The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Robertson signs, Greaves avoids arbitration, and Kane returns to Chicago ft. David Pagnotta

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

On today’s episode of The Sheet, Jeff Marek is joined by David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period and Daily Faceoff. The Jason Robertson saga is over! The Stars have signed the three-time 40 goal scorer to a one-year deal worth $12 million that will walk up to unrestricted free agency next July.The Columbus Blue Jackets also made headlines, avoiding arbitration with goaltender Jet Greaves. The 25-year old netminder will be under contract in Columbus for three more years at a $5 million AAV. What does this mean for CBJ's other RFAs in Cole Sillinger and Adam Fantilli? Jeff and Dave discuss.The final piece of contract news this morning came from Chicago, as Patrick Kane will return to the Blackhawks for his 20th NHL season. The future Hall of Famer spent his first 16 years in the league with Chicago, winning 3 Stanley Cups with the Hawks. He's back in the Windy City for two more seasons after signing as a free agent.#TheSheet #NHL #NHLOffseason #NHLFreeAgency #Hockey #DallasStars #Stars #JasonRobertson #Robertson #Blackhawks #chicagoblackhawks #PatrickKane #Kane #BlueJackets #ColumbusBlueJackets #GreavesSHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Canadian Blood Services: https://www.blood.ca/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oh, hi there once again. Welcome to another edition of The Sheet. Glad to have you aboard today for this Thursday, July 23rd, as our summer series of shows continues. Tuesdays and Thursdays will be the staple. After that, we're going to see what the news is and see what the stories are. And the bigger they are, the more shows we're going to do. How about that? And there are still some things that are on the horizon. Although some things here towards the end of the week have now been cleaned up.

But do point to even larger questions. on the program today. We have a number of things to get to. We're going to talk to Dave Pan Yoda here in a couple of moments. DFO Insider will stop by the program. Him and Earth did a great show yesterday. I highly encourage you to check that one out. DFO Rundown Inside Insider Edition.

So Dave's going to stop by here in a couple of moments. Also being talking about the Jason Robertson saga. I don't want to say it's come to an end because I don't think that anyone really thinks that this is the end of the Jason Robertson situation. There has been a temporary pause where Jason Robertson will play for the Dallas stars. How about we frame it that way? It's a one-year deal.

We'll talk about this with Dave coming up in a couple of moments. Jed Greaves narrow, narrowly avoids getting into the room where Mike Milbury once made Tommy Sallow cry. Did not get into the arbitration room. They did a three-year deal, $5 million per season, $15 million. is the compensation. So as Jetgreaves woke up versus as when Jetgreaves goes to bed later on today, ask yourself how your day was because Jet Greaves's day netted him $15 million. We'll talk about that as well. Speaking of money, Pat Kane returns to Chicago. It's the feel good story of the day. It's Pat Kane back to where it all began at an $8 million AV.

that was a number, I think, that raised a lot of eyebrows. And I think it's a number that we looked at and said, okay, so that's why it's Chicago and out Buffalo for Patrick Kane. Also, I want to play a couple of clips for you on the program today. And one of them is going to revolve around the idea of a three goalie system. And it comes off a conversation with Talley Ramchuk and Carter Hutton with Jake Allen, netminder for the New Jersey Devils. We're going to play that a little bit later on.

and also going to play another clip from the coming and hot podcast here on the Nation Network, a conversation with Steve Staeos. And in the clip you'll hear later on, I'll talk about the top six composition for the Ottawa senators heading into next season. In the meantime, Jacob, you're going to let me know when Dave is aboard? Dave is ready to go. Dave is ready to rock. Okay, let's bring up a board without further ado.

And we have a quick note about the Allender's off the top with Dave as well. How you doing, partner? Good to see you again. How about jet grease narrowly getting in? Yeah. Like just missing it. You know, like we've said, I think this was the closest. Like you followed this really close.

Like was this the closest since Troy Terry where like I think they're like about to open the door. And then all of a sudden Verbeek and a contract emerged somehow that said they made everybody happy. But this was like by the skin of the teeth. Yeah. I think he was going to bed last night going, uh, this is not going to be. Yeah. world's going to suck. But it doesn't.

It doesn't. 15 million reasons why it doesn't suck for Jack Reeves. And a good number for him. And I think, you know, and people have to remember, it wasn't one or the other in terms of what the numbers are in terms of what's being submitted. Yeah. You know, prior. So, you know, you find somewhere that sweet spot in the middle and you incorporate the term into it. And I think, I think it's a solid deal that, you know, you know.

Maybe could have happened a little sooner for his sanity's sake, but he gets it done anyway. He does. And Jet Grieves this year was one of the great, he was one of the great goaltending stories in the NHL. I mean, he took the number one spot away from Elvis Merslickens. We also saw what he did for Team Canada at the World Championships. And we're wondering about, you know, Jet Grieves in the next Olympic cycle and getting ahead of ourselves here because he hasn't even played 100 games in the, in the NHL. But he's $15 million richer. I mean, he really has had a sort of debutante's baller coming out party.

But let me bracket the Jack Reeves conversation here for one second and focus on something I like to call the barking chain or the whispering class. Evan Gold. So nothing's done, obviously. But, you know, Evan Gold has stepped away from the Boston Bruins to pursue other opportunities. I do believe, amongst others, that he is going to end up with New York Islanders. In what capacity, I am not sure. They have a number of assistant general managers there already. But nonetheless, and I'm sure you've heard the same thing running in the same crowds,

that it does look like it's lining up here for Evan Gold to land with the New York Islanders, which, and you know Matthew Darsh, and you unearthed that great interview earlier this year on your podcast with the Islanders general manager. That does make some sense as Matthew Darsh tries to put together a very progressive front office. Your thoughts on this one, which hasn't happened yet. can't, I don't think, until August 1st when his contract inspires. Yeah, and, you know, keep in mind, the people have to keep in mind as well. Like, Evan Gold was pretty coveted. He was in the race for the Canucks gig.

Toronto. You know, down to it and, you know, wasn't going for, I don't think the contract made sense for him and he's, you know, sought out other opportunity or has since sought out other opportunities. But he was in the mix, yeah, Toronto and others as well, as you mentioned, for the GM role. And if it is the Islanders, if he is jumping in. in with that organization. I mean, they're just further bolstering and strengthening their management staff.

