The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Pay Day ft. Greg Wyshynski

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Greg Wyshynski and Jeff Marek reunite for another edition of MvsW on The Sheet. Discussing the Kyle Palmieri goaltender interference, Abby Roque's 'Michigan', Sheldon Keef and Kovacevic's interaction, Jakob Chychrun's extension in Washington, and much moreShout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

So I did a journalism today. Actually, I probably did. I will get Greg Wyshynski's thoughts on this. I probably did what was not necessarily a journalism, but was an anti-journalism. Because I started with the belief and then went around trying to prove my belief correct. That's not journalism, right, Zach? That's like the opposite of journalism. I started with my conclusion and then tried to find facts that fit the exclusion of everything else.

Is that journalism or is that not journalism? Because that's what I did this afternoon for an hour. You're talking to the wrong guy. I went, I went like back roads to every path. Yeah. Where I am right now. Same, same very accidental. Correct.

I'm like you. Yeah. Yeah. I went into that. I skated backwards into this thing. We'll ask a real journalist here in a couple of moments. Greg Wyshynski from ESPN. Welcome to the program once again.

I don't know that anything is going to top last week when Greg Wyshinski referred to Gordie Drillen as the ultimate Canadian dentist. I honestly do, I'm still laughing about that one. I don't know how Wysh is going to top that. Like hologram Bill Masterton was one thing back in the day. Well I died. Oh you had a concussion for two years? I died.

I don't know anything that's going to top Gordie Drillen as the ultimate Canadian dentist, but we'll find out in a couple of moments. We have a lot to go over today. One of the things that I want to go over, like the anti-journalism journalism that I did today was watching that Islanders-Columbus game last night. So I got home from the OHL Cup at the Scotiabank Pond. We'll get into that in a couple of moments with Wish, because then I was a big U16 triple A fan. But I caught the end of that Islanders Columbus game

and I watched enough for Kyle Palmeri to give Elvis Merzlikens the bump and then the drama that ensued. And listen, I'm firmly of the belief that when it comes to the situation room where all the decisions are made on video review, that there needs to be a goaltender when they're for just such occurrences. I still maintain that the one call that has been most consistent this season has been

goalie interference. Once you understand the principles of it, goalie interference is kind of easier now than ever to call. Simple rules like in the the blue, it's on you, you're in the white, you're alright. Things like that. Simple things you can remind yourself. Little sort of sing-alongs that'll help you understand whether this is gonna be a goal or, as we like to say, a good goal or a bad goal. I.e., either a goal or not a goal. But this one had a lot of gray area attached

to it. And it's my belief that if you have, like if it's your goal to have more goals, if it's your goal to have more goals, if it's your goal in the NHL to have more goals, do it by putting a goaltender in the situation. Here's why. Old goaltenders hate new goaltenders. Old goaltenders, if you catch them when there's not a microphone around or a camera on, they will tell you goalies now are soft, goalies now are pampered, goalies don't battle through anything, that's a goal, they can fight through that, quit being a wimp, that's a goal. I'm convinced that if you let goaltenders determine it, you will get more goals. And if it was a goaltender, an ex-NHL goaltender, judging that video review yesterday, the Kyle

Palmeri bump, Elvis Merslaken's, that that would be called a goal. So I called goalies today, all the ex goalies that I knew and the answer was unanimous. One, they all think goalies now are soft. Don't you dare say that on the show. Get that, get those words out of your mouth, young man. How dare you? You spit when you say that. I want you to spit right now after you say that. It was, yeah, there you go.

No, the overwhelming response was, yeah, he's fine. That should be a goal. If I'm a goalie calling that. But I know there's a lot of gray area attached to it. And we're gonna get to that issue with Craig Wyshinski here coming up in a couple of moments but coming up on the program today daily outlines presented by our friends and partners at FanDuel, North America's number one sportsbook app provider. Daily outlines powered by FanDuel make every moment more with North America's number one sportsbook and here's what's coming up on the program today and I swear we're

not going to spend the whole day going over goalie interference, but there's gonna be some of it. So park it and get used to it and get ready because it's coming up. As you mentioned, it's Tuesday. That means MVSW, America First Wyszynski with Greg Wyszynski from espn.com.

Again, the challenge is out there. Beat his line last week, Gordie Drillen, the best name for a Canadian dentist. We'll talk about the New Jersey Devils today because we didn't talk about it yesterday because we plum ran out of time. Kovacavich versus Keith is on the menu today on our FanDuel Daily Outlines. We'll get to the New Jersey Devils with Greg. We'll also talk about Jacob Chickren and his brand new contract and who that sets the bar for and if you're gonna pick a perfect time as a defender to score 18 goals, it is in your contract year and that's where Jacob

Chickwin finds himself and as I mentioned we'll talk about goaltender interference man Kyle Paul Mary really was not happy by the end of yesterday's game nor the Allenders nor were their fans nor were ex-NHL goaltender and Allenders head coach Patrick Waugh and the Michigan. We'll talk about the Michigan. We'll talk about Abbey Rock who's actually from Michigan who I believe and someone will tell me if I'm wrong in pro hockey is the first player from Michigan to score to the Michigan.

How about that? More or less. What's more or less? Is this a wish thing? Well, we might talk about more or we might talk about less. That was your number six? We might talk about more or we might talk about less. That is our promise to you. Our promise to you is we'll either keep our promise or we won't. How about that? Yeah. That's our promise to you. Okay, let's bring a board. Speaking of, we'll keep our promises or not, that's our promise to you. Okay, let's bring a board. We'll keep our promises or not. That's our promise to you. Here's one and only. Greg Wyszynski on the sheet every Tuesday here at MVSW time from ESPN. I don't know if you can do it

because you set the bar high with Gordy Drillin. But you have something ready in your hip pocket later on the program because I put like I think like the Crescendo, the Zenith, the top of the mountain for MVSW as far as lines go was, well, I died. Nothing I still don't think is going to defeat that one, but nonetheless, Gordy drilling came close. So the, the challenge is out there for you today, Greshinsky, Greg Greshinsky. But as we welcome you to the program, first of all, thank you for stopping by once again. What do you think of my theory? If you had goalies making these calls on goalie interference, we'd have more goals

because old goaltenders hate new goaltenders. They won't say it publicly, but as I called around five or six of them this afternoon, they all said the same thing. Yeah. Goalies now are pampered. Goalies are too soft. If I was making that call, that's a goal. Yeah, it's a real back in my day thing.

