The Shintaro Higashi Show - Competition Debrief

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Competitions are an important part of Judo as well as other grappling arts as they provide an opportunity to stress-test your skills against other practitioners. Another key benefit of competitions is that it can be used as a great learning opportunity. As a result, it is very important to "debrief" after a competition to assess what went right and wrong and learn from it. In this episode, Shintaro and Peter discuss how to process various aspects of competition experience--from the actual outcome to the feelings you have about it-- and how we can learn from it effectively. Please support us on Patreon if you can: https://www.patreon.com/shintaro_higashi_show. Any amount helps!

Hello everyone, welcome back to the Shintaro Higashi Show with Peter Yu. Today we're going to talk a little bit about competing, competition. We don't actually have a title yet. Mostly, specifically like competition, like afterwards. Like debriefing, sort of how to think about it, how to feel about it. So trigger warning, we're going to talk about feelings. Which is very important, you know. Like when you compete, a lot of emotions get wrapped up in it

oh there's definitely you're throwing yourself out there yeah so and i think it's it's a good topic to talk about because you know as the pandemic kind of wanes down a lot of competitions are starting back up a lot of people are feeling more safe yeah just this past weekend uh you know it's april 5thth Tuesday as we're recording this I don't know when this episode is coming out, but even just this past weekend. There were two major international tournaments You know all Japan weight class tournament, which is insane That just happened right Maruyama and Abe fought again. Oh Shoot what happened? I bet story missed that who are you got to look it up? Okay? Don't spoil me

Yeah, I was amazing. It was amazing. Yeah, that was super emotional what happened i bet story missed that who are you you got to look it up okay don't spoil me yeah no it was amazing it was amazing yeah that was super emotional you know if you watched maruyama vs abe fighting for that olympic slot oh they're and they had like a 27 minute overtime match one match to decide who goes to the olympics both they didn't want to give you those yeah both of them are capable of winning an olympic gold right uh-huh and they had this televised thing mid-pandemic right at the height of it yeah they didn't know throughout the entire pandemic who was gonna go and they were sitting on this like uncertainty of like am i gonna go to olympics or is this guy gonna go to olympics they sat on it for like a year and they

had one match which had overtime 27 minutes or something crazy yeah and they had a rematch at the all japan wait oh i gotta go check it out i knew that they were gonna fight but oh man i totally missed that so that happened the grand slam in anatoly anatoly anatoly yeah i don't know how to say that the grand slam and judo just happened that was spectacular and more importantly my guys competed in the pedro judo challenge on the local level oh nice nice up in boston right up in boston yes yeah so originally we're gonna send the whole team uh but you know i told everyone if there's not more than 10 people going i'm not going to go you know because it burns the whole weekend with my kid right yeah yeah yeah I said that and I was pretty upfront about it and you know five or six people

went so I was like alright good luck guys you know oh nice nice yeah and they competed at the beginner level mostly beginners man we had a guy do they have a high level yeah black belt level to oh black belt level i think is a point tournament and one of our guys gianni took third at a black belt that was pretty cool oh nice yeah he fought in two divisions he had 10 matches he fought 90 wow that's a lot i know amazing amazing but really the highlight was in the yellow and under beginner division we had three guys compete, and they took first, second, and third. Oh, nice. There were other people in it too. But they came back.

They sent me the video footage and then going over it with them. And some of them have experience. Some of them don't. So having a conversation about how we should look at this competition as a tool for self-improvement, that's where this whole idea of like, all right right let's talk about this on the podcast too oh nice so yeah what what should we first touch on um maybe like the outcome like losses and wins yeah so it's very easy okay and this is where the toxic thing like i'll go to a wrestling tournament come home my dad would be like yeah did you win or did you lose and when you ask that question right what place did you take where did you win or lose it immediately puts value on that's what matters right so it starts shaping like oh i i lost okay and then there's certain reactions that come with it right uh so that sort of becomes the

metric of success for a lot of people i won or i lost even like anytime you compete in anything did you win did you how did you do you know did you take first or second or whatever it is how many people were in the division those are sort of the general questions right but it's a very very small part of it and i want to really emphasize that But it's a very, very small part of it. And I want to really emphasize that. So the way I look at competition, this is very, very – I'm sure it's not unique to me. I'm sure a lot of people look at it this way.

But it's kind of proprietary. It's a trade secret. Yeah. I like to look at competition – it took me forever to figure this out. There's the outcome. There's the content. And then there's the feelings that come with it. Oh, feelings too. And those three parts are always at odds with each other.

