The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Simon Edvinsson Prefers Trade as Red Wings Turmoil Grows ft. Max Bultman & David Pagnotta

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

On the October 5th edition of The Sheet, Jeff Marek breaks down a chaotic start to the season in Detroit as Max Bultman joins the show to discuss the latest surrounding unsigned restricted free agent Simon Edvinsson, who reportedly now prefers a trade from the Red Wings. Marek and Bultman dig into how negotiations between Detroit and Edvinsson reached this point, why the 23-year-old defenceman may be ready to move on, what the Red Wings would need in return, potential landing spots and whether there is still a path toward getting a contract done. They also dive into the ongoing Dylan Larkin saga after the former Red Wings captain was booed during Detroit’s home opener, examining where the relationship between Larkin, the organization and the fanbase went wrong, whether his list of potential destinations could expand, what Detroit is asking for in a trade and whether a resolution is getting any closer. Later, David Pagnotta joins Jeff to go around the NHL and provide the latest on Edvinsson and Larkin, Connor Hellebuyck’s unresolved situation with the Winnipeg Jets and which teams could still enter the market for the star goaltender, plus the Toronto Maple Leafs’ continued search for roster upgrades, what John Chayka could be looking to add and which players may become available as the NHL season gets underway. All that plus the latest NHL trade rumours, news and storylines coming out of the weekend on The Sheet.SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!! 👍🏼Coca Cola: https://www.coca-cola.com/ca/en/offerings/coca-cola/hockey 👍🏼Sports Interaction: https://www.sportsinteraction.com/thesheet 👍🏼Taco Time: https://tacotimecanada.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You know, I'm old enough to remember some things. I'm also old enough to have forgotten a lot of things, but I'm also old enough to have remembered a few things. Zach, can I bark at you here for a couple of seconds? I don't know why I bring this up today of any days here as we come to you from the Sports Interaction Studio and official sports betting partner of the NHL. I don't know why I bring this up today just sort of randomly

as it just sort of popped into my head. 2009, July 1st, Free Agent Day, Mike Gillis, the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks, flew to Sweden to convince Henrik and Daniel to resign and stay with the Vancouver Canucks. Of course, Henrik and Daniel, both represented by J.P. Berry as well. That I mentioned, the Mike Gillis flew to Sweden to convince Henrik Henrik and Daniel to stay with their team who are clients of J.P. Barry.

I don't know why I bring that up today. I don't know why that's in my brain today, but nonetheless, we're going to talk a lot about the Red Wings here today. It just says this in my notes. I don't know why I put all these things together. That's convenient.

Maybe Gillis was just looking for a little summer vacation. He hadn't seen enough of Sweden. Well, the fact that he just went to the airport, I think it was him and Lawrence Gilman, just went to the airport, and then just flew right back. Like, I think the whole thing, I don't know how long it ended up taking, but I don't think they actually stayed much longer than a conversation in the airport,

and that was enough to convince Henrik and Daniel, or J.P. Barry clients, I don't know if I mentioned that as well, that they should stay with their team and resign. Anyhow, apropos of nothing. Coming up on the program today, Zach, as you've laid it out, we're talking a lot about Detroit today. And for good reason, Max Boltman's going to stop by in a couple of moments from the athletic. Dave Panyota is going to stop by.

co-host of DFO Insider. We talked about the Edvinson situation, which was moved. We talked about the last Wednesday, and Dave had mentioned, you know, the back and forth between the Edvinson camp, represented by J.P. Berry. I don't know if I've pointed that out yet. And the Detroit Red Wings, led by interim general manager, Sean Orkov, how there have been, it's an unpleasant situation. Dave will expand on a little bit more.

I can nudge this one a little bit farther. I don't think that the, what Elliott reported on Saturday that he prefers a trade, I don't think, so I saw a position as if it's somehow, you know, over the last couple of days he's mentioned that he wants to be traded. It sounds very much like that a trade Red Wings knew about this before he went back to Sweden, that this wasn't just, you know, landed in Sweden, skating with Frilando. Oh, by the way, yeah, I want to piece out on the Red Wings here. So small thing, but as we try to all connect the dots and try to figure out where this thing is going,

we'll talk to Max Bultman here coming up in a couple seconds. We will also talk to Dave Peno, a DFO Insider, Wednesdays on our daily faceoff, YouTube, and Spotify and Apple Pods, wherever you get your podcasts, et cetera. So a lot of wings coming up on today's show. Also, Alexander Ovechkin, today in Washington, in advance of the home opener, against the Pittsburgh Penguins mentioning that said. This will indeed be his last season. We'll play some clips from his press conference as well

and talk a little bit more about a vetion, probably with Dave, as he joins us after we get on with some Detroit Red Wings talk. One of the things that I'm curious about, too, and I know this is all about, you know, the Washington Capitals today and ending the season with the Washington Capitals and calling it a career in the NHL, I'm kind of surprised that nobody asked. him about playing with Dinamo, which he has talked about, whether it's a full season,

doubtful, or just playing a few games. He's always talked about wanting to bookend his career by starting with Dynamo. He grew up in that program and then finishing there as well. I'm sure eventually someone is going to ask him that question. Nonetheless, in the meantime, to the topic at hand, and I mean, it's been a story all summer summer, and it continues on this Monday, October the 5th. Max Bolton joins me from The Athletic. He covers the Detroit Red Wings amongst other NHL issues and prospect issues as well.

Max joins me now. Max, how are you today? Never a busier, boring time these days in Detroit. No, certainly not. So where do we begin on this one? I sort of said cheekily off the beginning of the program here. I'm old enough to remember 2009 when Mike Gillis flew to Sweden to convince Henrik and Daniel Sidene, who were represented by J.P. Berry to stay with the Vancouver Canucks and re-sign.

I don't know why I felt like mentioning. that on today's program, but there it is. We'll get into the GM talk in a couple of seconds, but the Edvenson news. Like, I'm under the impression of the belief that Detroit knew about this before Edvenson went back to Sweden. But here we are after the weekend that was, and then Elliott put the report out about preferring a trade. Again, I'm convinced Detroit already knew about this, but where are we at right now with

Detroit and Edvenson? And is the threat of an offer sheet legit out there right now? Well, let's put a pin in the offer sheet for a second. Where things stand, nobody's commenting on this. So it's hard to kind of ascertain where things stand. But I think the obvious that he's in Sweden tells you that it's not in a good place. That's a deteriorating situation for a player who was in camp, who showed up without a contract. That's not something most players do.

Adam Fantilli was not in Columbus until he had a signed contract. Edmondson goes all the way back across the ocean without his. So certainly it's a negative trend line there. But on the question of the offer sheet, it's an interesting one because if, you know, you mentioned Elliot's report. If that's the case and you sign an offer sheet, well, you're kind of just ending the saga there and you can get that business squared away. Detroit can match, right? So like, it's kind of a complicating factor to me there. Can I pause on that for one second?

