The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Recap and Reload ft. Shayna Goldman

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

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I was working at Hockey Night in Canada. Doing the Hockey Night in Canada radio show, doing some ringside for Hockey Night. This was at CBC when they had the National Hockey. And it became pretty obvious pretty quickly in the playoffs that the Chicago Blackhawks were finally going to do something. That something was win the Stanley Cup. For the first time since 1961. Remember all the videos came here, come the Hawks, those old like 1960s videos and the old Chicago Blackhawks theme?

It was cool, it was fun. Right? It was like a weird sort of old school meets new school. That old school Eddie Litz and Burger team meeting Jonathan Taves and Patrick Kane and Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook, etc. So leading into the Stanley Cup final that year, I thought, you know what, I should probably as we're all searching for things to talk about every single day, and I was doing a daily three hour show, I should probably go back and have a look at 1961 and trust me by the way I am going somewhere with this that relates to today so don't think that grandpa's going for a little mental walk here. So I said you know I should go back and look at some of the press clippings go read some of the newspapers go read some of the stories

around 1961 and the Stanley Cup final. This is of course the 16th universe. So that was the Chicago Blackhawks facing off against the Detroit Red Wings. This by the way was almost not broadcast in Canada. A Stanley Cup final not broadcast in Canada because the rights that CBC had were only for the Montreal Canadiens and the Toronto Maple Leafs. We could have seen the Chicago, so America could have seen Chicago win the Stanley Cup in 61. Canada would be shut out. It all got worked out and Canadians had a chance to watch Captain Edlitsenberger get the Stanley Cup from NHL president Clarence Campbell. But the interesting thing about it was, you know, reading the clippings going into the

final and then more specifically reading and hearing clips from the Chicago Blackhawks players after they won the Stanley Cup, it was fascinating. Like if you hear all of them, like Bobby Hall and Stan Makita front and center, if you hear them talk, in their mind, they were going to win multiple cups. This was the beginning of what was going to be a dynasty in the NHL. The Chicago Blackhawks had finally turned a page, long gone were the days of interleague expansion where every team had to surrender at least one player of the Chicago Blackhawks because they were such a bad team.

Those days were gone and the Hawks were taking a turn. Here come the Hawks. And for the remainder of the 1960s, only two teams won the Stanley Cup, the Montreal Canadiens and the Toronto Maple Leafs. But if you read the clippings and heard the interviews, all those guys talked as if this was the beginning of what was going to be a dynasty. Fast forward to Saturday and the Colorado Avalanche facing off against the Dallas Stars and a

command performance by Miko Rantanen, who was outstanding very quietly, by the way, in that entire series. Lian Bachel and Alex Petrovic were excellent, but good luck getting a headline because the headline coming out of that series was Mikko Rantanen, 11 points in the last three games. Attrick in the third period of a game 7 Peter de Boer stretching his game 7 record to nine wins and zero Losses it was an incredible night of drama and action and intrigue and revenge and we're gonna get there for Miko Rantanen and on the other side of the rink

there's the Colorado Avalanche again and Honestly, I really just couldn't help but thinking about That 1961 Chicago Blackhawks team and all those players thinking this is the beginning of a dynasty This is the beginning of a run. Oh, yeah, we remember the Munchraucanians ripping off five. We'll do the same. We're the Hawks. And somewhere along the way with the Colorado Avalanche here and you saw Nathan McKinnon afterwards or heard Nathan McKinnon afterwards saying, I don't know what we do now. Somewhere along the way those Colorado Avalanche players and that team, at least in my mind,

is starting to really become that Chicago Blackhawks 1961 team. Like I went along with it, maybe you went along with it as well. There was reason to go along with it. They looked fantastic. We did the netminding, the team redid the middle of the ice, big pieces coming in,

big prospects and draft picks going out. They were going for it. This was the Colorado Avalanche trying to reclaim glory that they had in what seemed like five minutes ago, but probably to those players now seems like five years ago. And you wonder if it's now just gone. And if the final nail in the, we're not gonna build the dynasty coffin was the trade of Miko Ratanen. Now that is going to be dissected and discussed from all

different corners and from all different angles and everybody's gonna have a take on it. But to me you don't need to have your Nathan McKinnon decoder ring on when you listen to him speak about we don't know what we're going to do next or what happened. If I'm Nathan McKinnon or if I think I know Nathan McKinnon, I just know him a tiny little bit, I'm thinking he's still steamed that Miko Rantanen is not in that room and how much of a difference Miko Rantanen would have made in that series and perhaps to some of the Avalanche players,

if that Rantana deal was the end of the idea of the Colorado Avalanche being another version of, well, that Blackhawks team that we saw win three, the Kings team that won a pair, the Penguin squad, the Tampa Bay Light teams in this salary cap era that qualify as a dynasty. Dynasty is under a salary cap. We're not gonna be like the 70s and 80s or 60s or 50s folks. It's just not. It's just too hard to keep it all going. But you win two, maybe three, that qualifies as a dynasty. But I don't know anybody,

Zach, let me get your thoughts on this one. I don't know anybody who thought that when Colorado won that Stanley Cup, that it was going to be one and done. That it was going to be Stanley Cup, peace out. No, I would agree with you. The rent and trade certainly makes this interesting. But like my only counterpoint to it would be you brought them up there. They had a different pathway to the three cups that they got than L.A. and Chicago in terms of how long it took them to accumulate those. But 2009, 2016, 2017.

That's a breakdown of the years that Sidney Crosby won the cup there Not saying it's gonna be the exact same my point just being it's not over. I don't think I still feel like they're going to be Especially after those comments that came out pushing and while you have McKinnon and my car Taves alongside them landis gog returns, you can't just say no, but I don't know. I mean, the Penguins won that one, took them seven years to win the next one. I'll keep some optimism when it comes to a guy like Nathan McKinnon. Like I will always view him differently and just the drive that he has and how much he pushes and his ability to kind of drag people into the fight.

The exit interview is going to be fascinating. I was saying on Morning Cup of Hockey this morning, the best thing for the Avalanche to do right now, take a deep breath and go away. Don't make any decisions right now. But again, what are the Avalanche still looking for? A Nazim Qadri replacement. What are the Toronto Maple Leafs still looking for? A Nazim Qadri replacement. Really quietly and he doesn't really get talked about a lot here. And I want to get to the show. Shannon Goldman standing by in a couple

of moments. Cole Perfetti or Gold Perfetti, you know, with a pair last night in an exciting game 7 between the Winnipeg Jets and the Blues will be standing by coming up around 3.40 Eastern if you're watching or listening to us live. I really do wonder what the Avalanche do now. We are all handing the GM of the year either to the man in Washington or the man in Colorado. I'm really wondering what the man in Colorado is gonna do now that things have gone south. Shannon Goldman comments here in a couple of moments.

In the meantime, here's what's coming up on today's program. Glad to have you aboard today. Man, I don't know if that was maybe the best weekend of game seven hockey you've ever seen, but it sure was for me. Those were outstanding daily outlines powered by FanDuel. Our friends and presenters make every moment more with North America's number one sports book FanDuel, North America's number one sports book app provider.

