The Sheet with Jeff Marek - The Ivan Has Landed ft. Brian Burke

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

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Hockey League for the Eagles. I'll face off against the Henderson Silver Knights. And this, Zach Phillips, is going to be a wonderful day. Welcome to Friday, by the way. We started the week, Zach, with little Berkey. We're finishing up with big Berkey. From Patrick to Brian.

It's how to bookend Berkeys for the week. So get your questions in at the sheet at thenationnetwork.com or hit us up on the social on the social meds as the kids say. I don't think kids say that anymore. I don't know if they ever said that. They never did. I don't know.

I think that one might have been a swing and a miss on your behalf. All right. Back to the drawing board then. All right. Yeah. Try again. We got some hot goss for the show today. The kids still say hot goss. No is that still a thing? No. Hot goss is not. No. No. No. That's things I learned on this show. Boy okay. Close to the retirement home. Listen you know who's not close to the retirement

home is Gabriel Landeskog. Here's your transition right there. Gabriel Landiscaug returns. Have I mentioned that he's my favorite hockey player in the NHL and he perhaps is soon to be back in the NHL after a three-year absence. Last time we saw him was holding the Stanley Cup and like many of us I thought, you know what, this isn't looking good, isn't sounding good, you know, this might be the end for Gabriel Landiscaug and we'll see what happens tonight, who knows? But I thought to myself, if you're gonna go out, that's the way to do it, right?

Your closing scene is holding the Stanley Cup. If you're gonna go out, that's a really great way to do it. And curtain as you're holding the Stanley Cup and then the audience applauds. That's a great way to do it. I've had this thing for Gabriel Landeskog going back to junior when he played with the kitchen arrangers and there was and I'm still trying to look at that. Look at that picture of him in the Eagles jersey. Oh, Gabe Landisgog is back. Look at that. 92 bringing back the captain for the playoffs.

Let's go. That's awesome. There there was a game he would have been a rookie then landis gog playing for the kitchen Rangers against the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds and one of the toughest players in the OHL at that point was Jake Muzzin Jake Muzzin was tough I still maintain the maple leaves haven't recovered from losing Jake Muzzin but tough. I still maintain the Maple Leafs haven't recovered from losing Jake Muzzin, but that's for another conversation for another day on the program. But Muzzin ran someone on the Rangers,

and Landis Gogh, who was a rookie, went right at him. And I can recall, because Troy Smith would have been the coach, actually, the Kitchen Rangers at that point, or maybe he was an assistant, and I think he was the head coach. I can't recall. Troy Smith was on the bench and everybody on the bench, coaching staff, all of it were like, I don't know

whether you want to be doing that, Gabe Landiskog, like, pick your spots here, that's uh, yeah, you might want to learn a thing or two here about Jake Muzzin. And like, Landis Cogg fed him. And like, everybody on the bench was like, whoa, what do we have here? This combination of skill and leadership and toughness and fighting ability? Fearless player? Oh man. Landis Gogg's awesome. Anyway, so I've always loved the guy.

One of my favorite players, the NHL's always better when Gabriel Landis Gogg is in it and I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that things go okay here for Landis Gogg at the American Hockey League and he can make his way back to the NHL just in time for the playoffs. You wanna talk about a long play? A long cap circumvention play,

keep your player out three years. Take that Vegas, take that Tampa, that's how you do it. Take that Mark Stone, take that Nikita Kucherov. Hold my beer. You want a C-L want to see LTIR? Here's how you do LTIR and sneak into the playoffs. Anyone can do a couple of months. Yeah, that's cute.

Yeah, Landisgog, three years. How about three years? Joe Sackick's handing it off. He's like, don't worry. Three years. Joe Sackett's handing it off. He's like don't worry. He'll be back. He'll be back. I'm just happy he's in. I'm just happy he's in. I'm just happy he's involved. Okay, let's get to what's on the show today. Daily Outlines presented by FanDuel make every moment more. Did I mention Gabe Landiscock is returning? With North America's number one sports book and coming up on the program today. Fridays are always special and we got,

man, we got more feedback today, more questions today for our featured guest Brian Burke than I think we've ever had for Burke. So we'll try to plow through as many as we can. And the good thing about it too is a lot of the questions and comments are pretty diverse and cover a wide range of areas of expertise for Bryan Burke. So looking forward to that here coming up in a couple of moments.

We will talk about Brandon Duhaime. And we will big up someone who predicted that it was going to be Brandon Duhaime who dealt with Jalen Chatfield last night. Someone had mentioned that in our chat as we went off the air, I believe. We'll get to that coming up in a couple of moments. Demidoff and the scene at Pearson Airport in Toronto yesterday. My take on it is that I think it was a wonderful thing to have hockey fans that are that passionate. And we'll get into that in a couple of moments. I know people look at those guys and say like, you're insane.

And we're going to talk about Harold Ballard because a really interesting video just popped up on Instagram. And I want to comment on it because the guy you're listening to, the guy you're maybe watching right now on YouTube and his first day on the job at Parkland Cemetery in the West End of the city of Toronto helped to bury and then took care of the plot. Section AA, right at the corner of Prince Edward and Bloor, took care of the plot of Harold Ballard. We'll get into that story coming up in a couple of moments. Lots to get to on

today's show. Let me tee him up, although he really doesn't need any introduction. There are just some people in the industry that you don't have to set up with a bio or anything. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back to the program. You love him? You might not always agree with him, but you love him. He's Brian Burke and he joins me once again. Burke, how are you?

Hi Jeff, how are you? I'm doing very well. We get a lot of questions for you today. And we got a lot of different comments, but the one thing that I wanted to start with, this has been a difficult week for everybody in the hockey community. Early in this week, Greg Millen passed away

and then Ray Shirow passed away yesterday. Do you have a thought on either slash both, Berkey? I knew both those guys. The tragic loss is way too soon for both of them. Very different guys but very similar at the same time. With uh with Millsie, he was a guy that I thought really called a great game. I met him first when he was playing in Hartford. I've had to be friends with him over the years. I followed him ever since. And then of course as a broadcaster, you bump into him. Really a guy that manages words well.

Didn't, wasn't for posts, wasn't over, doing fun. He told me once, how many great plays do you really see in a game? And the answer is you see maybe one or two. Where people will say, you used to work great in the broadcast 30 times. Mills had tried not to do that.

He said he was a clever player, a sharp player, a smart play. He tried to manage the use of some perlulums. Great sense of humor, very wry, dry sense of humor. Great guy, way too young. With Ray Shero, I called Ray Ray Ray. I had a childhood friend in Boston named Ray DiPietro. He was a real good college football player at UNH. And Ray said everything twice, so we call him Ray Ray.

So they call Ray, Shiro Ray Ray. Ray and I were roommates in Sochi. JJ was in the other room. We had two guys in one room and one guy in the other. JJ had a late break, Jim Johansson, and now Ray, Shiro and I. And they set the beds up about three feet apart. It's like we were in hockey school And I sat for two and a half weeks

I went to bed every night about two feet away from Ray Shirow great sense of humor Highly intelligent guy great bloodlines famous father wonderful man both those guys we missed Absolutely, just as an aside with Ray, I'm always curious. Did you ever meet his dad? Did you ever meet Fred? Freddie Shero spoke to me once during training camp. I scored two goals. I know you won't believe it, but I did.

I scored two goals. And we were going to dinner at the Muddy Rudders, a place in Portland. And out by the practice swing, I was in there with my roommate, Tommy Lawrence and Freddy Schiro, late grade, Freddy Schiro came in with the late break, Keith Allen. And Freddy said you could see him talking to Mr. Allen. He said, who's the red? He scored the two goals. And he saw Mr.

Allen say, it's Brian Burke, 10 feet away. So Freddie walks over me, passing by me, goes, way to go, way to go son. He forgot my name in the 10 feet it took to watch. But that was Freddie. Mel Birchman told me, Fred Sheeran didn't know his name for two years when he played for him.

