The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Sens Managing, Leafs Slumping, and the CHL Landscape ft. Jason York, Jay Rosehill, & Dan MacKenzie

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

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I'm so proud of Zach. I feel like a proud father. Zach, even though I've always reminded him that low-hanging food is still nutritious. And maybe he did that with the guest booking today. Maybe you did. Just go like Battle of Ontario. We got the York chop coming up. We got Rosie coming up.

Jason York. Jay Roseville. cool. In the week, why not? But, dude, the QOD you came up with today, and we are getting some absolute beauties coming back. So here's the one that Zach came up with today.

Where most shows, they did this on Daily Faceoff Live today, we'll do the, give us one trick, give us one treat. Hey, it's Halloween after all. Not our boy, Zach. Peels the onion, one more layer and comes up with this Bon Mott.

What moment What moment, easy for me to say, first day with a new tongue. What moment haunts you the most in your hockey fandom? Buddy, that is so good. I'm going to ask everybody on this show, that question, including Dan McKenzie, the president of the Canadian Hockey League. He'll probably say, the moment I met you, Merrick. What moment haunts you the most in your hockey fandom?

that is so good mine well first of all what's yours what's the moment that haunts you in your hockey fandom do you have one you must have one you came up with this question after all i'm sure you've meditated on this what is it come on come on it's the lowest of hanging fruit oh when when marner signed with vegas no no oh no uh for one i will never ever ever and i know that's a lot of evers ever look at a four one lead the same no like like not not a seriously like not a not a three one seriously not a four one game league nothing will ever be the same for me after that experience that is going to haunt me for the rest of my life and i'm going to pass that on to my kids and their kids and everybody after that is going to have to live with that

hanging over them for me it's a moment that made me cry as a kid it was i would have been 10 when it happened and i've i've talked to him about this like the wonderful thing about working in this field is you get to meet the people that you've grown up watching and have these like kid conversations with them uh the landy macdonald trade so punchy mack was the general manager of the tron and he went to war with darrell sitler really didn't like darrell sitler wanted him out of the room wanting him trade it, but because Daryl Sittler had a no trade clause, yes, they existed back in 1979, 80. He decided, well, if Sittler won't waive there's no trade clause

and I can't move him, I'll just trade all of his friends. And it was that first moment where I realized that players won't just stay on your teams that you love. And Lany MacDonald got traded at the Colorado Rockies, coming back the other way, Pat Hickey and Wolf Paymont. Not the first player ever to wear 99 in the NHL. that was that was the first show we ever did

who was it Joe Lamb we got York Chop coming up we're starting with lamb chop Joe Lamb Montreal Canadians it's just like a race car number they gave to him with a practice jersey

they didn't have another number for them for the games they just gave him 99 anyhow that was like 30s I remember thinking to myself I've seen trades before but I didn't think like all my favorite players

could get traded I didn't think that like superstar players could get traded remember my dad telling me, Landy McDonnell and got traded to Colorado. And first, I was stunned. And second, like, I was, like, crying. Like, we're not going to, like, Landy McDonald's not going to play for the Toronto Maple Leafs again.

I'm like, he's like, no, son. And it was like, a year ago, I had met him at Keelstale Arena, him and his wife at some, like, figure skating show my sister was part of. He's, like, one of my favorite players. I met him at Granny's, or was it Granny's? Granny's fishing ships with Brian Glennie when I was, like, eight years old. Lanny, by the way, would do any commercial. You know, there are just some people in the industry that I'll, do anything for a nickel, anything for a dime, anything for...

Lanny did every single... You offered him anything and attached a dollar to it. Lanny was doing it, but Lanny was there with Brian Glaney as one of the first hockey players I met. It was a really, really cool experience. But that was the one for me. I still think back to a little 10-year-old Jeff Merrick in the West End of Toronto,

being all emotional about Lanny McDonald getting traded. We've got some great ones that have come in. Like, it's not just games. It's trades, it's events, It's twists on the question as well. This one's really good. But before we get there, I want to talk to a couple of special people and want to let you know what's on the blueprint for the program today.

And it's a whopper to end the week. Some shows just lick the envelope, mail it in. Ah, one guest, we're only going to go like 35, 45. No, no, no, no, no. Friday, we're going Broadway to take you into the weekend. The blueprint is powered by Fanduel. Download the app today and play your game with Fandul. Coming up on the program today.

Jason York, who, listen, who covers the Ottawa Senators for us here at the Nation Network, also is a key piece of the broadcast of the Calgary Flames crew this year. We'll talk to him about those two teams. We'll talk about the Ottawa Senators. We'll also talk to Jay Rosell of Leaves Morning Take about the Toronto Maple Leafs. There we say the struggling Toronto Maple Leafs and Dan McKenzie, the president of the Canadian Hockey League. We'll stop by. We'll talk about the CHL USA Prospect Challenge, which gets underway.

on the 25th of this month in November in Calgary and then the 26th in Lethbridge. And that is our snappy show for you today. All of it peppered with this great question that our man Zach came up with. So that question goes to our first guest. He is Jason York from Coming in Hot. Jason York from Flames Broadcasts. We call him the York Chop. How are you, pal?

Good to see you. Where are you right now? Well, Jeff, can you hear me? I can. Yeah, I got you. Where are you right now? We are inside the CTC Center. I figured I'd get out of the rink because, you know,

when you watch Prattis, all you can hear is the little clip, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. Yeah, I like that. So I'm just going to look. Yeah, but you won't be able to hear me, Jeffrey, so I'm going to go over to the hall. Huh. So you guys can get it.

That's respect. By the way, just as an aside, my favorite hockey sound is the puck hitting the crossbar. Do you have a favorite hockey sound? Like, whenever, when I walk into the rink, usually the first thing you hear is the puck hitting the glass that's a good sound but I love puck hits crossbar what is your favorite hockey sound is it blades hitting the ice

is it puck hitting bar what is it for you yorke i'll tell you what jeff i got a good story here it's kind of like i know you're kind of like a hockey romantic 2004 locker 2004 locker i was kind of at a crossroads my father had passed away I had spent a year in Switzerland that I wasn't sure if I was ever

in a national hockey league so local arena here called Barbara and Scott ended up skating there by myself and there's something when you're just on a sheet by yourself the minute you jump on the ice and it's just totally clean

and your skate just starts carving in and that's all you hear that's my favorite sound Jeff it's a beautiful sound honestly that that that's the one and you can feel it too now by the way as an NHLer how many strides

does it take you to realize that the ice is good or the ice is crap as soon as you get on the only reason I know this is because I played in Anaheim back when it was the Arrowhead Pond and it was the notoriously

worst ice in the national hockey way it was terrible like you basically need you needed a stick like Cadre uses the massive blades or the puck because it was always bouncing. They fixed it since then, but you can tell. It's soft and it's hot and, you know, Florida ice and playoffs,

which everybody's used to now because they're always in the finals. That kind of ice. That kind of ice. Yeah. Okay, so Halloween theme here today. I want to hop on the senators in a couple of seconds. I do want to get your thoughts on the Flames too. And congratulations on that gig.

It's great to see you and hear you on Flames games. I really, really love it. The question of the day that we have today on this Halloween, it's not the tricks and treats, it's haunting. So my answer to this was Delaney McDonald's trade. I was 10 years old and it jarred me. It floored me. What?

Like it's a moment you realize that like your parents could, as you mentioned, your father passing away, I've lost both my parents. And, you know, that moment you realize as a kid, like, well, my parents are probably not going to be here. It's just jarring. My jarring moment or haunting moment was Delaney McDonald trade. I was a kid and like, what?

Lany McDonnell, I'd trade, and I've talked to Lany about it and have a good laugh. But what moment, Jason York, haunts you the most in your hockey fandom? Let me, let me throw a dart here. Here's what I think it's going to be. When the bill, when the bill came at your rookie dinner. No, that wasn't too bad. That wasn't too bad. As soon as you said, Bill, I thought you're going to get into you and I were going to start talking about Bill LaFourri.

Because there's a lot of haunting memories back now. I'm still, I still have trauma from that, dude. Like, I'm still messed up. And that's no joke. That's no joke. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. Because I'll talk about,

because I think you want to talk about trades, right? Well, no, no, no, no. Something on the ice, something off the ice. If you want to talk about, you know, Bill LaForge, you know, putting body bags in the old Guelph Auditorium in that Guelph Kitchener series, Todd Warner told me about that. You're walking into the Guelph,

Get out and there's body bags hanging from the rig. You cannot do that. You cannot do that, Bill, like that. But maybe it's that. Like, what is it for you? Well, what time, and this wasn't hot thing, this was funny. It was a funny Bill of Ford Story. We're playing in the old Windsor Arena, and I'm with the Hamilton Steelhawks,

and it's a rough game. Windsor back then. They got Adam Graves. They have the Shannon brothers. They got big Glenn Feathers. And we have a pretty tough team, too. We got Denny VL, Kirk Tomlinson. And it's rough.

And after the second period, Bill comes in. And he's like, all right, everybody's taking off your shoulder pads. We're going into the stands. I'm like, pardon? I'm like, are we doing this? So all of a sudden, all of a sudden, I haven't heard this one, have you? So all of a sudden, we start taking off, we start taking off our shoulder pads because then you don't want the fans grabbing your shoulder pads if you're going to fight them, I guess.

So like, and don't forget, this is the OHL. Like, you've got a range from like, like, Keith Primo was on that team. He was 16. I was 17 to 20. 16 to 20. Yes. Yes. And you got your lunatic coach telling you you're going into the stands to fight the fans.

So we had a couple guys start walking up into the stands and go start fighting. And thankfully, security is like and our assistant coach, somebody, somebody with some sanity said, no, this isn't happening. But I thought it was, I thought it was going down. And I was like, all right, I guess we're doing this. But yeah, that's a haunt. There's no coming back when you attack fans. There's just, there's just no coming back when you attack. But I would say, they used to happen.

