The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Shaking Things Up ft. Mason Marchment & David Pagnotta

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

On this episode of The Sheet, Jeff Marek is joined by newly traded forward Mason Marchment to talk about his move from the Dallas Stars to the Seattle Kraken. Marchment reflects on his time in Dallas, shares his thoughts on joining a new locker room in Seattle, and gives fans a glimpse of what he's hoping to bring to the Kraken lineup. Later in the show, NHL insider David Pagnotta stops by to break down the blockbuster Trevor Zegras trade between the Ducks and Flyers, and dives into all the latest buzz around the NHL Draft, free agency, and potential trades heating up across the league.#TheSheet #JeffMarek #MasonMarchment #SeattleKraken #DallasStars #NHLTrade #NHLDraft #NHLFreeAgency #DavidPagnotta #TrevorZegras #AnaheimDucks #PhiladelphiaFlyers #NHLRumors #NHLTrades #HockeyNews #NHL2025 #KrakenHockey #StarsHockey #NHLUpdates #NHLInsiderShout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Ninja Kitchen Canada: https://www.ninjakitchen.ca/products/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system-zidFN101CGY?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=olv&utm_campaign=25Q2-Crispi&utm_content=en👍🏼Budweiser: https://www.budweiser.ca/ca_enReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Off YouTube channel. Subscribe now so you don't miss a moment. Brought to you by The Nation Network. So cut all the preamble before, let's just get right to the news of the day, the trades. The long rumored and long speculated Trevor Zegress and the Philadelphia Flyers actually happened today. It gets to a certain point where you wonder, okay, they've talked about it for so long, it's probably not going to happen, right? And the best example that I can remember from recent note

is, and people in the chat will correct me on this right away with, well no, there was this other one here too. But how many times did you hear, oh, Ryan Nugent Hopkins going to Minnesota for Matt Dumba? How many times? I'll be honest, like you heard that, we all did. And you know, at times those discussions actually did happen, but it never happened.

And then how many times have you heard, oh yeah, and especially after the Jamie Drysdale move, Drysdale and Zegras are quite close. And of course former teammates and buddies, oh yeah, like Zegras is going. Zegras is going to the Philadelphia Flyers. And you heard it so many times that you thought, okay, A, it's going to happen. And then B, after a while you say to yourself, well if it hasn't happened now, it's probably not going to happen. And today it happened. Trevor Ziegres becomes a member of the Philadelphia Flyers. A couple of things there in a couple of seconds. So he goes to the Flyers. Ryan Palin goes the other way along with a second and a fourth round pick. Now a

couple of things here. I want to get to Ziegres in a second and where this helps the Philadelphia Flyers specifically. More on this coming up with Dave Pena the fourth period. We'll talk about all the rumors that are happening around the NHL, all the things that we wonder could happen here over the next little while leading up to July 1st, free agent day. So the one thing that I wonder about initially,

as soon as I saw the news of the deal this afternoon was, okay, so what is this set up then for the Anaheim Ducks? Like we did wonder about the left side when the deal was made for Chris Kreider. So you have Cutter Goche, now you have Chris Kreider. Now what's happening? All of a sudden you're pushing down. Trevor Ziegres even further here,

something may have to give. And it did, but now you wonder what does this set up for the Anaheim Ducks who have a lot of cap space and a general manager who is motivated to use it. And could it be something big? And could it involve a team that wears green? I'll just lob it out there. For the Philadelphia Flyers,

where this helps right away is the power play. And listen, not exactly a secret that the Philadelphia Flyers struggled on their power play this year. You can make the argument that they didn't have anyone on the half wall to use with enough skill to make a power play sing. You would think that one of the prime motivators here

for Daniel Brier in in bringing in Trevor Zegras is to help that power play. I know they use Mitch Coff there at times rookie season somewhat of a language issue at times language barrier if you will nonetheless. I kind of feel like one of the things that I got right away was a text from someone saying well we've heard about this one for a long time, was the obstacle there always John Tortorella? Was John Tortorella, cause he always, he goes, this can't be a Tortorella guy,

like he's like a blisters on your knuckles kind of dude, he's a rough and tumble guy. I don't think that John Tortorella would have been in a position to say no, or would try to block a trade that Breyer wanted to make in the first place or secondly, I don't think for one second that John Tortorella or Rocky Thompson for that matter who handled the power play, um, would have said no or pushed back.

If, you know, if, if discussions were revolved around bringing in Trevor Zegas, first thing Philly needed help with the power play. Second thing, the one thing that we do know about John Tortorella and the nice thing about him being in the league as long as he has been, we've learned a lot about John Tortorella and John Tortorella loves molding players like that. Loves taking a guy like he's really excels at this. Like taking a guy that everybody has their mind made up on and then molding him into a different player. Now there are certain tests that come along with that

along the way that sometimes are uncomfortable, but I don't think for a second, I don't think for one second That John Tortorella Would have had anything to do with Trevor Zegris not becoming a Philadelphia flyer earlier I'm gonna believe that John Tortorella probably would have said yeah Give me some of that Trevor Zegris Right here with the the team in orange going from one orange team to another essentially Okay coming up on the program today, Daily Outline powered by FanDuel.

Our good friends there make every moment more with North America's number one sports book. And that is FanDuel. We have a lot to get to today and we have a very special guest we're gonna get to almost right away. Mason Marchment stops by. Obviously, Alan Kraken, Dave Panota I mentioned

over the fourth period will go over the trades and all the speculation and the rumors and things that are flying around and free agency and oh yeah, it's draft week. So you better get used to people lying to you because it's draft week and everybody lies to you the week leading up to the NHL draft. So we're gonna go over all of this with Dave Pan-Yoda here in a couple of moments. In the meantime, we wanna welcome aboard our first guest, someone we tried to get on last week,

he was really busy, but he's made time for us today, and we appreciate it. Pleased to be joined by Mason Marchment of the Seattle Kraken, newly acquired from the Dallas Stars last week. Mason Marchment joins me now. Mason, it's Jeff here, how are you? Thanks so much for dropping by.

And nice Raptors hat, by the way. Thank you. I have to support the Raptors. I understand that. First of all, some of the obvious stuff I want to get out of the way early. And then there's a couple of things I want to drill down on.

And my producer has a beer league story involving you and him that he wants to get to. I loved your punchline. So I'm like, Zach, you have to tell it on the air. First of all, the trade, uh, were you surprised? We caught off guard at all? Uh, not really caught off guard. I mean, I knew, uh, Dallas was up against the cap situation.

Um, there was definitely guys that had to be moved and, um, just, uh, you know, hearing that there was a lot of chatter of my name and stuff like that, I wasn't, wasn't really too surprised, but obviously it sucks to leave a group like that. Um, you know, after three deep runs and, you know, um, you know, after, you know, having the group that we did there, it's a lot of good guys and good characters and it's going to be tough to leave those kinds of guys. But, um, you know, I'm definitely excited to join Seattle and get a good opportunity and

Hopefully take advantage of it a couple of quick things on on Dallas as well. I know previous When the decision was between Dallas or the Carolina Hurricanes, I know that your Your association and your feelings for Steve spot kind of put that one over the top for you You mentioned it's gonna be you tough, leaving that group spotter now goes to the Boston Bruins. So it's the nature of hockey players go everywhere. But when you, when you look back on and coaches go everywhere, when you, when you look at your time with the Dallas stars, like what's going to come to mind right away? I mean, wildly successful,

first of all, not the ultimate prize, but like consistently good year in and year out. Yeah, I mean, I think that's just what it comes down to. I think, you know, we have, we had such a good group for three years straight. You know, there was, there was guys kind of plugged in and out of there, but, um, for three years we were, you know, a pretty big horse in the league and, know hard to play against every night and um You know, I think I think that's the biggest thing they got they got a lot of good pieces there You know, they got a great goaltender. They got solid D man. They have sorry. Just going my dog in here Okay, do you want to warm up? Okay doggy. I got a goal or retriever I don't know if you can see him. Oh, look at that gonna go get some water

I don't know if you can see him. Oh, look at that. Gonna go get some water. It's a little bit blistering. It's a little bit worn. Oh, that's great. A little hot for him out here. What's the dog's name? Milo.

