The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Times Are Changing ft. Pierre McGuire

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Join us on The Sheet with host Jeff Marek, streaming on the Daily Faceoff YouTube channel, as he's joined by longtime NHL executive and analyst Pierre McGuire for a wide-ranging conversation covering the latest in hockey. In this episode, the two dig into the slow-moving NHL offseason and why some names are still unsigned. They also break down the growing trend of CHL standouts, like Porter Martone and Jack Ivankovich, opting for the NCAA route — and what it means for player development going forward. From offseason rumors to rising prospects and everything in between, The Sheet has you covered.#TheSheet #DailyFaceoff #JeffMarek #PierreMcGuire #NHL #NHLFreeAgency #HockeyNews #CHLHockey #NCAAHockey #PorterMartone #JackIvankovich #NHLProspects #HockeyTalk #HockeyShow #NHL2025Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼 Simply Spiked: https://www.simplyspiked.ca/en-CAReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Piano Wire coming up in a couple of moments. A few things to get to. A few things to get to and a few things to go over. Some of the things not exactly surprising. By the way, does it seem really dark in here? Let me fix a light. Hang on. Hey! There we go, that's better.

Oh man, my hair looks bad. Turn that light off again. Man, I gotta get these feathers cut. Yeah, so lots to get to today. Paramaguire is gonna stop by in a couple of moments. But before we get started here, he is back from the land of lemons, cork, and diving dogs. Lemons, Cork, and Diving Dogs. He is Zach Phillips who has returned and thanks to Vacation Vic who turned into really incarcerated Vic. I don't know if you

watch much of what was happening while you were gone Zach but it was like it was like Vic was doing the show producing the program from a prison cell with a blank white wall like what do you do what are you doing? What are you doing? Like 10 to 15 for what, bud? Anyway, welcome back. And I gave you homework before you left. I wanted to report on lemons, cork, and diving dogs. So all I know about,

it's all my stereotypes about Portugal, which is where I've always wanted to go. So I'm super envious that you went. How was it first of all? It was amazing. Weather was amazing. I also like everywhere you went. So I've not really done a trip like that.

Lemon trees. No, not lemon trees. So I was going to say, I went to the three, but I was going to first I was going to say I've never walked around everywhere and just being like, I feel like I'm in a movie. I've been to Disney and you know when you go to the little villages and you're like, oh yeah, they built this because it's a very scenic and movie picturesque type, that's just their homes and restaurants and shops and streets.

And that was everywhere I went where, and my brain at first, it was like, this is like a Disney movie. And then it was like, no, no, no, no, no. This is real life. The Disney movies are like made because these things exist so it's good but I went two for three Jeff oh okay not bad okay correct okay tell me about cork well they have cork trees and the one place I went to in Sintra it was a little day trip we did there's castles

and the hills and all this stuff they had what the tour guide said so maybe this is just a cell point But he called the largest cork tree in Portugal Oh, no, I to me sounds like a cell job to get you to go there, but whatever We walked by and we walked by the tour guide He was doing the tour and stopped and said look here Here's the largest cork tree in Portugal. And I stopped and I'm staring at this tree and my girlfriend goes, the hell are you looking at?

And I'm like, well. Well, it's the biggest cork tree in Portugal, on the American thing about cork, which I don't know where it is on the list of exports for Portugal, but I understand that at one point in Portugal's history, it was quite high. It was quite high.

So next time you open up a wine bottle, think of Portugal. And what else? You got diving dogs or lemons? The dogs. The dogs. All right. Diving, but swimming more so. But there was dogs everywhere, street dogs everywhere.

Go down to the water, they're in the water, they're around the water, like they're everywhere. So check those two off. Lemons, I can't, I can but can't. It would be a fake check, checked box if I checked it off because- You see lemon trees? There's lemons everywhere but I didn't see- Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of lemons. Like all over Portugal. I start every day with a glass of lemon water. I squeeze a full lemon into this, and that starts my day. Okay, yeah.

So you saw lemons in the trees everywhere. But no, I didn't see the trees. I didn't see the trees, but I saw lemons. There was lemons everywhere with everything. All right. Got those shut off. Now let me give you a quick story. When I was in Beijing in 2008, I was working for CBC,

I was doing the Olympics, and we got got there and Brenda Irving took us all out for dinner in downtown Beijing. And we went to this lovely place. Actually it was Brenda and Jim Van Horn who were hosting that night. There was about maybe 15 of us. And so we went to this restaurant in downtown Beijing. And I remember getting up like after we all had

a glass of wine and I want to just go look around the restaurant and I looked at the wine cellar it's all encased in glass and there were flags all around it and one of the flags this is where I'm gonna draw this into hockey one of the flags had a picture of Steve Iserman on it I kind kind of went like, that's it, right? And then I'm sort of reminded, like how many people have walked by and seen that and said like, oh, that's just like some random guy.

But then if you're a hockey fan, you walk by and go like, dude, why Steve Iserman on a flag at this like, really nice restaurant downtown Beijing all around the wine cellar in Glass. And it served to me as a reminder that if you look hard enough, you can find hockey everywhere. And that was my hockey is everywhere moment, and that's one that I always talk about.

A 23-hour flight to get to Beijing, and one of the first things I see when I go to dinner is Steve Iserman's face Hockey is everywhere. Did you have a hockey is everywhere moment in Portugal at all? Or was it the land hockey forgot which does sound nice, too, by the way No, it's more the land hockey forgot I actually did look up while I was there like is there hockey here? Are there ice rings the answer with that to that would be no what there are not like port at Portugal just kind of seems like that's just it's soccer only soccer that's the only thing

that you're gonna find now I did say to my girlfriend while we're going around I'm like I haven't seen soccer fields like I can't I haven't seen anywhere would they be and then we flew from Portugal to Madeira the island of Madeira and on the way out And then on the way back in It's hard to miss soccer fields you can basically like throw a stone from one soccer field to the other Pick up the stone and then throw it to the next one like you get they're just bouncing around everywhere But it was it was just a very cool experience, a very cool trip. Um, the one thing I will say that was kind of funny, which like you don't, you think about how we talk about here,

how hockey is everything, um, soccer, every kid has a ball on their foot. Every single kid is wearing a Ronaldo Jersey. And to the point where every other street is a store called Força Portugal. And it is the Portuguese national team selling all their jerseys. And then you can buy obviously each individual team, but then they have a statue in every store, like, like 100% every store has a statue of Ronaldo wearing the full kit. I thought that was pretty funny. I'm like, makes sense. Like, it's not like that outlandish, but you kind of walk around and you go, oh yeah, these

people really care. And oh yeah, this country produced maybe the second best player was in the history of the sport. Was anybody complaining that, oh, it's too much pressure on these little babies others there's too much stress how can they perform send for the fainting couches oh these poor little athletes are so much they're building statues oh my goodness was there any of that conversation and now a transition to hockey, but was there any conversation like that young Zach Phillips? No, no, there was not

That wasn't a thing. Let's get to what we have in store for today, which includes signings and retirements and well surprise commitments to some to MSU we're gonna get there here in a couple of seconds. I want to remind you as always, Daily Outline powered by our friends and presenters at FanDuel. Make every moment more with North America's number one sportsbook. And that is FanDuel. It might be Monday, July 21st, but we have things to talk about. And we'll talk about them with the one and only Pierre Maguire.

We'll talk about the CHL versus NCAA. Although, really, I don't know that it's really one or the other or one versus the other. The recruiting war is still in effect yeah but somewhere down the road here and maybe I'm just sort of biasing the conversation we're just starting to see the beginning of what's going to be a new understanding of the development model in hockey. We'll talk about the off season and what we've seen so far. We will talk about Porter Martone, X of Brampton on his way to MSU.