Well, yeah. Well, the legendary Mike Milbury with the shoe just hammering the guy's head. That's, uh, that's good comedy, though. Um, but okay, haunting. I got a bet. I got another, I got another story for you. All right. I'll never forget this.

This is when you know you're getting traded. Um, it's trade deadline day. I'm playing in Detroit. Uh, did back then, this was 19. Detroit was one of the only teams that flew private charter. We had a plane called the Red Bird One. This plane was awesome. We had our own.

It was fantastic. So Redbird One takes off for California. We're going on the California trip. I'm super excited. It was 1994. The Locket was over. Good times were ahead. All of a sudden, the plane decides to take a pit stop on the way to California,

and it stops in New Jersey. And all of a sudden, Fetisov comes on the plane. So we're all doing the math, and we're like, when this plane lands somebody is getting traded so we got to we got to San Jose

we're playing the ducks first game was San Jose Scotty Bowman calls me and of course Mike Sillinger of course I got to get traded with silly my good buddy who's been traded more times than anybody

more than anyone yeah but that was that was his first trade the first time Mike Sillinger was traded him and I got traded to the Ducks and we basically just got on Southwest Airlines flight flight and went to San Jose and Anaheim and joined the Ducks but that was funny

not funny at the time but when you think about it Fetisov comes on it's like someone's got to leave when the plane lands and so you knew it was him I just I just didn't know it was me because he had rumors about him and then all of a sudden I get called in too

yeah you're come on in here you're going on the trade too I'm like, all right. But that was tough. That was a really good Red Wings team. That was back when they had a young Lidsstrom, Fedoroff, Eisenman, Dino's sister. Raleigh, that was a good, good team. Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame.

Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame. Oh, yeah, you back there, yeah, you're Hall of Fame too. That was, you know, it's funny. I was telling him story the other day about Scotty Bowman and St. Louis Calling Barkley Plager after a game was so, I think it was either Barclay or Bob, one of the Plager boys. And he told him to, he was like, so pissed off at him. And I got to get Scotty on to tell the story.

He calls him up. he says. I've had it with you. I've done with these mistakes. Pack your bags. Go to the airport. I'm going to call you. When you get there, I'll call you and I'll tell you. No, you call me. And I'll tell you where you're going. Pack your bags and go to the airport. And so, like, oh, geez, I don't even know where I'm going to. But Scotty's told me to go to say, packs his bags and he goes to the airport. Made it drive all the way to the airport thinking he was going to get. Come on back. Come on back. I was just kidding. I was just kidding. Oh, that's good. That's good. There's, you know, one of my favorite Scotty stories, too, is how he would catch guys a curfew when he was coaching the Montreal Canadian. So what he would do is he would leave a hockey stick at the front for the guy doing security. And so when the players would come back late, the players would be like, shh, don't say a thing.

And the guy would be like, oh, yeah, sure, but can you sign the stick for me? And so sure enough, all the guys coming in and, you know, two bells or one bell or whatever, they're signing sticks. And Scotty shows up the next morning for breakfast. So who broke curfew last night? Not a single hand comes up. and he pulls out the hockey stick, these are autographs of all the guys

that came in fast curfew. Everyone's got a great curf. I've heard that one, by the way. It's a legendary. Get the bellman or whoever to do. I remember playing in, and I think these guys could possibly write one of the best books of all times.

Pan Pacific Hotel in Vancouver. Great hotel. A lot of teams, a lot of team. A lot of teams stayed there. Leaves were banned from there once. Leaves were banned there for a while for an incident. Not for air. Not for honor.

It may have been with one of our mutual friends, but that's for an offer. But the guys, I always love that hotel, number one, great sushi, great beds. But they had guys, if you can remember, that opened the doors for you, and they had these giant top hats. They were the top hat guys. And the top hat guys, not only were there when you arrived, they were there late. in the morning, too. So when players rolled into the hotel, like whatever time, one, two, three,

who knows, maybe later, the Top Hat guys were there. Could you imagine the stories that the Top Hat guys from the Pan Pacific could write? Like, they've got dirt on everybody, on everybody. Everybody, you know what, that's... The Top Hat Hockey Files.

Holy smokes, that is an amazing book waiting to be written. I'll tell you, when you talk about hotels, though, one of my favorite, and this, I don't want to say who the person is, you can probably figure out who it is pretty quickly.

So when I was working Hockey Night and Canada Rinkside for CBC, this would have been, geez, Yorkie, 2007, maybe 2008. I'm doing, I would do Montreal games.

And so we get to the Sheraton and I check in and one of the person, one of the people on the broadcast crew sort of weighs me over, hey, come on, have a beer. I'm like, oh, let me get my bag upstairs

and I'll come down and have supper with you. And so we start talking and have a beer and he says, we start talking about suits and ties somehow. And he says,

ask me how many ties I have? And I said, how many ties do you have? And he said about, close to 600. And I went, you have 600 ties? He goes, yeah,

give or take. And he says, ask me how many I paid for? I said, how much do you pay for? He says, zero. He goes, you should come tie shopping with me sometime. I said, for those prices,

I'd love to. Ha, ha, ha. He says, okay, put your beer down. So put my beer down and we go walk up to the, he needs me to the front, all right to where you check in and he goes up and he says listen I stayed here about about a month ago

we left a couple of ties up in the hotel room do you have like a lost and found sure enough there's always ties in the lost and found basket he's like oh yeah these two pops them up on his shoulder and back to the bar he goes 552

ties now that's how you go tie shopping that is my tip for all young broadcasters you're looking for free ties just I stayed here there's always times because they're always leaving behind ties that's how you get tied.

Okay, 20 minutes into our conversation. What's up with the Ottawa Senators? Oh, well, it's kind of a weird. It was kind of a, I would say a mediocre start for them. Here's what happened, the Ottawa Senators. Last year, Jeff, they didn't score a lot five on five. He stole up, by the way? I'm here.

Okay. Sorry, I couldn't see you for a second. Anyhow, I got my Wi-Fi gunner. So, you know, last year they were one of the worst five-on-five teams. in the league. So it was all about defense, all about playing the right way. Travis Green got the guys to buy in. They make the playoffs. They wanted to take a step this year, score more five on five. I just think they stopped doing the things that are necessary to win in the league, and that's take

care of the puck at the blue lines. Don't turn the puck over. It's almost like they got away from what they were. And they're starting to find it again. Allmark got off to, you know, he didn't get off to a great start. He was busy, like Maryland had a tough training camp, so they kind of lost a little bit of faith of him, but he's come back since then. I just think it's a slow start. Last night, they were really good.

It was a good hockey game last night with Calgary and Ottawa. The poor flames, boy, oh, boy, they're just, we can't catch a break right now. They played very well. It was a good hockey game. At the end of the day, it went down to a shootout. I think Jake Sanderson scored a goal that bounced off three guys late in the third. But, yeah, it's pinball.

But Ottawa, I think when it's all said and done, Ottawa will be there as a playoff team this year If you watch Stutzla play Like he's a star Like he can He can elevate to take over games Sanderson The kids are stud back there

And they've got They got other good pieces Like I think they'll be fine with the Kachuk I think they've got enough depth I think I think they'll be there When it's all said and done The question is

Will they be a top three Or a wild card I don't know But I do think they'll be a playoff team I want to circle to Calgary here in a second but one follow-up on Jake Sanderson he's more than okay like Jake Jackson

is so special like so special Here's my question Jeff Jeff Jeff Yeah Sorry go ahead Ask your question I was going to say like if if they could do it again

Who would they have taken third And who would they have taken fifth Stutzelah or Sanderson Because like you know what it's like And I know you're like me I have a bias towards defenseman Just because I'm such a premium position that it is

like just looking where Jake Sanderson is now and where he is headed to becoming one of the best defensive in the NHL that's phenomenal and if they could do it all over again would you do Sanderson 3rd or Stutzelah third well you know you're getting Sanderson where the only question back then

was which defenseman you were taking were you drinking it was it was Hamer Drysdale and a lot of people were pissed off that Otto didn't go with the right shot D because not a lot of people knew about Jake Sanderson so that was the big debate back then and they obviously chose right in that one. Dreisle's still a good player, but he's not Sanderson.

It's a great question. I don't know. Like, I'm a big, they ask this question, too, is the best player on the team? Who's most important? Is it Chuck or is it Sanderson? I'm a defense guy, so I lean towards a defenseman, but I also know, Jeff, you win in this league down the middle, too. If you look at teams now in the NHL, you have to have a star down the middle

if you want to win. You do. Look at Nashville. You gotta have. Look at Nashville. Yeah. It's dying on the vine. Yeah.

No sense. Well, they've got, yeah, I know. Well, that's, and then look at the teams that win. Barkoff, down the middle. When Tampa was one, and they were at a point, Stamcoast, when he was in his prime, Pittsburgh, Crosby, Taves, when Chicago. You need centers. So I'm still taking Stutzel as much as I love Sanderson.

That's fair. Quick thought on Calgary, and we'll give your armor break here. This is like a workout for you. I'm really impressed. I missed my workout. I missed my workout this morning, Jeff. I don't know where the time went. I'm getting ready to fly to Nashville.

I knew I had to do this. I don't know. I'm bad with time, man. Your right shoulder is going to be so yoked after this interview. You're just holding it up. You're just holding that camera up there. It's awesome. I'm switching.