I actually think that there's a comparison to what you're saying, which is when you watch the NFL and you listen to guys like Troy Aikman, for example, talk about roughing the passer penalties in 2025. There is certainly that, Like there is certainly that, you know, they used to hit us over the head with a spiked club when we didn't get a call. You know, back in our day. You know, you know what one, one goaltender mentioned to me today is, he said one of the, one of the funniest things that he sees and he always, when European goaltenders come to North America playing the NHL, the American hockey league, in Europe when a puck hits a goalie in the head, the whistle is blown and the play stops.

And what the goalies will do is they'll put their hand up in the air like, hey, I just got rung. Like I just got one off the coconut here, like let's make with the whistle. And he said one of the funniest things is watching European goaltenders come to North America get hit in the head, put their hand up and everyone go like, what, you have a question? What, the play is still going on, you want to go to the bathroom? Like, what do you need here? Like, we're playing hockey. You know, listen, I think there's no question

that old school goalies see the way that today's goaltenders benefit from goalie interference calls, and are like, where was that when I was getting trucked? By guys significantly larger than the ones that play today because now you actually have to skate to play. I had a never problem with last night's call. I gotta be honest with you. Last night's call was very interesting

because it spoke to what happens a lot during controversial plays with regards to social media. And by that I mean everybody thinks they're an editor or there's selective editing being done. How many times did I see that goal last night from the Islanders where the initial contact of Palmeire skating through the crease and interfering with Merzlikin's glove, how many times would I see a video where that was cut off?

That somehow didn't make the cut, and then you just see Merzlikin's kind of reacting to it and the puck flying by him. I think whether you go by the amount of of reacting to it and the puck flying by him. I think whether you go by the amount of time between the contact and the goal being scored, or is the crease supposed to belong to the goalie, he clearly makes contact with him. And I spoke to Dave Jackson, our rules guy,

who I think you've had on the show before. He's great, Dave's great. And he is great. And if you see here, look, he's, he's going through the blue. He's not allowing the goalie to play his position. And if you see the time elapsed between this moment and the puck flying by him, he doesn't have time to reset. It is textbook goalie interference. I know people look at it and look at the subtleties and say, well, that's not really egregious or he had a chance to make the save,

goal interference, stay out of the blue, pretty easy. Pretty easy call to make, even though it's one that certainly didn't impact the Islanders' playoff chances. I keep saying, it's like the simple little sing along, if you're in the blue, that's on you. Like, I always think about it, like I was told a couple of years ago to think about this in terms of liability. And when you go anywhere, and when you go into the crease, whether it's a skate in the crease,

whether it's your butt interfering with the goal, when you go into the crease, think about in terms of liability, your liability goes sky high. That whatever happens, you are responsible, no ifs, ands, or buts. Do not collect 200, go directly to jail, like that's what happens. Skating in the white, that's all right, blue's on you, like that's, and it has been one of the more consistent calls. I think one of the issues in all of this too is the call on the ice was no goal.

And so the call on the ice is one goal, so you have to, in the video review, it has to be demonstrative that there has been a whore. Like it can't be, if there's any kind of gray area, the call on the ice will always stand. And there was enough there to say, I'm not sure. Well, maybe if you squint, maybe I can see that it's a goal. So you have to defer to the call on the ice. well, maybe if you squint, maybe I can see that it's a goal.

So you have to defer to the call on the ice. But the thing that does interest me is the conversation. Again, I think goalie interference has been called very consistently. I know when it's your bowl that gets scored, fans get their backs up. I get it, I understand it. But to me, the interesting question is, it's moments like this where

you do see the different generations. You get the, oh, oh well back in my day we fought through this and you know one of the points that I was was making with people today is like, oh, you know what, he had time to reset let the goalie get bumped a little bit more if we were and this is why I like the call. I like the call because if you want to go Nick Suzuki pixel I like the call because if you wanna go Nick Suzuki, pixel, pixel on the offside,

if that's how we're gonna do it with the offside, then we're gonna do it with goalie interference. Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He went into the blue. So liability goes sky high. Sorry, no goal. If that's what we're gonna do it around blue lines, that's what we're gonna do it in the crease.

Well, it's also people say he has time to reset because everybody's watching it in slow motion. Slow motion. Of course, he's got time to reset. It's two seconds in real time. It's 20 seconds. No, it's not two seconds. As you watch the replay on Twitter. Like, there's a difference. Let me ask you this question though because I realized this is the correct venue for this thought that I've had. I mean, we've all thought about Ovechkin breaking the record

and we've all thought about how that record could be broken. And we've talked, we might've talked about it briefly, but I know that it's been out in the world. What would happen if OV scores the record breaking goal on a play where there's goal interference or an offside review. And I'm like, great. Yeah. Awesome. I know people have a problem with this and people are just like, Oh God, you know, what is will the NHL ever take away this? First of all,

they won't. And that might be the detriment of a Vechkin because, you know, we might look back at that replay one day and be like, yeah, that shouldn't have counted, but I'm sure he'll score a few more after that. But can you imagine the inherent drama of an entire arena buzzing with the anticipation of seeing history made and these two zebras are looking at an iPad to see whether or not somebody's glove was moved a millimeter to the right because of a bump in front of the crease by Tom Wilson. I want to see— All of that is great to me. I don't know why people don't want that at all.

I want that too because, like, you want the—like, I always wanted, like, big moments like that to be indicative of the era that it is in. Okay? Like, and that's why, like, we're in the era of video review. And we're all getting used to it. So I want that. But then that's why it has to be at home. I want to see that official, put the headphone down and the helmet on and fade back and get in front of the camera and clear his throat as the place is going nuts and say, no goal.

nuts and say no goal. And then immediately his security detail surrounds him. He's loaded into a bulletproof van. It's like the old popemobile with the glass. You take over. I'm here for the only interference for Ovi. I'm here for offside review for Ovi. Anything that's gonna delay the inevitable. The only person that'd be pissed off about it is the play-by-play guy, let's be honest with you. I mean, like, somebody's probably got something real cooked up for Ovi in that moment and they can't, they have to be,

Wait, there appears to be a meeting by the boards between the officials. But, and then it'll be when the record finally does get broken, there'll be the inevitable snarkiness that comes along with it. Are they going to review that too? Is that one go? Is that clean enough for you? And HL like there's going to be that that comes that will be attached to the goal forever. It took longer than expected, but Ovechkin has the record.