And coming up on the program today, as I mentioned, Cole Profetti is going to be stopping by at the Winnipeg Jets. Two beauties, two absolute beauties yesterday for the guy who this time time last season, couldn't get in the lineup, was healthy scratched. I know Tyler DeFaule was a trade deadline acquisition, but Perfetti wasn't there last year, now he's a hero, things turn around quickly. Shana Goldman from The Athletic

and the Too Many Men podcast will stop. I will talk about those two outstanding game sevens that we saw. A little review of what we saw, recap rather, of what we saw in the first series, or in the first round rather, and then preview starting tonight of the Florida Panthers facing off

against the Toronto Maple Leafs, and that is the snappy show here. One thing that I do wanna get to, and I wanna play this for Shayna as well, so we're not gonna belabor it, but I do wanna play it. You know what I've always wanted to do? And I wanna do it on this show somewhere down the road.

So if you have a show, don't steal this. Just putting it on the, I don't know how we can trademark if we just like put trademark next to it. But what I wanna do is make a, maybe under the sheet banner or under the daily face-off banner, a hockey Twitter hall of fame. I wanted to do this when I was doing a base off banner, a hockey Twitter hall of fame. I wanted to do this when I was doing the ice surfing show

that we used to broadcast on Twitter, but it never really went anywhere. I'd like to do it here. But anyway, so I have a new candidate for the hockey Twitter hall of fame. Like there's gonna be a number of tweets that go in automatically, the trade is one for one. Goes in the hockey Twitter Hall of Fame. But right up there with it, Annie O'Donnell. The brilliant Annie O'Donnell. After watching Rantanen with a command performance on Saturday. Ice, his old team. The team that

didn't want to... the players still want him. You saw Nathan McKinnon speak, the players still want him. Couldn't come to an agreement. You can make the argument. They let, you know, they were penny wise and pound foolish. They let the Nichols get in the way of the dollars. But nonetheless, the team, against the team that didn't want him, Annie O'Donnell was something that has to go into the hockey Twitter Hall of Fame. This one, fire it up, Zach. It is an absolute bit of brilliance. Miko Rantanen having his Silver Springs moment in game seven. I love it as Stevie Nicks sings at Lindsay Buckingham,

the man who famously dumped her. sings at Lindsay Buckingham, the man who famously dumped her. And then they produced about a million great songs because of it. Nothing makes great music quite like tragedy and breakup and heartache. Stevie Nicks as Miko Rantanen. It is the perfect marriage of music and hockey. Annie O'Donnell.

Come on, the French, La Première Etoile as we say in French, the first star. perfect marriage of music and hockey. Annie O'Donnell, commande en Francais, la première étoile, as we say in French, the first star. Miko Rantinen comes out of this weekend as the first star. What a, and the last three games of that series, 11 points, he was outstanding, Zach. Phenomenal. Yeah, he was.

To be able to, what was the stat? That was the first third period hat trick in game seven in NHL history. Correct. And the other one that I want to throw out there at you, Jeff now, the Colorado Avalanche first game of the year, Miko Rantanen, hat trick, Colorado Avalanche last game of the year, Miko Rantanen hat trick. That is called salt on an open wound. That is stop punching he's already dead. I'll tell you what I feel I feel great for Antonyn I mean you think about

like what a whirlwind this was for him personally and the season still continues for him right it's great oh and by the way Peter DeBoer look right to camera Peter DeBoer, you know the assignment. Miro Heiskenen comes back, you owe it to hockey to start the finish five. Like they are not going to disrupt that Grandland hints, ranting in line. And so with Miro Heiskenen coming back, now there have been times where there have been like,

you know, six players on a team, but the only one of them are defenders, so you couldn't do it. You have a chance here with Miro Heskinen coming back in the second round to put him with Essel Indell, start the game, and make history. And I kind of know Peter a little bit,

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Rent your RV, make money easy. With that, she's no stranger to this or other broadcasts. She is a great Shana Goldman from The Athletic and the very popular Too Many Men podcast. And there's so much to break down here. And just before you came on, I had to show that Annie O'Donnell tweet the one with Stevie next just like hammering Lindsey Buckingham in one of the great ex-girlfriend barking at the the the boyfriend. Let's call it what it is. It's a fuck you moment. It is a great fuck you moment. It really really is and it might be my favorite Fleetwood Mac song as well. Zach, if you want to fire that one up before we get into breaking down series and what we just saw. Goldman, you get Stevie Nicks. You're a Fleetwood Mac fan.

How perfect is this tweet from Annie? Miko Rantanen as Stevie Nicks. It's iconic and you know you could look at it and say well obviously Miko Renton is Stevie Nicks and it's like who is Lindsay are you looking up at the front office being like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year that was it and now I'm moving on and having a great career and you are not it is absolute perfection it is iconic I love it I wish like that's one of the things you're like damn I wish I thought of myself and I never would have and Annie is so creative and so it's just perfect.

Yeah I know I and I'm a big like you I'm a big Fleetwood Mac fan, um seen them live before it's just a tremendous show and I never would have thought of what and like that's my favorite Fleetwood Mac song too but I'm such a dope I can't even think like put two and two together let alone put you know one foot in front of the other. Okay, but bracket that conversation for a second. Bracket the Dallas Colorado conversation, this is a lot to get into there. But Cole Profetti is gonna drop by a little bit later on. Gold Profetti as they call him,

a pair last night in grand fashion, both of them deflections and both of them brilliant. And here's a guy who last year, I always be blunt, was scratched by Rick Bonus, Kevin Sheveldeoff, pardon Tyler Tafoli. And that took, you know, that took Cole Perfetti out of the Winnipeg Jets lineup. And now he's a hero,

along with Adam Lowry, who scores the goal, and Neil Pionk, who played about a million minutes last night as well. You have a thought on Cole Perfetti, either it's like regular season or playoffs, or where he's headed Is he gonna get that Matt Coronado contract now? Craig Conroy doing

Cam Stewart a favor trying to get this guy signed your thoughts on on Cole Perfetti here I'm not sure he's going to get the Coronado contract yet, but like he should right he better numbers Better numbers played longer in the playoffs. I don't know. Yeah, and he's performing in the playoffs. And if you're the Winnipeg Jets, you should want that from a forward because that has been the critique for some time. And he didn't just perform in the playoffs.