I'm switching. Oh, man. What would Bill LaForge think of that move, Jesus, New York? Oh, you would not approve for that. Quick thought on the Calgary. flames here like last week to me was the one that sort of wiped out the flames like the two losses against winnipeg and the loss against montreal it seemed like that was the last gap you're right like they still play hard cadre still playing hard um yeah there's just there's just there's not

there's not there's not there and i think we all understand where this is going what do you see with the calgary flames right now not from lack of effort but like what do you see there it's it's it's definitely not from lack of effort they're very well coach i i think ryan husk is a terrific coach. He's got a great staff. Dave Lowry's now on the bench. Trent Cull, defense coach, my old teammate in the Windsor Spitfires. It was funny. I hadn't seen Trent, I hadn't seen Trent since like 1990. And I finally got to catch up with him. Oh, amazing guy. Very good defense coach. I love their staff. I think they got great people. Dustin Wolf, now that I've got to watch him every game, Jeff, he is a talented, talented

goaltender. I'll say number one, I do believe in bounces. I do believe in bounces, and they're getting none. They are getting none. They very easily could have won this last game against Ottawa, ricochet goal, shoot it, and you're up to the shootout God. So I think bounces have been an issue. Past special teams weren't good to start the season. They're getting better at those. And it's just perhaps last year is like they almost made it, but did they overachieve that is is that the question do you raise the raise the expectations for this year but it just i just think with them if this continues i'll have to do something for sure absolutely um but cadry's been really good uh do you know who i really like on this team

and i didn't know a lot he's in the west and i predominantly watched the east a little bit more last year i'm a big blake coleman fan oh yeah i think this this this guy man he gets up and down the ice, great penalty killer, good leadership guy, brings it every night. So they're not, I'll tell you this, they're not what their record says. They're not what their record says, but they still have to be

better. For sure. We'll let you get to the airport. You're a busy guy. Enjoy Nashville. Jason York, make good decisions while you're in Nashville. Always remind everybody, make good decisions. We're in and out, Jeff. We're in and out. Actually, you know what? It's

It's an afternoon broadcast tomorrow, but we got Halloween tonight, so it'll be interesting to see a Broadway's like on Halloween. I guess everybody's dressing up, right? You're going to get, they dress up when it's not Halloween. You're going to get a full eyeball tonight. You have fun, pal. We'll catch up soon. Have a safe flight.

Thanks, Jeff. Good chat with you. There he is the best. JC Newark right there from coming in hot, as heard right here on daily faceoff and seen right here on our daily faceoff YouTube channel and handling color duties for the Calgary Flames games. Great to hear his analysis of that team that has probably deserved a better fate based on how hard they work, but hard work doesn't guarantee you results.

It guarantees you an answer to one question, and that question is, how good am I? All right, we had a lot of stories there, Isaac. Like, I was supposed to get into Ottawa. I know I'm a really bad host. I was supposed to get into Ottawa talk, like, right away, make it interesting, make it relatable. And then York and I just start blouseing off on dumb hockey stories. To be honest with you, I think that today's one of those days with these stories.

These people just love these. Like, we got into the hockey talk. We touched on Sends. We touched on flames. All right. Some old school stories. Rosie's going to come on. Do you like the tie shopping?

Everyone's going to tell stories. Do you like the tie shopping story? That's how you got to go tie shopping. Just go to the front desk when you check in at every hotel. I was here about two weeks ago. I left some ties in the room. Bring out a basket. Sure enough, there'll be a bunch of guys.

I might try that. Could be a little. Dude, it works. But trust me. Trust me. It's also not as common anymore. What's that? Like wearing ties?

People don't wear ties as common anymore as often anymore. I like wearing ties. I do. Same. Same. But the thing is, I can only do the double wins. That's it. That's the only not to know how to do.

We talked about ties yesterday, the Wushinsky. Drew Remenda, San Josei Shark's broadcast, the master of the ties. I've never been able to do the dimple. You can't tie a tie? All your years playing minor hockey, you cannot do a tie? No, you know what I did, right? You got your dad to do it once, and then you just kept it loosened. You did.

Such a... You serious? You're that guy? So, so I had to buy a new tie, because I had to buy a new tie. Because I went to my buddy's wedding in the summer And his girlfriend, like, enforced the tie policy And I had to get my buddy to tie the tie for me on the way there Because I had a panic, I was like, oh, shit, I don't have my tie tie tie.

That's embarrassing. That's embarrassing. I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying. We're different generations, though. But I learned how to do a tie. But again, like, I learned the one knot and that's the only knot I can do. I've always wanted to be able to do the dimple, the dimple knot, but I can't.

I even know where it's called. I've always been able to want to do. But just loosening the tie that your dad did for you is so minor hockey. That is such a minor hockey move. Think smart. Except it looks like crap. Except your tie ends up looking terrible. Peacote.

Peacote, toque. Picoot, Duke. Messy tie. You're good. All right. Jay Rossell told the come to Dan McKenzie, the president of the CHL. I'll still to come on the program. In the meantime,

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to all of the ingredients you need to make your favorite game day dip before, during, and after the game. Uber Eats is assisting every fan's hockey experience all season long. What do you have for us today, Zacharoo? yep we got three different ones here today uh this one we're going back through some different time zones here so starting right in 1987 marcel dion scored his 700th career n hl goal becoming the third player to achieve that 1995 brian leach reached 500 career points when he registered

two assists and a five three win against the new york uh for the new york rangers against the san jose sharks and in 2021 ryan getzlaff became the anaheim ducks all-time leading score by recording his 989th point in a 4-2 win against Montreal Canadiens. I want to talk about the guy whose nickname was Little Beaver. Marcel Dion. Why are you laughing? It was given to him when he was very young.

It was after a smallish wrestler, Lionel Giroux, whose nickname was Little Beaver. That's what they called Marcel Dion. Le Petit Castor Camonde d'Ine Franca. Why are you laughing? Keep going. You're not going to be able to hold it together because you're fucking 12. That's why, because you're 12 years old and you can't hold together.

His nickname was really Little Beater. Yes, it is. And he's one of the best hockey players who ever played the game. He is all-time. Let me grab this here. All-time scores in the NHL. Marcel Dion comes in at 6th. 1771 points.

I want you to think about this. Who's the best second overall pick? in the history of the game. To me, it comes down to two, maybe three. There's Marcel Dion, there's Chris Pronger, and Yvgeny Malkin.

Now, there's some in this generation that are going to make some noise for that title, Alexander Barkoff, Jack Eichel, right? There's these types of players. I think Drew Dowdy is probably in that mix as well. There's some other great ones,

Daniel Sedin, The second overall draft pick, as is Brendan Shanahan. But in the history of hockey, I don't know that there's been a better number two. Second overall pick than Marcel Dionne. He wrote a great book along with Frank Mahavlich's son, Ted Mahavulich, a number of years ago. And he was one of the only players that I was nervous to meet. because remember my dad would always tell me about when I was a kid how great Marcel Dion is

but we never got a chance to see him because he played in Los Angeles and this isn't the time where every single hockey game was on every screen every team every household had the potential to watch a hockey game every hockey game you would see the Los Angeles Kings very rarely I would read about Marcel Dion playing with the Los Angeles Kings

but never really get a chance to see him until the playoffs rolled around and then finally oh look at this oh it's a miracle on Manchester here let's watch the Los Angeles Angeles Kings and those great uniforms. Best second overall draft pick ever, maybe close second, Chris Palmer, Chris Pronger, maybe close second, Nivgeny Malkin. Anyway, that is my thought on Little Beaver.

What's your thought on Little Beaver? Great nickname. That's my thought. Is that going to be an awkward transition to our next guest, or is you going to roll with it? No, if anybody can roll with it, it's him. All right. He's one half of the powerhouse duo.

that is Leif's morning take. He's also a star on the Spit and Chicklets podcast as well. He's a bon vivant. He's a man about town. He's here to tell us stories. Some of them might even be true. He's a great Jay Rose Hill and he joins me now. How you doing today, Rosie?

A little beaver. Sounds like a name he picked up on a road trip back in the day. No, this is when he was a kid. He had a resemblance to a, I don't think they don't, the politically correct term is not midget wrestler anymore. But a midget wrestler by the name of, who went by the name Little Beaver, and he looked like him, and that nickname just sort of always stuck with him.

I don't know what you were thinking, Jay, but that's where my mind went right away. Hey, so it's Halloween, and I'm so proud of, I know I've been bigging up Philly a lot on the show, but I'm really proud of Philly today because the question he came up with is a great one. The QOD for today's program, what moment haunts you the most in your hockey fandom?

Now, you played, so this might be something from your career, maybe a restless night before you had to fight the boogeyman. Maybe it's when you're a kid. Like for me, it was a Lanny McDonald trade that just shook 10-year-old me to the core. What is the moment that haunts you the most in your hockey fandom, Jay Rosso? Oh, I think I've got lots of scary moments and haunting scenarios in my career, no doubt. But one that stands out to me is it was my second game playing overseas. And I was in Glasgow playing.

We were in Belfast the night before. They had me net front of the power play, and no one wanted to stand there. So I stood there, was big, took one off the knee, scored a goal power play. Guy says if you stand there all year long, you'll get a ton of points. So my confidence is high. Very next night, second game overseas. I've been there about a week. Standing net front of the power play, big back scratching clapper.

I just watched that thing go right into my face and put me on my arse. and uh oh black it out Zach you are such a wimp that's the best part of it's YouTube it's YouTube YouTube will pull it for blood YouTube will pull it for blood Oh it will it's not it's not because we can't do Just because I don't want to I want to show it

Oh man Oh there's a hole in the side of my face I three teeth are gone it broke my palate like the roof of my mouth Just crushed it I remember put me on my arse and I got up and started skating to the bench. I'll never forget licking around my mouth and just teeth and meat everywhere.