What do you mean by that? Because if you go in and your goal was to try a new skill or be exposed to, you know, drop some hockey or it's skill acquisition, just, you know, some hockey or uh it's skill acquisition just you know practicing and trying out your hypothesis on someone or live testing or pressure testing whatever it is right you're going out there and you're able to execute your strategies but the outcome is that you lost okay and then you feel really bad about it because you're lost yeah now all of Now all of a sudden it's very, very difficult to look at it subjectively and look at the technical side, the actual content of the match. You see what I mean?

And of course... Because you have negative feelings towards it. You can't analytically look at it. Yeah. Yeah. And also it depends, right? If you're making an Olympic team and you have that one match, the outcome is all that matters.

Right? For instance, like the Abe versus Maruyama. That one match, the outcome, it's all that matters. Who cares what they were trying to do, all this stuff, content? That's all that counts. So depending on the level of tournament, what your goals are, those outcomes really should shift. But win, lose is one portion of it. The content of the mass is another portion of it and the feelings is the other part of it and they all work together right so how do you tell

especially the first timers how do you tell them advise them to look at all those uh three aspects of a competition so how do you feel about it generally is, you know, the first question, like how did you feel out there, right? Did you feel like you did a good job? You don't even ask the outcome as a first question? I mean, sometimes I do. It depends on who it is, you know. Sometimes, like, it's expected, you know.

If you're a green belt fighting in a white, yellow, green division, then it's like, all right, you know know i feel like they should have won right right yeah you know like how did it go is usually the question i would ask you know did you right right did you lose is like not what i how'd you feel yeah i see i see and i get it you know you have 20 guys in a competition it's like all right who won who took third who took first you know it's very easy to go there and maybe you know if you have 25 guys competing you can't have independent conversations with everybody right right but how did it go how did you feel is a lot more important than the outcome of it even though the outcome is kind of important right but a lot of these local tournaments that

you're kind of entering into it like i said you're trying to pressure test your system you're trying to get exposed to new different types of g-dog maybe at the dojo you don't experience drop san agi that much right right so for my beginners who've competed who lost to a black belt they fought in the veterans division they the yellow belts fought in two divisions i say lost to a black belt and you know i watched the match and then it's like how'd you feel about it and they were you know one of them was like oh man i'm so pissed it's like i should have finished that arm bar you know because he had him in an arm bar didn't finish it like oh it was my chance to beat the the black belt or the arm bar and like

nothing else mattered right he's angry about it he should have won you know the outcome is lost but there's a lot of other stuff in there the content that he's angry about it he should have worn you know the outcome is lost but there's a lot of other stuff in there the content that he completely oversaw because he just couldn't get over that feeling and then the outcome so you want you try to get out of that like tunnel vision yes so this is the thing like in one specific technical side of it it's like hey right first right he's leaning more toward the dominant side, right? His Uchimata is better than your Uchimata defense, and you're at a disadvantage here.

Do you see why this is a disadvantage position? Hand position's the same, but he's leaning towards in this direction. That's why you got caught. That's the lesson. That's the lesson. That's lesson number one, right? Mm-hmm.

Right, right, right. Yeah. And then fixing how he got out of that juju, why you weren't able to fix, finish that juju. Another thing. And also that guy does a drop left seinagi. You've never been exposed to drop left seinagi because there's only one or two guys at the dojo who does it and they don't do it on him. Okay? So those are three lessons right there.

On top of that, you were kind of competitive with that guy. Therefore, you're a yellow belt. You're competing competitive with this dude. You're doing something right. Keep doing those things. These are the mistakes that you need to fix. That's like four different things that you can take away from it that the person cannot see. Right?

So shaping how they feel about it was first because if he's still, oh, God damn it, I'm so pissed. Like he's never going to even hear what I have to say. Right. So the conversation started with, hey, good job. Really good job. I kept it really close with that guy. You almost have that armor. I know, you know, little tweaks. We got to fix that. Right. Here are the notes. Right. You feel good about it. You should feel good about that. No, I care about the outcome. outcome dude you went up there against the black belt that's a good thing right so now it's already reframed his mind like oh i guess i did do a good job here and now let's talk about the technical side of it these are the technical things now we got to work