He performed in the biggest moments of the postseason, right? That last shift by the Jets. I'm watching the game with my best friend and my boyfriend. I'm sitting there and I am just going off about what an awful shift that was for the Winnipeg Jets and how I didn't like their passing, I didn't like the puck movement, I didn't like the shot selection, I didn't like any of the decision making in the moment. And then Ehlers, that pass was so gutsy and profeting in the right position and the right hand eye coordination for the second time

in that game. That's massive. So to be able to perform in that moment, that's a good sign. And it kind of does remind me of, um, why Johnston a little bit, when we looked at his breakout last year in the playoffs, you thought about him the year before against Vegas and he really wilted in the postseason. Sometimes you just need that seasoning and to understand how to play regular season hockey is one thing, but how to play it in the playoffs is a whole nother animal. And I,

I think he's showing he has that in him. He has that next level. So yes, the defense still needs some work. Yes, they sheltered him for a reason a lot of the time, it even strength this year in the regular season. But that offensive talent is something you can't just teach. You can just keep refining and expanding. The one thing that I really liked about Profetti's performance yesterday, and we saw this with both goals, like where he's standing to score those goals, those are Gabe Velarde goals. Like that's that guy like dots down he's in there. Two-foot goals, dirty goals, playoff style goals. You know you think like you know Cole Profetti's gonna snap one in from the top of the circles or

something like that. Like that is, like I always talk about like there are regular season goals and they're lovely. And then there are playoff goals that no matter how much MAC 30 you put on them, you're not gonna pretty these goals up. These are goals that are scored in front of the net where you take abuse. This idea that, oh yeah, Profetti's not gonna get to the front of the net, and I'm just watching this

for those that are just listening, just watching it now right in front of the net. The other goal was a tip in from the side. You just saw a shot of Doug Armstrong there, not too happy. As Cole Profetti ties it and everyone goes crazy in Winnipeg. I just love the fact that, you know, here's someone who's breaking down the stereotypes of him right in front of our eyes at the most crucial time of the year.

I know I love it. I love a good narrative bust, right? Like come on, we're here to tell stories. We're here to make up shit as we go along and I love it. I love a good narrative bust, right? Like come on. We we're here to tell stories We're here to make up shit as we go along and I love when players are just like no, sorry bestie That's not happening. And yeah getting into the right position and have the battle right? There's not a lot of space out there in the playoffs generally speaking and the Blues are a very good defensive team We saw that their turnaround was fueled by good defense and keeping opponents out of the slot area They were one of the best teams at defending the slot in the regular season. And here you go, you allow a player to be

in position, have his stick in position the way he needs to that he can, you know, redirect those shots. It's a skill to have that, you know, redirectability, but you still have to be able to get to the quality areas. And he did that. So I mentioned this to Colby Colen this morning on Morning Cup of Hockey. I'll mention the same thing to you and see what your reaction is. Okay, let play the, okay erase your brain. The last two weeks didn't exist Shana Goldman and we're heading into the playoffs okay. Clear your mind. Miso no kokoro. Mind like wata. All of it. Get rid of all of it. So we're going back to the beginning of the playoffs. Shana here's what I think is gonna happen. The

Winnipeg Jets are gonna beat the the St. Louis Blues and Conor Hallibuch is going to get pulled in three of the games. What are you saying to your buddy Jeff? I'm saying I did pick the Jets. But I'm saying like and Conor Hallibuch gets pulled three times in the series and the series is not, oh, Conor Hallibuch stole this thing from the St. Louis Blues or Conor Hallibuch comes out of it like reinforcing his Vezna candidacy. I did not think that he was going to be the Connor Halliburke regular of the regular season. I didn't because he hasn't shown that he has that playoff pedigree.

And I was very worried. I keep looking at it going is that the pressure is at the workload and trying to figure out the answer. And is it somewhere in between? Right. And you look at the workload and you go, yes, they made life easier for him this year, but he still played a ton of games You don't need to play 70% of the starts or 75% of the starts in this day and age right get this man a backup that He doesn't need to play as much down the stretch. Maybe he'll be rested, but I'd like maybe we're wrong about it

Maybe it's a little bit of everything in between right like I Didn't think he would be great. I didn't think he'd be this bad not behind that defense right like we look at the Colorado he would be great. I didn't think he'd be this bad. Not behind that defense, right? Like we look at the Colorado series last year and we go, he was completely exposed. The rush defense from the Jets was abysmal and he was facing shots he shouldn't have. I didn't think that they were going to allow some of the chances that they did, right? Because you look at some of those chances in transition and you go, you shouldn't have allowed that. You should have been, you know, have better gap control. You should have done anything and more to knock someone out of the quality areas. And you shouldn't have allowed the screens and deflections.

But to be this bad and to win the series, I'm shocked to have that rebound after the first two goals. Also shocked because he looks so unsure of himself, but it was different in the playoffs. I felt the way that he was covering pucks even looked more decisive and picking them back up and standing up and getting reset for the next play. Like I thought all of that looked a lot sharper than it has since what game one or two of the series. I wanted to transition to the Avalanche and I mentioned at the top of the show going back to 2010 when the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup. I remember going back to 1961 and reading like,

okay, so all the quotes from all the Blackhawks players coming off of that and they felt like this was the beginning of a dynasty. They thought we're gonna rip off like four of these in a row, this is like breaking sticks, two foot putt, this is a layup, here we go, the Hawks are back. And then they never got back to winning a Stanley Cup until 2010. Are we gonna look at the Avalanche really and say,

lot of promise, but the only one one cup like they were poised to be a dynasty team. And out of all of it, one cup. It's hard to stay at the top in this league. And they are, I think, the biggest reminder of it, right? Because Tampa Bay won two cups and they made it to the Stanley Cup final the next year. The Avs, since they won the cup, have two round one eliminations and one round two elimination. And yes, it was the best on best against the Stars this time. And yes, last year it was the best on best against the Stars in round two.

But it doesn't matter at the end of the day. You can make any excuses you want. And they made moves in season that I think a lot of us were able to rationalize. You're losing Miko Ranston and okay, you didn't want to pay him. Okay, sure. getting younger you're extending your window you're making all these moves every area of need they were able to address and even with all of that it doesn't matter that they didn't expect Miko Ranzen to be back in the central division it doesn't matter right it's a hard league to win in you go through all that roster turnover and i don't think we looked at them going wow this team looks out of sorts wow i can't believe they added all these players and didn't give them the time to job. We weren't saying any of that. We were going they did a lot of work and they might actually be able to go on a

deep run. And it's just a reminder like this league isn't fair. It doesn't matter what you deserve or think you earn. You have to be the better team. You have to be good and you have to be lucky and you need to come up in the big moments. And they didn't do it enough. And they lost the series like it's it's tough. And hopefully you would think they'll learn from this like Like hey when you have that superstar you keep him. You keep him bottom line. You see a Matthew Kachuck out there you go for him. You have a Miko

Ranton and you dive at him. No wonder two different teams wanted to acquire him this year. Right? Two teams did acquire him more wanted to. You know that is interesting too because normally this league is one that like, the stars don't go. Like, they don't get traded. This isn't like, I mean, basketball is notorious for, I got a new best friend and now it's gotta be a 12 player trade, right? And I'm going somewhere else.

Like, hockey is the exact opposite of that. Guys look for a reason to stay. They like that security. Everybody generally stays with their teams. Maybe a couple escape the free agency, but not like the big guys. They always find a reason to stay exactly where they are. That's what made this one such a freak.