It was awful. I was going to our bench and then I went by their bench and looked up at them as I kind of spit some blood out and they all just like, they all were repulsual. Oh! And I was like, and I just hooked her over to the other doors to go to the dressing of my figure that was the end

of my night. And yeah, I'm just now over. That was probably 2016. I'm just now over getting the work done to repair all of that man. So you're still getting that, you're still getting that worked on? Yeah. So different nerve endings and posts and, um, implants and, uh, I did bone grafts and all kinds of hours and hours and hours in the chair. Just, just nightmare scenario. Very fitting for this Halloween day. Do you think that we're getting to a place? Now, I'll preface this

by saying, once upon a time, if you mentioned the idea of mandatory helmets, people would scoff at you or mandatory visors people would scoff at you do you think that eventually the n hl gets to a place with mandatory cages oh goodness i really hope not i mean how like okay so that's like as bad of a story as you can get is is mine and what is it lost some teeth like i i really think that being able to see the players faces um and and have access to them and their personalities and you know their brand i think is huge and i hope that always stays they don't they don't load up the guy's face with the big chin you can't really see who's who when you're wearing a cage you really can it takes away from it so i hope not my god they already got visors and

like i like of all the years of no one wearing visors there's one guy that stands out with an eye injury which is kind of shocking and i'm not against visors but just let let the men make grown-up decision stop. I'm, I'm, listen, I'm, I'm of the, I don't like telling anybody what to do with their life. You do whatever you want to do with, with, with your life. I don't like telling people how to live. I don't like telling people what to do. Like I am, I am not that person. My only thought on it is I can see owners who invest a lot of money in players that help bring them in a lot of revenue. And if like one of the superstar players is down for like an entire season or however

long because of going through what you went through and they could remedy that. And, by putting on a cage, I just wonder what the decision would be. I'll tell you a funny story. Here's a funny story for Halloween. It's Bob Your story. So Bill Masterton passes away in the NHL. It's in Minnesota, Los Angeles, Kings game.

Hits his head on the ice and passes away two days later. And everyone in the league starts to get understandably nervous about playing without a helmet. And all of a sudden, everybody's putting on helmets or trying to play with a helmet. and even the Boston Bruins, who always prided themselves on, like, none of our guys wear helmets, none of our guys wear helmets, including Bobby Orr. And he tries it at practice. And halfway through practice, he takes it off. And as the story goes, one of the reporters afterwards loaded question, and you know this reporter had been like dying to ask it. So one of the reporters goes up to Bobby and says, Bobby, let me get this straight.

you'll wear a jock strap but you won't wear a helmet and Bobby turns around and says that's right because I can always get someone else to do my thinking for me good answer I like those ones one of the great comebacks of all time on this on this Halloween

to extend the motif scary times in Toronto J. Rose Hill is this just like roller skating down a gravel road because this is a team in transition or learning to play a different way with new personnel. I know sometimes when you try to figure out what teams are like this early in the season,

it's like trying to grab a handful of water. But as best you can, grab the handful of water that are the Toronto Maple Leafs right now. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I keep bringing myself back to the summer where unanimously everyone thought, said and agreed that this is going to take some time. Don't be surprised if there's growing pains.

Don't be surprised if they don't come out of the gates hot. They're reinventing themselves in a certain way. There's a bunch of new players to get used to. There's going to be line combination configurations going on left, right, and center, and that may take some time. So nobody freak out if they don't come out of the gates hot. Well, they did not come out to the gates hot, but I don't think that prevented anyone from freaking out.

It seems like, you know, it is a theme. for October, like they won the Atlantic Division last year and their record was eerily similar to the one this year in the month of October. So, yeah, while it seems like a long month and there's one blunder after another, I think you need to keep in mind that you should have been prepared for this to be, you know, a process and there be some growing pains. It's still frustrating to watch. Yes, does everyone still want to dissect and figure out what is wrong and what could be better? Also, yes. Whenever I get frustrated and I'm like, I'm just going to go off today. I'm like, pump the brakes.

Remember how you felt in the summer when you knew that this might be, you know, a bumpy road for the first bit of the season. It's kind of like, you know, I look at it, I was talking about this the other day on the show, it's kind of like rebuilds. You know, every fan when their team has taken that dip and, you know, playoffs are not going to be on the horizon. Every fan base talks about how we need to rebuild and we're all behind the rebuild and let's do the rebuild. that last one year

and then it's like okay so when did the results come oh whoa whoa whoa whoa like five minutes ago you were saying you were cool with the rebuild yeah yeah yeah yeah but that was five minutes ago now now we want the team now like the one thing we know about hockey really is the one thing we know about sports

is there's two speeds super slow and super fast and rebuilds are super slow that's why I'm hearing you talk about this and you're like you know pump the brakes pump the brakes here this isn't a rebuild but it's a team that's playing differently with new personnel and everyone said they were fine with that in july most people did yeah but that's not very um that's not indicative of the market that they play in and i guess i understand

that but um yeah i feel like the problems that they have i mean they've been riddled with injuries um you know anthony stolars has been carrying the crease with the absence of joseph wall which is you know not something he's really done before um and hasn't played his best we know there's better the D-Core, you know, Taneb's been out and guys have been out. And they're not playing their best. We know that they can. Forward, same idea. And I do think on the positive side of things that the problems they're having.

I mean, you're seeing their breakdowns. They're not supporting the puck. They don't have layers. They don't seem to have a common theme that they're always trying to lead with where guys are familiar, where everybody is. It seems like they're winging it. Every breakout, every neutral zone regroup, every entry. They're just winging it.

And it hasn't led to. a whole lot of success. But I do think that those are issues that you can clean up in a hurry and they are getting used to each other and nobody has played with the same guy with too much familiarity at all. They're putting the lines in a blender, actually, the way

Sheldon Keefe did. And I really think that Brubay is trying to find some chemistry with certain people and figure it out. Again, it's the first month of the season. I think the problems that they have here, I would not be shocked if we hit Christmas and look back and say, oh yeah, remember that brutal start. It's been a theme for this hockey team.

team for a while now. Is there a way, and maybe this is unfair because everybody, every team has such different personalities, but I'll throw this out there anyway. Is there a way that this team, given the personnel, has to play? Like, can this be like an East West team? Does this, can this team be like a table hockey? Here's your lane. Stay in it.

If you're a winger and you can't touch the boards, you're out of position. Like, what kind of team based on the personnel do you think this Maple Leaf Squad should be? Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, we know what they've been in the past, and that's pretty high talent, high octane, you know, try to win six, five type of, type of a team. And I just think that the theme that came out of that decade was that's all fine and Danny in the regular season,

but you just never can rely on it come playoff time, like one after another after another. It was proven. So it was put up or shut up. We're going to give another one of those types of players the bag, and just like cement this team into being that team for the foreseeable future, we're going to make a change.

And I think the change was, let's try to spread that money around so we have, you know, more of a wealth of size, of physicality, of workhorses, of four checkers, guys that you can just roll out there

in the playoffs and play like, you know, the Boston Bruins did in years past and the Tempe Lightning and the Florida Panthers and the Vegas Golden Knights, all teams that have won Stanley Cups. It's kind of a copycat league.

I think the question right now is do you have the leadership who can adopt that? Like, well, Willie Nielander, will Austin Matthews, can they adopt that mentality too? Because they're the ones running the ship. And if they're not willing to, it's kind of hard to call that your identity. And I think they're wrestling with that right now. John Tavares, goal number 500. I believe there's only five other players, and he's not eligible for the Hall of Fame yet, but here we go. 500 goals is

we're once upon a time 400 goals with the barrier to entry for the hockey Hall of Fame now it's 500 you get 500 goals and all of a sudden it's like okay you know that's a number where you should look at

and say okay let's have a look at the career and is that going to get him in the hockey hall of fame does 500 goals for John Tavares for you get him in the hockey Hall of Fame who great question you know

it's interesting it's it's who is going to be eligible around him at the same at the same time um you know i'll tell you one thing put a stanley cup ring on his finger and it's a no-brainer right that's the one thing there's guys that are in there who you know are basically propped up by by their cup rings and and their trophies and rightfully so and it's you know you crunch the numbers and 500 is unbelievable i just it's unfathomable i there's not even 50 people who have walked this earth who have done it and he's one that has is just maybe that's enough right there right

but from his longevity professionalism the way he handles himself leadership qualities I maybe it'll take a little longer but I think he's a guy that'll be in the hall one day so here are the names there are four others

okay that have hit 500 goals that aren't in the Hall of Fame Patrick Marlow Keith Kichuk Peter Bondra Mr. Capital and Pat for Beak. Everybody else hit 500 here in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

I don't think there's any cups in that list, is there? Nope. Well, they're at Pat for Beak. Pat for Beak won a cup with Dallas in 99. Okay. He was at Dallas on that 99 team. Yeah, it's funny. Some guys can do everything but that cup,

and it holds them back in people's minds. It might hold them back in the Hall of Fame's mind. But I tell you one thing, for everything John Tavares has done, that cup ring, just one, would just cherry on top. And then guaranteed Hall of Fame, you could die with a smile on your face. You know, I'm sure he feels that way. It's the one big thing that every player wants to do.

He's done everything and then some, but not that special, special thing, which is when a championship. There's one biggie from history. I mean, there's a lot now, like ovies, you know, on the, knocking on the door here of 900. The, the, the, um, there is a massive one here. and technically he's still playing. He's just retired from the NHL, and that's Yager. I think pretty safe to say Rosie is going to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Pretty safe to say. Legendary, legend. His cups are so long ago. Most people listening probably weren't born when Yager went. Early 90s. It's wild. That guy's a legend. I got to Philly right after he left there,

and the guys would talk about him all the time. and just they spoke so highly of him, his work ethic. I mean, he's got the ice before practice. He's skating around. He's doing practice with ankle weights and weighted vests. He just loved it. And the fact that still playing pro hockey is unbelievable. And the way he rubbed off on the younger generation,

still being effective at the age that he was when he was still in the NHL is nothing short of impressive. And those guys remember it, I'll tell you that. The weight, running the stairs with the weight vest. Like whenever I was doing a game, that, you know, that Jaeger was involved in just watching them, just watching them run stairs of the wait fest. I just through the whole rank.