Because there's a lot of people that I've talked to about this with other teams who bring up the idea of the one year offer sheet for someone like, Edvinson and also informing the team that all you're doing is kicking the can down the road because he's not going to resign with this team. Even if you match the one-year offer sheet, you're still going to have the drama. There's also the idea of a team that wants Simon Edvinson but doesn't have the requisite draft picks for it could offer multiple draft picks or players or whatever to a team that does offer sheet the player because you are allowed to trade him if you, if you offer sheet the player and you get him,

thereby opening up the potential for division rivals to get involved as well. Like there's a lot of, the offer sheet thing, I know that Edvinson has sort of downplayed it too, but the conversation, at least outside of Detroit, is still very much alive. And I think a lot of people have some curiosity about how this might work.

But you're right. He could, Detroit, if he does get offer sheet, could just match and then that's the end of that, even though they wouldn't be able to trade him until next, October. Right.

And then a one year offer sheet. And the one year offer sheet is fascinating. That's the one. I don't know. Because if he wants term, he's not getting it. Right. It's like,

so it's like you're going to solve the problem by signing the deal that you, the short term deal that you in theory don't want, right? So true. But the other thing that it doesn't want is to play there. So if you do the one year, you're escaping and also protecting yourself in case they match. And you say to the team, I have no intention of resigning.

Let's see where it goes here. Because like I even I look, I believe the reporting, but I'm just saying that these situations are volatile. And like it would not shock me for for this to still work out in a way that Detroit signs it. We'll see where it goes. But I'm not ready to call it on that yet. Right. And so it's to me, what it comes back to is these are the situations that are supposed to play out in the quiet of August or the quiet of July. And instead, because the Red Wings waited as long as they did, they're playing out in very much, you know, kind of public.

with the urgency of a team playing games without him, with a team getting booed on its home ice, with fans chanting, sell the team. That's a lot of noise that I don't think, if this similar saga was happening on August 14th, I don't think it would be taking up quite the oxygen that it is. I don't know that it would be all that unusual, kind of in the course of a negotiation.

Obviously, when you start talking trade, you're in bad waters, no matter what, but you don't have the visual of him going back to Sweden if this is August. I mean, I think we all look at Edvinson showing up in Detroit and saying like that's the good faith move. Yes. I'm here and I'm here to do business. I don't know what the offer was, how low it was, if it was an offensive.

I don't know any of that. But again, it was enough for him to say thanks but no thanks. And I'm going back to Sweden. Let's get to the weekend here. I don't know that I've ever seen on opening night sell the team chance. Like opening night is like that's that's obvious. Optimism night. Even if you think your team's going to be a lottery team, day one, game one, is all about optimism. The booze for Larkin, expected. But I didn't, I'll be honest with you, Max. You tell me whether I'm way out of touch with Detroit then.

I didn't expect to hear sell the team chance. It didn't expect that one. There's a lot of frustration with ownership right now. And it kind of goes back to what I was just talking about, where there's just all these unresolved things that, you know, you feel like an organization should have at least. a few of these things resolved by opening night, right? Maybe the Larkin one, you say, hey, there's a lot of balls in the air on that. There's moving parts. There's a trade list that's kind of, you know, even expanded is it's still pretty restrictive with the teams that are on it and what kind of capital they could offer. That's where you get the booze at Larkin.

But the way that the search process played out this summer, I think, is a real hot button thing in Detroit. And there is a lot of frustration over how they could kind of be not naming an interim GM until September. And then because you're going through the whole search for a permanent one, And then when the search seemingly kind of turns up empty, then you go to that well. And as a result, you're behind the eight ball and you get a core pillar in Edvenson unsigned into the season. I think that's where the frustration and ownership really comes in.

So the way that it, again, the way that it feels to me, the way this all went down is they thought that, they thought Greenberg was their guy. He was going to be the next general manager. They were going to run the management group with the Red Wings as they do with the Detroit Tigers. and everything was going to be fine, or as fine as possible considering the situation with Dylan Larkin. And when Greenberg pulled out, it was essentially pulling the pin out of a grenade.

And after that, it seemed like they didn't have a plan B. That's the way it felt. Do you think that's accurate? That there was, one of the issues here is there was no plan B. It was Jeff Greenberg or this. That's how I read it too, just because the timing of him pulling out in early, September and then you get to kind of this point and then you name the interim a week later that that's

certainly the way I read the situation too. And it's you can understand from their standpoint if that is the case, right? If you think you're pretty much locked in. What I can't understand is that you went through this process for this long, were there no other people you liked? Was there not a kind of a plan B for lack of a better word there? Yeah. And you don't really want to sell it. Hey, yeah, we got our plan B, right? But, but I, that's kind of where my head goes. It's like, how can you have had a search this long. You hire a search committee and then something like that, like a candidate pulling out can can have that level of impact, if that is indeed what happened. A quick thought on Eisenman. And I've had differing people tell me differing things about

things like how much money he's still owed. I've heard a couple of different numbers, safe to say, all the numbers that have heard are double digits. And I don't think that should surprise anybody. I don't think that that factors into who they're going to. to name as their next general manager or president hockey operations or whatever, but you're closer to it than I am, is there a sense that they may want to do this a little bit cheaper because they do owe Steve Eiserman so much money here? I don't know if that's been part of the discussion at all. I do know it's in double digits. I think that look, you're always, with ownership, you're always going to have that question of like, are they willing to spend what it takes? I just don't

think that you make that move if you're not prepared to do that. I don't know how you can expect that you're going to make a move of that magnitude. You know what you owe Steve Eisenman. You're not doing that to save money. If you're making that move, you know you're spending money. So, like, you can never discount it, but it's not my read on it. So two losses over the weekend. Larkin booed.

