The Sheet with Jeff Marek - The Future of NHL No Trade Clauses & Carlsson Offer Sheet Fallout ft. Shayna Goldman

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

On today’s episode of The Sheet, Jeff Marek is joined by Shayna Goldman of The Athletic and the Too Many Men podcast. They break down the fallout from the Philadelphia Flyers matching Anaheim’s offer sheet for Leo Carlsson and what Daniel Briere’s statement says about the organization's direction. They also discuss where this leaves the Ducks moving forward, plus the growing speculation surrounding Shane Wright's future in Seattle. Is a trade becoming inevitable, which teams should be interested, and would the Kraken be making a mistake by moving on from the former fourth-overall pick?They also dive into the sweeping front office changes in Toronto, with Hayley Wickenheiser among those no longer with the Maple Leafs organization. Finally, we examine the future of no-trade clauses in the NHL, including whether rule changes are coming or if general managers need to be more selective when handing them out. Dylan Larkin's ongoing trade request and more from Tom Dundon's cup engraving fiasco wrap up the show. #TheSheet #NHL #NHLOffseason #Flyers #FlyersTalk #LetsGoDucks #AnaheimDucks #NHLFreeAgency #Hockey #NoTradeClauses #SeattleKraken SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Canadian Blood Services: https://www.blood.ca/Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Okay, wow, what a week it's been. What an off season it's been. And the stories continue to mount, add on to each other, just piling up stories. And there are still more to come. So this summer is anything but quiet. Lots to get to on today's program. As we're going to do a couple of different things here,

we're going to sort of both sort of look ahead and look backwards, propose a couple of different ideas about what we should do with a couple of issues. around the National Hockey League and also the Hall of Fame. But first, let's get to our topic list where we're going to be discussing on the program today. And who is going to be here to discuss it? Most notably, the great Shannon Goldman from the Chimony Man podcast. And you can read her at The Athletic. We'll be talking about the Danny Breyer offer sheet statement.

Yesterday, Leo Carlson's offer sheet met by the Anaheim Duck. So he remains a member of the quack. We'll be talking about the Ducks Caps situation, $18 million for their number one player. Shane Wright trade destinations where he may end up. I'm going to try to get to this Toronto Police stuff with the front office changes

and movements. We are going to talk about the future of NTCs with an Andy Strickland tweet being the jump-off point. Also, we should talk about the Dundit engravings. That story continues to burn. And also, Dylan Larkin, widening his no trade list by one. Dallas Stars, come on down.

In the meantime, let's get it right to her. You've heard her before, you've seen her before. She's one of our favorites around these parts. And after a really busy week during a really, really long life, I want to talk to Shana Goldman of the Too Many Men podcast and also you can read her at The Athletic. Shana, how are you today? Let's get your audio hot.

Strike two. How's the audio? Hold on. Oh, there you go. We got you. Wait, it works? Yeah, you just got it. What'd you do?

Oh, uh, I nudged the microphone. I have, it's like, it's such an intermittent thing and it's like the cord, the cord is good, the mic is good, but the spot it plugs in is not good. You know, there are things called stores, both bricks and mortar and online as well, where we can fix. Because you're on everywhere. Like, you're on all over the floor. You know, I always bust on you.

And I'm like at a rink at a sports bar and I see you on one of the various channels or catch you on different podcasts. I see you cheating on this show with what chaos all the time and got to bust you and send you know. You're on a lot. You could get like one of the mini, many outlets that you work for to foot the bill for one of these things. To make your audio stand great. It's new. Is it? It's new.

That's the thing. The old one didn't work. I got a new one. I think I dropped it once. and some things like shifted out of place, but I kind of like the gamble, right? Because if I'm going to do this stuff all the time, we got to mix it up, you don't know if you're going to get me at all.

And, you know, on what chaos I especially love it because, you know, they're silencing me as I join the show. It's even better. It's just, you know, why not? It's good. There's a good guys, too. Listen, we had a lot to get to today. And one story that we were going to park a lot of time with yesterday.