I'm like, what, what species are, what species are you? Like, are we this, like, technically, we're the same species, but like, it really doesn't feel like that. We're doing different things out there. Last one, last one for you, in your time playing in the NHL, who loved Halloween more than anybody else? Maybe it was you. Like, who was the one guy that just, like,

live for Halloween? big costumes every year party at his place was there one guy who just like lived and died on Halloween love it uh I do remember Dion Funuf cruising around the the locker room and like making sure everyone had a costume and it better be good and don't cheap out on it and like wanting it to be like a good picture uh him and him and Alicia his wife showed up and they were head to toe like professional makeup like most of the guys pretty good and spend a few bucks on a really good outfit but I remember being like now I got to put in some real effort here

because Dion's going to be on my case so uh he's married to an actress like all of a sudden like the game's different in Toronto man like like Clark MacArthur sorry thinking of that that party Clark MacArthur was was Forrest Gump and his wife was Lieutenant Dan and she was in this wheelchair. She was flexible and could put her, like, sit on her knees. And it looked like she had no legs in this wheelchair.

And she was done up like Lieutenant Dan. And he looked exactly like Forrest. And people would just fall over laughing when they saw them. It was the best costume, I think I've ever seen. I could, I could, I don't know his wife, but I could, I could totally see Clark MacArthur as for us as Forrest Gump. Oh, that's so good. What was your favorite?

What was your favorite costume? Do you have one? Oh. Oh, are you just standard, like, throwing a pair of fangs. Look, I'm Dracula. Here's my capewards of beer. No, like one time I was like full spandex and had like ping pong balls over me. And, you know, back in the day when they'd like, like, I'd like EA sports on my chest and you'd be like a video game simulator guy.

It was funny because people would look and they'd know what it was right away when you saw it. But to describe, it sounds kind of weird. I don't know how I came up with that. But I've been a few years, and I'll, I don't mind like embarrassing myself. So I always go out there. Usually I'm showing like some. kind of skin or being half naked or something. It's kind of weird, but I think I'm getting old.

Look, it's Jay Rose Hill with spandex and ping pong balls all over him. Now we know what religion he is. Jay, thanks, pal. We'll catch up soon. Have a great Halloween tonight. Thanks, I appreciate it. Happy Halloween, man. To you too.

The great Jay Rose Hill from Leith's morning. I had to throw that one in there, Zach, a little bit of spice. That would be a funny one. I like that one, too. You get a lot of giggles on today's show. It's a laid back Friday. It's a fun show today. Fun show, fun show.

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Turn the recreation over the artist. Describe your masterpiece today, Zach. Again, you said, you had some choice words. I won't share what they were, but I'm giving some credit here to Vic who helped me word and frame this one here today. Day late, no, day late dollar short Vic, day late dollar short Vic, beat it, beat it. Take a long walk on a shirt here. Keep walking until your hat floats, Vic.

Keep walking until your hat floats. As you discussed throughout the course of the show today, what moment haunts you the most in your hockey fan? We've got a ton of different approaches to this one as Rosie got in a slap. I hit in the face. Yorkie, the trade stories, all that kind of stuff. So what I'm going to do, Jeff, I think this is the best way because I wasn't sure how many we were going to get.

We got a lot. So I'm going to rattle them off. You tell me what one stand out. You stop on them if you want to. because there's some really good ones. There's some that are just worth a laugh, but let's get into it here. So these are some of the responses that we've got here today

with our spooky music playing in the back there. Oh, I love that. I love that. This one comes in from Matrim Ebarra, The Breadman for Saude, and then watching it slowly fall apart for the Hawks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a tough one. Trades are easy ones.

That was mine. That was mine. That was my name McDonald. But yeah, or Tammy Panera for Brandon saw it. Good one. Like? Yep.

This one comes in from Desert Hockey 25. Also comes in from producer Vic and about 18 other people. It was 4-1. That's yours. That is the tweets. That is also mine. Yeah. Yeah.

Hockey PTSD. Yes, I know. Yes. Hockey fan in NC says the Wings signing Franzin, who I loved at the time, over Marion Hosa. You know how I feel about Hosa. One of the best players of all time.

Every team has one of these. And Philadelphia Flyers fans will always recall the choosing John Van Biesburg over Curtis Joseph decision that Bobby Clark made so many years ago. Every fan base has that. The trade where we have the two, which one are we going to choose, and the GM makes the mistake. Happens no one bats a thousand.

So we've also got here I didn't even realize I grabbed this one P sweet math Being a Buffalo Sabres fan Oh come on like I know they dropped a couple of games Tough one last night But like let's not kick the team when they're down

There were some glory years For the Buffalo Sabres And cross your fingers There's more on the horizon I hope so I Man 14 years though Geez just take it in the chops It's tough

MJB Haynes Dan Hamwhey's injury from hip-checking Yep Hemhughes Uh hip-checking Loochich in the 2011 finals The series turning point in my opinion Ooh I mean there were there were a few in that series That was one of the best I mean I was I was there for it

I was there for the game seven for the riots And try to wade my way through Uh fires and police horses and meth fights and all kinds of stuff That was one of the best Stanley Cup finals ever. I know as a Canucks fan, you may not like it. I think another great, unfortunately, it was Canucks on the wrong end of things, was a 94 final, which was fantastic.

Those are two of the top 10 Stanley Cup finals of all time. That Bruins Canucks, man. You want to talk about instant hockey hatred right from the get-go? That was it. And every shift was like that. God damn Ham Hughes is a great player too. But, you know, take a run at Milan Lucchita,

at your own risk in 2011. He was a good body checker, though. He was a great body checker. Druid 8, 2007 playoffs Luongo, arguing with the refs while the winning goal is scored. Yeah, there's that one. Didn't we get a few about Luongo?

Yeah, so this one also comes in... What was that other one? There's another one that was great. Yeah, so this one comes in from ZAQ 532. A couple numbers in there. The Panthers made three separate trades involving Roberto Luongo. In each one, they traded away my current favorite player on the teams at the time. From the Islanders, and again, you're going to have to correct me on these names, Jeff.

I apologize. Okay, no problem. And the names that I'm saying incorrectly. But from the Islanders, they sent Oleg Kvasha. Oleg Kvasha, big forward. Stud. To the Canucks, they sent Lucas Crycheck with him, sorry. To bring him back from Vancouver, it was Jacob Markstrom.

Man, I'm glad the things worked out the way that they did for Jacob Markstrom because there was a while there where we kept saying he's the best goaltender outside of the NHL and man, Florida's got a good one, but then in some ways could never really get out of his way. Like there would be like glimpses of how great this guy could be. And then, listen, goaltending is volatile, I get it. I'm just glad that he's pulled it together and turned in a fantastic career because there were times where we all sort of wondered, is it ever going to happen for Jacob Markstrom,

the best goaltender outside of the NHL. That's now Mirrishad, by the way, the American Hockey League for Pittsburgh. God, that guy's good. Stephen Ellis, who always has good answers to this. Summer ice hockey team lost a championship game to a team with no goalie in 2010. Whoa.

With no goalie? With no coley is what the tweet says. How do you lose a ball hockey game? How do you lose a ball hockey game on the team with no goalie? I don't know, but playing in men's league games or the other team's goalie doesn't show up or leaves is the most, like, deflating feeling of all time. I don't know how many times it's happened to you, but we had one recently, Jeff, where the goalie got hurt on the first shot of the game, and the other team decided that was it. They were done. They were quitting.

and it was like, well, we just drove here. Now what? Yeah, they were like, well, we don't have a goalie, so we're done. I was like, what do you mean you're done? Like, it was, you know what it actually was? It was funny enough, it was Halloween last year. No way. That was when the game happened, yeah.

And then I was supposed to go do stuff and didn't get to because the goalie got hurt on the first shot of the game. Speaking of Halloween, let me do like, can pop up with the Doug Favel mask? So this is actually Halloween, is the reason why we have painted masks in the NHL. I have painted masks in hockey. This was the beginning of it. So I think it was seven. Now, first

of all, Jerry Cheever's was the first to put any types of markings on his mask. But that mask was the first one that was fully painted. This is Doug Favel. I want to see 71 or 72. Now, this story goes,

it was Halloween and the trainers asked Doug who at that point had a white mask if they could play around with his mask for the game that night. I believe it was against the Los Angeles Kings. And so as a joke, the trainers painted the whole thing orange. Now, it's the Philadelphia Flyers, so orange makes sense. But they painted his mask like a pumpkin for Halloween. And that was the beginning of every other goaltender in the NHL starting to paint their mask. You can trace it all back to Doug Favel. And unfortunately, that mask got painted over. But that was the beginnings of goalies, painting the

masks. You can thank Doug Favelle. You can thank the trainers of the early 70s and Philadelphia Flyers. And you can thank Halloween and a prank on Doug Favell for painted masks that we enjoy to this day. And with that, we'll transition to one of our favorites around here. He is a president of the CHL. He is Dan McKenzie. And later on in November, the CHL USA Prospects Challenge in Calgary and Lethbridge, Dan. How are you today? I'm doing all right, Jeff. How are you? I'm doing well. Well, happy Halloween. The question of today, I'll kind of put you on the spot here.

You can go whichever direction you want with this one. Because mine was, I was 10 years old and Lannie McDonald got traded and I was distraught. So here's the question of the day, what moment haunts you the most in your hockey fandom? It can be a game, it can be a trade, it can be anything that you're like, oh, this shook me. This, oh, I can't, this rattled me when it happened. For some, it might be the Gretzky trade. For me, it was the Lany McDonald deal. Do you have one that still to this day haunts you, Dan?

So when I was a kid, I grew up in southern Ontario. And I was a, so I was born in 1969. So I was a Philadelphia Flyers fan. And so that was the Broad Street Bullies. And my down the street best friend was a guy named Greg Dvorsky, who you probably would know that name. So hang on a second year, like from the famous Dvorsky family of officials? Yeah.