You know, no question. And there was some talk as we were getting a little bit after the season wrap for the Islanders that, you know, maybe they were considering making a few moves within the managerial ranks, somewhere in the front office to kind of reshape it a little bit. There was talk to maybe some people might be out, some people might be in, or at least positionally where they'd like to add. So it wouldn't surprise me at all.

You know, if that ends up being the, that ends up being the case. I'm sure there are other teams that would love to get their, their tentacles around a guy and a hockey mind, smart mind, like gold. But if it ends up being the Islanders, again, this is what they would have wanted since the offseason to further strengthen the front office. And if it ends up being that, then they would have definitely done so if it gets to that point. You know, he's really, you know, you always look for sort of people that distinguish themselves in a marketplace, whether they get a job or they don't.

And like sometimes, and you know this Dave, like sometimes getting interviewed is sometimes a favor to some people to get them on the, you've seen this before, right? And the one thing you never, the one thing you never want to be is the sort of perennial finalist because then you always have that tag. But it's important along the way to like this guy was all. And this, listen, this happened to Matthew Darsh too. Yeah. You know, it's, it's always good to sort of go deeper into various teams processes when they're, hiring for positions because it gets your name out there. And part of all of this is, and I keep telling, you know, various people that just sort of

lean back and wait for people to come to them. Like, marketing yourself is never a bad idea at any level. And I think that Evan Gold, like this was the year where, like, everybody in hockey is always known Evan Gold. But this was the year that Evan Gold really popped onto everybody's radar. And everybody asked a question, who is this guy, Evan Gold, that everyone keeps hearing about? and now I want to say the majority of people understand the story because he went so deep with Vancouver to your point

and went deep with Toronto. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, just echoing that, I mean, on a lot of radars. And, you know, yeah, this was kind of, you know, in the playoffs, there's always that one player that has that coming out party where we all know how good he is, but man, the spotlight's really on this kid now. Yeah, Logan's Dan, COVID, what?

Yes, yeah, exactly. There were a few Miller. We don't know how good you are, but holy crap, wow, you're that guy. Like kind of same from this extent here. Okay, this guy's, you know, we see certain AGMs or, you know, guys that just jump on with management. And over the years, you see, okay, he's going to get that shot at some point. Like, eventually that spotlight's going to go on.

And that's exactly what happened, as you highlighted, with Evan Gold this summer, or this offseason anyway, with the amount of interest and how much in play he was for some of the gigs that were out there. So yeah, if it ends up being the Islanders, that's awesome for that organization, because it's another strong hockey mind. They do wonder about some of the other guys that are there. I believe Chris Lamarillo and Pellegrini as well are entering or have entered the final year

of their contracts. So what does that mean for them? If they're making an addition, is it just adding on top of what they've got? It would be certainly interesting, but that would be a heck of a home run ad. for the islanders they pulled this off absolutely um so again this is like from from the the the whispering circles we'll call it the barking the barking d nchel barking chain it looks like um there is a sort of match out there early august for uh evan gold and the new york islanders so much in life not just in hockey is about timing and getting the timing right and that leads you to that leads you

me to a couple of things here. One, the Jason Robertson situation and one the Detroit Red Wings General Manager search situation, both of which, like when I look at Detroit, and we'll get into this in a second, I say to myself, man, they could have done themselves a world of better if this decision hadn't been made or this conclusion had been arrived to in April. Yes. Instead, here they are. But Jason Robertson. So Jason Robertson, Jim Nill and the Dallas Stars planted their flag at $12 million. That was their number.

And if Jason Robertson wanted it, it was his. Now, I believe that came up from what the offer was at the beginning of the year, which was probably the Thomas Harley contract. If Jason Robertson wanted that, they would have just, they just would have done a photocopy and handed it to them and changed some names. Here you go, that's your deal. You can have the same thing. So Dallas did come up over the year to $12 million, but they're uncomfortable going any

further than that. along the way and Robertson did not want to discuss the past. I'm not here to discuss the past, said Mark and once upon a time. I'm not in front of Congress. But along the way, like there were trades that were discussed with various teams. There were, you know, monster proposals put in front of Dallas for Jason Robertson, whether it was Seattle, whether it was St. Louis. I believe there was at least one Eastern Conference team that had a offer

similar to what Seattle ended up offering Dallas for Jason Robertson, it didn't get anywhere, and they arrive at a one-year, $12 million deal. Now, they can negotiate again in January, but the way that I, on a longer deal, if they wish, the way that I look at this one, I phrased this before he came on this way, this is not the end of the Jason Robertson saga. No. They hit pause, and Jason Robertson is going to continue to play for the Dallas Stars. I look at this and say, the next decision is going to be made in December.

And if Robertson's playing well and Dallas looks like they're a Stanley Cup quality team, then there's probably something big there if Jason Robertson wants it. If not, all bets are off. Do you agree with that? And that decision is probably early December. Yeah, yeah. And this is exactly, you're exactly right. This is hitting pause on this situation.

Like there were, the blood was boiling as these negotiations picked up as we got a round draft. You think? Yeah. Boiling over. This was, there's still, I've got to imagine a little bit of, on both sides, a little bit of animosity and, you know, some rough feelings here that need to be kind of, you know, patched up or smoothed out. But they have time now to do this. Now that they got this done. And look, there are some people that also wondered, well, why the heck couldn't this have been done three weeks ago?

Why couldn't you just have gone, you know what, let's do one year, let's get it done, and then we'll worry about the rest afterwards. But they didn't. They waited. Both sides waited. Both sides kind of held firm and planted themselves in both of their corners. And Robertson wanting 14 plus, you know, from from Dallas and wanting it in Dallas. And then the stars, obviously, as you mentioned earlier, they were set on 12 and they weren't budging on that. So, you know, you get the number, but the term drops down. And again, this is exactly what you say. This is pause.

