The Sheet with Jeff Marek - Young Guns Taking Over ft. Pierre McGuire

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Jeff Marek welcomes Pierre McGuire back to The Sheet for a wide-ranging, story-packed episode diving deep into every corner of the hockey world. The two break down how Matthew Schaefer’s breakout season with the Islanders has him in rare rookie company — drawing comparisons to legends like Brian Leetch and Scott Niedermayer — and how Macklin Celebrini’s mature two-way game is reminding scouts of a young Jonathan Toews. They debate whether Canada could bring Schaefer or Celebrini to Italy for the 2026 Olympics, discuss John Tavares’s understated 500th-goal milestone and Hall of Fame case, and react to Evgeni Malkin’s fine, Matvei Michkov’s collision with Chris Tanev, and the NHL’s inconsistent discipline standards. From Anaheim’s surprising rise under Joel Quenneville to Kiefer Sherwood’s breakout year in Vancouver and classic hockey history tales about Bernie Parent, Rogie Vachon, and Joe Sakic, it’s a masterclass in storytelling and analysis from two of the sport’s most insightful voices.#TheSheet #NHL #JeffMarek #PierreMcGuire #ConnorBedard #MacklinCelebrini #MatthewSchaefer #BarryTrotz #EvgeniMalkin #MatveiMichkov #ChrisTanev #AlexanderNikishin #BostonBruins #NashvillePredators #HockeyHistory #DailyFaceoffSHOUTOUT TO OUR SPONSORS!!👍🏼 Fan Duel: https://www.fanduel.com/👍🏼Bauer: https://www.bauer.com/👍🏼Shark Ninja: https://www.sharkninja.ca/ninja-crispi-4-in-1-portable-glass-air-fryer-cooking-system/FN101CGY.html?utm_source=Better+Collective&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=H2+Air+Fryer&utm_content=EN👍🏼Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/ca👍🏼Prime Video: https://primevideo-row.pxf.io/c/5560083/3303015/20020Reach out to [e-mail] to connect with our Sales Team and discuss opportunities to partner with us!If you liked this, check out:🚨 OTT - Coming in Hot Sens | https://www.youtube.com/c/thewallyandmethotshow🚨 TOR - LeafsNation | https://www.youtube.com/@theleafsnation401🚨 EDM - OilersNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Oilersnationdotcom🚨 VAN - CanucksArmy | https://www.youtube.com/@Canucks_Army🚨 CGY - FlamesNation | https://www.youtube.com/@Flames_Nation🚨 Daily Faceoff Fantasy & Betting | www.youtube.com/@DFOFantasyandBetting____________________________________________________________________________________________Connect with us on ⬇️Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/daily_faceoff💻 Website: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com🐦 Follow on twitter: https://x.com/DailyFaceoff💻 Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailyfaceoffDaily Faceoff Merch:https://nationgear.ca/collections/daily-faceoff Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Monday, November the 3rd, welcome to the sheet once again, kicking off another week and kicking off another month here in the NHL season, where we find the Eastern Conference more similar than different. Two-game win streak and you're at the top, two-game losing streak and you're on the bottom. That's kind of where we're at in the Eastern Conference. Western Conference meanwhile, it is the haves and the have-nots. Just look at the

winning percentages and I know that that's very much influenced obviously by shootout and overtime. The three-on-three, but nonetheless, six teams underwater there. We're in the Eastern Conference zero. Western Conference, it is the halves and the have-nots. Eastern Conference,

everybody is the same team. We're going to get into this here in a couple of moments. It's one of those shows where you want to get right to our first guest who's going to be with us for pretty much the entire program today. So let's get to the blueprint. Here's what's coming up on the program today. Glad to have you aboard. The blueprint is powered by Fandual.

Download the app today and play your game. Coming up in moments, you know, there are some shows when Pierre is on that you say to yourself, I'm only make, like the rundown is just going to be a plan B. Plan A is go wherever the conversation goes and that's what we're going to do. We're going to try as best we can, I swear, to stick to this script. We will talk about Matthew Schaefer and why not. We will talk about Tanevin Michkoff from Saturday. We will talk about the Anaheim Ducks.

We do have a hockey history segment coming up on today's program and we'll go over the four games on the go around the NHL this evening. Got it? Got it good. Let's bring Pierre on and we'll try Pierre as much as we can to stick to that script knowing that's going to be like a casual maybe 45 seconds, perhaps a moment. Pierre, thanks so much for stopping by as always. glad to kick out the week off with you.

I know you got some really strong points about 500 goals and John Tavares, but before we get there, the kids are taken over in the NHL once again. It seems as if every five years the NHL refreshes itself and the youth movement is on. I do want to talk about Celebrini and what we saw over the weekend, Celebrini Insider. But when you look at what Matthew Schaefer is doing right now A pair of goals yesterday for the New York Islander's rookie defenseman. So he's nothing short of spectacular here. So he breaks Bob Yor's record as a youngest defenseman to have a multi-goal game.

Right now, he is trending towards, he's trending towards a 34-goal season for a rookie defender. In the history of the NHL, only three rookie defensemen have scored 20 goals. Brian Leach with 23 Bubba Barry Beck with 22 and Dion Funuff with 20 Again, Schaefer on Pace for 34 From what you've seen in the history of you

being involved in the game covering the game involved in so many different capacities I know we're only a month into this kid's career but what are you seeing what do your eyeballs see with the number one defenseman for the Islanders? Great to visit Jeff with you and your listeners

number one. And number two, what I see from Matthew Schaefer, composure with the puck. Great identification of when to jump into the rush, when to back off. When to jump into the cycle, when to back off. The ability to get into dead spots and coverage and shoot the puck is phenomenal. As a kid that just turned 18 to watch him shoot the puck is phenomenal. You know, Connor Bedard's one of those smaller players that's got this lethal shot that everybody raves about. Don't sleep on Matthew Schaefer's shot.

You know, this guy can actually shoot the puck. His release point is phenomenal. But I think I talked about him the other day. There's a Jake Sanderson component to his game of the modern era defenseman. There's a Lane Hudson component to his game because of the offensive ability and the playmaking ability. But to me, I see a little bit of Scotty Niedermeyer. I see a little bit of Brian Leach. Because of the way they accelerate the pace of the game through the neutral zone and jumping into the rush,

Leach did that so well, Scottie Niedermeyer did that so well, Jake Sanderson's doing that well, now lane hudson is all over it and i had the privilege of working with a player that was pretty good at it too paul coffee so i'm not trying to say he's as good as any of those guys but right now he's trending the right way jeff you know here here's the while if we want to really get ahead of ourselves here because again he's the nchl's rookie of the month in october and again he's only you know one month into his nchl career but you can very recall you can very well recall a 20 year old drew dowdy at the olympics in 2010 comes on as the extra next thing you know all of a sudden he's valuable member of Team Canada, and it's off to the races for Drew Doughty in the career.

