The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Where Next? ft. David Pagnotta & Bruce Boudreau

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

On this episode of The Sheet, host Jeff Marek is joined by NHL insider David Pagnotta to break down the latest developments in the Mitch Marner contract situation. Then, former NHL player and head coach Bruce Boudreau stops by to preview the highly anticipated Stanley Cup Final rematch, offering his insight into the key matchups and storylines to watch. Plus, the guys take a moment to talk about the Memorial Cup, which wrapped up yesterday with the London Knights capturing the championship in dominant fashion#TheSheet #JeffMarek #MitchMarner #NHLInsider #DavidPagnotta #BruceBoudreau #StanleyCupFinal #MemorialCup #LondonKnights #NHLPlayoffs #HockeyNews #NHL2025Shout out to our sponsors!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Ninja Kitchen Canada: https://www.ninjakitchen.ca/products/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system-zidFN101CGY?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=olv&utm_campaign=25Q2-Crispi&utm_content=en👍🏼Budweiser: https://www.budweiser.ca/ca_enReach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome aboard once again to the sheet for for this Monday June 2nd. Glad to have you aboard watching or listening or in the chat as well. That's always fun. Taking on life of its own. We have a number of things to get to today. Dave Pena from the fourth period is gonna stop by. Hockey insider. We'll talk about Mitch Marner and where he could be headed and is there a chance that he doesn't end up going anywhere? And perhaps who are some of the Dark Horse teams? You always have to wonder, like which are the teams

that kind of come out of nowhere at the last minute? The ones that after it happens, you say to yourself, well that makes sense. But leading up to it, you say to yourself, nah, there's no way that team's gonna be involved. So we'll talk to Dave about that. Also, Bruce Boutreau's gonna stop by the program. Kevin Weeks was gonna be aboard.

He had to postpone until the cup final is underway. We'll get Kevin on while the cup final is going. Gabby's gonna stop by. We'll talk about the Florida Panthers and the Edmonton Oilers as we finally get this thing going in a couple of days. And there's a big wait between games three and four as well. Just dragging this one out, eh? Just dragging this thing out.

So we'll get, and by the way, there's some great stories of Gabby that I wanna get into, including a game that he played when he played junior hockey Congratulations to London Knights Memorial Cup winners more on that in a couple of moments where the team that he was playing against To protest one single player on Gabby's team Their coach instructed the team to turn their sweaters inside out jerseys inside out and Turn their sticks upside down.

Zach, I've known Bruce Boudreaux a long time. I've always wanted to and you know those things where you think after a conversation, oh I meant to ask Gabby about this one game. We're going to reach, reach back into the Gabby story file and drought a game from 1975 when you can make the point as we're talking about Mitch Marner here with Dave in a couple of moments you can make the point that in his time in junior hockey where Bruce Boudreau was putting up like 150 160 points on the regular scoring like 68 goals a season. Like he was an insane goal scorer in junior. He was in some ways, if you squint real hard, he was kind of Mitch Marner of his era

in the 70s in junior hockey. And won a couple of Memorial Cups along the way in 73, 75. I know, grandpa's telling stories again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, whenever I hear Zach like, wow, that's usually my cue to get to our Daily Outline of the show today. Daily Outline powered by FanDuel.

Let's see if I can make it through this read without breaking my hip. Make every moment more with North America's number one sportsbook. Those are our friends and presenters at FanDuel. Nothing really to get to for FanDuel tonight. No games until Wednesday. Dave Pena from the fourth period stops by in a couple of moments. We'll talk about Mitch Marner specifically and where he could be headed and who the Dark Horse candidates for Mitch Marner could be. As I mentioned, Bruce Boudreau, he will stop by Stanley Cup Final Rematch. We'll get into a little bit with Bruce. Some great old stories about his time with the Memorial Cup and the London Knights winning their

third Memorial Cup with the Hunter brothers owning the squad. I think that qualifies as dynasty. Like you look at all the J. Ross Robertson cups, that's OHL Championship, the London Knights have won all the players. They've graduated to the NHL who have gone on to win the Stanley Cup, to say nothing of individual trophies and awards. It really has been remarkable, what the hunters have done with London. And I know there are a lot of London haters out there.

I understand, I get it. I know what you people are all about, but there is no denying that this team has been, and continues to be, an absolute juggernaut. With that we'll get to the one of the lead stories of the day and that is where's Mitch Marner going and this is a story that's going to continue probably until July 1st. He is Dave Penauda the fourth period hockey insider joins me now on the sheet. Dave you're in Edmonton. First of all before we get to Marner I'm guessing like there's an

electricity in Edmonton right now. It's kind of like every Saturday night in Montreal where every restaurant, every cafe, every gym, every bar, everywhere you go, they're talking about the Oilers in the Stanley Cup final, true or false? So far true. And there's Oilers merch and memorabilia and stickers and posters and balloons and everywhere. In the airport when you get there, just down the street from where I'm at,

the arena is just a couple blocks away. This entire area is already jam-packed. And with Oilers, memorabilia, Oilers colors, Oilers, everything, everything. It's going to be nuts. These, this entire week going into game one, at least on Monday. You know, one of my favorite things to do, maybe you do this at rinks, maybe you do this at large hockey gatherings where there's a lot of people wearing jerseys. Uh, I always try to find the most unique Jersey in the room. The one that's like the throwback, like the, Oh man, look at that old Lee Fogelin oil drop jersey

from back in the day. I don't know if that's a pursuit of yours, or maybe I'm just, you know, that board need to look for things to do, but does that sort of, have you seen any like old school oilers jerseys yet? Or are you still on the dry side of McJavids? No, not yet, not yet.

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My buddy was big on Owen Nolan. So pulled him in and got his jersey like, like the day after they acquired it. So I try to find like those kinds, those kinds of random ones. But my favorites are the one, and I'm trying to think of a good example. Like when, when Sam Gagne was traded, he went to Tampa, he was at Tampa Bay Lightning for like two hours and then got moved to Arizona.

So I'm always like, wait to see if anyone's like hipster enough to have the, the, the Sam Gagne Tampa Bay Lightning Jersey. Those are always very quietly my favorites. Guys that were there. Or like the, the Olaf Kolzig, Toronto Maple Leafs. You know, like technically he was traded there, but never played a game. Like that, that kind of hipster stuff, but I digress.

Um, speaking of Maple Leafs, uh, you know, you had a couple of interesting, um, you know, always good information you're putting out. Um, the most recent involving Mitch Marner and locations where he could be, uh, headed. And I always wonder about, okay, so what are we missing here? There's always one that's sort of lurking in the weeds, but as far as you've been able to, to glean and process, uh, throwing darts at the map here around North America, where should we be looking at darts to land?

Uh, I think, I think there's a couple in the Western conference, um, that are. Going to pursue, I think one more heavily than the other. Um, and that are both teams that Marner would absolutely consider signing with those two being Los Angeles Kings, uh, and the Vegas Golden Knights. Now I put LA ahead of the pack. I believe, um, the Kings are one of the teams, both of these teams are, but one of the teams that are probably propped a little bit higher on Mitch's list. I think he's got an internal list of teams that he would definitely consider.

And then kind of an expanded list based on what happens July 1, what kind of offers get presented, what kind of conversations they have. But I think LA is absolutely a team and a market that he is interested in exploring. And I think the Kings are gonna be fairly aggressive in pursuit of him, assuming he does in fact hit July 1, like myself and a lot of people expect.

