The Sheet with Jeff Marek - The Kraken, Cooley, and the Sabres ft. Alison Lukan & David Pagnotta

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

The Sheet rolls on with a jam-packed Friday edition! Jeff Marek opens the show reflecting on Jaromir Jagr’s unbelievable 38th professional season and his enduring legacy — the player who refuses to stop playing. Then, Seattle Kraken analyst Alison Lukan joins to break down the Kraken’s strong start under new head coach Lane Lambert, early standouts like Joey Daccord and Vince Dunn, the future of Berkly Catton, and how Seattle is quietly building into a Western Conference contender. Later, Jeff is joined by David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period to go deep on the latest insider buzz around the league — from Alex Tuch’s contract pause in Buffalo and the Sabres’ internal struggles to Logan Cooley’s negotiations in Utah, Mike Matheson’s situation in Montreal, and the evolving 2026 cap landscape. Plus, Jeff’s “Crave the Stats” segment, presented by Uber Eats, revisits October 17th milestones in NHL history — from Rocket Richard’s first hat trick to Jari Kurri’s 500th goal.SHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Bauer: https://www.bauer.com/👍🏼Shark Ninja: https://www.sharkninja.ca/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system/FN101CGY.html?utm_source=Better+Collective&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=H2+Air+Fryer&utm_content=EN👍🏼Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/ca👍🏼Prime Video: https://primevideo-row.pxf.io/c/5560083/3303015/20020Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You know what's happening today? Friday, October 17th, welcome to the program, by the way. Friday, October 17th, welcome to the street once again. Zach, I want to get your thoughts on this one. Maybe I'll ask both of our guests on the show today, their thoughts on this one. Yarmir Yager is playing. Cladno is playing tonight. He's playing his first game of the season.

which makes 38 seasons of professional hockey. Yarmir Yager. 38's an insane number because I had the realization Sidney Crosby was playing in his 21st, and I went, that's a lot of hockey. No. 38. 38.

So much of it has been about, you know, keeping Cladno float, and we get it. Like, why he's still, he's still, doing it, and many have made the point, and I think rightfully so, that Yager should go down as one of those players that you waive the waiting period for, even though technically he's still playing, just like, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just wave it and put Yager in. I mean, how many players have had, you know, complete careers and gone to the Hall of Fame since Yager started playing?

The list is, is, is pretty sizable. Yeah. This is pretty sizable. Like, this guy's just going to keep playing. He is, you've heard me say this before. I'm not a big fan of the idea of players, quote unquote, it's an old acting phrase, leaving the stage while they're still clapping. Like, you've got to be top of your game and then you're like, peace out because that's

how you're going to remember me. Top of the game, boom. Like, you know, Nick Listern's still getting Norris votes and he's piecing out. Like, I like the guys that you have to drag off the ice. Yeah. As long as someone's going to hire you to play hockey and you still love doing it, just keep playing until they drag. you off the ice

and if there is one player that I really want because you know I have all these like little ideas and fantasies about how things should begin and end if there's one player yeah yeah I know it's true

I obsess about things like this if there's one player who I want to see during his last after his last game leave his skates at center ice and walk off it's yager yeah Someone who has that element of showmanship who would go to center ice,

untie his skates, leave him at center ice, walk off, spotlight on the skates. Image forever. But the problem would be he would stop playing. Wet feet, sure, that's the problem. He would stop playing games. He would still be at the arena. Like he would be there the next morning. Still be running stairs and his wait fast.

Yeah. Be back in the gym He'll be done in games He's like, okay, I physically cannot do this part of it anymore But I'm not leaving There's a picture And I got to, someone told me it once I got to find the old picture

There's a picture you can find it on Google images Like I'm going to send people down this rabbit hole all week And try to find this image Of a minor league player Walking off the ice With his stick over his shoulder And his skates on his stick And I've been trying to find

the backstory to all of it. It's got to be from, the guy's got like a look from the 70s with like the feathers and the beard and the whole deal. And I'm trying to find out who that is and what the backstory on that one was. That is the closest I've seen to someone retiring, leaving their skates on the ice and walking off. But this is a player who's like, and you can tell it's like a semi-professional league or a minor league or something like that, walking off the ice with the skates on stick leaving the game but anyway how do we get into this see if i can find it five minutes deep i've

already sent you down a goose chase for some random hockey player from the 70s who's walking off the ice getting his feet wet is that all you got today is that that that all you got today merrick that's why i tune into the sheet today some goofy story about minor league hockey players and yager suiting up that is actually a cool story yager and season 38 that's that's That's great. That's awesome. Anyhow, okay, welcome to the program. We'll have a lot to get to today with someone who I've wanted to have on for a while now,

and that's Alison Lucan, analyst for the Seattle Cracken, who are still undefeated in regulation. We should remind everybody. So congratulations on Seattle, as we all predicted. I'm really curious to get Allison's thoughts on Lane Lambert, because there's some guys you always wonder, okay, what's going to happen when they get the keys, when they get the keys of the car and finally get the drive? Like, he ran shotgun for so long with Barry Trots as an assistant coach. It was a finalist, I believe, for the Anaheim job. He's interviewed for a number of head coaching positions,

and he finally gets it here with Seattle. And I know we're, what, four games into the Cracken season, but I'm curious about her thoughts on Lane Lambert. She's seen a couple of coaches come and go already with the Seattle Cracken. So looking forward to talking to her about that. I'm not sure what exactly you watched last night. I wonder. But the one game that I really focused on last night was Vancouver and Dallas.

We'll talk about that coming up on the program at some point. Dave Pan yoda will stop by. And we'll probably, you know, he had a really good, you know, our daily DFO Rundown. We need to have a snappier title for this show, by the way. DFO Rundown Insiders Edition show this week with our fan Gapar. Brian Bartlett, the agent, stopped by. Alex Tucks, one of his guys, Logan Cooley, is one of his guys. My personal theory, and I'll share this with Dave,

on what's happening with Logan Cooley and Utah right now is, I really do think that Armstrong is trying to set a ceiling for the team with Logan Cooley. Like this is going to be the contract that, okay, this is the one we're setting, boom, and no one's going above it. The salary cap is going, but maybe it's a percentage idea. But right now, what he's trying to do is set an internal ceiling with Logan Cooley. I'm curious to see what Dave's thoughts are on that coming up here in a little while on the program. Okay, coming up on the program, as you all know, the blueprint is powered by Fanduil.

The show is powered by Fandul. Make every moment more with North America's number one sports book, Fan Duel. And as I just mentioned, a couple of special guests. We're going to have Dave on. I think the plan is every Friday here on the show, Dave Panyoda from the fourth period and Daily face-off insider as well. So we'll send you into each weekend with some news from Dave. So we'll talk to Dave coming up in a little bit.

