel like he's been here forever, but I can't really remember I just remember in in practice he would or he would Get at you a little bit like if we ever made a big save he'd kind of come at ya

He'd be chirping chirping you on the ice and I can't really remember his gear, but he was always had that like fire to like beat you at, or have a big save and then definitely rub it in your face. I love it. Listen, Eric Tulski has been there for a long time as an assistant under Don Waddell. And now he's in the big chair. I am curious because it was, we saw your general manager take a big swing

this year and then afterwards bring in you know listen Taylor Hall has been fantastic for you, Logan Stankhoven is going to be a star in this league for a long time. Is there any sort of difference from a player's point of view between how this team operates now previously under Don Waddell and now under Eric Tulski like Like Tulski's not shy about a big swing. Yeah, my whole time here, I feel like we haven't shied away from making a splash. The summer I got traded here, they did the Dougie Hamilton and Furling trade, like that was a big one. Obviously we got against the deadline last year.

Like it's talked like we don't make these big swings, but obviously we took the swing at the against one was great. I felt like he was a good fit. It just didn't work out last summer, but Rance, you got to try and you're trying to make your team better at all times. And I think that was something that we tried to do and obviously just didn't work out. But then to be able to turn it around and I guess turn it into Stanks, who's been unbelievable for us. And then obviously Halsey along in that trade has been

great. And obviously him resigning, it just adds to the kind of the trade that he made. So yeah, to be able to go make a big swing and if it doesn't work and be able to turn it around and still benefit your team, I think is something you gotta tip your cap to. Okay, last one. And again, congratulations on making it to the second round again here. Washington and Montreal tonight,

A, will you be watching? And B, what will you be watching for? Like what interests you in this series? Yeah, I've I think out of the nights, obviously that we're playing, I haven't watched many games. Well, until we get home, I turn them on. But I think I've watched every playoff game that's been on the TV that I can to date. So yeah, I'll be tuned in. And yeah, I've watched a little bit, bits and pieces of this series. And we know, we kind of know both these teams. We played them a lot recently towards the last month

of the season. So yeah, obviously just we kind of, the team that's always waiting wants it to go longer. the the the the the the the

the the the the the you kind of know these teams and then obviously when you figure out which team you're gonna play you you you do a ton of pre-scouting and do all that stuff on them and then You got to play. Okay. I lied I do have one final instance in part up like this matchup Have you ever had a fight on the bench like you're not a shy guy like you're you're a rough player Have you ever like Tom Wilson and Josh Anderson? I know all the guys I'm sure had a good laugh.

Have you, has that ever been you? No, no, I've had a couple pretty good line brawls, one in the American league, one in the WHL, but never, never went into the bench. And yeah, that was, that was, that was chaos there. So yeah, it's obviously emotions run high and that stuff can happen. So that was a first for me to see.

That was wild. Listen, congratulations again. Thanks so much for stopping by today. Really appreciate it. Good luck either against Washington or Montreal, whoever it is. Thanks so much for this, Jordan. Thanks, Jeff.

There he is, Jordan Martinuk of the Carolina Hurricanes. They beat in double overtime yesterday, the New Jersey Devil Sebastian Ajo with the heroics there. And that is like, honestly, Carolina is a really hard team to play against. It is suffocating. Like you asked, like, I'm not surprised that conversation with Brett Pesci not surprised at all the comments that you guys are miserable miserable to play against like they do not let you skate at all like that is hard work like normally like this isn't to you know take away from anybody on the team but when you have a coach like Rod Brindamore,

and you just see like what your coach does in the gym every day, and how hard your coach is still working, it's almost like, you know, Crosby sets a work rate for the Pittsburgh Penguins that everybody is embarrassed not to at least try to approach or simulate. Same thing with the Carolina Hurricanes.

Like the premium there is on hard work. The premium there is, and that's not gonna work for everybody in the NHL. Like to Jordan's point a second ago, like the Carolina Hurricanes, as much as they don't have the reputation for being a team that takes huge swings, they really have. And it isn't just the Miko Ranntinen deal

that we saw this year or the Jake Gensel deal that we saw previous. But listen, before Jack Eichel went to Vegas, not exactly a secret, that Carolina was one of those teams that was very much in the mix. And that could have been the destination for Jack Eichel. There are two teams that are always, generally there are two teams that you can always bet