I don't know where the Larkin thing ends up or where it ends up eventually is going to come to a head and they're either going to make the decision. They have the deal that they want or it's just a law of diminishing returns, not just for the player, but for the, organization as well. Like here's the thing, Max, like I'm watching this game. I'm watching the opening game and I'm thinking to myself, like there are people that, you know, talk about brand value, brand equity for a living and will tell you like a dollar amount for, you know, what brands are worth and what devalues brands, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Winning cures everything,

but I don't think anyone expects that a trip Red Wing's going to start winning necessarily. But at a certain point, is there not an even bigger issue than just a hockey trade here? that this is affecting not just the Detroit Red Wings on the ice, but the Detroit Red Wings as a brand. Dylan Larkin's getting booed, sell the team chance, all of it, like everything. The vibe in the rink is just so awful watching both these games. Yes, and that is one of the cruxes of their big picture problem here,

is that you can't really make that go away until you start to solve some of these issues. You also can't solve the issues with the intent of just making this go away. right you can't just say oh it's things have gotten out of hand let's you know let's trade these guys and get it done and we can start fresh well if you do that and you take a worse return because you're doing it under duress you're doing more damage to the long term and you're making a bigger mess for yourself in the future so look part of the problem here is that the red wings want to want to prove that they're like a first class job a a good situation this isn't helping that but they can't just you know sean horcoff can't just go in this and say okay i need to solve all the problems today and make this quiet down

because if you take that tack to it, you're going to get ripped off. The big word from the summer for me is cascade. That an event happens and there's, and the obvious one is Leo Carlson. And we're still feeling the cascade from that offer sheet. And, you know, everybody got paid more than they were expecting and more than teams were expecting because of it. When you look at the Red Wings with the Dylan Larkin situation, now the Simon Edvinson situation, how much are people in Detroit thinking, if this, then what's next?

Larkin wants out, Edvinson wants out. Is there a concern? Like, do you go around the room and say like, okay, whoever wants out, just tell us now. So we have all the cards on the table. Is that a legit concern in Detroit right now? Or is it too early in the season to tell? Well, I think you have Alex DeBringt,

who was, that was a big storyline coming into the year, is can you get him extended and that's squared away? And they didn't get that done. They didn't get that done before the eight-year contract maximum was still in play. And now you go into the season with it. And you're asking him effectively like, hey, you want to sign up for seven more years of this? Right. This is not the time I would want to be making that ass to Alex to Brinkett.

You know, in terms of other guys who have term, I think it's a little different conversation. I'm not, I wouldn't go into the locker room every day worried about, you know, as more sight are going to be here. But you have guys who this is going to be a very real, very looming decision. for them and those are the ones that I'm watching. Last one for you. The interim tag is again like just sort of splashed on there because they had to have someone to make these decisions.

Dylan Larkin is not a situation for a rookie general manager. Simon Edvinson is not a job for a rookie general manager, but here we are. You know, Elliot floated the idea of bringing in a senior advisor. I've mentioned a few different times and again today on the program that, you know, Mike Gillis could make a lot of sense here since you're going to be dealing with a lot of agents. And he's kind of seen, you know, as the elder statesman amongst agents. A lot of agents still call Mike for advice on different things. Do we know that is like, first of all, is there a chance that the interim tag just gets taken off?

And he's a general manager for this season period. Do we know anything about bringing an advisor? Do we know anything about what's going to happen here with Sean Horcough? I have not heard anything about a senior advisor above him. I mean, I think Sean Horcoff has to look at this as an opportunity and to try to navigate this. And it is a brutal opportunity. I mean, they've handed him about the toughest possible audition you can give an executive. But I think if you brought in someone else that would kind of be kneecapping him even further to what has happened already, right?

You're going to throw him in two days before training camp starts with all these problems to face. and now less than a month into that, you're going to go over top of them and say, okay, we think you need someone else here. Like, I understand the practical, you know, have more wisdom, more voices in there. And maybe you can just add to the front office on a permanent basis, right? Like to me, that's one of the ways that the Red Wings, whoever they make their permanent GM, whether it's Horikoff or someone else. And I do think that that is in play that it could be him.

I think they just need to build out a more robust front office period. So if you wanted to go make a hire and say, hey, this person's going to be an AGM, a vice president, whatever, special advisor, you know, whatever, that that's fine as long as it's on a permanent basis. But I don't think you can bring in like a temporary president now over top of that kind of thing. But if you wanted to bring in like a senior staff member who's going to stick around to the next front office no matter what, that's a different matter.

I think that's more worth considering. Always appreciate having you on to sharpen the pencil on these stories. It's the biggest one in hockey right now. So thanks as always for stopping by Max. You'd be well. Thanks so much for doing this. My pleasure, Jeff, you too. There is Max Boltman from The Athletic, covering amongst other things.

to Detroit Red Wings, which is his permanent beat there, or consistent beat, I should say, with the athletic. He does a number of other things, not just in digital stone, but also with podcasts as well. If you haven't, do yourself a favor and check some of those out. You know who I really feel for here? Through all of this,

who I really feel bad for. Like, sure, there are a bunch of players who didn't sign up for this, but I think players sort of understand, like, Larkin's going through, his thing. Edvenson's going through his thing. I think players kind of get it. You know, I feel bad for Todd McClellan. I feel so bad for the head coach who's just got a,

and even like yesterday I tried to make it a game against the Jets last night too and just you see him after the game, just biting his tongue and he didn't have anything to do with Larkin. He didn't have anything to do with Edmondson. This is just like the hand. he's been dealt. Don't know that this is what he signed up for. It's a team that's over the last little while

has been right there and then March wipes them out. And now this. I feel really bad for Todd McClellan. I don't know if you ever thought on that one or not. Yeah, he's kind of caught in the crossfires of all of this here, isn't he? Like he comes in and you're expected to save the day and help this team make the playoffs and finally get backing over the hump and get this original six.

franchise out of the gutter and then they fall apart in front of your eyes in March as they've done a few different times and then one of the best parts well best as an outside perspective as somebody who enjoys entertainment not so much for red wings fans but the captain and the general manager where Todd McClellan is hiding in a bunker somewhere saying please just don't hit me the captain and the general manager publicly feuding and Todd McClellan's like what the hell did I just walk into here and now he's trying his best to put a competitive hockey team on the ice well one of his best well his best forward one of his best players is saying yeah i'm not playing here and uh one of his best defenseman young up-and-comer says i'm actually not going to be in

the country so good luck like it's a tough situation sorry taught he's making him watching him he is handling it pretty well though i would be pissed if i was in his situation like even having to answer the questions about Larkin and booing. 100%. He's like, well, he came out and, you know, good on him. He wanted to be out here. People are like, the response online, I know you're going to say. People are saying you can imagine the response online towards it.

It's like, what is Todd supposed to say? He's stuck between a rock and a hard place. He's not going to come out and bury him. No. He's going to, he's a veteran coach. He's been through a lot of different situations, not exactly like, this. You don't wish this on any coach in the NHL,

but what else are you expecting Todd McClellan to say? Like I watch him post game and I'm just like, oh man, I feel so bad for him. But then I remember every two weeks, team says thank you. And he ain't paid like a rookie coach. He'll be doing just fine when it comes to the pocketbook.

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We're going to pick up the conversation about Detroit, and we should probably get into the conversation about Washington and Alex Ovechkin and a really busy weekend around the NHL opening weekend around the league. The editor-in-chief of the fourth period is also my co-host on the DFO Insider program. He is Dave Pan Yoder, and he joins us today. So Dave, when we talked last Wednesday about Simon Edvinson and the acrimony between the two sides and how, you know what, We're not sure whether it's completely at the, we're shutting the door and we're never going back.

