The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Swamp Madness ft. Greg Wyshynski

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Live from Sunrise, Florida, The Sheet with Jeff Marek and co-host Greg Wyshynski dives headfirst into the wild chaos of Game 3 of the Stanley Cup Final, where the Florida Panthers took a commanding win over the Edmonton Oilers. What went wrong for Edmonton, and is this a series-defining game? Jeff and Greg break down the biggest moments, key turning points, and what it all means heading into Game 4. They also dive into Gary Bettman’s recent comments on state income tax, dissecting why he brought it up and how it’s playing with fans and players alike. Plus, the latest NHL offseason rumors are already swirling, and the guys have thoughts.#StanleyCupFinal #NHL2025 #FloridaPanthers #EdmontonOilers #Game3Recap #TheSheet #JeffMarek #GregWyshynski #HockeyTalk #NHLPlayoffs #GaryBettman #NHLRumors #HockeyPodcast #NHLOffseason #SunriseFloridaShout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Ninja Kitchen Canada: https://www.ninjakitchen.ca/products/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system-zidFN101CGY?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=olv&utm_campaign=25Q2-Crispi&utm_content=en👍🏼Budweiser: https://www.budweiser.ca/ca_enReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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war criminal by the chat because the levels the levels were off I like this place a lot I've come to really spend more time here than probably I should. Yeah. But, you know, when it's 150% humidity, and like 90 degrees in Fort Lauderdale, gotta tell you, worst place is to spend your day than at an ice rink, my friend. No, it's very, very true. I'm just like, my hotel's like two blocks away,

and I've gone from extreme sweating and extreme heat yeah to the chill of a Zamboni driver and that's the thing which is hitting the ace behind when we did the show from whatever bank sponsors at arena amaranth sure people were talking about how lovely it was to hear the ambient noise it reminded me of when we would do mbsw back in the day yeah and I would be on the road and you would be back in the home office. Yes. And then I would connect through a large device that I stole from the score. And then people would be excited about hearing the pucks knocking off the boards during practice. Remember that? I do. I also liked better Morson than the boards because the boards really drowned out the sound

Yeah, I do like the puck off a crossbar. There you go puck off a crossbar is is the best and Speaking of which just as a quick plug for my favorite players Dale Howarchuk Ah, great Dale Howarchuk would practice shooting Blindfolded and could tell the difference and I think he did this with Mark Shafely when he coached him and Barry he could tell the Different sound between when the puck hit the crossbar that when the puck hit the post Wow, which is how finely tuned his ears were That's like when Woody Harrelson would be able to tell the sound of what what just happened on the bowling lane by the sound of the pins It's the same principle. Yes. Okay

the pins on incantation. It's the same principle. Yes, okay. It's the same principle. We got a lot to get to after last night's game and I don't know how I want to really describe the game other than that was like an old school beat down. It was six to one. That was the final Florida Panthers over the Edmonton Oilers.

The Florida Panthers showing the Edmonton Oilers what a team of will can do. And the Oilers saying, yeah, we started playing on our heels and that's the way it went. Let's kick off the show here by reminding everybody that this program and Daily Outlines are powered by FanDuel. Make every moment more with North America's number one sportsbook and that is FanDuel on the horizon. Like

this is like to be honest when you and I are together on programs like this, this is a suggestion. This is the B plan. Right. So in the mud means the game last night, which was very much played in the mud and in the penalty box as well. Yeah. We will talk more about state tax. Gary Bettman with the TNT crew last night didn't say anything that wasn't truthful. Right. There was just maybe one small issue of omission. We'll get to that in a couple of seconds. Remember when everyone had a good whack at the Jeffy Pignada, what I dared to bring up the fact that Dallas might actually entertain moving Jason Robertson. I do. It's gathering steam. You were ahead of the curve. For the first time, ahead of

the curve in something, certainly not in fashion or in in entertainments, but for Jason Robertson perhaps ahead of the curve and rising value. By rising value we're talking about two players specifically, Brad Marshand who at 37 is about to get a raise and maybe a healthy one, and also Sam Bennett. Oh Sam Bennett. Every shift the price goes up and and up, and we'll talk plenty about game four. We'll do reverse Peterman here. We'll go big and then we'll narrow it down. Main takeaways from last night in Sunrise. And maybe this even begins with Evander Kane

skating around like a shark in his own zone during the Anthems. Wasn't in the starting lineup. No. He was just out there for a skate. Evander Kane had more pedaling minutes in game three than he had in the 17 previous games he's played the playoffs, folks.

Yeah. Which is to say that all the talk about composure, all the talk about it's different this time, all the talk about mental toughness, all the talk about we're not taking the Panthers' bait, it all went out the window. It all went out the window it all went out the window in game three I told you on this very program that a Vander Kane had a fuse that a Vander Kane was the Winter Soldier and the Panthers knew the

code words to activate the chip but he was hang on a second but he was out for this like he was looking for this like as you know the Chris Johnston tweet that we're just showing here up on screen if you're watching on YouTube. This is something that Evander Kane seemed like he wanted to initiate even before the opening buck drop. Which is stupid! This was this I don't know what it was but was it a signal to the Florida Panthers that I'm here for business? It is exactly what it was last night it was the it was the evident oilers trying to play a game that a i don't believe they're comfortable playing despite all the chatter that

they put out there to the contrary and be playing a game that they're not going to play better than the florida panthers the panthers are the best at this anything else is a pale imitation and what do you what do you end up with when you don't play is a pale imitation. And what do you end up with when you don't play their game as well as they play it? You end up with a Vander Kane who, once again, had more penalty minutes in game three than he had in 17 games combined before game three. You have a Vander Kane whining about how

we get called for stuff that they don't get called for. Well no, no shit, like you're not good at it. They're the best at it. They're good at it. They're the best at it. You know what they're good at? I was saying this to someone this morning here at the practice facility.

They're the masters of the one minute penalty. Yeah. The one minute penalty for the uninitiated is the penalty that an official will look at and say I'm really uncomfortable calling a penalty on this one two minutes seems too extreme It's worth something and if I had the option of giving them a one minute penalty I would but I can't so I'm not gonna give them anything Florida are the masters of the one minute penalty and then we ended up with a lot of one minute penalties in the first period.

Because you know what? We did. Because the power play would get wiped out, the power play would get wiped out. It's funny, we were texting each other last night because we talked about the two previous games, 1-1 series in the Stanley Cup final. It felt very different than it did last year and and you said the worst the only

worst case scenario for Edmonton is to lay an egg and specifically you said specifically said if Stuart Skinner gave up six goals in game three, then maybe it would affect them mentally. So he only gave up five. I don't know where you are on it, Merrick. He only gave up five. But you can buy... Last night was disastrous on several levels.