So Greg, Paul, his father was, Bill was a, you know, a significant figure in the officiating world in our area, for sure. Anyway, Greg was a Leif's fan, and I was a Flyers fan, and we, you know, whenever we'd play each other on the driveway, it was always Clark against Sittler or I was Bernie Perraught, and he was so. And the Bernie Prawn injury that ultimately curtailed his career, I think, was for me. It was a big one. Oh, yeah. The stick in the eye, absolutely. Well, I'll tell you what, I don't want to sort of, I hate the, and I always end up doing this. Like, oh, I'm going to big dog this story.

But let me color this story in because there's a junior hockey association to this one. That's going to transition us to our conversation through the Ottawa 67s. Bernadette Dvorski, the mom. Bernadette Dvorsky was the delivering nurse. when Logan Couture formerly of the Ottawa 67's and then San Jose Sharks was born.

That is like my most arcane piece of trivia that the legendary officiating family's matriarch delivered Logan Couture NHL superstar, former Ottawa 67, and with that we'll get into a junior hockey talk and I do want to talk about the draft

and I do want to talk about prospect rankings and I do want to talk about where the CHL is at right now with with prospects. But listen, I had such a good time last year at the London and Oshawa games in the CHL USA Prospect Challenge. This year, November 25th and 26th in Calgary and Lethbridge. Last year was a fun event and it was a cool event. I'm glad that this continues as a tent pull event for the CHL.

Rosters announced earlier this week. What should we expect this time around? This is obviously populated by a lot of players. You're going to see in the, like last year, I think it was like half the first round was in that game. And it feels like it's going to be the same this time around. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly. I think if you said, what are you going to see? I think you're going to see two things.

You're going to see really high-level prospects, really high-level talent on the ice. I think we have on Team CHL, there's 22 players, 15 are A-ranked by the NHL Central scouting. And the other seven are B-rank. So you're talking about, you know, elite players. And I think that, you know, the thing that you're going to see, and one of the reasons why we really like this format is, you know, this isn't an All-Star game. This isn't a, you know, the game's not going to be 10-9.

You know, these teams care, especially in today's sort of environment, right? Like, you know, the players on Team CHL are, you know, I think are going to be happy to represent CHL and care. And I think you're going to find the same thing, obviously, about players on the United States national team who are going to be, you know, really keen on avenging, you know, they ended up losing the games last year. They're going to want to come back and win and show well. But there's a lot of pride on the line.

And so, you know, I think that's something that's exciting. And I think the fact that it's two games also matters. And I know from speaking with our friends at the NHL on the central scouting side, they're really happy that they're getting opportunities to see players play in two games. And they even said last year after the game, they really saw some players face adversity in the first game. come back and show well in the second game, which really helped the draft stock. And those are the kinds of little things that, you know,

scouts are looking for. It's, you know, the other thing, like, I remember going back to Latin, the London game specifically, perhaps a little bit more so than the Oshawa game, you always think about where's the moment where a kid pops

and sort of gets on, like scouts know all these players going in, but gets on like fans' radars. And that first hit that Kashan Aitchison laid, and it might have been towards the end of the first period of the first game, but everyone kind of went like, ooh, who's this, you know, Kashan Acheson.

Like, if you're just like a casual fan, you know, all the heavyweights going in, like the star players, you know, I wonder like, you know, someone like Caleb Malhotra with the Bulldogs. Like everyone knows, like the family background through Manny. But I wonder, like, one of the things about this game is,

or these two games, is it's not club play. So you're getting elite level talent against elite level talent. And this is a place where if you're a prospect that wants to make a name for yourself this is a great avenue and forum for those players to do so it it absolutely is and I think it I think these players have all played against each other in high level competition whether

it be at the you know the u-18s or the helenka or the u17 challenge like there's a whole bunch of places that they would have played each other um you know and so I think that's that's there's some familiarity but I also think that to your point maybe some players who are who maybe aren't at the, you know, viewed it being at the top of the list right now, have an opportunity to jump. And I do, I remember one of the things I remember last year, you know, watching the first game, it really became clear that Matthew Schaefer was something special.

He, he separated himself. And I think that was one of the first, you know, times where I, you know, I remember after, you know, following all the press after, that he really separated himself. So it can happen at both ends of the spectrum in terms of the players. And I also remember the other one, I really. remember it's an interesting sort of nugget to this game is in the in the second game in oshawa the the u.s. goalie bottinger played phenomenal stood on his head and he's now going to be playing for team CHL this here close an interesting yeah it's just an interesting twist so um so like listen

i think it's it this is about the kids have an opportunity to showcase their skills in an environment that's sort of set up perfectly for them um the games matter i think it's going to matter to the players going to matter to the teams the U.S. team wants to win. We want to win. We've got an all-star lineup of coaches. We've got some of the top coaches. Well, we probably have the top coaches right now in each of the leagues

between Willie Dejard and Jay McKee and Sylvan Favreau. The games are going to be phenomenally competitive. The talent level is going to be super high. It's best on best. You know, nothing better. So it's going to be fun. And I'd be remiss if I didn't say if you're in southern Alberta and you're looking to buy tickets,

It's CHL.c slash prospects challenges where you can go. Again, first nights in Calgary, second nights in Lethbridge. And it's going to be a ton of fun. I can't wait. You know what I love? And this is a small hockey geek thing. I love warm up with all the junior players wearing the club jerseys.

I just think it's like it's the coolest look. Like right away you can get out there and sort of like identify your guy or your guys. And speaking of which, I want to ask you about J.P. Hurlbert, who's come into Camloops, playing with the Blazers. from Texas you know Tom Galardi owns the Dallas Stars Tom Galardi

Camloops Blazers I don't think that's a coincidence but nonetheless like he's he's come into the CHL and I know you have a lot of players coming in in and around their draft years right now and really torn it up

like he's been a phenomenal success early on here for the Camloops Blazers where are you seeing now I want to sort of dovetel his conversation into how the new reality has in many ways strengthen the CHL and there are a lot of players

now that are choosing and before their draft year to go play in the CHL. Hurlbert is one of them. If there wasn't this reality, do you think this player would be in the Western Hockey League? No.

No, I don't think he would. And I think, you know, another one would be Keel of Mohocha, who's going to play for, played for Team CHL as well. You know, the change last November

in the NCAA rule has resulted in, basically, we said it sort of at the time, it's giving players and their families and their agents, you know, lots of choices in terms of what they're, you know, where they feel the next best step for their development is.

And what we're seeing is that in this class of player, this age group of player, we're seeing a massive movement of players into the CHL from a variety of different places. But ultimately, they're choosing to play in our leagues. And, you know, JP's one of them, Caleb's one of them. But there's a lot of them. And, you know, we've seen about 250 ballpark players that have come in. And these are players we never would have, a lot of them we never would have gotten, right?

They were Americans who, you know, wanted to play. or who obviously wanted to play NCAA, some Canadians in the same boat, some Europeans in the same boat, some Europeans who maybe didn't have the opportunity because of the way our rules were set up. And so what we're seeing is we're seeing that, you know, the CHL is the preferred destination for this age of player, 16, 17, 18, 19 in the world. And so, you know, because these players especially pre-draft, feel like this is the place where they can they can develop the fastest get the most exposure

and it's events like the prospects challenge that give them that opportunity to do so you know along with you know the combination of schedule facilities coaching all the things that that make the CHL you know the best development league in the world You know, I look at it right now, and I say to myself, you know, the leading up to the, to the, to the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the H.L looks to me as the strongest it's ever been for all those reasons that you sort of, um, underline. What are the challenges for you after that? You've attracted, you know, a lot of talent from a lot of places. USHL and BCHL and European. You've up the import rule. Now there can be three.

What about after that? Like, is that like where the challenges begin? Well, I think, I mean, at that year, I think you're right. We are at a point where, you know, we are seeing, you know, the talent level of our league rise. I'd say overall rise. I think when you look at the central scouting rankings that came out a couple weeks ago, we had this year almost 75% of the players on the list, and the list was increased from last year, were from the CHL.

And record numbers from each of our leagues. It's not just coming from, say, the Ontario Hockey League. It's coming from everywhere. The WHL, the OHL, and the QMJJL all saw record numbers of players on those lists. So I think that's an assertion that, you know, it is a really great place to play if you want to get drafted into the NHL. I think to answer your question about what's next, I think, you know, we've had lots of discussions about, you know, at what point do players make their, again,

Again, as there's decisions to make on the entry point into the CHL, there's also decisions to be made on the exit point. And when do you leave? And do you leave with remaining eligibility? Do you not? And I think those decisions are still going to be made, right? I think that we saw some movement last year. We had about 20 players approximately with eligibility decide to leave and moved to the NCAA.

Again, about 250 came in on the other end. And I think what we're focused on, and you and I have talked about this, Jeff, before is just, you know, our, you know, we have to make sure that our places are great places for 19 year old players at the top end to continue to develop. And traditionally it has been, our league has been the combination of the schedule, you know, the opportunities, especially for leadership positions, playing a lot, playing a lot of minutes, playing a lot, a lot of situations, getting the chance to before you move on to pro hockey, all know it's a man's game and it's hard before you make that jump proving that you can you know

you can be the leader on your team or be a leader on your team or play a specific role and so um and i think that that you know one of the things that that we're focused on and i know you've had you know commissioners from our leagues on this show talking about the improvements that they're making in their in their development system i mean this is about developing players and it's about developing young men, both on and off the ice. But there's been a lot of focus in terms of the off-ice stuff in terms of facilities and all the areas where, you know, I think we hear about as it relates to opportunities they might have in the NCAA.