Let's let's all cool down. Let's relax a little bit. Let them focus on the season or getting ready for the season. And then once the season hits, let's see how we all do. And if he's having that good year that everybody still anticipates him having, myself included. Yeah. And yeah, let's let's get the conversation going again into,

and let's see where both sides are. And is Dallas now, if he's on pace for a 90-100-point season, does Dallas now go, all right, we understand the marketplace has changed. We'll go to 13. And Robertson's campus said, you're right, the marketplace has changed. It's 15 or whatever. Look at the new cap space coming in. Look at Tyler Sagan's deal coming off.

Oh, yeah. Like, it could line up great here for Robertson. It really could. Yeah. assuming that Jim Hill and the Dallas stars are willing to accept the fact that this is where the market's now going. And, I mean, 15 may be low if he's on pace for 100 points by halfway through the season. So look at the landscape of the rest of the league where the money's going. Yeah, you're probably looking at above the 14.

But we'll cross that bridge now in six months. The one thing that I do wonder about here, that is a wild card. And I don't expect this to happen. but look, like they just had to get rid of Maverick Bork. I mean, part of a lot of that is, you know, threat of an offer sheet. You know, one person mentioned to me that they were of the belief that had Robertson come in on 12 earlier, there was perhaps another deal that Dallas could have done instead of doing this deal, and they would have been able to keep Maverick Bork in the process.

And I went back with like, I don't know what to say to that other than that really sucks because all of a sudden you went from a team that had like little. Logan Stankhoven and Maverick Bork as like the future cornerstones of this operation. Now one's got a Stanley Cup in Carolina. And the other is on a very improved Nashville Predators team. Boy is Chris McFarland done some great work there with that squad in the off season. So he's gone. So I think the wild card too is bluntly, what if Dallas is no good next year?

Yeah. If they regress and it's entirely, it's entirely, it's entirely possible. Listen, every year, every year there's one team. There's like one 100 point team that just like vanishes the next year. What happens if it's Dallas? Yeah. That to me is the wild card here with the Jason Robertson,

the next phase of the Jason Robertson story. Yeah, because I'm curious to see like, okay, Colorado's Colorado and minis, many, and they'll, I think they'll remain or maintain their paces of play. I'm curious about St. Louis. You mentioned Nashville, Utah, considerably improved. Utah. Yeah, like this is going to be a tough battle for,

forget about first in the division, just third in the division to get out of that wild card positioning. This is going to be a hell of a race in that central. So it's entirely possible. And look, yeah, that Dallas drops. But, of course, you know, you look at Robert. And you look at Ranting in and Harley and Heiskin in and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You left that were at, you left that were at Ski because I don't think that one's done either.

Oh, not yet. But like there's so much talent there that, you know, yeah, they're still going to be in there. But with the other teams, like this is, it's entirely possible that they drop back a little bit. If they, you know, it was an off night here and off night there and suddenly, well, where are we in in the standings? And that could certainly all this to say and to agree with you that this. could certainly affect how things end up playing out with Robertson and his and in his situation. But again, for now, it's deep breaths, calm down, drink some water. Let's get back at this later on.

And I think that's everyone's kind of, you know, subscribe to that right now anyway. It was into the way everything got really, really quiet over the last two weeks. And it was just like, okay, are you going to take the number now? It was almost like, you remember during the 20405 negotiations for the NFL Association? Oh, God. Don't make me go back. But I mean, every day was the same message. And it was the best thing you could have got was yesterday.

The best thing you could. And that was like the only message until finally the Players Association caved at a time when there was no pressure point. But that was like this one. And then at the end of it all, he just took the 12. And, you know, I'll tell you what, Dave, like, I don't think you're going to see any players of the Dallas Stars go on record and say this. But I'm of the firm belief that there were some guys that were pretty upset about this. I shouldn't say, I believe.

I know this. And I'm sure that there were plenty of players that were calling Jason Roberts and saying, what are you doing? We got a really good thing here. 12 was a really good number. It's Dallas. It's no, you're not doing this in, in Quebec. or Ontario or Manitoba, like you're not doing this.

You're doing this in Texas, right? Like, what are we doing here? Because players do talk and they talk amongst one another. So at one point I thought to myself, yeah, what's it going to be like going back into the room? And my answer is, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, because a lot of those conversations among the players

were taking place last month when things really, you know, draft things were getting heated and the negotiation was there and Dallas says the heck with this let's start talking other teams like this is nuts and Seattle didn't happen and there was interest from other clubs and all those discussions and you know there there was a lot of there was a point of frustration from a lot of guys a lot of teammates and which is understandable and that this is not exclusive to this situation like this happens in other circumstances as well that are similar but you know based on this situation, it's happened. And, you know, hey man, look, we've got a good thing here. As you said, we got a really good thing here. And we can keep Maverick work as part of the

equation. And we can, you know, make these other things happen. Like, let's all do this as a team. And, you know, I'm sure, again, even from that side, deep breath, things will cool down a little bit. But I'm with you. I'm curious to see what that dynamic is in September. Okay. I'm going to lay something on you that's pretty vicious. But we're going to pause it for one second. So I wanted to a little bit more on Jack Reeves. I think, I know you. I think you're going going to like this thinking. So Jack Reeve signs a three-year contract, $15 million, five per. We saw the, you know, what Columbus had come in at, and that was a sort of Artur-Shilov's Arvid Soderblom, Joel Hofer style offer. Yeah. Not starting goaltenders. You know,

you mentioned yesterday, I believe, quite correct. on Insider edition about Lucas Dostal. I looked at that and said, like, maybe it's like Dustin Wolf and probably somewhere in between the two. And I think, like, those are the two ranges we were looking at. Like, I think that you and Earthfully nailed that one with Dostal as well. The thing about this now, first of all, happy for the player. Do you have a quick thought on Jetgreaves with the Columbus Blue Jackets? And maybe if you have a spicy thought on him and team Canada in 2030, your thought

on the Jack Reed's deal, then I want to move into something a little bit insidious here. Uh-huh. I wonder what direction that is. Oh, it's a good. I was like, when he told me this, I'm like, oh, I wish I would have part of that. It's so good. Well, look, yeah, 2030. I mean, yeah, I think I think he's going to be on that radar, even in 28 when we start getting towards World Cup talk.