It was a parfait of disaster for the Oilers. The top of the parfait, obviously, was them being goaded into nonsense after the whistle, them losing their marbles, taking bad penalties. All the focus has been on the third period, which Leon Dreisleidel poetically called a UFC fight just a few minutes ago. But the bottom line is that they lost their composure well before that. But the bottom part of this just awfully tasting parfait for the Edmund and Eulers is that ever since around the second period of game two,

the Panthers have kinda gotten to their game, their four check is pulverizing the Edmonton defense, Bobrovsky's playing really well, they keep scoring a bunch of goals in every game, and also I think, you know, it's funny, all this stuff happened last night, Merrick, to obscure what was probably, what probably should have been the two biggest headlines.

Skinner getting pulled effort, giving up five goals. And Connor McDavid and Leon Dreisaitl for the 13th time in their history as teammates, not registering a point in the same game. And Dreisaitl in particular, for the second time in his 93 game postseason career not registering a shot attempt against the Panthers. Listen from the opening puck drop they were on their heels that's why like I look at last night's game and I say none of it was surprising when you look at

that first period. Yeah. Like whatever happened in period two, what happened in period three, entirely predictable and I was, even though I'm not a fan of like, slashing guys in the face when they're down, everything the Oilers did after they realized that they're not in this thing, I was totally fine with. Because the opposite,

like there was a lot of commentary online about all of disgracing themselves and you know, they're getting beaten so they're getting frustrated and they're just taking runs at everybody. Yeah that's what you do in the playoffs when you're getting tanned and if I'm Chris Knobloch I want that to happen for one very basic reason. You can always calm a team down. You can't build a team up. You know, it's funny, I was talking to someone again, here this morning who said, you know, compare that to how, not to make you everything about the Toronto Maple Leafs

wish, but here I go. Okay. Could you imagine the Maple Leafs doing that? And the answer was no, they would go meekly at the end of, there'd be a couple of guys that would give these sort of you know courtesy push and shove after a whistle, but Whether it was Trent Frederick slashing Sam Bennett's wrist

And I'm sure he woke up this morning saying ow. Yeah, that's that's not gonna feel or Jake Wallman Turning into this completely different version of jake walman yet the unhinged first both with punches and with squirting water bottles and he's ten thousand dollars later for a reason jenna was of the maximum of allowed under the collective bargaining agreement five wallman that you'll get the idea go to uh... mcdonald's here you'll be thinking about which extra value meal you should purchase based on the top how much lighter your wallet is with that $10,000

having gone missing. Just as an aside because I think we all look at those fines, this is all collectively bargained, I think we all look at the fines and we kind of snicker like this is tip money that the guys walk around with. There does need to be a conversation at some point, I don't know that it happens in this CBA, I don't know if there's any appetite even to have this conversation but i really do think that at some point we do have the conversation that every fine which is on the other side of sliding scale first from these things

depending on how much the player makes needs to rise to the level of the equivalent of missing one game's paycheck. Like, it's like a suspension kind of deal. It's like a suspension, but you're not suspended. You're just surrendering money. Right. But, but anyhow, I digress.

Well, I mean, it, it, I mean, you could, you could probably work it where, I mean, you have an escalating scale for diving. Like, why don't we have an escalating scale for slashing? Why don't we have an escalating scale for, for all the other infractions that just get a fine? Yeah, Wallman's a great example. But Wallman's the example that I want to use to react to your point. Okay. I know why the Oilers did that last night in the third period.

I know why we had the fourth most penalty minutes in a game, a Stanley Cup final game we ever had based on like the 122 minutes I think it was that we had in the third period they're doing that for themselves they're doing that to convince themselves they're still in the fight they're not going out weekly band of brothers we're all together yada yada yada but there's a second part of that equation which is that you're trying to communicate to your opponent that you're still in the fight I don't know that we're and that we've done to us in this game is not going to debilitate us no hang on I. I don't know that we're and that we've done to us in this game is not going to debilitate us. No hang on. Honestly I don't think that's it. I don't think that this was a

message like oh don't forget like we're trying to scare the Florida Panthers. You don't think that that Frederick going after Bennett isn't something intended to send Bennett a message? I know I don't think it's a message. I think they're out there to hurt them. Right. Like no I don't think it's like a message like oh you better be wait wait till we get you in the ring on Thursday Let's go. No, I think like they went out there to get licks in on, Florida Yeah, that will show up on Thursday because now Sam Bennett's gonna have an injured wrist or someone someone else is gonna have a laugh with them I get that they understand that what they were doing laughed at them I get that they understand that what they were doing Walden he was shooting a water bottle at the bench because he's so upset someone

took his love took his glove this is the kind of bullshit that was being put out there by the by the oilers in this game the Panthers might be sore maybe no more sore than they would be in a normal game but at the end of the day they got exactly what they wanted they had some idiot squ squirting water at them from the other bench. They got them going after him and chasing him around in the third game. Brian Boucher was more angry than the Panthers were because he was messing up all day. He was getting water on the equipment of the cameras. So Boucher on the replay is banging against the glass and shaking his finger at Wallman

and I saw Boucher after the game and he's walking towards me and I'm like, ah, and he goes, I'm sorry. He's like, it was just a natural reaction to what was going on. Look at him, look at Bouschet go. Hey, get out of here, you, like he's swatting a fly. I just think that it was, everything that they did in the third period will not show up battle scar wise for the Panthers. Everything they did in the third period.

I wonder about Bennett's wrist. I wonder about Bennett's rest. Everything they did in the third period was embarrassing. It was a complete and total genuflect in the direction of the Panthers and what they were able to do in that game. Could not disagree more about that one. That is the Ed Patola saying we're not in this game, we're not going to win this game. What can we do to help us in game four? And they were laughing they were laughing we can try to hurt them and then they didn't know they didn't because for the Panthers the end of the day are tough teams exactly but it's it but it's but listen would you rather have the Edmonton oil just tuck tail and like rag the puck try to eat

the clock and let's just try to get out of here and get to the hot towels you know what makes me feel better if I'm the Oilers leaving that game if it's six three on why Because they quit Because it was six one because they had nothing They had nothing exactly. They had nothing So what they decided was listen if we're gonna do anything for the range of this game We're going to try to get a pound of flesh. I get it

do anything for the range of this game we're going to try to get a pound of flesh. I get it! I get it! It is the total emasculation of this team to go out like that. No, total emasculation. I understand them trying to convince themselves that they're tough and stuff. But you're playing against a team that takes a punch better than anyone, laughs it off, and then punches right back. So punch them. That's the point. So punch them. This is how they got under the pickle, trying to punch them. No, they get under the pickle because they couldn't play off the start of the game. They were awful. Opening puck truck, first shift, all of it. Yeah. Edmonton was flat out bad. They were. Stuart Skinner, they were

Wish they were, they were firing balloons. Let's talk about Skinner. Through Stuart Skinner last time. You have been a Skinner skeptic. Yeah. Many of us have bought into the idea that the reset worked, that he was the foundational player that he wasn't gonna lose in the series. But let's talk about specifics. When Marchand scored the most important goal of the game, the first one.