It's sort of inching closer coming off Elliott's report on Saturday as well, the preference of a trade. And whenever I hear that, I say to myself, the door is still open a little bit. When it's your, and the reason I bring it up is off the top of the show, and you'll remember this back in 2009. Mike Gillis, famously flew to Sweden on July 1st to bring Henrik and Daniel Sadeen who just happened to also be represented by J.P. Barry, convinced them to resign with the Vancouver Canucks

and come back into the mix and come back into the fold. It doesn't feel like the door is permanently shut here, but it is really close. The other thing I do believe is that, you know, further to what we talked about on Wednesday. Detroit knew about this before he went back to Sweden.

This wasn't like he got back into Sweden. And then it was like, yeah, you know what? I'm piecing out. Right. No, it wasn't. Frustrations started to boil over when they weren't getting closer and closer to a deal as we got closer and closer to the start of the regular season. Training camp ends.

Nothing happens. He's going, what did I do all this for? I thought we were going to figure this out. That was the whole point of me staying. in camp and being ready for the season, which is on Friday, which was last Friday for Detroit, there was still a runway to figure something out. So for him to go back when he did, back to Sweden, was a pretty good indicator that they were not close at all on a deal. And my understanding was that Detroit recently offered a six-year deal in and around the 8.5 most cider money.

And obviously that's not going to get it done. He's looking for significantly more dollars on, if we're going six or seven years. But there was a bit of a bend from what I was told with respect to their position of the, excuse me, the team's position of Bridge Deal, where they went to six years at just over or, or I should say, in and around. I don't know the definitive number, but in and around 8.5 million. And most siters at 8.55. Pause on. Pause for one second. We got to get to on your mic because you're on the, on the computer.

computer audio right now. We're going to grab you on your mic and then hop you back because we want those sweet dulcet tones of Dave Panyote here. We don't want it to sound hollow and tinny. So we'll get Dave on his mic there so you can hear his deep, his rich deep basso profundo voice. In the meantime, we'll pick up that conversation about where the Red Wings are at with Simon Edvinson here. And again, it doesn't sound like the door is completely shut here, but nonetheless, it ain't going anywhere good right now, Dave. Sorry, we'll just pick up before we. There we go.

Glad. Here we go better. Hang on. I'm going to practice my Italian here. You have now that rich deep basso profondo that we're all used to. How'd I do? Not bad. All right.

That's okay. Thank you. Okay. All right. But look, you know, you need a little work on the Italian. The wings and. Edmondson need a little more work on this to make it happen. But you're right.

I agree with you. I don't think the door is completely closed either, despite the fact that he is frustrated. And there have been other terms that have been described to me that we can use, but let's go with the nice frustrated one. But, you know, this is, again, he's upset with how this situation kind of unfolded. And, you know, even with Detroit saying, okay, we'll give you six years at 18. or around that, it wasn't going to get that done.

That wasn't going to get things done either. You know, a lot of the talk is if he's going full term at seven years, you're looking at around $11 million or in that ballpark, especially with some of the numbers that have been tossed out. So for that to go to, you know, for him to drop to 8.5, I just don't see it being in the cards. Maybe if anything, you look at it as progress from Detroit's willingness to get off of their initial stance,

but dollar-wise, I just don't see it being a fit. And there are other teams that have been poking around, and I'm very curious about Seattle, very curious about Philadelphia and a few others, but the messaging still seems to be, at least from Detroit for now anyway, or at least going into the week, and over the weekend was,

we're still going to sign this kid. So, you know, maybe we'll have this conversation later, but we're not overly interested in exploring a trade. Grigio, Barolo, Pian. Am I doing better? Am I hit the sweet spot of the bat here? Let me pick up another. Found a theme there too, by the way.

Well, yeah, I don't know. You can sort of thread that one together pretty easily here, both red and white. So, you know, one of the things, again, like we're all sort of, there was New Jersey with Hayton or Philadelphia with Carlson. I think we're all wondering about, as we have offer sheets with any player. Right. And the idea of, like, if you really want to get this player, because the threat, if you are the player and you don't want to be there is Detroit matches. So one of the things I was talking to someone about this, this weekend, was the idea of the

one-year offer sheet and telling the Detroit Red Wings, if you're Simon Edvinson here, telling them like, look, even if you match, I am not going to resign with this team when this one and all you're doing is just kicking the can down the road and you're going to do it all again. Do you think that's a legitimate threat right now? And is that the only, to me, it might be the only way an offer sheet here would work for Edvinson and that is a one-year offer sheet. Yeah, I was wondering about that.

I have been wondering about that too because you put them in a position, you're still going to have to cough up, you know, let's say it's 11 million bucks or whatever. Anything over the 9.5s and change or whatever the number is, you're going to have to cough up two firsts, a second and a third. I don't think the hesitation necessarily is tied to the compensation. I think it's will Detroit match, even if it's a pure indicator that I don't want to sign here.

It makes things difficult because they won't be able to trade them for a calendar year, you know, to that point. So same thing can offer sheet him again. Right. Yeah, yeah. Stop for sheet them again. Go down that road for the next three years. Listen, the NHL is, Dave, the NHL is so wild right now.

Could you honestly, could you not see it? Considering the goofy summer that we just had, like the perennial of the the perennial ever, green offer sheet guy. Whoever you're just getting offers sheeted. Just over and over again. I mean, look, it's the NHL now. Yeah. Yeah, I know.

It's wild. It's wild offseason. It's been a wild offseason. It's been fun. And we have this. We have Larkin. We have all of Detroit. They got to figure out what's going on there with the Brinket and everybody else. We're still waiting on the hellabuck stuff and what's happening with Nikitian and obviously a little bit of a different situation there because can't offer sheet him. But, you know, Edmondson is right for the picking in that regard. And I believe there are other teams that are, I mean, some teams that won't be able to do it because of their cap situation.

But other teams that have, as I mentioned earlier, expressed interest outside of Seattle and Philly, there's got to be a ton of others. And there are a ton of others that at least inquired. But again, the messaging has been, we're focused on trying to make this kid a Red Wing for X amount of years. again, it's an interesting one. Unless they come up in dollars significantly at this point, I just, I don't know how you get to a longer term deal. That is something the player is open to doing. We touched on it last week.