I think Vegas is absolutely in that discussion as well. It's, it's, it's going to be difficult because they've got some cap issues and. Um, some, they're going to have to get a lot of, they're going to juggle. They're going to have to juggle. Like right now they're, they're shopping Nick Hague and they've been taking calls. They've been making others. Um, and he's an RFA. He doesn't even count towards the cap next year. So they're going to have to get creative in, in how this goes.

And, you know, they had conversations last summer. Um, I know the reports of, you know, Shay Theodore and, and I'm not wanting it, my understanding is Eric, excuse me, William Carlson was part of the discussion at one point as well. Um, and he's got some no trade protection. I believe that also played a factor, that whole this, in that whole discussion. But I think those are two, and then you're going to see teams that have the cap space that want to be

aggressive, Jeff. And I think, I think you're looking at, you know, Carolina, you're looking at Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago, and Utah among others, cause there's a long list, I think Philly, like there are going to be a lot of teams that are going to approach this guy and his camp. No, let me, let me, um, let me go back to when, when team's going to be a lot of teams that are going to approach this guy and his camp.

No, I mean, let me, um, let me go back to one, one team that you just named there a second ago. And I think that this is a team that's going to try again, it's going to be really hard, but I think this is a team that's going to really try. To aggressively in a season in an off season rather, Dave, where like the free agent class isn't the best that we've ever seen. Um, and, and Marnell is that class, but I think there's one team that's really going to try to take a major swing and they haven't for a long time. And you just mentioned the Anaheim Ducks a second ago. I think that they are poised, listen, for Pat for Beek, I mean, for the team, it's been, I think it's seven years and for Pat it's three and a half.

And, you know, is some of the shine sort of coming off and do they need to take that next step? What does ownership expect out of this Anaheim Ducks team? And at times, you know, certainly towards the end of the season, they started to look really good. Some players have emerged. Jackson LeCom is really emerged. I think you're waiting for Mason Mcdavish to take the next step in his career. But nonetheless, like, I don't know that, I don't know that Marner wants to go anywhere other than a team that right away is going to be competing for the Stanley Cup, but I would have to think that Anaheim is going to step up and take a major swing here. Yeah, I absolutely believe that. I think they've got a ton of cap

space and a willingness to spend it, a willingness to spend it in the right manner.. I think they've got a ton of cap space and a willingness to spend it, a willingness to spend it in the right manner. And I think approaching Mitch Marner and his camp falls under that category. I absolutely think they're going to be aggressive. Now, I don't know, like you were saying, I don't know if that's an environment, if that's a market and a team given where they're at right now that he wants to be in. Does he want to wait a little bit before they get legitimately competitive? Or does he want to go right into the fire right out of the gate? Like in LA or Vegas or Carolina or whomever. So that's kind of what he's going to have to juggle. But I absolutely believe Anaheim is going to be very much in play. I think Utah as well is going to be very much in play to try to

make something happen there among the other clubs. We know Carolina is, you know, wants to be aggressive. I get mixed signals when I try to ask people close to Marner's camp about a few teams, one of them being Carolina. So we'll see, obviously, there's a lot of runway here and we'll see how teams get creative to do any of these clubs, try to acquire his rights and if they do Mitch still has a no move until his contract expires. So he still has a say in that regard as well. Uh, how much does the eighth year matter to Marner you think? Uh, I, I don't think it does.

And, and with respect to acquiring his rights, I don't mean in a sign of trade. I just mean getting a head start in negotiations. Like if Anaheim, for example, feels like they can make a compelling case, can they acquire his rights for a draft pick to try to get him knowing? I think Mitch is going to July one, no matter what. But does it, is it worth it for a team like the Ducks or Utah or whomever to give up some draft capital, to get a headstart, to make a, a heck of a case to try to get him in there and maybe give them a headstart and maybe an edge on, on another club. But again, Mitch technically still has to say whether or not he's used to do that.

Columbus a factor here. I mean, we know that last time around contract negotiations that blue jackets for we're right there saying, here's a pen. Would you like to sign this? Uh, Columbus, perhaps. They've got the money. Um, and, and, you know, again, they're not afraid to take those financial steps. That's what I'm curious about.

I haven't heard much, quite frankly, and just speaking honestly, I haven't heard much from their side just yet. Maybe I will, maybe I won't ahead of July 1, but their money situation, their cap situation makes it intriguing. Same like the sharks. I think the sharks will, will, will at the very least make a decent pitch here, um, to try to convince them to, to maybe it's not necessarily an offer, but at least go after them, um, because of, and they've got the luxury of that cap space.

Columbus certainly does. Are they willing to go that similar route? Um, it's, it's one that's one that I'm certainly curious about. You know, it's interesting, Dave, all these teams that we're talking about all have one thing in common. They're all American. Is there any chance that Mitch Marner has any interest? And listen, we know the Toronto experience.

We know what that's like. We understand what that gauntlet can be like for a player, for a coach, for a manager, for anybody. Is there any chance that there's a Canadian team out there? I think Calgary will express interest. I think the Montreal Canadiens will express interest. Whether those are environments he wants to go in and be part of, honestly, I don't really get that sense. The Toronto experience, as you said, is yes,

certainly something that steals a lot of the spotlight. And yes, it's pressure cook or this and that, but so are a lot of these other markets, especially, you know, Montreal, you know, for example. I think there are other elements that occurred over Marner's tenure here, especially lately. And as latest as this playoff run that affected him and his family off the ice. I think there were some, fans can be a little ruthless, fans can be a little daring, I think there were some fans can be a little ruthless, fans can be a little daring. Some fans take it a little too far. And I think that played a bit of a factor here for him on this latest run. And I think that's going to factor into his decision being in a market that is as crazed as that. This is a totally different beast than people throwing stuff on the ice and jerseys and booing and just that and the other. I think guys can deal with that kind of stuff. It's the

other off ice element that factors in. So I do think Calgary has interest in pursuing. I think the Canadians will take a stab, but I don't get the sense right now anyway, that he's overly interested in him and his camper overly interested in exploring those avenues. I think a lot of it is going to be south of the border. So I had an interesting conversation with someone yesterday morning while I was walking my dog. And this person is convinced and it's a Canadian team is convinced and this would all be mainly ownership driven, that there is one

Canadian team that this person believes will take a serious run at Mitch Marner. He said, Michael Anlauer is a very competitive person and they have cap space and there's a clodgeroo question still to be answered there for Ottawa, but by and large, their forwards are all done. Like those contracts are done. He said, he said he's of the mind and doesn't know if it'll, if it'll get there, but that the Ottawa, I mean, Maple Leaf fans right now want to close their ears. Just the chaotic thought of Mitch Martin, Ottawa senators, Dave, do you have a thought we listen, we all know how come I've, I got to know Michael Andlour when he,

when he, when he was a, was an owner in the Ontario hockey league. I know how competitive this guy is and the stakes are even higher here. And this would be right in the sweet spot of the bat for Michael Andlour. You have a thought on that one? Yeah. It, I mean, look, it's twofold. It's one, you get the best player in the free agent market that just scored 102 points and you get them the hell out of Toronto.