And so I think what you're seeing on our side, you're beginning to see, and I think it's really ramped up, and I think it will continue to ramp up because our communities and our teams are really competitive is they're going to make sure that they're going to make sure that they're doing all they can to develop their players. And they have the best facilities and coaching staffs and ancillary services, you know, whether, like, I mean, I'm talking like, you know, strength and conditioning coaches and mental performance coaches

and all those areas that are really important. And so I think that's going to probably be where you're going to see, continue to see, you know, work on our side to make sure that we're, that we're, you know, best able to compete and have a, discussion with a player and an agent when they're getting at that age where they're thinking the grass might be a bit greener somewhere else that we can say well here's what we've done and here's what we're you know here's here's how our our system can help you develop you know

at the elder state of your junior hockey career the one thing um that I have been impressed with which you know a part of me just just bluntly Dan I'm a little surprised that is how organizations, teams, managers are working with kids on their development path not just in the CHL, but elsewhere. People that I've spoken to like,

okay, this is what we've sort of laid out for this player. This is what he wants to do. This is how he's going to come through our system. And it's like, okay, you know what? Like that, that to me says, look, this is the CHL putting the premium on development. And I want to stress something like that is, those are the majority of conversations

that I have. Like that is like overwhelmingly teams working with the players and figuring out with them and their families and the teams what is best for their development. Now here's the turn. The comments by Antoine Roussel and Shakutomi about Nathan LaCompth. You know how sensitive an issue this is for me. I love these kids and I love the CHL and all three leagues. So our listeners and viewers understand.

Lecompt took a little bit time away from Chucotomy. There was speculation. he was going to jump to the USHL. I don't believe anybody contacted asking for our lease. And TVA Sports reporting, Antoine Rousselu, sits on the board at Chakutim, he said, I wouldn't let that player go. The league must make an example of him and make his life hard. Like when I hear that, like that is the complete antithesis of what I've heard from overwhelming

majority of other organizations. Like when you hear that, what. goes through your mind because in my mind that ain't helping at all well listen i i can't i can't make a comment on on um you know what what he was thinking when he said that with uh look um um roussel was thinking what when he said that so i i i can't really comment on that i do know you know with respect to this situation that the player that nathan um i believe we had sort of had indicated that that that after the prospects game last week that he wanted to take some time away and just more for his well-being, and I think he talked to his team about that, and they were the team

and his teammates, I think we're very supportive of that. I know his agent, you know, came out with something, and then, and I also know, as you said, that the team didn't receive any, there was no. That's what, that's my understanding. That's my understanding. And I also know the situation, I believe that the situation has resolved itself in terms of Nathan, back with his club and, you know, is, again, has talked to his team about where he's at and it's going to move forward and that team in particular is going to be you know i think a team that will likely go a long way this year just given the state that they're in so um so again but i can't i can't really comment on the comments from from uh result but i can tell you that to your to the first part

of the question around um development and and looking at a players uh you know full development across their time with us that is something that's beginning to be that i shouldn't say beginning of many of our teams have done that in the past but what we're finding is more and more teams are mapping that out with their with their players and and I think it's interesting because I think I think some of it comes down to with the change in the landscape with the NCAA rule change I think what you're seeing is a bit of a and I you know Jeff I know you're you're really well versed on the levels below the CHL and what happens in minor hockey and junior A and junior B I think that you know

With the change in the rule, there's beginning to be, there's becoming more of an interface, I'd say, between the CHL club and some of those levels below it. Yep. And a desire to have players be able to move, you know, move up and down, depending on what makes the most sense for the player. Understanding that a lot of cases, we're talking about like 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds who, you know, again, our league is really hard to play in when you're 16. So having opportunities where you can come up, play some, go down, play some, maybe play some midger, AAA, depending on where you're in the country, whatever it's called, and have a year when

you're 16 that, you know, that looks like it, it's really built around your development and where you're at is something that we're seeing more and more of. And I think it's indicative of how the vast majority of our teams are, you know, thinking about how they're going to develop their players. You know, one of the things that really stuck with me the last time we spoke here on this program, we're talking about what this year is going to be like. And your answer, whenever I say I don't know when someone asked me a question on podcast or video or television or wherever, I say like, look, this is going to be a bad talk radio answer, but my answer is I don't know. And you said that to me, but that had a lot of gravity to it because we don't know what this

season is going to look like. And one of the things that we wondered about is right now, the idea of jumping and going to NCAA perhaps earlier than you probably should or your family things. you should or your agent thinks you should or you think you should. We don't know what's going to happen when players say, you know what, this isn't what I thought it was going to be. And we've already seen,

you know, Ryland Gould go back to the, to the CHL. As you're looking at it now, like that's the thing that I wondered about. How many players are going to go and then come back and will they be welcome back with them open arms? And all the commissioners have told me the answer is yes. again, further to the whatever is right for that player's path is right for that

player's path. And if you make a move that didn't work out for you, well, there's still a home back here for you in the, in the CHL, do you have any clearer picture of what the rest of this first season of this new relationship is going to look like? Because your, I don't know, may not have been a great talk radio answer, but it was the right one. But do we now start to have an understanding where we're starting to know what this is going to be like. It's a long-winded question.

Well, at the risk of being, you know, a bad talk radio guest, I'm probably going to double down a little bit and say, I think, I think we still don't exactly know. Can you hear me? Did I? Yeah, I got you fine. Yeah, got you fine. Got you fine. I think it's still, there's still some time left to be, to be, before I can answer that question. I mean, listen, the first semester at NCAA schools, you know, has a, another six weeks probably to go. So we'll see. You know, I think that, I think that the one thing I would say,

and we've talked a lot about this at our table, like with myself and the commissioners and some other folks on the player development side, it's just in hockey, there's this, there's this. And as you know, I don't come from a full background hockey for my whole career. So I'm just, there's such a rush to get to the next level, right? And I wonder if eventually what's going to happen is as players are looking, trying to make their decisions, if eventually it becomes clear that, you know what, for the vast majority of players, and again, understanding, as you said, every situation is different.

But, you know, for a vast majority of your players, like, max out your time in junior, max out your time, if you're good enough to go to the NHL grade, if not max out your time of college, and then see what happens. It's like there's not a rush. And, you know, I don't know if that's going to be what's going to happen, but I think we're the, you know, you could throw out a player and say, hey, maybe the move to the NCAA was the right move. And others you look at it and you go, oh, they're not playing very much, or they're struggling and maybe they should stay. I think every player is different.

But I don't think we haven't seen, it's too early to tell exactly what, you know, what's going to happen. I think another couple months we'll know a little bit more and then again I think we're going to need to go through probably for at least one or two more cycles to see what the right if there's a general trend

but again in the meantime I think our job is to make sure that we're really really focused on doing all we can to make sure that our players are in the best developments to develop and have the right facilities and people around them and opportunities And if we do that, then, you know, we feel pretty comfortable about, you know, our ability to compete with anybody.

One of the things when I talk to junior hockey operators lately has been the idea of the 19-year-old to the American Hockey League and opening that door. Nothing is official yet, but teams keep saying we're preparing for it. Is there anything you can comment on there? Or are there anything? Like, is it a topic of discussion if it happens? like what do we do to the teams? Does every team get a, I'm getting ahead of myself, compensatory first round pick if they lose a player, et cetera?

Is there anything you can color in on that discussions? Because as you all know, that discussion is going around the CHO. Yeah, so I mean, this is one that is, it's a topic that is obviously of important, I mean, a very strong importance to us and to, you know, the NHL and the NHLPA. So in our deal, so we have a deal. with the with the NHL right now that that ultimately means that if a player doesn't stick with their NHL club after a certain amount of time that they get there's a mandatory return provision back to the CHL. And so the NHL has indicated us that they have an interest in

reopening our agreement around that issue with the support of the NHLPA. I don't think that's news. And so right now we're in a we're in a situation where we're I'd say we're more internally, we've spoken to the NHL, we did a presentation in September to their general managers just about our view on the matter and why we think it's a really important matter that we have to be careful and we've got to take some caution on and that, you know, we're going to do that. And so right now we're in the process of internally determining, you know, if the NHL wants some more flexibility in that area, what that might look like. and we're continuing to dialogue with the NHL on, you know, what that could look like.

And, and ultimately, the PA will have to be involved in some ways as well. And, but, you know, that'll be up to the NHL in terms of how that process works. But we're just, it's pretty early days. We have a bit of time, but we're something that we're, that we're just, you know, trying to figure out, you know, if there's a desire for more flexibility, what that could look like in such a way that it takes into account, you know, all stakeholders, including the CHL. A couple minutes left with you.

I got a couple more here. And thank you for your time. You're always generous. About a year ago, we all started talking about Newfoundland and the return of junior hockey to Newfoundland. And here we are. How has it been? Listen, from what I understand, it's been great.

I spoke to Mario and Glenn Stanford, their president around the launch. And I think he had a whole bunch of games in a row at the beginning. I think he had, you know, home games for the first six or eight of his games. And it sounds like from looking at the attendance numbers and that market, it sounds like it's been a really a home run. Home run on the days that the Toronto. Yeah, here we go.

But, no, it sounds like it's been really, really well received. And, I mean, that city is a great place for hockey. you know they've got a great arena the fans are passionate they've proven it through their support for other teams that have come through there i really do believe that based on again based on the discussions that i've had with the queue commissioner and with the folks on the ground and newfoundland that they've got the right model they've got the right ownership they've got the right um you know arena and set up and operators that they're going to be really successful And they also had the good fortune, I think, of the way the draft went.

They got a couple of hometown boys to start in their first draft, which always helps. So I think they're in, I think they're off to a great start. And again, we're really bullish on that market in terms of what it's going to be, you know, long termed for the Q and for the CHL. You just, I mean, we all know how much, you know, Newfoundland hockey fans love their, love their teams and embrace them and hold them close. last one for you again going back to the CHL USA Prospects Challenge this is in Calgary on the 25th Lethbridge on the 26th

last year I like I mentioned you like I love this event these these two games any tweaks any changes this time or if it ain't broke don't fix it no you know what it's so the rules are going to be the same for the most part

one this is a very specific thing that we're going to have to deal with a little bit is because of the way the rules work between countries in terms of the age of the players, the U.S. team were cages. And so we have to, we have to, if you remember last year, it got a little testy. Yes. In both markets, and there was a bit of grabbing of cages. So we have to deal with that.