We'll talk to Allison Lucan, who's going to be joining me here in about two minutes. And we'll talk about the Seattle Cracken and their surprising story. Is Vince Dunback? That's another one we should probably get into. He's had a wonderful start to this season. And there's a couple of other sort of lesser-known players. I do want to get her thought on Berkeley Catton and what the plan is there for that first-round draft pick of the Seattle Cracken.

talk about, talk, we'll talk about Cooley with Dave Panyoda. We will also talk about Mike Matheson, the Montreal Canadiens now that Lane Hudson is signed sealed and delivers for eight years at a very reasonable price. Thank you very much. What's next for the Montreal Canadians by way of pen and paper and the latest going on around the NHL? In the meantime, she is a double threat. She is an analyst for the Seattle Cracken. She is also part of the Troika that is the Too Many Men podcast. And normally, Alison Lucan, when I say the Too Many Men podcast, we're referring to

Shannon Goldman, who's a regular on this program, who you and I both adore. It is really nice, though, to see your smiling face and talk Seattle and NHL issues with you. And when I say NHL issues, long-winded way here of me to get to my first question. You and I first met when you were working at the athletic covering the Columbus Blue Jackets. that's when we first started our friendship. Cam Atkinson just called it a career. I'm suspect in considering that you tweeted about her recently, you were a fan of the player, you were a fan of the person.

When I say Cam Atkinson, what comes to your mind? Yeah, you know, I think that, first of all, it is a delight to be with you, Jeff. You and Shana, two of my favorite people in the whole world, always. She's great. She's awesome. Amazing. No, but Cam Atkinson is also amazing.

And I, it was funny as I was thinking back to Cam and what he did on the ice and off. That was the first story I ever wrote to use numbers to prove a point about a player that I didn't think people were seeing. So he and I kind of aligned. Yeah, but if he doesn't know that, he doesn't care. But if you go back to what he did, he was drafted in the sixth round. He was quote unquote small. And, you know, we all point to and rightly. because he was such a talent Johnny Goddrow as kind of that revolution of small players.

But Cam Atkinson was in there too. And what he did for the Blue Jackets, the passion, the connection he showed for the city. He still lives there for the team. He's just been phenomenal, a huge part of that sweep of the Tampa Bay Lightning back in the playoffs. And just a special human, he's staying in Columbus. He's building, he's built the Battery Academy that's a youth geared. place for kids to learn how to skate and play. His kids are starting to play in Columbus.

So I couldn't be more happy for him. He's a class act. And congratulations to him for a career well played. Yeah, you know, and it's players like Cam Atkinson and others. And you mentioned Johnny Goddrault, and he's another, he's another giant amongst this point. You know, the old saying in hockey and it's been true forever. And you can make the argument, it's true, although in a minor key, mind you, it's still true to this day. and that is a small player has to prove he can play,

a big player has to prove that he can't. That still exists. There is still that sort of bias. Oh, look, we got this big kid, and we're going to stick with him until he proves that he can't play, and it's the opposite for smaller players. Now, do you, though, do you find that changing?

This is sort of an NHL-at-large question that we're starting to tilt a little bit more towards the default to larger players? yeah i mean i think you know again we go in trends right we see this if a cup team like the blues wins with you know a massive back end everyone wants size on the defense and i think there it might still be a little bit more relevant but it's funny i was actually having this conversation with crackin captain jordan everly going into the season and he was just remarking on how much skill these young players have now and he's like if they have skill size is no longer a barrier

If you can see the skill, if they can elude, if they can evade, if they are quick, the size isn't as important as it used to be. And I think that's exciting. And I, again, to give the guy as flowers, I give people like Cam Atkinson flowers for opening eyes to see that that can be true. Jordan Eberley, like, when he, I remember watching with the Regina, but he was one of those guys. He was like those small. I'll tell you a quick, funny story about Jordan Eberley. I can remember talking to one of the NHL media tours. I think it might, I think it was Chicago.

And we were reminiscing about his first game with the Edmonton Oilers. And it was the Battle of Alberta, Edminton. You know where I'm going with this one. I can tell you. So it's his first game. And it's that great play where he comes down the wing and it's a tow drag. You know, fire makes a great move. And it would have been Kipersoff, I think, was a goaltender at the time.

And we were reminiscing about that. And he goes, yeah, well, here's the difference between then and now. So back then, I want to make that move and dangle everybody. Now I'd just come down the wing. I'd probably shoot far pad so I could, you know, create a rebound for the second person on the two. I goes, that's the difference. Back then, I would try everything now just like, yeah, safe play, shoot for the far pad. I guess it happens to all of them.

One more thought. One more thought on Columbus. And we're going to get to Seattle here. So here's my one final, because you referenced that Tampa series, which was so massive for the history of the Columbus Blue Jackets. I still maintain, like so that first period of game, one it's correct me if I'm wrong here it's three nothing Tampa okay it's three nothing and we're all expecting goalie change torts ain't gonna put up with this and he leaves Bobrovsky in and he turned in one of the great performances of that year's

playoffs I maintain that that was the best non goalie pull I've ever seen and it led to a sweep what do you remember from that and was that the best non pull because I don't think I'm in the mind. We're all thinking, Torts is given the hook. Bob's sitting after this. Was that like the best non-pole you've ever seen? Well, it was, and it's also funny, those of us who've been around for a while always laugh, because before that series, playoff Bob meant an entirely different thing than it means now in Florida. Oh, that's true. It was his Achilles heel. He was great in the regular season, and then he falters in the playoffs. And to not pull Bob, and then also what we all laugh at,

who covered that series is, you know, I think it was ESPN ran with the locker room speech that Torts gave because Torts was incensed. No one was talking about Columbus. Everyone was talking about Tampa. No one was giving Columbus even a shred of consideration. And he was so fired up by that. He gives that amazing, quote unquote, speech to start the game.

But that's when they came out flat. Everyone thinks the speech happened between period one and two. It didn't. It happened before the game. So that's something we like to tease Torts about to this day. So he went Herbie early. Never go Herbie early. He went Herbie early on that.

She saved that one for the first. But he used up the Herbie in the pregame and he had nothing left. And just cross your fingers and throw salt over your shoulder for Bob. And that's a great point, by the way, about the reputation of playoff Bob, how things have changed. And now he's going to the Hall of Fame. Like if he doesn't make that that breakaway save on Brad Marchand, he might be traded. Now we're talking about Bob going to the Hockey Hall of Fame. It's fascinating, hey, just tiny little things.