are in and around every big name that's out there. Well, obviously Vegas is one of them. The other are the Colorado Avalanche. I still remember when they offered Artemi Panarin that massive three year deal before he ended up going to the Rangers on the long-term deal. And he ended up going to the Rangers on the long-term deal. And he wanted to go to the Rangers and everyone knew, but I think that Colorado probably

gave him a little bit of cause for pause and a reason to at least have a thought about going to Denver. And the other one are the Carolina Hurricanes. So the reputation for, you know, being church mice when it comes to making big deal. That's unfounded really unfounded So the Carolina Hurricanes await to see who wins between the Washington Capitals and the Montreal Canadians now Our next guest you know there are some people you don't really need to Introduce and this segment is brought to you by JP Weiser's celebrating playoff hockey with Canadian whiskey That's wisely done get your limited edition JP We Weiser Stanley Cup bottle at your local retailer today. JP Weiser's expertly crafted and aged to perfection is known for its smooth,

refined taste and the premium whiskey experience it delivers for Canadians. Grab the new limited edition Stanley Cup bottle and enjoy the quality that matches the intensity of playoff hockey. When you think playoff hockey and you think intensity, well, not just playoff hockey in the NHL, you think of gold medals, when you think of Hockey Hall of Fame, when you think of a certain I will do anything to win

attitude and ethic that you need to win, Chris Pronger's name is always right up around the top. Chris Pronger joins me now on the sheet. Chris, how are you today? Thanks so much for doing this. Great, thanks for having me. The pleasure is all mine. You know, I was making the point earlier,

and there's a lot of things that I wanna get to here with you, but I was making the point earlier that hockey is that one game that really seems like it isn't part of real life. Like the boards separate what goes on in the real world and then there's this other world with its own rules called hockey. And there are some players that will do quote-unquote anything to win. And I find that the team that generally has the most players who will do anything to win

generally do. When you played, obviously you're one of those guys that would do anything to win. When you look around the league, who are those guys and who are the players that would do anything to win the cup? Well I think you saw what Florida Panthers last year, you know, you get kind of spearheading a lot of that with their team. But it becomes infectious. The more you're willing to do whatever that championship typically are the team that figures out a way to win close games. They come together, they bond, they have that real solidarity in the locker room, the belief that they can win any type of game, 2-1, 6-5, come from behind, protect the lead, whatever the case may be, they're willing to do it and they're able to do it.

And that's all born from the willingness to do whatever it takes to make sure you're successful and win hockey games. The Florida Panthers specifically. This is the team that I was making this point yesterday, Chris. I'm like, listen, Florida is doing this. Like Kichuck has taken runs at Gensel and Ekblad has taken runs at Hagel and Mikola has taken runs at Gergensen. And I'm saying like, they're doing this because they can.

Like no one is going to stop them. I think this isn't necessarily a bad thing. And in a lot of ways, and Eklat gets a two game suspension for the elbow. And I look at it and I say, for the Florida Panthers, they'll look at that and they're like, oh, I'm so disappointed in Aaron Eklat. For them, Chris, it's the cost of doing business.

Like, do you agree with that? Your Friday segment with Bertie, he can elaborate further on the cost of doing business. And you know, as he loves to say, when you're driving in the fast lane and you're speeding a lot, you're going to get some speeding tickets. And yeah, you know, I think for them, they want to play on the edge. They want to play that physical aggressive style. They want to really use their physicality to impose their will on their opposition and make sure they are getting their legs in

every chance they get and grinding on teams. And that to me really speaks to how much they want it. And it's really been since Matthew Kachuck got there, which is pretty impressive. You know, it is, it almost, it was almost like, when I look at Florida, it was almost if Matthew Kachuck was in some ways that final piece. Like if you look at Bill Zito,

his first move as general manager, like we're going to get Patrick Hornquist. Man, is he miserable. Like just, he's like, just a miserable piece of business to play against. And it was like, and it was just doubling down on that. And you've, listen, you played in the NHL, there are guys that get you there,

guys that get you through the old Mark Bergevin line. But let me ask you your thoughts on the Ekblad incident with Pagel and the suspension and how you saw that. And again, like I'm not casting dispersions on anyone. Again, I'm calling this the cost of doing business, but how did you see it? Well, I needed to see the angle that the NHL showed or player safety showed in their suspension video.