So the one time I met Freddie, he said hi to me a couple of times during training camp. I was that great man. You know, it's true. Will be missed. I mean, it's funny. You know, I was talking on the show yesterday about, uh, about Ray and I didn't know him as well as you did. I talked to him a number of times, but like you're, you guys were colleagues.

You guys are both general managers. You guys were in that fraternity. Um, but the, I remember the last conversation I had with him was about when he was 10 years old and, uh, uh, Jerry Meehan scored that goal against the Philadelphia Flyers, uh, and that last game of the season, 1972, took the Flyers out, it was his dad's friend. It was the first time that hockey made him cry. Like we're talking about like the first time that hockey, hockey breaks your hearts.

And I just remember Ray talking about how, you know, he was, he was 10 years old and his mom had a cup of coffee and she dropped it. And he started to cry when that goal went in with like four seconds left and it was another disastrous season for the Philadelphia Flyers. And the thing about Ray is like, he always kind of made you laugh too. Like every conversation that I remember I had with Ray, like at some point, like he could be very serious. He could be angry.

Managers run a lot of stress as you well know. There's always something in every conversation that made you laugh. Like I'll always take that away from Ray Sherrill. He would call you and he would talk for 10 minutes. You could get a cup of coffee, you could brush your hair, which I should probably do now. And you could brush your teeth, you could go get a take a break and a washroom break, come back,

you'd still be gabbing away. Making a laugh, tell stories, tell jokes. Very popular, very popular to GM. Verde was. He'll be missed, Millsy will be missed as well. We should mention as well, Marc LaForest passed away most recently as well. Let me get your thoughts on Brandon Duhaime and Jalen Chatfield last night. So rewind last week. Jalen Chatfield has the fight with Conor McMichael, the Washington Capitals, spins McMichael around, trips him, McMichael lands on his back, almost hits his head on the ice, really controversial. Nothing from the DOPS on this one,

but I know the players on the caps were miffed. And I think we were wondering, okay, so next time these two teams meet, who's gonna go after Chatfield to even the score? Some would say like, oh, that's Tom Wilson's, maybe Ryan Leonard the kid wants to make a name for himself. And it's Brandon Duhaime, who steps up early in the game and goes right at him, off a draw, Chatfield obliges

and give the win there clearly to Brandon Duhaime. You've been in situations like this as a manager before. I can remember the Brad May situation with Kim Janssen and then Derek Bugard, where there's a score that needs to be settled. Is there, like, would there be any conversation here? Yes. Or is that just, there would be, yeah?

Ordinarily, you'd say something in the warmup, just say, kid, I'm coming after your first shift. So you give him some warning, you don't wanna jump him. that It would be a middleweight, not a heavyweight. And Jalen Chatfield's perfectly willing to take the fight, but for both of them, move on. Do you care to share the Brad May-Derek Bugard story after the Kim Yonson incident so many years ago? When Brad May, so he sucker punched Kim Yonson coming into the pile. I asked him afterwards, what happened, Matty?

Why did you hit the kid? He said he's coming in. I thought he was trying to join the fight, join the pile. Yeah. I asked him afterwards, what happened, maybe? Why did you hit the kid? He said, he's coming in. I thought he was trying to join the fight, join the pile. So I didn't impress anyone, but I believe Brad May, because Brad May is an honorable guy. Now he's got to fight Blugart. We play him the next year. And I went to Brad and I said, Brad, you don't have to take this fight. I said, you can just tell him you're under orders. That's perfectly acceptable. He could say I'm under orders, can't take the fight. And maybe he said, don't worry about me, Berkey. I said, that Boogie switches wings to get opposite Mayday. He says, we're gonna do this? And Mayday said, yep, until he dropped the gloves. And Mayday actually won the fight. He didn't hammer him, but no one hammered Boogie. But Mayday won the fight.

So I had so much respect for Brad May anyway, but that just reinforced. He said, I gotta pay my own tab. No one else can pay it. Because George Farrell said, I'll fight him. And I said, no, you won't. Mayday answered the doubt. The big story this week is actually a story that happened on Sunday afternoon at UBS and that is Alexander Ovechkin officially breaking the Wayne Gretzky goal record.

A couple of things. Did you have a thought on Ovechkin not wanting to go on the ice for the empty netter against Chicago? And then just your thoughts on the achievement itself and where does that place him in the sort of pantheon of greats in the history of the NHL now that he has that record? Well, he goes down as the greatest goal scorer ever and that's no small thing to take any record away from Wayne Gretzky to me says volumes right there that speaks to itself but that the matter is this guy's been a joy to watch he's been a pleasure to watch he sells tickets he's a physical guy he's a big mean guy hits hard he pancaked two guys the other night for god's sake in a game where he's just set the record he's still pancaked two guys and I'm really happy for him. I really like him personally very much as well. I'm going to talk about this a little bit later on in the program too, Berkey, but your thoughts on Ivan Demidoff and maybe sort of, you know, I always remind people temper

expectations for Rookie, temper expectations for new kids coming in. I'm not sure if you saw some of the scenes at Pearson yesterday when Demidoff landed and all the Montreal Canadiens fans were around and the kid had his eyes open wide as he walked off the plane. Do you have a thought on how should Montreal handle this phenomenon that is Ivan Demidoff? And did you have a thought about all the people at Pearson converging to welcome him to Canada? Well, I think it's very cool. It's reminiscent to me when Pavel Berry came to Canada. A lot of people, there's a big crowd at the embassy in Seattle. That's why I drove Pavel in.

We drove across the border instead. But his first practice was at Britannia, one of the local ranks. For 2,000 people in the rank, shoulder to shoulder, they just swung him out to get him out of the practice afterwards. So I think this kid's got a chance to be special. and I remember Pavel Bure's first NHL game. He got in a role five times. He beat the defense, went in a role five times. Did not score.

He against Winnipeg. Next night he scored, but he did not score that first game. But you could see the talent. And people were going nuts about him. So this kid's got a chance to be special. Break him in slowly, but then you're gonna let him rip. That's what he's gonna do. Let me ask you about Pavel Bure.

It's interesting you bring up that name rip because that's what he's gonna do. Let me ask you about Pavel Burea. It's interesting you bring up that name because there's a couple of names that I've always felt through history here that we just don't mention enough. One of them is Peter Stasny, who if you look at the 80s, Wayne Gretzky's number, as far as scoring goes, points. Wayne Gretzky's number one, that's obvious.

Number two is Peter Stasny. But we never talk about Peter Stassny. Um, and I find, and maybe this is a byproduct of him having an injury shortened career that we don't talk enough about how great Pavel Bure was. Yeah. I said that's partly because of the Russian thing, partly because he had a short career, partly because he's injured a lot and probably he's a little bit moody. He didn't talk to the media when he didn't feel like it. I didn't find him moody at all,

but I think fans perceived him as moody. Pavel's a great guy. I enjoyed having him as a player, even though I had to move him. He was a great player. I think you're right. I think he gets a short trip down. People talk about him. I've said this before on the air and people say to me who's kind of mckavey the fastest skater you've ever seen. I said, no, I know one guy who's just as fast name was Pavel. I just remember how huge his legs were. Like he had these legs that were in sunny standing. From a standing star.

He was like Eric, I'd like Standing star to full speed, two steps. Better than Connor. Not, I think Connor's got a better top end, but I think that was quicker to get there. Okay, we got some questions as always. This one is in from Justin. And actually this is a question about your time as an agent. Questions for Berkey.

In your time as an agent, which relationship was the most delicate? That of you and your individual clients or that of you and your relationship with managers, scouts, etc. In simpler terms, was it harder to navigate the internal or external relationships in the course of being an agent? Tough to deal with your player or the GMs out there? Well, the internal ones were easy because I had very strict rules on how I did things. Players did things my way or they got someone else. I would tell a guy to lose weight.