He got him on the board first and off of the race as we go, Stuart Skinner was diving after a puck that was already behind him. That's what was happening on that plate. There was a schmazz in front of the net. There were a lot of bodies there. If you look at that goal again, the puck is literally behind him that Marshand is shot

while Skinner is diving forward. It's like when you're playing a video game and you hit the wrong button and your guy goes in the opposite direction of where you want him to go, that's what it looked like on that goal. And the other goal goal the Reinhardt goal was terrible And then he gives himself he cost the team of delay a game penalty with a puck over the glass which is unconscionable And they score on the ensuing power play he was terrible last night And I understand why not block is playing grab ass right now with you might play in game four because I think they're probably having A serious discussion about even though Chris has been very public about trying to defend

Skinner he was he was he was he was on the precipice of I've cost them the game last night and you probably think he did I Think he was one of the reasons but like to a to a player last night, Florida won every single race Yeah, Florida was first on the puck Florida Florida won every board battle. Like all those tiny little things that add up to well what turns into a six to one score. Florida did all those things. But to me it wasn't the it wasn't even the the Brad Marsh angle. To me the absolute clincher was the Sam Bennett breakaway. Yeah. Where Skinner just looked locked. Right. Like that's not a fancy move. No it's not. okay like it's it's a couple Bury on a breakaway here no we're not this isn't like all the

yoke and and shoot out here are you see open and with the this was this is Merrick Malik this was he went between the legs and it's not fancy there did the Statue of Liberty celebration which we all love but that was a really basic move yeah and not just that goal but some of the other goals like look how far like if a goal goes in like nestling right in between the glove and the shoulder okay here we go that happens this is a hell of a shift by Bennett by the way to start the sequence massive head look at this acceleration like once they get the puck look at this acceleration Bennett My god, that's really a power-up in Mario Kart look that is not a that is not a

Sophisticated move no and nor was Skinner even he didn't move. He's chopping the puck down the ice It's such a great hit on Paul Cole's into yeah, then has little Although a little bit wacky to to and then off to off to the races Yeah, but that was one where I said, you really gotta get Skinner outta there. It's probably even too late by that point. If Skinner can win a cup at Edmonton, maybe they'll build a statue for him,

and there he's a statue right there. There you go. Full circle. But the thing is, what would you claim the game for? One thing I do wanna mention about Skinner too, because we're not done kicking him. I guess, as we continue. The shots weren't even close.

The shots weren't even close to them when they went in. I was texting with one goalie coach and he's like, that's like two feet away. And it's going in. And by the way, high blocker early. Yesterday was high blocker early for the Panthers. And by the way, high blocker early. Yesterday was high blocker early for the Panthers. Oh, they were shooting high all night. Did you know socks are one of the most requested clothing items by organizations addressing homelessness?

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Their defense, they're gonna have to change up the personnel because their four check is crushing them into dust. Connor and Leon being shut out in the game, not great. But the goal-tending disparity, which seemed like it was maybe a bit even at the start of the series, and maybe even felt that way through the first game of the series, now we're seeing that point of separation where Bafrovsky's been really good for two games, Skinner was terrible last night, and you thought he thought he should have stopped Marchand's double overtime goal, right?

Like you thought that was on him. That one, that one, because Marchand doesn't touch the puck. Yeah It's like it's either 4d chess like Nikita Kucherov style, I mean just fake the move and the puck just Glides in I don't know if it was but it wasn't like that wasn't like that for a second I have to squint really really hard to try to convince myself that He was doing a Kucherov there, but he wasn. I don't think he was doing a coochie off there. I think that's that that's one that he's got to have his pad together on. So what do you do for game four? Boy you know you're gonna hear a lot in the

next you know 48 hours about you know his bounce back ability and his record after poor performances etc. If they do go Skinner it's got to be the shortest leash. Yeah. like now is is past the point of let's make sure the goalie feels good yeah for the long runway we're hoping to have in front of us you do have Pickard in your back pocket for a game five reset if they lose I mean you think you think for one second that if the Edmonton Olders go down three to one that this thing they have a chance to reset. Yeah. You gotta reme- listen you're the guy who just extolled the

virtues of the mental strength that comes from trying to injure your opponents. No! No! No! Wait, wait, wait. It's not the mental- I am not being metaphorical here whatsoever. This is like you know what one of the reasons why I love boxing is because there's no metaphors. Everything you say you want to do is really what you want to do and you go and you try to do it. There's nothing like poetic or you know like flowery about what the oil is trying to do. This is no message. They're moving to make them want to hurt people.

Yes! Let's not pretend this is anything other than what it was. We know we're out of it, so we're gonna try to hurt you so you're not as good on Thursday. I really think it's that simple. Let me get metaphorical for a second though. They did come back from 3-0 last year. 3-1 is not insurmountable in their minds.

It's the way the hockey player's minds work. So if you're asking me if there's a chance for a reset into game five, if you go down 3-1 in game four, I do think there's a chance for a reset in the game five if you go down 3-1 in game four I do think there's a chance for a reset There's a chance for a reset you win game five bring it back here now all of a sudden the Panthers are a little bit Worried because you know what despite all of their greatness as a team they still can't close out shit We saw that in care the Carolina series in the Toronto series Game four is a must-win for Edmonton is our poll right now

Game four is a must-win for Edmonton is our poll right now. How's that going? I don't know. Let's see. Which one should I vote for? No or yes? You should vote for yes. They're cooked down 3-1. Okay, so early polling has yes. Down 3-1. 83% of people say that they gotta win game four. And Randy Workman points out, as you just did, they were down 3-1 last season as well. They'll believe. They'll believe they'll have belief Now here's the question. Okay, they have to a man

basically like Written off last night as not being anything that's gonna have a deleterious effect going forward in the series They have to but do you believe that though? do you believe last night was a moment in which the Panthers put their foot down and Do you believe that though? Do you believe that last night was a moment in which the Panthers put their foot down and now they're in their heads and now they're under their skin and now there's a lot more problems than you had coming out of game two? No, I don't. I think that Edmonton's fine parking that one. Now it might just be they're saying all the right things, but the idea, who was it? I think it was Darnell Nurse, you know, 6-1 or 2-1, it's still a loss, it doesn't matter by how much. Like, you have to, like, as a player, you have to think that way. You have to have that kind of mentality. That it doesn't matter if we got blown out or we lost in double overtime, it's still just a loss.