I'm obviously Ovi Spot is where we all want to see him score it. Yes. If you're talking about appropriate for the career, that'd probably be like the five star goal. Empty net, I know that the Capitals have discussed the idea that Ovechkin doesn't want to break the record with an empty netter. I implore him to do it. I mean, he's got, he's the all-time leader in empty netter, I implore him to do it. I mean, he's got he's the all-time leader in empty net goals, correct? I think that's the case. I believe he has the record. I think

he might. I double check that because I think he has a record for that. If not, it doesn't. Point being is that I've often engaged with the empty net debate with Ovechkin through his career. And by the way, as I've been doing a lot of Ovechkin stuff like for ESPN in the last couple weeks I've come to realize that I've been there since he hatched from an egg like I was covering the capitals in 2005 and It's kind of crazy to think back to those days of I remember the videos. I remember watching the video that Your days just like it's just crazy. It's thinking about how long I've been on the El Vech can beat. He's earned the right to be out there during empty net situations.

That was always a thing that they pushed back on when people say he was getting cheapies was, that's a very important part of the moment of the game is you've got to defend your own goal and if we have somebody who can score an empty netter and end this thing, we're going to put them out there too as long as he's not a liability. And so scoring an empty netter to set the record to me is wholly appropriate. You know, I'll tell you, as much as it would be exciting, do you know the one thing I don't want to see him do? I don't want to see him score on a breakaway. Ovechkin was never a breakaway guy. He was always the shot. He was always going to be breaking down a defender. I understand the palpable drama of Ovi versus

Goalie with the record on the line. Maybe it's my Pavlovian response to how much I hate to shoot out that I don't want to see that situation be the record-breaking moment. But when you think about signature like, signature moments or signatures that mark Ovechkin's career, scoring in the breakaway is not necessarily one of them. Oh, no, I want to see him score it on his back. I want the Coyotes goal. Yes, exactly. Like, yeah, I know we all think about, okay, the signature one-timer and all that, but, like, I don't see what's the highlight that's gonna get played forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.

Yeah. Sorry. It's the Coyotes goal. By the way, Zach said, you're right. It's Veshkin at 65, Gretzky 56, Marion Hossa, the man who should have retired with how many Selkie trophies in his hip pockets. Marion Hossa, one of my favorite players of all time. See, this is what I always say.

There's two things people know about me. It's my incredible memory when it comes to math and stats and figures and Also my incredible memory when it comes to math and stats and figures both of those things Not your dick Tracy like good looks. No, that doesn't come up very much. Yeah, but my dick Tracy like good looks I look like one of the rogues gallery like you know, flat top. It's funny, I was driving home last night. Dick Tracy was an Oscar film, by the way.

Remember Dick Tracy back in like, 88, 89? I guess it was 89, it was after Batman. See, this is your, this is your Baileywick. Uh, I bet you can six goals away from tying. Yeah, yeah, there we go, that's right. 1480, 1489 1480 oh really games played i was i was on the um i want to just mention one thing about vetch can be uh you might have talked about it uh yesterday i don't know but i was on the zoom call with uh nick backstrom on friday

nice and i got a i got a little weepy. I gotta be honest with you, like not physically weepy, but weepy in my soul, the idea that Baxter can't be a part of this physically as Ovechkin goes to break the record. Now granted, his LTAR money has probably hastened Ovechkin's chance to break the record with the amount of business the Capitals were able to do with that cap space. That being said, I mean, you talk about like guys that were an influential and important reason why Ovechkin is going to break this record. These two guys wanted to retire together. Like they want the contracts to sync up like all of it. Like these guys, great commercials we think about too. Here's the one thing, as we go through everything Ovechkin

and everything around this goal, in your perfect world, maybe you just gave us the answer and it's Nick Backstrom. Who is the other one? The guy probably should have won the Salchie along the way. Oh yeah. Who do you want? Let me give you a list here.

Who would be the right person to pass him the puck? Backstrom, Carlson, or the forgotten Mike Green. Remember how much like every game wish there's that there's green again, there's green again, there's green again. It was so good for so long. In your ideal world, they're all healthy and they're all playing. And he's scoring from the OV spot. Who's given him the puck? Backstrom, Carlson or Green?

No, there's one answer. There's one answer. No, no, there's two. There's two. There's the answer to your question and then the real answer. The answer to your question is Backstrom. your question and then the real answer. The answer to your question is Backstrom. When I think about how sad Connor Bedard is right now with the Blackhawks, I

think specifically about how many friends Ovechkin had by his second or third season. Backstrom, Green, Semon, all those guys started to come on board for the Caps. That's when the Rock the Red era started, the Young Guns era. It was the most fun time, I think, of Ovechkin's career. And Backstrom then and then throughout Ovi's career is the guy. He's the center. He's the setup man. He's the oats to his hull. I mean, he's an incredible reason why Ovechkin is where he is now. Now, the Marvel multiverse answer to your question,

if I could pick anybody to send that puck to Ovechkin in the Ovi spot for the record breaking goal, it'd be Sidney Crosby. Let's be honest with you. It would be Sidney Crosby, the Capitals and Penguins doing business, Crosby and Ovechkin uniting at the end of their careers, their friends, the mega powers unite on the Capitals.

Rockie and Apollo, is that what this is? Rockie and Apollo create and Rockie Balboa? Yeah, and it gives Crosby a chance at the Cup, it gives the Capitals another elite player on a team that people claim doesn't have enough elite players to win the Cup. Crosby threading a pass to Ovechkin so we can break Gretzky's record. I mean, again, this is this is alternate history of alternate histories. Yeah, that would be the if you're asking me what I'd want to see. That's what I would want to see. All due respect to all the Penguins fans in the audience right now sharpening their machetes.

It's gonna think about what I just said. Here come the pitchforks for Greg Wyshinski. Remember, it's that side of the screen that's saying that. It's not this side of the screen. It's that side of the screen that's talking about this. If Denny Hulkin just spit out his borscht all over his computer screen, he's just like, what? Okay, let me go from Washington to Michigan. And I just throw this out as a conversation point and see where it goes. So Abbey Rock from the New York Sirens

scores the first Michigan in PWHL history. And Zach and I were talking about this today, like we haven't showed it, we gotta show it at the cool moment. I know cynically I always say like, okay, so it's a wraparound. So it's a high wraparound bravo. Like a lot of people can do this now.

Part of the shine is off the rows about it, but still, like it gets a significant advantage, the first one in the PWHL. Abbey Rock is actually from Michigan. And I don't know if, maybe not in all of pro hockey, like that's a great move. Look at that, that's awesome. Is she, certainly for the PWHL, obviously,

and I think for the NHL, is she actually the only person from Michigan to actually do the Michigan professionally? As far as I know she's only the third women's player that we know that has successfully executed to Michigan. Yeah. There was that young player from Slovakia. Yep. I think there was a player from Brown University and then there's Abbey Rock. I haven't done the research so I couldn't tell you definitively. No, I'm just seeing where the conversation goes.