And we'll talk about, I wanna talk about Blake Wheeler too. And now with, I guess there's only two, Zach Bogosian and Evander Kane. Now that Blake Wheeler has officially retired, we wonder who will be the last thrasher. And as Ben Wright, Ben Wright is out there. Ben used to do social media for the Thrasher's and if slash one Atlanta gets another hockey team I really hope that there's a job for Ben in media, albeit you know social or

linear or digital wherever. I just hope that Ben is involved because he always, I know I'm gonna say this and he's gonna send me a DM or he's gonna send me a text. Don't forget about Ben Chirot. Even though Ben Chirot never played a game, Ben is involved because he always, I know I'm gonna say this and he's gonna send me a DM or he's gonna send me a text. Don't forget about Ben Chirot, even though Ben Chirot never played a game for the Atlanta Thrasher's. He was still drafted by the Atlanta Thrasher's. This segment, by the way,

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Please celebrate responsibly. And joining us to talk about a number of things, even though we're starting to get deep into July here, the hockey world continues. The one and only Pierre Maguire. Pierre, first of all, how are you enjoying your summer so far? I've been watching a lot of hockey still and talking a lot of hockey. So I know you heard a baseball event yesterday and mostly, but I'm focusing in on hockey and moving actually.

All that is good. I heard you talking about the Atlanta Thrasher's. Yeah, honey. Waddell still working with the Columbus blue jackets He was a general manager. Yes, and I have one more full Robert Hartley has just taken another job in the KHL. So Bob where he spoke Where's Bob Harley? Where's Bob? Where's Bob Harley now in the cave? He's in the case somewhere. I forgot where but he is definitely going to the K Gerard Delant is going to the KHL as well. He's going to Calhoun. So yeah, no, there's a lot going on in the hockey world.

I know you're baseball centric, but you're also hockey. I was, I was, and I'll, I'll do my, my douchey baseball slash hockey dad thing. I was there with my 2012 in Aberdeen, Maryland. Uh, is it, was it one of the, you know, one of those, those Ripken tournaments. I don't know if you've hearden, Maryland, it was one of those Ripken tournaments. I don't know if you've heard about, oh, they are phenomenal. So we were just outside of Baltimore in Aberdeen going back to last Wednesday.

Therefore, he did the Sandusky one last year in Ohio. And then that has like a big water park attached and all that. But the thing about the one in Aberdeen is all the different fields, I think there were six of them. My kid was playing on the Yankees modeled field. All the fields are modeled after like PNC and Citibank.

They look core and they're all turfed and oh, just like pulling money off the tree to build these things. It was a phenomenal experience for the kids, just tremendous. And the kids made it to the semi-finals and lost to a team from West Virginia, who even though they're all 13 years old, I saw a couple of them drive to the game themselves. I think half the team already had to shave, and a couple were putting out cigarettes on the bench. But anyhow, I digress. Not that I'm bitter. When you drive vitals ripped in fields, it's pretty spectacular to go by.

Absolutely. Yes. Number two, Aberdeen. This is for the historical people. Aberdeen, for a good portion of World War II, a lot of the logistics were run through Aberdeen, Maryland when they put things through Aberdeen to go over. The Aberdeen test and ground. So anyways, that's just their story.

Further to that, there's a lot of restaurants and coffee shops and stores, and a lot of them are dedicated to the men and women, and I will always add animals as well, the men, women, and animals who served for the country. So you know what, now that you mention, and I didn't know that, but now that you mentioned it, it makes complete sense

that Aberdeen was a hub. Yeah, no, it's a pretty amazing historical place. It's got a lot of relevancy. Anyways, that being said, congratulations to the team on doing well and experience a great part of the United States. Aberdeen's a very historical part of the United States. Beautiful.

Listen, you know what's great? Driving through Pennsylvania is beautiful. Driving through upstate New York is just gorgeous. And most of the driving was done not at night but during the day. So you really got a good appreciation, a great vibe of a beautiful part of the country. So you mentioned Atlanta Thrashers. Do you have a feeling on who might be the last thrasher? On the ice. And I'm gonna exclude Ben Chirot because he never played for the Thrashers. We're down to two. We're down to Bogotian. We're down to Evander Kane. My money is on Kane. But what do you think? I'm going to say this. Zach, it's outlived as his lifetime in a race. I'm blown away. I know his family really well. You know, I

coach at St. Lawrence University there in Messina, New York family. Zach Bogosian's father, this is for the football people in our audience, his dad was a co-captain of Syracuse University football. The other co-captain was a guy named Little Joe Morris, who went on to have an unbelievable career, especially for Bill Parcells and the New York Giants. So the Bogosian family, they're legendary in upstate New York, especially in the Sina. And Zach's one brother, I believe was a Navy SEAL and if he was, and he was a deep guy in terms of military ops. And he still works for the Minnesota Wild, Zach's brother. He's one of their skill coaches and development coaches.

So there's a lot of attrition that I can't believe Zach's still playing, but man or man, he's a tough cookie. I think Kane lasts the longest, so I think Evander will last the longest. I just gotta keep, as long as, and I say this, I say this about a lot of players too, and I don't mind it. I like the idea that they have to drag you off the ice,

kicking and screaming. I don't believe in the, leave the stage while they're still clapping. I think as long as someone wants to pay, really either one of these guys, I think they're just gonna stay. But I, but now here's one, and I'm gonna be be honest with you Pierre,

I'm doing this off the top of my head. So you can probably tell me otherwise. I think that Zach Boghossian is part of a record that might stand for all time. And that is the biggest age gap between a pair of defensemen. When he was a rookie in Atlanta, he was paired with Chris Cellios. And that age gap, I'm gonna guess, and someone's gonna correct me here, must have, I mean, it's gotta be close to 30 years

between the two of them. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that that was the biggest age gap between any two defensemen who were paired in the history of the NHL. Again, I'm just speculating off the top of my head. I don't know if it's the real answer, but I can't think of one that would be more than an 18-year-old Zach Bogosian and a,

who knows how old Chris Cellios was at the time, but they were a pair for a thing for like a dozen games. Yeah, for sure. I have one that's close, but it's not as good as that. I am Ocha Hartford. I had an 18 turning 19 year old, Chris Pronger. And I went to the late Brad McCrimmon, who was part of our team. And I said, Beast, I've been asked you for a favor.

I'd like you to maybe sit and look after this kid because I know the experience you have and you look straight at him and he goes, it'd be my pleasure. He goes, plus I've been doing this my whole career. Think about it for a second. He says to me, I did it for Mark Howell. I did it for Raymond Bork and I did it for a guy named Nick Lindstrom. So I think I can handle progress. And it rolled people through the wall. Lindstrom. So I think I can handle progress. And Chris to this day, I've talked to Chris

a fair number of times, he will tell you that was a perfect way for him to break in the NHL to have somebody like late, great Brad McCrimmon as a mentor and role model. East was amazing. I loved being around him. Had the prior of over my career to coach a lot of special guys. He's right up near the top. He's an amazing guy. He was an amazing guy. The Brad McCrimmon story is a fascinating one. And Pierre, everybody that I hear ever talk about Brad McCrimmon,

all talk in this exact same way that you are about him. The stories of him in junior hockey playing with the Brandon Wheat Kings are legendary. I don't know how many times he did this, but he was known to play 60 minutes. He was known in junior hockey to never leave the ice. I don't know if that was reserved for special playoff games, but there were games where Beast never left the ice. And you know, it's funny too,

because I'm glad you mentioned Mark Howe. When we, and I swear we're gonna talk about news that's going on right now folks, but when I get it with Pierre, like forget about it, you know, that you know the deal. I still think that one of the most underrated blue lines that we've ever seen was that Flyers blue line with McCrimmon, Howe, no, McCrimmon, Howe, Crossman, Marsh, and JG Daniel. Fair, don't forget Big Shelbo. Don't forget Shel Sanderson.