You know, and as a number of people have told me, like things didn't work out in Carolina, whether that was his, you know, his own, you know, his personal situation with a significant other, you're making a long-term investment, everyone's gotta be on the same page, whether, I mean, it was an awkward hockey fit as we saw, but I think long-term it probably would have worked out. What I was told is it worked out in Dallas in a lot of ways because of the support of and the friendship with a

lot of his fellow countrymen. Like a lot of this was like, this was like his whole life was turned upside down, sure there's Finns in Carolina, but you know, you look at the Dallas Stars and this is the legacy of Uri Lehtinen. This is like team Finland. Like if there's a second team Finland somewhere out there in the hockey world other than Finland, it's Dallas. Like they have a, always have, like the Red Wings have had a soft spot and Maple Leafs had a soft spot for Swedes. Dallas has had that for the Finns. And that really helped calm him down. And now they're getting the benefit of all of this. And now I'm wondering, you're Peter DeBoer with Hastening coming back. Can we see hockey history with the Finnish five?

I'm a geek for all of that. I just, cause don't forget, like, like Shaina, like I grew up in a very non-multicultural NHL, right? Like I grew up where it was like, oh, here comes a foreigner, beat him up, right? Like when the Russians came or when it was, you know, Hammerstrom and Solomon in Toronto and Mel Bridgeman probably should still be in prison for what he did to him in that Philadelphia Flyers Toronto Maple Leaf series. That was it.

It was a very like, no, you know what? It's gonna be Canadians and every now and then we'll let an American in, but that's it. That was the NHL I grew up in. So to me, this is still big news and is really remarkable sea change from where I was and this league was from when I was a kid. So I know you might look at it go, oh, you want to have the five fans, you know, generation gap,

like we don't care like you old guys did. Like, I really want to see it. I really just again, like I like for the same reason I love Peter Forsberg in the NHL, because I grew up with all the stereotypes about Swedes in the NHL. And then there was Peter Forsberg, who bam is a Swede and is the best power forward in the NHL. I love that. I want to see five fins. Do you want to see five fins? Listen, I'm all for it. I don't think it's a bad idea.

Because also I do wonder, not so much about the Jets, but I would wonder if they were to go deeper, how you spread the wealth across that defense and that right side is real weakness, right? And if you stack up Harley and Hayskeninen on the same pair and they are incredible together, I don't think you necessarily start with them. I think that's your we're trailing in the third period, put them together and you have this adjustment waiting for you in your back pocket.

And I'm fine with that, right? But I think the finish factor is big for Rantzenen. I think there's a lot of things to this situation and everyone makes it so black and white and it drives me up a wall Mico rancid and didn't forget how to play hockey when he went to the Carolina Hurricanes and no he is not a Nathan McKinnon merchant I think the adjustments people don't look at enough and this is why the Help that the season the trade happened so much earlier in the season, right? Because it gave him that chance to get adjusted to playing with a left-handed center instead of right-handed center

That is going to make a difference from From someone who is a zone entry machine so they can be the primary puck carrier so you can focus on your strengths in the offensive zone. That's an adjustment. The Canes play hockey in a way that not everybody can, right? We talk about the brilliance of the system and how players step in all the time and they're able to just keep the machine going,

but sometimes it doesn't work out and you're totally different and to jump into that mid-season is not easy. I thought the Talk about his game being bad in Carolina was overblown because I think there were positive signs below the surface That would have turned to good results and then when he went to the stars It was like it started all over again, right? Because here you go. Here's Rupay hands. You're gonna play with him Yes, he's a lefty, but it's totally different like work with him

See how it goes and he gets hit in the face with the puck and misses time. The lineup is like falling apart around him. There's so many changes. The defense was an absolute disaster from four nations on. So that's going to make life even harder on the forwards, right? Because you don't have that same insulation, the same support that you expect to have on the Dallas Stars. It took him a minute to gain some chemistry with his new teammates,

to settle himself personally I'm sure after knock after getting moved not once but twice in a year plus having the four nations break in between now preparing for The playoffs for a team that has expectations to win it all and oh by the way You're on a collision course for your former team Just keep your emotions and vibes in check and then figure out all the hockey stuff after so It's not surprising. He finally found his footing. He did it at the perfect time It makes her an even better story But I just think that everything was so overblown to that point and if we get that five finish unit out there for some time

I think it will be very exciting and very fun. Thank you Thank you I think it spreads the wealth of puff moving defensemen of Haskinen and Harley on different pairs for that top nine because this is a different team than a lot out there It's not like okay Haskinen and Harley on different pairs for that top nine because this is a different team than a lot out there. It's not like, okay, you know how like the top pair

and the top line are so good and it's so imbalanced everywhere else, right? Like if you could have it because that middle six is really good and give them some real puck support from the back end, like now you're really cooking. Now speaking of cooking, like all the way through the Dallas Stars lineup,

like we tend to forget, like they went backwards into the playoffs. What was it, seven game losing streak? And then all of a sudden- I think it was eight. Was it eight? forget, like they went backwards into the playoffs. What was it, seven game losing streak? And then all of a sudden, was it eight? So eight game losing streak going into the playoffs. I mean, regardless, like it was like, they looked awful. Just to be fair. And they looked awful for the month before it.

Like that losing streak, you know, was gonna happen because of their, like their expected goal rate from four nations to the end of the year was like bottom three. Is that bad? I'm new, I'm new to hockey. I've only just started paying attention to it. Is that bad? Is that a bad thing? I've heard it's bad. And the offense was good, but it was the defense. It was the defense that was really troubling because you're putting Ilya

Lubushkin in a position to play matchup minutes and Kody Shichik to go head to head with the best. Way too many minutes. Way too many. Mother's Day is coming up. Make sure you're calling your mother, but doing a little more for someone so important is never a bad idea. Get your mom an Aura digital picture frame. Photos and videos are a great way for mom to share and relive great memories. Maybe you got a couple of great pictures you posted on social and you think she'd like to have that in a frame in her house. Aura Frames is the way to make that happen. Now we have two Aura Frames, one for our place

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than me, you'll tell me whether I'm on base or off base. Leigh-Anne Bichelle and Alex Petrovic. I know they're not going to get any headlines, but like, they kind of looked really good there, Shayna. They definitely had their moments. Like they're a third pair. And sometimes you go like, okay, what do you reasonably expect from a third pair? And it's like, don't lose your minutes.

And I think, I think that the stars Stars as a whole came into the playoffs and played better 5 on 5 hockey than they have in a very long time and they were a part of it. There were games they definitely were outplayed and I think the Avs speed challenged that pair specifically. But I think it's like a good thing to build on right? Because I don't look at that and go oh my god it's a total liability like I do honestly like the Jets third pair. I see Stanley and Shen out there and I'm holding my breath every shift.

Mm-hmm. And that becomes a question now. Like we're looking at the Winnipeg Jets and we say, okay, we saw Morrissey leave, Shifeley not available for service yesterday. What do you make of this next round? And it's not as if anyone's gonna get, Winnipeg's not getting any days here to recuperate.