But I do love one aspect of this. If you can run that highlight again, Zach, look at the goalie on the play. She knows what's happening and you can see the realization in real time but could not stop it. Look at her. Look at her. I'll glove up. I know where she's going with it. I know what's happening. But she couldn't, she couldn't do it. She couldn't figure it out. Yeah. I'm, you've seen the fake Michigan's now, right? Where you fake the wrap and leave the puck and the other player comes around and talks it in. Have you seen, you've seen, see that now to me is more impressive.

That, that's where I'm at. Or even maybe that's become a little bit too hipster. Here's how I feel about, about trick shots in hockey right now. I feel like one, uh, I, I love anybody on YouTube that's creating magic, um, with their stick and a puck. I think that stuff is addictive and I could probably just marinate it for a few hours. But I don't think that the NHL, the NHL's young generation of players has delivered on the promise of the Trevor Zegra assist.

When that happened. Oh, the Sonny Milano? Him and Sonny Milano. When he come on, when he, yeah. So when he ends a little an over of him and Sonny Milan when he caught when he yeah, yeah. So when he when he ends up on the cover of a video game for having basically done an assist. At that moment, I'm just like, oh my god, like all the guys that are Zegros age grew up on YouTube watching trick shots, understanding what could be done with a puck. They grew up in the era of the Michigan and I'm thinking to myself get

ready for it. The floodgates just opened. We're gonna see magic. Did you think it was gonna be like that? Did you think it was gonna be all the old trotters? I did because not only do you have like incredibly creative players like Zegras in the league, but that point you know was on an upward trajectory, no longer was on. But you had, the game was ready for it. The game was so fast and so open, it's so offensive. And you have all these young creative players playing it with almost like a street hockey vibe to it.

I'm just like, oh, here we go. Like we're gonna get a Zegras to Milano every few weeks. And I don't think that's happened. But the thing, but here- Maybe they've been shamed by the older generation to not be so fancy. I don't know, but I feel like the promise of the Zekris- I don't think it's that.

I think if players could do it, they would do it more often. I really do. Like you saw that, oh, in the St. Louis game, they bunted the puck in the air three times before Robert Thomas scored. Like, it was fantastic. Like, I don't expect the NHL to be like that,

mainly because there's not a lot of room out there. Like, now we're in the era where everybody can skate and like, there's like the gap. Yeah, we have a look at Chicago St. Louis, like, let's fire this around in the air. Let's just, like, we keep talking about, oh, Globetrotters, that's Globetrotters. Like, the puck's in the air, like, let's fire this around in the air. Let's just, like, we keep talking about, oh, Globetrotters, that's Globetrotters.

Like, the puck's in the air, and like, and they're bunting it around, and there's Robert Thomas scoring at the end. And look at those. Better put on a milk card, man, those teeth are white. Here's a little pushback on it, when you say there's not a lot of room out there. There's not.

There's a portion of some games, not every game, but some games, in which the National Hockey League removes four players from the ice. So you just have three on one side, three on the other side. It is more real estate than you could possibly imagine for a competitive hockey game. And you have the chance to do whatever you'd like with the puck. And I feel like one of the underlying things about the three on three was to generate

kind of like video game-esque highlights. And we get great moments and the three on three, I'll take that a billion times over the shootout for the sheer spontaneity of it all. But as a highlight generator, I'm not quite sure if the three-on-three has delivered either. Listen, when three-on-three is bad, it's really bad. When three-on-three is great, like when three-on-three

is good, like it's awesome, there's nothing like it. Here's the one sort of trick shot that I thought we were going to see more of. And this is the tip of the hat, Robbie Shrimp. And Robbie Shrimp would do this every now and then. We think of the Michigan, scoop up the puck and it's high wrap. But Robbie Shrimp would pick up the puck sometimes like at the blue line, scoop it up and fire it at the net. So the shot's not coming from the ice. Goaltenders are used to seeing shots coming from the ice. This one starts up here and goes in straight. I thought by now, like that's the one area that I'll

concede in this argument, that's the one area that I thought, okay we're gonna see more of these. Everybody can pick up the puck. Everybody in the, everyone in hot, my kids do it, like everybody does it. Everyone can pick it up. I thought we would see more kids, younger players in the game, pick it up the puck and firing it shoulder height at goaltenders. That hasn't happened.

That's the one I'm waiting for. But maybe that's the trick is that like shoulder height gets you into that sort of danger zone of maybe it's too high, right? Maybe. I don't know, but did you think we would, but we've seen passes like, I've seen passes like mainly in junior high, we've seen passes like that,

but I'm waiting for shots on net like that. I think, I think, again, like we're in the era, we're in the era where like goalies are, we're trying to like, forwards are trying to anticipate where goalies are gonna go, where they are, where they're expecting shots from. Like, know I was having a conversation, I spent the afternoon talking to goaltenders about my goofy idea, put goalies in video review and all the goals are gonna count because they think the goalies are

too soft. But you know one goaltender I was talking to today, we're talking about the reverse VH on the post, and I said like look, like I hate to say this and I apologize to goaltending parents out there, but I always tell my kids like you're, you're beside the net and the goalie's down reverse VH. Shoot at his head. Like shoot, like shoot at his head. You will bounce it like, sorry, but like you're

going down underneath the crossbar like that. Fire it. Like that's where we're at now is reacting to what the goalie is gonna give you, what the goaltender is going to expect. And if the goalie is always expecting the puck to come from the ice, lift it up and throw it. I haven't seen goals thrown in yet.

Jack Hughes has done that. It's almost like a signature move for him. From the sidle to the net. Yeah, Hughes is probably better at it than than dry saddle, but dry saddle is the same thing. Hughes is great at it. Yeah. Yeah. I feel bad for him.

Now I have to relight my votive candle in the corner for Jack Hughes. Okay. Let me. Crush the coals of every devil's fan. Okay. It got us on the devil. So let me ask you this one. What did you make of during MVSW, Kovacevich versus Keith?

I was like, if I'm Kovacevich, I'm like, I didn't, what did I say that was so bad? I thought I was giving a really boring answer and now my coach is taking a run at me. That was really angsty. I mean, like I know why he's angsty. I mean, he's, he, he's, he's, his team has not played well since the beginning of January. He doesn't have Jack Hughes. He doesn't have Doug Hamilton. They're scratching and clawing and trying to, you know, to qualify for a playoff berth that they'll just make a

cameo appearance in, you know, get some playoff revenue and then see you, see you next year. Cause they don't have their best player. I mean, I think it was sort of like, everybody's got a family. Sometimes you yell at somebody just because they're there. You're having a terrible day and unfortunately someone is in the crosshairs because of it.