Shelly played for us in Pitt. So Shelly was part of a huge trade. Traded Paul Coffee and Mark Reckie to Philadelphia. Big Patrick, dude, I was part of the staff. And we got back Shel Sanderson, Rick Tocket and Kenny Redditt. And we ended up winning the cup. And I can tell you right now, Shelley was as tough as any guy we ever had. And all few was tough of Larry Murphy was tough and Gordy Roberts, Jimmy

Pack, Paul Stan, all those guys. But I saw Shell Sanderson go through the entire player and I changed the defense of work with them. Never saw a guy do a pain management like Shel Sanderson ever. You mentioned Ken Reget. I'm going to throw a dart. I don't know if you're on the bench for this, but I'm really going to cross my fingers and hope that you were. Were you on the Penguins bench when Ken Reget and Wendell Young changed on the fly? Two goalies choosing on the... Oh, awesome. Give me the story. Give me the story. This is great. That's a bohmanism. Scotty did that.

Yeah. And we were playing the Rangers and the game didn't matter much. We were in New York and Scotty says, here's what I want. I want to work on our faceoffs and puck control. So we're going to win faceoffs and we're going to change our goalies on the fly because we're going to manage the. We we're going to change our goalies on the fly because we're going to manage the belt. We're not going to let the Rangers get the bucks. Now I was the one that was changing because I was closest to where the back of the goalie was. But the answer is yes, I was there. I was on the back of the goalie. Now that was, I want to say it was a game at MSG. I know it was against the Rangers.

It was at MSG. It was at MSG. It was at MSG. Cause I remember talking to Ken Regge just off the air about it. It's about the origin, like, are we really gonna do this and how they're planning it? And the puck had to be deep in the Rangers zone before they did it. And the puck had turned over.

I think it was Messier was leading a rush on the way back as they were changing, you guys were changing goalies on the fly. And I believe, I believe that that you'll know better than me, Scotty Bowman got the idea and I should ask Scotty about this where he got it from specifically, but he talked about an old coach, I want to say from the fifties, who would change goaltenders regularly throughout the game and won the Stanley Cup doing it. Yeah, and Bowman had mentioned in an interview

that that's where he got the inspiration from. And he always wanted to do it. And he said, and finally with this Penguins team, he said, I think we can do it. I think we could change all the way on the fly. And you guys could for sure. You know, you made a really good point before about guys getting carried off the ice just playing until the end. Ryan Trotche, Ryan Trotche is on my team job and Brian was a critically important part of our 91 cup team

and 92 cup team because of leadership. He's one of the few guys that had won and he understood the importance of face-offs. Ronnie Francis got that, Marriott got that, Randy Gillan got that, but nobody got it more than Brian Trotche. Brian really got that. And I'm telling you, he was like an extension of the coaching staff. He was phenomenal. I love my time with Brian Trotty. I talked to him as much, and he just had his 69th birthday. We were texting back and forth. So Brian made a big impact on those teams. We couldn't have done it without a guy like that.

There's no way. But that was just so everybody out there knows. Scottie had a lot of great mentors, but I think his greatest mentor was probably the late Toe Blake. Toe Blake gave Scottie a lot of ideology over the course of his life. Scottie was a scout for Montreal. He was coaching the juniors when Toe was coaching Montreal Canadiens. Scottie spent a lot of time around their group.

And I know through osmosis, because we were roommates, how much he revered Toe Blake. I wonder if I might have been Toe Blake that did that then. I really do wonder. I really do wonder if I could. Yeah, Scotty too. I'm going to ask him about it today when I'm done. I'll ask. Okay. While you're talking about that, ask Scotty why he used Leigh Robinson as a winger for some shifts in the Canada Cup 76. Well, probably for matchups. But one of the big, you know, you wouldn't remember this. This is for our younger audience, because I don't want to say to the older people, you don't remember that because I think they did. Canadians used to start penalty kills back

in the day with the big three, LaPointe, Savard and Robinson. And sometimes it'd go with four D and Serge would take the face-offs. And I don't know how much, but you know what, but hang on. It through it, listen in through the sixties. And I think about Alan Stanley specifically with Toronto defensively would take draws. Look, look at how many draws Ray Bork won. Like Ray Bork took draws for the Boston, like Bork won draws. Look at how many draws Ray Bork won. Like Ray Bork took draws for the Boston, Bork won draws. Like this was, I know it may sound weird now when you talk to people about it, but there was a time that a lot of coaches just liked the way that it lined up to have their

defensemen taking draws. Well, I just remember Serge, Larry, Gee G and then Bill Myropp, the late Bill Myropp. And Bill Myropp's an amazing story. The late Ronnie Karam used to be like, I'm going to break them all. I'm going to find a guy here. I'm going to find it. So like he found Larry Plo, you know, you start Ralph Batch and he starts finding all these guys all over the place from Montreal and he goes to Notre Dame and he finds this gigantically huge, amazingly athletic guy from Edina, Minnesota named Bill Myrock.

They draft Billy and Billy comes in and does unbelievably well. He's a defensive shutdown guy. I'll never forget this. When I first got to Pittsburgh, we were at training camp. Scotty and I were walking through the stands and this big guy, real good looking guy comes up. It was Bill Myrock. He was coaching our East Coast League team in Jobstown, Pennsylvania. Oh, he'd just gotten the job. Yeah, he'd just gotten the job. And Bill did a good job working with us and loved them to death. I had so many good visits. And unfortunately, he passed

away out in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. but he, he, he was a great Montreal Canadian for the time he was there, he was tough as nails too. He sure, he sure. Well, there's, listen, there's a lot of unsung guys on, on that Montreal Canadian team and that's, that's the team. Cause one last thing, that's the team that I always point to Pierre, when people say, you can't win cups without big centers. I go, yeah? Go look at that Montreal Canadian's dynasty in the 70s

and go tell me who was a monster down the middle. None of them were. Well, only one guy I'd say, but it was large. That was Pete. Pete, yeah, Pete Mahavlach. Pete Mahavlach. He was tall, but everybody else. Jacques Le Maire was not a big guy.

Henry Richard was not a big guy. Dougie Rajborough was thick, but he wasn't not I can't wasn't no true I'll tell you what and it's one of the first times they had an 18 year old on their team that Mary or trauma He was tough as freaking nails Jeff He was an 18 year old kid from way up and she grew to me that area and he came down a Montreal Oh my gosh, he was a mad man and and speak it which you'll be and was on that team to appear a started when Larry went down to Philly and beat up Dave Schultz. That was the beginning of the end. Larry beat him up. And there was another part to that that doesn't get talked about enough. Larry hit, and it's an amazing call. I think it was Danny Gallagher that

made the call. Larry hit Gary Dornhofer into the boards of the form and Montreal actually broke the boards. Broke his, didn't he break his hip or something? That was a punishing body check. Swung out to the boards and just, ooh, it was a vicious and clean body shift from Big Bird. Great, great hit. That's the misnomer on those great Canadian teams.

They were like, oh yeah, they had all this skill and they were the flying Frenchmen. Yeah, they are tough. Tough man. Oh, they're tough guys. They're tough customers, dude. And they were like the islanders that came after. They'd play it any way you want it.