Did you ever think of a hockey name? Wendell Bark is always a favorite. Do you think of like Gordy? Do you ever think of a hockey name before you named him or her? No, it was, uh, terms with stuff. It was good though. He's been great.

He's five now, so he's getting a little older. We're going to, we're going to get you to reconnect. You're kind of frozen right now. We can get back on the, on the five-year-old. Oh, there we go. We got you back. We don't have you back.

We're going to get you back. There we go. We got you back. Yeah, you're good back. We're going to get you back. There we go. We got you back. Yeah, you're good. You're good. Whatever, whatever works for you works for us. There we go. We got you.

Um, let me ask you about, about Jim Nel and then I want to get on the Seattle page. Jim Nel has a very, very specific reputation of when he does move players, he moves them to places where they're going to thrive and they're going to have success. Did you feel that way as you were talking through all of this with the, with your former general manager? Yeah, I mean, you know, we had a really good conversation and, um, obviously he

said, you know, I, I, I don't want to move you, but you know, it's the business and I completely understand that. So, but he, he is, you know, if not the best, one of the best persons, people in hockey, he's just so classy and treats everyone with respect and, you know, he's upfront about everything. And, you know, as a player, that's all you can really ask for so I have nothing but respect for you know all the all those you know GM and assistant GM and you know all those guys over there and Dallas you know nothing but respect for those guys they treated me so well while I was there and you um, you know, it's, uh, it sucks.

I gotta move on, but, um, you know, I wish those guys, nothing but the best. It's a classy operation from, uh, from, from, from top to bottom, from, from ownership all the way down. Um, you know, one of the, one of the things that I was told right away when this trade happened, um, I said, look, someone said to me, this is Jim Nill and his reputation, like he's, he's, he's making a trade with Mason Marchment and he's sending him from one tax-free state to another tax-free state.

There's been a lot of conversation about this, especially as Florida continues to excel, et cetera, Tampa and no tax states. How much of an issue is, you know, Brandon Montour was on Morning Cup of Hockey last week and he said, you know, once you took off a lot of other boxes, it does matter. When you found out that it was going to be Seattle, did you look at this and you said like, you know what, this is, this is, this is Jim Neal doing me a solid here that essentially I'm going to go somewhere right, don't have to

take a state tax pay cut. Yeah, I don't even, you know, I don't think of it that way. I'm going to go somewhere, right? Don't have to take a state tax pay cut. Yeah. I don't, I don't even, you know, I don't think of it that way. Um, I'm sure some guys would, but, uh, for me, I think, you know, Jim did, did a good job of placing me in a place where, you know, maybe they're going to give me a good opportunity to play and, uh, maybe get a couple more minutes here and there. But, um, you know, I think that's more the way I look at it. Um, you know, Jim, Jim knows knows I just, I love to play the game and I'm a competitive guy and that stuff takes care of itself so for me, I'm not really,

it's a nice perk but I'm not really worried about that. I was gonna say like, one of the things, because we're fascinated with it here in the media and that it takes that, it takes state taxes and I wonder like how many, for a hockey player makes like, how many boxes do you have to check off first until you get to the, Oh yeah. And then there's a state tax issue, like competitive team,

facilities, family, all. Yeah. Facility. How far along does it go? I think, I think for a lot of guys, I mean, especially myself, I'm, uh, we're, we're going to have a baby here soon. So just for my family, I just want to put my family in a good spot and make sure they're comfortable.

I mean, for me, that would be a big thing. And then obviously the team, where the team's at, what direction they're headed in and stuff like that. And then I think, you know, it's definitely a check mark. You got to box off, but, you know, I think guys really want to win more than anything. Let me ask you about Seattle. You go to a team where, I mean, you know one player, you know Brandon Montour from your

time together with the Florida Panthers. Anybody else like that sort of acts as a magnet here? Anyone else you know well in that room? Not too many guys too well. I know Vince Dunn a little bit, Jared McCann a little bit here and there from skates. I've skated with Shane Wright a little bit. I know Mahara from the Florida days. He wasn't there when I was there,

but just through some of the guys. But, and then the big rig, I've known the big rig for a little bit. We skate together in the summer. But other than that, I think that's it. So, but it'll be fun. It'll be a good experience and fresh start. And I'm excited.

What was your experience playing against Seattle? Like what were your takeaways from playing against them now that you're, you're with them? Hey, no one's here. Um, uh, my reaction is that we're good. I mean, their rink is, is, is top notch. Um, and from what I've heard from, from the guys that play there, they get treated really well.

And, um, you know, that's, that's awesome. That's a huge part of it. But, you know, their fans are awesome. I mean, we played them, I think it was their first or second year in the league. We played them in the playoffs on the second round and, you know, their fans were electric and, you know, they have a really good team. You know, it's tough that they didn't make playoffs last year, but if you go down the roster, a lot of good players and capable of definitely making a push for sure.

I'm sure you've had at least one conversation with Jason Botterill. Did he give you any idea of where this team is headed? We saw the Burakovsky-Volano deal over the weekend. They're one of those sneaky teams. Although it's not sneaky. They made two very public trades. Sneaky teams that we expect to do something big this summer.

And yeah, and he has he shared with you anything about, Hey, we got them coming here, Mason, we got things coming. Oh, that's a, you might want to call Montor for that. He's the, he's the inside scoop, but no, no, I, I, uh, I don't, uh, know anything about, uh, anything that's going on.

Um, you know, it was just more just, uh, welcome to the team and we're happy to have you and stuff like that. So, uh, just worry about playing hockey. Okay. Let me, uh, speaking of playing hockey, I got a couple of minutes left with you and, uh, my producer, Zach told me this great

story about you, uh, skating in Stouffville, actually where, where, where I live. I'm going to bring Zach on to tell you the story because I just loved your line at the end of it. So Zach Phillips, you're on with Mason Marchman. Can you share the, your Mason Marchman story? Yeah. Um, how's it going Mason?

Thanks for joining us here today. But, um, uh, it was, I think three years ago in the summer, I was playing in the Stouffville men's league. And I think you know, a bunch of the guys on my team like Chad Burrows and Alex Gilmore and those guys. I was playing with them. You came out to skate for the other team and you're just out there to help out. And the whole time you could kind of tell that you were playing like, I'm not going

to be, for lack of better words, as I said. Yeah. Yeah. You were out there skating, as I said. 25%. Yeah. Yeah. You were out there skating, but not like being Mason Marchman. We scored a goal with, I think, 30 seconds left, 40 seconds left in the game to go up. And you line up on the wing. I'm playing right D. You're playing left wing there at center ice. You guys win the draw.