But, yeah, look, I think, I think good deal for him. I don't think, like, it didn't seem like they were close, yesterday on this situation. And that's why this is so, like, right before the doors open, like, here's the deal. Let's get it done as we were talking about earlier. But like, I like the deal. I like the deal for both sides. Like, it's, and, you know, he's, he's the guy moving forward. Where's Leakins? They've been, they, they were exploring some options there. He's, what, 5.3, something like that. You know, and finally year of his deal. So the reins are shifting. 5.4 last year. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the,

tide shifting, it's going in his direction and Greaves's direction. And look, I think it's a good deal. You said it earlier, not even 100 games. So, you know, let's see what we got here overall. And it's a risk on both sides, I think, but not a huge one. And certainly one that obviously both sides are comfortable with and locking them in. I like the number. Yeah, you know, the one thing that I do like about it is that they got this number without going into the room where Jetgreaves,

who is going to be Columbus's start. for the next 10 years, we suspect, doesn't have to hear the things you hear in arbitration. Yeah. I mentioned off the topic, we all remember how Tommy Sallow was crushed by Mike. Mike, he cried in the arbitration room. Like, I understand, like, you should treat goal,

he shouldn't treat goalies in a different than defenseman or forwards, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But goalies in arbitration, man, like you hear, all players will hear things that they can never forget in arbitration. Ask, ask, ask Brendan Morrison what that way. was all about with Brian Burke. Yeah. You know,

with the mouse and the elephant. Like, that story is legendary. But you never want to take, you never want to start off a relationship with, like, Dave, your new starting goal tenderer by getting him into a room where you're trying to tear him down to save a dime.

Last thing you want. Last thing you want. No, no, that wouldn't have benefited anybody at all. And with, with everything that they've already got to deal with and had to deal with and I'm sure going to continue to deal with other things.

Yeah. This is, this was the smart move for don't even go anywhere near that room. Get this done, locking in, and away you go. And again, I like the number for the player and I like the number for the team because this could have been higher, which, you know, they're getting there cap wise. All right. Capwise. Glad you brought that up. So Cole Cillinger on Monday.

Let's say he gets five. Right now they're at 17.2. Take five off of that. and we're 12 and change around $13 million. That's round up for Columbus's benefit here. So I was talking to one ex-manager last night. I said, what would you do in this situation if you wanted to get Adam Fantilli? And he said, the minute that their salary cap got to 12 or 13, about 30 seconds later, I would call Don Waddell.

And I would say this, tomorrow you will. be receiving a $17 million offer sheet for Adam Fantilli, unless you trade me, Dimitri Voronkoff. Ooh. Ooh. You're going to that direction. I was like, oh.

And it's not going to be market value. Ooh, damn. Right? That's the, like, that's the side of like, when you start to get to the offer sheet game here, like that's the, like the thread of the offer sheet and what comes beside it. Because that one is vicious.

Either you're getting the, if you don't trade me Varancoff at this price, this is the offer sheet you're getting. And I'm sure your owner ain't going to be thrilled to write that check. That is. What do you think, Dave? I see that smile, but that's spicy.

That's spicy. And damn, that's dangerous too. Oh, yeah, it is. because it's not going to be just one team doing this. Totally. Like there's,

there's going to be others going, wait a second. There will be vultures. There will be vultures here for Columbus. Cillinger's coming and that could take him to 1213. Did anyone think that Columbus is going to be a salary cap team next year? And again, I'll come back to the,

I'll come back to the same team that I keep banging on here. If you're Seattle, how are you not thinking this? Yeah. I mean, look, the swings that they've taken. They tried for Robertson. They tried for Panarin in season.

Tried for Cairo last summer. They tried for others. Other big pieces. Robert Thomas, I believe, too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Training for, like, they've, they've, all the potential big cats that have been either.

Bottero has been swinging. Like, I got to give it to Bottero. Like, for Seattle fans, like, you got a GM that's in there swinging. Full respect to Jason Bottero. Full credit and respect. Yeah, 100%. Like, this is what you want.

You want your, you want your GM and your manager. team being this aggressive. Now, unfortunately for them, they've been swinging misses. But at least the deal was in place for Robertson. He just wasn't willing to accept the extension, so you're not doing it. Yeah.

Man, if you're Seattle, like... How do you not? Yeah, you look at it and you go, well, we want a number one center. We want a first line caliber player. You go him and Benares won two. You got the money. clearly, and you're willing to spend it.

So, and if you're out of Tantilly. Is there a team that needs it more? And again, like up the gut, Benares, Michigan, uh, Fantilli, Michigan, the general manager, Michigan, Sam Muskevich, they bring in, Michigan. You're just turning this into the Seattle Wolverines, like, just change the name already. Yeah, I mean, the only other team that I would say needs as badly is Columbus. Yeah. Yes, you're right.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Man, that's, that's, that's, I see. You get an offer sheet or you trade me for a 13 mil offer sheet. And then like at that point, if even if you do that, then you have other. Or Marchenko. Or Marchenko.

Now we want more chenko or now we want this player. And if you're if you're Waddell, you're probably going, okay, well, pause for a quick second. I need more than a few hours here because now I've got to come up with a contract to keep Ventilly to get it done now so that somebody else isn't playing me the way that you're about to play me right now. So, like, this is fine. Let's agree to these trade terms. And I need to get this kid signed at $12 million or, you know, whatever, 10 million or whatever it ends up being.

I don't know the 12th going to get it done. I don't think so. I'm just saying, like, you have to go back to them and go, okay, Adam and Company, we're prepared to do this. And if they say no, then it's like, oh, yeah, now you get to a spot where it's not just, man, that's so, that's. so I like it. Yeah, because that's why I like it. That's why I want this person back in the NHL. This is, this is dangerous and, but like the good guy, I like it.

I mean, I don't know if it'll get there if one of these other guys are going to pull something like this off. Who knows? I mean, it's a card they could play. And it's a card a few teams are probably looking at going, hmm, hmm. Because at the same time, like I know with Philly, you know, after the car, it was Carlson and that was it. They didn't anticipate anything else kind of happening there in terms of let's try this again. But if now you're seeing this happen and, you know, Columbus moves out this and you're trying to keep them, unless there's a deal.