It kind of felt like I'm so angry and frustrated about how everything is going You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna use this guy as a point of emphasis I felt bad for Kovacewicz because he had a really good season. He's earned the extension But he even Seigenthaler together have been I know you know before the Seigenthaler injury I kind of saw it but like honestly Seigenthaler and Kovacevich this year make the argument best shut down period in the NHL. The Devils are very much like that college basketball team who loses their best player in the conference tournament.

And then they still have enough to qualify for March Madness, but they're like, we ain't winning March Madness with that our leading scorer. Like this is insane. We'll go and we'll be in the bracket and such, but we kind of know what our lot in life is. And there are some nights the Devils have played really well and there are some nights when you could see

the mental lapses. I think the amount of times they give up a goal right after scoring one is a good indication of where your heads are at as a team. You know, you hope that they leave the season with a sense of some optimism with Jack coming back next year, but the one part of it that is kind of a little bit disconcerting is Jacob Markstrom, goaltending savior has not manifested for them at all this season, to the point where I think that Jake Allen's been demonstrably the better goalie for them. Now, granted, again, it's like you're building a tandem, and so if one guy's down, you do have the other option,

which is something they haven't had in years past. But, you know, that's a big addition that was supposed to fix a problem, and it hasn't necessarily fixed the problem. But here's the thing about Jacob Markstrom, though. We've seen this before. Crude analogy, but it's like the toilet seat of the stag and doe. It's up and down. It's up and down. It's up and down. Like one season, Vezna. Next season, oh it's a tough one. Next season, Vezna! Next season, oh geez. Okay, like that's kind of been the story of Jacob Markstrom, no? Right, yeah. Yeah. I think the problem is right now it's all over the rim and someone on the floor. Extend the metaphor there a little bit for, uh, for Jake.

Someone stood back to see if they could set a new record and, uh, so I can try to spell my name. There's no snow here. Um, speaking of, speaking of, speaking of gold tennis, let me, let me lob this one out at you today. In the spirit of, God, have we always crushed the Buffalo Sabres? I feel so bad too.

Rochester Americans are playing great. I gotta remind everybody, Rochester's been great. One thing I wanna point out about the Buffalo Sabres- The unofficial name of this podcast, I believe, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cheer for them, and Noah Ausland, who's been fantastic, who on the weekend had a goal where he scored five on five, shorthanded and on the power play as well.

This guy's gonna be so good. He looks so awesome. Oh, here we go. Here, let's see, listen, here's our Rochester, our Rochester board for the day. On the 28th, they'll face off against the Bridgeport Allenders, they'll take on the Syracuse Crunch on the 29th, and then On the 28th, they'll face off against the Bridgeport Allenders. They'll take on the Syracuse Crunch on the 29th.

And then on the 30th, once again, against the Syracuse Crunch, the AHL affiliate, our free Tampa Bay Lightning. Fourth, the American Hockey League. Second in the north. They were two and one over the weekend. Last 10 games, 4-4, 0-2. And Noah Ostlund, four goals in three games, five points.

And this is someone who's gonna play in the NHL for a long time with some Buffalo Sabres realize they have what they have but here's the thing that I want to mention yeah in the sort of spirit of players escaping to greener pastures and as we all look now it's happening again with Dylan Cousins here's why I wonder about next and this obviously is for the off season. What a grim, horrible conversation for our friends in Buffalo is like,

which meaty part of the carcass can the vulture snatch next? Okay, go ahead. Here's what I don't hope. I hope the Buffalo Sabres don't look at this and say something like, I hope they don't, essentially, what I hope they don't, essentially what I hope they don't do is blame the goalie. But if they do, I wonder if someone could steal Ukupakalukkinen

from them in the summer. Yeah. He becomes the next Lena Salmark. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's what I'm, that's what I'm saying, Greg Wyshinski. That's what I'm saying. Could he be, could he be that guy? Could he beat... Yeah, and I just hope that Owen Power remembers to, you know, mention Yipial in his Vezna speech for another team one day. You know, I remember playing for this young, with this young man on the Sabres. I'm sorry, not Vezna, Norris. Norris, I put

the joke. Point being is that I think that's probably the guy. You're right. I mean, when you look at the roster now and there might be a few younger guys that have the upside that Dylan Cousins has, but that'd be the guy. Here's the reason I mentioned Lukanen. He's from a previous administration. He hasn't had the best of all possible seasons and at various times He's been very out of favor with this management group. We can recall how he couldn't even get into a game The king got off last season was like seven games in a row He was a third goalie the one that was out like I don't know just wondering about that

Today for no particular reason. This is why the world needs you. Because who is wondering anything about the Buffalo Sabres on March 25th? I grew up with the Sabres. I told you about this. Everybody is unique except for the Sabres, Predators, Blackhawks, and Sharks. And maybe the Kraken, I guess guess are currently in playoff contention And we're like who can who's the next who's the next? rancid piece of meat to fall off the buffet onto the floor that someone will pick up and make a delicious burger out of Yeah, looking at you peel watch okay happier times happier things

Watch. Okay. Happier times, happier things. What a great time to have the season that Jacob Chickren has had for the Washington capitals. Greg Wyshinski, $9 million AAV. Now you look at the free agent pool that's coming out this year and you look at the defensemen that are available, whether it is, well, Aaron Echblad would lead that charge. So I don't know necessarily right away that everyone's going to ring the bell. Like Neil Peonk's that charge. So I don't know necessarily right away that everyone's gonna ring the bell. Like Neil Peonk's coming out too. I don't know that Neil Peonk's walking in there and saying like, well, this is what Jacob Chickernan got. So damn it, this is what I'm gonna get.

But nonetheless, thoughts on the Chickernan deal here. I mean, clearly he's had a career with the Capitals. I don't wanna say he was a distressed asset, Clearly, he's had a career year with the Capitals. I don't wanna say he was a distressed asset, but he certainly wasn't this guy when they acquired him last summer for Jensen and a third. It is funny to think that at the moment, he makes as much against the Cap as Roman Yossi and Kale Macar.

That'll change really quickly in the near future. But it tells me two things. It tells me one, that the Capitals are comfortable with Chikrin fitting in the system they play and not being impacted by getting this kind of contract to the point where they believe that they've found the heir apparent to John Carlson, who turns 36 next year. And I think his last year was contract next year too. And then the other thing too is that, you know, when I saw the cap hit, I'm like, oh, that's right.