We don't have 15 different angles that they get. So you're looking at the front on video where you can clearly see the referee that but he cannot see that hit and he's certainly not gonna guess. It's an unfortunate situation. And then it's a matter of getting the angle that shows him getting all chinned. Frankly, it looks like he kind of gets his chest and you know neck and in the video you can see when a player gets hit and his head snaps back that means he has not had his head hit. But when it comes down, you're clearly getting the chin, and then it whips back. And so when you're in player safety, you see these, time and time again, they've seen hundreds or thousands of these hits

over the years. You have a unique understanding of when you see a hit, you look for certain ways that the body moves the gap and an Heclad is using his right arm against the right side of the ice near the glass, protected from all the players and all the action going on on his left. It's pretty hard to see. You're guessing at this point, oh, he must have hit him in the head.

And frankly, that's not what referees do. They don't guess. Yeah. They're encouraged to do quite the opposite. If you don't see it, don't call it. Okay, so the big one today, the Ottawa senators beat the Toronto Maple Leaf, shut them out. And every Maple Leaf fans from coast to coast to coast are losing their minds. Here we go again. I still think the Maple Leafs win this series, but I don't know that it matters because to me, like that was the moment where the Maple Leafs win this series, but I don't know that it matters.

Because to me, like that was the moment where the Maple Leafs had a chance to show that they were, that this was different. Like everything was set, all the excuses were removed. They were at home. They had rest. They have last chance. All of it. All the stars. Everything. Like you know about this. Like remove all excuses. Remove all excuses. And it was a line. Yeah. And they got blanked. And that's when I said to myself, I still think the Maple Leafs win this series. It's hard to beat any team four games in a row.

I just don't know that it matters. Did you look at it the same way or different? Yeah, I think there's a lot of question marks based on, you know, not scoring in that four minute power play and overtime and then coming back and putting up that type of effort at home to close out a series. that check time for them. They've, we're going to have to come out with a statement game in game six, because if this goes back, which are all for a game seven, I don't like the chances. There's so much going on. Uh, the fan base is immediate with the scar tissue from year after year after year. I just made, they might just vote. I don't, and the thing is, if history is any indication,

like why not? Right? Like this is the story of this team so far. Now, one of the things that I love about playoffs is that it reminds us that this is a tough game. That there is hockey in the regular season and then playoffs is all different. And there was one moment where it really became stark

to me this opening round. And that's the Tom Wilson hit on Alexander Carrier. Where it seemed as if, you know, listen, Montreal had that momentum of that game on the Friday and the brawl on the bench with Josh Anderson and Tom Wilson and all the Wilson memes afterwards and all that. And there was some momentum here from Montreal, right?

And then Wilson catches Alexandre Carrier in, like you know, like you just mentioned, like it is so hard to hit perfectly. It was a perfect hit. It was a perfect hit at high speed. And it changed everything. And we have to say, it's only a matter of time that he got somebody.

He did. You're just knowing, and knowing his resume and seeing some of the massive bits that he's laid over the years, you just have to think. For the most part, the Montreal Canadiens have a small back end. They have a lot of small forwards. At some point, he was going to catch one of them. And it just happened at the right moment for the Washington Cavaliers that he did.

Unfortunately for our exterior and the Montreal and the Montreal Canadians, and they lose so much momentum from that. And just the, the attention to winning the game changes, the focus changes after that hit and the Washington Capitals get life and the Montreal Canadians kind of the focus shifts elsewhere and they're not all, the focus shifts elsewhere and they're not really dialed in to scoring goals and playing their game, they start devolving into that physical game that just not in their DNA.

Okay, I'm glad you framed it like that because this has always been my belief about the automatic fight after a big hit. I think a big part of it is to stop the momentum. Guy hits another guy, huge hit right away, they're gonna gather momentum right away. I gotta stop that right now. I'm getting in there to end this.

I don't want them to build on anything. Do you think that's part of the automatic fight after the big hit? Or am I, Chris, he can be honest, or am I just reaching for something that's not there? Yeah, I don't think so because in the playoffs, they're not fighting. In the regular season, I just think now it's evolved into

you have to fight after a big hit. And it used to be, again, we're gonna go back into the eras, used to be in wire, it was like, your teammate told you to get your head up. Yep. Or, hey, don't give me a soccer pass, get your head up. and and and about this hit. I know, but the about it changed the momentum of the game and how it's changed the course of the series so far. I mean, we'll see what happens, but you never know. The interesting thing about it too is I just don't think that Carrier was prepared for it because how many guys play like that anymore? Like Chris, when you played, like how many Tom Wilsons did you have on every single team that you like from Hartford, Anaheim, St. Louis, Ed? Like how many Tom Wilsons did you have on every single team that you like from Hartford, Anaheim, St. Louis, Ed, like how many Tom Wilsons did you have? A ton

on every team. A lot. Well the one thing that I notice about players of today's era, they have no idea who's on the ice. Great point. They don't pay attention, they don't look at line changes. I would be looking down at the bench to see who's coming out, who's changing. You have to know who's out on the ice because you have to know how to play each player. You know what? Marty McSorley told me something really, when I used to work with Marty,