They pass it to you right away. You come down on me, you fate inside, stepped outside and just leaned on your stick, went far side bar down top corner and just turned around and looked at me and I was like, oh fuck, like what am I going to do there? And you just looked at me and sorry bud. And then skated away. I was like, shit, like what am I gonna do? Sorry bud. The boys on my team were giving it to me, they said we can't lose this game if you're out here bud.

So I had to get one on you. Sorry. No, no, it's all good. It was fair. It was fair. But I just, I laughed and I still remembered that. I just remembered you looked back and you're just like, sorry bud, skated away. Like, I think that was shot all game. I don't think I took any other shots. I'm pretty sure it was. Yep. Zach, that's, that's awesome. Mason.

I just love that. Like, sorry bud, but like I play in the NHL, like I'm nearly there. Like, sorry, like you just have to know at any moment I, I might, I might, I might just go off. Um, you know, it's funny cause when, funny because when Zach told me that story, Mason, back in like 2004 or 2005 when your dad was playing with the Maple Leafs, it was actually was during the lockout and I would talk to your dad all the time and I was playing in the Scarborough Men's league and we're talking.

He's just like, can I come out and play with you guys sometime? And I'm like, Brian Marshman wants to come out. And I'm like, yeah, like must you like, of course. And like for a couple of weeks, like, I'm like, are you coming this week? Or are you like, oh yeah, I wouldn't miss it. Oh yeah, Monday nights. Yeah, I'm coming. And it was just like, I was like, this is the coolest thing in the world. Like again, like he's going like 25%.

Like he's just, I just stretched, stretched the legs. But like, is that something that you like normally do? Or is it like a, a Marchment thing? Cause I remember like, man, and in the room, he was the best guy in the world. Like all of it, all of it, Mason. Yeah. I think that's, if there's one thing, um, my dad taught me, uh, about hockey and, you know, being around the around the room and around the guys is just to enjoy and be a good person and help out as much as you can and be positive.

That's definitely something I took away from him. But on the shinny part, I think it's just the love of the game. I love to get out there and fool around. That's where I don't have to take it too serious. It's not skill development or anything like that. I'm just going out there to help out my friends and, you know, just enjoy it. So that's all it really is. I think it's awesome. Let me close on this one. I really have a lot of time for Shane Wright. I think Shane Wright is an exceptional hockey player. You mentioned that you've skated with him previously. What do you see in this guy? To me, he's right on the cusp of having a big season. Oh, you have quick thought on your new teammate,

Shane Wright. For sure. I skated with him at the Bioso camp, and we were actually linem mates for the thing with, uh, Cole Perfetti. So I got to play with the two young guys and, um, you know, they're both great players, uh, if that's a great player as well, but, um, Shane is, uh, very smart. Um, good draws, you know, he's, he's definitely growing and, um, you know,

quicker than, you know, maybe some people thought, but, um, you know, we never really got to play them too much this year. So it's really hard to say what he's like in NHL level because I haven't got to play against him too much. But from what I can see, he's developing very well. And I hope he can turn into what he believes he can be. Last question, this is for the, uh, for the Oilers fans in, in our crowd here.

Um, that was, uh, man, you know, we look at the Stanley cup final and man, Florida is just like, just, just a machine. Um, but your experience of playing against it, cause I know a lot of people in Edmonton right now are like, Oh, trade everybody. Don't bring this guy back. And all of a sudden keep reminding people like

after they lost, like the first two games against LA, like they went on a 13 and two run here. Give us a thought on like what it's like playing against the Edmonds and Oilers. Their fans are awesome. It's probably one of the loudest rinks I've been in in playoffs, especially before the games. It's electric.

Um, but, uh, um, I don't know where you want me to go with this question. Wait, uh, like how do I. Like, like that, like, uh, again, like, I think like a lot of fans right now are sort of underselling that just how good Edmonton is, like this idea, like they're, like they're obviously, I mean, back to back Stanley Cup final appearances, like what stands out to you about playing against the Edmonton. I mean, obviously it's, it's Connor and Leon, but anything else jump to mind for you?

Um, you know, it seems like they, they got a good group and they all stick together. They all enjoy each other's company from, from the outside looking in, it seems like that. Um, you know, I actually have quite a bit of buddies on that team too. So, um, you know, I actually have quite a bit of buddies on that team too. So, um, you know, there, there's a lot of good people in that room. And, um, you know, I think it's, it's hard, uh, Florida, they, they're the,

they're the, they're the line that everyone's got to get to right now. So, um, they, they play the right way and, um, they're a hard team to be. They got, they got really everything that you could ask for in a team. And for Emmet tonight, you know, it's just, you know, sometimes the bounces go your way. Sometimes they don't like in our series versus them. You know, we weren't really getting any bounces. Sometimes they go in, sometimes they don't. So there was, you know, games where I felt we definitely should have won and we didn't win.

So it's just the bounces and ups and downs of playoffs. So if I'm an Oilers fan, I wouldn't be freaking out too much. You got the back to back Stanley Cup finals. So just enjoy the ride, right? That's hard, man. Listen, congratulations. I know you're going to do great in Seattle and I know they're going to love you. Enjoy your summer and we'll catch up next year.

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I remember his dad calling me up, it was just like a random Monday. He's like, are you skating anywhere? I'm like, yeah, Brian, why? He's like, can I come? I come like dude I feel like really bad men I don't care come a bag in the pickup truck and I'm going so it's a play this one's a play hockey play yeah once a play yeah it was funny it was just like he I you knew the whole time he just wasn't like going going we had

it we had tied to Landria come out and play with us one time. He was on our team. He skates still all the time. Yeah. And he was like doing the same. And then it was just like one shift. I think we were down and it was late. And it was kind of a similar thing.

He just like got the puck on the half wall, stepped out and just ripped and nobody says anything, but you could kind of tell it was like, okay, I'm gonna do something now, and then just keep it going. And you could tell he was doing that, and then it's kinda funny him saying, yeah, my buddies were giving it to me.

For sure they were, because I've done that, and we've done that to our guys when they've come out and played. We're like, hey, you wanna get going here now? We brought you out, come on. Hey, Robert Thomas, like, come on, man. Like, come on, we need like three snipesipes here we're down a couple of pucks. It is you know I was telling the story the other day I can't remember it was here or one

of our other Nation Network shows just playing like a random Sunday night game with a bunch of buddies of mine that all played they either played like in the East Coast League they played professionally in Europe like good hockey and Pete Sarno was on the other team. It was a game at McCormick Arena called Game 7 at 7. So it was Sunday night, 7 o'clock. And the guys all treated it like it was Game 7. Full contact.

I'm surprised that I didn't get like maimed in this game. I was just ridiculous. Oh, no, no, no. Mike Camilleri came out for a couple of them too. I'm like, holy jeez. But we were playing on this one team. I had Pete Saro on the team. For those of you who don't know, Pete Czarno was an excellent American Hockey League player.

Like, excellent. Like, lead the league, I think he led the league in scoring twice when he was with Manitoba. And then he played in Syracuse with the crunch, with like Mark Hartigan, Joe Matszko, like really really good American League players. And like no one could touch him in our game. Like nobody could touch him. No one could lift up a stick. No one can get the puck. He did whatever he wanted. And I'm sitting there on the bench and I'm watching Pete Cerno and I'm like, it's like the most amazing guy I've ever been on the ice with. And he's not close to playing in the NHL. He's not playing, he's not close to playing in the NHL. He's not going to play in the NHL.