I would tell a guy to go over the mire and keep his mouth shut. I was much more bossy with my players than he'd be allowed to be today. So my keeping the players in line was never an issue for me. Because when I met with them, I'd say, this is how it works. I'm going to tell you what to do. You're going to say yes, we'll get along fine. If you don't hire someone else. I said, I'm not mad.

You don't want me, I'm not mad. I had other players do that. You don't want me, don't hire me. But don't bring me here and then argue with me. So that was easy. Getting along with the agents or the GMs, that was the harder part. Harry Sennett hated my guts. We fought like cats and dogs. Ben said I had a couple good battles, but people all like new agents. They figure when you're a

new guy, you should behave and keep your mouth shut, and that's not exactly Brian Burke's playbook. So. Oh, by the way, I started the show off today talking about Gabriel Landisgog. Now Landisgog will suit up in the AHL for the Colorado Eagles. They're facing off against Henderson, Vegas' AHL affiliate. And Jake submits this question, Burke. Brian, can you tell the Landiscaug draft interview story? I don't want to tell it's all out of school, but Gabe, I think will forgive me. I saw Gabe when they played in Toronto a couple weeks ago. He came up on the

crosswalk, came over to me and we talked. I hadn't seen him in a couple years. I admire him so much and he knows I've said this publicly. His draft interview was one of the best interviews ever. Brad May, Trevor Lennon, and this kid, Gabriel Anisgad. He left and I said to Tree, why don't we just invite this kid in and sit down on the rest of the meetings? I said he'll be a gem as soon as he gets done playing. So he knows my admiration for him is very real, very profound.

Came right over, we had a good talk. It's been three years and he said the hardest part for him, again, not telling tales out of school, hardest part for him was just a new procedure. He said, there's no one my doctor could call and say, where about this? What about that? So it's been from scratch. This kid has worked his tail off. I can't believe he's almost there.

I can't wait to see him play. What was so good about the draft interview? He, I mean, you mentioned like he's, I mean, the thing about, do we all know about Landis Gogg is, and I remember him when he played with the kitchen arrangers. Like he was mature well beyond his years. Like he's, I was telling the story about when he came in and, you know, uh, uh, had a, had a doozy with Jake Muzzin who was playing with the Greyhounds at that point. But like, and that was like after a hit and Landiscock went right at him,

surprised Muzzin, but like real tough, but like, like recognize the moment, like all of it, like way mature, way beyond his, like, he would have been like 17 years old, I would imagine at that point, but way more mature than, you know, than his, than his birth certificate would betray. Well, perfect English first of all, most sweets come over. Yep. They, Well, perfect English, first of all. Most Swedes come over. Yep, they acquire good English, but not perfect. This kid picked up perfect English in two years.

The bias draft year is speaking perfect English, not having the accents in English, perfect English. Second was his poise. Posture is good, made eye contact with everyone. When you ask a question, so a guy over on the right side would ask the question Gabriel would turn and face him and answer the question which is what you do I contact with the person you're speaking with then bring in the room every once I look around

His poise his maturity his answers were so well thought out and I rehearsed I was just blown away with this case still am I'm just talking to him in the press box the other night Like I think I said gave good luck about if anyone deserves good luck at you. He deserves to one another cup I think everyone's chair in form. Okay Martian submits this one. Can you ask Berkey about the Battle of Ontario and the time that he and Brian Murray Had a discussion about Nazem Qadri at the draft when he told Murray, he was taking him.

We've all seen the video, Berkey. I felt badly about that video for years. I still do. Because I thought I was disrespectful of Brian Murray. I never do that. I respected Brian Murray. I admired Brian Murray. And so the day he passed away, that bothered me.

So look, I looked like I was being dismissive. I wasn't trying to get up to the table. And Brian Murray can order me and said, we're just sort of switched seven and eight or eight and nine. I said, well, who are you taking? He said, no, this is a war taking my walk the way it looked bad. You know, I asked, I apologize to Brian right afterwards. Once I realized it looked bad, he said, what are you kidding? He said, I didn't take any offense. so he wasn't offended by it, but I was I felt terrible about it So I apologize to him or seven or eight times after that happened. So that was a side of me I didn't like it wasn't done disrespectfully. Just look bad. Hmm

How how often would that happen that you get sort of stopped on your way up to the podium? That's the only time it ever happened with me. But I'm sure you've seen it plenty of times. Hold on before. Stop the wedding. Usually before someone's on the phone. So you're calling your draft pick takes place. So say you're picking eight. The eighth pick is announced and they come to you and they ask for your pick. submit it they've had it and they have to save time because that's when someone will call you You know when he grabbed you going up That was unusual. I never happened before never happened since so big Willie style submits something. I don't think I've ever asked you This is an interesting one

Best day of the week civilian friday. I think we should start calling this civilian Friday. Here we go. I got a question for Berkey. What was your hardest trade to make? Ryan McCabe. I traded Ryan McCabe in at first to get the twins. I had to do it. Yeah. I hung on for three days trying to throw in other names at him. From Paul Murray, who was a gym in Chicago. And he said, look, I'm not doing this. I know what you're trying to do. I'll help you do it, but you got to put McCabe in the deal.

I love Brian McCabe as a player. He was an ideal player for me. He was smart. He was tough. He was a great teammate. I liked his wife. Like, you know, on our team. and wouldn't trade Joe also had to put me gave me and I told him after I said I'm sick to my stomach doing this game or so on every time I see him I have an apologize still Still to this day. He's got a stay like a bring now do yeah the Panthers Great that was tough. That was hard trading players. I remember when we traded Richie Sutter to st. Louis That was just desolate lot after it was dead He was so despondent after that trade he's down. He couldn't hardly talk and said I'm trying to find ten more guys like Richie Sutter I just traded him I couldn't talk for about half hour after that trade

He was sick to the stomach So I know if it gets different people differently, but I've trained some guys who didn't want to trade, but Ryan McCabe was the hardest. Um, J WBS submits this one with all the recent additions from overseas and the legwork that comes uh, along with getting them over to North America. Does Berkey have any good stories of trying to bring over a player from overseas?

Well, you just mentioned Palvo Burry a second ago, but I mean, it's a lot different now. I mean, when you guys were doing it, it was like in the back of a trunk and forged passports and dodging bullets and secret agents. Like it was a wild world then, Berkey. Well, like in Boobly, that was a little different. That was before me though. And I was, they had armed guards chasing them and crossing the border in the dead of night, money belts and all kinds of stuff. So I was after that, thankfully. But no, I don't have any good stories about spoken to that or stuff getting you guys up.

Was it tough with Buray? No. I don't know how Ron Sals was the agent. He got him out. I have no idea. He did. He called me. He says, Hey, you want to talk to Pavel? But Pavel on the phone, I said, all right, Ron, I give up.

How'd you get him here? He said, we're not going to talk about that. Ron Sals was a really good guy. He was Pavel's agent. He got him out. And I said to Pat, I said to Pat, I better get down there and start talking to this kid, find out what we're going to do. So I flew out the next day. That's awesome. So there's some, this is kind of a longer one, but this goes back

to the 2007 playoffs. What do you recall from the Derek Bugard, Tammu Selenny warmup controversy where there was a puck shot into your zone. You remember this one, Breaker? There's a puck shot into your zone. And did it hit Tammu or almost hit Tammu, hit him in the head maybe? Like vague recollections of this,

but I do remember something about this one. I don't think I hit him I think it came very close, but it wasn't fired out of it was kind of flipped out I'm gonna cut him what it cut him, but it wouldn't put him out of the game or anything. It's stupid I don't know if Pugar mad I don't think Derek Pugar would have done that so miles said we couldn't deserve we looked at the film There's a warm-ups our film believe it or not. We go through the film. There's the warmups of our film, believe it or not. We looked at the film, couldn't see a thing. But yeah, someone shot a puck at him. That's like Alpie shooting the puck at Scottie Niedermeyer

in the playoffs. That was intentional. But this was, I don't think this, this was certainly intentional, but I don't think anyone, it was just kind of stupid. Yeah. You know, we were just having, Zach, Zach, my producer and I were just having this conversation the other day about the Western hockey league in the

seventies and Kelly really told me that when he was playing for medicine had, uh, the new Westminster Bruins with, you know, legendary coach, Ernie punch, McLean had like a real, real tough team and Boris Fistrick, you probably know his son and maybe you know Boris too, or new Boris. New Boris, yeah. Yeah, like the, the, the king of the jungle, right? Super tough.