You know, we're talking about seven years or, what, two years or something like that. Take them a Arab, yeah. Right, right. So I guess from Detroit's perspective is, hey, we're willing to go along, but you got to you got to ease up on the dollars and I don't think you're easing up two and a half million per. To me, the very, like the base,

if you're going to look to do a long-term deal with Edvenson here, to me the very minimum is the Zeeve-Boyum contract. That's the one that changed. Yeah. Like that is like the bare minimum is the Zeeve-Boyum contract. I got my on base or off-base on that one. That one to me seems obvious.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think from the baseline, absolutely and different type of player he's played more different style and all that but just in terms of how much value other teams have in him in being you know a first capable of a first pair defenseman again different um different type of player less on the offensive side for the time being um but there's a ton of there's a ton of interest in this kid and if you're looking at going six seven years yeah you're going to have to be looking at my guess would be 10 plus like maybe like the Booion deal might even be too low. Because it was just under it.

To me, that's like the very minimum. Like we don't want to offend you with an offer. So it's the Z-Buriam contract. Like that's kind of what I'm getting at. Which I'm sure would have been taken a little bit differently if that was what was put across the table this past week. But I don't think that was the case. And again, there are teams that are monitoring this as much.

much as they can, probably watching this, going, maybe we should give Sean another call. You know what? Colby and Johnny brought up a really good point on Morning Cup of this morning because they're obviously talking about this situation. And we should never lose, we should never lose sight of this, ever. And I do sometimes. You know who's watching this?

Other players. Oh, yeah. Other players are watching this and saying, okay, this is going to go. this is going to go into my decision-making process for the Detroit Red Wings. So this isn't existing in a vacuum, which adds a sort of another log onto the fire here of this blaze that is the Detroit Red Wings. Because players look at this and saying, I don't want to be part of that. Just like general managers around the NHL in the summer looked at Anaheim and said, I don't want to be Pat.

I don't want to be Pat for a week. So it's a great point. And of course, there's two players that bring it up. So obvious, like we should pay attention to that too. 100%. I mean, look, guys, guys talk all the time. The wives talk all the time. The group chats, someone gets traded, they get brought into another environment. The conversation still go with the wives, the girlfriends, the players themselves.

You look at this situation and you're going, all right, yeah, I don't want to be part of this mess right now. But if this is the group that's being, that is handling the situation, do I want to deal with them as well later on? like this is all being taken into account how they treat their players from an organization from the player's organizational view how do they treat their guys how easy are these conversations and is this going to be an environment

that I can be comfortable in down the road then there's all the other stuff all the all the off-ice stuff you know how they handle the families the room and this that and the other but just from this perspective you're absolutely right and they're absolutely right Colby and Johnny about keeping tabs on

things from the outside perspective because these guys don't forget. They got long memories. And if that's a situation that's going to happen over there, do I even want to consider getting into that environment until they clean it up? And they don't, they don't just watch, they talk. Yep. Call their buddies on the wings.

What is it like there? What's going on there? Oh, buddy, you wouldn't. And then blah, blah, blah, blah. You know how the barking chain goes. It happens all the time with every team with all these guys. 100%. And just to get players and other teams and whatnot will message and say,

hey, is this really what's going on here? Is this what I'm hearing? Because everybody wants to know. Everybody wants to know this type of information because it's impactful down the line. And then there's the off ice. I look to Utah in terms of all the off ice and how they handle all their athletes on and off the ice in these negotiation settings. the amount of talk around the league with regards to them

is ridiculously positive. This one's almost Oppos City. Yeah, it's, yeah, chalk and cheese. It's completely different one from the other. The other headline story of the day to day, Alexander Ovechkin making it official, this will be his last season. So as much as he may not have wanted,

you remember when Denny Pot fan retired from the Islanders and like every rank was like a bouquet of flowers at Center Ice. And I was like, oh man, He couldn't. Like, every Islander's game has taken three and a half hours because of the pot fan celebration. Great defense. I don't think that, I don't think that Ovechkin wants that that. I think he probably wants something more akin to what we just saw with Anjay Kopitar with the Los Angeles Kings.

A little bit more understated, but then like, here's the greatest goal scorer in the history of the NHL. Yeah. So this will happen. Like, he will get fedded that way. I was kind of surprised today at the press conference. that nobody asked about Dynamo next year. Because everyone's always said, like, even when I'm done, I'm not really done.

Yes, he's retiring from the NHL, not necessarily from hockey. Correct. Now, I don't know if it's another, a full season with Dynamo. Last year, when I interviewed him, he talked about playing a few games with Dynamo, but like, we're on the same page here, right, Dave. Like, he's finishing his career playing for, for Denamo, not the Washington. I'd be beyond shocked

if he doesn't. NHL career is coming to an end. But I think it's always been that, well, you just mentioned, it's always been that mindset that he will wrap things up in the K in terms of his overall playing career.

He's not going to go, you know, full yager in the Czech League, where he's still going. You know, at most, my guess is one year or one season, and that's, sit at most. But that's always been the indicator. So and that's just, you know, personal problem. Again, other guys go home to their countries back in Europe and overseas. And they want to play a little bit over there because it's, you know, it means something to their families.

It means something to their legacy overall in those, you know, in their native countries. I think that's always been the consideration for Ovi that he would do that. Once he's done his NHL career, go back, play a few games, half a season, a full season in the K. And then officially hang them up for good. Yeah. Any takeaways for you from this this opening weekend? I know.

Like I'm not going to do like every couple of days like audit on the NHL where it's still not enough to see trends. There's some things that, you know, I look like I look at Elias Pedersen and go like, oh, that's awesome. Like I hope, like I'm sure you saw him crush Zane Perak. And he's blasted and ripping one timers again. Like he's, okay, it's early, but Elias Pedersen is looking good. Calgary can't score a goal.

Chicago is struggling. Anaheim's put together a couple of wins. Yeah. So is there other things that you look at, either positively or negatively and go like, this and the Barkoff injury? Good Lord. Anything that you look at positively or negatively

is all like, you know what? This has really caught my attention this weekend. Yeah. Maybe it's Terrell Bauer and both Castellick and Colossar. There's a new candidate here, Matthew Olivier, Nick DeLoree, heads up. Yeah.

Not a big fan of that hit, though, on, who was it? Comfer. The late. J.G.G. Comfer, yeah. Yeah, a little bit late for me. But don't look at your past. A little bit late.

Don't look at your phone. Yeah, 100%. Don't look at that. But still, the hit still, a tiny bit late for me. That being said, he's been smoking everybody. So, yeah, you've got a new heavyweight here in the league, certainly. I looked at that. I looked at, yeah, Florida, they, you're barco.

out, but Marshaen comes in the mix scored yesterday. For them, the Barkoff thing, the initial, at least the whispers now, or maybe it's only two months what he's dealing with with his knee. So we'll see, we're supposed to have a bigger update, a more official update, I think today, or at least he's being re-evaluated today, to kind of see exactly what the extent of that is. But seeing Marchant come back and, you know, them tying it. Montreal was a nice takeaway for me with their game.

against Pittsburgh on Saturday, down 5-1 and the resiliency of that group coming back to tie things up, even though they lost an OT. I'm glad you brought up Pettersen, because, you know, Elias Pedersen, nice to see him kind of back on track to a certain degree. Again, just a few games in, two games in, whatever it is. But, you know, the Canucks made it a point to work with him a little bit more this off-season, for the Cedines to be with him and work with him a little bit more this off-season and throughout the season to get him going and back on track.