And this guy is phenomenal. We take for granted just how amazing these guys are. Like I always say, pick player number 750 in the NHL. The guy that we all say, that guy can't play. You know how good that guy is? Any idea how great a player that guy is? Like it doesn't matter. Like you get to the NHL, like I'm sorry.

You are a really, really good player. Couple of things to go over. Oh, by the way, speaking of the Philadelphia Flyers earlier, and we're gonna be joined by Dave Pagnioti here in a couple of moments from fourth period. What time is Dave scheduled to come on by the way? 3.30. Okay, so we in a couple of moments from fourth period. What time is Dave's schedule to come on by the way? 3 30. Okay, so we got a couple minutes here. So, um, Maxim Shalanov is a uh, KHL player a little bit small but highly skilled. Uh, there were rumors all over the weekend about him being either close to or have already signed a deal

with the Philadelphia Flyers. Um, not true. I'm not saying that he's not going to sign with the Philadelphia Flyers. Not true, not saying that he's not going to sign with the Philadelphia Flyers. I think that's one of the teams that are interested in Shalinoff, but hasn't happened. Not true. Checking from both sides of this thing. So that has not happened yet.

Something else we should probably go over with Dave is what's happening with the Buffalo Sabres and a couple of players. JJ Paterka we've talked a lot about, but we should also throw Mattias Samuelson into that conversation as well. Like Zach, I can't tell you how many people that I've talked to this weekend who have said to me, the Buffalo Sabres buying out Samuelson? I'm like, The Buffalo Sabres buying out Samuelson. I'm like, I know they might look to trade him, but first of all, that's a long buyout for someone like Matias Samuelson. So I wanna get on that page with Dave

in a couple of moments here, because that's an interesting one. That situation as the Buffalo Sabres look to sort of redo themselves as much as they can in the offseason and also trade this weekend between Seattle and Chicago. So Andre Burakovsky goes from the Kraken to the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for Joe Valeno. The interesting thing about this one, I thought about this when it happened, I wondered like these two might have been buyout candidates for their team.

Now Joe Valeno might still be a buyout candidate for Seattle since he's of the age under 26 where he would only be a one-third buyout for the Kraken. So if you're watching us on YouTube like there's a trade it's Valeno for Burakovsky. Burakovsky had sort of slid his way down the lineup you know at times on the fourth line you know coming off know, winning a Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche, has two years remaining at 5.5 million. Joe Valeno, one year at 2.275, still might be a buyout candidate. But the first thing I thought about with this one, Zach, is these are two guys that may have staved off a buyout, we'll see, from both these two teams. It was almost like it was the, trying to think of one of the more famous ones,

Montreal, Dallas, Mike Ribeiro for Yanni Ninema trade. Look, we're not getting anything with this guy, you're not getting anything with that guy. Let's do the complete change of scenery trade and see if it works out for both. Because I'll tell you man, the Villano thing freaks me out. I'll just just be blunt he was the first player ever granted exceptional status in the QMJHL he can skate he's got size he's got skill like I know that he didn't

always it seemed like he didn't always mix well or feel comfortable around a lot of the red wings veterans but still the Villano thing baffles me. I don't know why it hasn't been able to happen for Joe Villano anywhere and now here he is with Seattle and we'll see if he sticks or if he still gets bought out, but the Villano thing is baffling to me. And that draft, that was the Dallas draft, the Rasmus Dallin draft. Detroit had two picks, right? They had Phillips Zedina and Joe Valeno. Zedina's not even in the league anymore.

And here's Valeno, we're warning about the one-third buyouts. That wasn't Iserman for all the Iserman haters, by the way. I think that was Ken Holland's last draft with Detroit. Anyhow, do you have a thought on that deal? Well, I was pretty surprised when it went down and then I talked to people smarter than me, i.e. A phone call and a text to Jeff Merrick and then it was explained Maybe this is a situation that they're both getting bought out and I went yeah That one actually makes way more sense than what I was thinking because I was like why?

Is somebody here seeing something that the other side isn't or that we are not seeing but I think that that's probably much more likely. The Joe Valeno stuff is interesting. I always thought- Good player, man. Good player. Yeah. It just never really has been able to figure it out and never catches on and every time

it feels like he starts to heat up something happens or like oh he's got a good stretch and then it falls off or I don't I don't know it's just a weird one but change of scenery maybe I hope like I see whoever can because this the skills are still there the size is still there the feet is still there like if anyone can unlock The potential that is I believe is still in there with with Joe Valeno even just so biased I watched him so much, but I just can't believe it hasn't Happened for him at the NHL level and it keeps hitting myself. Like what am I missing here? What am I missing watching Joe Joe Valeno that maybe everybody else sees and I'm just too much of a dope that I just don't see it. But to me like

all the things that go into making a good player I look at Joe Valeno and I go like this guy should be better. This guy should be good. Speaking of buyouts TJ Brody bought out by the Chicago Blackhawks. First year on the buyout, 3.23, second year, $258,000 there. And again, going back to the, it seemed like they were great a couple of years ago. It was like, wasn't it like five minutes ago the best pair in the NHL, like the best duo in the NHL was Mark Giordano and TJ Brody?

Five years ago. Yeah, that one, that was weird too because, look I watched it very very closely obviously, like I'm watching every single Leafs game. You could visibly see it starting to just fall apart. Like fall apart. It was just likes. Like legs started to go. Brain was there, stick skills were there, passing was there, legs started to fall off for TJ Brody and then that was like

overnight all of a sudden it was gone and next thing you know the Leafs were moving him down the lineup he goes to Chicago and you know all of a sudden we're seeing this year in the middle of the season his minutes gone and I believe that there was a stretch where they were just healthy scratching him. Couldn't even get in. That was fast though. Also over the weekend yesterday, specifically Rocky Thompson named head coach with Bridgeport, the New York Islanders AHL affiliate. I think Thompson had been up for the Edmonton Oil King's head coaching position in the Western League and I think Iowa

as well in the American Hockey League. He lands with Bridgeport of the AHL. Also, you saw the, many of you did, the St. Louis Blues tweet from this morning. Can you fire that one up? Yes, I can. So, I think we all, like, first of all, congratulations to the Boston Bru and the Yellow Bee returns

for their big logo reveal. And it sounds very much like it's going to be something similar, if not identical, with the St. Louis Blues. With the little teaser tweet coming out this morning about the Blues, the one thing that I wonder about here, because it looks like the Blue note itself on the St. Louis Blues uniform, there we go, June 24th, 9 a.m. So they can do something with the logo. I wonder if they do something with the colors. And if they do, I wonder if it's because of Alex Steen. Alex Steen who is poised to take over as general manager not next year but the following year as you know Doug Armitage has his succession program laid out. He's always maintained that

the baby blue, the baby blue St. Louis uniforms were the best ever. Always loved them. So I wonder if they're going to go that direction as well and if so how much of it is because of Alex Dean. He always felt the baby blues were the nicest. I don't argue with him on that either. I thought those were gorgeous. I thought those were gorgeous unis. So anyhow look for the blue note to change with your st. Louis blues. And your buddy Robert Thomas, gonna get a new logo next year. I like those ones.

Also that tweet that they put out later in the day, it said, can't move forward without looking back. And then they had the old logos, and then they said what's next, and blacked out. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised there as well. So tomorrow when we hit the air, let me know when Dave is standing by. Tomorrow when we hit the air. He's ready.