And what Kelly would tell me was during warmup, guys from New West, most specifically Boris, would skate into, into medicine hat zone and take shots at the medicine hat Tigers goaltender. And then Boris occasionally would lift the net off the moorings and push it to center ice during warm-up and stand beside the net and say come do something about this if you want. Yep that's on the Western

Hockey League went to separate warm-ups home team and warm-up they pull the whistle they clear the ice and the visiting team would come out or vice versa. They used to do that stuff at separate warms. Absolutely It's so eaten that away. They try that. Yeah, they turn the net the wrong way The firepox the guys that stir fights in the warm-up now they've went to two warms and all four officials on ice watching She was crazy. It was out of out of their minds back then. That's how it was. You know, it's funny too, that was like that era, there were,

and I just mentioned Ernie Punch McClain a couple of seconds ago, legendary coach from the new Westminster Bruins, but there were others like, you know, like Doug Sautter. There was a Seattle coach, Jack Sangster. They used to call his team Sangsters Gangsters. Like the Western league, who once upon a time, Um, uh, Seattle coach Jack Sangster. They used to call his team Sangsters gangsters. Like the Western league who once upon a time, I know it's still a tough league, but like once upon a time, like Bricky, just to be blunt, like that was crazy

league, man, like the Western league was nuts. It was out of control. I was at a game in Tri-City where they, uh, I learned Seattle against Tri-City and a fight broke out and players started swinging their sticks at fans. We took the sticks away and started clubbing fans with them. That's online. Both teams went over the glass. It was nuts. I was at the game. You were at that one. So that game, that game's online. Like it's interesting too, because there's, there's one scene and it's, it's Olaf Kolzik, the goaltender,

who's swinging his, it's the wildest thing. Brian Sackek, I think, would have been involved in that too, who's swinging his stick at fans, like his goalie stick. Like it is some of the, Zach, if you can find it, maybe we'll fire this up, and you can get Stu Barnes, I think, was involved in that one too. Like you were at that game, Berkey? You were in the most notorious games. What's that game, Berkey. It was the notorious games.

Yeah. Rick Kozlovak was the coach. Yeah, that was a, that was an abs... Like it's games like that where I'm sure the players go back in the room and they say to themselves, uh, are we going to get arrested? We're just like swinging sticks of fans. It's like the Hansens. The cops come to the door. The Hansons.

You get to make one phone call. Call the pizza man. That's not a great memory for me, but I'm glad the game has evolved away from that. It was crazy back then. It really was. Here's one from Ryan Pike, who works with us here at the Nation Network

covering the Calgary Flames. I'm sure Brian's been asked this before, but with us here at the Nation Network covering the Calgary Flames. I'm sure Brian's been asked this before, but with it being frozen four season, does he think a large tournament like the NCAA does would work for junior hockey? Travel would be an issue for one, expenses would be another. And the home gatesgates are so important to those teams. Yes. I'm not sure about that going through the neutral side for the Frozen 4. They go to the regional, four regional sites and then they go to the Frozen 4.

It's a great tournament, it's a lot of fun. But single elimination is so tough, like David Karl got knocked out. Yeah. And good for Predit Ferschweiler, he you double O.T. And good for credit. First, while he's a good coach of Western, good for us. But losing a single elimination game after playing all year, it's that's tough, boy. It's hard, man. It is. You mentioned Pat first while a couple of seconds ago,

you know, when the when the Philly job when John Tortorella was was fired, that was one of the first names that I thought of was Pat was Pat first. Well, you know, he used to play Western Mish with, with Jonesy and he's, he was on the bench as an assistant with Detroit, his name's out there. I think we wonder about J-Pandolfo with BU, even though his kid was just named to the, um, the national program and has a chance to

probably coach him in a couple of years as well. But like, like there's coaches in NCAA right now, they're that at least it feels like they're right there. You mentioned David Karl, there's another one. Like it seems like there's coaches in NCAA right now that are, that at least it feels like they're right there. You mentioned David Karl. There's another one. Like it seems like there's a, there's a handful there that are right on the cusp

of turning pro and coaching in the NHL. Does it feel that way to you? Yes. I think Pat's going to get a shot and David Karl's going to get a shot. I think, um, cause there's going to be more opportunity, suspension is coming. You know, my view on that this time I'm gonna be at 36 days before lying in my view Can the quality of player accommodate expansion becomes one of the questions so where are you out on that issue?

I don't think that's just so I think these players were getting there better than the era at that I think there's plenty of players as long as you two teams and two teams the every building every year. So that's a good thing. Might be. I'd like to get rid of that anyhow. So we're going to expand. Let's take advantage of that and do that. From Carl T. Does Berkey have any great Mike Pekka or Rick DiPietro stories? Mike Pekka I didn't have. He was after me. He missed me. I like Mike Pekka. I've talked to him a few times. I really admire him as a player. Rick DiPietro, my favorite Rick DiPietro story is Donnie Waddell called me. The world championships were going on in Germany. So one pool was in Cologne, one pool was in Hanover. I was in Hanover. I actually borrowed Wayne Gretzky's car to drive through the tournament. But when someone said, you got to get over here in time to watch the warmup. I'm like, well, I always watch the

warmup. But why? And Donnie Waddell said, you got to get here to in time to watch the warmup. I'm like, well, I always watched the warmup, but why in dying? What else did you gotta get here to watch the warmups? I got there early. So what's so important about the warmup? They shot team USA. They told Rick B. Teatro, they didn't want him to handle a puck. He handled every puck.

So they started shooting his head in the warmup. Guys were going right by his ears. It was unbelievable to watch. He said, you're not gonna believe this watch. I can't believe no one fought him or I can't believe Deep Pietro didn't break his stick on someone. He shot by his head the whole warm up. Never seen like in my life. Yeah. You know, when I think of when I think of Rick Deep Pietro, first of all, I don't, I remember seeing him in his draft year. And I remember thinking to myself, like this guy looks like a bodybuilder. Like he was like, he like physically,

like I'm using like the defense, great athlete, but like, did he not look like a bodybuilder to you, Berkey? Like he was massive. And like, it wasn't just like thick, but he's like struck muscle on muscle. Yeah, Mike Rizani told me he's one of the best baseball prospects he'd ever seen. Really. Yeah. Micro-zomato wings, best baseball prospects you've ever seen. Really?