So it's a double win for the Sens. Look, I wouldn't be surprised if they take a stat. Like I think there are going to be a lot of teams that are going to call up as soon as they have that opportunity to and say, we're serious about this. Are you going to consider us? And maybe here's a few bullet points as to why, and then we'll give you the full package after. It wouldn't shock me if it's Ottawa. I just, again, every sense I get is, I would be surprised if, if any of the, if, if

Calgary, Ottawa, Montreal, um, barring a significant, significant dollar value, um, are, are, are going to get into the serious race here with, with respect to, to Mitch Marner. I think he sat on a couple of markets or a few markets, excuse me. A couple of them I mentioned earlier. Um, I'd be very surprised if he, first of all, if he stays on the East coast of the Canadian side of things, Ottawa or Montreal, uh, that would be very, very surprising for me. Maybe it's just Occam's razor and it's Carolina at the end of the day.

We know he's interested in maybe may believe their fans will say, what, he wouldn't wave to go to Carolina and they're ranting in deal and now he's signing in free agency. Oh, it's a double burn. Listen, yeah, well- And the other- Go ahead. The other fun connection, like we know how big of a Doug Gilmore fan he was. Awesome.

Dougie played on the Habs. Maybe that's their edge. I'm reaching I'm being silly. Played on the Flames too. Well yes well yeah good point you started out there. Started out there. There's St. Louis Blues we can throw that in there and he played his junior in Cornwall not in London okay so scratching that one up none the less. Dave this is great listen enjoy the first week of the Stanley Cup Finals. We will check back regularly. Thanks so much for this update. Really appreciate it. You got it, buddy. Thank you. Did you know socks are one of the most requested clothing items by organizations addressing

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That's bombas.ca slash the sheet and use the sheet at checkout. There he is. The great Dave Pena talking about the Mitch Marner situation. Maybe police fans want to maybe cover their ears when they hear talk about Michael and Lauer trying to, trying to grab Mitch Marner. I hear talk about Michael Andlour trying to grab Mitch Marner. But that would fit the MO of how the Ottawa senators want to operate. Listen, Andlour is an aggressive owner. Steve Steyos isn't shy.

And they have some cap space to do this thing. But as we look for this free agent class to produce a couple of catalogs, which is kind of that term that I've reserved for Sam Bennett. And make no mistake about it, the more that I talk to people around the league, like more teams emerge that are going to take a serious swing if he gets there. And there's no guarantee that he's going to get there. But, you know, his Cortex agent, Darren Ferris, likes to walk players to free agency, even just to have a look at what is out there. If he does get there, there are a lot of, listen, there's gonna be a lot of teams. There's gonna be a lot of teams

that will look at a couple of free agents and will say to themselves, I know it's only 50 regular season points for Sam Bennett, but we're not trying to win the president's trophy. We're trying to win the Stanley cup. And the question they asked themselves is sure. The 50 points is the 50 points. We get it.

It's he's not going to win the scoring title, but come playoff time. That's those guys that are going to get you through. Those playoff type players. One of the other teams that I'm really curious about, I wrote about this at the blog today on my Monday blog at dailyfaceoff.com. I wonder if the Dallas Stars somehow get involved here. Now that would take some cap machinations, obviously.

But again, no tax state, if that's important to Mitch Marner, so is Nevada, so is Florida. Does he end up on one of those teams? But Dallas would be interesting, and maybe one of the ways that you get there is if you end up dealing someone like Jason Robertson, who's a restricted free agent after one more year with arbitration rights. Maybe, maybe that happens. But I think Dallas is going to very much be in the,

we're out there shopping and we're out there for, for big fish. And we're out there trying, for Big Fish and we're out there trying, trying to make our team better to get past the conference final because we've sort of been stalled there. Anyhow, looking forward to getting Bruce Boudreaux aboard here in a couple of moments. A couple of things before I bring Bruce aboard. Congratulations to the London Knights, the Hunter family, Mark and Dale owners, Mark general manager and Dale head coach. They won the Memorial Cup a year after losing to the Saginaw Spirit, Michael Miser and Zane Parek's team last year. They win the Memorial Cup and they knock off the Medicine Hat Tigers in a valiant effort by Gavin McKenna and now like this was a weekend where as everybody was watching the Memorial Cup and it was great, like the NHL didn't have anything going, the series

were all done and there were a lot of eyeballs on Sunday's Memorial Cup final between London and Medicine Hat. You know, there are a lot of things that were happening in this dynamic between the CHL and NCAA. Like, the whole development model now has changed as we all know. Junior kids in Canada playing with the CHL can now sign and join NCAA Division I schools. And that sort of changed everything. And this is the first year of it. So everything is going to seem so much more magnified. But then eventually we're just going to sort of settle into, well, this is just the way that it's going to be. Jack Ivan Kovac, the netminder for Brampton,

prospect for this year's NHL draft, made his commitment to Michigan. A couple of weeks before we saw Malcolm Spence make a commitment to Michigan. Like there's been a number of players. And there was a lot of talk about Jackson Smith, who's a defenseman that plays with Tri-City, and has he signed a commitment letter with Penn State? And there was a lot of talk about Jackson Smith. He's a defenseman that plays for Tri-City

and has he signed a commitment letter with Penn State? He has not officially yet. There's been a conversation. There will be a visit, but as of right now, it hasn't happened. But for the purposes of this weekend, the one player that everybody is wondering about and has ever since this announcement came out, I was wondering about Gavin McKenna and

whether Gavin McKenna leaves the Western Hockey League, Madison at Tigers, and goes and plays Division 1. Now I think he's going to make three visits if he and I again I don't know if he's already had the conversations. I believe he's gonna make three visits. The three teams that are three schools, I like to say teams, three schools that are most interested, as I'm told, are Michigan, no surprise, Michigan State and Penn State. No idea which way this is going to go. You could look at the stats and his performance and the 54 game point streak and 129 points this year and you say to yourself, you know what, he probably needs another challenge. He probably needs to play at

a higher level, play against older players and test himself in his draft year and say to yourself, yeah he's going to division one, Michigan, Michigan State or Penn State. And John Buchagras put out the tweet with a picture of Kevin McKenna and beside him the Spartan implying Michigan State. I'm told all of this is way, way premature. There's a couple of other players that we wonder about as well but now that the CHL season is over we're going to start to see some players leave and you're also gonna see you know plenty of players leave other leagues like the USHL, namely, and go to the OHL. There's a defenseman by the name of Callum Crosscarey who is a second round OHL pick

of the Sioux St. Marie Greyhounds, played with the Chicago Steel. I'm told he'll sign with the Sioux as early as this week. He's a projected first rounder next year in the NHL draft and Adam Valentini who was a high first round pick of Mississauga then got traded to Kitchener or his rights did. I'm told the Kitchener Rangers are inching closer to signing an agreement with him and that's another player who's projected to be a first round draft pick next season. You know we talked to Dan McKenzie the president of the CHL about this last week and look there's gonna be a lot of players leave the USHL and go

to Canadian Major-Junior Hockey. There's gonna be a lot of players that leave the CHL early and go play Division 1. My thought through all of it is, and I agree with Dan McKenzie on this one, we're not gonna really know what this full model is going to be, at least for a couple of years. And one thing, actually one thing to keep in mind too, that once a player is drafted, if they sign an NHL contract, they can't play Division 1 hockey, NCAA. Like that's it, it's done. And I know there are a couple of players that until the draft is over and they see which teams that they're with, will they make their decision? Like I think about, you know, Michael Misa specifically.