Marty said something really, and he said, one of the things you'll always notice about when Gretzky played, and you'll very rarely see a picture of Wayne Gretzky skating along the boards where the benches are. And I said, really? He goes, yeah, because Wayne wanted to be away

from the benches so he could see who was going off and who was coming on. And if he was beside the benches, he couldn't see it. And I'm like, that's like another level of like brilliance that I have, that I had never considered in my life. But hearing you talk about that, that makes total sense. The guys don't know who went there. I'll give you an example.

A teammate of mine in Philadelphia, I saw this renowned player for the other team skating around, running guys, whatever, caught him with his head down, like blatantly, and he got back to the bench and I'm like, did you not see him, number one? No, I didn't, okay, that's fine, it happens. I've been hit like that too. But did you not know he was on the ice? that What type of player he is, what hand he is, what are his strengths, what are his weaknesses. You have to be able to have all that stuff in the snap of your fingers so that you can

make a decision as to how you're going to play that shift. You know, are you going to dump and chase? Are you going to try to carry it in? What side of the ice are you going to go down? All those different things. It's not only what the team gives you, it's who you want to challenge. How much homework did you do before a series? How much homework would you do before a series?

This is really interesting to me. Yeah, it would depend on, it would depend on the team. You know, clearly, you know, let's say I'm in the Western Conference, we play everybody. You have a good book on everybody. If you're, you know, for instance, in Anaheim, we played Ottawa one time. So we go to play them in the Stanley Cup Finals. You know the players and you've seen the highlights and you've seen everything but you really gotta do a deep dive and look

for their tendencies. He always goes to his back and he likes going to his floor and he always goes down the right side and when he's down the right side, he wants to cut to the middle or he likes to stop up, spin around. You look for little tendencies and and ways that you can disrupt that, create a little pause, little hesitation in their game and forcing them into areas or habits that they don't like, where they don't like to be

or what they don't like to do. And then from there, you can kind of get them out of their rhythm and get them off their game a little bit. Okay, a couple of questions and I'll let you get on with your day. I had someone hit me up on X asking, saying, you gotta ask Chris Pronger about Alfredson 2007, shooting the puck at Scott Niedermeyer.

Now Mayday is a good buddy. We go back so many years, he was like, Mayday said, I was hot. I got in the room, I was pissed. And Scott said, everybody calm down. We have them right where we want him. What was going through Chris Pronger's mind? Well unfortunately that's the game I was suspended.

Oh I know, but like what do you think, but aren't you thinking like, like that's it? You're looking at a goal, I mean it was very blatant. He took a slap shot at him. But again, and and and he knows that we have their number and you know and then from there we went on to win and ultimately pose a deal in game five but uh you know i think when you have people like that that have been through it that have an understanding of when that a play of that caliber is being made um you you have them right where you where you want them you know they're off their game they're trying to get you off your game if you just stay composed and understand what's going on and play chess, not checkers, you're gonna win. Okay, I wanna ask you a final question.

I loved your video on your Twitter X feed about creating alter egos. First of all, you're always a go-to, you're always a go-to interview after games. Like it's like, oh, the pronger is great, pronger, pronger, give me pronger, give me pronger. And you've really turned yourself into a great public speaker too,

which are two totally different skill sets. And the one video, the most recent one that you have on your Twitter feed is about creating alter egos. One, can you expand on that? And two, consciously or not, was that something you did when you played? Yeah, I know early on my you know people always look at okay I want to stack up a

couple gold medals you know MVP all that you think you know people always forget the early days worked as a successful and I needed to find something you know I was the and and the fifth that you show up to play each and every night the same way. And for me, you know, when I was tired, when I was out of percent, when I was injured, what have you, people are paying money to come watch you play. And I needed to show up and play to the level I knew I could. You know, and early on I had that potential word wrapped around my name and could he live up to it? And you know, he's, he's got potential, but is he ever gonna figure it out? And ultimately finding ways like creating alter egos as it relates to at the rank and then going out

in public early on and understanding kind of getting through kind of building yourself up to be able to be in public. And I would, I would go lean against the wall and get to the back of the room and, you know, talk to a couple of people and just get out of the way. to allowed me to talk to the media and do all these things. It didn't come naturally. If I showed you my first interview when I got to Peterborough, you would probably laugh.