Oh is he? Okay, so I was going to blast off about Lauren Shabaton and the Hockey Hall of Fame. But instead of boring people with a goaltender from the 20s, we're going to talk to someone who talks about things that are a little bit more relevant than that. Although I can still talk about Lauren Shabaton, probably will until I'm at'm at the crematorium but here I go. In the meantime this segment a presentation of Budweiser. Budweiser is encouraging buds to make time for hockey not excuses. Every goal, every check, every win is better enjoyed with your buds. Phone a bud, text a bud, ping a bud and call out their excuses for bailing on hockey. When it's hockey time it's go time. It's time to go to Dave Pena of the fourth period who joins us

right now and we can have a lengthy conversation about the Hall of Fame merits of Lauren Shabbat or we could talk about the Trevor Zegras trade. Up to you. I'll lean with the Zegras one if you don't mind. Don't mind at at all yeah I mean look that things started to pick up over the weekend and yeah I don't think too many people thought maybe it was gonna start getting or actually get going today when when things kind of got finalized this morning between Philly and the Ducks but look it's not a it's not a trade deadline. It's not a free agency draft period without Trevor Ziegres's name being tossed around. They finally just pulled the trigger on this one. The Ducks had held off for some

time, obviously. His hand had been out there, as I mentioned, for quite some time. But they held off. They wanted a bigger return. And they just felt at this point, it's better to just rip the bandaid off and get this over with. Give him a clean sheet somewhere else. Uh, and for them, they get to move on and focus on other elements of their roster that they're going to continue to, to look to find him.

So a couple of things on this one. I was mentioning earlier that, you know, listen, we've heard the name Trevor Ziegres in the Philadelphia Flyers, essentially going back to when, you know, his buddy, Jamie Drysdale was traded from Anaheim to Philadelphia in the Cutter-Goethe deal.

The one thing that I wonder about from Anaheim's point of view, when the Chris Crider deal was done, I think we all wondered, okay, so what is this gonna mean for Trevor Ziegres and how much further down the lineup is he gonna get pushed? And then from the Philadelphia Flyers point of view,

one of the texts that I got right away when the deal became obvious, it was gonna happen, someone said to me, was it always John Tortorella that tried to stop something like this from happening? Because as you pointed out, Dave, the name's been out there with Philadelphia for the longest time, right? It's almost as long as like Ryan Nugent Hopkins is going to

Minnesota for Matthew Dumba. How many times did we chase that one? But you know, I'm firmly of the belief that Tortorella would have wanted someone like Trevor Ziegler or Trevor Ziegler himself specifically for that power play. Like they never really had that skill guy on the half wall. Now unfortunately it's not you know Johnattorella and Rocky Thompson that, that they get to enjoy having a skilled player on the half wall in the power play, but it's Rick Tocket. Like right away, the Flyers power play is the beneficiary of this deal.

Yeah, absolutely. And this is something that Danny Breyer had been trying to pull off for, you just mentioned a few years now. He was on his target list for a while. He was discussed when they first did the Goche deal. They tried to make it a bigger deal, a bigger package. And they're like, all right, we're not going to be able to get to the finish line here. So they get Drysdale as the main piece, but they get to reunite the buddies together with Drysdale and Zegras having a strong bond off the ice as well. That'll certainly help in terms of getting Trevor acclimated a little bit easier to Philadelphia.

But I agree with you. I don't think this was something that Torz was putting a stop on. I just think they just couldn't come to terms on something. Now again, the price tag for Zegras a year ago was higher than the price that Philadelphia paid, excuse me, right now. Yeah. But again, injuries played a factor. You know, he didn't re or I guess re-engage from an offensive perspective and get back to his level of where he was earlier on in his career when he first jumped into the NHL. All different kind of elements kind of factoring in there resulted in the Ducks just again saying

it's time to move on for both parties and they get this done in Philadelphia. I know there were a number of teams that were in on this but ultimately Philadelphia was the one that said no let's just let's make it happen now. Do you have a thought on, because I, again, like so much of our conversations are gonna revolve around, okay, they're opening up space for Mishmarner. Oh, they're, they must be opening up here for Jason Robertson with the Anaheim. Right. Do you have a thought on, like, I don't believe

that Pat for Beak makes a move like this without having at least one follow-up move in mind. Like, I don't just look at it and say, well, they made this move because of Crider. It looks like, okay, yeah, they had the Crider deal, but there's also subsequent moves here for Anaheim because we know, listen, Anaheim is going to be one of the big players this off season. Certainly. That's pretty obvious by now. You have a thought on what this sort of sets up now for Pat Forbeek? Well, I think, you know, prior to this move, prior to the Crider deal, that their plan

is to go in heavy on Mitch Marner. To what extent? I'm not exactly sure. And I don't know where Anaheim is with respect to his list. You know, like Vegas, it's now widely reported and accurately so that Vegas is definitely in the mix or will be. And they're probably going to be the front runner in this race. LA is also going to very much be in there. He has interest in going to both of those places. You know, the Ducks, Columbus, Utah, Carolina, like they're all going to and others, they're going to get in on this.

But where those teams rank with respect to where Mitch is at, I'm not quite sure. But Anaheim certainly they're going to take a swing, I believe. Um, and I think they're going to take a few swings and a few other players, you know, Brock Bester's out there. It'll be a UFA Nick Ehlers, um, as well. It's not a deep free agent pool, but I can certainly see them trying to get into the mix, not only by adding more firepower, excuse me, up front, but also Jeff looking at the decor. Could they enter the Aaron Eklad race as well and see?

Because he's looking to go to July 1 by all accounts, unless there's a huge change from his side. So I think without question, Anaheim, Pat Verbeek and company over there are looking at this off season as an opportunity to make additional changes, not just a couple, you know, Crider moves, egress move a couple. Okay. We checked a couple of boxes.

Let's call it a summer. They're going to be active and they're also going to continue to explore the trade market as well to see what other assets may be available to them. If they do miss out on some, some of the free agents that are going to be out there, just as an aside on neck, but I really do wonder about Utah with, what other assets may be available to them. If they do miss out on some of the free agents that are gonna be out there. Just as an aside on Neckplad, I really do wonder about Utah with Aaron Neckplad. That's another team that's gonna make

the right hand shot first pairing guy. That would make a lot of sense, I think to a lot of people here. One more thing on Anaheim. It's kind of an obvious, put the ball on the tee for Dave here question, but when it comes as far as like recruiting goes, as far as getting players to wave no trades, the presence of Joel Quenville makes it a lot easier for

players and then no offense to Corona before, but having Quenville there makes it a lot more palatable and easier for players to wave their no trade true or false. True. Yeah. Uh, it's a combo now because now this team is, they're taking the next steps in their, in their evolution. You know, going through the rebuild, getting the young kids that are in there that are going to be key pieces of that core that have experience under their belt and they're, and they're improving. Now you add an experienced coach in Joel Quenbow and it changes the dynamic

a little bit for the better for their ability to bring in players either to wave no trades or no moves or to bring in a free agents because now like everybody wants to win, right? Everybody wants an opportunity to win and if you can do it consistently, if there's a long runway there with the right pieces in place, including the guy behind the bench, then that makes it that much more appealing to join. When you're a bottom feeder, nobody wants to be part of that, regardless of the market, regardless of what the tax bracket is. If you're winning these markets, these teams, they're appealing.