And then Pat for Beak, and well, I should say, not Pat for Be, but Henry and Susan Samueli. Max the offer sheet from Philadelphia yesterday. I do want to get to that. But the Carolina Hurricanes and specifically Tom Dundon and Tom Dundon's family and the engraving. Geez, where to begin here? I like you probably have talked about this ever since we saw it. I cannot find one person outside of some people with the Hurricanes organization.

who have pushed back but not too hard if you catch my drift, I can't find one person that will, I can't find one person that can defend this. Like there are very few things that are universal in hockey. Everybody's got, everyone's got to take in an angle. To a person,

I can't find one person that says, that's a good idea or maybe at, at, at, you know, at worst, eh, not that much of a big deal. Like universally, this has been panned. What do you think? It's like oops, all dundance to lead off the engravings. It's an odd choice.

Don't love it. I do think it's funny. Like, the things that everything does unite on, like, you know it's bad if everyone's agreeing here because they're like way more serious things that you'll just get hot takes for the sake of hot takes. But this one, like, it does feel a little bit tacky. It's unnecessary. It would be nicer to see the people that work behind the scenes if they're not his friend-facing. do the jobs in and out, the trainers, the ones that ensure, you know, these players are ready to go on a

nightly basis. When we talked about, you know, the Hurricanes run on the two-mainman podcast and Sarah Sivian has so much experience with the Keynes, she went into so much detail about how great their training staff is and how that was such a part, an important part of their run, because they were healthier, you know, on the surface, at least, than a lot of teams going into it and how much work those guys and all those people put in day in and day out. Like, if anyone should be getting that extra nag you would hope it's them versus a million Dundan children who are just there to exist. Like it's NEPO engravings.

Who would have thought we'd be here, but we are? The classic hockey dad stuff, right? Like that's, this is all the jokes is that my kids' hockey game last night. And like this was the topic of conversation. Honestly, every single person that I spoke to yesterday brought this up right away. And the, like, I sort of tried to give the whole thing a soft landing yesterday on the show and on social media by saying, like, look, it's, it's, it's not very tasteful. I think we all wish that he would have made a better decision, a different decision.

I'm sure, I have plenty of people of the NHL that feel that way. And I am 100% sure the Hall of Fame feels that way where this thing is, is housed. I tried to give it a soft landing by saying, if you're thinking about doing this, instead of putting your name, your wife's name, your five kids' names, just put the Dundon family. The message still would have been the same. and I think everybody would have been calm about it. I still wouldn't have loved it. And I still think a lot of people wouldn't have loved it.

But it wouldn't, like to your great word, it wouldn't have been as tacky as this is. And as it comes across right now. Like, let me start there. If he would have put the Dundon family, as opposed to naming the five kids and his wife, what would the reaction have been? It would have taken up way less space.

So we would have seen what they would have done with it, right? You know, I see. the argument of like this player played 30 something games and it's like okay well there are requirements for that and if teams push for it it's one thing if you're in the playoffs and you're a part of it it's another i'm not saying players should be excluded here but it's like i don't even think we need to sit there and go okay well what players would have got on instead i just look at it and i'm like yeah that's more space than then we could have seen what they would have done with it just it's just so not necessary like who's going to beat this i need to know who's the next i need an owner

with like eight children now just to see can we want to Can we get longer names? Can we get names with dashes? It's like that first middle name combo. Take the extra line of space up. Like, I don't know. It's not like engravings are forever anything. Sure, load up the children.

The Dundon family would have been a little weird but better. You know what the next step is. Grandchildren. Nises and nephews. Bring them all. Take off the player names. It's the family only. Corporate sponsorship.

Oh, God. You know it. You know it. Honestly, like again, like this just keeps getting pushed more and more and more. Everybody looks the other way on it. Nobody pushes back. Like, I was thinking about this. Could the NHL ask for a redo? I don't know the answer to this, but I do know that they can't just change the one Carolina area of that ring because the Carolina space is in the middle of the ring. So if they have to redo Carolina, it's got to be a brand new ring.