Like if you're, if you're Danny Breyer now, are you going to wait a second? They just pulled that trade off and they still don't have this kid signed. Yeah, 17. Yeah, you've got more cap space now because you made that other move. presumably. But it just everything starts, you know,

turning for everybody. And, hmm, I don't know if Montreal would be that bold. Kent Hughes is ruthless. Kent Hughes is ruthless. And I say that as a matter of

respect in this situation. He's not, he's not there to make friends. Jeff Gordon's not there to make friends. Is there a big stand. They made it abundantly clear how much they want Marchenko. So they go in that route or they go the offer sheet fantilli route. Or like now everything is going.

Man, that would spice things up. Oh, yeah. We thought, yeah, we thought the Carlson stuff was going to really spice things up. But I mean, this could definitely. Again, we'll see what Cylinger gets. We'll see what we'll see what Cole Cylinger ends up with because I think that is going to set the table now for Adam Fantilly. Who if you're, if you're fantilly, you're probably just sitting back and saying like, okay, let's see what. I'm going to rush now.

I thought maybe I was going to do this early. I'll take my time now. Yeah, exactly. Let's see what else happens. Because, you know, typically offer sheets are usually in the July beginning of August. like all these teams have all their cap space that has kind of been eaten up and they don't have enough here

hence the St. Louis pounce on the Edmonton Oilers which is kind of what I was expecting this summer if we were going to see any offer sheets then I was kind of waiting for this time period the end of July beginning of August and then Danny said screw it we're doing this now. Sunny, sunny too. Sunny went for it.

Oh yeah true. Yes. Yeah, Hayton. Yep. So, you know, good on them. It's definitely spliced things up. It's a little busier than normal in the early parts of July. Yeah, it's been great. Yeah. It's been awesome.

Keep going. Keep it going. Speaking of numbers, did you think that Pat Kane was going to get A to copy? New. 16 sheets for two years. Can Pat Kane play defense?

Can he play half forward? Can he play D? A couple of shifts here or there because that's Connor, really what Chicago needs here, David. Yes. But Pat Kane, two-year contract.

8 million AAV. I was like, hold on, another cup of coffee here, please. Your thoughts on this. First of all, I mean, it's the storybook finish, right? For sure. It's the bookend of the career. Patrick Kane returns to Chicago. And I think when I saw the number eight, that's kind of where I went.

Okay, so that's one of the reasons why he's not going to Buffalo. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, yes. Yeah, I don't think, I think the five, I was hearing somewhere around five initially. to get them there. And maybe there were additional bonuses or something like that that was kind of tied to it.

But like eight sheets a year to go back to Chicago to put a nice little bow on that ridiculously good career. I mean, good move. I did triple take when the number came in, but you know, whatever, good on them. And it's not like they don't have the cash space. They have, they have seven and a half to go

still in cap space right now. If they want to still add to this team. But, you know, Baderd talked about how cool it would have been when he signed, that how cool it would be to have Cain there as well. Okay. And I have a question for it. The minute, the minute I saw that, did you think the exact same thing? Now, Kyle Davidson has to do this.

Yes. Your franchise star player is saying, go get this guy. Yeah. This would be quote unquote, so cool or whatever. Incredible was a word of used. Like the minute Bedard said that, your Kyle Davidson, you know, Well, okay. I guess we're doing this.

And Pat's like, oh. Nice to hear from you again. Good to hear from you, pal. How are you made? How's this summer? My friend aren't having a barbecue. Come on, bye. Let me ask you this.

I don't know what side it's on. There you go. Do you slap that on 88 and then allow Bedard afterwards to kind of take over as your captain or how do you think what do you think about that? No,

I think you probably just do it with Badaard and call it a day. Just give it straight to him, okay. Yeah. I was wondering about that one because I'm going, you know what, for two years, he's missing half the season anyway.

Or thereabouts. Yeah. Give it to 88 is the final. It's interesting. You know what? You know, that's a really good question because in a year where there's like zero expectation, there's zero reason to have a captain.

We're still sorting all of this out. We're figuring, you know, we're not going to place this on someone. We're going to let the captain emerge. Like that makes sense. Right. Right? Like there's some guys that are just obvious,

you know, like Gabriel Landisogg shows up in the NHL and within five minutes, it's like, okay, that guy's captain. Like it's a captain. So, he's a cross being paid. Like, okay, there's some obvious ones here. I'm very much of the, you know, let the captain emerge from the,

the group. But your question winks at something really interesting. And that is, what is the expectation for Chicago this year? And I think it is as much as like everyone's getting extensions and everyone should feel comfortable and landing spots and all these types of things. I think

this is the year kind of like what Anaheim had last year, where this is the season where ownership is like, okay, so great with the rebuild. And we've got a lot of green bananas here. And that's great. But we need to see some results.

Just like how the Samueli family said to Pat for Big, okay, it's time for something now. Yeah. Something tangible. Like it feels that way for Chicago because you look at all the teams that have lap them. And a lot of them are in the Eastern Conference, although Anaheim's in the West,

Buffalo, Ottawa, Montreal, Anaheim, San Jose. Man Jose, yes. If you're Chicago, it's like, okay, this is the year we got to see something. Badd's injury sucks. Absolutely sucks.

But expectation is they have to have something tangible to show. So to your point about who wears the C, in a throwaway, let's see how the year goes and how the kids develop. I don't think a C is important. Right. But when it's a result here, I kind of do. I kind of do. Yeah.

And I, yeah, I get it. I get it. I mean, I'm just the last two years for him. And if, again, if Badard's going to like he's back on the ice and one December. I could see like I think it's going straight to Baderd anyway, but yeah, I can see the argument that it's worth having that that discussion. Do we give it to Patty Kane? Because he's playing the final presumably, the final two years of his career in Chicago.

Yeah. And, you know, letting him play alongside Baderd when he gets back on the ice and letting him learn from him and seeing what he does and how he, how he, how he, how he, maneuvers, you know, the game. And equally beneficial to a guy like Frundell who will be there as well and can learn from this player and so on and so on and so on, along with the other young kids, you know, that are there too. I could see the, I see the argument.