And to have a guy like you behind the bench that's obviously been there, done that, that's an added bonus for players that are considering the Ducks. I would think Anaheim would be interested in John Tavares as well. I don't think that's much of a secret. At this point, you've written about the Toronto Maple Leaf

Center, is there a latest, is my question. As of this more, or whatever we are, this afternoon, not yet, but there is a lot of work that needs to be done. If the Toronto Maple Leafs want to get John Tavares signed and staying in that group, it's going to take a significant bump in the dollars. What I had heard over the weekend was a three-year offer was presented under $4 million per year. And that's definitely not going to be able to get that done. He's going to cash in.

Is he willing to take less to stay in Toronto than he would on the open market? I believe so. But the numbers got to bump up quite quite a bit here in order for that to happen especially on a three-year term. So you know are there going to be teams out there that are willing to give them seven plus? I believe there is or there are and you know he's got to navigate what direction he wants to go but first and foremost that number from Toronto side of things is gonna have to go up. I heard they're pretty far off on Matthew Nyes as well. And they're starting to look at, they'll get Nyes locked in, but with respect to some of the other free agents that are out there, they're starting to compile a target list

of who to go after in the event that they do lose out on some of their guys, including Tavares and some of their depth pieces like, you know, Steve Lawrence is also a UFA this summer. He was a solid depth piece for them in their bottom six. One final thought on, on John Tavares here. I thought that Colorado did his camp a real solid with the Brock Nelson deal. Am I being overly simplistic on that? No, I think it's, it's, it's an easy correlator. Um, that's that kind of number.

Um, you know, I look, going back for a while I was I was using Joe Pavelski, his deal his I think Toronto would sign up for something in that five range, but clearly it's a negotiation. So they're going through the motions right now. Uh, and there's still runway fight. I reached out to his side as well about this and they said, look, it's, you know, it's not July 1 yet. We still have some time to try to figure things out, but there is admittedly work to be done.

So we'll see kind of what happens there on the Tobar's front. But yeah, I think you're, I think you're right. I think Anaheim, I think a number of teams are going to look at him as an option, not just exclusively as a center, because he can slot on the left side as well. But for teams that want depth in their mid six, or excuse me, in their top six, yeah, 91 is going to be an option. Rasmus Anderson and the Calgary Flames. Dallas tried last year, but Calgary kept on winning. Tried on Kadri, tried on Rasmus Anderson, but like Calgary was in the playoff mix. Chances of Rasmus Anderson starting the season with Calgary are what,

do you think Dave? A lot lower than they were a week ago. They had been going back and forth on negotiations, obviously on an extension, and still just haven't been able to get there. And we're seeing other additional reports now that I think both sides have come to terms with the fact that they're gonna be parting ways at some point.

Craig Conroy's out there saying, I don't have to pull the trigger on it now. Yup. Yada yada yada, negotiation, whatever. Not going to show all your cards just yet, but I do anticipate a move happening. I think it's going to happen between now and the end of the month. Could it be a round draft? Perhaps we'll see how itchy everyone's trigger fingers get.

But at 4.55, he's got a limited no trade with just six teams on his list of no trade list excuse me. So there's a lot of flexibility from their side of things. Columbus is another team to look at. Carolina I believe as well and the Ottawa Senators. But I do think there are going to be a few other teams that are looking at that right handed option. And if teams don't pounce now they may wait to see what happens with say Aaron Echlad who's also a right shot guy. If he is availableounce now, they may wait to see what happens with say an Aaron Echlad, who's also a right shot guy. If he is available July 1, some teams may wait. Other teams may not want to wait and may join to pull the trigger here from Calgary side.

Of all the names we hear on the Buffalo Sabres, and we're going to throw Mattias Samuelson's name in that mix very much now. I've been mentioning for a while that internally the team believes their defense is too young and they need more veteran guys back there. I wonder if that comes from Lindy Ruff specifically, but I digress. Byron, Peturka, Samuelson, maybe someone I'm missing here, Dave. Who's the most interesting name to you? Well, Peturka is certainly the one that's been generating the most interest now because there's there's You know there was the belief around the league that he didn't want to stay there

That he wants to change and then that belief has been amplified and and reinforced over the last little bit To be true, and I think there is a lot of frustration with a lot of players there that wouldn't mind that type of change. But you can't get rid of everybody. So they've got to kind of pick their battles in terms of who they want to move out. They don't want to trade JJ Peturka. But it's not to say that he's they're being handcuffed. But just the writing is on the wall and they're trying to see what the best package is available for them. Now, whether it's him, whether it's Bo and Byron, some teams continue

to poke around on Alex Tuck. Um, and, and I can tell you, I wrote about it over the weekend that, um, they haven't started negotiations yet. I know there's some reports out there. I think I haven't seen them, but people keep tweeting at me, um, that they have talked and they have exchanged numbers. I'm told that's, that's not true. Um, but they are going to they have exchanged numbers. I'm told that's not true.

But they are gonna get to it eventually. It's not a matter of them pushing off contract negotiations because they're trying to trade him. They obviously have a lot of fish to fry and they wanna keep Alex tuck in the fold, unless somebody completely blows them out of the water. But Maturka, Byrom, if they do move these guys or when they do move these guys, because it looks like it's going to happen, it's for immediate help. They're not looking at futures anymore. They want to revamp

this roster. To your point on D, they want to bring in some veteran pieces, not just there, but within this roster to insulate some of those younger guys. So if they can pull something off involving one, both, Stamuelson as well, other pieces. Then I think that's something that that they'll entertain if it again means bringing immediate help. I was told the team poke around and offered a first round pick plus plus plus for one of their forwards. But again, they want players. They want players. Exactly. They want players. Yeah. They can't they can't keep beating this rebuild course. Uh any any longer it's time to make the playoffs. It's time to, you know what, or get off the pot.

And that's why they brought in Yarmo. That's why they brought in Eric Stahl as well to help insulate the management as much as they need to insulate the roster. You know, with Piterko, one final thing, like that's not that it should matter. And we saw this before with Zemges Gergensens. That's, um, that's Terry Pagula's favorite player on the team. He loves JJ, but not that you just like keep the, I mean, you have to keep the owner happy, but not at the expense of hockey operations. But man, it's just like another sort of wrinkle into all, like I'm just told that Pagula loves

this guy. Which makes, which makes sense as to why they've been so adamantly, yeah. Until recently. Totally. Um, so not wanting to move them, but, uh, yeah, push comes to shove and, um, I don't know how in depth the conversations have been with Alan Walsh, his agent. Um, but if, if, you know, Alan has a good way of making sure things go his way when needed and we'll see if how much of an influence this has on these trade talks. Close on this one. I just got a text saying ask Dave if he's heard anything on

Jordan Kairou of the St. Louis blues. They're going to change their logo tomorrow, Dave. Are they going to change your forward too? Well, you know, Kairou's name, name and I know is no move kicks in July one. Cairo's name popped up towards the later part of the trade season midseason and the February beginning of beginning of March leading up to the trade deadline. There was a little bit of talk also last summer with respect to when St.

Louis was kind of poking around on Mitch Marner back then his name had popped up obviously that didn't get anywhere But his name has popped up on occasion I mean if they're if they're gonna if st. Louis is gonna pull something off whether it's with you know Armstrong slash steam that are kind of directing that It's gonna take one hell of a package for them to make something like that happen I'm the one thing that I had heard and I haven't validated it yet, but it started to make the rounds a little bit with St. Louis is poking around a little bit on Noah Dobson. I wonder if maybe that's an area, um, with, with the Islanders looking at offense that

maybe that's, you know, somewhere to at least. Started discussion. I don't know definitively if that's happened or not. But I wouldn't be surprised over this next week to see his name out there. I wouldn't be surprised if I get asked more about him. But it's going to take one heck of a deal in order for St. Louis to pull the trigger on something like that because they're also looking to remain competitive and he's a big part of their top six. Absolutely. Okay, listen, great stuff. You can drive again now, by the way. Thanks for thanks for playing over and keeping everybody safe on the road. You're the best. Always appreciate it, pal.