This is what people like Jacob Trickerton are going to make now, now that we know where the cap is going for the next three seasons. It's that moment of sticker shock that will occur whenever anybody signs a contract for the next calendar year, and then a moment of realization that this is gonna look really good within two years, provided that he's still the guy that he is this year for the duration of at least the next five years

of the contract. What I always enjoyed about Jacob Chickren and I watched him play, I want to get the OHL Cup here in a second, I watched him play like for the Junior Canadians when he was playing U16. He looked when he was 15 years old like he looks now. Like he's always looked like he's 27, 28 years old. It gets remarkable. Like he was mature like like well beyond well beyond his years. Remember watching him play for your favorite OHL team Sarnia and uh, just making him, I know you love this. You love this thing. Um,

and this guy looks like, but this way, I always used to make the joke that if Jacob Chikrin playing in the OHL were Russian or had a Russian last name, we wouldn't believe the birth certificate because he always looked like he was 30. Like, Chikrinov, Grigorenko, no chance. There's no way. We're not buying the birth certificate at all. No chance, no way.

Now, I'm sorry, I was looking for the link and I've of course naturally buried it on my computer. But did you talk about that Jacob Trickren is going to try to live a life where he doesn't have light bulbs in his house? Haven't mentioned it yet. I haven't seen that. So he was on an NHL podcast recently.

Here we go, okay, this is, this is, I'm sorry, Dylan Strohm was on the, on the... And he was just mentioning Chikrun's diet and lifestyle? He was on NHL Unscripted, which is the NHL podcast, and Strohm was on there, and he was talking about that, quote, he has a new thing every day. I heard yesterday that he's no light bulbs. He's doing candle lit in his house now. That's what his thing was yesterday. So he's onto beeswax candles is what I heard,

that they're great for you. So now we're all talking about beeswax candles. So Jacob Trickren apparently is living an incredible Spartan life in which he is no longer trying to infect himself with artificial light, I say, as I sit before three giants that pointed at me courtesy of the ESPN Corporation. Thank you for helping with my home setup. And is going to be, I guess, wearing his night cap and gown and walking around with a little candle

from going to room to room in his house, his beeswax candle. Yeah, that's the guy who just signed an eight year deal with the Capitals. Let me ask you this though. If we didn't have all of the responsibilities of family and job and all these types of things, would you not want to try to see

if you could live like that? I know I would. I'd love to see how long I could hang in there and if I could actually do it and what I take for granted every single day. Again, like they're just like the realities of the lives that we've made for ourselves and the responsibilities that come along with them

and these are why we have to do certain things. But is there not a part of you that says, you know, I kind of really admire that because I wonder if I could do it. So this is the problem with your query. Which is that you get to define- Oh yes, there would still be weed though, so that's okay, there'd still be weed. Well, that's fine, because that grows in the ground.

Again, I reference this line from the movie Knocked Up all the time. It's the advice the late Harold Ramis gave to Seth Rogen in that movie. No powder, no pills, if it comes from the ground, it's probably okay. I think that is the greatest parental advice I've ever heard in any pop culture ever. I don't know. I don't know. I got some advice once. Everything is edible, but some things are only edible once. That's right. Okay, so when you say it, right, are you talking about living without artificial light? Are you talking about living without artificial light? Are you talking about living without electricity? Yes, all of it. How are we getting our food?

Are we growing it? Growing it, yes. Okay. So. I've honestly, I've thought about it plenty. Like, could I survive? Could I really, like, am I that far removed as a human being from our ancestors that there's no way

that I could survive in that? I've thought about this too, and I, I, where I struggle with it is how do I get meat because I am, I am admittedly one of these people that likes to stick his head in the sand and not think about where my burger comes from. So if I can get meat from a neighbor and not have to do it myself, then I'll be alright. There is a part of me that is drawn to, we're heating our house with the wood in the stove. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And we're sitting in the corner with a candle and we're reading books and we're not worrying about anything except having to get up at five the next morning to tend to the the farm. Like there's something beautiful about that. And then I think to myself,

inevitably there'll be somebody who shows up on my property and starts yelling, who shows up on my property and starts yelling, why do you hate the Penguins? Why are you so mean? Is it because you're a Devils fan? Because you don't like the Penguins because you're a Devils fan? I'm like, I haven't been a hockey rater in like five years. I'm living on this farm now.

Like, why are you doing this? In 2014, you wrote that you think that Sidney Crosby is only the seventh best player ever and not the sixth. Do you hate the Penguins? Like, how did you find me? I'm on a farm. I remember asking, and this one makes a lot of sense to me. I remember asking Dan Carlin at one of the events

that I did with Dan, who was the best from hardcore history. I said, Dan, if you could have a choice of either living in the future or living in the past, what would you choose? And I thought that as a historian, Dan would say the past. And he said, no, the future. And I said, I'm kind of surprised, Dan. I thought you would have said the past.

Why do you say the future? And he said dentistry That's why dentistry. Yeah much better Than we figured out we figured out what to do about polio, you know, there's a lot of things Things like that. No, I listen I am all about the I came to a new appreciation of technology after we had Iris, my one year old, and when I raised my elder daughter, we didn't have the benefit of a lot of the technology

we have today, whether it's the formula dispenser, the bottle desanitizer, or even the ability to go on Reddit and being like, here's a rash, what could it be? You know, those things are great, and it gave me a new appreciation of technology as a parent. That being said, when I think about the future, I think about how technology goes bad. We have robots now that dance.

I just saw a clip of a robot doing things that humans can do. And all I can think of is that we're gonna have an entire economy built on the backs of robots, and we're not built to make it the Gene Roddenberry-esque existence where everybody is taking care of financially and the robots do all the work. We're not ready for it. We don't know how to do it.

So, hang on, a couple really quick from the chat. Big Willie Salas, Jeff and Greg are having senior moments. Yeah, that's true. The other one, Camp Demand Industrial Society and its Power Play. That's really good. That's really good. How does that? I just realized there are some people that are, that consume the show and that consume my time on the show every Tuesday. Mm-hmm. And don't understand that this used to happen five times a week. I know, every day at one o'clock because of the egos. Well, every day at one o'clock. It would be a conversation, like, we would pitch it as,

we're gonna talk about who's gonna win the Stanley Cup and then someone tunes in and it's like, Of course you'd have to learn how to work a plow and then you'd probably have to, you know, figure out and then would you, you know, would you, would you, would we have an outhouse? Would there be plumbing? Max R. How long until robot refs? Ooh, good one Max R. Anyway, so we got a couple of minutes. What do you got? So I got one more that I want to mention to you. I did bubble watch today on ESPN where we get into the percentage and the probabilities of teams making the playoffs, advancing the playoffs, what have you.