Pierre, is there any chance that we see Matthew Schaefer in Italy later this season? I think Canada's got a reference point for building their roster that they have to go back to and look at 2010 is a good example because you look at all the young guys, Jonathan Taves and Drew that were younger players that were put on that roster and I think the reason why they were put on that roster number one was because of what happened in 06. I was at the training camp in 06 in Kelowna and what happened was Crosby didn't make the roster. They wanted to go with an older roster. It was an unmitigated disaster in Torino, an unmitigated disaster for both the United States and Canada because they both went with older rosters. Sweden and Finland, they weren't

afraid they just threw their best guys out there didn't matter what their birth certificate said and they played in the gold medal game and eventually you know obviously sweden beats finland because of a broken stick off a neutral zone face off in the third period to start the third period which is an amazing thing i got to think that schaefer's going to be in consideration macklin celebrini's going to be in consideration but i don't want to put a little kibosh on this if i were an older player that played in the four nations event last year for canada I'd be looking in the rearview mirror because there's a guy leading the league in scoring right now

named Mark Sheifley we should be on that roster. There's another guy that's playing phenomenally well in the National Hockey League named Nick Suzuki that's ripping it up. And you've got to think that they're going to think about him. And there's another guy who's leading the Toronto Maple Leafs in scoring who just scored his 500th goal,

John Taviris. And I've got to think he's in consideration. So as much as I want to put all these, young guys on the roster. Okay, so you brought up his name. So let's have this conversation. Let's bracket the conversation about the kids, because I do want to get to Celebrity here

and a little bit more on Matthew Schaefer. But you brought up something really interesting before we got on the air, and you said something along the lines of, and you can sharpen the pencil on this better when I flip it over to you, that you don't know if you've ever seen a more muted,

goals, both from John Tavaris himself, who's the king of the understatement, oh, 500 goals like breaking sticks, no problem back to the bench. But 500 goals, you know, specifically for, you know, places like the Hall of Fame, that number of 500 and before it, 400 in the quote-unquote dead puck era. These are like the barrier to entry points to the Hockey Hall of Fame. Does it feel that way for John Tavares? I felt so bad watching that, and it's not because I'm biased towards John, even though I have unbelievable respect for him and watched him when he was an underage before he went to the Oswald generals, watched them play internationally for Canada and world juniors and obviously the Super Series in 2007, where Canada played eight games against the best players from Russia and eventually won seven of the eight. John was a huge part of that. But I got to tell you, Jeff, like I've been around for 71 when John Belleville got his 500th goal against Minnesota North Stars. I was around when Frank Mahavut

scored his 500 goal against Dunkin and the Vancouver Canucks in Montreal. I'll never forget that. I wasn't around for the first time a man ever scored a 500th goal and that was Rocket Richard in 1957, but I had a chance to talk to him. You know, and I wasn't around. I was one year old when Gordy Howe scored his 500th goal in 1962. I had a chance to talk to him as well many times about his career. But 500 goals was in a massive celebration. And I didn't sense that from the media with John, and I didn't sense it from John.

And I don't even know if I sense it from his teammates. And as somebody that really respects the game and the history of the game, I was like, you know what? I think that's understated. It's definitely been muted. And I don't know if I agree with it. And I just want to give you the names. Sure.

There are eight players. There are eight players that have scored. 500 more goals that aren't in the Hockey Hall of Fame yet. Peter Bondra, Evgeny Malkin, who's still playing, Pat for beak, Heath Cichuk, Patrick Marlowe, Stephen Stamco's, Sidney Crosby,

and a guy that will definitely get in, Yarmir Yager. So those are the guys, besides John Tavares, that aren't in the Hall of Fame that have 500 and more goals. How could that's not a celebration? I know the Blue Jays were playing. I get it. Look it. I understand.

The World Series is a big deal. And I think it muted some of the hockey coverage. But this was one of the most underappreciated hockey stories that we've had in a long time. Again, there's no way to prove this. I'm going basically on vibes here. But just to be blunt, did Ovechkin ruin it for everybody else? Like we just follow, like, game in, game out. We just followed, you know, Alexander Ovechkin, you know, breaking what we all thought,

certainly I did, was a record that was never going to be broken. And we watched that. And now that we've seen the number, and Ovechkin is still not done. Now that we've seen the number that Ovechkin has hit, do we now look at 500 and go like, you know what? It's nice, but it was five minutes ago. We're trying to see how high Ovechkin get. But you're right.

Like, 500 is an incredible number. Like, that used to be like right this way to Young and Front Street in downtown Toronto. I don't know. Did Ovechkin wreck it for everybody else? I hope, you know, it's a great point. and it's very salient. I hope that's not true, though. Like, maybe Gretz did.

Maybe it was Gretz. Maybe 99 ruined it for everybody. I don't know. And I say that out of respect and that. No, I know to mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had amazing careers. I just, again, I know they lost, and I know they weren't happy with their game in Columbus.

I get that. Part of that was Columbus played really well, too, by the way. But I just, I was really surprised. I was really surprised by the, the reaction to his 500 goals. Oh, he got 500. Okay, it's John. Let's go move along.

You don't probably, you don't probably likes it that way, John Tavares. When have you seen him chase a spotlight ever? Never, never. You know, one of the most amazing things I've ever seen about him, how selflessly was at the 07 Super Series, how selfless he was at the 08 World Junior in part of Beats in the Czech Republic on a great Canadian team. and how if it weren't for him in 2009 in Ottawa, there's no way Canada wins a gold medal.

They don't even beat the Americans. So, like, no, I'm with you. I totally get it. I get it. But I just have a lot of admiration and respect for John. And one of the things I think is really cool is how he handled giving up the captain seat to Austin Matthews. That should be a formula for every young player to have to watch and see how special

a guy he is for hockey. He's a special, special guy. You know how cynical I am. when I saw that you know what my first thought was this is this is so bad by me this is so cynical my first thought was

he's doing that because there's a massive extension in a drawer somewhere and that's going to be the trade John we need you to do this but here's the cookie you get not only did he concede

the captaincy but then his second contract with the Maple Leafs was a bargain of a deal so boy was I ever wrong but maybe that's just from being around and just being, being, you know, sort of hardened and cynical over the years.

But, again, like, not chasing the spotlights. No, the hometown discount really overwhelmed me. I think probably that part of that was family reasons. Part of that was unfinished business in Toronto, unfinished business. So I didn't want to take us away from where Matthew Schaefer is because I get a, I get the sense of Matthew Schaefer, too, by the way. And it's not any part of irony here, even though he's an islander. there's a lot of John DeVarets and him too.