It looks like an outtake at a comedy club. I still, I'll even, I'll go you on, but I remember watching you at the William Allman in Stratford when you played with the Culliton. So even before Peterborough, I'm like, who is that? And I go, this kid is, this kid is huge. Like where's, where does it end? But you're right.

Like you were like, no, no offense. Like we all were, I was in the same way when I was young too. I'd never imagined I would be doing this for a living. Really shy. Really? And nervous, especially around older people. And when you join the NHL, you're coming in as an 18, 19 year old and you're surrounded by, you know, guys that are in their twenties.

I totally get it. I totally get it. I was in the room. Well, my first roommate was Brad McCrimmon. He was 36. Oh, beast. The best. Did he ever tell you stories about playing like the full 60 minutes in

Brandon with the weak kings? Cause he like, he wouldn't come off the ice. I got to hear off the ice. I got to hear all the old school stories. Just the brawls and the... Oh man, that was awesome. He was the best. You know there's a reason that when Nicklas from went to Detroit they put him with Brad McCrimmon. There's an absolute reason there. Listen I

encourage everyone to follow you on Twitter. Some really great... first of all love watching and reading your comments on all you on Twitter. Some really great, first of all, love watching and reading your comments on all the series. It's really great. And then all of your motivational speaking as well is just fantastic. Chris, thanks for spending more time with me than you bargained.

Thanks so much for stopping by. You're the best. Continue success. I'll tell Burke you said, hey. Yes, please do. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right.

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Listen, there are some people that have just done everything in hockey. Chris Pronger is one of them. And you know, one of the... I'll tell you, there's... God. You know, Berkey will tell you this story about how at his draft... Zach, you'll like this one.

At his draft, he was like... The Hartford Whalers were getting Chris Pronger. Chris Pronger was the guy that Berkey just adored, got to get Chris Pronger was the guy that Burkey just adored, gotta get Chris Pronger. Like he would like, he'll tell you the story about how he left a fake Hartford-Wailers draft list in the lobby of the hotel so other teams would pick it up and sort of throw them off the scent that, oh, maybe Hartford doesn't wanna get Chris Pronger.

Like all these kinds of little tricks. And the story goes, so San Jose was picking second overall. Ottawa was picking first and they took Alexander Day. San Jose was picking second overall Ottawa was picking first and they took Alexander Dague San Jose was picking second they ended up doing the deal with Burk and Hartford to flip picks Kozlov going the other way anyway so as He's being interviewed by the San Jose Sharks, and this is the lesson to anyone who says oh You need to draft for position. Oh, they already have enough centers, you don't draft a center. So he's in the interview with the San Jose Sharks.

And the San Jose Sharks say, do Chris Pronger, okay, who'll go on to be one of the best defensemen of his or any other era. And he's a defenseman that could have played in any era, which I still maintain is one of the best compliments you can pay a hockey player. You could play in any era, which I still maintain is one of the best compliments you can pay a hockey player. You could play in any era. The San Jose Sharks said, you know what? We already have enough big defensemen. We have Mike Rathje, we have Marcus Ragnarsson. What do we need another big defenseman for?

need another big defenseman for? I always say to myself, what the fuck are you thinking? I don't care that you have Mike Rathje, I don't care Marcus Ragnarsson, I don't care. You're saying this to Chris Pronger? Like I watched in the two years he played Peterborough. I remember the first time I watched him in Peterborough before I saw him the one time with the the Allman in Stratford they're playing the kitchen Rangers and He like completely dominated the game Completely like not even close. There was no one else on the ice that took it over like Chris Pronger did and I'm thinking to myself

How do you not want I remember seeing about Ottawa Mike house Ottawa not taking Chris Pronger did and I'm thinking to myself how do you not want I remember thinking about Ottawa Mike how's Ottawa not taking Chris Pronger first overall or even Paul career for that matter Jason Arnott who is in that draft as well playing Oshawa generals but honestly dude he was always the guy that you could not take your eyes off of and in the NHL think of all the games that you saw featuring Chris Pronger you ever take your eyes off Pronger? Never. No. Never.