And we move on. Now, I don't, I believe them a lot, I believe comments like that much more after they went through what they went through last year. Like, if this were like a wide-eyed team that's never been there before and you start to hear comments like that it's like alright so here's the actor out of central casting who's been handed the script and this is what you're supposed to say. We are not bothered by the things that they did it's just another game for us. We have two days we'll reset. Yeah but it's it's not like there's a there's a there's a genuineness about it because they have been there before

Do you know what I realized last night that I had to realize it for so I knew that they didn't like the chirping And I knew they didn't like the agitation after the whistle and I know they don't like when Sam Bennett falls on goalies Which he does a lot, but I didn't realize how much the embellishment pissed them off That was a big thing last night. Lundell on the same play dove twice. There's a lot of little flapping going on the Panthers do, but they're really good at it. And again, we've talked about this before on this very show. I don't have a problem with diving in particular as a tactic because I think it takes a certain skill to pull it off and do it

well. And I think the Panthers are really practiced at it. And the way that that Evander Kane was talking last night, I think he was specifically talking about the idea that they're getting a lot of benefit of the doubt that that other teams don't get. I think he was referring to one thing specifically and I have a lot of problem with it as well as being like a really and you know me I'm not I'm not someone that that jumps all over official. Look at that. Look at Lindell.

There's like look at that and then watch this. Wallman. Oh at that. Look at Lundell. And then watch this. Oh my god, a superman punch. With the left jab. But I think what pissed off Kane more than anything else, and I think he's got a real poignant, that cross check on Forsling? Yes! That is such a dive.

That's what I'm saying. Again, I'll keep coming back and saying, these big strong hockey players. It's not these big straw. Again, I'll keep coming back to these big strong hockey players. It was it was it was Lundell twice. It was forest link draw penalty. And then the other one that drew a penalty was Bob flopping completely backwards on the I'm surprised he didn't get called on embellishment because the way that he the way that he went back and did like the what do you want to the nasty plunge?

Yeah, he did like the nest he plunged after getting Like skate, you know, I thought it was gonna be like goalie interference and dive Temples but like he he I'll give Bob credit for this Like he has matured as a goalie because back in the day when he used to flop Then it would be like a like a yard sale with his equipment going along with it But he's learned not to do that because you that's they figure you're dying well because they just don't want it i think it's just they just don't want to be embarrassed yeah just don't embarrass us but don't make it don't make it look like you've just fallen from 14 stories just think about how hard it is to play against the panthers they chirp you

they punch you they they they stick work you they they they they hit ya after the whistle, and then on top of everything, when you try to go after him, they're doing the Eddie Guerrero throws a chair to his opponent and he lies down. I was just gonna say, they've mastered the heel persona. Yeah. They've mastered, oh here comes my opponent's offense, I'm just gonna roll out of the ring. Yeah. And it's gonna get to nine, I'm gonna roll back in I'm gonna

roll back out again it's it's a masterpiece it's a masterpiece again like it was a masterpiece I said it before the series there's no wrong answer for me in this series if the Oilers win Connor gets a cup that's all I want to see at the end of his career he's gonna be mentioned in the same breath as Wayne Gretzky I don't want to have a conversation about him not having a ring and and the Oilers fans deserve a cup too with the amount of support they've going to be mentioned in the same breath as Wayne Gretzky, I don't want to have a conversation about him not having a ring. And the Oilers fans deserve a cup too with the amount of support they've given this team. If the Panthers win, we are seeing what might be a perfect playoff organism constructed

from disparate parts coming together to become the most annoying, agitating bunch of SOBs we've seen, seen, seen maybe since the 1970s in this league and they just do it so well that you gotta tip your hat. You gotta respect it. You see there is part of me that initially wants to compare them to that, you mentioned the 70s, that Flyers team. Yeah. But they're not, they're not that. They're not that. The closest thing that That they are even though the Islanders didn't have that like flop around and draw penalties The closest thing they might be is that dynasty Islanders squad, but even then they're not that no because there's no There's they're not as annoying Yeah

To play against the reason the Islanders were annoying to play against is they let you choose what way you want to play Then they beat you at it right because their players were better stronger tougher like All of it they were all of it to me that was like that might be the best team I've ever seen in my life. That's that's what the that's what this Panthers team is closest to but again I can't draw a direct comparison to any other team in the history of hockey. That had that element of being really annoyed at them. That it drives you to distractions. You completely take yourself out of the game knowing that that is part of the pre-scout. You know it's

coming. You know they're going to do this. Prepare yourself for it. Be ready to react appropriately when it happens. And here's the other thing that I'm stunned at. Corey Perry now knows what it's like to play against Corey Perry. It's taken until 2025. But I'm watching this game last night. I'm like, I'm watching Corey Perry. I'm like, he just realized what playing against him is like. It's the Spiderman. He hates it. It's the Spiderman.

He's pointing at the Panthers and they're all pointing back at him. No, you're right. It's him. You're completely right. It's him. And again, like what Sam Bennett does around the net is what Corey Perry has done around the net for the entirety of his career. I mean, it is very much akin to that. It's very interesting

It must be real through the looking glass moment for our boy Corey Perry really hates look at the mirror That's what you see it as a whole team full of my berries I blaze the trail for these bastards I wonder how many guys at their combine said that I was their favorite player now I got now I got a frickin play against them Combine said that I was their favorite player now. I got now. I got a frickin play against them By the way Sam Bennett's favorite player go as a younger player you remember it was Doug Gilmore. Oh Yeah, I can see that he's a Toronto guy. I played in gth. Yeah, so wasn't yeah But the thing about the Panthers that makes them special and it might be the same thing as those oil those Islanders teams

Which I admittedly was a little too young to have seen myself. And if they're not the Devils, I know, I know, I know. Is that, the argument against the Panthers is like, do they have to play this way? Do they have to be underhanded and nefarious and flop and do all the things that they do? And the scary part is the answer is no. Because guess what?

They put 11 goals in the board in the last two games against the Oilers. Defensively, they were giving up a goal and a half at 5 on 5 over their last five home games, and only gave up one last night. Like, they're amazing when they're not doing that stuff. That's what makes them so hard to beat. But I think they do need all that stuff. Sure, no, I'm not saying- They need that, like, that's their confidence.

Right. Like, I'm not gonna use- That's their swagger. Oh, you used that word. I'll use it. It's like- Dude, they have a- For Hagees, the name is Swaggy for god's sake.

No, I know, I know, I get it, I get it, I get it. It's just that... If they don't have that- Like, let me- let me- Let me bring up a couple examples. Where have you seen Nate Schmidt play like this? Never. Where have you seen Dmitri Kulakov play like this?