So that was nice, you know, certainly to see. And there was someone else, and I completely just blanked on it. Somebody else. Paul Cotter, four goals. Yeah, yeah, with the Conant. As we all expected. It was, yeah, right? It was a team.

It was the New York Rangers, three and one in their first four in terms of positivity. Did you like Dylan Garand? Hey, hey, everybody on waivers. Did you like Dylan Garand? Yeah. Come on. You touched on it. You said it.

You were surprised. he cleared. Stunned. Nice, nice little, nice ability to put him in, give Igor a little bit of a break if he needs to,

the goal score that he is. Just need Igor on the power play. That's all. Yeah, there you go. But nice, nice first week for the New York Rangers because I was,

and I mentioned this before, I wanted to see how they were going to do in the first quarter of the season, and there's still a lot of time. But going three and one in their first four, really good sign for the New York Rangers and their fan base and for our boy, Johnny Las.

Yeah. How about Seattle? Spanking Calgary twice. Outscoring them 12, too. All they need to do is play Calgary all season. It's going to be a rough year in Calgary. Last season at the dome, there'll be an interesting team to watch, especially as the season moves along here. We get closer to that March 1st trade deadline. You're going to see a lot of guys probably in different jerseys by then. But hey, it's a rebuild. Can't rebuild the right way. you're winning games, although it's a totally different ballgame because you want to be winning games.

But, you know, they reshaped their blue line. They brought in and augmented the entire defensive core of that team in terms of moving forward. Now it's time to focus on up front. And we'll see what Connie and them have to do this season with it. The Toronto Maple Leafs and Gavin McKenna. The NHL is a really hard league. Yes, it is. I was at all three of their games so far.

I'll be at their game tomorrow against national. He looked great in their last preseason game against Ottawa. Now, I know it's preseason, and it was like one NHL caliber line, Stutz's line, and then the rest was like lower tier. But he was as confident as a rookie player could be in that game. And I don't know if the nerves have come into play. His family's been here all week. I don't know if that's factored in, just little head games and whatnot.

he's going to get there. It's just the first three games were a little bit, a little rough. Now, he was taken off the second line in the middle of game one against the Montreal Canadiens. Didn't happen in games two and three because I think, you know,

Jim Hiller and Company in Toronto really liked what his third line was producing with Cowan, Nick Paul, and Colton Sisson. So they really, they really were producing. You want to keep those together. First line was doing well, keep that together. You want to give McKenna a little bit more runway.

It's way too early, I think, to really determine how this is going to go for him this season. But I think first week, families here, nerves, all of that, definitely factored into his performance. The thing about, I mean, listen, obviously so much have been placed on this season for the future of Austin Matthews,

this organization, jobs, like all of it. You know what it feels, and you know what the pressure's like and the tension is always like around that team and in that building. You know what it feels like now? Because you've seen the reaction. And it'll continue as long as the team is, you know, in the playoffs, out of the playoffs, flirting with the playoffs.

You know what it feels like after every loss? Like if you're the Ottawa Senators and Steve Steyos, did it not feel like you played Toronto? You kicked the bees nest and you got out of town. Yeah. And it feels like after every loss, it feels like because you see the reaction from everywhere. and it's just instant buzz around all of it and instant audit. It feels like someone just kicked over a bees nest when the Maple Leafs loose at home. Am I on base or off base on this one?

Because that's what it feels like from my perch. It's just, I can see it. It kicked over the bees nest. And here comes the conversation, the negativity, the audit. Like, it's the bees nest. Oh, crap, here we go again. Yeah. And it's not like, I definitely see it.

It's not like they were, you know, shellacked 5-1 or anything. like that. Like they lost three to the habs. They lost three two to the Sends. I can't remember with the aisle score one. I can't remember who was one goal. Oh, it was two one. They won two one. Yeah. So, you know, you're dealing with one goal games here. But at the same time, it's not like, you know, it was a six two final or, you know, they got beat four nothing or anything like that. But with expectations shifting in Toronto to getting back on track with so much emphasis of we're not rebuilding we're going to compete. Yeah, the early part of the season, yeah, you could certainly see some of that. But you got through the first week. They had a big practice

this morning. I want to see how they do tomorrow. Now it's a little bit different. You got a couple divisional rivals out of the way. You got the aisles and the whole Schaefer experience out of the way and you came out on top. And if there was maybe five more minutes in that game, we might be having a different discussion. But the aisle started to get a little bit, they get going a little bit too late. But I'm curious to see how they do tomorrow night against the Preds.

And with that first week under their belt, Marchenko gets a little bit, a couple more days to kind of unwind a little bit and breathe. Same with McKenna, to a degree. Yeah, let's see how the second week of the season goes for this group. You know, we'll close on this one. You mentioned Cona Hallibach a couple of seconds ago earlier in our conversation.

As long as Winnipeg wins a hockey game. Yep. There's like no panic or reason for Kevin Schiavolde off to make anything other than a deal that he wants. You know, they've won a game, lost a game in overtime. Nothing's changed. No, unless, yeah, exactly. You know, unless they start piling up some else,

the sense of urgency shifts to the player more than the team. And there's going to have to be some internal deliberation here to figure out what he wants to do with his group and what the plan is. And then from the jet side of things, the better they perform, the longer they perform for the better, does that impact their cost at all? Does that impact? And by that, I mean, well, maybe we don't need two impact guys right away. Maybe we just need one young impact players, NHL caliber players.

But that means now we want higher future package on top of it. So rather than two immediate pieces and the rest of picks and prospects, we're going to take one good one. And the future element is going to be that much more, that much heavier of a price to pay. I wonder if it shifts in that direction, the longer this goes. I think it's still early. But the longer this goes, I do wonder if from Chevy's side of things, if he goes, no, I still need somebody for my second line, for example,

as opposed to two second line guys or a second line and a defenseman or something like that, along with futures. I wonder if it shifts to, I need a winger because we like Bjork. I need a winger. Let's put him on the second line with him in Valardi or Perfetti. But now the futures element, the price of that has increased a little bit. And if you want this guy, fine. You know, that's okay.