Like Neil Peonk, if anyone's gonna need the Norma-Tex, it's going to be Neil Peonk right up until puck drop on Wednesday. Like keep that guy in the Norma-Tex. How do you see this next series? I guess a lot of it depends on health of the Winnipeg Jets here. Yeah, it absolutely does because, I mean, listen, the Stars have the adrenaline rush right now after beating the Abs in the way that they did in such an exciting series. And you could say the same about the Jets, honestly, right? Because it's not like they didn't win in dramatic fashion. But I think that it was something about the path the Stars took to get here that like,

sure, they could crash. But I just don't think that's going to be the case. I think that they have the edge here because they have a lot more scoring depth. I think they have scoring depth against a healthy Jets team, right? The Jets decision not to go for that 2C, as good as Namesh Nikof has been, I would rather have him as a utility player to mix and match around your lineup than like cemented into your top six center position.

So I think that they have the edge there. And then defense, you can look at it and go head to head and go, okay, well that should be Winnipeg's strengths. But it's gonna be really interesting because Josh Morrissey I think is an even bigger loss because it's going to mean more minutes for players that shouldn't get them. And Neil Pionk was all over the place, everywhere last night. He was so good on both ends of the ice and like the numbers might not be perfect for him,

but you saw it like he was doing exactly what he needed to do without a ton of support. But I'm a little bit more worried about the Jets because if your defense isn't perfect, it's going to leave Connor Hellebuck even more exposed and then his confidence might go again. And it should be on a high after pulling it together the way he did last night. And if you don't have the goal support, then you can't necessarily outscore your opponent to make up for your mistakes. And you're going to have a hard time doing that against the Dallas Stars, especially after the get Hayskin and back and especially against Jake Ottinger,

who I think has been very good. So it's it's a it's a very tough one. They're closely matched on paper in some ways, just in very opposite ways. And it's going to it'll be cool to see like how it matches up to you, because even if you get into the nitty gritty of like their penalty kill, it's like you look at the stars and go, they allow more chances back. But their goaltending makes up for it. And then you look at the Jets and go, they don't allow much back. But the goaltending is letting those chances in.

So who wins out that battle? And then you have to start digging into it like, well, how's the power play going to look without Shiefly and without Morrissey versus the Stars? That's been red hot. And you can just see where the teams start separating themselves because they're missing key players in Winnipeg. And scene. Okay, that's what was. Now let's focus on what will be. And tonight, first game, round two, Florida Panthers, Toronto Maple Leafs.

Are these teams, here, let me open this, in about five minutes with you, are these teams more similar or different? Now, I always consider apples and oranges to be a bad comparison because apples and oranges are more similar than they are different. So are they apples and oranges or are they chalk and cheese? Are they more similar or are they, that's right, or are they more different? I'm sorry, I'm chalking cheese. You never heard

that one? That's an old one. Mike, are you going to say like apples and pears are a better comparison? Like I didn't know where you were going, but I'm saying I think that apples and oranges are more similar than different. If you're going to look for difference, you go to something that's an old English expression as different as chalk and cheese. Okay. Um, you love me. I don't even know. Okay.

I think that there are similarities between these teams on paper in the fact that they both want to play really tight defense and they don't want to give their opponents much space out there. And that defense has the support of really good goaltending. I think the fact that both teams have selkie caliber players makes them similar. Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner, Sam Reinhart and Alexander Barkov. Like it's a very good thing to have. You have multiple lines, but I just go. I look at the Panthers and I look at the Leafs and I think it's anything you can do. I can do better. And the Panthers are the one that can do it better.

That third line with Lundell and Marchant is a massive advantage for the Max Domi line. Yeah. You look at the Domi line and it's like, great. You scored the overtime game winner. What else did you do? You know, you're not winning your minutes as much. And I can see how the Panthers are going gonna do a better job getting under their skin. I can see how we get into the conversation in this series a lot about will over skill. And that's something I think the Panthers are gonna win too.

The head to head that's gonna be maybe the most interesting to me is the goaltending because on paper in the regular season, Stollers has the better numbers for the last two years. That's great on paper, but in the playoffs, one has the pedigree and one doesn't, right? Stollers didn't have the experience before this year. He started hot. His game later in the series wasn't as perfect. How do you manage the Florida Panthers? Because Playoff Bobrowski has figured out his playoff demons and knows how to raise his game in this kind of situation. Can Stollers do the same thing against the guy that was his goalie partner last year? Like, I'm very curious to see if he can. You know, it's in, I'm glad you went to that third line. Cause to me, like so many times in a playoff series, if the top six wash,

what do you have after that? The one that I always point to is 2007 and that Sammy Paulson line with the Anaheim Ducks, the Johnny Gourd line with the Tampa Bay Lightning. I wonder if this Lindell line with Lister Aiden and Marchand, like it, could this be the one, could that be the line that kind of carries the Florida Panthers? Not just like, not even just through the Maple Leaf series, but if they're successful coming out of it all the way to the Stanley Cup, because that line is that good. Yeah. And go to even Vegas winning the cup, right?

Because it was William Carlson, Riley Smith together. Those were two guys that could take on matchup minutes. And most teams didn't have that third line. You had two lines that could play a matchup game. You had, I'm sorry. Yeah. Two lines that could play a matchup game, three lines that could score. Most teams don't have that at the ready. And everyone talks about you need to be able to roll four lines.

You do need to be able to trust your four lines out there. And you got to hope that they actually do something in those minutes. And, hey, Lendell and Marchand are doing that. A couple of seconds left here with you. I've made the point that the Florida Panthers play the way that they do. You look at Matthew Kachak going after Jake Ensel, Aaron Eichblad going after Brandon Hegel,

and you see every game, every shift, just going at them, going at them, going at them. The great clip of Paul Maurice that popped up over the weekend, F the plays, pound the D. you know, that's what they, I've maintained that the Florida Panthers play this way because they can, and nobody does anything and no one does anything about it. And if they're going to get a penalty, so be it, kill it.

And if they're going to get a suspension, so be it, next man up. That's the Florida Panthers. Yeah. It's a, it's a nice way to live. They have a very, very deep lineup because look, we didn't know what this team was going to look like at full strength until they got to the playoffs. Right. Because Matthew Kachuk, they got was out and they got Seth Jones. Okay. You didn't see them at full strength. Then they lost their neck, but immediately after Brad Marsham wasn't in the lineup, then he was okay. But how does Marsha look in the lineup with Kachuk? It changed everything that this team came into the playoffs at full strength with a very, very deep lineup

that they can play this way and stick to their strengths. And they know how to walk that line very well to play in a borderline way. And that's, and understand like this is playoff hockey. This is how you play. This is how you manage it. And I think everyone, but I would say Akblad handled that one a little bit better. I think that he crossed that borderline line a little bit too much and, you

know, let the playoff environment get to him a bit. But you just look at that and go, they know exactly what they're doing. And they know it because they went on that deep run two years ago and lost in Stanley Cup final, right? Like they had their backs against the wall. Nobody thought that they were going to beat the Bruins. They did it against the odds. And I think that got them this important seasoning to say, Hey, the way that you're playing got you here and got you past everyone else when you weren't expected to be. Then a year later, you learned how to lose and now you learned how to win. Right. And now they have that experience under their belt as well. They're not complacent about it. They know what they have to do and how to amp it up. And that's exactly what

they're doing. Have some news here before I let you go. David Karl has signed an extension with the University of Denver, taking himself out of the NHL mix. First of all, coaching carousel this year around the NHL is going to be fascinating here. Sullivan's the first one that goes to the New York Rangers. We're going to see what falls after this. But do you have a thought? Because he was one of like the new sharks in the water. Oh, where's David? David Carl always got to be a young team in one of the