Yeah, and they're loving. You know what's funny? I was mentioning this to someone last week. We're having a conversation about Matthew Schaefer. And he said, well, you know what the Islanders think the sliding door moment was? Did you and I have this conversation about the sliding door moment? The sliding door moment. So the concept of the sliding door moment is it's a moment in time where an event happens

that at the time you don't realize it but it leads to something massive somewhere down the road kind of similarly on butterfly theory butterfly flaps its wings and Islanders fans there's a large part of Islanders fans that goes back to

I want to say it's the 26th of March maybe 23rd of March I can't recall it's a game against the Columbus Blue Jackets and it's Kyle Paul Mary who gets a goal taken away because of goal-tender interference, he bumps Elvis Mers-Lakins. And it's like one of those, like, razor-blade calls.

Like, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Islanders fans were certainly hot about it. But what that did is it turned an Islander's win into just one point because it got to either overtime or a shoot-out, I can't recall. And because of that, they got one point. And here it is. So here's Paul Marion Mers-Lakins.

This moment here is why the New York Islanders have Matthew Schaefer. So this comes back because this is ruled as gold tender interference. It turns two points into one for the New York Islanders

and because of that they are one spot higher for the lottery than the New York Rangers and after this they go into a losing skid but that was the moment that a lot of Islanders fans

circle and say if we had two points it would have screwed it up but we only got one out of that one then we lost a bunch of games that's why the Islanders have Matthew Schaefer.

Otherwise, they flip spots with the New York Rangers. So answer me this, Batman. Okay. How come you, you and Zach, who does such an amazing job on this show, would be able to present that so quickly without rehearsing it with me? But we can't do that on national TV with all the resources that they have? So Zach and I talked to, but we wanted to do this last week. And we didn't get to it.

It's like, oh, man, Pierre's on. Like, we've got to do this. like this is this is like the sweet spot of the bat for pierre like you live for stuff like this this is great and the other great the other great point about it is um you can make the argument and rightfully so that the islanders have this gift called matthew shafer and it's karma for not tanking they never said throwing in the towel no Lou Lamarillo never did no that he would never do that he would never do that I'm telling you. I've known Lou Lamarillo since the 1980s and I would

no chance would he ever tank. No. Not a chance. And that is the rare moment where hockey karma smiles on you and says here's your reward. Here's Matthew Schaefer. That's so good. It's interesting. So Macklin-Colabini you mentioned a couple of moments ago. What did you think seeing him go nose to nose head to head around the net in the corner in front of the net with more at cider uh phenomenal but it's not the first time he's done all that stuff watching with j t miller earlier in the season

against the new york rangers i mean this is a thing in beauty never quit battle fight for your ice be strong with board play show skill and peripheral vision playing a confined area jouse till your heart gives out but it never does and then just sort of try to overwhelm the bigger men and you kind of do. This is a mature player. This is a smart player. This is a guy that wants to lead by example. He wants to show everybody in San Jose

that they're for real and they're coming back and this rebirth of their team is for real. I was watching that game last night. You know, there was a lot of good from Dylan Lark and there was a lot of greatness from Macklin Celebrini. Celebrini never got on the board last night. But man, oh man, that's what hockey's all about if you're going to be a leader.

It takes me back to, and I can say this to you, Jeff, because you would appreciate it. When Jonathan Taves played in his first World Junior, 2006 in Vancouver, he just played and played and played, and that was a Canadian team that never should have won. They won because of Brent Sutter, and they won because of Jonathan Taves, and they won because of Justin Pogie.

The team played well, but those were the made reasons why. I've watched celebrating practice and play, whether it's at BU or San Jose, it doesn't matter. World Junior for Canada. he's Jonathan Taves the 200 foot jousting that you saw right there's Jonathan Thaves with way more offense and that I'm not trying to be rude to Jonathan Jonathan knows how much I respect this game I agree that's an unbelievable player man yeah like that's an unbelievable player this guy's only going to continue to get better that's one of those guys and you know this from from coaching

when your best offensive player is also your best defensive player How do you lose a line matchup? You don't. You never do. These guys are gifts, right? Like, listen, rightly or wrongly, he'll be compared to Connor Bedard. And they are so profoundly different hockey players. Badard is just a master with the puck on his stick in the offensive zone.

Fantastic. Unbelievable. In his own zone, he's still very much a work of progress. Macklin-Cellibrin is not. He just needs to get more reps and get stronger and bigger. and all of that, but all the building blocks for all of it are right there. And we're just watching this kid blossom. And that's why I use Jonathan Taves as an example.

Three Stanley Cups, MVP, the 2010 Winter Olympics, you know, phenomenal two-time gold medals for Team Canada, the World Junior, in Lexan, Sweden, and Vancouver. But there's one more player I want to touch on when it comes to Macklin. Okay. It was an amazing privilege to work with this player back at the end of his career was Brian Trotche and there's a reason why it's to your point that you made brought up and that's why I really respect what's coming on your show because you get all these reference points Brian Trotche played all three zones Brian Trotche could play against any player in the league

and Brian Trotche was never a mismatch problem for Al Arbor and so when you look at Gilles and bossy and Trachi is a line yeah that one guy was a hammer and the other guy could score like a machine in the late Mike Bossy, and Clark was amazingly feared. But Trotche was the consistent guy. Oh, yeah. He was a guy that drove the line because he could do what Celebrini does. He wins those one-on-one battles. He gets back on defense.

He wins face-offs. He competes for loose pucks. He can fight through adversity. And if Brian's watching this or he has friends, don't miss what I'm about to say. Brian was me. Brian was me. And I saw that sequence last night and going,

Maclin-Colabrini's got a mean component to him, which is good. Yeah. It's not bad. The one thing, just as I go down a different road here, the one thing that always impressed me about Bossie and Trache, and listen, like Bossie, I mean, you pile up the goals and you just say, man, if he didn't have a bad back, he'd go down as a greatest goal score of all time. That is without a doubt.

bossy always scored five hole and trotche i believe they even called it the trotche hole between the goaltender's arm and his body he called it the six hole right right like nobody pier did you see anyone score more a goal like that's the thing i loved about that islanders

like they didn't shoot i remember rudely ruddy told me the story about watching bossy in in practice and he would just shoot like in the middle of the neck because you want a five hole five hole five if you're a goaltender and a shot goes over your shoulder bar down, ping, it's like, what's a great shot?