They got to redo everybody on that ring. And so then my follow-up thought to that was, you know what? That might not be a bad idea if also the Blackhawks with Brad Aldrich's name, X-Dow, was on that ring. Could have been a great place for a cleanup. Unfortunately, it's one ring above, as I found out today. So scratch that one. Because no one at the hall. I was on board.

I'm like, no, I know. I was like, hang on. You know what? We got this. Okay, now we can get all just his name off. So nobody at the Hall of Fame when a kid comes up and asks what the, who was scratched off here and why.

You don't have to go through that, that horrible story. But no. Like, I don't know. Like I have to think that somewhere there's some thinking in the NHL that, you know what? If it's going to take, if it means taking the entire ring off, redoing all the names, that's fine, we'll send the bill to Tom Dundon. I don't think they're going to do it.

I don't think they're going to do it either. I don't think so. They're not going to upset an owner. You can't do that. They need them for things, you know? They're going to have some other batch of ideas they throw out there and they need the board of governors to approve and the owners to be on board.

Like, there's so much. I just feel like they're going to say, yeah, we'll sweep that one under the rug. Dumb, moving on, and everyone will forget about it. And it's like, it's probably true. Maybe the cane's got to win again next year to correctly to. it.

That's in, if the Keynes do next year, win again next year, it'll be interesting to see if Dendom puts his kids on again for a second year in a row. Does he double down on? I did nothing wrong here. And to prove it to all of you, my wife and kids are going on one more time. The, one of the interesting things that sidebars to all of this, too, the NHL, and man, did they ever nail it this year with some of their Stanley Cup commercials? They were fantastic, right?

The Cup is in the building. Like, there were some great spots that the NHL did with the Stanley Cup. this year. You know what social media is like. I don't know how. I don't know how you're the NHL and you think about doing another Stanley Cup commercial. No, I think they said that way.

How are you going to get roasted for it when you've got essentially a billionaire's family on there for no reason? Although there is a part of me that really wants one of these kids to make it to the NHL and skate on an NHL team with his name already on the Stanley Cup that he hasn't won. just because I live for weird stuff as you do,

that would be a whole new level in hockey. That would be a whole new, I'll take that one all day long. But how about the idea of like you're the NHL and you want to do Stanley Cup commercials here? Does this just give like the cynical online community too much ammunition? And if so,

does it mute how you're promoting the Stanley Cup? Because I think it's going to go away eventually in the summer, but it's going to come back every time the cup, every time the cup is mentioned or is the, is the front and center on a feature from the league. Yeah, I don't think they're going to stop. And I don't think they should necessarily because some of the cup commercials are like the better commercials that they have.

And the Stanley Cup is the... They're great. It's the face of the franchise in a way, right? Like in a league that doesn't promote players very well. And they're doing a much better job of it, right? Guys like Badard, Celebrini, we're seeing the rising stars take over and become a lot more front facing.

But it's the trophy. That's the iconic name, the iconic thing. So I think they're still going to lean into it. I think they should. They can't let, you know, the Dundans hold them back, especially when they are worse names on there. Like you mentioned with the Blackhawks. Like, there are definitely worse names on that cup that I don't think they can let this stop them. And I honestly think there's going to be so many screw ups between now and April that it will not matter, right?

Like, this is going to be so back of mind for people that they're going to get roasted for so many other things on social. It's really not going to matter. Like, they'll promote like the Kchucks podcast or something and they're going to say dumb shit. And then that's going to go everywhere. And that's what's going to, you know, take some black and some general manager is going to do something. Like, we're going to be so over it by that point. And everyone's going to be yelling and scraby about something else that it's not going to matter. You know, one of the things, too, that we should note about the Carolina hurricanes here.

Like, trust me, I would have loved to seeing like Bobby Gorman's name on there. I think we're all on the same page. I would love to see Mike Sundheim's name on there as well. But first of all, Carolina does have, as we all know, a very small. staff. Again, I am not justifying putting the kids on or Tom Dunden's wife on. I am not. The only thing that I, that I, that I will say sort of in defense of Carolina here is when you look at the standard of which names and which positions make it on the Stanley Cup, the hurricanes are covered. Like they have like the same spots recognized in, on their area of the Stanley Cup. They just do happen to have a small staff.