Chicago Blackhawks. Yeah, that could work. What about the Anaheim Ducks? How do you have a thought on either A, David Carl going back to Denver or the coaching situation around the NHL? I think he did the right thing and I never thought he was going to sign with the Blackhawks. I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't think he was going to leave a good position unless it was the perfect situation for him because coaching is so fickle in the NHL. The average tenure during the year was two point three years. Now if you count all of the vacancies and yes I do that because when a new coach starts,

they're going to start at zero. So those vacancies matter and the average now across 32 teams is 2.1. Compare that to when John Cooper started in Tampa Bay in 12-13, and that average was 3.25. Still not good, still less than the other major leagues. But in hockey, if the general manager doesn't know what to do or their goaltending fails, they're gonna fire their coach.

So why would you leave a situation where you are very happy, right, for something that might only last you two years? I think you need to know that the team is where you wanna be and and that's a perfect situation for you and that management maybe isn't so quick to change their coach, right? Because if they are, why would you join the, join the masses of losing your job in two years because you have no idea what's going to work out. So, it doesn't surprise me. Coaching is a very interesting thing in this league. I think we have a lot to learn about leadership and assistant coaches and their roles and the big picture of it all. The only thing would be, and this is what kind of it always comes down to, life-changing money. I understand the idea of like I'm really comfortable and at Denver we've got a really successful program, we're graduating elite players into the NHL, I'm building my legacy, I'm building up this department, like the program is great. At Denver, the only thing with a family that would maybe sway you, and this I think what we

wondered about with David Karl is does someone offer him life-changing money? Like is that the only way? That would be the only way. I think that money will be there in a year. I think that money could be there in two years if he wants it to be like, I think the second he decides to leave NCAA, there's going to be a good job for him. Yeah.

It's a luxury. What's that? It's a luxury that I think he has that a lot of other coaches don't. Which dog is barking, by the way? That's Mika. But I will, you know can she can bark all she wants because she's the best picks out of any of the dogs. She's three for four in the east. No way. Yeah and I

think in the West she might be two for four. I think the Blues hurt her a little bit. Hmm so she comes out on top so have you done have you done second round with Mika yet? I did the full playoffs. Zuc and Kona oddly enough, both went for the Canes, but in very different ways. Zuc's fair was very big on home ice and Kona was going for the underdogs.

Mika has the leaps winning it all over the Dallas Stars. Whoa, what does mom say about that? I place a bet on whatever teams my dog tells me to, so hopefully she gets me somewhere. Capitals and Carolina Hurricanes, like tomorrow morning I'm getting on a plane, I'm going to Washington. Get to the show from Washington

for the caps in Carolina Hurricanes, then I'm going to Fort Lauderdale and gonna cover the Florida Panthers and Toronto Maple Leafs. Curious your thoughts on Carolina-Washington here. I know the Carolina Hurricanes are favored, even though Washington, it fascinates me about Washington and Winnipeg,

you know, like number one, number one in the conference and then playoffs roll around and it's Rodney Dangerfield, no respect. What do you make of Carolina Washington? I think that the models are a little more dramatic than I would be. I think with a healthy Frederick Anderson,

the Canes have a better shot, but there is one thing that really stands out and it's how evenly matched these teams really are, right? Like they have super deep lineups. They've really good lines. They have four lines, both teams, that they can rely on and trust in any situation. The other part of it is, like, you look at the Capitals all year and they had no weak links on defense.

I think the Faravari injury changes that a lot because they had to switch around their pairs in round one against Montreal, and someone like Jacob Chikrin, who didn't play matchup minutes at all in the regular season, they figured out how to maximize him without that. He was playing tougher minutes with John Carlson. So I wonder if we see any adjustments on defense for the Capitals that maybe we didn't see in round one, because now, you know, the Canes are the one team that have that really strong defense that can actually counter the Capitals. So if they're going to have the edge in this series, I think you have to make sure that this, the Caps blue line is prepared to take on just a relentless for-check from the Canes. I'm gonna let you go, but before I do, how did you refer to Silver Springs again with

Miko Ratanen? A fucking moment, I think it was? Yeah, something like that. I think I got right ahead of it. I know every time I'm on here, you're like, how quick am I gonna curse? And I was like, you know, it just came so natural. I was gonna mention, because last time you didn't, and I gave you shit when I texted you after, I'm like, I thought you were going for the title here, like to get one in early.

I don't force it. I don't force it. It just is like how I speak. If I don't have to think before I speak, there's a higher percentage chance of me cursing. Shayna, Shayna, how long have we known each other? Too long. Like, no, you don't, like what's forced is you not swearing. You come on, I'm like, I just like talked to you two hours ago and like I had to like get salt off the phone because of it.

Oh, by the way. You are not that much cleaner than me. Oh, I totally am. No, squeaky clean, squeaky clean, squeaky clean. That's me, a hundred percent squeaky clean. One final one as well, because we have a mutual love for pickles. What is the best pickle thing you've had lately?

One final one as well because we have a mutual love for pickles. What is the best pickle thing you've had lately? um I got oh I got the pickle menu at um Popeyes, they had a whole pickle menu. They had pickle wings did not love them kind of greasy pickle chicken sandwich And I think it was like pickle brine on the chicken. It was absolutely delicious But the star of the show was the pickle lemonade. It was so good And I think it's because they used a half sour pickle flavoring to go with the lemonade. Not a full sour?

Not a full sour dill? No, I think it was a half sour, but I tried a pickle Marg the week before to make it. And it said it was bread and butter juice and it was disgusting. It was not good. That's too sweet. That's too sweet.

It just didn't work. So I think half sour is the way to go. The lemonade was perfection. That was one of my favorite texts from you of recent note. I just, just a picture of the pickle lemonade. Like, okay, Shayna's got something new. Shayna's got a new favorite. You are the best.

Thanks so much for yucking it up about the great Annie O'Donnell tweet and everything NHL. Enjoy the, enjoy the second round. We will be checking back regularly here on the program. Thank you so much, Shana. Class dismissed. Thanks for having me. Mother's Day is coming up.