We'll take the one immediate, but you've got to pay a little extra on the futures. Love it. Okay, BFO Insider Wednesdays here at our daily Faceoff YouTube channel and wherever you get your podcast. Thank you, Dave. I'll brush up on my Italian for Wednesday. See what I come up with. Oh, boy. Man-Expan away from just wines. See where I go. See where I end up. Thanks, pal. You'd be good. Ciao, mello. Dave's the best. You ever thought on any of that, Zach, especially your leafy? Does the kickover the bees nest analogy resonate with you? Because you have, You're the first line. Yeah. Like,

you're the first line that gets it, right? Because when you hit after dark, after a loss, it's the bees nest being kicked over. Yeah. I was at war with the chat. It was game three. And I've got these, these people in my chat telling me that the seasons over, the team stinks and Chica's a moron. And I'm like, guys, like, they're one and two.

They lost two-one gold games. Let's, let's breathe a little bit. It's the best analogy. It's the best analogy. You're 100% right. These sales came in, kicked over the bees nest and got out of town. I let you deal with it on After Dark. Yes, I was dealing with the wrath of Leifes Nation where I was like,

hey, I think that we're in a decent spot here. I'm not panicking yet. Like, let's not worry. But just the one thing with the McKenna situation, I know a lot of players, you probably look at it and say you're forcing this situation. I find it fascinating. Maybe I'm wrong on this. I'm not a player development coach.

No shit. But my thought on it is he's a guy who took a little bit to get adjusted to the pace, the system, the structure, the physicality of each of the levels that he stepped into at whatever point in his career. Like, I'm sure the first five, ten games of his WHL career weren't all sunshine and rainbows. And then we saw it was well documented him going to Penn State and the adjustment period that he went through. I almost feel like it's better for him to actually experience it and play through it rather than be like, all right, kid, go get out of here, like go back to college like people were saying in the chat the other day, which is not happening. But like, you know, like go down the lineup, go to the HL.

I think it's better for the kid to almost play through it and figure it out as he goes because it seemed to work for him at other levels. But I'm not panicking here yet. It's people coming at the town kicking over the. the business, as you said, and then running away and stealing their two points, and it's fair. You know, I saw, I saw a tweet the other day. I think it's from Jack Richardson. He's a sense content creator and he put out something about McKenna when he's not playing against the Belleville senators and he was a photo of Justin Bieber in a Leafs track suit. I was like, all right, you know what?

Fair play. Fair play, but I'm not panicked yet. Easton Cowan looks good. Fantastic. If you want to talk about positives, Easton Cowan looks fantastic. And I said it when the trade happened and it was more of a hypothesis about what maybe they saw internally. I don't know these things. It was a guess.

I think that through three games here, I might have been on to something in that the Leafs felt that they lost a big element in what Matthew Nyes brought to the table, but they felt that they had at least a part. of that internally in Easton Cowan. He doesn't replicate what Nice does, but you want to talk about a motor on a guy and not giving up on plays, having jam.

That's always been Cowan. Yeah, that's always been Easton Cowan. He's got it. He's got it. That's one of those ones. I'll pat myself on the back. I think that I might have been around it on that one. Three games in.

You're giving yourself pat's on the back. All of a set three games. Well, it's only three games, but I'll pat myself on that. Well, for that one. For that one. For that one. yours. Anything jump out at you? Just really quick before we get to, I do want to mention, by the way, the passing of Lyle-Odeline. Yes.

Who played in the NHL for a number, and his toughness is undeniable, was undeniable in the NHL. And his health struggles were well documented. Guy was in a coma, like, and he faced it and he fought it. And, you know, the NHL is a poorer place without Lyle O'Deline in it, who passed away. at the very young age of 58. So condolences to his family and his friends. Anyhow, anything grab you from the weekend. I was watching that Jets game yesterday when they...

Also, just a side note, by the way. Yeah. I watched the Jets game earlier in the day, Landon Ferraro on the broadcast there. And then I watched the Canucks game to cap off the night last night in which Ray Ferraro was on the broadcast. Taken over. Early similar how the...

Ferraro. Oh, yeah. Well, gentlemen sound so similar. It is nuts. I was, if you just sat me down and blindfolded me and didn't tell me what game I was watching, I would not have known that it was the difference between Landon or Ray calling the game.

That's a side note on that. It was insane. But that fight by Tyrell Bauer. You want to show it? You got it? I got it here. Do you have the left hands that he throws? It's just after the hit.

just the fight, the left hands that he throws to take down Colossar in this one. This kid is a mutant, Jeff. And I guess he's not really like a kid. He spent four years grinding it out in the American Hockey League. So kid is maybe not the right term. But the fight against Casillac, the fight against Colossar, this is a scary human being right now. That left that catches him on the jaw and then that second left. Yeah.

You know who saw that? And you know who saw the fight with Castelik? Olivier. Yeah. Matthew Olivier, Matt Rempey, Nick Deloree, this guy saw that,

saw that fight. Jeffrey Vial, all saw it. True. Bokanjiamama. All saw that fight. Curtis Douglas saw all these fights. I went like,

okay. there's someone else. There's someone else. And it's someone too that, like to your point, like he's been banging it out in the American Hockey League and earning that reputation as like, man, if this guy can make it to the NHL, I wonder, I really do wonder.

Because that's a jump too. I can recall so many different times seeing like tough players in the American Hockey League make the jump to the NHL. And as you talk about how. players are are more skilled in the national hockey league they're also tougher let's see when's winnipeg yeah Columbus when's winnipeg playing carolina let's take i i actually don't know when i'm going to take a look at that because those are going to be ones that i'm going to be

circling there is and the new york rangers like there is going to be this sidebar story right like remember when remi was like going through everybody and like every single game that he played, he was fighting someone because he was out there in the established, established the reputation year. And we all said the same thing. He's big and he's tough, but man, he's got to learn how to block a punch. Yeah, that's the main difference between Bauer and Rempie when they first came in. Rampi was fighting everyone and eating everything.

Tyrol Bauer seems to know his way around the ring a little bit better than what Rempi did when he first came in. He was just gung-ho, let's throw a punch. punches. Tyro Bauer seems to know how to fight a little bit more. That was T-Bird on T-Bird Violence, both played with Seattle and the Western Harkley. Just missed each other by a year, though. He's had a couple of people DM me about, like, didn't they play together on a 2017 team with Matthew Barzal and Ryan Grop and all good? No, they miss each other by, miss each other by one season.