Right. But they play like this because they're even Nico Mikala. Yeah. Okay. Like in his other stops, Blues Rangers, he didn't play like this. But there's that like group identity of we're all gonna be really annoying and sometimes douchey and Really hard to play against and dirty and we're gonna wear it Proudly look at Sam Bennett. I'm writing about him for tomorrow. Okay, they make the trade with Calgary. It's not worked out there

He's playing like the year before he gets traded. He's playing 12 minutes a night He's playing less ice time than Milan Lucic on the flames at that point. Okay. Yeah, they come to Florida Reignites his offensive game playing with Jonathan Huberto. We got it like where he that's like a 28 goal season It's like a career high. Yeah, and then what happens? Then they trade Huberto for Matthew Kachuk And then what happens? Then they trade Hubert over Matthew Kachuk. They put Matthew Kachuk and Bennett together. And now all of a sudden, it's like he got hit with gamma rays,

where not only is he like a great offensive player, but now he's become this monster next to Kachuk, who has taught him the ways of Kachukism. The Tao of Kachuk has now been bestowed upon Bennett, where while in the past he's been hard to play against now He's Sam Bennett now. He's the guy that you see in these two playoff runs. You know, I always thought in Florida that

athlete actually Anthony duclair Did a lot for that line is because the Claire was the one this is sort of a side here Yeah the Claire was a guy with the speed that would do all the zone entries and push the defense back and make all this ice for Hubertou and Bennett. Specifically Hubertou. And next thing you know it's 115 points because he's got all this room to maneuver with. And he gets to Calgary and he's like, I don't have an Anthony DeClair here with me. But he was, you're right about Bennett and Calgary, he was struggling there.

And it wasn't working and needed to get out and he got out and he got to a place where And you've talked a lot about Zito. He got to a place where the manager said We want 23 guys like this Yeah, that are just nasty and you see their confidence growing with it like every single shift like they all play that way. And the ice time is balanced and the production is balanced. Like all three lines pretty much have identical points for this team. It's remarkable.

And the fourth line is just misery. Yeah, to play against, especially when Graves is healthy. Just misery. So, to go back to my point, yeah They they are Matthew Kachuck like Matthew Kachuck is an elite Lee skilled player like Matthew Kachuck to be a great offensive player if he didn't do all of the other things that Matthew Kachuck does but he's only a Superstar he's only an MVP quality player. Yeah by doing all of the things that we've come to know with Matthew Kachuck. I think it's the same way with Florida.

He needs that. Their skill level's off the charts. They're a really skilled team. But they're not doing this unless they do the other nefarious stuff, so I will agree with you. I wasn't trying to say that they could stop doing it and be as good. I know the two things are part and parcel. I'm just saying that when you have those two the two things are part and parcel. I'm just saying that when you have those two halves together, they become an impossible team to play because they can beat you with the nefarious stuff, but then also beat you on the scoreboard and also prevent you from scoring. It's insane. One other thing that I think is particularly salient to bring up here. You know, the Oilers were out there trying to do

a lot of non-Oilers. We don't think of the Oilers as being like a team that's out there to hurt the other squad. But they were, and that happens. I got no problem with it. What does Mark Messier, what does Chris Pronger, yeah, Gordie Howe, what do they all have in common? Elbows. Elbows and sticks and nasty dirt suspensions, all of it. Like this is not

new. No. This all gets rewarded. I know when everybody retires, they want to sort of, you know, rough-round out the edges on their career, pretend they didn't do things that they did when they played. I don't know if Prager's ever done that. No, I- Hey, Prager wears it well. I do- you know, I do respect that about Prager. I really, really do.

He kind of does it with like a chuckle. Um... Remember when I stepped on that guy but i was an accident right now i believe i believe i'm part of the for a while ago the stop the elephant after that incident if you look at this is really dangerous

uh... anyway uh... anything more anymore but finish your thought that although i don't know what is that mean for the stuff or less team no all i'm saying is Let's not pretend that this isn't this isn't part and parcel of what makes someone successful right in doing things that you know Doing things in a series like this that one day you know when you retire You're gonna have to apologize for in polite society, right dad that was you Yeah, what you have to understand is yeah, you know I'm saying it's like like when when it well You know the assassin has to retire at some point. He's got red in his ledger

He's got it. He's got a deal with all the all the fatalities. So alright, let's talk about our sweet voice from Edmonton for a second What's the path back? Like how do how if they are able to win game four? I might need to be fitted for a second. What's the path back? Like how do, how, if they are able to win game four, I might need to be fitted for a neck brace because of the whiplash I will suffer momentum-wise, because at this point I find that to be kind of hard to imagine what that looks like for them to win. What is the path back? If they win game four, it looks like what? If they win game four it looks like what if they win game four first of all they have to be on the power play to me maybe a lot maybe a lot maybe a lot

but really I mean the Panthers played pretty well too on the power of the kill they really they really off no sick they really did yeah you know maybe that maybe the path back is this thing has to stay five on five like I don't expect the others to run around. Yeah. At all. Right. I think that was their one day to run around and they're done. It's weird the way everything kind of changes based on the first goal. I say it every playoffs but maybe it's just that much more profound. They can't chase the game. No. They can't chase it and listen they got to get a save from whomever the goaltender is. It can be, they could dress Stuart Skinner. I think

it's a short leash if they do. They can throw Calvin Pickard in there. It's been done before. Like, let's not forget one thing. Stuart Skinner didn't win the crease back. he wanted he was giving it back because the other guy couldn't play because he couldn't play yeah so it could be one of those two I don't know they may get you know Grant Führer well that will surprise grant fear back to play for Edmonton here I'm gonna say honestly like if honestly if they don't get saves yeah doesn't matter what they do like you're watching this game and I'm saying to myself,

this has gotta be endlessly frustrating for Conor McDavid no matter what he does, it's all being undone. And you notice there was no talk for the first time pretty much all playoffs long about how we pride ourselves in defending. There was none of that talk last night. You were on that last night. We were talking last night on Fresh Row

and you were like, we will not hear McDavid talk about So we can't play defense I mean 11 goals into you now for all those people that a don't like Stuart Skinner and B are skeptical about You know the long-term dedication of the Oilers and playing defense that was a protein shake for them the That was a protein shake wiping the upper lip So I I think the key for me for game four is the third goal. Not the first goal, not the second goal, but the third goal. The third goal could be 3-0 Edmonton. The third goal could be 2-1 Edmonton and we've responded to a Florida goal either to tie the game or because Florida scored first. It could be 2-1 Florida in which case you might be in a little bit of trouble first It could be 2-1 Florida in which case you might be a little bit of trouble

It could be 3-0 Florida in which case you're in a lot about a lot of trouble The third goal in the game is gonna be my canary in a coal mine Depending on what who is up if it's Edmonton pretty good shape It's Florida not so much the third goal to me will determine who wins game four How do you like that not first goal wins make sense third goal wins? It's kind of like how they say the third game is the most important game in a series Hopefully not for Edmonton cuz whoop a poof. Oh, that was bad That was a tough look man. That was that was a tough look. Okay a couple of other things

I want to I want to get to I want to get to Commissioner Gary Bettman's comments. My friend. Yeah, you want to fire that picture up there, Zach? Do we have that? I don't know if you had the picture up. Yeah, the video that I was speaking about yesterday on the show of when I was doing a live shot for ESPN and Gary Bettman came behind me.