Okay, hey, don't look now, but the Cracken have it lost in regulation. Have a look at the Seattle Cracken now, and a couple of things come to mind. One, Joey DeCord, and I remember watching Joey Decord play for the Brampton Beast down the street here in the ECHL. And when you see that, Allison, you say to yourself, okay, maybe is it time to quit hockey and grow up? Maybe is it time, you know, is it time to stop being a little boy and playing hockey. Now it's time to grow up. We're all thrilled for Joey to court, and he's been fantastic. But I want to ask you about Lane Lambert.

And what you've noticed so far in Lane Lambert. We've seen him ride shotgun with coaches for years, most notably Barry Trots. It's early, but what have you noticed so far? Yeah, you know, it's early, as you say. But in talking to Lane, I think Lane is the exact energy and mind that this group needs. He is a player's coach by his own admission. takes time to get to know these guys, to connect with these guys authentically. But he's also going to hold them accountable. I mean, we watched him day one of training camp. If a drill wasn't

going right, it didn't matter if it was Jordan Eberley or Berkeley Caton or Philip Grubauer, the drill was stopping. And they were going to work until they got the drill correct. And I think that what we're hearing from the room is that that is what this specific group of guys craved and needed. They are so genuinely enthusiastic about a accountability, details, being aggressive, playing with energy, they love what he's bringing to the room. And again, it's early, but they're getting results, right? And so that is reinforcing what he's asking them to do. And I think the other thing that has been really impressive to me, I had the opportunity to talk with him in the offseason about how he thinks about the game.

And I really like his blend of respect for the game, but also wanting to advance the game. He gave a great answer to an interview our Piper Shaw did with him on the road about the game has changed what do you see and you know a lot of times you ask an old hockey guy that and they go oh you know back in the day and lane said i think it's better lane was like i think this is great and you know he loves an aggressive penalty kill which you know i love my power kill he loves activating from the back end he loves an active goaltender like joey decor so i really appreciate the melding of strategic thinking he's bringing right now as well. Who's this Berkeley Caton fella that you mentioned?

I watch Seattle Cracking Games. I don't see this. Who's this Berkeley Caton fella? And when might we see him, Allison? Well, Jason Botterol is certainly not telling me when we might see him, nor is Lane Lambert. But, you know, I think that this, we all know, right, this CHL rule, which fortunately goes away next year, in my opinion,

really hamstrings the teams. we'll see when he might get a look on NHL ice, but you watch him in drills, you watch him in practice. You know, he's got the tools. And people I talk to, you know, they say, you know, this is a guy who's going to be a difference maker

when he locks it down. His shot. Yeah, his shot is insane, Alice. You know, you're right there. His shot is ridiculous. And, you know, I see him too improving. Like last year when we saw him, he was used to just being fast and shooting well.

And this year he came into camp, with a better ability to evade hits because again he is quote-unquote smaller in stature and protect the puck to get it where he needs to be his preseason some great moments also some moments where you're like that's a learning moment for you but you know he's traveling with the team he's working with development coach justin rye who's just an excellent resource for him and you know Shane wright is proving to be coming along at the right timetable so I'm going to be the last person to question when the crackin decide to put him into a game Fall is here and everybody's getting back from vacation,

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easy read fast. And it wasn't until Adam Fantilli learned to change things up and not play every single situation at full speed that you start to become a more dynamic player. And you look at, you look at Fantilli's second half last year, five on five. So I'm staying at great points. And he's not getting a sniff of the power. play um but that's interesting they mentioned that with with berkeley cat to me it's it's one of the touchstones for when you see a player starting to develop and starting to learn how to play at the nchl when they stop trying to play everything at time i can understand the instinct oh man the nchl everything's so fast fast this is what i have to do but it's not and it's different for everybody

that light goes off and you say allison like hang on i don't have to do everything at a million miles an hour you know what i mean for sure so elsewhere on the seattle Cracket. Is it just me or does Vince Dunn look different this year? Are we seeing, although it's young in his career, are we seeing a renaissance here of Vince Dunn? And the follow-up to that is, considering he's an Ontario guy, is he playing for free tomorrow night? How many tickets? I feel like when we get to the GTA, there's probably a handful of guys on every team that are playing for free, right? You know, Jared McCann as well. But, you know, people don't, and I understand, I used to live on the East Coast. If you're on the East Coast, you don't follow every West Coast team as closely as you

can. But Vince Dunn started last season at not 100%. He didn't have a full preseason. He didn't have a full camp. He does start the season and then he misses 20 games pretty early. So that hampers him last year as it is. But if you look at what he does, and I mentioned this with Lambert's tendencies and what he likes to see systematically, when Vince Dunn is healthy, every year he's been with the Cracken. He's in the top three in the league in terms of defenders who complete successful stretch passes. And he is a player that when he's not on the ice, you can see the team geared down if they're not fully healthy. Because he is the kind of guy where he certainly is offensively talented and he's been showing that early here. He has that mindset. But the way

he plays makes everyone on the ice better. And I think that he doesn't get enough credit for what he does for this team in particular. And when you look at, again, the combination of a Vince Dunn and when Joey DeCord is in the back end and then Adam Larson, who is Vince Dunn's most common partner there on the blue line, you've got the perfect scenario

for a nice, quick, fast breakout that then you can feed up to your forwards to start attacking offensively. I'm curious what we should expect. We talk so much about, you know, potential, potential, with the Seattle Cracken.

What is right now, as you see it right now, like how good can this team be? We know this is still a team that's, you know, land brick, land brick, land brick, land brick, land brick. How quick do you think they can get there? Yeah, it's a great question. And you know, it's funny, the Cracken are now, they're two, oh, and two. They haven't lost in regulation. And there were some disgruntled fans in my mentions on social yesterday. And I was like, guys, come on.

Like if we had told you this team had six points in their first four games with this schedule, I think you would have been thrilled. But I get it and I appreciate the passion. You know, Jason Botterol was honest this offseason. He said this team is not one player away from consistent cup contention, but they need to build. They took some good steps this summer with some pieces they brought in. What I've always wanted is this team, I think if they perform to their capabilities, they don't even need to overachieve. This is a team that is in the playoff conversation right up and until and through March. The first goal for this group is to become a consistent playoff appearance team.

You know, they have some injuries. They're dealing with Capo Caco, who became a huge part of the offense. He's out for October in the first little bit of November. Riker Evans is out on the back end. And then Freddie Goddrow, who's been just a really wonderful piece to join this roster, was put on IR this morning. So we'll see what the Cracken will do. They've called up John Hayden, who's another great depth forward as well.