Not that I think you fill it up with your kids. Again, Bobby Gorman, yes. Mike Sundheim, yes. The kids and the wife, no. Again, if you're going to do it, though, just say the Dundton family. Yeah. And be over it. I'm speaking of being over it.

We're over this topic for now. We'll move on to fun stuff, I suppose. I haven't talked to you since Offersheet Gate concluded yesterday. A day earlier. I don't know why they did it on a Thursday. Maybe they just wanted a long weekend. I don't know. I just thought we'd have frozen the Philadelphia Flyers budget for the full seven days

and take it right down to the minute before matching, but nonetheless, they matched. What's the cascade that you see here? And what are your thoughts on the Anaheim Ducks matching? Yeah, see, they had reason. They did it yesterday because they said, we don't give a shit about France, Morocco. We can do our media during that match and we don't care. Spain, Belgium's where it's at, and we don't want to bother during it. I respect that.

I fully do. Okay. What should have done during Sweden is to be disrespectful to Leo? There you go. If they made it, if they could have made it, that would have been funny.

But, all right. So a few things with this. I think first and foremost, it's that it shouldn't have come to this. I put a lot of this, the cap management on Pat Verbeek. I know Sama falls on ownership too, right? And this is how the ducks

have structured their contracts and that's part of the conversation. But for me, we haven't seen a ton of offer sheets in recent years. So I understand why John managers might have thought, hey, we don't need to rush this. But at the end of the day, you should always want to lock up your core players first and foremost and go into the offseason, knowing what your cap picture looks like with some of your most important players already signed

and figured out, right? Because the worst case scenario is you run out of money to sign the guys that matter the most because you've worked on the fringes so much. And it does feel like the ducks did that, right? Like the AJ Greer contract in a vacuum is not the worst thing in the world. But then you look at it and go, you didn't need to give them term. We didn't need to give them trade protections and give him that $4 million cap hit. 4.25, sorry, that's probably not going to age well after he shot 16% as valuable as he might be as that bottom six player. And he's very good within his role.

You know, you look at VL getting 2.5. It also doesn't look great. But so that 4.25 million is something you work on the fringes after you have your core locked up because every dollar and cent's going to matter for the core players and you can't have it that you don't have it for guys like Leo Carlson, four guys like Cutter Gotee who are pivotal parts of this rebuild and the retool. So I mean, I didn't like it. I don't like the idea of giving that kind of money to a fourth liner on a good day.

I don't like it at the beginning of a playoff window. I think people should have learned from the Trump Frederick of it all. I get it. It's not an eight-year deal. But when you run out of loose change because those guys have term and money locked up, it's a problem. And now we look at it and go, okay, so how are you going to afford Cuttero OTA? Whose ask might have gone up as it should, right? Because Redwood Tide lifts all boats here.

And it's tough. And I don't want to see Carlson get vilified for it. because he would be absolutely crazy not to sign that offer, especially when, you know, this situation dragged out as long as it has. That should have been step one for the ducks, do it months ago. And if not, early, early, early off season, so you're not in this position. The point that I've been making about it, similar to what you're saying here,

let me just echo this in one particular way. And that is the similarities between Steve Eiserman and Pat Verbeek. Well, there's a couple here, one. Like, as funny as I've had in a conversation with someone with a team the other day, that we're saying like, you know, it, those two guys became really, became old general managers really fast,

right? Like, we're once upon a time, it's like, okay, so Steve Eisenman, when he got the Tampa job, new, impressive,

new way of thinking, new GM, NHL history. Same thing for Pat, for B. And they got old really quick as everything around how you manage a team changed.

And there are new faces and voices and new ways to think and new people around the table. And those two guys are still, still stuck in doing things the old way. You might also considering whether it cap is at too, throw Jim Nill into this one as well. But we'll see what he can do with Robertson here.