Yeah. You know, do you, um, there was a, there was a time with the Islanders. This would have been, I think when Garth Snow was, I think it was, yeah, Garth Snow would have been the manager and Chris Bata was the head of communications for the New York Islanders and they were trying to, as you managers like to do, Berkey, uh, lie about an injury and Ricky Pietro had, had many injuries and they were trying to, as you managers like to do, Berkey, lie about an injury, and Rick D. Pietro had many injuries, and they didn't want to disclose what it was publicly, and I wish I still had a copy of the press release

because I would frame it. It's one of my favorite press releases from a team ever, from the great Chris Bada. He said, Rick D. Pietro out, I don't know, four to six, two to four, I don't know, four to six, two to four. I don't know where it was. And the reason they gave was it was brilliant. General body soreness as a way to keep things as vague, non-spin general body

soreness, I'm like, that's everybody in the NHL Chris. I call him up. I'm like, first of all, that's a Picasso press release. Second of all, you just described there born in the league Well, it wasn't even Lou you can't blame Lou that wasn't his era. No, no that was that was Garth Stone Chris Craig It does sound like I'm giving you nothing you're getting two things nothing and like it. I'm little Amarillo. Thank you very much Okay, let's get this one this one. I don't know where, let's get, this one, I don't know where we're gonna go with this one,

but this from Puck Guy 14, a two parter. How much influence did Berkey have for the sharks coming into existence? Also, what would Berkey do with the sharks rebuild? Do you have anything to do with the sharks? Yeah, but I got a lot of credit for something. I was really packed when I tried to deflect this a number of times, but what happened was

we heard that Salon State was looking at getting a team and Pat called me in and said, you get down there and find out who's in charge and help. We want to add a team on the West Coast. We'll move heaven and earth to help them. So I call up Dean Monroe, who ended up being the mayor of San Jose, but at that point, the governor's right-hand man or something, really good guy, I called him and said, can we be

helpful in any way? He said, yeah, we've got a city council meeting coming up. So I flew to San Jose. I didn't even know where it was. I flew to San Francisco, drove to San Jose, went to the meeting. They were talking about building a 12,000 seat arena. We said, no, it's gotta be 15. They bumped it up. They showed me the site of the arena. We were generally helpful, but we didn't have any influence. We had some, I think we were helpful because of Pat, not because of me. So the answer to your question is I had very little to do with it. Whatever credit is owed to this Vancouver Canucks, because we were alpha. I give that credit to Pat Kline. He's the one who called me and said, look, you got to help here.

And that was because you guys wanted more teams on the West coast. That was more, more West coast hockey. Yep. Um, a couple of things speaking to West coast hockey, uh, the Vancouver Canucks, uh, officially eliminated from playoff contention this week I mean last season everything went perfectly people were up for individual awards the team stayed healthy players had career years everything worked this year was the opposites do you have a thought on what just happened this

season with the Vancouver Canucks? One of those Murphy's lies. You have years like that. Down the road gets hurt, you're all the drama. It's ready to this guy and they keep this guy. That guy gets hurt. So I think everything that's Murphy's law, everything that could go wrong, could go wrong. Teams have years like that.

The key's going to be how they bounce back and what ownership's response is. If there's major changes, which I don't think they need to make. And I think we have good people in charge, but we'll see. And there's rumors about teams being sold too. So who knows what happens next. It's never a dull moment in Vancouver. And, Berky, like, listen, you've worked in hotspots. Like you've worked in Toronto. You've worked in Calgary. You've never shied away from being in the middle of markets that are always hot.

Give us a sense of, for those that aren't familiar with Vancouver, I mean, you know it well. Like when it's hot in Vancouver, it's real hot and there's no off season. Give a thought on Vancouver. Yeah, the social media, most of the social media became harmful and difficult to deal with, evolved after I left. So when I was there, it was still a traditional market,

still a very positive hockey market. It still is. The majority of fans in Vancouver love their cronics. They want them to do well. They don't like the panic-stricken mobs and yelling, but there's a lunatic fringe. It's a social media fringe in Vancouver that dictates a lot of the coverage and they scream and yell about everything. They find negatives where they don't exist. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that, but I don't feel Jimmy Routesburg and Patrick Alveen having to deal with it. I don't even be them because it's nonstop there. They find something negative. If they had a parade, after they won the Stanley Cup, it would be ugly cards and parade.

That would be the headline. So there are, let me conclude on this one. I'm guessing you like Kiefer Sherwood, first of all. Like he seems like a Brian Burke kind of guy. So Kiefer Sherwood, let me get this out in front of me here. So I have this specifically. He's one goal away from the 20 goal, 300 hits plateau. There are only, it's only happened four times previous with three players, twice

with Dustin Brown, once with Brady Kachuk, and once with, and this is the one that will trip everybody up, Tanner Janow. Give us your thoughts. Let's conclude on this one. Like conclude on a positive here. You know, I'm sure Anaheim wishes they could have him back. I'm sure Nashville wishes they could have Vancouver's got him. Do you have a thought or two as we conclude here on Kiefer Sherwood?

Yeah, anyone who leads the league in hits, look at Cal Clutterbuck all his years. It's very subjective what it constitute a hit and what does not constitute a hit. Yeah. So I will say I saw some of the hits that were put up. This kid's a tough kid. He's legit. They're putting up a lot of hits that are borderline for me. So fade with a green and soft. I hope it's a 20 goal club and 300 in it, Mark.

He's legit 300, but maybe 30 or 40, those might be soft hits. You shouldn't get hit for swearing at a guy. Shouldn't get a hit for spitting at a guy. And that's what I think happened on the island in a couple of years. You would just like look toward, look mean at someone growl at someone when your name was. Just call them a multi-syllabic name. Yeah, and your name, and if there was a Martin

on the name bar or a Szyzikos or a Clutterbuck, you were getting two boxes checked for hits when you did that. I remember, honestly, we played a game on the island and we got the sheet afterwards and Amatya Solow down for six hits. We had him down for six hits that the islanders put down too. So there's a discrepancy between what's recorded and what's real. Trust me. Trust me. Collegues will work on that.

You know, it's funny, I was telling the story earlier this week of Dan McGillis, like when he was with Edmonton. Glenn Sather wanted to move him to the Philadelphia Flyers. Yanni Ninema would have gone the other way. And Slatz just bluntly said to the scorer, like, look, fluff up the numbers on the hits. This is before everyone's watching every single game every night. And all of a sudden, Dan McGillis is looking like a killer. Dan McGillis was a really good defenseman, wasn't shy, but it wasn't as if he was, you know, clocking 12 hits a game.

But Slatz made sure that Philly thought they were getting that guy. I was in the game in Boston Garden, the old Boston Garden. I was sitting with Nate Greenberg, the PR guy. Oh yeah. Great Nate. And the phone rings. We were getting outplayed badly. Shots were like 8 to 1. Bruins have one shot on that. Phone rings and Nate goes, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. Hang up. I said, what's that about? He said, Ares says, get some shots up there for us.

That's awesome. Bricky, we'll close on that one. You have a good rest of your day, rest of your week, and we'll catch up in seven days, Bill. Thanks, Jeff. See you guys. There he is. Brian Burke, Civilian Friday here. Always good catching up with Brian. We started, Zach, with Junior, and we finished up with Senior. Anything to jump out there from our conversation with Brian Burke for you? You're smiling.

Last story's pretty incredible. Get the shots up. Get some shots. Well, you know who would go crazy for that? And would like yell and scream at the scorers for it. And he told me this, like, we talk about this on the air, Doug McClain. When his team had like a bagel like start the game off and like shots are 12 nothing And he would just like start screaming to the bench

Screaming to the scores like get that zero off now Just put one put one Something help us please no Just put one, put one something. Help us, please. No. Berkey's great. That's a great way to start and finish the week. We do have to have Doug back on. It's been a little bit since we had him.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta get him back. He can tell the shot story. Yes. You know my favorite shot, remember what my- I told the cannon last time. You know what my favorite shot joke is? I do have a shot joke. What? I got 99 problems but the shots ate one!