on it never again should we ever get caught with a drop left right you know no because you still have to be able to be exposed to that stimulus it's like it ever happened yeah oh go ahead go ahead no like oh i was wondering yeah no go ahead no i was just wondering uh if it ever happens on like the other way like the person does really well in the competition won it all yeah and he's so he or she is so hung up on that feeling of joy that never looks for points of improvement yes that's happened to me all the time uh well i would go to a tournament and win it and then i would feel so good about myself and i'll be like oh man i'm so good i'm unstoppable i can't wait to go to the next one and my dad would say

things like hey let's go over the tape like what do like, what do we go over the tape? And I'll watch it and I'll only watch the portions where I'm successful and winning. I'm not focused on the gripping. I'm not focused on the stuff that I need to fix. I'm not even caring. I'm not even caring about like, I could have get encountered there. I almost got choked there. I got a penalty here for stepping out. I don't even see that i see i'm just looking at the portion where i'm blasted and if we had instagram back in the day i would have posted it on instagram that's right and now all of a sudden it's like my dad trying to give me constructive criticism i'm not hearing it ah shut up man i'm look how good i'm i'm

i won i won yeah yeah and i was the worst at this because when I won, it was like that. And when I lost, I felt so bad about myself that I couldn't even look at my match. So either way, it was a lose-lose. I would just go in, get matches in, get nothing out of it for years and years and years. I see. It took me a very long time to figure this out. And by the time I did figure it out it was too late i didn't make an olympic team oh no i made a world team yeah right right by the time i figured it's like

i wish i would have figured this out a little bit earlier a little earlier i see yeah because you could you could really it's like a actual data point yeah you know that it's really incredible amounts of information that you could gain from your stuff yeah so the point is that you want to tamper your emotions a little so that you can be cool-headed about the content not get hung up on the outcome well you can't completely disregard and divorce the feelings right because the feelings tell you why right you go in there and then I have a certain lens that I'm looking at the matches through but then if I talk to somebody and they're very very upset it's like okay why are they upset

and a lot of the times you know the most common one is it's because they have such strong like I'll give you for my example because I associated myself with judo excellence for many years right and I identified with being good at judo if I lost it was not that was no good all the time I spent doing it was worthless and useless

I got identity crisis almost. Yeah, so it was an attack on me personally on myself on my just existence period oh man, yeah, yeah, so That was very closely tied with the outcome win or lose. Right. And the content didn't matter as much for me. I see. I see. Right. So, okay. How do we fix that sort of thinking? And a lot of it was shaped because of the way, you know, your environment obviously. Yeah yeah no one's like innately like

super in tune with the stuff and super introspective most people are not especially with the stress of like competing someone trying to take your head off and you know break your arm right it's very difficult yeah so you need coaches so young too yeah so young you know and you need coaches and my father cared you know essentially about. It was like going out there and doing your best. And for him, best was associated with intensity, being aggressive, right? Not fighting scared. So like any like retreating ideas, no. Go forward, pressure forward.

That was the Kukushikan motto forever, for decades and decades. I see. I see. Right? So like, and it didn't work. It worked to a certain level but after a while it doesn't work right be bigger be stronger be faster train harder than everyone get in their face be aggressive and just break them right and like if you go do that consistently every time like you'll freaking you know yeah dan gable he's kind of like that, no? Yeah, Dan Gable. There's a lot of wrestling and grappling philosophies that follow that sort of style, that mentality.

And it works for a lot of people. If you look at the massive, the big, strong athletes, the super physical athletes, I was not that guy. Right, so you had to be more smart about it. Yes, I'm physically strong, but at that time, fighting in that division, division all these things there were a lot of other skill-based stuff that i could have improved but it was very difficult for me to and i did improve those things but yeah within the context of this competition stuff right you i see so that's when you develop this uh kind of systemized system systematic way of looking at things so um so then why so after going through that like would you what it i'm curious to hear what people thought like your students um what did did everyone or everyone receptive to this idea was

was anyone too like emotionally down or up so this is the thing like i'm not trying to sell them the idea right so this is the way i see it therefore it influences my coaching style which is about hey let's reframe this thing that happened here right i see for instance like it was they fought each other some of these matches you know so okay yeah so like the guy that lost it's like hey man you did actually the match is actually a For instance, they fought each other some of these matches. Oh, okay. Yeah. So the guy that lost, it's like, hey, man, the match is actually a lot closer than you think. There are situations where that other person is better than you, Nwaza.