If they can survive these injuries and every team's dealing with it, I know I'm not going to get any sympathy from that. Under Lane Lambert's system, they really can be in the conversation if they hold themselves accountable to the standard that they've established. What should we know about Yanni Newman? Yanni Newman. What a great story, right? This kid comes over two years ago, doesn't speak a lick of English.

One of our scouts helps get him from. You know, New York and Toronto, Montreal over into Coachella where he can play a couple of games. Plays last year, gets called up to the NHL scores in his first NHL game. His parents are in the stands. It was awesome. Big body, tremendous bomb of a shot. Needs to work on continuing to get faster with his feet, right? They've got him in a fourth line role right now.

And you and I were talking about this offline, but Coach Jessica Campbell told us during one of the intermissions on our broadcast. that they've been working with him. He wants to shoot. He wants to take that big shot from the right. He knows that his weapon. But the coaches want him to also get more comfortable using his body to get net front because he's so hard to not just push off the puck to push in general. So they're trying to get him there.

And he gets there and he gets a goal. Now it wasn't a skill play, but he was there. And that's what made the puck go in the net. So we're seeing him round out his game. As the team gets healthy, I mentioned some of the injuries. Can he hold on? onto a spot, we'll see. But the future looks bright for him

in this very specific role of what he can be as a player. Okay, I'm going to ask you a question as a Canadian. I try to be country neutral on this program. Here we go. I'm going to talk to you as someone from neighboring Kanakistan up here. So I'm going to go back to Berkeley Caton. Is there a chance, and we saw this with Shane Wright, that they make them available for the world juniors?

I mean there certainly could be right I mean why not it's ultimately guys need to play the issue again is guys need to play with a competition level that pushes them forward that challenges them that makes them learn all the lessons we were just talking about earlier about you just don't go and fly a hundred miles an hour with your hair on fire so if that's the right spot for him I know that this organization highly values what Berkeley Caton can do and they're going to be very thoughtful thoughtful about where he should be. Excellent. Alison, your delight as always. It's a zoo in Toronto, as you all know, and as you mentioned,

all the players playing for free. Enjoy everything the city of Toronto has to offer. And may I recommend the hockey Hall of Fame if you get a chance?

Whenever anyone asks, I'm going to, I'm going to Toronto. What should I do? Go to the Hall of Fame. Go to the Hall of Fame. That's what you should do. Enjoy.

We'll chat soon. All right. And, Jeff, you didn't acknowledge. I said, go Mariners. Oh, how dare you? Where were the Mariners? Cana made me. Did you see the old

Psycho Max Scherzer on the mound? The crazy psychopath one more time, just cranking it up. Oh, even... Two colored eyes. Can't be trusted. Can't be trusted. It's like Connor Timins, the Buffalo Sabres. One blue and one brown.

Look at you go. Awesome. Allison, you're the best. Thanks so much for this. Go blue, Jason. You're the best, Jeff. See you soon. Allison Lucan.

God, she's good. Analyst for the Seattle Cracken and a big part of the Too Many Men podcast, which you hear us talking about on a consistent basis around these parts. I have no idea, Zach, how good the Seattle Cracken are going to be this year. To me, like, they're a wild card. They're a wild, not like literally a wild card team, but like they're, like, I just, I just don't know. Like, to me, the ceiling is can they be a wild card this team this year

and get back into the playoffs? Health has got to be good. Joey Decord probably needs to be a candidate for the Vesda Trophy. And early on, so far so good. Like, you know, you've heard me talk about, like, I cheer for people, I cheer for people, I cheer for people. I'm about 40 minutes away from where the Brampton Beast played. And I went and watched a couple of Beast games when Joey Decord was there. And it really, you know what it's like for some players in the ECHL.

You're like, okay, this is last stop. now it's time to grow up and I'm just so happy that this guy that this guy has not only stuck with it but has thrived some of the earliest I'll tell you something there's a guy that's the guy that's name of Jim Rose

so Jim Rose used to run you should find this really cool and I used to go see all the shows they were so much fun used to run this like Psycho Circus Get a lot of homework A lot of homework this week The Jim Rose Circus

Here's what I want you to look up later on The Jim Rose Circus Okay So this was a circus that turned around with like Lola Palooza in the early 90s. It's like Perry Farrell and Nine-Each Nails. And Jim would fit right in with all of it, this bizarre psycho circus.

And I had a chance to interview him in my first job in radio at the fans, me, Straumbo and McAwitz. And we went out to lunch with them and did a long interview with him. And I sort of pulled them aside to talk to him a little bit. And we were chatting and he said, you're just starting your career, right? And I said, yeah. he said just so you know you're going to get to a certain point in your career just understand

that it's coming i always share this story with younger broadcaster it's coming this point in your career is coming and i said what's that he goes there's going to come a point in your career where you're going to have to make a choice do i quit or work harder do i quit or work harder and there's no obvious answer and sometimes the wrong answer is keep going sometimes the right answer is quit it's a harsh one to hear where he said like you're going to get to that place and I look at Joey DeCord

and probably when he was playing with Brampton he was probably at that do I need to quit or do I need to work harder phase of his career and he stuck with it and it paid off he's one of the best goaltenders in the NHL how do you not cheer for that guy how are you not happy for that guy Zach

the Brampton Beast? Seth Crackin, one of the top C-percentages in the NHL. He's been fantastic. Joey DeCord. We love him. It looks really good right now. Looks really good right now. He's good.

Do we have Dave standing by yet? We're waiting for Dave to call in? Yes, we do. Oh, we do? So why don't I get to this then? We're going to get to Dave Panyoda, the fourth period, in two seconds here. But first, this from the Ninja Crispy.

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Check out the link in the episode description or go to shark ninja.com. With that, we'll bring on our man who does a number of things around here. I'm surprised they don't hand your broom at the end of the day and ask you to sweep up. pan yota it's it's awesome how much you're on the network i love it including your own show wednesday's three o'clock eastern with ruffan guffar and a really interesting interview with with brian bartlett as well who represents amongst other players i think he controls like 600 million dollars worth of contracts i think about the responsibility that comes along with that um alec alice tuck and i want to sort

start the conversation there and i want to get to logan coolly as well and my my theory on what could be happening there in utah um what do you think's happening with alex tuck right now. Like he's, he's on a team that, despite what we just saw against the Ottawa senators, is a lot of question marks around.

He's a big piece of the team, do a contract extension. So far hasn't signed one. His wife is from Western Canada. He's from New York. I don't know. Like, what's your,

what's your spidey sense saying on Alex Tuck? Well, you know, before we had Brian on, I had heard that, you know, they were still going to have back and forth conversations.