No. I got 99 problems but the shots ate one? No, it's not good. I'm trying, man. I'm trying out my new material here. Hip, kids like it, no. Tough crowd here, man. I figured it's the weekend. You're gonna use it this weekend. You're gonna go out this weekend and get buckled and go, hey boys, I got 99 problems but the shots ain't one. Or you can start looking at scores like, oh the shots ain't one, I'm gonna take a

picture of that and tweet it out, I got none of that, problems, but the shots, and then throw out the screen cap. No? No, stop. You're never that, you're never that poor. I knew what the joke was, Jeff. I knew what the joke was when you said it. But the thing I'm trying to do here is I figure I'm at an age in my life where if I just keep

saying it over and over again it'll get funnier. No? Not working? No, I don't not working I don't think so but I will say if I I'm going to I am going to the Leafs Habs game tomorrow oh yeah if that is the shots there will be a tweet coming out yeah do it please grab grab the picture if the shots eight one anybody out there just tweet it to me people tweet me about sprung all the time Tweet me my favorite shot count eight one With the 99 problems with the shots yes

It's a little hockey joke. I like I give me like one like come on man. I got a humor myself here with a little hockey joke You've had better. I gotta keep you honest. Kids. Time now, everybody. The Crispy Inbox, presented by the Ninja Crispy 4-in-1 portable glass air fryer. Check this out. Meet the first of its kind. The Ninja Crispy Portable Cooking System. The power of a full-sized air fryer in the palm of your hand. So you can cook big or small batches. Just prep it, crisp it, serve it, and store it all in one. You know, it's like because there's like eight shots, it's like a Jay-ZZ song it's like a play on yeah I know it's an all-in-one system

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reading the chat how shash check hang on hang on I get roasted for man my oh Rochon just killing me yeah yeah yeah here's the email hey Jeff and Zach Phillips in brackets if that's really your name hang on that's not a grandpa joke what I'm getting killed in the chat. It's brutal. Alright, fine. Let's get to the email then. Crispy in box. Alright. Hey Jeff and Zach Phillips. If that's really your name, I recently heard an interview with the completely underrated Mike Richards talking about OV breaking the goal record. He mentioned what's almost more impressive is that he's closing in on the NHL all-time hit record as well, being less than 300 hits away from Cal Clutterbuck's current record.

Do you think he gets this one done? And if so, how does it add to his legacy? Side note, what hasn't Mike Richards won? What a guy. That's true. I know. Yeah. From FanDuel, shows there is a good chance Jeff has an obscure story from his Kitchener

Rangers days. I hope the good work. Cheers. I don't know. I don't know. I have an obscure story. First of all, like the hits record, like that's the thing about, like in order to get all those goals, you got to play a lot of games.

And the thing about Ovi is one of the things that I think has impressed a lot of people is just how healthy he stayed. I know he had the broken leg this year, but like, I don't know, like, did he go to Lourdes to like, heal up in holy water and come back like, stronger than ever? Like, holy smokes, I thought the Swedes were the quick healers, look at this Russian go. To me, the story of longevity and staying away

from like, the massive, massive injury has been a big story, and he doesn't play a shy game. Right, like, who was it that he put through the glass? No, he didn't put through the glass. His first, was his first shift in his first game, remember watching, it was Washington against Columbus and he just, was it David Viborny? It was somebody just like destroyed behind the,

behind the Columbus net. And I remember thinking to myself like Holy smokes this guy's hitting like a freight train Still his best hit was at the Olympics against Jagger by the way that one was yeah mass that one was awesome I think it's just like a side dish You know just like he's a guy that scored a ton of goals, and he puts himself And everybody else near him in harm's way. So I think it kind of adds to it. I think it just kind of makes it cooler that he's a guy that plays

a really tough power forward kind of game and he's avoided the big injury. He really has. Are injuries a matter of luck? Some say yes. Discuss. As for Mike Richards, one of my favorite stories about Mike Richards, I remember the World Junior Team, the tournament where everybody should have been playing in the NHL, 2005 in Grand Forks, probably Zach the best junior team ever, Assemble, that team went through everybody. It was a murderer's row of future Hall of Famers.

And mainly it was because those guys should had been playing in the NHL. But because there was a lockout, they all had to go back. So... So I remember watching the tournament, and then it was a Friday night game in London. There's no NHL game so I'm going to just like it's kind of a luxury so I'm going to like a ton of junior hockey games that year. Now you know London had their big run where they didn't lose at

all. Great team Corey Perry on the team, Rob Shrimp, Danny Savrette, like just Brandon Prost. Like really really good team Adam Dennis, Gerard Coleman and the Goaltenders really really good squad. Remember the first game back from the World Juniors Kitchener was in London I'm like hot dog this is going to be a good game so I'm doing the Leafs lunch show with Bill Waters I get off the air at two o'clock and I hop in the Batmobile and I'm driving to London. I'm just like this is Merrick, party of one, solo album, I'm going to watch junior hockey with me and Jesus. We're going together, just the two of us, and we're going to watch hockey. And I remember it was like oh yeah

it's Corey Perry and Mike Richards, teammates, cold metal, blah blah. And because it's Kitchener and London it's a pretty rough game and there's a scrum at Center Ice and who peels off to fight at Center Ice? Corey Perry and Mike Richards and I was like I think I was like four or five rows up at what was then called Budweiser Gardens I think it was called or was it John the Bat Center called, oh it was John the Bat Center then. It might have been John the Bat Center. And I just remember it because, and you can see it online, as those two peeled off, they're laughing. They're like, because

like five minutes ago they just had like gold medals around their neck and they're singing O Canada. Something similar happened in the Western Hockey League too. But I just remember like watching these two idiots, because they're just teammates a second ago, punching each other in the face, like Honesty's act, and laughing. You can see it online, like the fights out there. Like I remember watching, I'm hearing them like, it's like they're little boys giggling as they're like cracking each other's skulls and helmets just laughing and loving this dumb hockey life of yesterday we were on top of the world and we were winning the gold medal in grand forks at ralph engelstadt arena and now here we are the john lebat center throwing coconuts off the side of each other's heads.

That's my Mike Richards story. It's a fun game too. London was great that year. London was one of the best junior teams I ever saw too. That was great. That's great. Who else would have been on that London team, by the way? Cause I've been to Budweiser a few times

and the people they have out there is pretty crazy. And I remember there was a bunch on that team specifically, right? So I went down a few of them so this is the 0405 team so on that squad oh Dave Bowland was on that team yeah Dan Fritchie was on that team god he was good Mark Mathot was on that team see yeah Adam I mentioned Trump yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So Gerard Coleman, Adam Dennis they would have brought in from Guelph at the trade deadline. Dylan Hunter, who is a really, really good junior player. He

would have been born, he was Dale's kid, so he would have been born when Dale played with the Nordiques because he's from Quebec. Brian Rodney was a really underrated, he was an overager that year, defenseman for the London Knights. That was an awesome team, Brandon Prost, really was a really, really good player. That was an awesome team.

They just did not lose. Cameron with their record, I think one of the best records ever in the history of the CHL. And they cruised all the way, they won the Memorial Cup that year, and they beat Sidney Crosby's Wormuskie Oceanic. And I don't know that, just as a quick aside, did anyone from that

Oceanic team, other than Crosby, play in the NHL? other than Crosby playing the NHL. Ha ha ha ha ha. Bad type. This is what our show has become, just us, so. Mark Antoine Pouliot played in the NHL, so I'm wrong. But like, I thought Mario Scalzo was gonna play in the NHL. Nope. Jeffy was wrong about that one

Danny Rousin. Oh, yeah, Danny Stewart on that team No, Cedric Desjardins Okay, the goaltender played a handful of games. So yeah Pouliot and Desjardins Okay, so there were a couple and then that Crosby guy It's going to the Hall of Fame. That Crosby guy. Yeah. And Corey Perry. It's been fun. He's going to the Hall of Fame.

Yeah. What else we got here on the program today? We wrap up a Friday. Let's quickly shout out Duhaime and the fight. You talked about that with Berkey, but we had a call out. Oh yes! Yeah. I just wanted to give credit. This one came.

So basically after the show finishes it goes and you can watch back the show which people if they miss it or whatever you can go watch on YouTube there. But yesterday I go and look and I see a comment there shortly after the show maybe like 20 30 minutes after the show and it says this is from ZD baseball Duhame is gonna fight Chatfield I just started laughing because Jeff you and I had talked about who fights him who steps up who's the person in this instance I had not thought about Duhame and I read it and I was like ah interesting night goes on and then I see Duhame fights Traffield. Like, whoa, that, someone said that already.

He was firing rights, like, and those rights were coming from the seller. Like those were like with ill intent. Yeah. That was, that was, that was really something. That was, that was excellent. Imagine what his hand must've felt like after Jeff Duhame. I think about that all the time with fights now.