The one thing about Pat for Beek and Steve Eisenman right now, A, both of these guys look like they are trapped in the past, doing things the old way. and the question that I have about both of them is, and Pat sort of hinted it maybe doing things differently yesterday. I don't know if that's legit or lip service. We'll see. But I look at them right now and I say,

I wonder if these two guys have it in them to change. People always say that they will, but then push comes to shove and they go back and rely on doing things the way they've always done them. Like, do you think that this will, like this experience, because make no mistake about it, managers everywhere are watching this, and they're all saying the same thing.

I don't want to be Pat for Beak right now. I don't want to be Pat for Beak telling my owner what just happened. I don't want to be Pat for Beak saying, we can get control back here on this player, but it's going to cost $39 million, and it won't happen until next July 2nd. I don't want to be that guy, and nobody else around the NHL does,

and nobody wants to be in Steve Eisermans, shoes here right now is everybody around him is getting better. His team is still not in the playoffs and they're being forced to trade Dylan Larkin and also they're being forced to trade someone who they think is a first line center and people are returning with second line offers for him. So do you think that Iserman and Verbeek have it in them to do things differently? Not really. I think Arsman less so.

just because I think he has more attachment to the franchise just for like, you know, the Illich is on the team. He brought that family of Stanley Cove. That matters. At the end of the day, that's going to matter. And I think that's going to give him a lot more leeway. And I think you could look at it. Already has.

Already has. Yeah. So I'm not sure that changes. I think with Verbeek, there should be a little bit more pressure to change because you just cost your owners, the signing bonus money, that they generally don't hand out, right? It's a lot. It's a ton. And it's one way, listen, the Flyers, I think, played this perfectly.

That win or lose in the end, you really did get one over on the ducks here. And the structure of the contract is such a huge part of it? So you have to ask yourself, like, is Pat Burbik the person now to navigate his way out of this salary cap buying that he created? And you could say, well, he got them here. He helped them turn the corner. And you would be right. But it's not like it's been a perfect approach to this point. and it's with multiple contracts now, right?

Because even if he moved past the AJ Greer of it all, we could talk about Pavl Minchikoff. And if you're choosing to extend him and rely on him, then you can't trade Olinzell-Wigger first because that's one strike in the leverage. Then to lose John Carlson, that's another strike in the leverage. Then Goudas and Trubor, and I get at their different role players, but to lose all of those players, everything fell into his lap before the offer sheet even happened.

So again, even if he wasn't priority number one, this offseason, and he shouldn't have been, he probably should have been like three, right? You still need to work a little more proactively to avoid rising costs and now a contract that's going to be much harder for him to live up to. And listen, I think we all were so excited about him when he came into the league and we saw the potential upside and that's still in him. Maybe they get that's, you know, maybe he becomes a $7 million player. And when you see the contracts of guys like Nemich, I think it helps like smooth it out even

more because that's another unproven player. At the end of the day, you have to ask, is he the person to navigate the situation when he keeps actively making it worse every step of the way this summer and you say no. So I think he has to prove himself a little bit more here and should be the one forced to change more than Iserman. When I think both of them, it's adapt or die. And when you start seeing other general managers come up the ranks and you see a Tolski. Also, you could look at New Jersey. And I think, you know, that's another team that the offer sheet gets matched.

But I think Sonnymeda has come in and just address so many different needs so quickly for the devils that you go, I'm interested to see what he's going to do. I'm interested in this approach. Maybe that's the line of thinking versus these hard-nosed GMs that do the same shit over and over again and nothing changes. In New Jersey, Sunday Mehta is doing two things at the same time. One, trying to move this team forward and get it better. And two, also at the same time. And we saw this with the Markstrom trade.

Undue mistakes. Yep. From the previous regime. Like he's doing two things at the exact same time. It's one of the difficult jobs here that any general manager has. I want to ask you, we've got a couple of minutes left for the year. I want to ask you about an Andy Strickland tweet that popped up yesterday. And I've talked about this in a couple of different places with a couple of different people.