The door wasn't closed. They're, you know, the conversations were still, or at least both sides were still open to having the conversation, and ultimately both sides still wanting to get something done. And then Brian came on and confirmed that they've actually pressed the pause button for the time being and put negotiations on the back burner to kind of focus on basically what's going on with this team. And this was before, this was the day of, just before they got their first W of the season. And there's a lot of concern in Buffalo, again, unfortunately. And I think for Alex Tuck, yeah, he's interested in staying. And as Brian confirmed, has not closed the door by any stretch on the Sabres. But they need to know what the direction of this team is.

That's the sense that I've been getting. And you know what, Jeff, if there's, you know, some markets have a tax. You know, we've talked about this before, the Buffalo tax, the Winnipeg tax, that this, that, well, Buffalo also has the Sabres tax based on what's going on right now and how long it's been a problem in that market from just a hockey perspective itself. So I've got to imagine that, that yes, especially with other guys that I've that have cashed in and that, you know, you've got less and less guys now that they're coming off the list and less and less guys, excuse me, that are available July 1 next summer, you know,

he's thinking if this team isn't going to start trending in the right direction, in the very near future I might as well take my game to July 1 and cash in big time like I've talked to a few teams in the last 24 hours that think it's not just a $10 million AV for him to stay

you're probably looking at north of 11 and maybe maybe a tiny bit closer to 12 listen the numbers sound staggering and this is not to insult Alex Tuck at all. It's a brand new world we're walking into with the salary cap.

And you were talking to Earth about this the other day, about, you know, we think it's 4, but it's probably 107 and the numbers are skinnier than they'll probably end up being on July 1st. But I think a lot of it, too, Dave, is we're going to walk into a situation on July 1 where everybody's got, this is the first time in forever. Everybody's got money. Everybody's got caps. There's no one to spend it on. Like, I'm thinking like, what's Martin Hitchis going to be? You know, like, what's Alex talk going to be um what's you know adrian kempa going to be like i know like what you're saying might sound may sound like stunning to people but when you look at big picture and what's on the

horizon i don't think it's stunning at all to me it makes sense no no i agree i've been trying to try to every time i talk about these big numbers i keep telling everybody we're trying to remind everybody get used to these like these numbers are going to continue to climb year after year and with the cap again currently projected and I know Gary Betman the other day said wow we're not even talking about that

well officially you're not but the projections are there 104 next season 107 108 113 and a half the following season 118 118 like these these not

we're going to be around 120 in no time and with that equals higher salaries and what's our Temi Panering thinking right now in New York do I want to state there and would I take a team friendly deal? Doesn't sound like it. He has another opportunity to hit July 1 next summer and cash in big time. So for a guy like Alex Stuck, who again, as as Brian

Bartlett, his agent reiterated this week, has not closed the door. They put the talks on hold mainly because of what's going on with the start of their season. But reading the tea leaves in that situation and talking to people around the league, it's going to cost a pretty penny to stay in Buffalo. And they've got a number of things to figure out, including this contract. They do. And I think, I know Sabres fans always get, and I hear it on social media all the time. Like, I were only a couple of games in.

You already got everybody bailing on the team. But it's not just a couple of games in. And we were saying the other day, this is 14 years plus a couple of games in. Like history matters here. That is part of the context. And there's only so long that you can ask elite level athletes to surrender prime years of their career like i think it's reasonable i think it's reasonable to ask players to go through one rebuild but we're to consider how short careers are i think it's really unreasonable to ask

any player to go through two and does it not feel like that might be where we're at right now at the buffalo savers yeah yeah like quasi two it's like almost three with just how long things of things have gone there. I feel for those people. I feel for the fan base. It's tough. You know, you've got guys that have been traded. There was where, you know, Dylan Cousins, when he got moved,

there was an unofficial trade request at the start of the season, saying, look, this is where we're at, just, you know, get it going. He's not, he wasn't the only one. You know, we know about obviously JJ Petirka not being overly thrilled there as well. There are other players that are frustrated being there with what happened last season. and I've got to imagine those same guys probably equally frustrated now granted the last

game they won was a nice one and winning does solve a lot of things but it's deja vu all over again again and again like they started last year 0 and 3 they finished up the month 4, 5 and 1 they got back on track and then

it just wasn't sustainable and that lack of sustainability is what eats at some of these guys these guys are all competitive they all want to win I don't blame it. You brought up something you brought up something really interesting there and that is the JJ Peturca

escape from Buffalo to Utah. Not that I'm trying to kick Buffalo when they're down but like so that was the model for if you want out this is how you do it and this and you can do it. I do wonder in the back of my head

whether it is as you mentioned Dylan Cousins or J.J. Paturca. I always wonder about cascading effect of everything and how much of a cascading effect that goes through the room it's like well you know what Dylan got out well you know what

JJ JJ got out why not me like that's part of the danger when you move young players who the I'm not saying it's like the second they're disgruntled they get their wish but there is that sensitivity for managers

that if I do it for this guy then do I have to do it for everybody else that comes into the office and says I'm done here You know what I mean, Dave? I think, and I, you know what? I think management's had that discussions with some of their guys, like Rasmus, Dahlene, like Paige Thompson, like some of the others, Jason Zucker and so on over the last 12 months or so,

being like, listen, this is where we're at. We want to build with you guys and have you guys be the center pieces. We want you guys taking the reins, and we're going to try to insulate this group and bring in some complimentary pieces and some star pieces if we can that make us better with you leading the way. the Paterka thing I actually like the return that they got I like that you know you bring in Josh Stone

you bring in Castle Ring yes I agree I was all for that under the circumstances given the cards that they were dealt with they got a good return on that and Don't contribute I think he had what two or three assists the other night in that in that W Benson got back from injury he had a few

Castle Ring's been hurt so you can't see that yet but like this is not a scenario where they just want to give these guys away at this point. Like it's fine, we'll take this in their consideration. But unless we get a deal that makes us happy, we're not going to do that.

I am curious, though, how much longer this goes with Tuck, and obviously it's going to be based on their season. If by New Year, Olympic break, if they're still in the cellar and he's still not signed, I wonder if they have another little heart to heart and then may have to turn around and say, we may not have a choice here.