You know? If a bar hugs the posting, it's a great shot. You know, tip your cap. And Bossie would tell Kelly, like, look, I wanted my pucks to go through the goalie because it psychologically messed with them. This guy just put a puck through me. Trache was the same way. Like, Bossie and Trotchy were killers mentally because the puck went, as a goaltender,

something different happens when the puck goes through you as opposed to around you. You beat them psychologically. I don't know if I'm building this up to be something it's not, but like they were playing like the I'm going to break this goaltender mentally. We've seen plenty of goal scores. Vetchkin will blow Pucks past goaltenders. But mentally

Trotche and Bossie destroyed goalies mentally by putting pucks through them consistently. Is there something there? Yes, there's a lot there. There's a lot there. Ovechkin too, you know, he would drive goalies nuts because he would just get high and let a fly. Al McKinnis.

I'll make tennis with goalies nuts too because he could blow it right through them but the thing about Brian Brian was a hockey addict you know his first year in Pittsburgh his family didn't move they stayed on Long Island I was in the rink with him all the time

he would stay late late in the day all the guys were gone he was there wanting to watch tape or talk about different scenarios that's just how he was you know and I would stay late and one of his pet projects and we talked about him being one of

eight guys that had not or it's not in the Hall of Fame yet but scored over 500 goals Yarmour Yager Brian took so much pride in working with Yarmour Yager to make him in a consistent NHL player day in and day out and Yarmour was a lot like Brian he was addicted

to wanting to be really good he was such a special player I just I love that comparison with McLean Celebrini okay I'll straight around the NHL you mentioned the Pittsburgh Penguins And I'm going to see them tonight facing off against the Toronto Maple Leaf.

So I have a question for you. And it's something that can't get solved right now. It can only be collectively bargained. And I don't know that the players will have an appetite for it at all, although I think somehow it might actually benefit them. So here it is. So you saw the Malkin slash on Logan Stanley. Chop in the hands, Malkins did his best when he's bluntly, 30.

and he can be nasty. I love that when he chops Logan Stanley and the referee's arm goes up, he gives like, what, what? Like that's, I can't do that now. Like, anyway, it's a $5,000 fine. Okay, so the fine is $5,000. And yes, I worked out what that means for Evgeny Mollocken.

So, if Genni Mollocken has made $142 million in his career, a $5,000 fine represents, based on his career earnings of $142 million, point zero zero three five percent of what it is it is the equivalent of someone who earns a hundred thousand dollars a year getting fined three dollars and fifty cents that's what the equivalent is for for mulligan and this five thousand dollar fine now the deal is as you all know the max that the department of player safety can levy here without a hearing is five thousand with a hearing is 10,000.

And the penalties from there jump to a game suspension, a one game suspension, which is forfeiture of pay, obviously, and you can't play for a game. To me, that is too massive of a jump. That when your decision is either the player sits for a game or he gets fined $10,000, that gap is massive. like I look at the Druand like the last one game suspension

that you saw was Drewan on Dewar so one game suspension the cross check to the head I can look at that and go yeah I can look at that and go I don't know if there is something in between a $10,000 fine

and a one game suspension maybe that's where it falls with the Dran call but if you're choosing between a $10,000 fine that would have to take a hearing and a one game suspension based on what you just saw

with Malkin and Stanley to me it's neither. It's more than a $10,000 fine, but it certainly isn't missing a game. Is that too big a gap? And again, this needs to be CBA'd. And if you go to the players, all they're going to hear is, oh, they're trying to levy more fines when really what they're trying to do is reduce the number of one game suspensions and keep more money in players' jeans. You ever thought on that gap between 10,000 and a game? But no, we're on the same page. So I just want to throw this at you too. So that game happened on a Saturday afternoon in Winnipeg. And then after the

game, Pittsburgh's traveling to Toronto. On Monday night, they're playing in a nationally televised game in Canada. And that's the only Canadian team that it's obviously a huge early game. Toronto marketing, obviously huge with no baseball. They don't want Gino Malcolm missing that game, Jeff. They want him in the game. And this happens a lot. lot. So I think it's something where I agree with your point wholeheartedly. It's like Brad Marchand last week. They didn't want Brad Marchand missing a game in Boston after he did a little thing with the helmet in Philadelphia. They didn't want him missing games, if you remember, or Buffalo. That was in Buffalo. Razmus Dahlene. They don't, you know, you could have said,

hey, we're giving him a game for bad behavior. But they wanted to play on a nationally televised game in Boston, Florida versus Boston. So, yeah, I love your point. I love your point. So then, like, I get it. And you want to try to keep the stars in the game as much as you can. And I don't think, oh, man, do you remember, you'll remember this. Remember the Gilstein era of the NHL, that transition between Ziegler and Batman?

And Stein's idea, oh, Stein's plan was that suspensions were to be served on off days. So all the player, remember that? We all went, what? Until you mentioned, as I hadn't thought about that, a second in my life until I remember like these Gilstein suspensions. So like I get it, but there's no way around it. And I'm always reminding myself too that when people are teams, because it's always a problem when it's your bull that gets scored, not anybody else's. teams as much as they bark about they want suspensions levied harsher

and more fine like deeper deeper suspension that's got to be a 10 gamer that's got to be a 15 gamer I remember when Brendan Shanahan as you do as well when he first got the badge as a head of the Department of Player Safety and there was that preseason where it was like

I think Brendan Smith got like a 10 game suspension or something guys are getting eight games and all the NHL teams were like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Well, we said clean it up. We didn't mean it like that. And Shanahan's point was like, look, you can't have it both ways, right? And I think NHL teams will instruct the Department of Player Safety.

This is how we want it called. We have to have suspensions, obviously, but we don't want massive suspensions that's going to keep our stars out of the game because let's face it. If you're the Washington Capitals, there's a chance at Alexander Ovechkin, could take a major suspension or any player for that matter and as a league

do you want that player out and I still maintain that's why the NHL doesn't want massive suspensions unless obviously it's something completely egregious do you have a thought on sort of how the NHL gives the DOPS

their marching orders because I think a departmental player safety really feels the brunt of it when really they're just acting on instructions by the GMs. If DOPS turn around and say like hey how do you you want this called we can throw 10 games suspensions at everybody if you want but i really don't

think that you want that you have a thought on that period you got the competition committee in the board of governors they're pretty significant voices in terms of what happens with the department of player safety so the answer is you're spot on you're not wrong you're right on it and i also know that they don't want star players missing games and if you're a star player and you know that they're not going to penalize you're going to do some stuff that might be um ford just it's just the way it is um I think the game's a lot cleaner now, though. I want to say that in defense of the NHL and Commissioner Betman's vision. I think the game's a lot better than what it used to be in terms of cleanliness.