So we'll be talking to the rest about that. But other than that, no, it's going to be, it's going to be full go. And again, best on best, super high level of competition. The other interesting thing, too, but given what we've talked about in terms of, you know, the level of play in the CHL and being, you know, and ultimately being the best, wanted to be the best development league in the world, we're seeing that reflected in the

post NCAA real change world where the CHL has, we have seven players of 22 that are going to be from non-Canadian. They're going to be U.S. or European. And so you mentioned Herobut, I mentioned Bottinger. Shilov is another one. Like there's, you know,

ripping up the queue. Ripping up the queue. You know, I mean, on the Canadian side, I mean, between you know, Ryan Lynn and Rubeck and Xavier, like, it's going to be, it's going to be amazing. That talent level on you is going to be great. Are you going out? Are you coming out? That is my plan. I loved it so much.

I'm hoping my boss is watching right now hearing me say, that is my plan, Dan McKenzie. I had such a great time and I love that part of Alberta as well. You mentioned Kate. Let me just indulge me for two seconds. And the last question. You mentioned cages. I was just talking to Jay Rose Hill about this at the NHL level. How about the CHL level?

Can you ever envision a day where cages are mandatory in the CHL? Listen, you could ever say never on anything. I don't know. I think that, again, our MO for a long time has been around, again, players to play at the next level and at the next level they don't wear cages. And so, you know, understanding that we do work with the best companies in the world in terms of safety for helmets, advisors and those kinds of things, neck guards are mandatory across our league. So I don't know. It's an issue that we'll continue to monitor and see where things go and, you know,

what the environment looks like. But I don't see a change in the short term. Got you. Okay, listen, thanks for being very generous with your time. As I mentioned, you always are. You really indulge me. I appreciate it. Good luck on the 25th and 26th in Calgary and Lethbridge. And fans can get tickets at CHL.ca slash prospects challenge. Perfect. Awesome.

Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Jeff. Take care. Happy Halloween. Go boojays. Yes. The only team hoping this, by the way, the only team hoping that the Jays could play a best of 11 of the Toronto Police right now.

Thanks to Dan McKenzie, the president of the CHL, for stopping by i know there was a lot in there and a lot to digest so we think uh dan is always for his time here on the program uh we kind of went extra heavy there zach i know i'm being really selfish with everybody's time but none but nonetheless um can i tell you some one thing about cages and stuff quickly sure that i know happened so in canadian university there were visors right yeah there's one team that implemented mandatory cages or face protection that's york University and that was i believe it started either this season or last year and it was because of insurance through the school and how they were trying to make sure the players were safe and make sure

that they could give them enough medical and everything like that to kind of support them so that was one of the teams i think it might be the first team in canadian university that made the switch and it's mandatory face protection my kids skates at york u uh three three times a week so next time out there i'll go check out lines practice and trying to find trying to find somebody what's what the fuck that that that you know what though that does make sense like that's what i always want even at the nchl level i wonder about like if you're if you're an owner of an nchel team and you lose someone for a significant amount of time and it could have been that injury could have been prevented by wearing a cage which all these guys always do that was

always the argument for visors oh you're always wearing facial protection growing up why not throw on a Why is it? Well, what's with the half measure? Might not throw on the entire cages. Okay, I want to wrap things up here and let everyone now and release everybody for their weekend because I know they're waiting on every word of this program with baited breath. What stupid thing is Merrick going to say next?

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Or fancy parlays by you Today you've put together some doozies lately Some good ones Yeah I thought about it And then I was like well I've got now O for 2 and I technically went Over 3 on the first one I did get Nick Robertson

I told you the I want to play for your team Maybe it's more hunger from his side of things Than it is from Chinikov Maybe that's what he was trying to tell us I'm telling you Chinikov and Evisen are cool now man They're all good They're all, hey, my friend and I are having a barbecue. Why don't you?

Come on over this weekend. Oh, I love to. Cheney, that sounds great. I'm sure. It's all sunshine and rainbows. Everything's great. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I don't have anything for tonight. I mean, look, reality is I'm going to have a significantly weighted eye on another TV. It's a rare time where, like, some other sport takes precedent for me. an opportunity for the Jays to win the World Series here in Toronto is going to be forefront but in the background Jeff three games at which by the way 4 p.m. I believe is a start time here

for Colorado Vegas is that was that correct I saw yeah four o'clock Eastern yeah four o'clock Eastern why are they do you know why they're doing that I didn't really look into it I just saw it before I'm like because they're West Coast teams it's not East Coast teams they're playing at four Eastern If you can fill up a bunch of Jay's fans on either team

And they were like Yeah, go ahead There's just a bunch of J's fans on either team And they're like, oh, you think we could move up that game That may earlier in the day? The avalanche and the G-nights here? There's something important going on here. I know we're paid to do this,

But later today, wink, wink, nudge, Oh, sure, boys, we'll move it up to 4 o'clock Eastern and play on a Friday at 1 o'clock. I thought that was kind of funny I don't know it's cool you get the this is where it is where it spreads out though 4, 7 and 10

that's the scheduling that we need that's where you just roll from one to the next again thank you to the NHL schedule maker for catering to me and my needs where I can go from

the ultimate couch watching experience that's what I want but regardless I mean yeah there's Matthew Barzell playing in this Islander's watch Washington game tonight. By the way, I sent a note to someone there. Let's see if I can get the answer by the time the show goes off the air.

Matt Brazzell playing tonight. Did you see what Biz called the game yesterday, by the way? Excellent job by the panel. That was really cool. He called it the sleep-in game. Although, you know what? I'll tell you what. Who was it?

It was Ken Campbell of the hockey news who brought up the great point. It was great watching. oh it's nevada day what's nevada day oh it's like uh it's like a ceremonial day in vegas uh for um once a second i can get it for you this is really great programming here that i've i've done this before i've reviewed games on nevada day uh why is this is the thing so it's nevada day so ken campbell i think it was ken campbell i think was King Campbell brought up the point that as much as the panel

State holiday So the bunch of the panel looked great dressing is the Hanson brothers They really missed a great opportunity To dress Henrik Lundquist up as Denny Lemieux The Gold Tender from Slopshot How did you not have like two Hansons and Danilamew?

Yes Great Or like you could have brought in Colby or Yans to complete the panel and be the third member of the Hanson brothers and men Just be a mannequin stand there you don't even have to hold the microphone you don't need to get in well you need to get to make up to do your hanson brothers thing but like yeah you don't have to get your feathers done nothing and just let yeah hank be dine lemieux cold an opportunity missed and coop asking a so good important questions but we talked about that on the show hang on we you know who meant you know who mentioned that to us on this show was last year when i was in washington for the carolina series joe beninadi said that's right when when when when when when

When Anson Carter was there, they called him AC, and that turned into ACE. So it was Ben Anadi that did all the, did a journalism. It was Ben Anadi who did a journalism on that one. Good job, Joe, for doing aid journalism. Can I play one clip for you before we wrap here today? It's been spooky themed today and things that haunt you. Last night, there was a very telling moment of what the St. Louis Blue season has been with the Brayden Shen

penalty shot Not to pound the shot shootout There's something in this clip I need you to see Because it's haunting And it's not as haunting for Braden Shen You'll see who it is when I play this clip Brayden Shen

In the shootout Lost the puck Into the corner Camera zooms in on Braden Shen Oh no, what just happened Oh no Monty That is the haunting face right there there, Jeff.

Monty looking at that going, that is what our season has been. You know what? You want to talk about the Mike Myers music and haunting this Monty tonight, last night. You know what's good about coach? I shouldn't say it's not good because you want to catch the candid moments. Coaches now, more so than ever, understand when the camera can be on them. 20 years ago, any other coach is just swearing and spitting. seeing that what does montgomery do dogface yeah i know but you could tell in his eyes he like look i'm

not making fun of it it's credit to him for holding that face oh yeah camera goes to him and you could see from here down and i'm pointing from below my eyes to his chin it was nothing rage you could Hell in his eyes. Schenner, I'm going to kill you. That's our season. Right there. I'm begging to get out of this right now, and you're putting the puck in the corner, haunting. Who dumps the puck in on a breakaway?

I know we practice that. This is not the time. This is not where we practice dumpins. This is not where we do retrievals. All right, we got a hustle. We've almost done two shows here. Does it mean we get Monday off? No, it doesn't.

Thanks for hanging in there. Whether you're watching us on YouTube, whether you're listening on podcasts, we really appreciate it. I want to thank all of our guests today. A couple of moments ago you heard from Dan McKenzie, the president of the CHL will remind you the CHL USA Prospects Challenge in Alberta

on the 25th in Calgary, 26th in Lethbridge. There's a very cool event. I went last year when it was in London, and Oschwatt's a lot of fun. And the hockey is excellent. You will probably see half of the first round. the NHL draft in this game.

So if you're in the area, do yourself the favor and go check this one out. Thanks to Jay Rose Hill from stopping by from Leap's Morning Take. Thanks to the York chap, Jason York, from Coming in Hot and Calgary Flames broadcasts as well for kicking off the program today. On behalf of Zach Phillips and everybody here at the Nation Network and Daily Faceoff, thanks for tuning in.

More programming available all throughout the days. And don't forget to check out our website at DailyFaceoff.com for all the latest breaking news. commentary and opinion around the world of hockey. Thanks for joining me again today. Thanks for the buns and the use of the hall. We're back on Monday, 1 o'clock Eastern, for the sheet. I said 16 hours last night, every day this week, every day this month.

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I do want to back I turned on the music I do want to back I turn on the music fixing up that you sometimes Have been on the days that we're wrong