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your podcasts. Hopefully see you soon. There she is, Shana Goldman from The Athletic and the Too Many Men podcast. We are standing by still for Cole Perfetti. I wonder if there's a time zone issue with Cole. We're standing by trying to get one of the heroes from last night in a really exciting game. I don't know about you, I've kind of watched a lot of hockey. I suspect if you're watching or listening to a show like this, you've probably watched

a lot of hockey too. I don't know that it was, it was the most exciting game sevens back to back I think that I may have ever seen. I'm trying to think back, like there have been like really dramatic game sevens that I've loved. I'll always go back to 1987 with a couple of big game sevens. The Stanley Cup final itself with the Philadelphia Flyers and the Edmonton Oilers. That game seven was incredible. Oilers winning the Stanley Cup and that one. Actually you know what? The game six of that series, if I can go back in

history a little bit here, 1987 Flyers and Oilers game six, and that overtime when JJ Daniel scored, I don't know if I've ever heard a building as loud in hockey as Philadelphia was, sending this thing into game seven. But nonetheless, there was also, and Kelly Rudy was talking about this on hockey night, the Easter epic between the Washington Capitals and the New York Islanders that was Mason staring down Rudy and that was Pat LaFontaine

with the spin and the shot and it was like I don't know 1 32 o'clock in the morning morning for anyone who was watching that game and stuck with that game it is one of those where were you when moments when Pat LaFontaine scored. I was at a house party at my friend John Hata's house on just off of Baby Point which I always thought was really cool because that was where

that was where Yuri Seira, former Toronto Maple Leafs netminder lived. I always walked by his house and wonder, if I knocked on the door, I wonder if Yuri Seira would come out. And then if he did come out, what would I say? Not the same thing with Boria Salming. When I used to live in the west end of Toronto because he lived down the street and John Tavares actually, although I don't think he lives there anymore, used to live right across from the house that was Boria Solming's house and Boria Solming would always be there on Halloween giving out candies for example. I always wondered if I'd

knocked on the door and he answered, what would I say other than, wow you're Boreasalming. And I, and he would say, yes. And anyhow, long winded wave of saying, it's baby point, west end of Toronto on the border of Toronto and Etobicoke, Pat Lafontaine, scored, I remember going downstairs, the party was over. It's like no one around. I walked home down in that street. Anyway, that is my story about that game seven, which was one of the more epic game sevens that we have seen. Zach, how are we doing on Cole Profetti?

They may have a time zone issue with Cole. Yeah, I'm wondering if that's the case here as well. Still don't have them here, but we'll get them on it trying to get something. Yeah, if if he hops on that's great. Apologies, I will give the the Jets a buzz after this one and see what's up. We'll get them on another time. Also, you have a by the way, ever thought on anything that Shayna and I just sort of chin wagged about there over the last little while? Yeah, not really happy to have heard her talk

about the Panthers that way, and then after what I heard you talk about and what you've told me about, because I agree with all of it, but I just didn't need to hear any of that. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. The one thing I kind of, maybe it's a personal thing here as I'm gonna approach the summer with the Leafs the way that we are and certain player who's coming up to free

agency in number 16, but I understand the sentiment about the star players and if you have them you keep them and you just get it done. I always have had a little bit of a pushback there on some of that and I understand now losing to him specifically is going to make that sting a whole lot worse losing Miko Rantanen but I do think that there is an element here to how does it fit within your team and making sure you don't let players just take all the money they want because the last contract negotiations that did happen in Toronto you opened that door where it was like okay John Tavares come on in sign the contract whoops there comes three contracts after where it's like all three of them ended up getting eaten up and yes I think the Leafs were expecting that cap to go up and have more flexibility it It doesn't end up being the case.

They got hammered by the pandemic. Yes, they did. And then the salary cap was flat. I know all teams felt it, but most specifically, I know Bricky would always say that Dubas needed to beat one of them up in the contract negotiation, but instead he just said, look, the cap is going up. Let's keep our team happy here. I get it.

Yeah. My thing is just looking at that. I understand. I feel like if they look at Miko Rantanen, Nathan McKinnon, and Kale McCarr, they probably deem him the most expendable of the three. So they said, okay, you don't want to fall in line, you're not gonna sign this contract knowing what you're going to have to potentially end up doing here with

the Kelle McCarr stuff coming up. They might've just decided to make an example of this contract and this situation. Now we'll see how this plays out in the summer and what they decide to do. But I mean, Jeff, I would argue that they made great moves. It just didn't pan out. It's not like they went and got Brock Nelson and he wasn't a good player and you shouldn't have got Brock Nelson or Charlie Coyle, et cetera, the goaltenders that they got. I think that there was some underperforming that happened. Things just didn't click at the right time.

So maybe they just went and did too much at once, but I don't think that the moves that were made were wrong. I just think maybe it was just too much at once, but I don't think that the moves that were made were wrong. I just think maybe it was just too much the right, wrong time. Colby and I were talking about this this morning on Morning Cup of Hockey that, you know, you look at all the moves and they all make complete sense. Understand that, you're gonna reinforce this,

you're gonna win down the middle, here come three new centers, here come two new goals, like all of it, all makes sense. You just wonder if it was, especially those guys that came in at trade deadline, too many all at the same time. I don't know, it's gonna be an interesting dissection for the Colorado Avalanche in this theme.

I do wanna pick up on something that Jay Rosehill tweeted out in a couple of seconds, but we're gonna get there by talking about tonight's matchup. The sheet is powered by FanDuel, our friends, our presenters, they are home of the same game, Parlay. Make every moment more on FanDuel. FanDuel, proud to connect fans

to the major sports moments that matter to them. Now, I don't know if you have it handy. I'm kind of calling an audible here, but J. Rose Hill's tweet, and we'll see the Maple Leafs, and by the way, for tonight, there's the lone game tonight. It's the Florida Panthers facing off against the Toronto Maple Leafs, game one. Second round, this one is in Toronto.

Rosehill's tweet was something along the lines of, after seeing how Rantanen's performing in the playoffs, how Marner's camp can ask for anything more than $12 million. So here's something that I tell my kids, Zach, one day, if slash when you're a dad, this would be the advice I'd give you as a parent. Go to your bookshelf.

Take the dictionary off the shelf. Go to the letter F. In the page that has the word fair on it, rip it out. I have this idea that fair is actually a thing. There's no such thing as fair. You don't get what's fair. You get what you negotiate. That's it.