It just is. And players are smarter, too. They can have amazing careers now and really do generational wealth situations for all of them. You talked about Malcon's numbers. Where do you think Celebrini will be if he has a 20-year career like Crosby? Where do you think McDavid's going to be? Where do you think, you know, Nathan McKinnon's going to be? What do you think Matthew Schaefer is going to be?

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So we've talked about the Pittsburgh Penguins a little bit and they've been one of the better stories around the NHL in this opening of the season. The Toronto Maple Leafs and a flashpoint moment and scary because we see things like this happen all the time. It's just a neutral zone collision between two players. but it's never a good thing when you see a stretch around the ice, and that's what we saw with Chris Tandov and Matt Faye Michikov. How did you, like, I have to squint really, really hard to see anything deliberately malicious on that play. To me, that is a complete accident.

That is nothing on Michikov whatsoever. It just has an unfortunate ending attached to it. How did you see the Michikov-Tanav situation on Saturday? Tandov, of course, just coming off an injury. I felt bad. I felt really bad because you've got a history of concussion too, obviously. I don't know whether it was concussion related or not. I do know that he was kept overnight on Saturday night

and then flew back to Toronto Sunday. Feel really bad. Mishikov didn't try to do anything there. There's no way. You just watch him. He's trying to make a play in the puck. He's trying to make himself available for a pass in the neutral zone. And he's not trying to set a pick either.

He's not. He's focused on the puck. So I don't think he's culpable for anything. I felt terrible for Christopher Tanev. And what it does, Jeff, you've talked about it already. it's a precarious position for the Toronto Maple Leafs right now. It really is. You see Mishkov right there to the right of your screen. He's trying to gain inside position to make himself available. Watch, he's not even focusing in on TANF. He's looking to make himself available for a pass.

So you feel bad for TANF. It's a whiplash effect. Just watch the head as he comes in right there. You see the whiplash of the head, and that's probably where the injury happens. Feel terrible for Christopher. He's an important part of a team that's really in a precarious position right now. they really are and this is going to put a lot of pressure on philippe meyers it's going to put a lot of pressure on oliver ecman larsen and the guy that's really going to have a lot of pressure i think in this whole thing is morgan riley he's had a great start to the year but i know he had a little bit of a hiccup there he's going to have to elevate his game it's a lot like you know who it's a lot like it's a lot like timmy stutzel it's all like drakebackerson in ottawa when brady kachick went

down those guys had to elevate well right now and a really important part of uh toronto's far Toronto's team is hurt. Who's going to step up? And they need guys to step up. We wish them the best. Watching that whiplash is nothing short of terrifying. And again, like it's one of these occasional reminders

you get up just how potentially. This is like this is why one and one, it's a very, very dangerous game. This is why I don't begrudge any player in the NHL a single dime that they make. And I still maintain that. one of the best things that has happened in the NHL are guaranteed contracts. I know they're not 100% guaranteed buyouts are always an issue,

but guaranteed contracts are so important. You know, ask NFL players what that's like. The guaranteed contract in the NHL is one of the great things that this game has. It's so important. No, and I'm so glad you say that. You know, pro hockey, the players, it's a battle. to get to the NHH. Think about all the different steps

you have to take to get to the NHL, whether you're starting in the East Coast League, you're playing the American League, or you're playing over in Europe. There are a lot of steps that have to happen for you to get there. And these guys, they don't do it for free, and they shouldn't do it for free.

I just think that it's unfortunate for TANF, and I hope that Christopher can get better in a hurry because the Leafs need them back. 100% they need it back. Absolutely. Let me ask you a pivot there to the Western Conference and the top team in the Pacific,

seven, three, and one, the Anaheim Ducks. So before the season started, I think I talked to my friend Jeff Merrick, and I said, I think the Anaheim Ducks will be a very difficult team. The addition to Chris Kreider's been huge, signing Mason McTavis, been fantastic, the growth in Troy Terry's game.

But the number one MVP there, with all due respect to Joel Quenville, is Leo Carlson. and this guy's at another level, Jeff. He's at another level. Yeah, 16 points and 11 games for Leo Carlson. We're seeing the next burgeoning superstar coming out of the Anaheim Docs organization in the tradition of your Ryan Gets laughs, obviously.

16 points and 11 games for Leo Carlson, 12 points and 11 games for Cutter-Goce. I'm not sure if you saw what Beckett Seneca did to Luke Seneca did to Luke Hughes, to Luke Cues. Holy smokes. I know. It's pretty impressed. He's got four goals as a rookie, and Lucas Dostel is rocking a 916 save percentage. And the glue holding it all together, as you and I have discussed before, who's not just a great coach, but is also someone that can really help Pat Verbeak recruiting players, where some may be a little

bit shy about waving a no trade clause to go to Anaheim. you don't want to go play for Joel Quenville you really you really don't want to go play for Joel Quenville you sure about that do you ever thought on where Anaheim is at right now like there still work to be done there but there's a lot yeah but they look they played Ian Moore yesterday Ian Moore is a really good defenseman

second round pick back in 2020 by Anaheim defense did such a good job playing at Harvard University for Teddy Donato and he got a little sniff last year I think his first game was in Winnipeg if I remember correctly but there's just one example they're amalgamating these young players into their program more being one of them

the future for this organization is so bright and the guy Verbeek deserves a lot of credit because he's the one that went to ownership and said we got to get Bill Quindville so I respect what Patty did there and I've talked to Joel before and after he got the job and he was talking to a lot of people about the different players

that were available but Martin Madden Jr and their amateur scouting staff Jeff off the charts they should be complimented and saluted. They've done a magnificent job there. They really have. Yeah, they really have too.

And the timing for this is interesting too. Does it, and again, I'm doing this based on vibes and feeling, no inside knowledge about what's going on in the Samueli family's heads. But did it not feel like, okay, Pat Verbeek's been there for a few years, this is the year where you need to see results. That, as I like to say, you get out of the green banana business. and you need to have right bananas now and you need to see some results

whether it's getting into the playoffs or taking it right to game 82 like does it feel like this is the season where Patford Beak has to say and this is what this is leading to and they take a big step does it feel that way to you? Yes, yes

but that's why I was so confident going into the season. I had spoken with Joel last spring before he got the job, spoke to him right after he got the job and then spoke to him as the season was about to start and you could just tell he was really pumped up about this group and i asked him once i said you know jonathan tase and patrick kane and duncan keith and brent seabrook they were all important