It made me excited that we're gonna get a hell of a finish here in the regular season because a few bad games either way for the Habs or the Blues and things can get really chaotic. But it made me sad to realize that we are gonna lose either the Dallas Stars or the Colorado Avalanche in the first round. And it probably is gonna be the Dallas Stars

based on the health of Heaskin and based on how the Avalanche are playing right now. Want them, I want those teams. And again, like I say this, knowing that Heaskin is not gonna come back to the second round according to Peter DeBoer, I want the best teams when they are the healthiest. I don't care.

Give me that in the first round, that's fine. You lose to Alistair in the first round. Oh well, stakes are high. Give it to me all day long. Don't get me wrong. The Miko Rantanen of it all is beautiful. That is an incredible, so prerotic moment for the NHL. But it got me thinking about how

is the winner of that series going to represent the Western Conference in the Stanley Cup final? And I think the answer could be yes. I remember years and years ago going to see Phil Collins at the C&E. And you know what? Yeah. Chester Thompson on drums. One of my favorite drummers of all time. Loved him on Roxie and elsewhere. Frank Zappa band, 1974. So Phil Collins is a great show too. When he was like in his height of power, he was great. He opened with In the Air Tonight. I thought that was the coolest thing in the world. Like you come out and play your big, massive hit right away. Like apparently like Lionel Richie opens up with Sunday morning.

Like, Whoa, Holy smokes. That's why it's moments like that where I say, give me Colorado and Dallas in the first round, NHL lead strong, lead with an awesome matchup. That is Phil Collins starting his concert off with In the Air tonight. That's what that is. Yeah, and there's a chance we can get the battle of Florida, the battle of Ontario

and Dallas, Colorado in the first round, which is why the first round of the playoffs is always the greatest time to be alive. It's the best. I do, if Dallas somehow gets past Colorado, they're winning the cup. And I think that Colorado right now for me is the scariest team in the West.

I think we all have to come to the realization we're probably headed for Colorado and Florida. Like, I think that's might be the thing that happens this year. Which would be fine by me. That's a banger of a final. That's a banger of a final. That's a banger of a final. It's a great final. I keep saying that again, like, you know, fantasy booker in this one.

I kind of want Colorado and Carolina. I want the Ratnik Cup, like I do. I'm sorry. Like, I want Colorado, Carolina. You'd love a Ratnik Cup. Yeah. It'd be the Marty Nicks. And Ratnik comes out to give out the cup instead of the commissioner. How about that? Still gets booed. Still gets booed, yeah. Doesn't matter who comes out. Do you, do you, the only part of the Colorado thing I'm curious about is Blackwood. Like, he's not done this before. I love him. Doesn't mean he can't. Doesn't mean he can't. I love him. And the team in

front of him might be good enough where he just does the kind of do the Darcy Comfort thing and not lose the series. I think McKenzie Blackwood's a really good goaltender I think that contract is excellent and Let's just remind everybody who was in net when the Colorado Avalanche last won the Stanley Cup Let's all hold hands and say it together Darcy Kemper Like I had guys gonna leave the Kings to eliminate the Oilers in the first round for the first time in four tries I don't laugh at that. I don't I don't tries. I don't laugh at that. I don't. I don't laugh at that at all. And again, like I was saying yesterday on the show,

I know a lot of people are, oh, I don't wanna see Edmonton LA again. F'ing right I do. I wanna see it now more so than ever. I know all of a sudden LA is a much better, give me that. I'll take that. Yeah, thank you. I'll take LA.

It's called a hero's journey, people. You have to overcome great obstacles. Read some Joseph Campbell. No, I completely agree with you, especially because the Kings are gonna have home ice advantage and they are the stupidest, goodest team on home ice that we've ever seen. They had a 14-game points streak on home ice, which was a franchise record for the Kings. Their home record is one of the most underappreciated stats of the entire season.

When we look at stats for the season, let me close on this one. Will we look back on this season? I don't think they're gonna win the Stanley Cup, but this may be the most impactful move that we saw all season long. And that is the Doug Armstrong offer sheets to Broberg and

Holloway which have paid off in major spades and hasten this rebuild the St. Louis Blues to the point where St. Louis Blues gonna make the playoffs for Crying Out Loud and again we always think about cascading effects and the Copycat League and aping whatever is successful from the year before, leading into more offer sheets this summer. Because if Army can do it, then we all can. My question is about Doug Armstrong. As we look at the General Manager of the Year Award, one, he's from the old school, from the old Vanguard,

but we all know how some managers feel about offer sheets. Do you think that enough managers, and it's not just managers, but primarily it is, who vote for this award? Do you think that Doug Armstrong would get enough votes from fellow managers? I don't think he's getting one from Edmonton. I don't think Stan Bowman is going to vote for Doug Armstrong in this award. But do you think, it's just business? It's just business. It's just business. I would offer sheet my mom, he said, or whatever he said at the time. Do you think that there would be enough votes for Doug Armstrong

if St. Louis gets in for general manager of the year? I do. If you're asking me if the offer sheet thing will be a detriment to his support, I don't. Like I think all these guys understand the way the game is played and quite frankly, he probably has a lot of fans for having taken something off the Oilers after they made the cup final last year

and diminished them as a contender, right? Problem is, is that, you know, Chris Patrick exists and Chris McFarlane exists. And I don't know how either of those guys. Can Chris Patrick win that one? Or does Brian McClellan have to get that one even though he's not a GM anymore? Those were all his moves.

Patrick was there. Patrick was like, I'm not disqualifying Chris Patrick. I don't know. Like when McSimmons got all the love, does McPhee get love too? I don't know like how it works. But my point being is that the moves the Capitals made to elevate from how did they get in last year to they're going to win the president's trophy and the moves that Colorado made. I mean, again, the beautiful thing about Colorado was that people remember the Rantman trade and they remember the Deadline moves where they get Coyle and Nelson and

Lindgren and they're just rocking and rolling. They re-did their whole goalie crease, like, it was all changed. They had the stones to nuke their goalie crease that early in the season. Early! Early! I mean, honestly, early they said we've seen enough, which managers look at their look at both gold headers and say we've seen enough of this crap. We've seen enough. Like I know the guy yelling at me on my farm is a Colorado fan that still thinks as a devil fan, I have them because of what happened in 2001, which cares? But I want to tell Colorado fans, like, I have an affinity for your team

because from a managerial standpoint, you need like the flatbed that moves houses down the highway to handle the stones on that management team for the moves that they've made this year, whether it's the goalie thing, whether it's the goalie thing, whether it's the ranting thing, whether it's the machinations, the trade deadline.