Okay, so Porter Martone. Ha ha ha. They're tough guys. Speaking of big tough hockey players, Porter Martone, I don't think it's been made official yet. I'm not sure that Ivan Kovac to Michigan has made official yet, but I think that official announcement comes today. Porter Martone, six overall draft pick Philadelphia Flyers.

I'll tell you, I feel for James Richmond of the Brampton Steelheads, who's lost Luke Misa, who's lost Jack Ivan Kovac, and who's now lost Porter Martone to Division I hockey. I keep telling people, this is just the new reality of how the developed model is going to work. Everything's more pronounced now.

The nerves are really close to the skin. This is all cast in the shadow of the commitment by Gavin McKenna to Penn State. I just say like everything just seems new and fresh and really emotional right now, but this is how this whole thing is just going to settle in. How did you greet the Port-au-Martin news today? I think it was incorporated with not just the agency that represents Porter-Martin. I think the Philadelphia Flyers had a lot to say about it. And I think there became an aggressive search to get Porter-Martin. Gavin McKenna did not commit to Michigan or Michigan State, but did commit to Penn State.

They're all part of the Big Ten. I think you're going to see unbelievable action long-term in the Big Ten and in hockey and even in the NCHC because there's going to be big NIL money involved. I'm pretty sure Gavin McCann is making over $700,000 to play at Penn State. I'm sure a quarter of Marathon is not going to Michigan State for free. This is for our Canadian audience more than anybody else. Those schools aren't doing anything illegal. NIL, Name, Image and Likeness is a very real part of the athletic community in the United States today, especially at the collegiate level. And Jeff, as you know, and this is important, those big 10 schools, they make their living

off of basketball and football TV month. And they're a lot a lot. There's a lot of that. And you know, like I talked about Hockey East before. Hockey East got Boston College was in the ACC, but none of their other schools are getting that kind of money. So watch for Boston College. Maybe not so much this year, but down the road, they're going to have probably 80 to $85 million of TV money coming in

every year. And they're going to be able to spend some of that. So it's just, it's the way college athletics is going. I don't have a problem with it. I think Porter Martell is going in a great situation. Michigan State's an amazingly well-run team. Big 10s are a huge brand of hockey. They were a bit down last year. They're going to be up this year. And I think Danny Behr and Keith Jones said this is probably the best place for this guy to go right. So let me ask you this one. I sort of canvassed around a little bit on it this morning. I'm curious your thoughts. So I was after the Marton News this morning, was texting back

and forth with a former communications director from an NHL team, one of my favorites too. And he said to me, do you think that there's any way, given a lot of the star power that has gone stateside, and think of Gavin McKenna and now certainly Porter Martone, he said, do you think that there's any way that the NCAA could do a deal with the NHL to play NCAA games at NHL arenas during the Olympic break?

I don't know if they could do it this year, and they could be a tight fit. I don't know why they wouldn't try to. So I'll give you, I'm not going to tell you exactly everything, but I've talked to a commission of a college hockey league to try to get a women's, two women's teams, three men's teams to play during the Olympic break in a Canadian city. So I've proposed that to a commissioner of a league, one, to try to bring visibility to their league and two, to try to help grow the women's game even more. Because I think with all this stuff going on, a little piece of the women's game might get

forgotten. So he was amenable to that and we're going to try to do something here in the next little while. But yeah, no, I think that's a brilliant idea. I just don't know if they'll be able to do it this year. It's gonna be tight. Hey, it's interesting. I know that Michigan, Michigan State plays and it's 20,000 and everybody's going crazy, but just like the allure of one of these games

and the two markets that were mentioned, one would be Pittsburgh and the other would be Detroit to play those rigs, okay? Could you imagine, let's put a game in St. Paul, Minnesota. It'd sell out immediately. University of Minnesota and Penn State, they're both in the big 10. Let's take a game into Boston and do a hockey east game

for the sake of Oregon Boston College BU. They already played a bean pot. So let's cancel one of them out. Let's just say BU is playing because BU is going to be stacked here. Let's play BU and Providence. The Providence is going to be stacked and they got a great coach. Guaranteed they're going to sell it out.

Guaranteed. So do I think there's opportunity to do it? The answer is yeah, I do. Hmm. Well, one other thing on this issue, we haven't had a chance to speak since Gavin McKenna made his decision. Now, a lot of people, I mean, everything in life right now, and this is all because of social media,

everything is binary. Everything is ones and zeros, good and bad. There's no gray anymore. There's, well, you have to consider this a, no, it's just, this is either gonna be great or a disaster. One side is gonna be great, and the other side is gonna be an absolute disaster. When in reality, it's never like that.

But given the reality of what we've seen with Gavin McKenna, how do you see the future of the CHL specifically? Really strong. It's just going to have to be adjusted. So what I think is going to happen, you're going to see 15 and 16 and 17 and even 18 year old players playing probably more 16, 17 and 18 playing major junior hockey. I think you're going to see a lot of American kids come north to the border.

I think the problems is going to be how's the USHL going to fare? Is NAAL, the NAHL, how are they going to fare? And what's going to happen to prep school hockey in New England, which is a huge driving force for a lot of these universes, especially in the East Coast, what's going to happen with them? I talked to some administrators over the weekend and they're not as optimistic as maybe I would have been two months ago. It sounds like they're a little bit concerned. So here's what I think. I think junior hockey is going to still be a very huge developmentally. And some young men are going to be able to play college hockey at 18.

But I can tell you right now comfortably, having had a son that played Division I hockey for three different schools, one in ECAC and one in hockey east, it's going to be hard for 18-year-olds to play college hockey. I think you're going to have to be 19 and maybe even 20 to come and play what's about what it is now. So I don't think it does a lot of damage to junior hockey. In fact, I think there's going to be a way where they're all going to be able to fit it in and work really well together. And hopefully that's the case, but I don't think you're gonna see the ruination of Major Junior Hockey. I really don't.

Do you think that, and again, I'm getting ahead of myself here, but this is coming off a couple of conversations actually early on last year. Do you think we get to a place where there are certain teams in the CHL that direct their players when, slash if they are ready to very specific schools, i.e. affiliations between, I don't know, take your pick,

London and Michigan or Madison, Hatton, Penn State. Like do you think it gets, because I'm wondering about this, right? Right now it's still, and we're still used to this adversarial tug and pull between the two sides here. But do you think this eventually could settle itself into, once the reality of it dawns on everybody and everyone understands how this is going to work,

we actually start to see schools and teams cooperate, cooperating to guide players places. Yeah, I do. And I lived it when I was coaching college hockey, it wasn't so much, uh, teams in Canada were doing that. It was leagues. So if you were playing out in Southwestern Ontario, whether you're playing in Chatham or London or St.

Thomas more times or not, you were going to Michigan State or Bowling Bridge, you were going to play in the CCHA. In my back of the woods, St. Lawrence, we were hitting the Ottawa Valley really hard. We were hitting Toronto East and we were hitting the Maritimes and we were hitting Quebec. And we were getting a lot of players directed our way, especially coming out of Quebec, because they had the ability to go on and speak French and English. So yeah, of course, I see that happening for sure. And here's the one thing that I find really interesting. Dakota's really good. You know that.

Yes. Yeah, very often in Russia. You made a great point about Chris Cellios before, and I just want to say, what people forget about Chris Cellios, before he went to the University of Wisconsin, he was playing for Moose Jaw. Oh yeah. Well, the- Yeah, he was playing in Moose Jaw. Nobody wants to talk about that.