parts of it how much have you seen leo carlson play how much have you seen mason play he's like oh those guys are good i said i'm not sure he even knew how good they really were jeff if that makes sense to it yeah because he just hadn't spent a lot of you know the last few years he's kind of been a man on an island. He really hadn't been around the national hockey. I'm sure he was watching games, but it wasn't like when he was working in the league. It's just, it's a different way to watch. And I think now he knows how good they are. The biggest thing to me is what you touched on with the San Wellies. They are really great stewards of that franchise. They care so much about hockey in Southern California, but in particular in Orange County. Jeff, I got to tell

this to you and your viewers and listeners. It was probably around, let's say, 2008, 2009. I got a call from Commissioner Bettman and the Sam Wellies were building a science of hockey museum in Orange County. I'm not kidding. And he said they would like for you to come and be part of the opening of the museum. I said, 100%. It would be my honor to go. And I went and I saw what they put into this science of hockey museum, and it was to educate young people in particular about the cool parts of hockey and the science that's attributed to it. And it was phenomenal. Right when I left that building, I said to myself, these guys are amazing stewards. They're not just fluff. They care. They really care about growing the sport. And it's still there. The museum's still there. It's

phenomenal. This is great youth hockey program there, as you know, as well, which is key for, key for a lot of markets. And let me sort of use that to dovetel to get your thoughts on someone else here. I mentioned, you know, the Anaheim youth hockey program. When the Columbus Blue Jacket started in 2000 in the NHL, one of the things the organization did right away was get about, you know, get working on getting a proper youth hockey program. program in Columbus. And I don't know if I think Sean Corrali may have been the first. Coralli's part of that because he went to Miami of Ohio.

Yeah, he'd be part of that group. So I think Corrali might have been the first to sort of graduate from that program to make it in the NHL. And Kiefer Shur was not far behind either. And now all of the sudden, we're looking at Kiefer Shurwood. And we just mentioned Anaheim, and do you think Anaheim wants Kiefer Shurwood back? I'm going to ask you about Nashville in a second. You think Nashville?

wants Kiefer Sherwood back. The Vancouver Canucks right now. Keeping in mind, the Kiefer Sherwood is 30 years old. And is he going to win the Rock of Richard? Nobody's making it interesting right now, and he's scoring. And we know that he's good for a number of hits every single game. He plays the game, the quote unquote, right way.

And he is poised now as a late bloomer for his first big payday. Like massive payday here, like major jump to like, I don't know, tell me where to stop four and a half five five five and a half five five and a half but like right around in there good for keifer sherwood do you have a thought on on this one i mean the way i look at keifer sherwood is i know you want to be loyal i understand that i understand i would understand the loyalty to vancouver this is also your life and this is your chance at 30 years old to finally ring the bell. Do you have a thought on Kiefer Sherwood?

Yeah, I love his energy. I love his passion. I love his intensity. I think he's obviously very coachable. He's played for some good coaches in the National Hockey League. I'm happy for players like that because they've paid the toll for a long time.

And now the tolls are going to actually come back towards him, which I think is really cool. It's a lot like Jared Spurgeon, by the way. I look at Jared's Virgin all the time. I'm like, he was drafted by the New York Islanders. They didn't even want to. You know, and you look at where he is right now. I think about Zach White Cloud.

I'm just going around of guys that are like Keith for sure with him. Zach White Cloud was a guy that the L.A. Kings had in rookie camp. They punted him. They said, no, you're not good enough. So he goes to Bemidji State. And then who remembers him from right around Brandon? And the reserve, it's Kelly McCrimmon. So they say, come on over to Vegas.

And he played right away in Vegas. You know, so I think about all these stories. and just one other player from the Columbus Blue Jacket situation. Gordon Murphy was actually playing there. His son Connor, who's now with the Blackcocks and has had a really good career, he was part of that group too. You know, now that I think about it, that you're bringing up kids that were part of that Blue Jackets thing in 2000.

So I just think those stories are phenomenal. Jeff, I just got back from Europe. I was over there for three days last week with George McPhee, presenting at an international ice hockey federation talk about how to team build and how important the growth of European pro hockey was to the sending of players to the national hockey because there will be expansion. George and I had so much fun and George was phenomenal in this meeting. And all I kept here from the general managers and the coaches of those European pro teams

that were there was the importance of the National Hockey League and older players that were getting opportunities to play. And I found that interesting because that used to be the vehicle that would drive their teams. Right. Those older players were the guys that were coming over and playing in Europe when they couldn't play in the NHL anymore. Well, that revenue stream for them is kind of dried up a little to your point about players like Kiefer Sherwood. You know, I like George a lot. I have a lot of time for George McPhee, professionally and personally.

I'm one of my favorite George McPhee stories. Bruce Boudreau told me this one. So Bruce, I love this story because it's so George McPhee. And it just speaks to like how he understands how to be a professional. Because here you're talking about, you're building teams. So Bruce told me he's driving, he thought he might be getting fired. And he's driving to the rank for practice. And he gets a call from George saying, I need to see it.

Can you come by my house? And Gabby says, like, I know. what this is about. I'm going to George's house on way of practice because I'm getting fired. So he gets to George's house and they open up the door and George says hey Gabby grab a cup of coffee I'll be with you in a second and he went and he

got changed. He put on his suit and then he came downstairs and said Gabby were making a change. But the fact that he went in his home to his bedroom to his closet changed into his suit, his business attire

came downstairs to give Boudreau the respect of this is business like reinforcing like we all have jobs to do I just thought that was such a professional touch by George McPhee others just would have been in their sweatpants and a hoodie perhaps George went and put a suit on in his own house to do that I think that's such a good story especially for the younger people watching this because it speaks to the importance of mentors so I just think about George McPhee when he was recruited by

Ron Mason at Bowling Green University. George played for him for two years. Then the guy that took over for Ron Mason when he went to Michigan State was Jerry York, who was the winningest coach in all time of college hockey. And then think about who George mentors were when he was a player with New York, Herb Brooks, and when he was a player in New Jersey,

guy named Lou Lamarillo. And when George's career is over as a player, he goes to law school at Rutgers Law School in Newark, New Jersey. He gets hired when Brian Burroughs. it goes to work in Hartford is a GM by Pat Quinn, the late Pat Quinn. Look at all the mentorship that's been around

George teaching about the business. Good point. And when George got fired by Washington, people forget this. George was hired by Lou Lamarillo with the New York Islanders on an eight or nine month contract to be evaluating pro players

before George got the job in Vegas. So you talk about mentorship and learning from people that matters and I think your point about George is so perfect but I think the mentorship part really mattered for him it's excellent um which is probably a good place to you can you're the master of transitions today making my job easy uh from there I want to get into a quick segment here there's always so much fun with you we had so much fun last time we're going to drag you into this one one more time before you wrap up here uh hungry for hockey history is a presentation of