And I called it a bear hug. I think in hindsight now having seen the footage it's it's a strong shoulder jostle like I like I like it it's a shoulder jostle. I think that's as close to a bear hug as you can get. He's got one hand on my shoulder and another hand on my neck it looks vaguely Vulcan neck pinch a little bit. I think he might be ready for a slew foot here actually. In which case he would not receive a fine based on how players handle such things. But yeah my new friend Gary Bettman. I'm glad I'm glad. Well shout out to Arto O'Callaghan for finding the footage of me and Gary's interaction. Arto you're the man. Now yesterday on the TNT panel Paul Bissonnette

brought up the state tax issue. Oh yeah. Let's just play the gary batman response to it because as you can hear me say nothing that the commissioner says is wrong right there's just one tiny the little thing here that i think it it needed one more step but here the commissioner last night any plans maybe in the future to implement a balance as far as the no state tax?

No, you know, when you start... I'm just asking. It's a ridiculous issue. When the Florida teams weren't good, which was for about 17 years, okay, nobody said anything about it. And you know, for those of you who played, okay, were you sitting there with the tax table? No, you wanted to go to a good organization in a place where you wanted to live, where you wanted to raise your kids and send them to school, you wanted to play in a first-class

arena with a first-class training facility with an owner, an organization, a GM, and a coach that you were comfortable with, and you wanted to have good teammates so you'd have a shot at winning. That's what motivates it. Could it be a little bit of a factor if everything else were equal? I suppose. But that's not it. And by the way, state taxes high in Los Angeles, high in New York.

What are we going to do? Subsidize those teams? All right. Okay. So everything that he said there is 100% correct. But if you look at it a certain way, this is the sort of step that I want this conversation to take. Kenobi won Kenobi from a certain point of view. Everything is right. Everything he said is correct. And you brought up the point about Seattle. Yeah. Okay, so listen, no no state tax there but it's not as if there's a clamoring for free agents to go to Seattle yet, but perhaps one day. But he's right. You want to go and play for a competitive team, you want a good organization, you want an organization that has things like practice

facilities like this, where we are right now at the Baptist Health rank. Yeah. You want to have, you know, well- funded, taken care of, all these things. You want all of that primarily. But my point with the state tax thing is. Once you have that, then like in video games, you get to a certain level and you unlock a prize. That's the prize. Then you get that bonus of being able to say

look we're a thoroughly perfect the Florida like you got to hand it to the Florida Panthers you do which we could all remember the dog days of the Florida Panthers like real awful days to put it to put a fine point on what Merrick's saying the Florida Panthers before this run of success had a season in which anyone with a valid Florida driver's license could get a ticket to the game. Not buy one, get one free. Anyone with a driver's license in Florida could say, can I have a ticket to see the Panthers?

And the Panthers would say, here's your ticket. That's how dire it was. Yeah. Have you played? Do you want to be on the power play? Do you want to try it out? It was bad. You really do have to give full props to the Florida Panthers for doing it. Now that they're at this level where it is a marquee destination, we've talked a lot about what the weather does for an athlete's body, etc. Now they're at that level where all of a sudden they're unlocking this other gift yeah that has nothing to do with hockey but everything to do with hockey and that is the no state tax issue so

nothing that the Commissioner said was wrong but there's just one other thing when you get to this level you unlock something and that is oh and also that eight million you're sticking in your jeans you're gonna pay your agent you're gonna pay your escrow and you're gonna pay when you go all travel all around but basically you're taking that money and you're sticking it in your jeans do you want to win here it is make my mistake about it is an advantage I do have but you're again your franchise has to rise to a certain level of proficiently proficiency and professional and I know Panthers are there I don't disagree with the chicken-or-the-egg argument of like the Financial advantages the tax advantages of being able to attract talent and more importantly retain talent as we might see what Sam Bennett

this this offseason Leads one to have a successful franchise in perpetuity. Now there are other factors at play. People pointed to Tampa Bay Lightning a lot. They ended up with Steven Samco's Victor Hedman, Braden Point, Nikita Kucherov and a slew of others. Andrei Vasilevsky going to Hall of Fame. They did pretty well. That's not because of taxes, OK? That's because they sucked ass for a while and got two really high draft picks and then drafted extremely well.

And developed. Syracuse has been exemplary. Precisely. So there's other factors of play. Now, I come back to the same thing when I went with some of these teams, which is that the tax thing is definitely a benefit it helps them keep their teams together and attracts talent ultimately though like you said it's the success of the franchise the

quality of the franchise the facilities and most importantly the market yeah beaches or in no hang on I thought I thought I thought that what the commissioner said there the one one of the points about about kids and school yes by the time you're a plea word timer you're a place in your career to make a decision on where you want to go and it is your choice yeah generally you're of the age where you're either getting married already married and starting your family right so that is a me obviously obviously that's that's a major one two two things I don't think it's just about hey I want to hang at the beach with the Right. So that is a, obviously, that's a major one. Two things.

I don't think it's just about, hey, I want to hang at the beach with the boys. One of the things people always bring up about non-traditional markets and finances is this idea that if you play in Raleigh, you can't get an endorsement deal like you can in Toronto. And I don't know where this comes from but in Toronto But in every city in the NHL if you're a professional athlete of some renown Someone will pay you to put your face on a thing everywhere. You look inside the arena in Raleigh Yeah, it's Sebastian Ah Ho's fetched the cough and they're all doing ads for Invisalign

Okay, like which is an actual company. You've probably heard of it's not Chico's bail bonds on the side of a bus. It's a real company So like I don't the endorsement thing. Yeah, you could probably make more money playing in Canada But you still get some side hustle in these little side house. Yeah for sure. The other thing is You know nice bad news bears pull by the way. Thank you. The other thing is this, and I don't know if we talked about this or not, but don't you think in the macro, like this is just an evening in the playing field, the original Six had all these benefits for so many years in being able to attract talent to wear the crest and be in the city and be part of the fabric of the history of these teams, and now we're simply just leveling the playing field

by giving these newer franchises their own advantage. Which leads me to a question, please. I mean, you are answering a question with a question. I am answering a question with a question. There is a sort of element of leveling playing fields for some markets. I don't think that it's lost on a lot of big market teams that they'll look at what the Florida Panthers

have put together and have said, you've cashed a lot of revenue sharing checks that we've written. And it's true. You know what? But here's the other thing. I don't even know how you'd even begin to propose this or what the mechanism would be To administer this I know full well. I'm just talking shit from the back seat on this one

But if you win the Stanley Cup should that take you out of the revenue sharing pool? It probably should for at least a year. I've had Of a windfall. I mean hell I mean part of, part of me thinks, like you look at Dallas, three straight trips to the conference final. Do you know how much that filled their coffers? Oh yeah. How much neon green shit those people bought at those games? You know, every year they go to the playoffs.