And like, I mean, I'll be honest, at that point, what, he retired in 2011-12 was his last year? With the Flyers, yeah, after the eye injury. Injury, yeah. So like, I was probably 13 by the time he was kind of actually at the end of his career at that point, so it's not like I saw the most of Chris Pr So it's not like I saw him play with the Stratford Colts. No, no. But like still even then I just remember watching him like as a kid looking at this like guy like being like this guy is a mutant out there. I heard two stories I thought was hilarious about him talking about being the Savage and having the alter ego by the way. Two stories I heard recently, Yandel said one on spitting chiclets, he said when he

got to Florida, Pronger was like a player development guy, or working with the players I guess. And they were out on the ice and he brings Yans over in the defenseman and he's telling them how easy it is to box out. And he said Pronger basically just went to work on Yandel and Yandel was like, dude, fuck off, you're not even playing yandel was brought over because he was a veteran guy and pronger was like trying to teach the younger guys and the other one was jeff o'neill was saying he used to go watch his brother play against peter bro and watching pronger

he was this kid in juniors who was just a mutant who would beat the hell out of everybody and then just go up and down the ice and do anything he wanted with the putts. It was unbelievable. Yeah. Just, he just, honestly, like he, he earned, he earned his ice. Like he, he intimidated guys again, like I talk about investment suspensions, like just established a reputation. And he did. Like that's, like Pronger got, like there was a sphere of influence, we like to call it, around Chris Pronger.

Where like guys knew, like if you got within that circle of influence that Pronger had, wasn't gonna go great for you. At all. And he was. As we look, like think about that era of defensemen. Okay, I know we look at like you know the the era of goaltenders with like you know Marty Baudur and Patrick Waugh and Dominic Hasek and Eddie Belfour

like incredible era for sure. But same time Chris Pronger, Nick Lindstrom, Scott Niedermeyer. Like, and we still consider that like the era of the great centers too, and there were a lot of great centers. But like, that was an era of three of the best defensemen the game ever saw, all distinct. All completely, all completely different. And with Pronger, you knew you were gonna be successful.

And here was the thing too, whenever Chris Pronger would leave a team and go somewhere else, that team would fall apart. It happened every single place he went. He was so valuable to all those teams. And he's just flat out one of my favorite players of all time. So good. Yeah, and a good follow on Twitter now. He's just flat out one of my favorite players of all time. Yeah. So

good. Yeah and a good follow on Twitter now he just goes at people. He's excellent. He's so good. I'm just like Chris come on man go at me man. Tell me I'm full of it. What are you talking about man? Like you don't know a wristwatch or a wrist shot. Where did you play manry something anything good lord nothing um we got games tonight we got games tonight Zachary we got three games tonight have we i think we've beaten the maple leafs up enough today on today's show after that's um after that uh whatever that was last night that thing i don't i don't know if there's anything I don't know I actually don't know if there's enough that we could beat them up for how pathetic that was

But like I'm good to call it. We don't have to keep talking about it. I'm okay to move on I'm sure I'm sure like all the players to like part of me too is like I know the fans are upset How do they feel about being here? At this point? Okay, here we go. We got some games tonight, folks. We'll get on that side. Again, I still think they're gonna win the series. I really, really do.

I still think they're gonna win it. Matters not. Yeah, but the last game they win in this series, Jeff, is the last game they're gonna win in the playoffs this year. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. What was it that the morning Cup of Hockey guys were talking about Vic saying last night about how Matthew Nye should be the captain?

Yeah. He did not say that. Well, it wasn't necessarily that Matthew Nye should be the captain. He said that they picked the wrong captain. And as in they should never have taken it away from JT or they just should not have given it to Matthews. And then I made the joke to Vic on the show in real time last night.

I said, yeah, they picked the wrong guy from Arizona. And I think that that kind of like prompted. I was saying it like tongue in cheek, like jokingly. Just say it to get a reaction, I get it. I get it. I used to love it when John Shannon would do that on primeetime sports. Like John Shannon to me is one of the most unselfish broadcasters of all time

because I've seen John do this so many times. He'd be on with McCowan and he would take positions that I knew specifically he disagreed with because I'm like John I just talked to you about this like yesterday and now you say the exact opposite thing on with McCowan but he would do that because it would make a better segment. Like he would take things that he personally disagreed with, so the actual segment that people were listening to would be more enjoyable. I'll say I don't necessarily disagree with the nice should be captain. No it's not now. It's dumb. That's dumb. No that's... Not now, Jeff. You shouldn't be the captain No, it's not now. It's dumb. That's dumb. No, that's the way. Now, Jeff,