And the sooner everybody can wrap their heads around that, the better everyone is. I know that we teach children that fair is a thing, and it's great when they're young and understand, like, you know, work hard, you deserve this, etc. etc. But then you grow up and you realize, hey, fair doesn't exist. It's one of those moments where reality smacks you in the face whether you're the last cut on a team Whether you just got passed over for a job or whatever or someone got a bigger salary than you for doing the exact same work You say well, that's not fair always catch yourself and remember fair does not exist in any universe that has human beings in it. That's why I look at

that and I say, okay yeah, Renton has been exceptional in the postseason, both with the avalanche and now with the Dallas Stars. To me it's irrelevant when someone's a free agent, because if you have the Toronto Maple Leaf beliefs offering 12 million dollars in the Detroit Red Wing say here's 14, you think Martin Luther's camp is gonna say, you know what 14 is not fair, 12 is. I'm gonna take that. Has nothing to do, in arbitration, sure. Like I had a, I'll give you a little glimpse into my weekend, I had a conversation with one NHL general manager and we were talking about the conversation that I had with Pierre Maguire with one NHL general manager and we're talking about the conversation that I had with Pierre Maguire last week about Evan Bouchard and we're talking about is

he more valuable in arbitration than he is as a free agent and this manager said no you guys are wrong you guys are wrong about this and I said well tell me why I said you know in arbitration what'll happen is like if Evan Bouchard's in arbitration what'll happen is oh they if Evan Bouchard's in arbitration, what'll happen is, oh, they mixed up time zones? I knew it. Okay, so we'll get, we will get Perfetti on. We just got a note from the Winnipeg Jets

who mixed up time zones. ETCT happens. So he said, listen, you go into arbitration, the player will say, my client, my client deserves the Rasmus Dallin number, so like 11 million. And the team will say, hold on a second here, we'll look at platform year, we'll look at game played,

we'll look at time on ice. He's probably closer to the Vince Dunn, seven million. And the arbitrator will look at both and will kind of come in sort of right in between maybe like a 9.5. And then he said to me, do you not think that on the open market? Evan Bouchard will get more than nine point five million dollars. Oh

Yeah, you're probably right. So maybe he isn't quite as valuable And in arbitration as he would be in the free agent market, but but that's but that's an interesting one But that is where sort of fair comes into it You know is he Rasmus Dalinins 11 or is he Vince Dunn 7? An arbitrator will pick somewhere in between there. Fair only exists when you're in a negotiation like that. But when it's an unrestricted free agent situation, say Detroit offers 14. Say Boston offers 14. Boston offers 14. My thing is, and I don't want to speak for Rosie, but having talked to him about some of this stuff and

understand and trying to understand what he's saying. I know what he's trying to say. I get it. Yeah, he's just saying if you're the Leafs, I think more so you're effectively saying if you're the Leafs looking at this, you're probably saying, okay, 12 and then saying to Marner's camp, how can you ask for more than 12 given what Ranton did? Again, I completely get what you're saying. The answer is? Where Detroit comes in and offers 14, you're going to take that.

You're not just going to say, well, no, we'll take the 12 because that's what Ranton got. I just think that he's proposing this more so from a Leaf side and saying like, how can Marner's Camp ask for more than 12 in that negotiation with the Maple Leafs, I think is more so the point. But I do understand what you're saying and if they come over the top, then yeah.

You know why they can ask for 12 or more than 12? Same reason why the Florida Panthers play the way that they do. Because they can. Market's gonna decide this one. And all these fans don't like hearing it. I mean, I saw the clips too that came out today. Haven't watched the show, but Ryan Whitney and Biz were talking about Marner and the playoffs here and I agree with Whit basically saying like this is the biggest playoff

series of Marner's career. Part of it that he was pointing out was if he blows the doors off to Panthers he's the best player on the Leafs there's going to be Leafs fans and probably people in that organization. We're gonna say blank check Write your number. Let's move on if he doesn't if He does what he has done in years past when things get tight in the playoffs. I Mean I'm serious. I'm saying this more from a fan base perspective of things Jeff But like there's gonna be people in this fan base who are just not gonna want to see him sign here for any number. Like it's not even like five million dollars there's gonna be people now obviously I'm exaggerating a bit but people who are like are you kidding me I don't want to see this

guy here anymore like get it rid of it. But it's just gonna be one of those ones where he does really well and does what we all think he should be able to do. Yeah, pay the guy. Like and does what we all think he should be able to do, yeah, pay the guy. Like, that's what we expect. But if he doesn't, people are just going to want to get this guy so far away from this city that it's just going to be like, get him out, let's move on, let's try something else in the summer.

And then he'll go play on a different team surrounded by tougher players that help him as opposed to him helping everybody else and everybody in Toronto will say where was that? That's fine that's fine what if they bring in tougher players to help play alongside Matthews and Marner and Nylander and then those guys get going I know I understand what you're saying I just the flip side of it for me, but I do get what you're saying Okay So got the time zone mix up and that's cool. We'll get cold profetti on a different time We're really at a couple of different times like right there with getting caught. We will get cold profetti on the program Apologies that we weren't able to make them available for you, but we will remedy that

And congratulations again to the Winnipeg Jets for moving on in a thriller. Holy smokes man like I don't know man good luck round two like that weekend like set the bar high for everybody like okay that's round one now round two what do you got for us here thanks so much to Shannon Goldman as always for stopping by from the Athletic and the Too Many Men podcast. Quick programming note as well. So tomorrow morning I'm off to Washington. I'll be there until Friday morning covering the Capitals Carolina Hurricane Series.

So this show time will move from 3 o'clock Eastern to 1 o'clock Eastern. So a couple of hours earlier, kind of like what we did when we were in Ottawa last week, mainly to try to give enough time for the show to get off the air and some buffer zone until the game starts. So the show's on the air for the remainder of the week at one o'clock Eastern. So it'll be from Washington from tomorrow until Thursday

and then Friday and then a special Sunday edition from Florida for games three and four between the Florida Panthers and the Toronto Maple Leaf. So we're on the road. If you see me, if you're going to any of the games, please stop by and say hello, please stop by and say hi. Look forward to meeting people.

I love it. That's the big perk of doing this gig is you get to meet people that you read in the chat, or you hear from on Twitter, or you just know, you heard me for a long time on various shows, you bumped into me at the rink, please don't ever be shy about coming over and saying hey, and no, I don't mind talking hockey.

It's kind of what I've done my whole life, and I'm always gonna do it, okay? So if you bump into me, please say hi. Thanks to Zach, our producer, Zach Phillips, the great, who is gonna be in, you know, like we know Leafs fans, like they get on the Ferris wheel, they get on the merry-go-round, they get on the roller coaster as it relates

to this hockey team. And if you have a friend or family member, it's gonna sound like a PSA, if you have a friend or family member, it's kind of sound like a PSA, if you have a friend or family member or fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs, cut them a lot of slack because now things get really hard and their nerves are going to be right there underneath the skin and they might be a little touchy, they might be a little tired, they might be a little angry at times as well. Just cut them a lot of slack. Just a little PSA from your buddy Jeff to you.

Thanks for joining me today. Whether you're watching on YouTube or in the chat, you're listening on your favorite podcast platform or you're watching on various social media apps, we always appreciate it. Thanks for this. We will get to cold profetti, I swear, on one of these shows coming it. Thanks for this. We will get Colbert Fetty, I swear, on one of these shows coming up. Thanks for joining me again. My broadcast day is over.

Talk to you tomorrow, one o'clock Eastern, in Washington in advance of game one between the Capitals and the Carolina Hurricanes. Have a great rest of your day. Enjoy the Panthers and the Leafs tonight. You try to give me a little medicine I'm like, no, man, that's fine I'm not against those methods, but you It's me, myself, and how this gon' be fixing my mind I do want a record I turn down the music

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