Didn't Duncan Keith do the same? So Duncan Keith went to Michigan State. Michigan State. Left for Michigan State and went to play for Kelowna Rockets when Mark Habsched was a coach there. And one of his defense partners was a guy named Shea Weber. Yeah. That's funny, you mentioned the time of defense because Wisconsin was always the D factory

for American defenders and Kelowna was the defense factory for Canadian defensemen. Ira Meyer, Shea, Duncan Key. Josh Georges. Keep going. Like, you can go down the line. It's the game. It's the make. So back in those days, particularly back in the old 2000s,

Mark Habschide used to call me up and say, hey, do you got any time I'd be in Calvary or Edmonton or Vancouver with Gordon Miller doing games? I'll be, yeah, I got that. Could you come in and do a couple practices? Yeah, sure. So I'd go into Cologne on an off day, do the practice. I'll never forget this.

I call up ratio or the late ratio on. And I said, you better, whoever that scout was that told you to draft Shane Webber in the second round. It turned out to be Rip Kinnickle, the old goalie. If you remember the Rip. LA Kings goalie or the Rick Kinnickle. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Rip was the guy doing all that interior scouting for Nashville at the time. goalie if you remember. The RIP. LA Kings goalie. The Rick Connickle. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The RIP was the guy doing all that interior scouting for Nashville at the time. So they'd still, come on, there were two major steals in the second round of the 0-3 draft. One was Patrice Bergeron. Oh, that was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. And the other one was Shea Weber.

Like come on, you got two guys that are going to be Hall of Fam. One's already in. The thing that I always admired about Bergeron, and I admire this, until he was like solidified in the NHL, like go look at him all the way. He was a perpetual rookie. Every year was like, every year one level up,

one level up. He lived a complete hockey life, including the American Hockey League, as a perpetual rookie, until he finally was with the Boston Bruins and then played two years in a row at Boston. Perpetual rookie Patrice Bergeron. I mean, I love the guy.

One of my favorite players that we all love, Bergeron. But like, I just love the Bergeron story. Just adore it. You know what really helped with him? And this is a lesson more about people being part of your team building plan. When they got Zidane Ochar from Ottawa, that was Peter Shirelli, cause he knew him, and when they got Mark Recky to come in and play in Boston, those two guys mentored Patrice to the point where I think it helped really redefine the

player that he became. I really believe that. Let me ask about a couple of more players here. Um, specifically one who's called it a career. And when I say the name, I know we're all going to talk about 2010 when he was just fantastic, but Jaroslaw Halak. Not a large goaltender, but what always impressed me about Halak was, you know, Halak played in this era where everything was a race to be a giant.

You had to be six foot five to be a goaltender. It seems now, I don't know how you feel about it, it seems now to me like the sweet spot for the size of a goaltender was like six three. Right now, before it was like, oh yeah, as big as you can get, six six, yeah, give me that, it seemed like six three, maybe six two, is a goaltender.

But you know, he was on the smallish side of things, 580 games, 915 save percentage. 915. 915 save percentage for a smallish goaltender in the land of the giants. Yaroslav Halak calls it a career. 2010 was just so special. And that was supposed to be,

oh, Kerry Price is gonna get no no no no no. Yaroslav Halleck is not letting Kerry Price take the nets. Your thoughts on on the career of Yaroslav Halleck? What a good question and the way you phrase it is perfect yes I'll just tell you this as a kid who grew up in Montreal well he placed in Canada where the stop sign doesn't say stop. It says, ah, that's right. Not it. It was, there's one. It also was, it said, Halak.

They were making it's the rights. I forgot about that. That's right. They made a lot of stop signs. It was amazing. I was living in Montreal at the time, uh, with our young children. And obviously they were into the hockey scene. They were all the names fans. They were all games fans.

Well, I got to tell you about Yarrow. The most amazing thing to me is every time you met him and I'm sure you probably had the same. Oh yeah. He would want to talk to you for hours. Oh. He loved to talk about the game. He was awesome.

I am just a huge fan. I'll tell you once. There was one time when I was doing ringside for hockey night, I was huge fan. I'll tell you once, there was one time when I was doing ringside for hockey night, I remember after one Habs practice, I was standing there with Halak and he was, because I'm always a geek for equipment. So I always ask guys like, hey, show me your gear,

show me what you got. And we're going over his pads. And I can't remember for the life of me, one of the players came by and said, and said, and made some quip about how big the equipment is and how small Halak is. And he just ripped into this guy about, about the sticks and how you can't really shoot.

And that is all your stick. Say whatever you want about me. Stop, stop and shots, but go get a wooden hockey stick and we'll go back on the end It was just like he just like up and down just undress them about oh you think you think that the equipment's aiding me too much Let's talk about your sticks for a second here. You're a phony. You're a fraud. You can't shoot You're just all stick and I was like, I'm just there then I just like, I just want to see like what kind of buckles he uses on his pads. And next thing I know is here's Yaroslav Yarohalak having a good go at this guy. It was hilarious. Part of an amazing generation of Slovak horn players.

When you think about it, you know, Darvik, Mary, yes, I'm a Calabrian, amazing. And when you think about it, don't forget the late Pavel Dmitri either. He was part of that too. And so, Pave passed away with Brad McCrimmon on the plane over in Russia. But those guys did so much in their community and I think it really helped build Slovak hockey because remember before that, it wasn't Slovakia, it was Czechoslovakia. So most of the great Slovaks never really got to play internationally unless their name was Stasny. So most of the great Slovaks never really got to play internationally unless their name was Stasny.

You know, so it's been interesting, you know, it all worked out. And, uh, those guys made a big difference. They really made a big difference. I spent so much time over there back in the day. You know, I can't say enough about what Z did, what the two Marians did, Gabrik and Hulolesome and to me? Pavel Demitri had the honor of coaching in the late Pavel Demitri those guys gave so much money back The slow lock hockey where their iconic figures in slow lock hockey and Yarrow who lacks one of the mothers

You know it's into you talked about a couple of seconds ago about about Brian Trotche And you know he was you know one of the best in the errors of the good the great centers The Howard trucks and the Isas of the great centers, the Howard Trucks and the Isomans, of course, Wayne and Mario. I always maintain that the two of the players from that era, that era that we don't talk enough about, Brian Trotce is one, the other is the Slovak Marian, Peter Stasny.

Here's Stasny. One of them. I remember, so I was, so I was, I remember being a kid, Pierre, and my dad telling me, this is before, the first real tournament that resonated for me was 76, Canada Cup. I was too young for 72.

76 was the big one, and him telling me about Vlad Zerilla, and also him telling me about Peter Stasny, and the Stasneys, and I remember as I went through high school and university and became a professional broadcaster or whatever I am, talking to Peter Stasny and asked him about 76. Said like, my dad was the biggest fan of yours. And he kept telling me Stasny this, Stasny that, and the room and that great team and went to the final

and lost Team Canada and Zerilla was amazing. And he was Dominic Kaschuk's favorite goaltender of all time and he was like a refrigerator repairman who was a goalie on the side or the best of all time and he was saying he's like the room was interesting because there weren't many of us Slovaks but it wasn't as harmonious as you may have thought as a young man. I have all day for Peter Stassi. Well, Peter was an amazing player. I was still coaching him in the league when Peter was wrapping up. And not only was he a great player, Peter Stassi has been an amazing citizen of the world.

That's true. He's done some unbelievable stuff in the Eurozone. And he's done so much to try to help less fortunate people. Peter Stass is an amazing guy. He really is. And let's not forget he had two boys who were pretty good players too. They were both pretty good players. It's two souls.

So yeah, lots to celebrate on the Stassen side of hockey. For sure. Not too shabby at all. Let me leave you with this one. Of all the players that have changed, because October rolls around and we all sort of have that like jarring moment. We've seen the trades and the signings and all that.