A lot of it. Yeah. A lot of it. No, I understand your point, but to me it's more like an inspiring Horatio Alder story. You've given them the welfare over the years They pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and now they have a fancy practice facility and three trips to the Stanley Cup final You should be proud of that. You helped them to their feet

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the panther crispy yes contest available the canadian residents only uh oh i know sorry greg sorry pal i'll try to hook you one up on the side and we'll end on June 6th at 1159 so the contest is actually over so now it's time to select at some point someone who's going to get the ninja crispy what is in the crispy inbox what do you got Jeff and Greg how did you guys meet from Big Willy Styles on Twitter? Wow, Big Willy Styles is a mainstay in the chat, by the way. Huge on the chat. How did you and I meet is the the Puck Daddy blog was 2007. I had just left doing Toronto radio to go to CBC to Hockenay in Canada and the Hockenay

in Canada radio show on Sirius. And Elliot Friedman said- Who? Yeah, who? That guy? Said, hey, Greg Wyshynski said nice things about you about your Gary Bettman interview. Oh, and it was about one question. Do you remember this? No, I don't at all. It was one question that I

asked the commissioner specifically, that you liked and wrote a paragraph about. And it was this is around the Atlanta thrashers. Okay, I said, how do you determine when a market is done? Oh, yeah. And he just saidly, when no one wants to own it. Right. That's it. And as we all know, thrashers essentially are four or five owners, and they just

throw their keys on the table. And that was that. And then, oh, I was razor blade sharp. And then I remember the first time I, do you remember the first time I had you on the old Sirius show? No. It was the opening of the Prudential Center. Oh for Ottawa and the Devils. You were doing the preview

of the ring. You wanted someone to go on and talk about how the devils had logos on the top of the urinals. Yes. Which was a very big deal. Yes, which was huge at that time. But and that dovetailed into a conversation, a multi show conversation about Chico Eats. That's right. Chico Rush going from vendor to vendor at the Prudential Center eating the food. I miss that feature. I miss that too. It was one of my favorite features in the history of hockey broadcasting. One of the best ever. Willie, to answer your other part of the question that I think is probably parenthetical, we first started podcasting when I was trying

to get your old job at Hockey Night in Canada Radio. I thought Rob Pizzo was. No, no, no, no, no, no. You left and they were talking to me and then you and I, I called you for advice on what to do and whether it was a good gig and then we got to talking and then I think you were probably, I think you were the one who said, why don't we just do something together?

I remember that conversation as driving north on Dufferin, just north of St. Claire, having that conversation and pulling over and having the, your chocolates in my peanut butter moment. Like, why don't we just do this together? And I'm like, that's a great idea. How do we do it? And you're like, I don't know. I think there's something called internet radio we can do. That's right.

And it turned into... Lo and behold, a trailblazing podcast. Was it the first hockey podcast, puck podcast, was before us? We were the second, probably. The second hockey podcast? We might have been the second hockey podcast. We're number two. It's very Canadian of us.

We're definitely number two. We're frequently number two. That goes back to 2011, but initially it was 2007. That's our mutual love of wrestling, all of it. You know what I'm listening to, by the way, right now, is on the treadmill with it this morning? What's that? The Rick Rubin interview with Paul Heyman.

Oh, that's gotta be great. Oh my god, and it's three hours too. I've still got a couple runs still left in me to finish this podcast off. Three hours between Rick Rubin and that's like three questions? Yeah, pretty much. The questions are long. Not as long as Dan Carlin, who I still maintain is the best podcaster ever, but they're pretty long.

It's a, it's an interesting one. So anyway, so that's, that's the, that's the origins. Um, a couple of other things here. Well, who's on the ice by the, there was a kid before we started. Here who's on the ice by there there was a kid before we started she I want to say was probably Maybe a 2011 okay, and she was dressed in Chicago mission gear doing a private behind us all right here at this At this rank you sign her she looked good good hands

She looked good. I'm get at my scout voice now I mean it shows promise but lacks focus if you are the first person to ever mention Connor McDavid I know I know Jeff Jackson was an agent and I would go drive to obscure arenas across the greater Toronto area they go see yeah go see Connor McDavid so I'm gonna need Zach's help on this one cuz I didn't I didn't see what he's talking about. But Zach, the Jason Robertson thing is starting to pick up some steam now. Yeah, Elliot had reported that apparently, effectively, the Stars could look to trade Jason Robertson here if they are trying to resign Grandland and in combination of that cannot find a way to move off of Dumba and or Labushkin.

Okay. Yeah. And this is, this is not wanting to pay Robertson. Part of it is at least, right? I think that he's due a mage per se. At the end of next season, he has, he's a restricted free agent with arbitration rights and with the numbers that he'll able that he'll be able to bring To arbitration. Yeah, he will crush the Dallas and he was a real pain in the tuchus to try to sign on his current

first Negotiation I don't want to say it was Like roller skating down a gravel road, but it was tricky It's tricky negotiation but they got but they got listen they got there and in Jason Robertson's defense like almost instantly it turned into one of the biggest bargain contracts in the NHL now when you look at his production tactically I mean you saw you re-sign Grandlin which obviously is probably doing ranting him a solid like that's your new your new shiny new toy. You want to make him out. Oh, it's all fancy

I expect them to hire you see a hocus the kitchen a Ranger finish you want to keep the Coffee together. Yeah, but like that is a lot of goals leaving leaving the wing if you're the stars Do you think that they think they're handing the whole thing over here to rantin and though? Sure, like this is gonna be like ranting in Wyatt Johnston eventually Maverick Bork, Rupe Hins like yeah this is this is this is the team still think they probably need one more defenseman but and don't forget to you one other mitigating factor here as well yeah Thomas Harley is do a whopper yeah that's the other part of it too he's gonna have to use but you understand from like the

the layman's perspective yeah that may not understand the inner workings of why they would want to do it, how absolutely insane it is that the Dallas Stars would trade Jason Robertson? It does look, but again, it's only insane if the return is bad. I understand the idea, how can you look at that production, even though at beginning of the beginning of the season this year like full stop he was bad yeah like there was no there there and he was kind of a pedestrian when he came about outside of the last couple games in that in the conference final where he was like the only guy scoring yes yeah but I mean that's that's the whole Dallas Stars team I just I just don't think that it's beyond, I know when