Like I have, I want Colorado to win because of the audacity of what McFarland has done as general manager there. I am endlessly impressed with what they've done this season. Don't disagree. I know you're gonna be disappointed we don't have time to talk about the OHL Cup. Maybe we can hold onto that. Oh, that. Oh, the championship is Friday. I know, I know. The champion says I

can't talk about junior hockey. So I guess it's not even junior hockey. It's we're talking about youth 16 hockey. So it's not even junior hockey yet. It's still the kids. Yeah, it's the OHL Cup. You be good. Yeah, I know. Gary Roberts kid looked good yesterday, Sam. Overtime winner against Vaughn. Anyhow, we'll let you go on that. Exactly. Restrict his diet more and have him doing, you know, pulling. Finish all your vegetables too, Sam.

All those vegetables have to be off the plate. You'll be good. We'll talk in seven days. Bye. The one and only Greg Wyshinski from ESPN, joining me here every Tuesday on the program for a little bit of MVSW love. Okay, Zach, we still got more to get to here today and want to remind people it's gonna be a very busy day around the NHL and a very busy day, Zach, for you and a very emotional day, I am sure sure for Scott Lark. FanDuel, proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. Roster updates as

always. You can find in our daily face-off fantasy feed on Twitter slash X no matter what you call it. It's updated all day long and listen there's a few intriguing ones. Once upon a time the battle of the Keystone State was a really big deal. Philadelphia facing off against the Pittsburgh Penguins. But Toronto facing off against Philadelphia. What do you make of this one at Scotiabank Arena? Scott Lawton front and center. Scott Lawton revenge night.

I've got Scott Lawton anytime goals. I'm loading up on those. It's Scott Lawton in every way you can find it tonight Jeff That's what the big story is for me I Don't know in all honesty This is a Flyers team that is not gonna back down in any type of way and I want to see how this leaves team responds after what what just happened on Saturday against Nashville because they said

Like we're here to play and then after the first period they're like well we were here to play we'll see you on Tuesday so I don't know this is a frustrating team man. I'm not gonna drag you through it. I'm not gonna answer this question. I'm not dragging you over the glass anymore. I'm not dragging you over the glass like you too many cuts and the cuts are too deep already I'm not gonna drag you over anymore. The more I just think about it, how am I gonna answer this question, I'm like, oh, get in here. I'm not dragging you over the glass anymore. I'm not dragging you over the glass. Like, too many cuts and the cuts are too deep already. I'm not gonna get chopped off. The one game that I'm looking forward to here, and there's a few beauties on the schedule,

but two of my favorite teams to watch right now are going head to head tonight. So Montreal Canadiens and the St. Louis Blues. That's the one that I'm looking forward to tonight as both of them continued their wonderful slash maybe improbable march to the Stanley Cup playoffs. That is the one that I've got my eyes on. Like make no mistake about it, Washington and the Jets, you'll look at that and you'll say these are the two teams that might be the best in the NHL and nobody believes in either

of them. No one's saying the Jets are going to win the Stanley Cup and no one's saying the Washington Capitals are going to win the Stanley Cup are the two best teams in the NHL and nobody believes in either of them. No one's saying the Jets are gonna win the Stanley Cup and no one's saying the Washington Capitals are gonna win the Stanley Cup with the two best teams in the NHL and they're going head-to-head tonight at the Canada Life Center in Winnipeg. So that's gonna be a good one but to me again like just as someone who watches just because like these are fun teams to watch. Montreal St. Louis does it for me. I know you got your eyes on Toronto and Philadelphia, but that's the one for me. That one, exciting, especially playoff implications. The other one for me right now that I'm looking at

is Washington Winnipeg tonight. Yeah, man. I'm kind of excited about that one, just good hockey. Good, fun, hockey. I wanna see if Calgary can pull off another comeback. Like I want Seattle tonight to go up like five cob, and just to see if Calgary can pull off another comeback like I want I want Seattle tonight to go up like five Cobb And just just to see if Calgary can do like another improbable Comeback with Jonathan Hubert Oh with this like remarkable comeback season just when you thought like the flames are gonna rebuild here comes Jonathan

Hubert Oh saying hey remember me I thought that he's gonna be the 115 guy again, but still like he's having a wonderful season we'll see if What happens with the flames and the Seattle Kraken tonight speaking of teams that are trying to march into a playoff spot perhaps unexpectedly last word to you Zach anything that we thought we left off the program today that we can pick up tomorrow no we cover it got everything there yeah yeah man that's like two days in a row let me take the rest of the whole Pat Maroon was on morning cup of hockey this morning Make sure to go watch that after you finish rep watching this so good

That should always be watching morning cup of hockey every morning nine o'clock nine o'clock Eastern Pat Maroon really good really solid no surprise. I did enjoy the way That Colby tried to give him shit for not making his announcement that Colby tried to give him shit for not making his announcement on their show instead choosing to do it, I don't know, on like nation, national television with Darren Pang and an adoring audience and first star and all those types of things. When you add everything together, even Colby Cohen was saying like, okay, I kind of get the way, why you wanted to do it. But it's a great interview. He's always a great interview.

And it sounds very much like he wants to end up on a panel here for the playoffs somewhere. And looks like he's gonna at least investigate the idea of doing media in some capacity once it's officially over for Pat Maroon. So congrats to Pat Maroon. Again go and check out that show. It's in the archives right now. Morning Cup of Hockey should be a morning starter for all of you. It is for me and Zach. Hope it is for you. If not, change your schedule folks and make it your morning starter. If not, go listen to the archives either on YouTube or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Got it?

Just like this program. And thanks to Greg Wyshynski from ESPN for stopping by as he does every Tuesday. We're back again tomorrow at 3 o'clock Eastern for the Sheet. How about that? 14, no, we got 10 games tonight around the NHL, 10 games on the board. Pick one, pick two, pick all of them. Pick a select, a few. But make sure to check out St. Louis Montreal. That one should be fun.

Washington and the Jets, as Zach was mentioning, that should be a good one too. And Scott Lawton night in Toronto as the Maple Leafs face off against the Philadelphia Flyers. Got it? Thanks for hanging out in the chat. Some great stuff there. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. On behalf of everybody here, Merrick signing off We're back tomorrow. This week, every day, this month I can't get out my head Lost all ambitions day to day Guess I can call it a rut

I went to the dark man He tried to give me a little medicine I'm like, nah man, that's fine I'm not against those methods, but no It's me, myself, and this gon' be fixing my mind I don't think you're sometimes losing Helping on the days that went wrong