But it's really jarring when you see a player in his new uniform for the first time. And there are some that are pretty obvious. Like, listen, the first time I see Ryan Reeves in a San Jose jersey, I'm like, wow, just considering like everything between San Jose and Vegas, like, it's just, it's just going to be, it's just going to be jarring. Is there, is there one player out there that you look at and you're like, man, I know it's coming. I know it's coming, but watching

that guy in that sweater is going to be jarring to me. To me, it's Reeves and San Jose. Oh, I've seen you that one, because I know how bad the blood is. You can't drink it. It's terrible. I think I'm gonna blow you away by this one and say, I still can't believe Brad Marshand is a member of the Florida Panthers. Still, hey, yeah. I can't, you know, I thought in my heart of hearts, there was gonna be a massive audience to say,

you know what, I had my fun here, I'm gonna go somewhere else and try to make it work there. I just think it speaks to the culture that he experienced down in South Florida, the camaraderie, the ability to win. The fact that he's still there, I find that unbelievably incredible, I really do. Do you think that, because the minute,

the minute there became a salary cap, priorities change for players. When the money is the money, and I think we all think that Brad Marshand probably could have made more money on the open market, but nonetheless, when the money is the money, people make decisions based on things that are not just necessarily the bottom line of the dollars and cents, quality of living, amenities, family raising opportunities, et cetera. To me, I just looked at that and said,

if there wasn't a salary cap, I bet Brad Marshand makes a different decision, but we're in an era right now where you're making decisions that are not just based on Mike's. If there are no salary cap, someone would have given him just something ridiculous, right, someone would have. But when the money is the money, other things matter.

And you look at how great a time all those players have and how they feel about one another. Anthony Stewart's dad used to always, and used to have this saying, and Stewie still talks about it. Are you a team or are you a club? That's team, right? Like that's a team. Those guys are like, I don't know that it's ever gonna be

like Esposito and Ore where everybody goes to the bar after every game for at least one beer because that's what we do as a team. It's never gonna be like that again. But is this the closest thing we've had to it? Maybe, maybe. It's pretty darn, I'd say so. You know, I don't wanna, like our teams in Pittsburgh were pretty tight.

I'm very comfortable telling you that. I think those Chicago teams from probably 10 to 15, most Chicago teams are really tight. But this Florida team does something else that I haven't seen in a long time. They do whatever they have to do to win. They turn every game into a street fight. You hit one of their guys, they're going to hit three of your guys. That's just how they are. They believe in one another. They trust one another. A lot of them put their money where their mouth is and took less

money to stay there. Think about a fair neck guy goes to market, Jeff. Think about a parshand goes to market. A lot of those guys took way less money to stay there. Sam Bennett, I think if Sam goes to market, you know, who knows what he gets paid. So I have a lot of respect for what Billy Zito's built down there. I have a ton of respect for Paul Maurice and all those players that are down there winning. They're probably going to keep winning because they trust one another unbelievably. I'll tell you what, when Ekblad, I'm glad you brought him up, when he resigned with Florida, you know who I thought of right away? Utah Mammoth, who are sitting there thinking,

you know what, we might have a new right side D for Mikhail Sorgachev. And that would have been worth a G. They're smart to steal, because they traded Kesselring. They traded Kesselring. Kesselring. Buffalo for Paterka, and you're 100% right.

That's a logical place and I'm sure they probably had their arts broken when they saw Vinny saying. Oh my. At a discount. At a discount because they're Winnie the Cups. You've been great. Thanks so much for this as always. Enjoy.

I don't know if any move has ever been enjoyable. I've never had an enjoyable move. So as enjoyable a move as a move can be, Pierre, I wish that upon you. I wish I could have Mrs. McGuire, who's had a lot of them over the course of her career. Okay. Just the first one I've been home for.

So I'm actually hoping to see it. Yeah, as my old friend Bill Waters would say, I go where I'm put. So when it comes to moving, I just, I go where I'm put. Just tell me what to do and I'll just go and do it. I go where I'm put. You be well. We'll chat soon.

Thanks, Pierre. Thank you very much. There is the great Pierre Maguire who Listen when I get together with Pierre it just sort of it kind of takes on a world of its own sometimes in the conversations well, Zach will be honest is sometimes end up with the the 60s and sometimes the 70s and we try to draw parallels between all of it. I don't know if it's entertaining for anybody. I certainly hope that it is, but I like it. I don't know.

Hey, here's one for you. You know how bored I was yesterday? You wanna hear how bored I was yesterday? How bored? Yeah, what did you do? I went, so I'm like, okay, so what are we gonna talk about on Monday? Yeah, what did you do? I went, so I'm like, okay, so what are we going to talk about on Monday? The Port of Marton thing fell into our laps this morning.

I went back and looked at recently defunct NHL teams. This is coming off who's going to be the last Atlanta Thrasher. Is it going to be Bogotian? Is it going to be Kane? And I went and hunted down all of the teams that have folded or moved Who was the last player from that organization? to play in the NHL Okay, you want to play this game? Yeah, let's do it. I'm gonna be bad at it, but let's do it

Let's get some you might know here Who is the last player? Okay, you know, let's do this. We did Atlanta Thrashers. Wanna do Atlanta Flames? He's one of my favorite players of all time. One of my favorite players of all time was the last Atlanta Flame in the history of the NHL. This is what summer shows are like by the way, folks. When we get together, you know, who was the last to... You know how freaking American Phillips were talking about on that damn show? Who was the last Atlanta flame to play in the NHL? How bored are these guys?

So one of your favorite so the flames Trying to think of like that time. I'm trying to put together time The hint to this one is he came back after being away for three years or four years Playing in Europe and he came back and he played a handful of games with the Oilers Oh They called them the magic man before Pavel Datsuk one of the great Swedish hockey players of all time Go ahead sick numbers for the flames and the just before them and the WHA Kent Nelson my favorite players all that was not Kansas City Scouts the last one was a

former Toronto Maple Leaf was one of only a knock and I was was one of only a handful of other players everywhere the number 99 including when he played in Toronto. Nope, don't. Wolf Paymont. Done. No. Okay. Colorado Rockies was Joe Cerella, one of Greg Wyshinski's. I remember being at, oh god, what was the name of the place?

When the draft was in New Jersey, Wysh and I had an MVSW meetup at a sports bar in New York, which has since been closed down. And Dubas brought all the coaching staff from the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds to the party, and Joe Cerella, who's the answer, was one of them. And Greg Wyszynski, Greg Wyszynski, Wolf Paymont, no that's not W-I-L-F,

that's a different Paymont, thank you very much. Greg Wyszynski just popped at the cork of a champagne bottle when he saw Joe Cerella. Ex-New Jersey devil's defenseman. I should point out as well. There's like all these like hockey personalities there and there's like, oh my god, Joe Cerella, Joe Cerella. For the California Golden Seals and the Cleveland Barons, it was former 60 goal scorer with the Washington Capitals. No? Dennis Maruk? No? No. All right, last one for the Quebec Nordiques. He's on an NHL bench as a head coach right now. On a bench head coach right now? Yeah, recently hired this off-season head coach. The NHL team was the last player to suit up

for the Quebec Nordiques in the NHL last Nordique in the history of the league now go go just do it go my brain is just not anybody have it here in the chat no it is Adam foot He coaches the Vancouver Canucks. They're out there in British Columbia. West is like anything west of Etobicoke doesn't really exist for Maple Leafs fans. I shouldn't say that. West of Oakville doesn't exist for Maple Leafs fans, but there is a team in British Columbia called the Vancouver Canucks and they have a great defenseman. One that I think should be in the hockey hall of fame because he was a defensive defenseman who's now coaching the team and had him foot yes

there are teams that way Winnipeg Calgary Edmonton I should have been able to get that one okay here's a tough one Hartford whalers John Sebastian should know J.S. Shiger Really yep Jiggy, huh? Yep. Yep. Yep. He's a second round pick of the whalers and the Minnesota North Stars You should get this one. You're gonna redeem yourself with North Stars. It's a obvious one You should get this one. You're gonna redeem yourself with North Stars. It's a obvious one. Medano? There you go! Attaboy! He's back from Portugal. I bought the jersey. He's getting back. He's getting back. Last Minnesota North Star. The NHL was Mike Medano. You redeemed yourself, by the way. Did you, by the way, um, so you pointed out, uh, you texted me this,