I don't know, like, again, I'm throwing it on Bedard anyway, but it wouldn't, I wouldn't be shocked if they're going, you know what, legacy purposes of all the captains in, in Chicago Blackhawks history, get that on him. I can see the argument being there, whether they're compelled to move forward with that. I mean, obviously, we're going to, we'll see. But I'm with you. I think it's Bedard, but I just, the question is so intriguing to me, given the circumstances where they're at.

And the injury, no question, affected a little bit of the dollars that Bedard ended up getting. But end of the day, you know, he's going to be the guy. It's just a matter of, is he going to be the guy? Do we wait? I just found that one curious. That was the second question that popped into my head after. That says eight, right?

That's the infinity loop. What am I seeing here? To put a ribbon on it. The one thing, and again, I don't know this, because I've always assumed that he's never been interested in wearing the sea. Do we even know if Pat Kane would want that? That's right. I don't even know, Dave.

I don't even know, Dave. Like, I ask legitimately, not because I have any. but I've never really gotten the impression that that's something that he's wanted or he'd be comfortable. I don't know. Because it's a similar to a degree because I don't think, like I don't think in the early parts of his career he would have cared. Like I go to Drew Dowdy, for example. I think Drew was beyond comfortable with how things played out with him in that situation. Like Copee was the next guy after Dustin Brown, right?

And they transitioned that earlier. And I think Drew was totally fine being like, I don't need this. I don't need to be. I agree with you 100%. Completely agree. And I don't. And I don't need an agent. I don't need to see it.

I don't need an agent. No, no. You can take Dustin Brown for that. They had conversations. He's like, should I? Because Dustin ended up doing his last deal by himself. Yeah. And you know who hates that?

A few people. The teams. Normally it's like, oh, it's great. The team. just negotiate with the player and that's awesome. I remember I talked to someone in L.A. I'm like, you guys must love this and he's like, actually, it's not great because now our GM has to talk directly to the player as opposed to talking to the agent and the agent

can give the message a softer landing. Yeah, there's no buffer. There's no buffer. Anyway, so I digress. But, yeah, but yeah, I just found the two scenarios over the courses of their careers very similar because they're like, nah, I don't need it. It's fine. You know, they're not really thinking about it.

But now, again, presuming this is the final two years of his career, you know, he gets the two years. He gets eight and eight, 88. I saw that too. I know. Cute. Nice one. The cute number is a big one for you. Yeah, yeah, right.

Exactly. What if Pat Gain wore 20? What if Pat Gain wore 22 or 11? Yes. No, no. That's why. Go the high numbers now, kids. A high number.

Racing car numbers, kids. Yeah, yeah. But that's, yeah, I just, I just wondered about that. I'm curious as to, yeah, whether that's even, because great point by you, like, he may not give a crap. He may like, I don't know, give it to the kid. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good.

I'm good. I'm going to be like the greatest American hockey player ever. I'm good. I'm solid. Do you want to wear that curve letter? Go for it. Not for this guy. And now I get $69 million to play with.

Amazing, eh? It's just incredible. I never thought. What an off season this has been. And it continues. And it continues. This is still not done yet. Great that you're still on the beat.

Always appreciate you stopping by. Have a great weekend. And I know you'll be living on your phone and social media. And we'll be following it all along with you. Thanks, pal. You be good. You too, buddy. Yeah.

Dave Panyoda. Editor-in-Chief of the fourth period. And also one half along with Erfang Gafar of DFO Rundown Insider Edition. Yesterday's episode was 20 minutes of news, news, news, crammed in. It was a really good, really good listen. I encourage you to listen to that podcast on a consistent basis. We still have a couple of more things here for you to get to.

We've got a couple of clips that we want to play. But one thing that I do want to mention, and I've done a lot of reads for them, I'm really glad they've come on in the program and they've been a partner. And that's Canadian blood services. I've been really happy to have Canadian blood services as a partner on the show this season for a number of reasons. One, I've given blood for a number of years, and I've always encouraged people to do so.

But from a personal point of view, we all have those moments in our lives when things get real really fast. And for me, it was years ago with a family member who was in a horrible motorcycle accident. It was early in the morning riding his motorcycle to work and he got hit from behind on the highway and ended up slamming into a truck. He was thrown. His motorcycle was caught a blaze as was he and he has engulfed in flames and burns all over his body. Multiple surgeries. As I mentioned, burns all over his body didn't know if he was going to make it. and if he did what condition he would be in.

And if he wasn't getting blood and plasma infusions, his, just bluntly, his major organs could have, probably would have failed. You know, cells don't receive oxygen and fluid properly in that situation. Now, it was a long process for him. He survived, thankfully, and he's resumed his, life with his wife in British Columbia and resumed his career, which is a medical one. He's an anesthesiologist in British Columbia. So listen, like saving his life wouldn't have been possible

without blood donations. So to anyone who has given, thank you. If you haven't, please consider doing so. I go, as I mentioned numerous times here on the show, I go every three months. I have the Give Blood app and I book it there. And just so you know, it doesn't take very long. My last, let's see what I was last. My last one, my bleed time was eight minutes. And they don't take a ton. 486 milliliters was my last one.

I'm going back again in the middle of August. I go every three months. And that's what's allowed. So the process is really simple. I book on the app. And there's a church, one of the churches here in Stowville, host Canadian Blood Services on a regular basis and I go and the people are delightful.

Part of the process, too, is like you meet some really fantastic people. I have not had one single bad experience, quite the opposite. Every time I've given blood, the people are helpful and nice and kind and thoughtful. And at the end of all of it, they ask you if you would like a cookie and orange juice or apple juice or a bottle of water. It is a really easy experience. And even if you don't like needles, and I'm not the, it's a. funny because I'm all linked up, but I'm not really the best guy around needles, but it's a really

easy, simple experience. I have Canadian blood services linked on my social media, and that will always stay, regardless if they're a partner with anything that I do. That will not change, and this is one of the reasons why I am absolutely thrilled that they came on this property this year as a partner. I do want to remind you, the need is high. Let's try to fill every chair this. summer for information on how you can become a donor. Blood.ca is the website. You can download the app or you can call 1-3-8 to donate. Again, blood.ca, you can download the app.