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Terrible. November 3rd in history. 1965, Bernie Perron made his NHL debut for the Bruins and earned a tie in a 3-3 game against the Blackhawks. In 1982, Scottie Bowman became just the third coach in NHL history to reach 1,000 games coached. He did so in a 3-2 loss to the Sabres. And in 1993, Yarmere Yager scored two goals and added two assists to reach the

milestone of 100 career NHL goals in a 6-2 win for the Penguins. Pierre, would you like a whack at any of these pinnadas, Yager, Scotty Bowman, or Bernie for a nods? Yeah, the one question I have. about Scotty. I think Scottie was coaching in Buffalo that year in 1982. So I don't think he lost to the Sabres. I think the Sabers. Was it, if it was 82, then he was definitely with the sabers. Yeah, he was coaching. And so I just, I just wanted to make sure that people didn't think I was ignoring Zach's Reed because I was paying attention to Zach's Reed on that. That being

said, what I want to take a run at? Well, first of all, to Bernie Peron's family, the late great Bernie Perl was phenomenal. He was phenomenal. You know, Bernie just passed away. I had a chance to really spend time with Bernie because of his relationship with the Shiro family. You know, Fred Sherrill married a Francophone woman from Schoenigan, Quebec, Marriette. And so Ray and I were very good friends, and I used to spend a lot of time around their house in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. And when Fred passed away, there was a huge golf event down in Pennsylvania, down in Philadelphia, and spent a lot of time with Bernie. It was really cool.

It was really cool. Bernie was an amazing person to be around. He really was. That was when he was with the Bruins. And he was then, and I've always wondered about this. When he was with the Maple Leafs, the tandem was Bernie Perrant and Jacques Plont. And the deal that Jacques Plont had with the Toronto Maple Leafs was he got to pick his games.

Now, he ended up playing 40 the season that he set the record for best save percentage in the history of the NHL. Jacques Plont to me is still one of the great goaltenders that we don't

talk enough about but that's a conversation for another show. But I always looked at Bernie and said that's the best

angle goalie that I ever saw. No one played angles better than Bernie Peron and I can't help

and you would have a better frame of reference on this than me. I can't help but think that a lot of that was learning

you just talk about mentorship, learning at the feet of the great Jacques Plant. 100%. 100% you know charlie hodge the late charlie hodge when he's scouted for us in pittsburgh i used to

drive with him from vancouver through the cocahalla pass to go up to watch camlubes because they had sidora and needermeyer meyer who were really good back in those days and he used to talk about how great a technical goal he was he wasn't just a great athlete technically how great he was so that would speak to what you just raised about bernie perron and i would totally agree with that and he was like he was not a small man he was he was a thick, robust human, like he took up a net. So back in the day, most of those were, like, if you go look at Gumpurzer, you look at Rogi Vashon, you look at a lot of Charlie Hodge, they weren't big men.

Nope. They weren't big. They were just really athletic and they were fearless. And Bernie was one of those guys that did. He understood angles in the technical part of the game, 100%. My two favorite goalies from that, well, three, because I love Mike Palman's here. My other two favorite goaltenders in that era, there was Bernie Perron and you just mentioned the other one, Rogi Vashon.

And that performance, the 1976 Canada Cup, that goal-tending performance, I will put up against any goal-tending performance in any international tournament and the history of it. What Rogi Vashon did at 5-foot-nothing against everybody was nothing short of phenomenal. I was glad that he got to a lot too.

So I would cede you that 100%. I know they just had a reunion of that team. Serge Savard brought all those guys back this summer that wanted to come to Montreal. to play in a golf tournament. Scotty was there. Bob Yor was there. Surge was there. A lot of the guy, I think Rogi was there. There are a lot of guys there.

Robinson? I will give you one more. I'll give you one more on the goalie front, though. Because we forget about it. The 1998 Olympics, Dominic Hachick. Phenic Hachick. I would say that Vashon, 76, Dryden in 71 in game 6 and 8, and then Hachick in 98.

are some of the best international goal-tending I've ever had the chance. And then you could throw Jim Craig in there in 1980. 1880, yeah. The one thing about Hashik in 98, we were robbed of something, something significant because Joe Sackick was injured. I know Mark Crawford always hears about it. Oh, you didn't put in, you didn't put in, you didn't put in Wayne in the shootout, oh, what are you doing? What are you doing? And the bigger issue was that their

best shot, because Gretzky, as you know, it was never great on breakaways, was never great on penalty shots. Like, that wasn't, that wasn't Wayne's game. There's plenty of players that were like that. The big problem was that sack kick was hurt and their best shooter was in the stance. That's the one thing that I always look back at that shootout and go, like, I just would love to have seen sackick and hashick in that one. Because I don't know if it's a goal or if it's a save. I really don't. But that was the best shooter for Canada.

Best shooter for Canada. I got to touch this with you. So we've been touched about Bernie Perron in Philadelphia. Yeah. And we're talking about Joe Sackick. So in 1992, the All-Star game was in Philadelphia. And I'm one of the coaches for the Eastern team. And we're doing the skills competition.

And Joe was a very young player. And Joe Sackett comes out. to me on the ice and he says, Pierre, I'm not really comfortable doing the breakaway relay. I think Ray Ferrar should do it because he ripped up the Western Hockey League when he was in Brandon. I think Ray should do it. So I go to Scotty who's making these calls and we're skating. In those days, the coaches were actually on the ice skating with the players. So I'm skating around and I grabbed Sky. He said, hey, Joe's not comfortable taking the shootout. He thinks Ray Ferrar should take it. He goes, okay, just do it.

And we let Ray do it. Ray didn't score, but Ray could score, man. Could Ray ever score? But he didn't score. But Joel Sackick, it's to your point, he wasn't comfortable doing it in the All-Star game. So he came and he says, let Ray do it. I don't really want to do it.

That's stunning to me, just because of how good he was at it. He was just so respectful because he was still young compared to all those guys. In 92, you think about it. He was just starting to get his feet wet in the lead. and in 92 if you remember Quebec Quebec was struggling if you remember like they weren't oh yeah they had like till Forsberg and those guys got there and Mark Crawford got there that that was a tough situation in Quebec really tough that was um real quick last one um going back to last week give a thought on what happened with Matthew Barzell with the Islanders so he's he's he's he's

late for the bus um and it's a game against Carolina and california Ritchie's flight gets delayed or canceled and he can't make it. Would there have been, like, did it have to be a scratch for that game or could you have waited for the next game against Washington and then maybe scratched him then? Because Cal Ritchie can't make that first game against Carolina. You're really hurting the team because no Ritchie and no Barsall. Like, if you were a coach, how would you, would you have handled it this? same way that Pat Waugh handled it, which is like, this is the standard.