Be well. You got it, buddy. Take it to me. There he is, Dave Pagniota from the fourth period, regular all across our various programs here on the Nation Network. Any thoughts on any of that, Zach? Anything sort of spicy or chilly from what Dave dropped on us there? I was not really aware that Kairu's name was being floated out there. I did see stuff recently here with Dobson and somebody I think you might have worked with or crossed paths with.

Oh yeah, Elliot. Yeah, Elliot of the Toronto Freedmen's. Dobson's name is an interesting one. There were teams this year that tried to trade for him, sensing maybe some friction, who knows. But listen, the Islanders are gonna be a fascinating team, I think not just all week but all summer. There's a new general manager, right? Like we don't know how Matthew Darsh is going to operate here.

I think that they have a player in Isaiah George that's ready to be a full-timer on that blue line and they're gonna track Matthew Schaeffer. Right? Like there's like someone someone that someone is going like that's why I wonder about Romanov. Like could that could he end up a casualty here through all of it? And it doesn't seem so right now. I don't know that Matthew Schaefer walks into that lineup next year. Matthew Schaefer is wildly skilled. So good. Didn't play a whole lot last year. I wonder if Matthew Schaefer ends up going back for one more year and then joins the NHL but then I mean outside of Owen Power generally if

you're a first overall pick you go right in even if it's not the right decision and sometimes it's not but something eventually here has to give on this Islanders back end when you consider two things Isaiah George is ready and the team's gonna draft Matthew Schaeffer. Just something here has to give. Don't know what it is. And then as everybody wonders about Jean-Gabriel Pajot, I look at that and I say to myself, in case they got Calritchie in the Brock Nelson deal and I don't know that they're comfortable jumping him in the NHL right away. This one very much feels like a they're gonna leave Pajo and not move him. They're gonna start Calritchie in the American

League with with Rocky Thompson and and Bridgeport and get him 20 or 25 games. Then when he's ready, they pull the trigger on the Pajot deal and bring in Calritchie. Again, if I were Matthew Darsh, if I was Matthew Darsh, that's what I would be looking at doing. Again, I'm talking like someone, I'm in the back seat. I don't have any hand on the wheel, I'm just saying, well here's what I would do

if I was Matthew Darsh. Do you think there's any chance that the Islanders try to make something happen here in the first round? Yes, yes. They try to get someone we know. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. What's it gonna take to get there? It's probably gonna take a lot

and some things have to sort of break in a certain way for the Allens to make that happen. Like I think that it would have to be one of those, I think it'd be a situation where if James Hagens really falls and Brady Martin's already gone, Can you do a deal with Boston? Or Philadelphia? We're going to talk more about the draft coming up all week long. We have our draft watch along coming up Friday at 7 o'clock Eastern with me and

Peter Maguire and a slew of guests are gonna be dropping in all program long. But you're gonna hear some like, again, like this is the week of trickery and deception and look over here not over there and oh it's not lying it's creative true thing. Like you're gonna hear like a lot of, it's a week of BS and everybody knows it because everyone tries to throw everybody else off whatever scent that they have but there's already some interesting stuff.

All of a sudden, Brady Martin the last few weeks has been a major story, and his ascension up the draft lists has been major and legit. He may go as high as number four to Utah if they keep that pick. I think what a lot of people are wondering about is, where is Caleb Dainoyer in all of this? Center for the Moncton Wildcats. How does he factor in to all of this? He's not flashy. He's a really good player. Like if you have a 1C, he's your complimentary 2C on a really, really good team. How high up does that get? Can he go 3?

Does he go 4? And what does that mean for other players that subsequently fall? Again, we're going to go through all of this over the course of this week. Today I wanted to focus on Mason Marchman and some of the trade talk that's been around because there's going to be more of it. And let's not forget too, and listen, maybe our friends at FanDuel have odds on this one.

I don't know where they're at. But we have Hall of Fame tomorrow as well. And every year, I'm just telling you, Zach, get used to it. Because you will hear me every year make the case for Lauren Shabbat. And as I've been told before by people on the committee, Jeff, nobody here who's voting ever saw Lauren Shabbat

play. Yeah, I didn't even know. I had no idea what- Lauren Shabbat, when you look at all the goalies that are in his demo, we're contemporaries of him. He has better numbers than a lot, if not all of them. That includes Haynesworth and Warders and Thompson and Gardner, all these guys that are in the Hockey Hall of Fame, all these goaltenders. He's got better numbers than all of them. Plus he's got a couple of Allen Cups as well.

Here I go, give me a little bound up on him. Was the first hockey player in the NHL of the on the cover of Time magazine not that that means everything but still it's a kind of a big deal anyhow what else is on this resume I want to keep I want to hear more about you want more two times Stanley Cup, Vezin Trophy in 35, All-Star in 1935, Allen Cup in 28 and 35, 11-year career, 72 shutouts, better numbers than George Hainsworth,

Alec Connell, Roy Shrimp Orders, Tiny Thompson, Charlie Gardner. Left off. And, and when they asked him to change his name to get to get more Jewish people to come to hockey games, they wanted to change his name to Lauren Schabotsky, said no. Not change my name. I'm Lauren Schabot, not Schabotsky. Used to do that to players back then. Get them to change their name to appeal to certain demographics. That's wild, that's nuts.

Things the league did, but just half. What else do we have on Lauren Shabbat? By the way, the tap-in, the one major tap-in is that Dana O'Chara gets in tomorrow, probably Joe Thornton, right? Yeah, I believe so. Paul Paduti's got a great piece at DailyFaceOff.com, where, and again, everybody will always, I shouldn't say everybody, a lot of people make the case for Alex McGillinney, who should

be in there. Paduti has this tier of candidates. First ballot worthy, Joe Thornton, Zdeno Chara, Duncan Keith. Any complaints with any of that? No. I'd throw Jennifer Botterill in there as well. She's overdue. Carey Price is going to get in eventually.

Ryan Getslaff probably will as well. And Alex McGilney probably should eventually here. It's funny, I was doing an event with Rick Vibe the other day. I said, R.V. who's the best? And Rick was on the ice with Mario and Wayne. Who's the best player you're ever on the ice with? Ever. Alex McGilney. I was there for that.

Oh yeah, that's right. You're a pop pot. Did you hear him talk about Alex McGilney? Yeah I did. Ask anyone who played against him, played with him, just how talented that guy was. I remember every year with the Maple Leafs, because normally you always sort of tip your team services guy. He gave, was it, yeah it was Dave Griffiths I think, gave him like $100,000 in his suits

because he didn't want to take them back to Russia. He's like, take my suits. They was like, Elmo just gave him like $100,000 in suits. If you don't want to take them back to Russia, like that's actually a great score man. That's great. That's pretty sick. Get the cash and the jeans. Don't take all those suits. Thank you very much. and take them back to Russia like that's actually a great score man. Yeah, that's great I'll take all those suits. Thank you very much. All right So let's see what you have come up with today

For this segment to conclude the broadcast the sheet is powered by FanDuel home of the same game parlay make every moment more on FanDuel FanDuel proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them and will proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. Zach, by the way, great job telling that story to Mason Archman today. I think he enjoyed it. Thank you. I hope so. It was a funny moment. There was no reason for him to be sorry about it at all. I thought it was hilarious. I also, by the way, remember our goalie says to us after,

because we obviously just blew the lead that we had with 30 seconds left in the game. And he's like, oh, I'm so sorry, boys. One of the guys on our team just goes, dude, no one saw the puck. How would you have? Like, nobody saw it. Yeah.