His Nwaza offense is better than Nwaza defense because he's almost submitted you many times. So that's an area of improvement but on the stand-up portion it seems because of the outcome that you got slammed that it you guys would be very very different but a lot of the stuff that leads to the outcome is because you're making certain mistakes you're reaching for that asoto or you're just attacking too much you're not really setting up your stuff you're not really hiding your attacks right, and the guy is just kind of waiting and also, you know not to make excuses for that person The bat was very slippery at this tournament super slippery Ha ha I say that. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, so if you're going with someone that's like a counter guy attacking puts

Yeah, the mat super slippery and you're kind of like overextending yourself It's a recipe for fall into your straight to your back and throw on your cell phones So it's like the outcome doesn't really reflect actually how close you guys are in skill i guess it gets amplified in judo because the judo results are pretty binary binary there's no like gradients of like points like wrestling does yes yes that's one or zero yeah yeah so that is one way where it's like it's a lot closer than you think let's look at the technical side of it you know these are the things you could tweak in order to catch up to this person or potentially even beat them yeah so you shouldn't feel bad about it you went out there you did your very best like that's good good job right therefore now all

of a sudden the feelings of like oh, shoot, maybe he had these feelings. Because he's not like, oh, I feel bad about myself. He's not one of those guys. Even if he did feel bad about himself, he's not going to freaking tell me. Right, right. So I'm immediately preemptively shaping how he feels about this. And it's true. I'm not bullshitting this at all.

Right, right. Once I'm having this conversation, little by little he feels okay okay good about it and i'm shifting the focus from not from the outcome or sort of right but i'm focusing it on the technical side and then giving him perspective right so now he's much more receptive to the actual feedback the analytics of the match and then we worked on and i'm not specifically just trying to coach him i'm also telling the other of the match and then we worked on it and i'm not specifically just trying to coach him i'm also telling the other guy the same thing and i'm actually giving him the advice for each of them in front of each other so they can like build up yeah yeah pushing each other making each other better and you know and said hey it's very very good that they could kind of push each other in the gym this way you know this is the freaking olympics right like it's very very good that they could kind of push each other in the gym this way you know this is the freaking olympics right like it's if you guys are fighting for an olympic slot it would be

different but like at this point you're competing against each other to make each other better so that ill will and the negative feelings that we got to try to address that you know but there is none already that from what i see from the outside so i don't have to address it so it's not like hey guys listen to this system that i have for, you know, looking at matches. But the way I'm talking to them, it's based off of this philosophy. I see. So that's what a coach could do after the competition with his or her students. Yeah. So I guess on the student side, it seems like you want to kind of temper your emotions and i think based on what

you talked about just now it has a lot to do with the motivation behind going to a competition like how do you are you going there to win or are you going to there to learn or improve like i think if you have the right reason to go there and after the competition you'll feel less like hung up on the outcome emotionally like your identity wouldn't as wouldn't be as worked with the judo outcome and the competition outcome yeah so what what uh what kind of attitude should we have what kind of of reasons should we have as hobbyists, beginners, or even as competitors, serious competitors too? I think it's a combination of a lot of things. And it's never really like, oh, I'm going just for validation because I need to feel like I'm better than everybody in this black belt division.

It's not just one thing. It has to be a multitude of many things. And you have to look at it Each one of those things like kind of like a lever right and like a spectrum and say okay This is this this is that you know, I'm going because I want to skill level up I heard this Canadians gonna be there. I want to get a matching with him, you know Oh that guy's number three in the country. I'm gonna try to go over there, you know, I want to try You know this system. I want to finish this guy in the Waza because I know he's the

most weak. Then you also gain experience from just being exposed to that stimulus of being in a stressful environment. So many different things come into play before you go into it. But the emotions, we're talking about post-competpetition those emotions really kind of tell you why the why like you're feeling that way if you deep dive into it you know i see i see yeah maybe i didn't answer your question i'm just kind of rambling no i think it means that you can't basically you can't just force yourself to have a good reason i think you what you're saying is you have to yeah you can have a lot

of these reasons but then after the fact you have to really look into how you feel yeah and that will tell you the real reason and then through that introspection you can kind of start having better reasons or more like positive reasons to go to the competition so that after, you know, in the future, your emotions will be more, like, are expressed in a more healthy way. Yeah. The more you know about yourself, the more mindful you could be, right? Right. So here's another example.