We may have to start exploring the market. There's another name that doesn't get the headlines that it would otherwise because he's not on the main roster. And for me, there's a ton of questions around. And I wonder what happens if he doesn't get both starts this weekend for Rochester. and that's definitely Levi. Yeah. That is one that is under the radar right now, but I don't think,

I'm not saying that it's like a, you know, a five alarm blaze. It's probably best put maybe like a controlled fire. I don't know how you would have phrasing it, but it feels like it does very much sound like there's something there. Yeah, and well, I mean, like some of these guys, and this isn't specific to this, but in certain situations with some of your young players,

the ones that are anticipated being next level for you, you know, eventually they're unofficially promised, okay, you're going to get a shot here. You're going to get an opportunity here. You're going to get some, we're going to ride you for a little bit, see how it goes. And if it doesn't work, okay, we'll continue to go through this process with you. I think you're right.

I think starting this season, this was kind of where they were at with Devin Levi. and is he going to be able to get that opportunity? There's a reason they brought him in. You know, you want to shore up as many positions as you can, obviously, with the caliber of players you can. You know, you want the offensive guys. You want the two-way guys. You want to bank yourself up the middle.

You want to find the shutdown guys on the blue line, the mobile guys, etc., the goaltenders. Every little facet of the game, the physical guys that are two-way that are sneaky in the quarters for your third and fourth line and so on and so on. I think with Buffalo, with Levi, yeah, you've got, you know, you have UPL and he's hurt at the moment, but you've, you've got him that a lot of people within that organization have been high on. And he's sitting here going, okay, I'm going to be patient a little bit more because you've been preaching that, but let's go here. You know what it is though, Dave?

I don't know there would be the, it would be the same if they didn't lay out the red carpet form in the first. place and almost hand them the starting reigns. First of all, the list of goaltenders that have gone from college right into the NHL, that list is short, man. Like everybody goes to the American Hockey League. Everybody does their time. Like making a jump to starting goaltender with an NHL team from college is one of the hardest, if not most impossible things you can do.

And it was like, there were a lot of people in that organization that really wanted that to happen for whatever reason knowing full well it's not going to happen because you don't you don't make that jump as a goaltender and the other the other part about about that too is you've um you know you laid out the the carpet for for devon levi and now you sort of chum the waters that he's the air apparent he's the guy coming and now all of a sudden over him you're ride or die with colton Ellis and Alex Lyon. He's saying to himself, and now you send Georgiev down here with me to split games?

You've got to be very yeah, you've got to be very careful when you're selling optimism and you're making promises to, first of all, optimism to within your organization, to the player that you're bringing in, to the fan base, and then you have to be very careful

is what type of official slash unofficial promises you make. And, you know, I know the selling of optimism is, okay, we're bringing this kid in. You know, he's, he's ready to roll between the pipes. There's going to be some fine-tuning, but he's going to be our guy. And it takes a little bit of time. It's a process. And if he is going to be the guy, Jeff, exactly to your point.

Why are there so many other guys here? Why are there so many other goaltenders that are in this position? They have so many goalies in Buffalo now, Dave. And then when the main guy, when the main guy, right now gets healthy. Then what? You got like 75 guys. There's not enough space. You know, so they, you know, you got to be careful. Does each team get one net still? Like I, I, I didn't watch, I didn't watch all the games last night, but it's still one puck and each team gets one net. Did anything change? You're still the same. No, no, I don't think so. This is in ESPN, the Ocho with different types of,

yeah, different, different sports center out there, a couple different ones. Like, they've got, they're going to have, they're going to have some questions that they're going to have to answer. relatively soon not only because of Levi coming in and getting games, but also, again, but UPL Southeast. What are you doing with all these other guys? Yeah, you know what? I kind of look at it with Levi and the rush before.

It's kind of been the story of the Buffalo Sabres. So many players that were rushed to the NHL. Like right away, like, ah, not the American hockey. Oh, he played a dozen games. He's cracked his knuckles. He's fine. Let's get him to the NHL. To me, that's going to be the story of this era of the Buffalo Sabres.

I want to get to Logan, coolie um because i i think it's a i think it's a fascinating thing that's happening here with coolly and the utah mammoth um yeah in your conversations uh in and around the the logan coolly story it feels to me like utah what's wants to set their upper limit with logan coolly like this is the guy that no one's going to go past he's a guy we're doing this around and and this is going to be this number and when you sort of set that as what you're trying to do, the negotiations tend to get tricky.

You know how all of these things work. Does it feel to you like Utah wants to set their upper limit here, their bar with Logan Cooley? I think, you know, Utah has looked at what the Montreal Canadians, I think a few teams have, quite frankly, that are looking at what the Canadians have done with some of their top guys. And not necessarily from a limit perspective,

but everyone's going to take a smidge less because we're going to do this together and we're going to keep this unit together for an extended period of time. So like, you know, it started with Nick Suzuki, but obviously there's other talent out there. If it climbs over that figure, so be it. Noah Dobson comes in, prime example, 9.5, making considerably more, but he took less as well. Lane Hudson, taking less in order to stick around. And in the grand steam of things, 150, 250 grand, you're saving per year on an AAV.

But you get 10 guys doing that. That's a decent amount of cap space to utilize moving forward. I think Utah in some manner wants to kind of mimic that in their own form and have certain guys that are going to be at the top. And if the bar is set with a guy like Logan Cooley, whom they anticipate being their primary weapon, and certainly him and his camp believe that he's going to be one of their top guys consistently for years on end. How does that look numbers-wise? And at the same time, do we have to make that type of commitment now versus four or five years from now? Maybe we do something on the smaller side.

This is kind of one of the things that Brian Bartlett, his agent, was kind of hinting at a little bit. We don't necessarily have to go. I know everybody's signing eight years. We don't necessarily have to do that. we can go four years still the team will still have them under control as an rFA and then move to a seven year deal after the fact i've talked to a few teams about this this week about that that theory of you know committing jointly on a long term the max right now is eight years then it's going down to seven well what if we're thinking 11 12 years down the road what if we're thinking in 1112 year commitment that just gets split up in between you're signing a four or five year deal out of your ELC And then you're committing to the big one right after. Because with everything going up, and again, going back to the cap, with the cap going up and expansion talk, getting louder, even though they tried to cool it again this week at the board meetings, you add that into the equation. In five years from now, what's the salary cap going to be at with all the revenue that's being generated?

All good problems to have. But from Bryant's perspective, I could see it being, you know, let's take a response. approach here. Let's go four or five years, potentially, and then then get the big one after the fact. So I think that's part of, at least been part of part of the discussion points to this stage. I'm glad you brought up expansion, Dave, because the one thing that's, that I firmly believe here is while there's a CBA and the players don't get any piece of expansion whatsoever, if you're the NHL, the time to do it is now. Because the players association or hands off, you know, the $2 billion entry fee

for each team here and they're not going to touch a piece of it in the CBA. To me, this is the moment. You got the four-year CBA, the time to do it is now is while this CBA is in effect so the players have their hands off, that money.