So, but yeah, it was fun. Tough to stop, just can't see. Yeah. So, but yeah, it was fun. Tough to stop, just can't see. Alright, here you go. They had Hall of Fame odds up on FanDuel. Oh, they did it? Okay. Yeah. I tried to save it for us to have it before the Hall of Fame, but I think now

that it's so close to the Hall of Fame, they take it back. They're announced tomorrow at 3 o', because the show goes on the air. Yeah, so don't have that up here right now, but I did find something else, especially coming off this weekend. Edmonton Oilers starting goaltender for next season, Jeff. Game one, starting goalie.

I don't know if you take a look there. Game one of 2025 2026 Stuart Skinner favorite minus 125 John Gibson plus 340 the field plus 390 Jake Allen plus 950 and Calvin Pickard plus a Thousand I'll take the field sir although. I'm sure they would be tempted to talk to Jake Allen and And they will. I'll take the field. Gibson's really expensive. Now having said that, I do believe that the Oilers are in a situation now where they're prepared and probably have to

overpay to get their goaltender., there's been a lot of different times, ever since Markstrom said no, even though they thought that they had a deal. Ever since Markstrom ended up going to Calgary for the extra year and not Edmondson, that the Oilers have been offered certain gold tenders. And I can remember Jonas Corpusalo specifically where they've considered it too much of an overpayment and so they haven't made the deal. A lot

of times I believe that Ken Holland was presented with certain gold tenders but the prices were always too high for him and the Edmonton Oilers. I think there's an internal understanding now that Edmonton probably has to overpay and has to be fine with it. And has to be fine with overpaying for a goalie. Even though we really forget because we're always left with the final impression, Stuart Skinner against Florida was not good. Now, it wasn't the main story.

The main story of the series was Edmonton couldn't score somehow, but Stu Skinner wasn't that good. He was great against Dallas, Vegas. Like, what do you good. He was great against Dallas, Vegas. Like, what do you do? He was excellent. He was great. But there's like a crisis of confidence in the marketplace that they just can't come

back with him. I'll take the... It's a long-winded way of me saying, I'll take the field, sir. And that one from our friends at FanDuel. What would you take? I probably am in the range of the field there as well. John Gibson at plus 340 I don't think is bad either but the big reason here is like okay let's say it's not Jake Allen. No, your other options on this list are Skinner and Pickard, excuse me, which they already have. And whether rightly or wrongly, I'm kind of crossing them off the

list of the guy who starts next year. The only reason being you almost have to show everybody you've done something different. You know, does that make sense? Like you're almost like having to say like, no, no, no, we did, we changed. Even if it's Jake Allen, even if it's John Gibson, or if it's somebody who doesn't end up being your starter

game one in the playoffs, it feels like right now there's so much pressure to go into game one of the regular season, having said, we did something. I know. That's kind of where I'm looking at. It is difficult though when you make your decisions based on how popular it's gonna be with the fans.

Yeah. Right, like if you start, if you, what the old saying, like if you listen to your fans too long, soon you'll be sitting with them. Never wanna do it. Where you're just like, okay, well what's gonna be the popular move? What's gonna be the popular move?

What are fans gonna like here? Hey, I'm buying a ticket now. I'm sitting with the fans. Listen, Philip Gruber, it's a name that's out there. Demko, I saw the boys on, I'm not saying he's the names out there, but I saw the boys on Oilers Nation saying that would be a target. He hasn't played a whole lot of hockey. Right, like if Vancouver's gonna re-up with Demko, then I wonder about Kevin Lankinen. Like Shelovs looks, by the way, Shelovs looks amazing in Avisford right now.

Like, they're in the Calder Cup final. I know that Charlotte keeps daving off here, but man, Shelovs looks so good. And he's gonna need waivers. And that's gonna be a problem. I've mentioned Uka Pekka-Lukinen before. Devon Levi's 20 games away from needing waivers. Unless they're gonna go into next season. And they might.

And I'm sure the Oilers have had the conversation I do wonder if you could wiggle UPL away from the Buffalo Sabres he lost the net last year to James Reimer by the end of the season and they started to win games I don't know Elvis Merslykens like that's the thing like they don't need like an elite goaltender in Edmondson. They don't need Sorokin. They don't. No, they don't need Bobrovsky. My concern would just be like, you have that, like you have your own version of that. Not elite, very good. But then when he's not, he's not the word every guy that you just listed on that every guy you just listed there but the thing here's the thing you're not getting like you're not you're not

getting a perfect goalie you're not you're gonna get someone where it's like yeah but well I guess or I don't know but what about this like that's what you're gonna get you're gonna get. You're gonna get someone that comes with some question marks. I think you just have to try, watch this real sophisticated, thoughtful answer. You have to find the guy whose low end is higher than the other guys that are out there's low end.

Because you're right, you're not gonna find the elite guy. But who's the guy when he bottoms out, it doesn't kill you. Yep, I get it. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. I get it, who's that guy?

But who's that guy? I don't know. Not a goalie expert. I'll call Hutton later. You know how to really good year this year? Who? Who are you saying? Michael DiPietro. Had a really good year with Providence.

Yeah. I haven't heard his name in a while. Do you go and do you look at like, okay, so who was outstanding in the American League this year? What do you call it, Boston? second league this year. Mikey D. Pietro who was, who was rushed in by the Vancouver Canucks had that awful game against the San Jose sharks. And then it was just like killed being taxi squad goalie during COVID and all that, all that development time just vanished. Yeah, that's right.

Totally got crushed. Totally got crushed by COVID taxi squad time. Oh, so bad. I forgot that that was what happened to him. crushed by COVID taxi squad time. Oh, so bad. I forgot that that was what happened to him. Yep. Like he just got mixed into all that shit. Yep. Good goalie.

You just saying his name, like I, I go, whoa. Finish the show off with a little Mikey D Pietro puck at you. There you go, deal with that one Zach think about that one tonight, so you can't fall asleep He's thinking about other girls, I'm thinking about Michael D Pietro, honey. I'm thinking about Michael D That's your relationship now my boyfriend's I think of another I was thinking about Michael D. Pietro, the loser.

Um, alright, well listen, uh, well produced show today. Good job. Good job with Mason Marshman. Good job with Dave Pena. Thanks to both of you gentlemen for stopping by. And don't forget, it is our draft watch along on Friday, 7 o'clock Eastern. Me and Pierre Maguire, along with a slew of guests from various prospects backgrounds. That's your clue as to what we're gonna end up doing here on Friday. Thanks so much for joining me today. Thanks to everybody in the chat.

It's always good. By the way, as Colton Davies texted me, it did happen. I wondered this morning if the Kelowna Rockets of the Western Hockey League would make a trade with Moosera for the first overall pick in the import draft, and lo and behold, it happened today. Broken Clock is correct twice a day. That's what I bring. Tomorrow, Morning Cup of Hockey will bring the heat with our Impact players. That is, of course, Johnny Lazarus and Colby Cohen.

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