I don't think he's going to make his mind up at all until after the draft. There's been tons of rumors about him going back a long way, but I don't think he's in any position to make his mind up. In the meantime, our next segment and our next guest. I am so looking forward to this. This segment is a presentation of Budweiser. Budweiser is encouraging buds to make time for playoffs, not excuses. Every goal, every check, every win is better enjoyed with your buds. Phone a bud, text a bud, ping a bud, and call out their excuses for bailing on the playoffs. After all, the playoffs are the most wonderful time of the year. Make them count. When it's springtime, it's go time. It's time for us to welcome to the program NHL coach, NHL commentator, the

one and only Bruce Boudreau. Gabby, how are you today? Good, Jeff. How are you today? I'm doing well. I don't know. I was just talking about junior hockey before you came on. And I want to get a couple of stories in about 1973 and 1975 and some of your background in Junior hockey with the Marlboros, but did you get a chance at all to watch this year's edition of the London Nights? I know was on the NHL Network Stateside TSN up here in Canada. Did you get a chance to get a peek at that at all? Well, I watched the Memorial Cup. London played a couple games, I watched them.

I watched them lose to Niagara in Niagara 4-3. Who coached that team? Who coached that team, Gaby? Yeah, my kid. I think this was, London was on a 13 game win streak too, and we were on a 13 game losing streak or something silly. So that was really fun to see them beat them. But you could definitely, to me,

you could definitely tell the difference between them and a regular junior game. I mean, their passes were, uh, were clicking. They were on the tape, the movements in their defensive zone, the defensive system or just the structure that they had in, um, quite frankly, in the last 10 minutes of that game were, uh, yesterday were pretty incredible. I mean, the Dale had him playing like a pro team. It was pretty fun to watch. It really was.

When you think back to your time playing junior hockey with the Marlboro's, like, you played on a couple of dynamite teams, 73 and 75. 75, you were the bell. You were the darling of the dance. Like, every time you touched the puck, it went in. Like, that was a tremendous season for you. What memories come to mind for you of either playing junior hockey then

or the Memorial Cup? You're a part of two of them. Well, the Memorial Cup was such a special event. The first one we won in right in Montreal and we were playing against Lanny McDonald, Tom Lysiak, a lot of great, they turned out to be a lot of great NHL players on that team. The Gassoff brothers, I just remember all those things. The 75 team,

we played against New West who was really a tough team. Again, all those Western teams in the 70s were extremely tough. I talked to Stan Schmiel, he played on New West at the time when I was in Vancouver and talking about how tough their team was. Sometimes psychologically, your coach helps you win so much. talking about how tough their team was and, and how it was, uh, you know, I mean, sometimes psychologically your coach, uh, helps you win so much. Like, I mean, the first game we played them, we had watched them play the night before and they beat up a month.

Uh, I think it was Sherbrooke, a Sherbrooke team pretty well. And here we were, we were pretty petrified. My kitchen was our biggest player, uh, him and Trevor Johansson, they're both under six feet. So, I mean, uh, um, we were wondering what the heck's going to happen to us. And we were intimidated that first game and they beat us. And then the next game, when we played them in the final, I remember George Armstrong coming in the dressing room pretty mad before the game.

And he said, listen, tonight, I know you guys want revenge But if any one of you fight, I'm gonna never play you again And that gave us all the permission to be scared and just to go out and play our game And like where we didn't think we had to be hey We got to come back and and show how tough we were that was that was such a great psychological move and we beat them 7-3 I think Something like that in the final, but that year our team was, was so good, like, I mean, offensively, I mean, um, I think we had nine 40 goal scorers and, um, and even in the Memorial PEP, we didn't, we didn't have John Tonelli because he, uh, refused to sign his contract after his 18th birthday

cause he wanted to be drafted or be able to go to the WLJ. He had 135 points that year. We lost, arguably, our best center. At the same time, we still were able to fill in with Lynn Jorgensen, who was a 40 goal scorer. And he was playing left wing and he played center. Mike Kazicki moved up to the second line center. And I mean, he had 170 points in junior the next year.

So I mean, we had such a good team with Mark Napier and John Smirk, John Anderson, John Tonelli. I mean, I mean, there was, there was just so much offense. Pardon me. The Howes, Mark and Marty. They in the first year, Mark and Marty Howe. I mean, uh, I remember when we won nine one in the finals and Mark got four points. And, um, I remember somebody threw a magazine on the ice

at one time during the game. And he just stick-handled around the magazine, went in, shot, and scored. And everybody just looked on the bench and went, wow, this guy's going to be something else. It was the famous game, to be quite frankly, where George Armstrong locked himself in the in in like the stick room and he missed the first five minutes of the second period.

I don't know if you ever heard that he was in there in a smoke. He was having a smoke in the in there and he shut the door behind him and we all went on the ice and he couldn't get out there by the time he came on the ice. We had scored two goals. He just looked at the bench. Why do you guys need me here for like this? Like his George Armstrong would, but, um, yeah, very talented teams. I was like, maybe part of, uh, listen, you were part of a couple of powerhouses there and you're a Memorial cup winner.

I want to ask you, there's one game. That Gabby and all the years that I've known you, I've never asked you about, and this is a game between your Marlboros and HapM's St. Catherine's Blackhawks. And who was it? It was Mark Napier, who had signed a contract with the WHA for the year after. And HapM's didn't like that,

that made him a pro player, so he shouldn't be playing. So now you can fill in the blanks, the rough sketch, the skeleton of the story that I understand is that Happems had them turn their sweaters inside out, turn their hockey sticks over, and play with the butt of their sticks instead of their blades. The final score, by the way, I checked,

was 14-0 for you guys. with the butt of their sticks instead of their blades. The final score, by the way, I checked, was 14-nothing for you guys. I gave me two goals in the text. I don't know where that would have come from, but I mean. 14 cobs. Yeah. You know, the game was played in Brantford, too,

which was our home away from home that year. And so, I mean, like, we couldn't understand, but, you know, kids our age, we're going to continue to try and play. Like, I mean, if they're going to be idiots and do that, and then I don't know, but I mean, I won the scoring championship that year by a few points, but if it wasn't for this game, I probably wouldn't have won it. So, I mean, uh, it, uh, it's crazy, but I mean, uh, obviously we just, yeah, they were, they were trying, but they couldn't try, they were trying to be vicious.

I think more than anything with us in the protest, but, uh, and I don't quite know if they did it the whole game. Um, something tells me that they changed, they changed halfway through or after the first period, but the damage had already been done and their hearts weren't really into the game. But I mean, 14-0. But you know what? That year in Brantford, we played 20 games and we averaged over 10 goals a game offensively. Like, I mean, we were, we were pretty offensive minded team. I believe, and again, I could be wrong. I've never checked this, but speaking of, of, of, of games where you scored a lot of goals,

what was the story about the game where you scored five power play goals and were still a minus? Yeah, that's a Memorial Cup game. As a matter of fact, we played Kitchener. And again, we were playing the Quebec team. We had fun against those guys. Weren't very good defensively back in the day. And we won, I think, nine something. It was the second game of the Memorial Cup and I got five goals, all power play goals and they had one of the goals scored against us. So like I've done talks before,

we're saying like, I mean, I was minus one. Whoever goes minus one and they score five goals in the game. Like, I mean, you, you're either the worst defensive player in history or something strange is happening. It's a grand story. But before you came on, Gabby, I wanna get to the Oilers and the Panthers here in a second. We're talking about Mitch Marner and where he could end up and what's his value, et cetera.