I remember when they made the announcement in L.A. Before the draft, the day of the draft, I remember asking that question to the panel. Gary, Bill, and both looked at me at the same time going, no, there's been no change in that discussion with respect to the players getting a piece of expansion fee. And the league's been very adamant about that. We're, we're splitting this amongst us. You guys are getting the jobs. But with everything continually going up,

and we've got five more years, maybe that becomes an interesting point of discussion. So I think you're right. Within that time period, counts now, get on it now. And I've been, look, I've talked to owners. Everyone I've talked to have either said we're going to 36 or we would not be shocked if we hit 36. What that time frame is, I'm not exactly sure anymore, but I do think we're jumping into the stages of expansion. The league has been also pretty open about not caring about symmetry if they need to, which they've done with Seattle and Vegas and whatnot. That's going to keep going and all of that while the expansion fee doesn't affect um you know hrr everything else does revenue coming coming from ticket sales and marketing sponsorship uh merch sales television deals

so on and so on you add markets like Atlanta and Houston and jump back into phoenix properly uh u.s television rights those are big markets that's going to go up again NHL to 36 PWHL to 12 Massive expansion Great on the horizon Dave, excellent work as always great to see you all over the network It's fantastic

Have yourself a great weekend I know your phone remains on So there's no sleep until next July So you can earn like I do The Louis Vuitton's under our eyes You'd be good We'll talk soon Dave I got him too

Don't worry I got them too Thanks Bell Dave Panyo to the fourth period joins us every Friday here on the sheet and also DFO Rundown Insiders Edition Wednesday 3 o'clock Eastern Dave Panjota alongside Irfan Gafar if you haven't watched it

or heard it go back and listen slash watch Wednesdays Byron Bartlett NHL agent is Dave and Earth's guest. Really interesting stuff there. Okay this one's even though we're only one day into doing this one, this one's already

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Okay, so each day for this, I'll bring a couple different ones, and then we can expand off of one. I think that's the best way to do this here. Sure. So for today, let's run through the three. October 17th in NHL history, 1957, Rocket Richard's first NHL hat trick. He had three goals and three assists for six points against the trial. Anno Maple Leafs.

1976. Mike Milbury scored his first NHL goal, a game winner in the Bruins 5-3 win over the Habs. And in 1992, Yari Curry scores his 500th career NHL goal. And he was the first, make sure you get this, some people remember this, European-trained player to do so. So those are your three today. Rocket Richard's first hat trick, Mike Milbury scores his first NHL goal, and Yari-Curry

scores 500 in October 17th, and today in the NHL. Ambri Richard, who is Rocket Richard's brother's name was Pocket Rocket. Do you know what their other brother's name's nickname was? No. Vest Pocket Rocket. I am not making this up. Okay, outside of that one,

Mike Milbury, a couple of things on Mike. I used to work when I was at CBC, I was at CBC from 2007 to, to 2012. Mike was one of the main panelists, him and PJ Stock. I loved working with Mike. Everybody loved working with Mike. Mike was one of the most interesting guys to work with.

First of all, a humongous frame of reference as a player, as a coach, executive, all of it, manager in the NHL, are really a great teammate. Like, you know, you talk about, like, teammates in a workplace or some people you really like working with and support everybody and help everybody. And then there are other people that are just like, oh, okay, party of one over there. That was not Milbury. Those guys find their way out of companies pretty fast, specifically in media. But he was, honestly, one of the best teammates that any of us ever worked with at hockey night at CBC when Mike was there.

And when we think of Mike Milbury, specifically as a player with the Boston Bruins, you probably think of the Madison Square Garden incident. where Mike gets a bad rap. Now, you're going to say, how does a guy get a bad rap for going into the stands and taking a guy's shoe off to beat him with, to beat him with it? How's that a bad rap? If you look at the video,

Mike doesn't actually hit the guy, he takes the shoe off, but he doesn't actually hit the guy. You know who drills the guy who just clocks the guy, who has skated on this one for years? And I love them. was an awesome awesome guy he's unfortunately no longer with us and everybody misses him he was a charming human being he was an excellent broadcaster he was a really good hockey player

you know who should have got like all the scorn for that one peter mcnab peter mcnab drops the guy now mike takes the guy's shoe off to swing at him but he misses peter mcnab's guy. Are you looking for it right now? You're trying to find it? Madison Square Garden incident? It's like McNabb and Milbury go up into the stands. It's like one of like, one of the, it's like, if you're the NHL, you're just like, oh my God, our players are attacking fans. This is, this is just awful. There is a history of this happening in hockey, by the way, much more at the minor leagues. But like, we've had incidents in

the NHL where players have gone up into the stands to attack. It happened a lot more in the 70s and a little bit more in the 80s. But did you just find it? I'm watching it. Yeah, I'm trying to figure if I can get this downloaded. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, I just watched it. You've seen it before, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm looking for specifically. But like Peter McNabb is the guy. It's not like Milbury. Milbury, by the way, was really good in the Canada Cup 76 as a really young player for an American team, which really tested team. Canada as well as much as team Canada thought like they were the kings of the jungle and they were they ended up winning the whole thing USA game a real go uh on things kind of filibuster here while you queue up the video if you can't that's fine i can't get it in

i can't get it it move along but anyway i just wanted to point out just how great a teammate mike was and i remember mike once telling me in one of our many nights out after hockey night telling me that when he ran the islanders uh he offered the st louis blues every single New York Islanders pick to the St. Louis Blues for their first round pick. And he wouldn't tell me who it was. I just always assumed it was Eric Johnson. It was that first overall pick that the Islanders offered every single pick in the draft to get that.

That's been offered before. Minnesota offered that to, Lou Nanny would have offered that to Eddie Johnson for the Muriel of Mew pick. But I always found that interesting. It was just like, I ain't going to tell you who it is. But we offered St. Louis every single pick once. And they said, no. I think it was Eric Johnson.

anyhow there's that story i want to see that one time because i want to see that on a uh on a graphic card selfishly like at the draft 20 minutes before the draft or where whenever it comes out it's like you know the islanders have traded the first overall pick for yeah yeah you know what that is you know what that is that's a that's an oh hl trade exactly but i want to see in the n hl so there was um i'm not going to see who the manager was but there was one manager who pulled off one of those I'm sure you've seen them before. Legendary OHL drafts or trades

where they trade a player for like a million second round picks and third round picks and fourth round picks and it just goes like on and on and on for years and years and years and years. And this one manager called me after one day he executed one of these like massive deals. He goes, my wife just gave me shit. And I go, why?