you shouldn't be the captain now. But he, that guy embodies what you would be in NHL captain. I don't think that's he's better. He's, he's starting to show it. Like, come on. He's been around for five years. Oh, he's showing it. I'm showing it. This is the problem with your team. It's a little bit he finally pisses a drop and everyone's like he's gotta be the captain this year I don't know where Maple Leafs fans get this reputation I don't know where Maple Leafs fans get this reputation it's fine we're just gonna build around Nye's and McDavid I won god god, he was good. He's so good last night

I know was a Yan marks night. Yeah mark was awesome, but man David that whole team again I can't say enough about how Edmonton played yesterday. That was the it's over. We're not letting you back in this series We're done enough of this man, the Kings had a chance to enough of this man the Kings had a chance to the shitty thing too is it's gonna we're all gonna come back and say if only byfield chips that puck out yep or if Jim Hiller doesn't call that no but you know what I get it the I know the goalie interference challenge I get it I understand that but the thing is they came back the next game and

LA was right back to dominating Edmonton so I was like, okay, cuz I thought the same thing the whole series is gonna hinge on that botched call by Hiller and If Edmonton would have like started off the next game and completely run over the Kings I would have said like yeah, I think you got a point but they started they started to run over the Oilers and Then always are chipping back and then you have that unfortunate byfield play. God, tough one. You want a good tweet, by the way.

This is from pizza man to know. I had a laugh at this. I just wanted to read it for you. Jim Hiller is playing checkers while Chris Knobla is also playing checkers. Jim Hiller also doesn't know how to play checkers. I don't think Jim Hiller's forgot how to coach and Jim Hiller is a really good coach. I don't think so either. But I laughed. The tough thing about it too is like that feeling like when you're playing a team like the Oilers and you have like a team that can score its way

out of problems, when you start to feel that it's slipping away and you feel like, damn it, we had the chance, we had them and it was gonna be different this time. Sucks, eh? Yeah, I wouldn't, never knew that feeling. I don't know what you could be talking about Wow, that would be quite a guy. You want to hop in the Batmobile and go to Ottawa tonight you and me I'll swing by pick you up

Full of drive down the 401 just you and me. No, I don't want to go anywhere Curled up in the corner in fetal position near that. He's curled up in the corner in fetal position. Alright, we got games tonight, ladies and gentlemen, this Wednesday, April the 30th. The Sheet powered by FanDuel. Our friends and partners and presenters, home of the seven game parlay, make every moment more on FanDuel. FanDuel, proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. We've got three of them. We've got the Montreal Canadiens and the Washington Capitals. Game five caps lead

this series three to one. Jacob Dobish starts tonight for the Montreal Canadiens. Patrick Lyonet out. Alexander Carrier, the victim of some violence from Tom Wilson, is a game time decision. Logan Thompson gets to start for the caps. Alexi Protis, by the way, game time decision there. Like, you want wanna make things more difficult for the Montreal Canadiens.

Hey Zach, you know where I'm at on this one? This is one of those things where I always talk about sports exists between what your head knows and your heart feels, like in that middle place between your head and your heart is sports. My head says Washington, my heart really wants another game in Montreal though. Yeah, that's how I feel about this one.

I get it, yeah, yeah. Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning, game five, Catslea three to one, can't think of any story lines to make things interesting here. No, and you and Wish talking about Cooper, now all of a sudden everyone's talking about Cooper today, Utah, they've announced a team, they've announced Sneaky announced a team name, they changed their YouTube name

to The Mammoth. Could the Lightning be out? Kuturov hasn't scored in 14 playoff games by the way. No storylines around these guys right now. They don't like each other and Florida's just running their show and doing whatever they want and kicking sand in their face and taking their per diem. All right no Echblad no Hagel drop the puck. It's honestly I still think if there's any team that's coming back down three to one in the Eastern Conference, it's Tampa.