With like cracking on the side of helmets. Oh yeah, if you're watching us on YouTube, you can say Duhame, and Chadfield knows. Like Chadfield just like, okay, let's just get this over with. Like Duhame is cracking him on the side of his head. Like, oh. Eight, nine.

Those are powerful powerful powerful punches she's bombs to the side of his head and he's wearing a helmet can I tell you uh you know Brian Burke told that Brad May story about the fight with Derek Bougarde after he sucker punched Kim Yonc and so that would have been in the Anaheim Minnesota series and remember madeday hit like, with a glove on, punched him in the back of the head, concussed him. The big flashpoint moment in that series. And so the first game next year they're playing,

the first time they met Minnesota, Anaheim did, everyone knew like, okay, Mayday's gonna fight Bugard. And I remember Brad told me that Bugard toyed with him all game long. Like when you have a situation like that, like just what Chatfield went through. It's first chance, get it over with. Just get it, get it, you know, it's common.

Just get it over with. And what Mayday told me was that he lined up with Bougarde the first time. And so Mayday is like, okay, we're going to do this. And Derek was like, Nope, no, we're not doing this yet. They lined up with them again. Come on, let's do this. Nope. No, we're not doing this yet. They lined up with him again. Come on, let's do this. Nope. And he said this went on like three or four, maybe five times during the game. And Mayday said he was like, by the end he's just like, come on, like this, because part of it is just like mentally you're thinking to yourself, like let's just

get this over with, like I don't want to fight Derek Bogard,arde but here we go and he said oh I think he said it wasn't until like the third period he was lined up with with Bougarde and Bougarde just said now but like the whole game Bougarde was just toying with them like oh not yet no no we're not it's coming Mayday. It's cut, but not now It's coming. Just so you know just like may he's like oh man. Just like fuck with my head. It's like the whole It's just messing around with me the whole time can imagine I can imagine That's a scary guy to be just knowing that like a tired time at something You just want to get it over with like okay, like I just gotta take my medicine

Just give me the spoon. Let me just take it You're gonna be tortured tonight Never asked Rosie if he had those moments like I've heard so many stories I'm sure you have two of the guys going to bed thinking about the fight the next day trying to take a nap I would guarantee I would guarantee you I would guarantee I would guarantee you that he's had those sleepless nights because everybody because I don't I'm of the belief that like I'm of the belief that I don't think that anyone loves it. I've only met and known one person who loved doing that job.

And that was Tony Twist, who loved everything about it. I think Tony, when he retired, he won that lawsuit from McFarland toys and he bought a nightclub With part of the proceeds and bounced Work the door He's like there's a good chance I get in a fight here. Yeah, and it's probably the guy that's buckled so advantage me Yeah, I told me that that story I'm gonna pull the duck book in on this one not saying the truth I'm just saying what I heard but like yeah he was like the one guy that I've ever met who I can honestly

say that guy loved doing it I don't know that other guys like loved everything about it is such a just messes got him right in the mind just such a way just like really mess you up mentally just thinking about that or going like oh god I gotta fight this farm animal tomorrow what's my life gonna be like I'm sure Rosie had those nights for sure he must have he must have yeah and maybe he cat and mouse the guy too I don't know yeah we're doing this but not now He had some pretty unreal fights. I went in my

Like due diligence and looked back through he had some Healts and he also got called one of the funniest things I've ever heard that he is still not happy about to this day He got called me Lon Luch each. Yeah on a broadcast Jack Edwards called him a career hatchet man and oh yeah, oh yeah, he went to fight Lucic and then he said, we still joke with him about it but he called him a career hatchet man and said something along the lines of like, this is not the trade you want. Milan Lucic has 30 goals this year. J. Rose Hill might not score 30 in his career.

It's like, dude, come on. The thing about, okay, like I will, I don't like it, but like I will defend Jack. Jack is one of my favorite broadcasters because I love Homer broadcasters. I adore Homer broadcasters. I love Homer broadcasters. I adore Homer, Homer broadcasters. I really do. Jack took it to a whole new level. Like somehow everything became a part of or winked at like either the Civil War or the Boston

Tea Party or like you would be bringing examples from American history all the time during these during these crap. Now I loved it. I thought it was great but I always looked at those moments and said like okay like that is like that is that that's part of the show to me. Things like that. I know you're talking about another human being and it sucks but I will defend Jack that he's that at that point's at that point he's part of the show and he's trying he's trying to position the us and us and them and trying to big up his own guy at the expense of the other team. Yeah. See I always thought that it made a lot more sense like I only did play-by- a few times, mainly for American League games when I was at CBC. And I remember thinking like whenever I'd like try to

position like two guys that were gonna scrap, I always thought that it was better if you talked about how tough each one of them was, because then if someone wins the fight, it actually means more. Then if you just beat someone up, it's like, oh, this is gonna be like two punch and slip on a banana peel and the fight, it actually means more. Than if you just beat someone up and was like, oh, this is gonna be like two punch and slip on a banana peel and the fight's over.

That it never really made sense to me to position one as like overwhelmingly tougher than the other. And at the end of the day too, it's like a hockey fight. You wanna on a one eighth inch blade of steel, throwing fists, you know what I mean? I don't know. I uh,ights are weird.

Yeah look I get it the Jack Adderall stuff I think he did his job very well for Pruitt's fans. I love them. I was to the point of despising him so much. I wanted the Leafs to beat Boston for more than just the Leafs beating Boston at the end. Like this is going to be the thing that I say that that just makes me a bad person but it is what it is. I wanted them to beat Jack so that beat the Bruins so that Jack Edwards would go out having to have lost to the Maple Leafs in his like final calls and stuff. Like that was like my point. I was like get this guy out of here with a Leafs playoff series win. No, it ended up not being the case,

but I was just, oh, just so anti-Jack Edwards at that point. General Soreness, I hate Jack Edwards announcing the way Jeff Merrick hates the hockey song. Bless you, GS. Kim Banks, fights are weird. Yes they are, Kimmy. Yes they are. Okay.

We got games tonight. Let's get there. We got games tonight. Not as many as last night, but nonetheless we have games tonight. And we want to remind you as always, FanDuel, proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. North America's number one sports book app provider, our friends, our partners, FanDuel.

And coming up today, let me blaze through these games here because there's something that you wanted to point out as well, and we'll get here in a second. Montreal faces off against Ottawa. I'm really glad both these teams are in the playoffs. I know with Montreal, like we're right there. I'm really, really happy that we're going to see this. Tampa Bay faces off against Red Wings. Pittsburgh takes on New Jersey, the Prudential Center, San Jose versus the Edmonton.

How many players can we dress tonight? Oilers. The Minnesota Wild Calgary flames. Like Minnesota, like this is is like this is the season. Like the tragic number is three. Like Calgary still has a mathematical chance and if they have anything like this is it. This is the this is the empty the tank game for the Calgary Flames. Dustin Wolf gets a start there. Again, this is the one the Calgary Flames. Dustin Wolf gets a start there. Again, this is the one that Calgary Flames have to have to keep any flicker of hope alive. But you wanted to talk about something else. Yeah, I was really interested in the awards conversation

that you and Wish had. And the Hello Buck stuff keeps coming up about could he win, could he win, does he deserve to win, et cetera. And I was looking at the FanDuel odds, which we talked about yesterday, and then they get a four nothing win last night. He gets the shutout. I take a look at FanDuel today, Jeff, and he's the leader on FanDuel to win the heart trophy now.