I've talked about it here on the program a number of different times. So Andy Strickland talking to an NHL executive about the future of no trade clauses. Jacob, if you have, but if you could fire it up there, the sort of nickel and dime tour of this thing is essentially if you have a no trade and you ask to be traded, all of a sudden, oh, here it is. Speaking to an NHL executive, he suggests if a player negotiates a no trade or no move clause in their contract, but then requests to be traded prior to the expiration of their deal, the no trade clause should be voided and the team should be allowed to trade the player to any team in the league. Well, first of all, of course, an executive is going to say that from the National Hockey League, obviously, certainly from a team. would say that, to which I always say, well, what this NHL executive is suggesting then,

that we reopen the CBA, because this needs to be, if this is what you're after, then be prepared to offer the Players Association a cookie. Now, we can quibble about how much good the Players Association going back to 2005 has actually done for the players. I would actually argue against that, but that's for another conversation. but what do you make of the idea if it, because no trade clauses will be brought up in the next CBA negotiations unless there is a temptation on behalf of the NHL and the PA

to reopen this one area of the CBA. This is going to take a quid pro quo. But what do you think of this idea? You have an NTC or a no move clause. You ask to be traded. All of a sudden, you're available to all 31 other teams. Well, like the rule wasn't that different in the past, Right. Like if you got traded while you had those clauses, they got waived.

And that's, you know, if it was waived once, whether the team asked for the player to do it or the player did it, it stays waived. It's different. Like I don't like some some some some teams like I know Nashville because Sue ban waived to go to Nashville. And I know that Nashville allowed the clause to go back on. So it, it is possible that if if if you wave it stays. But in some situations, you're right. You wave, you wave, it's gone. Right.

Now, didn't they change it completely, though? Isn't it now that if it gets waived, it goes right back? That was the whole thing of like, if the Canucks had traded J.T. Miller before that new contract kicked in, would the no movement clause work? And it's like, it doesn't work that way anymore. Now it does matter. Now, I get trying to differentiate it if it's not the team asking someone to waive it, right? Say you wave it for an expansion draft and you get moved in the expansion draft should your no movement clause count. Well, if the team asked you to do it, you know, why are you getting screwed for it?

But on the other hand, you know, if a player asks, I can see that argument a little bit more. But I also say it's bullshit. If you don't want no trade clauses and no movement clause biting you, then you should not be handing them out like candy. And we saw it again this summer. We keep seeing these complaints about them. They need to be reserved for core players. So when someone like, I don't know, who's a big name player, like Claude Drew, when he was traded from Philly. Right?

And he wades his no movement clause and says, I will go here or there. And it's like, well, the flyers get screwed on the redone. turn no matter what because he's making it so he can only go to X, Y, or Z places. Well, he was a franchise player and earned that. That's a little bit different than your fourth line player, you know, waving around his no trade clause differently, right? I don't mind it when players like that get it. Brad Marchand should have had a no movement clause. So when the Bruins didn't get much back for him, the leverage of the situation hurts them. But that's your franchise player. You're never intending to actually move. It needs to be reserved. And if you are handing one out,

there needs to be a concession because how long, how many, times do we see that seven-year contract handed out with term money and trade protections? It's the trifect. It's not necessary for so many players. A player like, go back to Drew, now in, you know, Ottawa, if he asks around now on a one-year deal, I think that's fine, right? Like the older players saying I'm coming here, but I just think that we see far too many of them. So instead of complaining about whether or not they should kick back in, just stop giving them out to players that should not have them. The problem is sometimes outside. That's the deciding point whether you get the player or you don't, right?

And one team is saying, we'll offer you the NMC and the other is saying like, no, we're not handing these things out like candy because I heard Shannon Goldman on the sheet say that we shouldn't do this. So we're not going to do this. The flip side to that other thing, like the follow up to that executive, if I'm Andy, is if that's the way you see it for asking to be traded when you have a no trade clause. If a player does have a no trade or a no move clause and the team goes to him and says, we want you to waive that. So we can trade you somewhere. You should have to compensate that player monetarily. Because it can't just be a two-way street, right? And a lot of times, no trade clauses are taken in exchange for less money.