But nonetheless, the castle. Well, here, Jeff. What, what do you got? They play the ducks on Friday. this is Winnipeg that is so they play the ducks on Friday they play the hurricanes on Saturday 17th

and then they play Give me Columbus Olivier You gotta wait for that one Listen to this run This could be The gauntlet for Tyrell Bauer

October 27th At Home versus the Florida Panthers October 29th On the road against the Tampa Bay Lightning October 30th on the road against the Florida Panthers and then close that one out November 1st on the road

at the Carolina Hurricanes. So you're going to go you go Panthers, Lightning, Panthers, Hurricanes, Deloree. What are you going to be like by the time you get to Deloree? There's going to be an element of like big boss. You know,

meeting the final boss here at the Deloree. If he waltzes his way through the Florida, Tampa stuff and he gets to Deloree, Deloree at the end. It's just, it's Deloree sitting there. He's the Hanson brothers in the locker room with the foil on the knuckles. You've got to get through him.

Yeah, this is a scary stretch. That's where you're Scott Ernie, all you say to him, like, you don't have to do this every night. I know you're here and you want to, like, earn your reputation, start to cement it. Like, you need to earn the rep, so guys give you space and, you know, respect what you're all about. You don't have to do this every night. You really die. Good luck telling Matt Ramp. be that and guys that have done it before but like you don't have to do this every night you don't

you don't you don't as colby says in the chat uh jeff he lost every fight he's talking about uh remi rampi lost every single fight he just couldn't block a punch right he just couldn't block a punch well he just knew you had to throw him he forgot that there's another guy throwing them as well but when you're going when you're when you're running through it. Like when you're just like so much bigger than everybody else, no one's going to come close to hitting you. Remember that first time he fought Olivier?

And it was like, oh boy, okay, you're not ready for this yet, kid. You're really not ready for this. Anyhow, games tonight. We have games tonight. And we also do here. Let me just get to the games tonight. We only have four on the board tonight. Or we have the Flyers and the bolts.

We've got the Sends and the Bruins, Winnipeg Jets, Pittsburgh Penguins, Bokan Giamama in the lineup tonight, Mr. Bauer asks. San Jose Sharks and the Dallas, oh no, yeah, the Dallas Stars and the San Jose Sharks. Bokane Giamama doesn't play with Pittsburgh anymore. He plays with Florida. So, tonight, this segment with our four games this evening, brought you by Sports Interaction, sports book, and casino. Every game is your game when you bet with sports interaction. bet the action on every period, every shift, every shot with Canada's homegrown sports book,

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You got to send you. You can do this. Help me out. I've got a parlay, same game parlay that you can build over on sports interaction for tonight's games. It is actually in the San Jose Sharks game for tonight. So I was taking a look or I was watching, I guess, a couple of the games. I was digging into some of the stats for it. Through two games, the Dallas Stars, 0 and 2, they've scored one goal.

They've given up six. But on the other side, the San Jose Sharks, two and O right now, they have scored nine, given up seven, a total in their two games of 16 goals. So the way that I'm attacking this one here tonight, Jeff, I am looking at the San Jose Sharks to win by, to win by minus one and a half, two or more goals, a total of over five and a half in the game, and Macklin-Cellibrini to get on the board with an anytime goal.

And in this one here tonight, $5 will pay you $47.50. sense. So we're keeping it tight with the same game parley, but over five and a half in the game, sharks to win by two or more, and Celebrini to get on the board. That is my same game parlay for tonight. You know who has the only goal for Dallas this year? Again, it's two games, folks. We're not going to do this and get way ahead of ourselves. And like every year there's a hundred point team that falls out. This year it's going to be Dallas because they're going to be. Miro Haskinen. he's the only player that's found the back of the net so far in two games for the Dallas stars

who have essentially run back the same team yes minus Maverick Bork yeah pretty much he's now in Nashville which is an interesting one but yes they got to turn like listen they're not I still think that San Jose does a number on Dallas tonight but at the same time like Dallas is going is going they're too good to be oh and two with only one goal.

I just wonder about um stale like staleness around them. Same team. Yeah. In the room, you know we've tried this hasn't worked. Guys are older. There's big pieces of that team who are on not even the back nine. You know, in some cases guys might be on walking up to the T blocks on 18 here right now. You're pushing it

You're sitting around saying well Nothing's changed Nothing really drastically got better Youth went out the door Hmm I don't know I wonder Stank Oven and Bork

And we're all like Ah they're so set up But like They got ranting They got white Johnston Jason Robertson There's gonna be a game Not enough

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Anything that, like to me it's been great watching Vancouver games for Elias Pedersen as I was talking to with Dave a couple of seconds ago Did you see that hit on Zane Perak? Oh my God. The middle of the ice. That's old school. That is Don Cherry, Rock and Sockham. Yes, that is.

And were you stunned that it was Elias Patterson? Yes. I tweeted out last night. I said, you know, I'm starting to wonder some things here. There's some questions about a two C here in Toronto. Oh, boy. I'm thinking about the Swedish connection. Leas Patterson, William.

Nealander, Daniel Alfredson, Matt Sondin. I don't know. This guy's around the nearest game. He's one of the best shot blocking forwards last year. Detroit. They need a center in Detroit. They know a thing to do about Swedish players too. Yeah, I'm happy for him.

And I'm happy for the Vancouver Canucks, even though the program is to be last. Be competitive, but be last. and I'll tell you what, like DuPont looked really good on the weekend. Everyone that I talked to is right away I get a note from someone after a game one. DuPont number one without a doubt it's over. Like that fast.

He looked fantastic, apparently. Shocking nobody. Good on Vancouver. You know, maybe this is the perfectly executed dignified tank. It's like what the Leafs did in 2015. They competed. They worked hard. They lost a lot of games.

Maybe that is what we're seeing here in Vancouver. They just got to stop playing Calgary because Vancouver might go 84 and 0 if they played Calgary every night. Seattle, too. Seattle, too. I don't remember if I told you. I think I was talking to Dan Riccio about it. I tuned into the Seattle Calgary game the other day.

I watched about three minutes and I thought, that's enough. Last night or the first time? The first one. The first game that they played. Last night they were all over. Merley. Samiskevich was awesome.

Shane Wright scores. Like, holy geez. No, the first game, it was in the second period. I think Seattle was up three nothing at that point already. I was watching for like three or four minutes. They scored again and I just went, I've seen enough of this. I think I know how this game's going to end. I'm good.

Let's get out of here. Find something else. Not pretty. It's going to be a tough season in Calgary. Make no doubt about it. Listen, thanks to Max Bolt for stopping by from The Athletic talking to us about the headline story of the week, which bleeds into this week. And that is Simon Edvinson, the Detroit Red Wings.

We all saw the games on the weekend to sell the team chance to booing of Dylan Lark at all as expected, although I really kind of didn't expect sell the team this early, but that's where we're at. And thanks to Dave Panyoda. My co-host with DFO Insider, heard and seen Wednesdays at her daily faceoff YouTube channel, also wherever you get your podcast. And that's the same as this program. If you missed it or want to go back and either watch right here, DFO YouTube channel, want to listen, please subscribe on Spotify and or Apple Podcasts.

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