I'm curious as a coach, because every time I talk to Adam Oates, he always just raves about Marner, all the seductive skill, all of it. Oates, he just loves them, just loves Marner. When you watch Mitch Marner, all the seductive skill, all of it. Otzi just loves him, just loves Marner. When you watch Mitch Marner, what do you think? Like what do your coaches' eyes see? I see a lot of the same thing.

I think he's an unbelievable player. I mean, the first time we coached against him, I don't even remember what team it was, but I remember the circumstances that I can't I was saying after the game that he had like eight breakaways that game didn't score any and we won the game but I said that guy's a superstar he's the best player on that team and I still believe that he's the most talented player on Toronto very rarely have you seen a guy being a have the vision that he has from the blue line in and, um, the, the ability to pass the puck.

I mean, I think everybody in the world wants them to shoot more, but, uh, you know, he's, he's one of those guys that just, uh, he sees a guy opening. He takes more pleasure in getting a great assist than he does in a goal. And I mean, most guys are completely the opposite, but I think Mitch is one of those guys that gets more pleasure out of being, getting, and getting the helper. And the other thing too is he's, he's so smart. He can play defense, you know, albeit, you know, the not, not the best defenseman in the world, especially not the biggest one, but I mean, and, um, you know, he can

play center, he can play right wing, he kills penalties. I mean, just overall his brain power when it comes to hockey is, is really, really good. Who are some of the guys I'm curious because I'm sure you've seen them. I'm sure you've coached them. I'm sure you've seen them. I'm sure you've coached them. I'm sure you've played with them. Guys that you just couldn't coax a shot out of. Like I'll give you one that you coach. I'm sure there were times where you would have screamed at Ryan

Gets laugh to shoot the puck more great shot. We could fire it, but like past past distribute, distribute all the time. Yeah, I would scream it and 17,000 people would be screaming it right behind me in the stands. I mean, but he's one, Nick Backstrom was another. Nick had so many opportunities to score 30 to 40 goals, but I mean, every time he got the puck inside the blue line, he was looking for Alex and uh, you take him aside and you say, Nick, if you want to make Alex better, you shoot more, he'll get open more. But he was always a past first guy. I mean, uh, tremendous at it, but I mean, you get, get a little frustrated with it at

the same time. Gets laugh for him. We're probably the two best examples that I had. Like, I mean, even Pedersen was always looking to make the play until you really had to start coaching him to shoot. And when he shot, like the first year that I was in, then he was started scoring a lot of goals. Then people attack him. Then it becomes opening and he's got great vision. He'd see the guy and he'd give it to them.

What was he like to coach? Was he an easy player to coach, a challenging player to coach, Petterson that is? No, he was easy. You just had to be able to communicate with him and talk to him and tell him what you wanted. I mean, he was very similar to Mike Green in that he wasn't a guy that really accepted yelling and screaming at him very well. But if you talked to him and you brought him in

and you said, I need you to do this, I need you to do that, he's a very confident guy in his ability. He would come up to me and say, I wanna play against McDavid, I wanna play against McKinnon. And like the first day there, he said, listen, I can kill penalties. Let me kill penalties.

And the penalty killing was so bad that I think the Vancouver was 60% when I got there. Put him on to killing penalties. And by the end of the year, we were 80% or at least from the time I was there till the time we left. And that's courtesy of Brad Shaw doing it. But I mean, he had such great vision. I mean, he could anticipate where passes were and everything. So, I mean, I mean, if they get back to it and let him do that,

I think he'd be very good at it. Okay. Um, quickly, the, uh, the Oilers and the Florida Panthers, like we're waiting a long time and we're still waiting a couple of more days. the Oilers and the Florida Panthers, like we're waiting a long time, and we're still waiting a couple of more days. What do players and coaches think of long delays between series, like Gabby, now it's the dog,

we don't even have junior hockey to watch now, like everything's done, and now we're just waiting. What do you think? I think the players are the same way. They wanna play in the night, and if they could. And the waiting, they're all ready to play. It's been a long year. They're know that it's not gonna By waiting extra days. It's not gonna get them more rest Because the angst of not sleeping before the Stanley Cup final would probably keep them more tired

But I mean and it's funny because I remember, uh, me and George McPhee talking the one night, one time we had beaten the Rangers in five and we were waiting for the next series. And George had told me like they ended up being Pittsburgh versus, um, Tampa. And Tampa came back from a three, one deficit and one in seven. And he said, when do you want to play? And I, uh, I said, we want to play them right away while they're tired.

And so, I mean, but so they ended on a Sunday, we ended up playing a Tuesday. But I remember this for the reason that any team that plays and you think a team is tight they're still in game seven mode they haven't even gotten a chance we want them we should have wanted them to relax and get out of game seven mode but they didn't they come right into our building and beat us in game one and because they were still playing like they were playing in game seven so I think all the players they uh they w they want to get this thing started because they don't want to get out of, uh, the mode they were in when they were winning, you know, like, I mean, they, they don't want to have to start over again.

They want to feel that way. And it's tough to have really tough practices at this stage of the year. When, when you're talking, you're playing in June. What are you looking for in this series? Like the, I mean, we're all watching Connor McDavid and listen to the McDavid this year in the playoffs. Someone was mentioning this to me the other day, unlike other playoff series, it seems as if Connor McDavid, like we've seen McDavid try to be physical

before and you say to yourself, okay, that's not McDavid's game. You want him to skate. It looks like he's finally realized other guys can do that. I'm here to skate. I'm here to make plays. I'm here to score goals. Like he's like clearly defined. This is my role.

Let everyone else do the hitting. When you look at this team and how you break it down and Barkov just wins the Selkie today. And how do you like measure up the Oilers versus the Florida Panthers? Well, you know what? To me, the series was so close last year. I think in the end, the big difference might be who's got home ice. And Florida had it last year, and Edmonton has it this year. So I think that's going to be a big difference.

But both teams play the same way in that they're in your face. If you looked at the series with Dallas and and Edmonton, there was no room to skate and ever like for the for Dallas who's a very good offensive team. They were in your face on top of you all the time and but and if you look at the Florida series that they've been having, I mean the they were like that against Carolina in four to the five games. They were like that against Toronto, especially in games five and seven. I mean, Toronto had nowhere to go. They did just everywhere that you look.

Florida was on you. But the one thing that I really like about Florida is they remind me, and this is a stupid analogy again Wayne Gretzky used to when they had their teams down five to one in the third period teams sort of relaxed and Wayne would get three or four points in the third period because teams had relaxed to me Florida when I'm watching them Once they had a team down they were hitting harder and going after them harder and harder and harder They didn't not only not let up, they kept pushing and pushing. And I thought that was what a difference that was making against any team they played.

But now you look at Edmonton, they're doing the same thing. They're playing like Florida. So I think this is gonna be a tremendous series. And the shots might be six five at the end of the third, because nobody's going to everybody Everybody's going to be coming after them But I mean, I think it should be a great series for that reason

I look at these two teams and I say to myself both these teams got better since last year You know both are improved Edmonton's deeper. I wonder if the whole thing just comes down You know, you mentioned home ice advantage, but we'll close on this one, Gabby. I just wonder if the whole thing comes down to goaltending. If everything washes and it comes down to who's gonna make the last save. Too simple?