I first put it out in the blog a couple of weeks ago, there was a lot of like, yeah, Merrick's eating space cake, like this is ridiculous, but I'm telling you, trust me, there is some there there. I wonder about Ottawa because I look at their situation again like I'm throwing darts you're trying to figure this out I wonder about Ottawa because and we'll see what the decision is with Clojureau but they're done signing their forwards yeah like that forward group is is done so I wonder about Robertson there and it's been stated on the record that they're not trading Brady Kachak or Batherson they said too and

Batherson yeah owner very emphatically yeah very emphatically and Laura and on a golf course being like where is Bruce Garriott where is that man who's making up terrible things and making us call the the child Batherson to let him know that he's okay. Child Batherson the other the other team why I think is gonna take like major swings This summer is Anaheim. Yeah Anaheim Anaheim is gonna be all over guys. Yeah this summer You don't make that go change about making some pretty and pretty big leaps on your roster Huge coaching change and I think Pat for beak knows that okay It's was it three and a half years now with him. It with him it's it's time to take that

when you save the return do you see Robertson leaving Dallas in a player for player transaction or a player for assets transaction I think it's like the thing that I've wondered about is if you're Dallas and you went to Carolina and said we'll give you Jason Robertson we want our two firsts back. First of all what an interesting wrinkle to all of this that would be but no I think they're looking to get some draft capital back. We mistakenly gave you Logan Stankov in a trade and you're wondering if we could make good on that by giving you Jason Roberts. That's like the the old story that's out there that the Pittsburgh Penguins, when they made the deal with Montreal, they thought they were getting Steve shot and it turned out

that it was Rod shot. And the manager had to play it off like, oh yeah, that was the deal we had the whole time to not embarrass ourselves. had to play it off like oh yeah that's that that was that was a deal we had the whole time. Remember that anecdote when Buffalo trades for the wrong Patterson this summer. Oh your blue line's looking better Kevin. What? What? Huh? Yarmou Yarmou what did we just do? Oh boy. What else do we need to go over on the program 3? Is there anything on your mind? We're kind of hitting our limit here. I think, I don't know if there was anything else that we wanted to hit on. I think we hit on everything. We did the Betman thing.

We did the Robertson thing. We talked about Jake Wallman, you know, being 10K light. I think that's about it, right? How much is Sam Bennett gonna get every every game it goes up? Well, that really depends on where he wants to play Because they're gonna give him a big number here to try to retain him Someone else is gonna give him a bigger number and he's gonna have to figure out what he wants to do And I tend again my if my guesstimation you think you think that Bennett stays I think my Shannon our Shan goes and Eklad goes and I glad yeah

Because I think Marsh and just gonna take the biggest money off or that's not gonna be here You know who looks awesome every single game now. I guess not just like oh, he's in a new environment brother fresh air Seth Jones yeah Exactly him and Mikal are real good. I mean they're there they are maybe the best defensive tandem in this series. It's it's real good. Okay let's see what Zach has come up for with this one. The sheet is powered by FanDuel home of the same game Parlay make every moment more on FanDuel. FanDuel proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them I'm guessing Zach you

might be thinking Con Smythe trophy. That's correct I was looking at Con Smythe today and we had a massive swing in what the leaderboard is over on FanDuel. I don't know if you guys had taken a look at this but Sam Bennett now at the top plus 125 McDavidDavid plus 240. And the most notable difference for me was Brad Marshand who jumped to third at plus 500. He was in the plus 2400 range yesterday. He was outside of like the top six. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a, what a, what a bizarre year for Brad Marshand. Right. At the beginning of the season, you said, yeah, you're going to be traded from the Boston Bruins before they played the games and sunk the joint out this year.

And then this one says, oh, and by the way, you're going to be a third for the Con Smythe by game four of the Stanley Cup final, which by the way, you'll also be in. And the injury. And also the Four Nations, by the way. Like he slipped down that lineup at the Four Nations and there was like, is this guy even gonna make the Olympics conversations too? Like that was just even a little

speed bump along the way. That is true. Like really quickly he went from like, I'm playing with Cindy Crosby and Patrice Bergeron in the World Cup for Team Canada. Yeah. To like, yeah man, he's sliding down the roster here at the four nations. I still think he has a lane to the Consmite.

I still think he has a lane. He'll need one more game winner, probably. What a wild end to this season if it ends up being Brad Marchand as your Consmite trophy winner. And what a career arc. Yeah but but the problem is is that like Bennett has what four more goals than dry sidle right now like it it's gonna be hard to overlook the goals but there is a line there's a narrative lane for March and and maybe get it I don't know but it's hard to overlook the goals there's a narrative lane for Marshand to maybe get it. I don't know. But it's hard to overlook the goals. There's a lot of goals.

That's a lot of goals. And he's not just doing it on the road. No. He's doing it at home too. Yeah, you said he wouldn't score last night. Don't listen to me. He scored like on the most emphatic Kahn Smythe winning play that we could ever see.

He's scoring on the road, he's scoring at home, and I wouldn't put it past him to find a third place to score. That's how good Sam Bennett is. We're gonna put game six in a stadium somewhere. All right, that's it for us here from the Panther's practice facility.

I think we're back here tomorrow. Pat, are we back here tomorrow? We are. All right. I like it. The friendly confines. We got ambient sound here, we got kids skating around tires. This is great.

Big beautiful American flag behind my head, signifying which is the American guy on the podcast. Well there's a Canadian one too, that your head is blanking by the way. I think if you move your head we can actually. My head is so. Move your head, can we see the Canadian? No, the Canadian one is totally blanked off too.

My head is so large, and eating and drinking what I have over the last two months on this in these playoffs has not helped at all with that. I was not gonna say who was it popcorn row yesterday with one significant media member who is grabbing a bag of chips and proudly proclaimed, FAC guy playoffs continue. That was not him by the way. FAC guy playoffs continue Although I will say, when I got back to the hotel room at two o'clock in the morning last night,

did I have a small bag of Doritos? No. Yes, I did. Not a small bag? No, it was small. It was courtesy of the hotel-sized. Okay, so a small bag. So a small bag. Was I looking for an open McDonald's on the way home?

Yes, but I wasn't gonna deviate from my path from the lorraine to the hotel to go get McDonald's. What kind of town is this Fort Lauderdale? The sidewalks roll up at 2 30. What McDonald's town. What is this? Thanks for joining us here from the Panthers practice facility. We are back tomorrow at three o'clock. Do not forget morning cup of hockey tomorrow. I'll be in for Colby Cohen with Johnny Lazarus at 9 a.m eastern at our daily face-off youtube channel. Please subscribe. All right. 9 a.m. Eastern at our daily face-off YouTube channel. Please subscribe.

DFO Live at noon. And then we're back here, Me and Wish, for more of MBSW Week here in Sunrise in Fort Lauderdale. Let's go. Thanks, everybody. See you tomorrow. Bye. Bye. Every day this week, every day this month I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day to day

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