So blank in the stars. Yeah. From blanking Dallas and the odds board courtesy of Fandual Hellebuck yesterday was plus 140 dry saddle was minus 180 obviously their Kutrava McKinnon were the next ones but now today after a shutout minus 125 for Hellebuck the leader and dry saddle minus 105 I just thought it was interesting like the flip there last night obviously was an important game, but how much recency bias, okay,

that's maybe the wrong way to put it because it's a full body of work throughout the entire season. But to go one game with a shutout where it flips like that, that's a big swing in the off. But that's their biggest. Minus 180 for Dreisel to that. But isn't that their biggest game

maybe of the year? Last night against Dallas? Because that told that like Dallas is not finishing they wrapped up first place. Yes. That was their, Dallas and it was

it was statement by the Winnipeg jets. That was their biggest game of the year. I know. So, and there in the middle of it is Kyle Connor. And as someone from, as someone from another team who shall remain nameless reminded me yesterday watching that game, something along the lines of, I grabbed the text, something along the lines of, oh the text something along the lines of oh there's Kyle Conner again doing Kyle

Conner things remember when he was scratched for Matthew Kachak who couldn't play at the four nations I'm like yes I do think we all do yeah it's an American I know by the way so the the thing that makes this more important or more interesting to me Jeff is Do you know who plays against each other on Sunday? You want me to cheat and get the skid? It's the Edmonton Oilers and the Winnipeg Jets Winnipeg Jets and Oilers yeah

If Dricidal scores, let's say he comes back and he scores three goals You get where I'm going? Like what is he? Flip flop, flip flop. Here's what I think the point is. It is like the margin is like so razor thin between like Halibuck and Dreisaitl and McKinnon and Kucherov. Again, I'll throw a Vechkin in there. I don't know how, he's not part of the conversation, but here we are. I think that's more indicative of,

this is so razor, razor thin. Like, let me ask you this, let me ask you this. So, Tampa's playing, what has Tampa got here? Tampa's got Detroit, okay? Tampa's got Detroit. What if Kuturov goes off for five points? And then gets like another five points against what they got here? Buffalo. Like, McKinnon's shut down. So like, what if Kuturov just like lays waste? All of a sudden, where does he go in the next couple of games in that discussion? Yeah, what if they win the Atlantic too? What if he does that? They go three and four and oh, I think they have four games left for no, he puts up an outrageous amount of points

over the next stretch. Like these are the way that when it gets so interesting, because Kuturov I think should the odds shouldn't be where he's at right now. And I'm watching dry side on Hellebuck flip back and forth and Kucherov bumps down to plus 5500 they're watching and it's like okay he's getting counted out a little bit some of the stuff so hmm I just I wonder I wonder like McKinnon to me is out he's not winning the heart that's out the Kucherov is still alive in my mind Okay, I want to show something here as we get off the air, yeah What's weirder

Do we have the visit the airport with Ivan debbadov? No, I couldn't download that video, okay So we've I think everybody has seen like if you're watching or listening to a show like this you've seen the Habs fans at Pearson. Personally I loved it I thought it was great you know Tony throughout the video last night the live cam which was fantastic just loved that I thought it was great Like I know there's a lot of people like tut tutting it online.

Like, oh, come on people, this is, no it's not really, these are hockey fans that love their team. And here comes this like potential superstar as your team is going to the playoffs. Like I think it's fantastic. Did the kid feel overwhelmed? Yeah, probably, but you're going to Montreal.

It's not gonna get any better. That's what it's gonna be like. Everyone's in love with you right now. Everyone's excited about you. I thought that was fantastic. And then this other video popped up online today on Instagram, and Amel, our boss, I like to call Amel our boss, our boss, Amel Delich,

sent me this video that popped up. You want to fire this one off? You're a leaf lover. Let's fire this video off. This one hits you where you live, Zach Phillips. Watch this. So we're here at Park Lawn Cemetery. You guys are gonna think I'm a little fucked up, but we brought the Stanley Cup to Harold Ballard's grave. This is his actual grave and we're gonna perform a little ritual here to lift the Harold Ballard's grave. This is his actual grave and we're going to perform a little ritual here to lift the Harold Ballard curse. So good. So April 20th, 1990 was my first day working at that cemetery. That's Parklawn.

I would, that is in section AA. It's right at the corner of Prince Edward and Bloor. I know that cemetery like the back of my hand. Also, for those of you that collect macabre hockey history, Con Smythe is buried at Parkland Cemetery. I would see his stone every day and we'd always take care of the Ballard stone, but on my first day we helped, or I helped, whose hair is better today, you jerk, on our pool, helped bury Harold Ballard and then would take care of the grave.

I'd always go by there. I'd always make the joke to every single Leafs fan that Zach, everybody complained about Harold Ballard, but only one person did something about it. That's good. You like that one? Is that better than 8-1? Yeah, I like that. Is that better than 8-1? Yeah, that's better than 8-1. Everybody complained about the old man, but only one person did something about it. Yeah, I like that one. Thanks, man. Yeah, I spent a lot of summers working at Parkland. Loved it.

Wendy Enright was my boss. She was a huge hockey fan, too. So when you were there that day, I had a serious question. Was it like... Zoo, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I remember because our foreman, like don't forget too, like Yolanda, his wife, there was, I believe it was a family injunction against her. So she couldn't be within, was like 50 meters or 100 meters of Ballard property.

And at that point, I don't know where ownership is now, I think the Ballards owned 50% of Parkland Cemetery. Rob Ford's buried there now too, by the way. Oh, interesting. You wanna hear a weird cemetery story? I got a million of them. One day we'll do a show on cemetery stories. One of the most interesting funerals I was ever at at Parkland when

I was working there. This was a horrible, horrible story. This woman was on the back of her husband's motorcycle and fell off and died. Now her husband was part of a motorcycle club which shall remain nameless and but her family like dad was like a major executive for a major grocery chain so it was a combination of like really expensive cars and Harley-Davidson's right and I remember there's like a hundred Harley-Davidson's and it sounded like it's a beautiful like July afternoon and it sounded like like a was a beautiful July afternoon. And it sounded like thunder was rolling through,

but it was all these Harley's coming at the same time. So, had the funeral and we were in the shed and a couple of the bikers came in and they had a case of beer. And we were all around the lunchroom table and the bikers came in and said, hey guys, and they put the box of beer down on our table and said,

give us the shovels. And we were like, what? They go, the beer is for you. Stay here. Give us your shovels. We bury our own. Don't be offended by it, but we don't let anyone throw dirt on the coffin of any of ours. I really, really like that. I really like it. I was like you know what? Respect. We bury our own. Here's a box of beer guys. Enjoy. We bury our own. It's very like mafia mob. 100%. Yeah. There was speaking of which there was a cop funeral there once and my foreman Keith said hey go look At the big wreath there's a day before and I'm like, yeah, it's massive

Like this must have cost like hundreds and hundreds of dollars. He goes go look at the card. I'm like there isn't a card He goes. Yep. That's right Come on, Zach! Big huge wreath, cop funeral, no card. West end of the city. I'll explain the T.F. for the show, young man. But the shots ain't won! But the shots ain't won!

Let's go! Yeah, right. Thanks to Berkey for stopping by. Thanks for your patience. I know we've gone overboard and over time in a lot of the shows this week. My fault. I'll fall on the knife for that one. Been worried this week. On a somber note, condolences once again to the other friends in the family of Greg Millen and Ray Shiro and Mark LaForest as well. It's been an awful week. Hopefully you can have a laugh this weekend and enjoy some hockey. The program returns on Monday 3 o'clock Eastern. Don't forget Monday as well.

Morning Cup of Hockey 9 o'clock Eastern. Johnny Lazarus and Colby Cohen who should be back and maybe even sober from the Frozen Four on the weekend. Good luck to Western Michigan. Good luck to Boston University and whatever happens afterwards with players going their separate ways. Enjoy your hockey this weekend. We're back on Monday. It's, listen, playoff time is right around the corner. We've got some good stuff planned for you. So hope you can stick with us here, whether it's on YouTube or your favorite podcast platform. Thanks again to Brian Burke here every Friday here on the program. For Civilian Fridays, as some of you like to call it, or just call it Hey Burkey or

Burkey Fridays, whatever. On behalf of our producer Zach, Merrick signing off. We'll talk to you Monday. Have a great week. I'm not against those methods but I knew It's me, myself and how this gon' be fixing my mind I feel on the record I turn down the music I feel on the record

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