She says, I saw what you did today at work with that stupid trade. She goes, you realize you just traded a nine-year-old. I never thought about it like that. But somewhere, that kid who's going to be that pick right now is nine. And he doesn't know it, but he just got traded. You just traded a nine-year-old. It's pretty funny way of looking at it.

Like, no, I never really thought about it that way. I guess I kind of just did trade up nine-year-old. Anyhow, I'm really liking that Uber-Eats feature. That's really good. It gives me a chance to stretch out the history, too. All right. The sheet is powered by Fanduel. Home in the same game, Parlay,

make every moment more on Fanduel. Fanduel, proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. What do we got on the board today? Four games around the NHL, 11 last night, four games on the go tonight. And don't forget tomorrow,

we get at it early in the afternoon with the Buffalo Sabres welcoming in a pretty pissed off bunch of Florida Panthers who have dropped three games in a row and are not in a good mood. Anyhow, what are you looking at tonight? What's Spice in your chili?

Detroit's good, hey? Isman versus old team? It's the Tampa Red Wings game is the one that's really got my attention for this one tonight. Otherwise, looking out towards San Jose in Utah. This Utah team, I know we just did a whole lot of discussion about them, sorry, with Dave there and Cooley and setting the internal cap and stuff. I think so. They're fun.

Yeah. It's fun to watch right now and go ahead. Can I ask you something about Utah? Yeah. When you see Ryan Smith, let's just say you work for the Utah mammoth right now. Okay. And you see Ryan Smith sitting on the glass. Yeah.

You know where I'm going with this one. You see Ryan Smith sitting on the glass. And listen, when you pay that much money for an organization, you're the boss. You do what you want. Do you think that there's anybody in the Utah Mammoth organization who would have the stones to go to Ryan Smith, owner of the Utah Mammoth, and say, don't be a glass banger?

Would you do that? Hey, boss, knock it off the glass banging. Well, I mean, I will say this. Okay, so let's just go with a general no, but I also don't know what type of person he is he kind of gives me the impression that he would be the kind of guy who would be more receptive to it like if i was in toronto and it was like who even who even is the ed rogers like ed rogers hey ed rogers i'm never i'm staying so far with yes mr rogers bang the glass if you want

mr rogers go ahead all you want you can't bring a hammer do whatever you want yeah like i don't Okay. Ryan Smith gives like a little bit more chill vibes. Maybe is the best way to say it. So it would probably be like, hey, like maybe let's not do that. And I think he'd probably be a little more receptive to it. In in most situations like that, that might be referred to as a CLM. You know what a CLM is in the industry? A lot of industry talk today. You know what is CLM is? No. What is this one? Career limiting move. Career limiting, hey, boss, there'll be a glass banger. Yeah. I just want to be there to hear someone say it. That's all. The photo, I'm sure you saw it of Paturca celebrating and him pointing at Paturca.

That was awesome. I really like that. Fantastic. And JJ's saying, and JJ's saying, thanks for the money. Yeah, exactly. Thanks for bringing me here. Thanks for the money. Thank you for paying me.

The money's great, really. Thanks, thanks, boss. Thanks for the money. And as we like to stay around here, thanks for the buns and the use of the hall. Rapping up another show. What do you got playing this weekend, Zacharoo? We have to do.

Got a lot of family stuff going on this weekend here still, and then Leif's game tomorrow night against the Seattle Cracken. As actually we talked about off the top of the show with Allison. What do we still have to do? We have to play something. It would be a disgrace to the nature of the show. show if we didn't play this video, Jeff. What do we got?

I'm just going to play the video, no commentary. All right. And then we'll see. It would be. To this show, it would be. Oh, boy. After review, the colony ice stands, we have a goal. Oh, sorry.

Oh, hang on. Hang on. Excuse me. After review, there is no goal. Florida will be charged, a bench minor penalty for a delay of game. So, can you do me a favor? You understand why we had to play that.

Oh, it's fantastic. First of all, that's Michael Markovic. Okay, so Michael Markovic is a, as a Toronto-based official. One of the newer officials in the NHL. Here's what I love. Okay, play it one more time. Tell me what you think I love about it. Okay.

After review. No, I know what you love that. We have a goal. That's it right there. Oh, we have a goal. Yes. Yes. Yes.

He made the right call. I knew it. It was the wrong call, but he called the wrong call correctly. We have a goal. I knew it. Yes. Yes. So I will look the other way on, I guess, the bigger point, because he made the right point, which is we have a goal.

Not a good goal. Yes. We have a goal. I know, the first thing I noticed. First thing I noticed when he said it. I knew, yeah, yeah. This was a two, this was a two-banger. This was, we went out of here on a Friday,

and I was doing everything I could to make sure that we got you out of here. We're on a happy note to finish the week, smile and laugh, and we're good. We got the goal, not good goal, goal, goal. Nope, goal. And I appreciated the, oh, hang on. Whoa, hang on a second here. Whoop, hang on. Uh, yeah, Mark of that kind of where he's his face.

just he's got a smirk and he's just like come on you know what paul's thinking just when you think you've seen it all because paul at this point is great probably seen it all he's like oh there's something new there's something new which is why i always remind people at the end of every day it's your job to stay alive and if you stay alive you'll see some really interesting shit and that was one of them great whoa hang on a second but but markovic like honestly you made the right call made the wrong call but but you called it the right way. That's what we say.

You made the wrong call, but you called it the right way. Did I say that right? We made the wrong call, but you made it the right way. Yes. That does. Fill me with some glee as we exit for the week.

Monday, by the way, this program will be in Washington. I'm going to go to the Washington, Vancouver game on Sunday afternoon, and then we'll be doing this program from the practice facility, I believe, in Washington on Monday. guests will be announced over the weekend

but it should be a good one so look forward to that and next Friday as doing a lot of traveling this year next Friday I don't know if I told you this Zach next Friday I'll be in Rochester so we'll be doing the show from Rochester Home of the Americans

I did not know that kids hockey tournament I'll take the podcast equipment do the show from there in the afternoon it'll be a lot of fun so yeah so a couple of things like one show from Washington one show from Rochester there we go

That's the schedule next week. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Hope your weekend is full of hockey, either as a hockey parent, either a hockey player, or just watching hockey, ironing the couch with your ass. I don't know, whatever it is.

Hope it involves frozen water and a round black puck. Enjoy yourself. 50% Boni Driver. We'll talk to you Monday, 1 o'clock Eastern for the sheep. last night every day this week every day this month I can't get out my head

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