Like, you go into a competition, you're super nervous, you're anxious, and then you just freeze up and you can't perform. That's sort of a thing you know and it's like why is that happening and then talking about it with them through that is important so now all of a sudden that competitor the goal is to get enough exposure to the competition so they can sort of work through those emotions and execute okay so whether or not the outcome is win or lose or whatever it is the goal of that person competing is to overcome the fear of failure overcome the scared you know the anxiety and all this stuff okay so now once we're able to do enough competitions hey how did you feel about it hey how

did you right then you could sort of be like you know start little by little shaping them and then overcome one obstacle so that's the reason why this person should do it wow right sounds like uh you sound like a psychologist already i mean it was my undergrad degree oh yeah right right that's right only because my best friend was a psych major did you like it it's just like you're pretty good have a good neck at it i don't know yeah well yeah that thing um yeah it's just i never i didn't expect you to go into this emotional side of things uh when you told me about this topic but yeah i think that's very important personal going out there and you're training hard and you know you're walking in and if you're a man you're walking in against another man and you know the outcome is this man is better than you at this thing that you really care about right and it's like it's a huge blow to your ego with self-esteem all this

stuff you know if you frame it that way right frame it that way yeah the worst is like if you competed at a really high level and then you're competing at a lower level and everyone's like oh man chintaro's gonna blast through these guys because this is only like a national level tournament. And then you don't. Oh. And that, boy, is that like because you care about what other people think, you know, even though you should care a little bit, you know, it shouldn't be your whole identity. And now it's very, very difficult to look past that and talk about the technical side and you're thinking about this and that and did I execute my strategy properly?

Why didn't I see these openings? Why didn't I force the waza? A lot of the time, sometimes it's like, hey, I got gassed. I lost wind and I was tired and this guy beat me in the last minute when I was sucking wind. It's like, why? Why is that? Was it because i didn't warm up properly right there's a lot of different reasons and it's hard to look at that reason if you're just like oh man i'm such a fellow yeah yeah which is sort of like you know we're all prone to that kind of a thing you know oh yeah of course

yeah yeah so being introspective being mindful know, looking at it from an outcome, content and feelings perspective, and then taking a deep dive in each one of those things separately and also together as a whole. I think really is like sort of the winning formula for like, you know, self-improvement, really. Right, right. Yeah. Interesting, right? Yeah, it's very interesting because I'm thinking about back to my competition history and I kind of unknowingly I kind of went through that. What kind of did, went through this process you just described because it was actually with Eugene.

So remember when we were, so we're all preparing for the national side and then there was a New York State Championship. Yeah. So we went there as like a prep competition. And I played Eugene and lost. I got my first score and then he, and later I kind of got gassed. And then he, yeah. yeah and then you I could have just said because he Eugene was I was like and probably he said still is my rival I guess in the judo sense like that's very reliable we're all about the same size and it's place you know all that

and then so I was feeling a little down but then I didn't want to because he's also my friend so I didn't want to have like oh my god you know ill feelings about it so I put brush that apart and then I like try to I actually started going to the gym more because I wanted to I didn't want to gas out yeah and I remember like I went to the same gym as Eugene's mom and the Eugene's mom apparently like reported back to you that i was working out or something doing sprints yeah and then later we had this event um the fundraising event of super fights and then you put me against eugene and that one i mean it was a dog dog fight too like but you always do and i that one i ended up winning by like a yuko or something yeah so i felt good about that because i thought i got i could i

i don't sometimes i don't have the nerves to overcome this but then when i did and yeah eugene we got we need a we know another rematch to settle this yeah if you're listening yeah but i think there's something like that yeah definitely yeah so i get it you know uh that's great that's great i love that you know i love that you know and it's tough when you're competing with someone in the gym because it's every if you lose you go in it's a reminder oh this guy beat me last time i know it's kind of nerve it could be nerve-wracking but i guess it's the if you want if you frame it differently i'll just like oh i'll just use this opportunity to you know work on my weaknesses which shows my stamina yeah stamina is a little bit misleading though right oh yeah you can do all the sprints you know in the world right and if your opponent's able to burn your gas when you don't want to burn your gas and redline you right that's the way to

exhaustion you know if you look at arm wrestling you know if you go too hard too soon and you just like hold off hold off and let them burn through their tank and then you go we're like forcing somebody to exert too much when they need to be recovering during that time period like those things matter so a lot of it does still come down to like the technical side of the match like pacing right right when you're getting tired you know third minute in you know pacing and kind of setting back on the gripping and just grip a little bit defensively make them do a bad attack force their walls and just put top pressure on them so they're burning gas right those little things really kind of change the