No, but I think that's where you look everywhere else and that's the biggest thing. But the only other thing that I would add to that is Florida has Barkov. And Barkov is the best defensive forward in the league. He'll be playing against McDavid for at least you're getting him three out of the seven games at home. And I think every team that Edmonton has played hasn't had a Barkov to be able to play against

him. Now LA had Kopitar, but Kopitar is 37 years old. It's a different Kopitar. You know, I mean, so I mean, but that would be the only big, great matchup that you want to see. McDavid going a hundred miles an hour and Barkov trying to be positionally above him every shift. And you add that and then the goaltending, you still, I'm still here not knowing whether I'm getting the good Stuart Skinner or the bad Stuart Skinner. And I mean, I, but you

know you're going to get Bobrovsky. He might let a bad goal go in or he might not be ready to play, but by the time the third period comes around, he's stopping everything. So, I just think it's gonna be a great series and it's gonna be a good revenge series if that's at all possible. And this one, hopefully, we cross our fingers, has seven games written on it.

Let me end on this one. One of the things that I'm most impressed by with the Florida Panthers, like there are players that are good skaters, like Gustav Forestling's a good skater, but there's really not, it's not a team of burners. Like no one's gonna compete with Connor McDaven, even on Edmonton.

Like yeah, Connor's exceptional. Kasperi Kapanen can fly. But what really impresses me about Florida is no one's winning a race here. They just compete harder than, than everybody. You know, we just keep saying, oh, yeah, bad boots, can't skate too slow. All that Florida Panthers and the winning Stanley Cups. Like, do we put too much of a premium on fast feet in the league? Well, sometimes we do because Corey Perry a premium on fast feet in the league?

Well, sometimes we do because Corey Perry skates the same way as he did when he was 18. And, you know, like he seems to be having a pretty good playoff right now. Yes, he does. So, I mean, he's having, you can't take away the smarts and the positioning. If this was boxing, those guys that on both teams that aren't great skaters, they know how to cut off the ring, you know, and use their angles and things. So I mean, but you're right, they're not the fastest team in the league. But I mean, you know what? They have an awful lot of smart players. And I'll take the smart players who know how to play positionally Over the fast players that just skate a hundred miles an hour

I I used to see some some players that could skate so fast when I played but they couldn't think and the only thing that stopped them were the end boards and I don't I Don't think that's the case rate. We're oh I don't think that's the case right where oh I just like that Gabby froze right here in this series coming up and and then when they had the puck oh really I know you're back. No you're back. We just froze for a couple of that I'm just gonna I just gonna throw in the punch line and it looks like there are the the puck had corners When it was on their stick they could fly but you put the puck on their stick and you swear

It's a it's a rectangle not a circle Great Gabby. Thanks pal. Always good catching up. Thanks for sharing some great stories too about 73 and 75. You'll be good. We'll check in regularly. They were great memories. We'll talk soon. There he is. The great Bruce Boudreaux. How about that one there, Zacharu? Turn the sweaters inside out, turn the sticks upside down. We're protesting.

That's a good one. I like the getting locked in the locker room. Have a smoke. George Armstrong. Have a smoke. No. It's not just that he got locked in the locker room There was a coach that I had playing minor hockey who got locked in the locker room one time

But he was not having a smoke I could tell you that oh, what was he doing Zach? Using the facilities and he got forgotten oh you don't say like George Armstrong Blessing like such a such a a wonderful guy. I'll never forget when TSN was doing the draft, that pan by the Maple Leafs table where he popped out his false teeth. You ever see that? You ever see that one where he popped out his false teeth on camera? That is only outdone by my... Did I ever tell you about the Met Center draft with the Maple

Leafs? Did I tell you this story? Harold Ballard? No, I don't think so. Oh man. I can tell this. So it's 1990, the Minnesota Met Center draft, and John Wells and Bill Waters, Billy is the one that told me this story when I worked Leafs Lunch with Bill. They're doing the draft for TSN. It's not the big production that it is now. So they're at the Met Center and

they opened up the opening shot of outside the Met Center and they come inside and they're going table to table to table. And that would have been Met Sandean draft, I think, so Quebec was picking first. Anyway, so they're going through all the tables. Here's the Los Angeles Kings. here's the Quebec Nordiques, here's the Montreal Canadiens, here's the hosts, Minnesota nurse stars, blah, blah, all the way down. And here's the Toronto Maple Leafs. And the TSA camera goes by,

and all the Maple Leaf scouts and everybody has their feet up. All right? Has their feet up on the table. Everybody. And so John Wells says to Waters, something along the lines of like, what are the Maple Leafs doing here? Like what is this? And Bill says, Stammer says, like oh it's a cocky bunch they probably

have like some secret pick that they're, I think it's like Drake Barajowski from North Bay. Anyway, and so we just like bullshit something. And then, Watter says he goes up to Tom Watt, who would have been one of the scouts with the Maple Leafs at that time, he's like, what are you doing? Like our cameras come by, you guys all throw your loafers up on the table. And he goes, oh, it was so bad.

So Harold Ballard, the owner, who was in a wheelchair at that point in his life, late in his life, he was gonna pass away a couple years later. He's at the head of the table and he's pissed off that the Minnesota North Stars have put the Maple Leafs table as far away from the washroom as possible. And he's gotta fire one.

And so as the cameras are coming by, Harold's like, all right, feet up boys. And sure enough, out comes the rope and he has a squirt on the floor at the Met Center at the draft. As the cameras coming by, there's Harold just letting one fly. Because he didn't want to go all the way to the washroom. This was the NHL.

Oh my god. Zach, this was the NHL before Gary Bittman took over. Stories like this like they're all Beat up boys You got you got caught by the chat What producer Vic I waited producer Vic pointed out Eric suit jacket and shorts Yeah, Nick Davis says Jeff's legs make their sheet debut. It's mine you know and I just didn't you know what it is it's my it's my old Peter Mansbridge the national look I got the suit jacket and

shorts it's good look eh that's a good one it's it just that story and your legs making their debut on the show. One day. One day I'll tell you this. I'll tell you the story about. That's unreal. I had a, one day remind me to tell you the waxing kit story. You're talking about legs. I'll tell that one when we're really bored one day.

We'll save that. We'll save that. Save that one? That's good. I also have a fun fact for you. Oh yeah? Does it beat wizard on the floor of the draft? No, not even close. I kind of don't want to tell it, but I think I have to at this point. Go for it. There are two players who are playing against each other in the Stanley Cup final this year Yes, who play whose parents played junior a hockey together in?

1981 tier 2 oh Wow whose parents did Who Is it the Browns no it is not oh wait a minute is it is it Brian McDavid no it is not who is it it is Brad Marchand and a Vander Kane 1981 for the Dartmouth arrows. Yep. Yep. And then his family would have moved to British Columbia because I think he was Vancouver born.

Kane was. Really? Well, that's a good fact. Well, that's a good one. Yeah. I saw that one online here, but hold on, I got a picture for you. There we go.

No way! Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Middle row, Kevin Marshawn. Yeah, look at that. But the comment said, Brad Marshawn's dad just looks like

Brad teleported back in time and it's kind of hard to tell in this picture I tried to get a little closer but it literally is just Brad Marshawn. That looks so good look at those jerseys oh man I'll tell you what East Coast hockey so in Nova Scotia this is I think this would have been like god in the 40s, 30s, maybe even 20s. In Nova Scotia so the way you would break up fights like put it this, Nova Scotia was noted for having like the worst brawls in hockey. Period. Okay? The worst.