So you pointed out, you texted me this, Chara and McAvoy was a 20 year gap between those two, when McAvoy was obviously a rookie and was paired with Chara. And, Cellios and Bogosian, 28 years. Between them. Yeah, so the problem that I had, cause I went and found it and then a couple of people in the chat, including Randy pointed out the Charamachovoy one was the answer they got

when they went and looked it up. So I think what happened here is that if you search this up, because I started doing some more research after you texted me back, is the Cellios- Spagosian one was not technically considered a like defensive pair because it wasn't sustained. They played one or two games together according to record where they were listed as defensive part like listed not like a shift or something like actually listed whereas Chara McAvoy were a sustained pair. So that's why it comes up as chara McAvoy were the biggest gap Whereas if you did if you would keep digging and pushing then you can find that Cellios and Bogosian played together, but they weren't considered a pair if that makes sense, but they were paired like there I watched Atlanta Thrasher's games watching them like

Watching them go side to side path and pass the puck to each other. But I think they went I think what it's what, what I was, I'm just what I was able to get back from what I was reading is that they went out together, but they weren't a pair. That's I know that that's a shaker head moment, but that's the, that's the answer that I was receiving. So, but I do, you are right. They were the oldest or biggest gap to go out.

You know what's funny though about the Taro one? Ignore the evidence of your eyes was their final command. Yeah. So, the Taro one is funny though, because if we go let's let's remove this cellio Spagozian one, if you go to the chara set up the record of the biggest gap the record of sustained defensive pairs with Brennan Carlo. The next season he got a new defensive partner and had a new

record because it was Charlie McEvoy. He was one year older. Sorry, Brando. Sorry about your luck, bud. Alright, summer shows continue. I'm gonna curious to see what you come up with for this one. The sheet is powered by FanDuel. Oh yes it is. It is the home of the same game parlay. Make every moment more on FanDuel. It's Monday July 21st. FanDuel is proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. No matter where you are you may find a flag with a picture of Steve Iserman on it in Beijing. Like me! Hockey is everywhere and doesn't matter what day

of the year it is you can always talk about hockey. Right Zach Phillips? What are we bringing from FD2Day? Well as you know there's no team that matters outside of the Greater Toronto area. Actually I think it changed now I think it's the GTHA maybe the Greater Toronto Halton area or something well anyways always the Maple Leafs okay Halton Hurricanes Matthew Schaeffer now that Matthew Schaeffer is in the NHL Toronto's claiming Matthew Schaeffer as one of their own he's not Halton he never played for the Hurricanes no no no no he just played in the area. He's in the Toronto Halt in there. His return home. Oh, okay, very good.

But it's always about the Maple Leafs. So, Vanduul has a pretty cool market. We have, who will score more points next season? Okay. Mitch Marner or Austin Matthews in the regular season? Mitch Marner minus 142, Auston Matthews plus 114. Marner, Marner. I'm guessing he'll play with Eichel,

he won't play with Hurdle. Mitch Marner gets more points than Auston Matthews. How about this one? Mitch Marner, higher or lower? 105 points. Hmm. I'll go higher. I will go higher. I think he's gonna set a career record next year. Playing with Eichel. Who was in the last year of his deal, by the way. Yeah that's another important piece. That's another important piece. How much cap space

the Bruins gonna have available. I mean how much cap space their Bruins gonna have available? I mean how much cap space or teams gonna have available? names no one's tampering no one's just gonna draw a line between Ikel and Boston Bruins and their need for Center local boy comes home story anyhow You're gonna get us Soft, soft, soft. This is soft. Oh, that's right. This is soft tampering.

Soft. Oh, that was a great phrase. Ah, mild treason. Soft tampering. That was Andlour, right? Soft. That was Michael Andlour? Yes, it was.

Yes. I like Andlour. Andlour, by the way, I think it was a gary octet reporter, this, was one of the teams that said like now we don't want this Decentralized draft nonsense. It's important for us to have everybody together. Good on Michael and lower Good on my okay. So I never I got an opportunity to say this to you and I don't want to drag the show out here forever, but

Who like sorry who the hell watched that draft Who like sorry who the hell watched that draft? Experience that draft and went. Yep. We got to do this next year. They won't do it like that They won't do like that. First of all, they got they got to make it quick. They know this they got to make it quicker I don't think doing the the zoom call where the frickin the player feels like he's being fired over zoom I don't think they're gonna do that again Where it's standing wearing hi boss in front of the mega screen of their of their new boss no no more please no no they they'll make it like I feel bad for Steve Mayer listen

the NHL doesn't want it like it's all doesn't want it fans don't want it agents don't want players don't want it nobody The NHL doesn't want it. Fans don't want it. Agents don't want it. Players don't want it. Nobody wants it except a bunch of the teams that just want to save the buck and have everything in a nice, controlled, tidy environment. And which is why, like the next time we hear people talk about doing things for the good of the game, like just like, don't listen to it.

Just don't. Just don't. It's easy to say good of the game when it's not your money involved. Do this for the good of the game. Oh, we gotta do this for the good of the game. Oh, this is why I's easy to say good of the game when it's not your money involved. Do this for the good of the game. Oh, we gotta do this for the good of the game. Oh, this is the way I do it. For the good of the game. You're not good for the game having an event where the whole hockey world comes together. Or making draft picks feel special. Welcome to the NHL. We're gonna make our draft pick feel so special we're gonna address him on

Zoom. Yeah. As far as putting together a painting property. This is over to Steve Merrin the NHL I think the first thing that probably addresses the time They do it Like honestly, I want to if it's if it's not gonna be like here come meet your team Like part of me just wants to say just put the pics on NHL calm Just think you know what they are like just put it up on Yeah the pics on NHL.com. Just if you know what they are like just put it up on NHL.com. Yeah. Look selfishly from the media standpoint. Hang on can I do one more real quick I think I threw this out while you were gone when incarcerated Vic was producing the program. Hostage Vic. Hold up a newspaper Vic. Let let us explain King and Morse code

Or is I think it oh yeah, you know you the NHL should do Any team wants to come can come shame them I'd always be there and let it be like I'll be there. I'll bring my table Yeah, and all the fans. How come my team doesn't'll be there. I'll bring my table. Yeah. And all the fans, how come my team doesn't want to do it? Oh, they did. Yeah.