We scratched tonight. I'm not in control of air travel. I'm just trying to ice a team and establish a culture here. I kind of looked at that and went, you could have still done it, but at that point, are you really, are you really hurting the team? You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. I do know what you mean.

So I'm going to give you a quick answer. Matthew Darsh is trying to implement a new culture. It's not an identity. It's a culture. There's a difference. There's a massive difference. because your identity could change day to day in the league. It can because sometimes you might have five players that help you create this identity

and they're injured and they can't play. So the identity part kind of has to go away. The culture part never goes away because you've established standards. These are our standards. You don't miss a bus. I'll give you a great identity thing. The late Badger Bob Johnson only had one rule. There were never any curfews.

But if you got on a team bus without socks in your shoes, you aren't getting on the team bus. You are not getting on the team bus. I'm telling you. Really? Sox. Yeah. Yeah.

He wanted socks. That would never fly now. That would never fly all the guys. So I will not tell you the player because I have too much admiration, respect for the player. But we're getting on the bus to play in the Eastern Conference final in Boston, the old Boston Guard. Yeah.

And there was a player about to get on the bus. bus and he'd have socks on and badger looked at him and says nope you're not getting on the bus and he was an important player for us and the guy went back to his room and put socks on and took a cab to the rink and you know how well he played unbelievable that night playing guilty it's not just for drinking it's no socks so i'm watching you know you talked about we started this whole show about Matthew Schaefer and how well he played last night against Columbus. Yep. Think about it.

Did you see how happy those guys were for that kid? Do you see the composure that he has? So I don't think Patrick Waugh hurt the organization. I think he said a resounding message to the organization. Nobody's bigger than the brand. Nobody's bigger than the brand. You did more hosting than me. You wrapped that up perfectly.

We started with Schaefer. We ended with Schaefer. I'm just here to put the ball on the tea. I love being on with you. These shows are fun. Pierre, have a great rest of your day. What do you got, Zachie? What do you got?

Just that you, you guys were correct, by the way. I wrote it wrong of how I read it. It was with Buffalo. To Buffalo, and I wrote it wrong. So it was a game. Can I just give Zach a pump up? Sure? I want to be transparent.

So Zach text me, I don't know, about 45 minutes before the show starts. He goes, hey, Pierre. Can you come on 10 minutes early with Jeff? I'm like, yeah, 100%. I can't have enough time with Jeff. And I get on and he goes, we're having problems with your mic. We've got to fix this. That man stayed on with me.

He was so professional. We got the microphone fixed. That guy is an amazing producer. I am so grateful for his friendship and his professionalism. Thanks, Zach. Thanks a lot. You know what's great about that, here? I'll tell you what's great about that.

You read that, cue card, just as Zach wrote it. And you presented it as if it was. Spontane. Thanks, but. Thank you. We'll talk soon, Pierre,

the best. Pierre McGuire. Man, those shows are so much fun with Pierre. Again, like I tell you, I just go everywhere. And Pierre's great.

Always great stories. I had, Zach, I had never heard that Bob Johnson's story before about you can't get on the bus without socks. Do you ever have a coached like that? No. No, but it's pretty funny because I,

When he says that, I can think of numerous times where maybe I was rushing out to go to something, where I'm just like, I'll bring my socks, I'll put my shoes on and run, and then I'll deal with it later. Kind of funny to think about maybe the, you know, I don't think necessarily getting on a team bus, but if my dad held that rule, there's a few times I wouldn't be allowed in the car. That's awesome. Okay, let's finish up. We got four games on to go around the NHL this evening. Nice duster, by the way. How's that going over? with your friend she she she didn't love it the idea of it and then after it was like

yeah it's fine it's okay so i don't think she's like the happiest about it but it's around for one month i'm gonna set up a link i mean i'm gonna be raising money i've done it the last couple of years for november so do it again this year and i know you're supposed to start from scratch um i will look 12 years old for like three weeks, let's just avoid that and start with what I already have. Like, we can all agree, like, let's just skip past that. I appreciate that you doing that for everybody here at Daily Face Off on the Nation Network, so we don't have to struggle watching you grow facial hair for, for my member.

Okay, well, that's, that's okay. Listen, as long as she's cool with it, she gets, she probably gets a break for a month because she can, like, with full, with right reason and full cause, ignore you now for 30 days. The seat is powered by Fan Duel. Play your game on Fan Duel. It's the NHL season and Fan Duel is your home for all the action on the ice. From Blue Line to Bet Slip,

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Four games tonight and what is Spice in Your Chili, Zach. Four games, Penguins here on the Prime Monday Night hockey, as we talked about earlier. Yeah. Plus 152 against the Leafs, Leaves, Leaves heavily favored in this one. Canucks, Preds, which I think is going to be an interesting one, the Kiefer Sherwood factor, when they look across the ice all night and go, oh my God, we had that guy over here.

The Oilers and the Blues, and then Chicago and Seattle. Obviously, the one here for me that's standing out the most right now is the Penguins and the Leafs, because the East, so mediocre. Oh, yeah. Just all the way across, and you brought it up. You win one game, you win two games. Next thing you know, you're leading the division. Everyone's talking about this juggernaut.

It's like, what are we doing right now? Juggernaut. Who was a juggernaut? We all thought it was New Jersey. Then the quack took care of him last night. Yeah. You know what I thought you were going to say? One game.

I thought you were going to take Edmonton St. Louis because tonight is the, you know, he was back in the water. He was back on the team. but Robert Thomas you boy I know I know but he's been bouncing back and forth you know you know I've been playing like this is what I was going to say because I know he's

coming back but I keep looking I get these notifications I play fantasy hockey every day it's like Robert Thomas changed today today Robert Thomas changed out just tell me what he's playing and like I'm expecting him to come back but it's like if he's if I get the announcement like 20 minutes before the game

I wouldn't be surprised as well the other guy who's in William Nielander I was looking on Fandwell earlier today I believe it was plus 8,000 for a Nielander Hattrick that's something I might be taking a flyer on tonight Jeff

Nealander Hattrick in the return maybe gets a little fired up his scoring hasn't been there for the team I'm the guy I've got my tank top on comes back he's ready to roll amazon prime the lights are bright yeah i get it it all lines up perfect for him the the thing about this matchup for your leafies is you know who always kills toronto crosbie yeah crosbie always wrecks toronto so we'll see there's a lot of guys who do no i know but like crosbie like historically going back to like his rookies

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It's me and myself and how this is going to be fixing my mind. I do want to backer. I turned on the music. I do want to back. Yeah, I turn on the music. It's enough. I don't think you're sometimes losing. I've been on the days that we're wrong