Like the example that I was raising the other day here on the program, I'll let you go on this one, was Ryan Ellis. So Ryan Ellis signs a big contract with the Nashville Predators. That's a no-tax state. And he doesn't have a no-trade clause on. And if you are in a no-tax state, You always have to get a no trade clause because you could be traded to a heavily taxed state. And then all of a sudden, your money is reduced.

He ends up getting traded to Philadelphia Flyers in Pennsylvania. And all of a sudden, what was no state tax turns into state tax quickly. And what he negotiated is not what he's getting anymore in Philadelphia. This is going to be a CBA issue. Yep. But hold on. Let me add to it. If there's going to be, you know, a financial part of it,

then it should count against the cap like a performance bonus does as a delayed way the next year. The next year. Right. There's got to be some part of it. So, okay, I'm glad you brought us there because as we saw in the lockout, the owners have zero appetite from money outside the system. Zero. So it'll all have to be captured inside the system. But I would like, again, my perfect blue sky world, this to be outside the system.

I know the owners will never go for it. But if, I mean, it's a negotiation. And I think it's time we took the training wheels off the CBA and took the training wheels off the salary cap and start to play with it a little more. Sheen on that will let you have a good weekend. What's up with you this weekend? What's you got going on?

Tennis World Cup. And I have a party at the beach tomorrow. Uh-oh. I'm innocent. I'm not doing it. No, you know what? I get to enjoy the weekend, have some fun with it, and then I'm taking time off later this month.

So still get to write. I'll have some more projects to get done, and then then I'll be all for a while. Awesome. Love it. I'm gone for a week and then back barking it out. And by then, nothing will have happened with Jason Robertson. Everybody's got for a week until I get back. You're great.

Have a great week. And we'll talk to you again soon. Thanks for having me. Shana Goldman from The Athletic and the Too Many Men podcast. Breaking down a couple of different things. Unlike Shana, I don't think this hurricane story is going to go away. this is, I think this is still going to be an issue. And unless something happens and something gets changed,

and maybe they have to, maybe they do have to redo the ring. Maybe they have to redo the entire thing. I can't see this story vanishing. And I also, because someone asked me this last night, much like Basil Pawclinton, who is the father of Peter Pawkington, the owner of the Edmonton owner was back in 84. or Peter tried to get his dad on the Stanley Cup.

And as someone mentioned to me today, is Basil Pocklington not the most British name you've ever heard in your life? The answer to that is yes. It just needs a sir in front of it to put it over the top. And then it got exed out because that's inappropriate. The dad didn't do nothing. And so they ex that one out. I don't know that they go that route with the Dundon family.

as much as I don't like the five kids on there, I don't know that exing out children on the Stanley Cup is a good look. So the more that I think about it, the more I think you might just have to redo the whole ring or else this is not going to go away. This is still going to be an issue. This is next year when the NHL, and like the Shane's point,

the NHL has been nailing it with their Stanley Cup commercials. The cups in the building was so freaking good last year. When they have, you know, all the guys, you know, trying to describe what it feels like to win the Stanley Cup. Some of the best spot, promotional spots we've seen the NHL put together. Now all of the sudden, not that it's gone, but all of a sudden it's like, okay, you're really opening yourself up to massive criticism online because of the Dundon situation. in Carolina with the names being on there. I don't think I'm in the minority on this one. I think that there's a lot of people that feel this way,

and I haven't heard anybody yet say that this is a good thing, or this is fine outside of some Carolina Hurricanes fans and people within the organization. I want to mention a couple things here before we let you go for the weekend. The segment of presentation of Canadian blood services who invite you to experience what giving feels like in a world that can feel isolating and divided blood and plasma donations offer something rare and fulfilling, real connection, real purpose, and real impact.