And while you were gone too, the low mark was $100,000 for how much, I did a little snooping around on this one. The low end was $100,000. The high end was a million dollars I don't know who's spending a million dollars to schlep their team around to go to the draft or where they're putting them up. Oh to go to the draft? Yeah no I should have made that I should have framed that better yeah because the reason a lot of it a lot of it too is financial but yeah I get managers want like you know

closed quarters and have all the resources there and then I'll have to get everybody the airport and on planes to come back to do free agency by the way all of this is solved if you do a shorter NHL season I just want to throw that out there if you get the playoffs out of June you can do the draft earlier and teams can show up as you remove excuses But we're not going that direction Zach we are going the other direction and adding games and having comments about playing rounds and all this on top of an international schedule and

Whittling these players down to the end of their careers where they're just ribs and teeth and there's nothing more left to them because they've been the elite players that is work so hard but yeah just you know what you say you know here's the deal you want to come we'll accommodate you let us know by yeah let us know by the start of the playoffs if you're coming or not yeah and we'll look we'll accommodate will provide tables That's a good idea. I like that. No, so who the hell is spending a million dollars? That's that no no here Here's the thing so what I was what I budget better what I was told

This person said to me. I think like the the average that team spend is something around the two hundred thousand dollar I guess it's two200,000 to $300,000 that they would, between like flights and, you know, meals and hotels and all that. But the $100,000 is, $100,000 and $1 million are the two complete outliers here. Everyone else is more along the $250 300 or 200 to 300. That's from someone who's quote-unquote as I like to say in a position to know. Did you have any other final thoughts on that issue that that burned while you were away in the land of cork diving dogs and lemons? No, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so I like the drama of like, oh this guy got up to talk to that guy a lot of times They might just be saying hi like who the hell knows but I like it it gets reported blah blah blah

And then it's like, okay, it's fun. Maybe you speculate and it creates attention. The other part is It's cool for the kids. Like I have a buddy who was drafted in the fourth round He was at the draft. It's cuz it was closer to us But he was at the draft when he's got a picture of him Wearing the jersey wearing the hat shaking the GM's hand like he never played in the NHL, but he's gonna have that forever He's got t-shirts. I have t-shirts from the team He was drafted by I have hats from the draft because they gave him hats and shirts For his buddies to take up like those things. Can I guess who it is?

Yeah, go you know is it Jonathan Aang yeah it is I have four Panthers hats and t-shirts yeah but like it's just cool like that's an experiment experience that a lot of these kids will never get and like he never played in a game in the NHL he did score on Carrie Price in a preseason game that was that was cool but that's all right like he never played in a game in the NHL. He did score on Kerry Price in a preseason game that was cool but like he's gonna have that stuff forever and some of these guys just won't have it. But the other thing which I don't want to get into today but we'll be well we can revisit this in the future. I saw clips of you talking about load management and my head was gonna explode and I was like let's just enjoy this vacation.

I'll deal with this one. Load management to the NHL. You're right, it's coming and I don't disagree with you but this fucking bullshit. It should not be coming. I'm sorry. We went to the whole show no squaring, it's bullshit. Let me give you one of my favorite,

you were talking about Jonathan Eng and draft by the Florida Panthers and having all the swag and all that. Kids get drafted in the first round, they get the jersey and the hat and the whole deal, it's awesome. I love watching kids back at the hotel who are still wearing the jersey. Getting on the bus to go to the hotel, still wearing the jersey. Going to fly home the next day, still wearing the jersey.

All that stuff is, I'm a geek so that stuff's cool to me. Luke Robitite told me a story when he was drafted by Los Angeles Kings 1984 draft he was drafted in the ninth round let me get this here 171st overall they had nothing for him when he made his way down to the table to meet the team except for someone I guess it must have been a scout had an LA Kings pin took it off and gave it to Luke that's good well we got nothing welcome to the Kings future Hall of Famer future one of the best left wingers the game has ever saw. Want a pin?

Ha ha ha. Oh, that's good. I like that. That's good, eh? Get a pin. Yeah. So one of my buddies- Listen, your buddy got more than Luke Robitae got, okay?

Yes, well you wanna hear- I'm taking a pin. And one other one of my friends, he got drafted by an original six franchise. No such thing as an original six six by the way, but okay. I intentionally said that just to get you to respond. Thanks for having a nice summer too. He went to the development camp and he told us and I've seen all the gear he came home

with, they walked in, he said they walked into this room, all the prospects, all the rookies, all the kids, whatever, and it was tables laid out around the room. Sweaters, shorts, under stuff, t-shirts, hats, and they told them, take whatever you can carry. And he said he went, hoodies, jackets, hats, shorts, he's walking out, socks socks. He's got him like dude. You don't even need that. He's like, yeah, but They were offering it like free stuff fair enough like throwing tins in it. Yeah, yeah. So he said they went in and they just said whatever you can carry out of here, grab, and then he just loaded up on everything. One or two. Why not?

If you can, why not? The Never Hungry League. league. So good. I don't know, do we miss much today? Did much else really kind of happen that we should note upon? Gabe Velarde got a deal. That's avoids arbitration. This is arbitration week. Youleafy's got Dakota Joshua. So from sleeping in during the playoffs on with the St. Louis Blues to being reunited with Craig Borube, Dakota Joshua's back baby. The Leafs are gonna try to out panther the Panthers baby. Well, I don't like that concept, but I do like Dakota Joshua. But you see it happening.

I'm glad at that. You see it happening glad you see it happening yeah okay I was having a conversation okay I was having this conversation with my buddy Chris or in he's got a kid on on my my son's baseball team and so we're driving together to and to and fro between Aberdeen and Soville and Let me know what you think about this The one there's one player that your maple leaves

Have never recovered from losing like this this current edition of the maple leaves Room was his, brought something to the team that nobody else did, that nobody else since has done. Never gets talked about, ever, but the Leafs miss him more than anyone else, in my opinion. Who is that mystery player? Well because you're gonna say never talked about, was gonna go in cadre, but that's not no Jake Muzzin Jake Muzzin's a guy. Yeah, I could see that Yeah, as much as he John John Tavares his team is he had wore the sea That was his room Muzzin's team nobody played like that

Yeah, that's the good Nobody played like that. Yeah. That's a good point. You agree with that? I mean, you're a lot closer to following the Maple Leafs than I am. Very much, yeah, yeah. I really, I do agree with that. There was a, so what I was gonna say,

like when I started doing this, I was very much on the outside. I was just watching games, reading every single article, listening to podcasts. You could visibly see a change in, I don't wanna say like the character, but like the mindset or approach of the team when Muzzin got here.

Like you could see it in the interviews, you could see it in their media, you saw it when he was on the ace with the guys at practice, like it kind of shifted. And then when he was experiencing the injuries, you guys at practice like it kind of shifted and then when he was Experiencing the injuries you could see when he came out of the lineup It just felt and looked different each time and then the final Loss of him like the final blow where he that was it. It was like a fan. It was devastating

I'm like can't believe we lost this guy like you don't you can't replace that. No It's just hard to find. Every team wants it. All right, on that we'll hustle. So here's the schedule. I'm back, I think it's next Tuesday. Next Tuesday we're back doing shows. Got it?

Whatever you want. All right, you're back like fully back on board. Yeah, that's all. You traveling anymore? That was it, my vacation's out of the way. I got one of my good buddies weddings on August long weekend and that's it. If the show goes somewhere, I go. If the Leaf Show goes somewhere, I go.

But other than that, no more vacations. No more trips, nothing. All right. Talking to us. Welcome back. I'm glad you guys had a great experience. That's fine. And you'd go back.

You'd go back to Portugal? 100%, yeah, I would go back. I've always wanted to go. I'm not jealous at all. Nope. It's beautiful. It looks gorgeous. Freak dude, it looks fantastic. Good for you. Glad you had that one. Thanks

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It'll all be discussed and debated and chewed up and spit out here on the sheet. Again, we're back next Tuesday for the August part of the summer schedule. Until then, enjoy your week, we'll talk to you in eight days, conduct yourselves accordingly, and as always, make good decisions. Last night, every day, this week, every day, this month I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day to day Guess I can call it a rut

I went to the dark man, he tried to give me a little medicine I'm like, nah man, that's fine I'm not against those methods, but I me myself and how this gonna be fixing my mind I turn on the record I turn on the music I turn on the record I turn on the music Thanks for watching!