And the only way, because the officials couldn't stop the fighting, right? None of it, they'd have like games where like the police would hit the ice. The only way that they could get people to stop fighting on the ice is they would play God Save the Queen or God Save the King I suppose over the loudspeakers. This is before O Canada in the late 60s because the law was when that anthem was played you had to stop what you're doing and stand at attention. So they would play that to try to break up brawls because everyone had, you're breaking the law, you're gonna get arrested. So they would play that. I always thought that was BS, okay?

And then I came across, and I've got it somewhere in the back here, a video of the 1965 Memorial Cup between the Edmonton Oil Kings and the Niagara Falls Flyers. That's what the Falkenberg-Sanderson incident. And it's a massive brawl. Like Derek Sanderson clocks Bob Falkenberg, he's out, he's unconscious and Turk gets on him and keeps hitting him. Cops hit the ice.

I showed this to Bob McGill, okay, and Bob McGill said, my dad was at this game. He always told me about this and I never believed him at the old Edmonton Gardens. And sure enough, as the cops are hitting the ice and people going, Craig, everyone's fighting, it's crazy. And one of the linesmen already has like a bandage on his hand from an earlier incident breaking up a fight. It's chaos, it's one of the most chaotic brawls I've ever seen.

I'm watching this a couple of times, and then I realize faintly in the background, they're playing God Save the Queen. As they're trying to get everybody to stop fighting. Like, shit, that story's true. It's actually a true story. How'd you play the anthem to try to get people to stop fighting?

That's the legacy of Nova Scotia, folks. That's good. In the Aurora Community Center, where the Aurora Tigers play, they have a massive... I would assume it was a painting that got copied into a blown up size picture of the Queen. Oh yeah, Peterborough. Does that happen in Peterborough too? Yeah, Peterborough... Who was it? The lead singer from Skid Row, his mom painted it. Really? Yeah yeah yeah Peterborough, the most famous one was at the old Winnipeg

Arena. Okay. Which I think might be still in storage, but Peterborough is the same. Yeah. Yeah, the Burke Burke the Burke family. Oh Yeah, a lot of ranks used to have that used to used to always have pictures of the Queen everywhere Interesting it's kind of funny. That's funny hockey man to get them to stop fighting. Yes. Thank God save the Queen Stop boy. Stop fighting. Stop all this stuff all the rough. Okay. Let's get into a couple of more things here We have to get into Man, we've had fun today. I woke up this morning. I'm like, what the hell are we gonna talk about on today's show? Next thing you know, I'm firing my Gams on the screen and we're talking about Playing God save the Queen

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I also put the Instagram in the comments chat right now. Oh great. At the sheet hockey on Instagram, at the sheet hockey. So people can go over there and find it. This is what we have for the Ninja inbox for today. Hey Jeff, a bunch of times I've heard you say the phrase, if you're listening to slash watching a show like this you already know Blank it's not the case for me and I'm emailing because there are others in the same boat consider being a hockey

fan of core part of their identity But back when they were younger they'd write every televised televised game on the calendar so they could watch them all Now in their 30s they have to wait and not be able to catch up on everything because they're waiting for playoff hockey, but not to put any pressure on the show or anything. There are no stakes here whatsoever, but I thought you'd appreciate the perspective. That's not to everybody, do they know. Trevor from Kitchener, let's go Red Wings. That's a Red Wings. That's a really good reminder. You know, I just always assume that because this is a show

where you have to take a couple of steps to find it, that you're a pretty hardcore hockey fan. But I'm always, Zach, my entire career, and I was taught this early on, don't be an arrogant broadcaster. Don't assume that everybody knows exactly what you're talking about and don't be afraid to go back and repeat yourself

because there's always gonna be new people joining. And the only way you can actually grow a community around anything is to actually repeat yourself in order to welcome people back. I always tell, you know, when I go and talk at broadcast colleges, you sort of go and you loop back and you go forward a little more and you loop back and you go forward and you loop back and you go forward and you loop back.

That's the way you do it. Also, you can't arrogantly assume, well it's different for a podcast and it's different for this show on YouTube where you are going to be starting from the beginning. But as part of my, and I was never really classically trained to do radio, but as various programmers have reminded me, don't assume that the people that end with you at a show started with you. Because people are dropping in at all different times. Maybe they're with you at the beginning,

maybe they drop out for a bit and then they've come back. Or maybe like on a podcast you're like, okay yeah, 15 seconds, 15 seconds, 15 seconds, this topic is boring, move it on, America, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I've always been reminded, like, don't be shy about going back as far as your content goes and then stretch it out even more and then try to make different points. That's a really good point too, that I shouldn't be so arrogant to think that everybody follows hockey as closely as you and I do or a lot

of people that listen or watch or in the chat. And I really hate that sort of gatekeeping element that smug sort of like, oh, you don't remember the 1975 Memorial Cup with the new Westminster Bruins and the Sherbrooke Castores and Bruce Boudreaux's Toronto Marlboro. There's no room for you here then. No. Like I don't ever want to be that guy when it comes to broadcasting. So that is a very good reminder that I will stick in my hip pocket. I think that's a really good point too.

I think it's a good point for everybody. Don't assume that everybody has had the exact same experiences that you've had or has read the same amount of books or watched as many dumb hockey games or wandered through the Hockey Hall of Fame writing notes like some other I have Toronto on the West End did when he was seven or eight years old. What I have something I was given and I needed to show you but I forgot I don't have it right here in my hand right now. So I was given by my parents.

I can tap dance. What were you given by your parents? These books that I was, and I don't know why, that just clued into it. Because you're talking about these random things that you like hold hockey facts and stuff. They gave it to me yesterday to bring back here. And I figured if you would like them,

I was flipping through them. Here, hold on. Go grab them. I really want to see, okay, so he's put me to full screens. He's going to go and find these great hockey books. Like the pressure's on here for Zach to come up with something really big here. Great hockey books is a stretch.

Well, what is it? Okay, so I have- Is this from your parents? Yeah, they were in my house and they gave them to me to bring back and read through I don't know where they were but so I have this one. It's called. What's the score? Oh, that's Liam McGuire That's a great. I have that what's a great trivia book anything Liam McGuire That is like the Cadillac of trivia books Liam McGuire's so I had of Ottawa great guy. I haven't read

expert Liam's awesome awesome This one is just, this one's gonna make you laugh because I have it. And it says for kids, but it could say something else. Hockey trivia for kids by Eric's week. Eric's way great hockey historian, part of the Society for National Hockey Research. He wrote, I started flipping through and I'm like, I'm gonna hit you with stuff over the next couple of weeks.

And you're like, whoa. Hockey trivia for kids? The California Golden Blanks. Okay. Yeah. So those are the books that they gave me. Actually, hang on a second. I have one of Eric's other books because he's like, Eric's a noted hockey historian. And for me, this is Eric's other books, because he's a noted hockey historian.

And for me, this is Eric's best book. I highly recommend this one about Art Ross. This is one of the best and most interesting hockey books you will ever read. That's funny you pull out one of Eric's. I'm a huge fan of Eric Swig. He's a noted hockey historian and like a real, honestly when it comes to hockey history, this guy's a real treasure. But his book, Art Ross, The Hockey Legend Who Built the Bruins, really helped build the NHL and the Nets and the Pucks.