game on that you know right but strategically right so like that's one of those things that you know i wasn't like probably you know back then it right so like that's one of those things that you know i wasn't like probably you know back then it's a little bit different but like what i would have said to you was like all right you know gas is important but spending all of a sudden now three hours in the gym is that really going to help you let's look at the technical side of the stuff right so a lot of that stuff is also emotionally driven the outcome was that you lost to eugene you felt very bad therefore how do you mollify that negative feeling work freaking harder because i need to work in the gym and you're sprinting and you're thinking about it and that's i commonly did that right i did that you know i felt like oh i lost i need to get

stronger i'm all of a sudden dead lifting like crazy and you know but it's like is that really going to help me succeed in beating this guy the next time? It actually does come down to the content of the match, right? Pacing of the match, grip fighting. And what are Eugene's abilities, weaknesses, and drilling and shaping your judo for specifically that guy. It's really words. So that's an example of how like emotion can kind of drive you into the sort of the wrong place. I see.

I see. You know, like so many times I've come back from a tournament loss, you know, cried myself, you know, and then going out and then running 10 miles. I see. Right. And just like working hard. I got to work hard. And that was emotionally driven.

But is it the right thing? No. Because ran 10 miles I feel terrible the next day my knees hurt now I'm not training as hard on Monday it was mr. right miss directed yeah the motions kind of put me in the wrong place I'd say so it's like I guess yeah you know I'm not like shitting on your coach oh no I think that that makes total sense because I because of my emotions

I completely forgot about the content like why I got the first score but like why I couldn't keep the advantage

going you know yeah maybe I should have attacked more or instead of trying to play defense throughout and then ride it out uh for the last three minutes or something yeah yeah maybe

maybe i don't really remember the match yeah i think it was uchima or something and then i got a yuko or yeah and then i i after that i would play d i think i was i remember it being too defensive and then eugene was coming at me and yeah yeah so if you would have forced newaza and then created burning time for every exchange for newaza right you could preserve your energy a little bit because you're also a top person so a top person works a little bit less right so like sit there move with them sit the movement as opposed to just like stalling on your feet you know so that's a specific skill that you could have worked on after that to prepare for the next one you know right yeah that's a good point and then so like having these kinds of conversations good because now and then a lot of people are not receptive to this kind of

constructive criticism model you know because right so then then also now, why is that? And then addressing that and then... Yeah, you got to be coachable too. You got to be coachable. Some people are not coachable. That's another attribute. And a lot of it, it's so easy to say, I lost because I ran out of gas and people focus on that.

But it's always a combination of many different things. So it's like, are they receptable you know receptable to this yeah yeah that's kind of like how i look at sort of this thing now as a coach especially i wasn't very coachable i think yeah you know and a lot of feelings you know when you're doing the judo with your father. Yeah, so it shapes you. The way you talk to your athletes, the way your father – father is different, right? Also because there's a little bit of – it follows you home.

A little bit of competition, you're driving home and you get home and there's feelings left over from that. If you compete and you're calling your dad and it's like, hey, did you win? Right. It's like, oh, that's all that this person values, right? It's like hey did you win um right right it's like oh that's all that this person values right it's like yeah you know then you do talk about it but it's hard to take constructive criticism from your father yeah it's just your family so you know a lot of complex emotions involved there yeah dude i've been saying like what do you know about judo since i was like eight the least coachable you know what i mean i see you know it's hard right especially like if you were just like you know wrestling on the couch and cuddling and you know getting ice cream and

all of a sudden he's like all right guy you know if i can do tile and then it's like wait a minute dude you were just like freaking we're just hanging out two seconds ago now you're my coach you know it's hard to distinguish and have those things uh-'s another challenge judo family judo well you know coaching your kid yeah you gotta have some you know nuanced thing yeah cool all right well i think we covered a lot um uh hopefully i think uh a lot as a lot more people are competing nowadays uh hopefully this episode will be helpful to you guys um anything else that we missed uh nope just join our patreon have conversations about us and if you want to you know talk about this stuff with me you know people send me like videos of their competition all the time on instagram and you know like i don't have time to take a deep dive and do this kind of a thing all the time i just don't right so a lot

of the times it's very basic you know like hey that tai toshi was nice hey this is this you know and i'm sorry if that's the case but you know i get so many videos of people competing i just want to say you know i'm sorry i don't have time for all of it. Well, one good thing about supporting us on Patreon is that you can post it and it's not just us. It's a lot of good judokas on there and you can get feedback from a lot of different people with different perspectives. So that's another advantage. Yes, that's for sure. Yeah. All right.

Well, thanks for listening and stay tuned for the next episode. Yep. Thank you, guys.