But Florida's going to go prove me wrong tonight. I know it. St. Louis and Winnipeg Game 5 series all tied at 2's. Jordan Bennington starts for the St. Louis Blues, but all of our eyes are on every single shot at Connor Hallebuck, who's been yanked two games in a row. And what are some of the things that we're watching for? We're looking for long shots and we're looking for plays in tight like the Robert Thomas goal that we saw on Sunday

Because as Carter Hutton talked to us about a couple of days ago here on the program Hellebuck locks in And when guys cut in front of you like we saw with Robert Thomas, you just can't move so watch for the Winnipeg Jets defense to try to keep St. Louis Blues forwards from cutting in front of Hallibag if indeed he's still locked on his inside edges. But you know what it's gonna be like.

It's gonna be an interesting building. Winnipeg fans are always loud. Winnipeg fans always like really get into it. Winnipeg fans are gonna be crazy tonight, but there's gonna be an undercurrent of every time the puck goes towards Hellebuck. It's gonna be one of those types of nights. Gonna be one of those types of nights for Winnipeg Jets fans. Yeah, the thing for me with Hellebuck that I keep thinking about is like he

can't change how he plays and unfortunately that means the Jets have to change how they play in front of him. And I don't know that they're going to be able to do that in the playoff environment. Maybe a series, maybe a couple games, I don't think it's sustainable long term. But you know what I mean, right? Like he he can't play that style of game that we keep talking about. So then it's the jets who have to adapt to make sure that it's comfortable for him, which is just a banana statement even put together right there. But yeah, I don't think that that's

sustainable. And I'm worried. I feel like the Blues here, like you talked about it, like congratulations, you won the president's trophy. Here's the St. Louis Blues. Here's the St. louis blues st. louis blues NHL what the hell Jim montgomery but I watch it

Robert thomas yeah jordan bennington yeah who's looking right down at Connor Hellebuck and saying again yes again

um jordan bennington is gonna be like in the net in warm up. He's not even going to be taking shots. He's just going to be staring at the at Halibuck down at the other end of the ice. I told you, you know, the enforcers who stand across the red line, it's going to be Bennington tonight standing at center staring at Halibuck this way. I would love it. Oh man, I told you about the late Craig Mellon and how he would do warm up.

Like you want to talk about getting locked in, he would get locked in and then just move his arms back and forth on a couple of shots. So that would be that St. Louis Blues, that minor, if he just did that and then stared down the ice at Connor Hallebuckuck that would that would be that would be it for me yeah listen fascinating games tonight two series could end one could be really interesting and I'll tell you what if Hellebuck gets the hook here for three games in a row how do you not go to Eric Comrie and who would have said that and who would have said that it And who would have said that? It's up to Eric Comrie to save the season. Future broadcaster who's going to take all of our jobs when he finally decides to retire. Eric Comrie. But we'll see like honestly, God the hockey's been so good. The stories have been so good. I can't wait for tonight. It's gonna be again like like last night and tomorrow. The hockey's been awesome and

enjoy it tonight. Thanks for our guests tonight. Thanks to Jordan Martinuk of the Carolina Hurricanes. Congratulations to the Canes. First to make it out of the opening round. Thanks to the Carolina Hurricanes for making them available on an off day too. So Carolina always goes above and beyond.

Some really good people in that organization and we appreciate it here at the Sheet. And thanks to Chris Pronger for regaling us with wonderful stories and sharing his thoughts on the Aaron Ekblad situation and suspension the other night and like Pronger is one of those guys that has a great perspective on everything and it was always nice to hear him tip his hat to Berkey. Berkey always had a soft spot and like I mentioned for Chris Pronger. Berkey always liked, and it wasn't so much,

I don't think that Pronger was grumpy, although Berkey will probably tell you that he was, but as you heard him, when he would get to the ring, that was it, mentally, locked in, focused, I've gotta be the savage, and that's what you saw on the ice. Again, I encourage you to follow him on Twitter Because not just for the hockey analysis, which is always good and entertaining

But also for his motivational speaking and he puts up a lot of clips there, too. He's really become a really interesting person to study and to follow and to listen to Because the second act in his life is really getting interesting. So I encourage you very much to follow our friend Chris Pronger on social media. And with that, my broadcast day is over.

Three games tonight. Enjoy all of them. We're back tomorrow as are the guys from the morning cup of hockey. Nine o'clock Eastern on our daily face-off YouTube channel, DFO Live at noon, our show at three. Got it. Thanks to everybody in the chat. Thanks to everyone watching on YouTube

or on your favorite podcast platform. We'll be back tomorrow. It'll be a very nervous day for Zach. He might be edgy. Leaves fans will be a little bit nervous tomorrow. Sen's fans are just having fucking fun. It's great. Talk to you tomorrow. I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day to day

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