And actually, here you go, here you go, pretentious guy. In the 1920s, when scoring was way, way down in the NHL, he hosted what we later came to know as the Shanahan Summit coming out of the lockout 20405. Art Ross was the first one to do that because a lot of games were ending in scoreless ties and they needed to find a way to sort of juice the scoring by changing up the rules. He hosted the whole thing, Art Ross.

And his name is still on a trophy. Oh yeah, Art Ross, a fascinating, fascinating figure in the history of hockey. So that's cool that you have one of Eric's books. Yeah, I went home to see my parents this weekend and they had stuff for me to bring back here, including coffee pots and you know, stuff, taking care of me.

And then there was these books, and I was like, oh cool. I'm gonna start reading through everything and I'm gonna start hitting Jeff with stuff. Yeah, yeah. Oh wow, look at that. The first page I flip open to. Oh yeah. Look who that is.

What year is that? We don't have to worry about that. We'll close that book back up. That's awesome. John Bankard just mentioned books and get Jeffy stories. Yeah, I'm a sucker for it. I've grown up. There's been a lot of important stuff that got kicked out of my brain to make room for all this hockey nonsense. Yeah, same.

It's really embarrassing. How do you get through a day, Merrick? No, no. No clue. No clue. Really, really dumb. Okay, one more thing we gotta get to here. And that is, I don't know how I'm gonna freestyle this one, but work with me, Zach. The sheet is powered by FanDuel. This is normally when we talk about games. Home of the same game, Parlay.

Make every moment more on FanDuel. FanDuel is proud to connect fans to the major sports moments that matter to them. In days like this where there's not an NHL game to watch, Stanley Cup doesn't start till Wednesday, Memorial Cup finished up yesterday, congratulations London Knights, tough break medicine at Tigers, but what a season where if you are going to pick a hockey game to watch Like of all the games you've ever seen

Or games you want to go back and watch what would it be? They a couple of South take every summer I go back and I watch old games. Just like, just as, it's always like a good refresher. A couple years ago I went back and I watched, actually, you know what it was? It was more than a couple years ago. Ready for this one? I watched, I watched the entire 1976 Canada Cup after having a vasectomy. After kid number two we turned the tap off, watched Canada Cup 76. And it was really good because I learned that Scotty Bowman used Larry Robinson as a winger for a few shifts. Tip to you guys out there don't look down when they cauterize or you'll

see smoke. Hot tip to your boy Jeffy. Oh my god that's also so funny because I'm pretty sure that that I would can fact check it but the most common weekend or week to get vasectomies is Masters week that doesn't apply to you oh man that does not apply to you it's summer NHL reruns well that's Canada Cup wasn't even a show. Yeah, I know I know You know, I actually I have a really I have a really good vasectomy story. You want to hear it? Oh God sure I'm sure this wasn't what FanDuel had in mind for this segment FanDuel listen these are great people like we love like they're so surprised the FanDuel people are awesome

We just have no games to talk about. So I'm gonna tell. The email I'm getting is like, that was great, maybe not again. I'm gonna tell a vasectomy story. So when I started at Hockey Night in 2007, PJ Stock was just starting at Hockey Night on TV now. Doing Hockey Night in Canada Radio

and doing some ringside. And so one of my first weeks doing Hockey Night in Canada Radio on Sirius, had PJ on, and so I'm talking to PJ, and he's in Montreal. Montreal factors into this big, if you know anything about Montreal. So I'm doing the interview with PJ,

and we're talking about the Habs, and every couple of moments PJ's like, ugh, ugh, and he's like grunting. Like, oh, he's like, ugh, as he's talking about the Habs. Oh, Stefan can tell, ugh, Andre Markov, he's grunting, right? So we get through the interview, and I finish off, and I hop on my phone

as I'm going home, and like, PJ, like, what the hell was that? He goes, oh, dude, I'm so sorry. I totally forgot, I didn't wanna like, I'm just new here, so I didn want to cancel on you but I forgot like that today was the day I was getting a vasectomy and I just finished and I was and I was being driven home and I had like an ice pack on and the Montreal if you don't think about Montreal streets like Montreal streets are the worst like

it's just non-stop construction pothole after pothole after pothole. He said every time we went over a pothole it just killed. So as he was talking to me on Hockey Day radio doing this interview he'd be going over these pothills. He's oh oh oh oh as we're talking about I don't know decarbono coaching the Habs or something I don't know. He goes yeah sorry sorry if it sounded really bad so that is my PJ stock talks on hockey date in Canada radio after having a vasectomy story all part of it presented by fan tool and do we love you fandel you're awesome people and a tremendous service we really do love you we have no hockey games to talk about so we're just gonna tell vasectomy stories for this one I'll come up with something

fun tomorrow. I was looking through some Fandual stuff. I'll come up with something fun. We'll take a look and we'll see if we can get creative here and think about some... Well vasectomy stories wasn't creative? That on the spot? I'm talking about Fandual specific. Oh yeah yeah. Gotcha. specific. Oh yeah yeah gotcha. Yeah. I hadn't considered that. Anywho, well that was fun today. I had no idea what was gonna happen today. Thanks so much for being part of it and everyone who stuck around here in the chat. Bree Hound, let's calculate how much Jeff got paid to tell that story. So bad I know. Like my whole career, my whole career has been like every two weeks a paycheck shows up and someone yells stop thief. Like Bree's right. General Soreness, Dave Paniota, Gabby and Vasectomy Central all on today's episode of the sheet. vasectomy central.

It's like, just thinking of like, explaining to people what I do. Yeah, not much. What we're doing right now. It's just, I watch that you know, that thing I like to watch and play? Yeah, just talk about that. Go ahead. Okay. Talk about it, you don't actually do anything. That's a job.

You just talk about things that other people did. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it. That's what I do. And then I say thank you to everybody in the chat. Thank you to everybody watching on YouTube and thank you to everybody who downloaded this one Thank you to everybody watching on YouTube. And thank you to everybody who downloaded this one and listened on your favorite podcast platform.

Thanks to Bruce Boudreaux for stopping by. Again, thanks to our friends at FanDuel. Thanks to our friends at Ninja Christie. You can win yourself one now, folks. Thanks to Bruce Boudreaux for stopping by. Thanks to Dave Banyota for talking to us about Mitch Marner and various landing destinations. And never forget, there's always one location that you're not thinking of that sort of

appears to the last minute and of course that all makes sense. In the meantime we'll have a good time speculating. The show returns tomorrow. Greg Wyshinski is on Wednesday so no Greg Wyshinski tomorrow so we'll come up with something for you. Maybe I'll call PJ and we'll tell that story again. I don't know. Maybe I should call PJ. It's been a long time. In the meantime, enjoy whatever you're going to do tonight, and we'll talk to you tomorrow at 3 o'clock Eastern. Don't forget Morning Cup of Hockey at 9 a.m. Eastern. Johnny Lazarus and Colby Cohen, DFO Live at Noon, and our little act here, me, Zach and the gym behind me. 3 o'clock Eastern right here on YouTube, our daily face-off

channel. Please subscribe, please hit like, all of those important things for us here. Got it? Thank you. We'll talk tomorrow at 3 p.m. I slept 16 hours last night, every day this week, every day this month I can't get out my head, lost all ambitions day to day, guess I can call it a ride I went to the dark man, he tried to give me a little medicine, I'm like, nah man that's fine I'm not against those methods but it's me myself and how this gonna be fixing my mind I do wanna break it I turned on the music I do wanna break it I turned on the music Thanks for watching!