1-3-8 to donate is the phone call. This one has always been a very personal one for me. And I want to thank Canadian Blood Services specifically for coming on board to partner with me this season on the sheet. Okay. Coming in hot, let's start with Steve Steyos. So general manager of the Ottawa Senators, Steve Steyos, making the rounds and stop by with our crew from the coming in hot podcast, Brent and the York Shop, Jason York. Here's general manager, Steve Steyos, of the Ottawa Senators.

This one dropped last night. I'll have a comment on this coming up in a couple of seconds. Here's the Ottawa Senators GM. People are saying, where is the top six? got at Eklund, but it feels like they're still missing somebody. Like, do you see Berwickowski as a top six guy? Do you see moving? We've talked a lot about Dylan Cousins moving around.

Like, I know you don't make the lines, but you must have some idea where guys are going to slot in. To a certain degree, but again, it's going to be on performance. And I think what we've created here for the coaching staff is it's easy to hold these players accountable because there's always somebody sort of pushing for that spot, legitimate and guys who can play up the lineup. So I really don't have a great answer on where he fits in. But it's exciting to be able to have those options now internally

where we can, where the players are going to push themselves. And again, the one thing that didn't talk about is the culture that we've created here, the competitiveness of our players as individuals. If you have a player that hasn't had success somewhere, You have, there's nowhere to hide here with the way that we compete, a true testament to the character of our group, that they're going to drag you along. Okay, so a couple of thoughts on that one. So it's impossible to talk about the Ottawa senators without talking about Brady Kachuk.

And I understand how Ottawa senators fans feel. And I also understand why when at various times over the past couple of seasons, us in the media have mentioned and wondered about and speculated about and shared whispers about the future of Brady Kachuk with the Ottawa Senators. And I understand why the pushback was always there from Ottawa Senators fans. I understand why they were always emotional about it and protective of that player. And I do understand why they also feel scorned by him leaving. But the one thing, and it is interesting the way that, you know,

Eklund comes in as Kachuk exits. You know, the identity of this team, I mean, it's impossible not for it to change. You don't remove someone like Brady Kachuk out of. a lineup and say, oh, yeah, we're just going to replace him with someone else like him. Because there isn't anyone else out there that is like him. And that's both, you know, the good and the bad of Brady Kachuk for, you know, all of the, and it's legitimate. Like he's like a one of a, there are, I shouldn't say one of a kind because there are similar

players to Brady Kachuk. But when you have someone like him, you become an envy around the NHL. these players generally don't exist. At the same time, there were, and I think whenever I would bring this up, I know Sends fans would always push back on me, but I think now Sends fans, now that what happened, happened,

can take a sort of sober second look at the Brady-Kechuk phenomenon with the Ottawa senators, where it always seemed as if there was a poll, between two different ideas. One of the ideas was Brady Kachuk is the only player that's pulling the Ottawa senators into a fight that Brady Kachuk is showing that there's no passengers here or we won't stand for having passengers here and we're not going to lose easily

and I'm going to do something about it. That's one part. And the other part was always, here comes to Brady Kachuk show. Oh, here comes the fight off the face-off guy. Here comes at 7-2, 30 seconds left, and he's trying to start a fight, or he's going to run the goaltender.

I can assure you there are plenty of eyeball rolls when these types of things would happen from people in and around Ottawa. It just was. And that was always the tug. the competitive pull into the fight you can look at it that way or you can look at it as

here comes the sideshow here comes to pro wrestling here comes Brady Kachukh that way the one thing that I do wonder about considering they bring in a highly skilled player like William Ackland we've seen teams do this before and that is not lean into

who they are you know it's a great saying Frank Zappa you are what you is cows don't make ham You know, cows don't make ham. One of the things that I'll take Ottawa's provincial rival, the Maple Leafs, one of the failures, I think of that Maple Leafs team is they tried to be something that they weren't. Instead of leaning into the skilled team that they were,

they tried to essentially out Panther the Florida Panthers. Instead of saying, we're not going to be that team. We're not going to be that team. We can't play like that. we don't have the makeup. So instead, we're going to lean into our skill. I think that Dubus's idea initially was the right one. Lean in to what you have. Now I'm going to be really curious to see which way the Ottawa senators lean with Steve Stozo's here.

Like, what is that direction? There's going to be a lot on Tim Stutzelah. Make no mistake about it. There's going to be a lot on Jake Sanderson. Like, these are two super elite players, obviously, for the Ottawa Senate. and two of the best players in the NHL. I'll be curious to see which way they lean. And the teams generally that are the most successful

are the ones that are comfortable being who they are and only bring players aboard that accentuate who they are. The most obvious example, the most recent Stanley Cup champions, the Carolina Hurricanes. There's a certain way that you have to play and you have to be a Carolina Hurricanes player. We talked about this a lot during the Hurricanes run, and we focused on someone like William Carlson.

And as you look at William Carlson's game, the one team that screams out at you is, this guy looks like he can play in Carolina. And they do a great job identifying those players and bringing those players in. So I'll be curious to see which way they go here with the Ottawa Senators. That interview with Brent and Jason out right now

on the coming in hot podcast. Okay, one more thing here. I want to get to this clip because a really, really good interview with one of my favorite people in the game, Jake Allen, netminder for the New Jersey Devils. So the three-goly rotation, the three-headed monster that everybody has always hated, it looks like it might just be here to stay Buffalo Sabres looking your direction.

Here's Jake Allen with Talley Ramchuk and Carter Hutton yesterday on DFO Live. You can find this one on the DFO YouTube page. Have a look. Please, like, I've talked with Dubnick in the past and he was part of a three-goly system in mini and he loved it because he was the guy. because he was the guy. He was playing 60 games a year. And he was like, I didn't have to go all that hard in practice. If I didn't want to face shots that day, I kind of didn't have to.

There's other guys who I know have absolutely despised it. They hate not knowing what their role is. What do you make as a veteran guy of the idea that more teams could kind of be adopting that three goalie system? And is there a way to make it work? Yeah, I mean, I actually, I had a first hand experience in my last year in Montreal. We had me and Montemortembo and they kept Caden Primo around. and, you know, we thought, you know, Caden was going to be going down and they just kept us around. So personally, I didn't really like it.