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Dylan Larkin wanted to give it this yesterday, but it was, you know, Offer Sheetogogo has expanded his list that he'll be amenable to a trade and Sarkhan reporting this one yesterday. It is, as we know, Minnesota, Vegas, Florida, and Dallas. You can add the stars to that. But as I was mentioning with Shane a couple of seconds ago, one of the issues here is a lot of teams are looking at Dylan Larkin and saying, yeah, he's a first line center on the Detroit Red Wings. but when you look at the numbers and you look at, you know, where he's most comfortable,

this guy on a good team is a second line center and that is the price that we want to pay. We want to pay a second line price for your first line player. I think that's where it's going to be really difficult for Steve Eisenman to quote unquote get what he wants and keep the fan base happy to say nothing of ownership but say nothing of the team. I do think the threat of an opportunity. offer sheet for Simon Edvinson, by the way, is quite real. I would imagine that between Adam Fantilli and Connor Bedard, the chance of an offer sheet rests mainly with the player in Columbus, not so much in Chicago. If it is Chicago, look out. The only issue I see there is, and I'm not saying that

Adam Fantilli, he's not a fiercely loyal person or player. I can recall. I can recall. and I think anyone that follows junior hockey can recall how he was when he was with the Regina Pat to the Western Hockey League, who were a good team, not a great team. And, you know, he could have taken the easy way and just accepted a trade to Camloops and gone to the Memorial Cup and basting the glow of being a really good team in the Western League at the Memorial Cup and get that shine spot. But he always maintained. This is a team that drafted me. This is a team where I don't want, I do not want to leave. And he was true to his word.

He was true to his word. And he stayed. that's why I'm not so sure that I can see Connor Bedard signing an offer sheet. I can see teams submitting an offer sheet to his agent and they do have a responsibility legally to take that to their client, but I just can't see Bedard scratching his name on that. As for Adam Fantilli, the team that I really wonder about. And again, this is just like I wonder about because of mainly of need.

and this is a team that needs to do something big and has continued to try to do big things, whether it's tried to get Robert Thomas, whether it's tried to get Artemey Paneran, whether it's tried to get Jason Robertson, if you're Jason Botterall, general manager of the Seattle Cracken, you're submitting an offer sheet to Adam Fantilli, right?

And not just because of the Michigan thing, because you went to Michigan and Maddie Baneers went to Michigan and Mackie Samoskevich went to Michigan. But you're trying to do something big and bring in a big player. And Adam Fantilli could be that guy. So we'll see what happens there.

Speaking of Seattle, talking to various teams, as we all know about Shane Wright, I would expect that would happen at some point this summer. Probably better for everyone's situation here that it happens sooner than later, although I don't think Jason Bottol is in a rush to do this. And as I mentioned on this show at the beginning of the week, this is nothing new.

This situation with Shane Wright has been going on for a year, maybe a year and a half. So what's another month or so? We'll see what happens there. Jacob Bazar, thanks so much for filling in for Zach Phillips today. Just a quickie today, folks. I am off next week. So next week, no shows. But then we're back to semi-full-time hours. How's that? We're still working on what the schedule is going to look like for the remainder of the summer. But as I've been talking about, we're keeping the feet hot because there's a lot of news to get to a lot of things happening around the NHL this off season. And we thought this summer was going to be boring. Oh, look, there's no free agents.

You guys will do a show on July 1st and then wrap it up and we'll see pictures of you from your cottage. Not so fast. A lot of things happening around the NHL. So we aren't going anywhere. Well, I am for one week. And then I'll be back. Enjoy next week. We will catch up again afterwards.

Thanks so much for all the attention. As the Leo Carlson offer sheet saga played itself out, whether it's going back to the draft and everybody was there with us and free agency and everything that's followed ever since and the trades and the goofiness and probably more offer sheets to come as well. We appreciate the attention. I know you have a lot of things you could be doing and a lot of shows you could be watching or listening. The fact that you choose this one on a consistent basis is very flattering. Thank you so much for being part of it. Thanks for the buns and the use of the hall.

Tip your Zamboni driver on the way out and we'll talk to you in just over a week.