Just because you feel on the outs, you get to be able to, the way you need to do it is you got to be able to just manage it properly from, you know, the goalie coach to the head coach to to the goalies and also have a common understanding that this is for the benefit of the group and it is and it is and we're just going to make it work. And as long as there's a clear line of communications and understanding, you know, where everyone stands, I think that's the biggest thing. Because as a goal, you're sitting there, you get three. Like, man, am I ever going to play?

Is this guy going to play? Like, is my next game in two weeks? Is it in three weeks? Like, as long as there's a clear communication path, I don't see any problem with it, especially the way the game's going, like you mentioned, with a lot of teams leaning that way. And I think that's the biggest thing.

And if I was in that position, again, that's definitely what I would recommend and would like from my vantage point. but everyone needs three good goalies, and I'm a realist. Like I get it. I'd love to be in the net all the time, but if I'm running a hockey team, you got to have three good goalies nowadays.

There's just so much variability. Every game is so important. You see it like the pressure and the internal pressure and just you can't have peaks and valleys in the seasons anymore, and you've got to do what you've got to do to find a way to get the job done. And yeah, I've had very much firsthand experience wasn't the greatest situation for me, but for me at the end of the day,

it worked out to get to the devils and sort of here I am. So it's a thing you're definitely going to see way more in the future. And honestly, I know people talk about taking up a roster spot, but I think at the end of the day, it might actually benefit you

and get more points at the end of the year. Golly say that they really do. I understand in some situations. I get it. We just thought with the Buffalo Sabres, and there was the fear, you know, there was a fear of, you know, losing a goaltender on waivers. I got it. Goleys don't like it. Golly coaches don't like it.

It's not an ideal situation. I think it comes down to each individual goaltender. And it's funny to hearing Jake Allen talk about this, I always think to myself, whenever I hear people say, we're a mature. adults we can handle this, nothing mature ever happens. So whenever you're like, oh, it depends. Like if you're mature and open and honest about it, yeah, there's still going to be someone that's put out, right? There's still going to be someone that's put out about it.

There's still going to be someone standing around to practice. There's still going to be one goaltender in a suit. There's still going to be one guy that feels like the ebug at the end of it. So I think for some teams, it's going to be more of a non-perfection reality that they just have to face because they've gotten themselves into a situation where they got to have to have three goaltenders because they're scared to lose one on waivers. And it's just a roster management, which is an asset management issue with the team. And that was very much the Buffalo Sabres this year.

But again, like the perfect scenario is that it's not a three goalie situation. It's a two-goaltender situation. And you have a third goal. tender that doesn't need waivers. So, can I get one quick story in about Jake Allen? Actually, I got two because Jake Allen was the first guy. I'm going to get one story in here about his time with St. Louis Blues and how he helped the St. Louis Blues win the Stanley Cup, even though it was Jordan

Bennington, was in that. He was the first guy to really show me. I remember having a conversation with him. And he sent me all these videos and pictures of an example of something that we see is a really commonplace now and more people have picked up on it. Matt Socorllo to me was the first that really dined out on it consistently. And now I see it all the time with Matt Sukcarello. And the minute I mention this, if you go and you watch Matt Socarello highlights and you watch his goals, this is what he's shooting for every time. And it works with a left catch goal tender and a left

shot player. And it's called the triangle. And a lot of times that gets confused for the five hole. But Jake Allen, who by the way is going to go on, whenever his career is done, he is going to be like the next goalie guru of the universe. He is one of the smartest goaltenders you will ever speak to. Ask anyone who knows him. Like Ask Hudson DFO a lot.

Like what he thinks of Jake Allen's like, this guy's genius. He's super smart. Like he profoundly understands the position where it was. was where it is and where it's going. The triangle is interesting. It's that area between the heel of the stick and the inside of the right skate. So imagine to yourself a goaltender, a traditional goaltender, left catch. Traditional goaltender is setting up.

Look at the heel. Look at the, there's a triangle that forms between the right pad going up and the stick going down. And that area is, if you're coming in as a left-hand shot, almost impossible to guard. And a lot of players have starting to exploit it now more so than ever. He talked about like the Tim Stutzelos

and a lot of the German guys really exploiting it. The earliest I can see of it on a consistent basis is Matt Zuccarello. And what happens is the player comes in left shot. It looks like just a five-hole goal. Oh, went between the goaltender's legs. It did, but it went in between the heel of the stick and the inside part of the right skate.

So what the player is shooting for is not the five hole, but that left shot player is shooting for the inside of the right skate. It's called the triangle goal. And if you haven't heard me talk about it or heard like, you know, Kevin Woodley from Ingole talk about it or probably, you know, write about it and show videos of it. Now you know. And now that you've seen it, you're going to keep seeing it everywhere. That's not a five hole goal.

That's a triangle goal. And it happens all the time in the NHL. And for that, until I'm proven wrong, that was, I don't know if created by, but popularized by Matt Socorillo. And it's weird saying, Matt Socarello, not of the Minnesota Wild. One final thing on Jake Allen as well. Alan, to the previous point about being the proverbial student of the game. So Alan has this unique ability to be able to emulate the movement styles of other goaltenders. This is a cut line, folks.

This is a separator between Jake Allen and other goaltenders. He understands the position so well and understands how other goaltenders play so well. That's when St. Louis was in the Stanley Cup final against the Boston Bruins, he would, at practice, emulate Tukarask. Because he knew all the tendencies in the style of play of Tuka Rask, which gave St. Louis' Blues shooters and advantage. And even though, and I asked him if he did this and he said, no, that would be a step too far.

Even though he didn't wear a Boston Bruins jersey at practice, he still performed as if he was Tuka Rask with all of the same movement patterns. But couldn't take that final step to actually put on a Bruins jersey, which probably would have been like even more help for St. Louis shooters. But like, that's what we're dealing with

when we talk about Jake Allen. Okay, so we went, I didn't think we're going to go an hour today, we had a lot of stuff to get to, and I'm glad you're bored with us for this whole podcast today. Thanks to Jacob Lazar for stopping by the program to produce it for this week. Not sure who's producing next week, but there will be shows at least on Tuesday and Thursday, and whenever news breaks, we'll fix it here and do a special edition program. Thanks so much Dave Panyoda from the Fourth Period and the DFO Insider Edition version of the rundown.

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